Today on The Breakfast Club, Ty Dolla $ign Talks New Album 'TYCOON', Signing Leon Thomas, Fatherhood, Kanye, EZMNY Records. Listen For More!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Every day a waiting click your ass up the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
You don't finish for y'all done morning.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Everybody's d J n V Jess hilarious, Charlamagne the guy
we are the breakfast Club. Lon LaRosa is here as well.
We got a special guest in the building, Tie Dollar Sign.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
What's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
How are you feeling?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Plus black and Holly favored new album Tycoon coming?
Speaker 5 (00:23):
That's how you're feeling, yeaes, sir, Tycoon on the way
ten seventeen.
Speaker 6 (00:28):
What do you think defines the tie dollar sign sound
right now? Because a lot of people say you've helped
shape like the modern R and B signd So what
what what defines the tie dollar sign sound right now?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Just taking your time in finding the right you know
what I mean? Like, damn, that's a question right there.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
That's what interviews are four times a questions.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
That's a good question. What is the sound ship? The
shit fucking greatness? There we go?
Speaker 7 (01:02):
Okay, at what point did you realize that you had
more to offer the world. I saw something where you
talked about like, you know, this album being for people
who you know, you dream, but you know it's more
to you.
Speaker 8 (01:14):
When did you realize that about till sign?
Speaker 5 (01:16):
I realized that like early, early, but especially when I
got my first job. My first job was when I
was like sixteen, and it was at a subway sandwiches,
and uh, I was in there going through the you
know when they teach you everything, and I didn't come back.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I went one day and that was it.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
I can't do this, it's not for me.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I'm about to go make music and figure it out.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Is that why you am I getting this ready? That
where you met like YG and everybody back then?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
No, no, no, you met me someway sandwich. Now I
was much later though.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Okay, why tycoon?
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Why is that the name of the tycoon? Because that's
where I'm staying up and into my greatness. It's a
it came from a Japanese word great lord, and you
know over here in English it's like top of your game,
top of your business. I did the artist thing. I
started the record label Easy Money. We signed our first artist,
(02:17):
Leon Thomas. He's now Leon Thomas.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
I don't think you get enough credit for that, like
people like people mention it, but it's like no, that's
time that was not artists, which says a lot. Like
I always say, you know, you become a true legend
when you're.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Tree bands fruit Exactly. Yeah, man, So shout out to Leon.
I'm a champagne owner. Now it's the champagne. What else
we got? I'm about to drop a documentary. Yeah, my daughter.
Let's talk about my daughter. My daughter's twenty years old.
Now she's at Pepperdine getting her master's.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Wow, shout out to her.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Man, that's what life is about.
Speaker 6 (02:55):
Talking about in real fruits when it comes to Leon, right, like.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
How did they meet? First of all, how do y'all
how did you sign Leon? What do y'all meet?
Speaker 5 (03:03):
We met at this studio session like during the pandemic.
My homie uh A Lee was like, Yo, you got
to check this out, and he played me this song,
that California Cation song that we It's called Love Jones now,
but the first it was Californication and then it's Love
Jones on his first album, And really I was supposed
(03:24):
to put that out, but I didn't put it out,
and then he was like, I'm about to use it
on my shit.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Man.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
We ended up signing on me and Sean Baron because
we always talked about making a label together. Sean Baron
is the guy who signed me to Atlantic in twenty twelve,
and now we got a label together.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
So it's a blessing. Man.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
You know a lot of artists they'll see another artist
with that type of talent and they'll basically like just
take the whole or take the energy for themselves. What
made you say, nah, man, I want you to go fly.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
On your own because it just reminded me of myself
like at that time, just being great with people not
knowing what to do or know what I mean. So
I'm like, Yo, we got the label, would you be down?
He's like, what, let's go and we figured it out.
Speaker 7 (04:08):
What instincts do you use in business that you gather
from music or vice versa that help you be good
at what you do?
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Uh, It's it's a total different thing. But in business,
I just it's all about getting the right team, you
know what I'm saying. And I got a great team,
So I just want to shout out to them because
I couldn't do it all alone for sure.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
How do you balance being a collaborator behind a sound
but then being an artist in front of it, because
you know, you work and produce for people everybody, Right,
So how do you know when to just be a
collaborator behind the sound, but then switching ow to do
the album and being an artist in front of the son.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
Yeah, when it comes to music, I just like give
it what it needs, you know what I mean. I
don't try to overdo it. It's like if I'm if
I feel like it just needs my feature. Cool, if
it's my song, it's a whole different thing. I mean,
it's the intention.
Speaker 9 (05:02):
And you're talking about that.
Speaker 10 (05:03):
You're also dropping a documentary Still, Free TC, what is
that about? Give us a little bit about I know
you don't want to spoil it.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
Free TC is basically going to show you my whole
There's some parts that are not in there, but it's
basically my whole thing from a kid all the way
up until now.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
The whole trajectory like.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
Deeper than any other interview has went or any other
any other way. You guys see me out there for sure,
that's on the way. It's basically done. I scored the
whole thing, and shout out to the whole team that
put that together as well.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Who pushes you the most as far as creative is it?
Your artist is it.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Another artist that you're in, whether it's YG or whoever
it may be, who pushes you the most to say, now,
I could do better than that.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I think I pushed myself the hardest.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Just from just for Karen and wanted to go to
the next level. And it's just like, all right, that's cool,
but what can we do different?
Speaker 1 (06:00):
All right?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
That sounds like, you know I've heard this before. What
can we do? You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (06:07):
To take it to the next level. I get real
bored with music, you know what I mean. It's like
how many songs come out of day? You know what
I'm saying. So it's like, what can we do to
make it like interesting? You know what I'm saying? What's
the wild factor?
Speaker 9 (06:18):
What's there? Inspiration?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Right?
Speaker 10 (06:19):
Because your voice is like timeless on anything. Anything you
put your voice on, it makes it a hit, right.
I love your vocals, love your voice.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Appreciate that.
Speaker 9 (06:29):
Who is inspiration?
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Inspiration? Tons?
Speaker 5 (06:32):
It could be We can name back in the day
artists all the way up until now. But I like Prince,
I like di'angelo, I like Joe to See, I like Himrell,
I like all the greatest singers, Stevie Wonder, Stevie Wander
is my favorite male singer ever. I could just then
(06:52):
there's rap, then there's like house music, then there's rock music.
Then there's tons of things that can inspire me.
Speaker 9 (06:58):
We just love music.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Sure you remember the first that you want? The record
you ever heard?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Or Stevie Wonder record. Ah, maybe isn't she lovely?
Speaker 1 (07:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I don't know if that's the first.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
But that's the one that you felt like you did.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
That's just what I thought of right now when you
say you can hear it?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Did you grow up singing in church?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
No? I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
I didn't really want people to know I could sing
back then. I didn't really like all the way know
how to sing back then, but it was in me.
But I was playing bas in church though.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
For sure. Yeah, when did you first start singing?
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I first started singing when I was a kid, but
like publicly what was her name? What was her name?
Speaker 5 (07:43):
That was really my pops that got me into singing,
because y'all know my pops. He did music as well.
He still does music to this day. He just sent
me this video of him playing somewhere playing trumpet. But uh, yeah, man,
it's just it's just something that I've always loved and
I get to make money off of it, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 9 (08:02):
Why don't you want people to know you could sing?
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Like?
Speaker 9 (08:04):
What was that about?
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I don't know. It was just I just didn't feel comfortable.
I guess it was some shy shit.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I was easier, it was easier to just play an
instrument or Yeah.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
When you look at our R and B is evolved.
What do you think missing from the genre right now?
Speaker 2 (08:19):
What's missing from the genre right now? And R and
B is uh? Other subjects? M hmm, it's like everybody
just in like black music period, it's like.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
The same subjects, you know what I'm saying. I think
we should start just talking about other things, like regular life,
going to do LAUNDRYGGA, going to the.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Grocery stuff, regular ship.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
When you're listening to country songs that you listen to
just all other genres, people are down to talk about,
you know what I'm saying, Other stuff, regular life stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
No, that's interesting because when people think R and B,
you automatically think love you did girls, But like what
is you can just sing about a good.
Speaker 10 (09:01):
Day and it's relatable. It's relatable. So that's how you
always running people over.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
So you're saying you got them type of songs on Tycoon.
Speaker 10 (09:11):
Yeah, right, So what can we expect on Tycoon A
bunch of the same song.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
No, it's not, man, it's crazy. Tycoon is crazy. You're
gonna get the You're gonna get the party, You're gonna
get the love. You're gonna get the uh my type
of love. You're gonna get the you know, real life.
You know what I'm saying, what's.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Your type of love? Time? Because you just said you shy?
Speaker 10 (09:32):
Nah?
Speaker 5 (09:33):
No, no, no, no, I said I was Mine may
not be like everybody else's, but you're gonna get my
point of view. So stay stay tuned ten seventeen.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
When you talk about soul, right, like, like, what is
soul mean to you? Is it the sound? Is it
the feeling? Is it the truth behind the music?
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Yeah, it's definitely the truth. It's the intention. Is it's
the blackness all that?
Speaker 1 (09:56):
M hm?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (09:59):
So at this point with the the last the last
thing that we said switching gears, the last thing that
we saw with you and Kanye, right, where are y'all
right now?
Speaker 8 (10:08):
Today? Is there? Like, what's your relationship like today.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Six seven six, You couldn't have been shocked when he
when he came.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Shocked.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
Yeah, Well, you know what I always tell people, if
you want to see how somebody's eventually gonna treat you,
watch how they treat it us.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, eventually it's gonna be your turn. Yeah, I mean
I didn't six seven bro.
Speaker 9 (10:42):
I love Vultures one though, Thank you me too.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I thought that was a great album. Had a lot
of fun making it too.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Do you think the world knows your full story yet?
Speaker 5 (10:54):
Uh, there's there's been some pieces. But that's why I'm
glad I finally got to shoot this documentary of free
TC on the way.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Then you really get it. You're you're really like feel me,
feel me? You feel me?
Speaker 6 (11:07):
Like, yeah, when the when the world knows your voice
but not your full story, does that ever feel isolating?
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Like you alone?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Nah? Because uh, what I put out was the music.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
What I wanted people to know was the music gotcha
And then now it's like, all right, cool, I'll give
you a little bit more.
Speaker 9 (11:27):
When did you record?
Speaker 5 (11:28):
We're actually lucky that it went this way because I
see how it goes with other people, you know, what.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Did you care about the bullshit before they care about exactly?
Speaker 9 (11:38):
We're good, all right? Cool? When did you record racks
with Tory Lanees and Loder uh ship a minute ago? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah, but just rebound them.
Speaker 8 (11:52):
And what about Tycoon with Baby in future?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Oh you know about that? Yeah, we just did that recently.
Speaker 8 (12:02):
So the studio, No, I was gonna say all not
all in the same studio.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Not all in the same studio. Nah, mhm.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
You don't like doing interviews, he does not, And it's okay.
You don't like doing interviews with y'all.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
How long you've been doing each other, you're comfortable, like, oh,
you know, it's only one show.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
You know you can't I'm like, what, nigga, it's regular.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
But if you can just do the music, you'd rather
just do the music.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Nah, because we gotta do this part. People want to know,
people want to know what's up, you know what I'm saying.
And it's like, I don't mind. It's all a part
of the job. I don't mind eating right, working out,
waking up, fucking not sleeping. It's way more than just music,
you know what I'm saying. So if you thought you
was just gonna do music. Good luck, my nigga.
Speaker 6 (12:54):
Is it easier to do it now since you are
like such an established artist though, like people do know
tie down?
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Yeah, Now, I wouldn't say it's easier now. I say
we had to go through so much to get to
this point, and now I would want to say it's
on airplane mode.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
But it's still motherfucking you know. It's like that too
when you.
Speaker 7 (13:17):
Say you had to go through so much, was it
because your sound was so new for a lot.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
Of people or yeah, just think of it like this. Man,
my shit didn't boom until I was twenty seven. I've
been making music since I was like nine years old. Wow,
you know, so thank God for that. And I'm forty now.
What keeps you grounded?
Speaker 6 (13:37):
When fame and ego and chaos feel like it's just
part of the industry rhythm?
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Like yeah, I mean, I just stay doing me and
not being on bullshit when other people be on bullshit, laugh,
do whatever you gotta do, scroll next.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
But I stayed doing me. You know what I'm saying.
I'm about my shit. I'm bout my business.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
I didn't know you had a twenty year old Yeah. Wow,
So how's that been like?
Speaker 2 (14:02):
You know me.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
I'm just saying, growing up in the industry, you always
clearly had a different purpose if you.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Knew I had a daughter though, right or no. That's
the thing about these interviews. You know what I'm saying.
Some people don't know and I've been knowing you forever,
so yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
But I mean twenty of the big age.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
I mean, she was nine and now she's twenty. That's
how it comes.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
That should be quick though, Like I remember, my mom
used to always say, like how fast life goes and
you don't realize it until that's real.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Ship.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
For me, it was like after the pandemic. It's like
when you were going through that pandemic, it was one thing,
and then after it, even the music industry I feel
like just changed.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
It was like a whole switch up.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
You know what I'm saying, good a bad, good in
some ways, bad in some ways.
Speaker 10 (14:56):
How does somebody get to know you if they're dating you,
how do you How do you just.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Got communication and being around every day? That's how you
get to know me?
Speaker 9 (15:05):
Okay, I just wanted to know because you ain't giving
us ship.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
That's why I'm want me to give you.
Speaker 10 (15:11):
No, no, no, you're just a man of very few words.
So I'm like, you know what, how would it be
like dating him? Like I wonder if if she finds out,
if does it take her like years to find out?
Speaker 5 (15:20):
You're gonna find out everything first day, first couple of weeks.
I would just said, we just said. I like transparency.
I like you to know what's up. I don't like surprises,
and I don't like playing with people, and I don't
like people playing with me. So if if you funk
with it, let's let's see what we're gonna do.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
You don't be telling these girls everything, and I'll.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
Be telling them everything real, I'll be telling them everything,
and they know each other dying.
Speaker 10 (15:45):
I was about to say, because we was talking about
the old cam Newton thing, and do you have to
know a girl's body?
Speaker 5 (15:57):
County the count I don't know what are they really
going to tell me?
Speaker 10 (16:03):
It's the question or if they've ever slept with anybody
else in industry that you may rub elbows.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Where you may be met question.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
That is a question, I asked, And I will tell
you if we walk into a room and oh yeah,
just so.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
You know you know what I mean?
Speaker 9 (16:17):
Gotcha?
Speaker 2 (16:18):
No, surprises, no surprises.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
And are you willing to stay with a girl or
she been with like a few of the homies.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
Stay with I don't know a few of the homies
is crazy. But you know what's funny, man, It's like
I've run into a couple and it'd be a couple. Yeah,
you know it's happened more than one time where oh yeah,
well him him or him him and him or maybe.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Can you take that serious though relationship?
Speaker 5 (16:50):
Say it be fucked up because you already like him
by the time you find out they be like.
Speaker 10 (16:54):
Damn, But you can't take that back though it was
before you.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
You try to, you try to think of it like.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
In your side every time you see the homie, but.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
And you walk off, you look back and you see
him in the other honey like.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
RB nigga think he doing something?
Speaker 9 (17:16):
Damn you?
Speaker 8 (17:19):
I mean your R and B. But it's like a
different type of R and B.
Speaker 7 (17:22):
Are you like an emotional person in a relationship and
that gives you for your music too?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Or yeah, I can be sure, I could definitely be emotional.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
How much of that comes?
Speaker 6 (17:36):
How much of that comes from your own personal highs
and lows?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Though?
Speaker 6 (17:41):
What do you mean by that the emotion, the emotion
that you put in music. How much of that comes
from your own personal.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
In my music?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Yeah, some of it's personal. Some of it's like if
I'm doing a song with a writer, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Whatever, But I.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Still put my my passion into it, you know, I
still put my my whole thing into it.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
What's the last thing you looked that online about yourself?
And laugh?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Last thing I looked at online about myself? Then laughed?
His niggas calling me jar Jar Binks.
Speaker 8 (18:12):
He calls me that.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I didn't know who jar Jar Binks was before this.
Speaker 8 (18:17):
And then how did you feel like when you saw him?
Speaker 5 (18:20):
Well, when you see the one picture from the or video,
the way my hair was, oh man, and then you
put it next to jar Jar Binks is actually hilarious
like this, it's funny.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
You didn't laugh when they said you was on on
screen kissing the man.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Okay, see this nigga romany man. That's the homie. He
from Brazil.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
This is how he does all the homies, like, oh,
what's and we told him like yo, he didn't actually
kiss me, bro if you really look close. But yeah,
so what nigga. I had a fish in that shirt
on nigga. That sh it was sexy as and your
bitch was loving it about that.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
Yeah, yeah, that used to be regular fish that back
in then.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Like I forgot what type of shirt that ship was,
but that she was expensive too, and I like it.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
So he was the jamaking shirt back in the day.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
It was did you have Did you have to explain
that to anybody? Though?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I don't ever have to explain ship.
Speaker 8 (19:20):
You don't say.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
You had to laugh though.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
It was funny. I definitely called that nigga like, bruh, See,
I told your stupid ass, we don't even That's not
how it is out here. We don't do that.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
What do you say?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
He was like, man, I'm gonna be me every time,
Like you know, I ain't got well this nigga, well
he's married and ship.
Speaker 9 (19:40):
But yeah, what's your favorite favorite collaboration?
Speaker 2 (19:46):
That your favorite collaboration I ever made is a miracle
on my first album Free TC and I was with
my brother uh TC d log my sister was singing
on their everybody I like those like family, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 8 (20:04):
That's what's I saw you say? That is this album?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Right?
Speaker 8 (20:07):
You said it's perfect for shrooms.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Nah, I hate shrooms.
Speaker 8 (20:12):
An interview cap that you did during the.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Media room when I said what tycoon.
Speaker 8 (20:18):
I thought it was Tycoon?
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah, no, no, no, that must have been wrong. Nigga.
Speaker 8 (20:25):
Again, I'm looking at it right here, it's posted. Is
it a live interview? But you know, maybe the.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Back back in the day.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
Okay, shrooms, it can be fun people live, but if
a bad thing happens on shrooms, it's that same energy
of the greatness reverse. So I forgot what song it was.
I think it was motion, like this song right before
Vultures that I put out. I was going to do
(20:57):
radio interviews up and down California. Start off in the Bay,
drive down. It's just me, the red from Atlantic and
the driver and I'm like, you know what, I'm about
to take one of these little corners of this chocolate bar.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Go. Do these interviews be a funny ass? Nigga? Like,
have all the energy you feel me early morning? All
the shit?
Speaker 5 (21:17):
It worked well. I went and started and did my interviews.
It was going crazy, just having fun. Then we get
back in the car and I'm looking at the phone
and the homies just like, well, I actually talked to
my homie the day before and he was in the
hospital and I was supposed to go see him the
next day. I had to go do these interviews, and
my plan was as soon as I got back to
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LA I was going to go to the hospital.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
But on the drive down.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
They said he passed away while I'm on mushrooms in
the backseat by myself and nobody to talk to. And
it's just like ah yeah, and it made me just
like never want to fuck with that shit ever again.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Sorry.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, long lived my brother big why yeah ship mm hmm.
Speaker 9 (22:03):
I got something.
Speaker 10 (22:04):
I was reduced soon as I went on. No, you
never did the actual plant. That was just a see chocolate.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
I thought about that part too, that was the chocolate one.
And back in the day when it was the actual plant,
yeah it was. I had way better times. So I
don't know all that.
Speaker 9 (22:20):
All that candy ship, No you need that.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Maybe it was that.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yeah, yeah, I didn't know the story was gonna be dark.
If I know it's gonna be.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
The trip, you know what I mean, Maybe there's like that,
Maybe there's true. Maybe we just kept somebody off of
doing drugs, you feel.
Speaker 9 (22:38):
Me, Yeah, for sure, definitely especially the chocolate.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
You you you owned your publishing, right, Yeah, you sold
it in what twenty eighteen?
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I think I sold some of it some of it.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
Yeah, tell people the importance of owning your publisher and
being able to do that.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
Yeah, it's very important because you could sell it shut up,
or you could keep it and just gain more wealth,
gain more wealth and sell one day.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
It's just like any business. Right you start a fashion
like a whatever, a clothing thing or a food thing
or whatever, a car company. The goal is build that
ship all the way up and then sell it move
to the next business.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Right, So you know, niggas don't be understanding that.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Though it's crazy, it's very simple Mathough, guys.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
What what made you think long term?
Speaker 2 (23:23):
That early though?
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Because a lot of people selling publishing out the gate?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
What made you?
Speaker 5 (23:28):
I really felt like this selling the publishing thing is
a newer thing that I started hearing about. I didn't
used to hear about it back in the day. Like
over the last four years, I've been hearing about people
selling the publishing. So luckily my catalog is crazy, so
I was able to, you know, stack up and do
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a whole start a whole new business.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
When you think about technology and AI and how it's
changing music.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
What excites you and worries you about the future.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
What worries me is the laziness of people. Right.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
It's like, now that we have cell phones, niggas don't
remember numbers. Maybe that's not important, you know what I
mean no more, But back in the day, you have
to remember numbers, you have to remember directions, you have to.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Remember all the shit. Fucking I'm sure niggas in school
go right to the phone for everything instead of actually
using their brains. So it's gonna make people lazier. But
at the same time, it's going to create new sounds
and new shit that we didn't have before.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
You know, what do you think about you know, like
they said, as an artist that somebody designed, Yeah, I
had I think a number one R.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
And B record or a record where they don't actually
need the artists. You basically are the producer.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
You create that artist.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
You hate the sound, you create the song. Yeah, you
gotta worry about manager.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
You ain't got to worry about glam team, you ain't
got to worry about security.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
You create.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
Yeah, I think it's uh, I think it's fucking cool
for whoever figured it out and it's getting paid off
of it. But I'm curious to see how the show
is gonna go. You know what I'm saying, How the
fuck you're gonna pull that off? But if you could
do that and game fans, I'm I'll give another congrats
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to whoever figures it out. But uh, you know, to
a person that spends their life learning their craft and
and going hard. You know, don't don't let that shit
discourage you, man, keep going, you know what I'm saying,
because I still respect motherfuckers. We really know how to
do it, like a me or a Leon Thomas, or
there's many people I can name.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
So you ain't fuck with.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
I will like on certain things like I'll fucking uh,
they got this thing on Serato or even on Protus
now where I could put a song in there and
just take the drums or just take the baseline, or
just take a background vocal or whatever. And it's cool
on some sampling ship because back in the day you
could only sample the whole track, so or.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
You couldn't get an instrument, or you couldn't get a
capella to so simple.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Now.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
Yeah, So I like that part of it because I
like making beats, and I like, you know, creating sounds.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
I wonder how that's gonna impact the writers too, because
if somebody just goes in and says, write me a
Tie dollar Sign sounding record, or write me and Leon
Thomas sounding record, Like, it's kind of like, if that's
just start getting good, they don't need y'all anymore.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
In a way, I don't think it's gonna get that
good because it's not gonna have the what we're doing
out here on the streets.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
You got to always update it so we're gonna have
it first. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
When you think when you talked about, you know, the
loss you've experienced earlier, right, how has grief reshaped your
relationship with music and your own mental health?
Speaker 5 (26:43):
How has it reshaped it? I don't know if it
reshaped it, but I just have learned to keep a
focus about me. It's like, there's gonna be many hurdles
in the.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Way, and I I got tough skin. I will say that.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
And in this business, you definitely got to have tough
skin for sure, because the bad shit is gonna come.
But as long as you got that focus about you
you can keep going cause I.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Heard you saying earlier. Now you getting up early, you
working out? Yeah? Was that It wasn't always like that, right.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
I mean I had my time when I was working
out crazy and then I fell off, and then now
I'm back. It's like it's all in what you want
to do. And I felt like, I don't know. It
was during the pandemic, I could say, is when I
just like stopped caring and stopped like working out. And
then all this time it just I was putting out
more music, getting busy, not really like on it. But
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now I started caring about that again and it feels good.
It was one day when my mom was like, yo,
do you still love what you're doing? And I was like,
of course, I still love what I was doing out.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Man.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
She was like, I don't know, because you know, people
get tired, and I just couldn't see what she meant
by that, like why would I ever get tired of this?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
And then.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Probably last year around our October, around like the same
time last year, I went to go perform in Miami
at this spot called eleven and bout a second song,
my motherfucking back went out while I was on stage,
I'm like, ah, And that's when I knew, Yo, you
gotta take this series again. You gotta get your shit together.
So now I feel like I'm fucking twenty five again.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
That back when I was like, oh, I'm about to
be forty.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
No, but you're right now. You gotta take care of absolutely.
Speaker 7 (28:29):
Leon Thomas in his career is like such a success story.
I saw you call home King of R and B
right when you're looking for other artists? Now, is it
R and B that you're trying to stand a lane
or like what type of artists are you looking for now?
Speaker 8 (28:41):
For your label that you have?
Speaker 5 (28:42):
Yeah, just like the greatest artists possible, like people that
are actually good, people that aren't just like you could
tell man, it's like certain people that just want to
get famous or just get lucky, you know what I'm saying,
or just have popularity. And it's like that shit be cool.
But when I was easy money, we want the real deal, you.
Speaker 10 (29:03):
Know over at easy money, Do y'all invest in artist
development because that's not something that's around anymore. Like you said,
most people want to get famous just to be famous,
or you know, for the shits and giggles, the likes
and all that type.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
If there was something that I love that much that
I believed in, I would invest in that. But I'm
more so like working with easy lifters, meaning like that
you got your shit together. I've I used to have
my old label, the Movement. I've started many labels and
signed many people. But now it's like Leon has been
the easiest person to work with. So now that's like
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my blueprint. It's like, if you ain't got it like that,
then I don't even want to waste my time because
it's the same as I am. You know, I'm like
gonna come with a shit fully done. I'm gonna do
my part. So now when I get my team, it's like,
all right, you do your part, you do your part,
and we can all went together, you know what I mean.
So I want a person that has this shit together.
The last meeting that we went I said this in
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another you, but I'm gonna tell it to y'all. The
last meeting we went to at a Capital motown for Leon.
This nigga pulls out his laptop. O, you.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Guys got ac in my cable.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
They hook it up he PowerPoint display. This is how
the album's Finna go. These are the directors I want
to work with. These are the colors I want to use.
This is my stage data. I'm like, oh, this is
all I need from Utah. Can you make this happen?
I want to get Chris Brown on the song you
feel me like shit like that, like got your shit together.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Easy money and then it makes it easy.
Speaker 7 (30:33):
You know, were there ever any artists that in all
of your label journeys that you didn't sign and now
you're like, oh, maybe they weren't all the way to
having their shit together, but I should have because now
I see them and they get it now.
Speaker 8 (30:48):
Like artists you feel like you missed out on that.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
I missed out on, Uh not for real, like that
I didn't have my ship together when it was like
when I first met YG So we did it more
team right, you know what I mean? But we still
you know, we're still rocking. He know my new song
I just put up small Body, Pretty Faces Kodak and
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y G.
Speaker 9 (31:17):
I need. I love making banger with you and Leon Thomas.
I got you, okay, a new question. That's what I want.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
That's what I need, Joe.
Speaker 9 (31:27):
I ain't gonna ask you no more? All right?
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Sign is a perfect person to do a crime with
because he ain't gonna tell the point.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I mean you can interrogate him all day. He's gonna
be sitting there with that hoodie on. You know you.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Ladies and gentlemen. Todd Coon comes out on the seventeenth.
It's toie dollar sign. It is the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Good morning, every day.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Up week, click your ass up, the Breakfast Club. You
don't finish for y'all done.
Don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Every day a waiting click your ass up the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
You don't finish for y'all done morning.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Everybody's d J n V Jess hilarious, Charlamagne the guy
we are the breakfast Club. Lon LaRosa is here as well.
We got a special guest in the building, Tie Dollar Sign.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
What's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
How are you feeling?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Plus black and Holly favored new album Tycoon coming?
Speaker 5 (00:23):
That's how you're feeling, yeaes, sir, Tycoon on the way
ten seventeen.
Speaker 6 (00:28):
What do you think defines the tie dollar sign sound
right now? Because a lot of people say you've helped
shape like the modern R and B signd So what
what what defines the tie dollar sign sound right now?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Just taking your time in finding the right you know
what I mean? Like, damn, that's a question right there.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
That's what interviews are four times a questions.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
That's a good question. What is the sound ship? The
shit fucking greatness? There we go?
Speaker 7 (01:02):
Okay, at what point did you realize that you had
more to offer the world. I saw something where you
talked about like, you know, this album being for people
who you know, you dream, but you know it's more
to you.
Speaker 8 (01:14):
When did you realize that about till sign?
Speaker 5 (01:16):
I realized that like early, early, but especially when I
got my first job. My first job was when I
was like sixteen, and it was at a subway sandwiches,
and uh, I was in there going through the you
know when they teach you everything, and I didn't come back.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I went one day and that was it.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
I can't do this, it's not for me.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I'm about to go make music and figure it out.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Is that why you am I getting this ready? That
where you met like YG and everybody back then?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
No, no, no, you met me someway sandwich. Now I
was much later though.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Okay, why tycoon?
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Why is that the name of the tycoon? Because that's
where I'm staying up and into my greatness. It's a
it came from a Japanese word great lord, and you
know over here in English it's like top of your game,
top of your business. I did the artist thing. I
started the record label Easy Money. We signed our first artist,
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Leon Thomas. He's now Leon Thomas.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
I don't think you get enough credit for that, like
people like people mention it, but it's like no, that's
time that was not artists, which says a lot. Like
I always say, you know, you become a true legend
when you're.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Tree bands fruit Exactly. Yeah, man, So shout out to Leon.
I'm a champagne owner. Now it's the champagne. What else
we got? I'm about to drop a documentary. Yeah, my daughter.
Let's talk about my daughter. My daughter's twenty years old.
Now she's at Pepperdine getting her master's.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Wow, shout out to her.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Man, that's what life is about.
Speaker 6 (02:55):
Talking about in real fruits when it comes to Leon, right, like.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
How did they meet? First of all, how do y'all
how did you sign Leon? What do y'all meet?
Speaker 5 (03:03):
We met at this studio session like during the pandemic.
My homie uh A Lee was like, Yo, you got
to check this out, and he played me this song,
that California Cation song that we It's called Love Jones now,
but the first it was Californication and then it's Love
Jones on his first album, And really I was supposed
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to put that out, but I didn't put it out,
and then he was like, I'm about to use it
on my shit.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Man.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
We ended up signing on me and Sean Baron because
we always talked about making a label together. Sean Baron
is the guy who signed me to Atlantic in twenty twelve,
and now we got a label together.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
So it's a blessing. Man.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
You know a lot of artists they'll see another artist
with that type of talent and they'll basically like just
take the whole or take the energy for themselves. What
made you say, nah, man, I want you to go fly.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
On your own because it just reminded me of myself
like at that time, just being great with people not
knowing what to do or know what I mean. So
I'm like, Yo, we got the label, would you be down?
He's like, what, let's go and we figured it out.
Speaker 7 (04:08):
What instincts do you use in business that you gather
from music or vice versa that help you be good
at what you do?
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Uh, It's it's a total different thing. But in business,
I just it's all about getting the right team, you
know what I'm saying. And I got a great team,
So I just want to shout out to them because
I couldn't do it all alone for sure.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
How do you balance being a collaborator behind a sound
but then being an artist in front of it, because
you know, you work and produce for people everybody, Right,
So how do you know when to just be a
collaborator behind the sound, but then switching ow to do
the album and being an artist in front of the son.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
Yeah, when it comes to music, I just like give
it what it needs, you know what I mean. I
don't try to overdo it. It's like if I'm if
I feel like it just needs my feature. Cool, if
it's my song, it's a whole different thing. I mean,
it's the intention.
Speaker 9 (05:02):
And you're talking about that.
Speaker 10 (05:03):
You're also dropping a documentary Still, Free TC, what is
that about? Give us a little bit about I know
you don't want to spoil it.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
Free TC is basically going to show you my whole
There's some parts that are not in there, but it's
basically my whole thing from a kid all the way
up until now.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
The whole trajectory like.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
Deeper than any other interview has went or any other
any other way. You guys see me out there for sure,
that's on the way. It's basically done. I scored the
whole thing, and shout out to the whole team that
put that together as well.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Who pushes you the most as far as creative is it?
Your artist is it.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Another artist that you're in, whether it's YG or whoever
it may be, who pushes you the most to say, now,
I could do better than that.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I think I pushed myself the hardest.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Just from just for Karen and wanted to go to
the next level. And it's just like, all right, that's cool,
but what can we do different?
Speaker 1 (06:00):
All right?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
That sounds like, you know I've heard this before. What
can we do? You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (06:07):
To take it to the next level. I get real
bored with music, you know what I mean. It's like
how many songs come out of day? You know what
I'm saying. So it's like, what can we do to
make it like interesting? You know what I'm saying? What's
the wild factor?
Speaker 9 (06:18):
What's there? Inspiration?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Right?
Speaker 10 (06:19):
Because your voice is like timeless on anything. Anything you
put your voice on, it makes it a hit, right.
I love your vocals, love your voice.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Appreciate that.
Speaker 9 (06:29):
Who is inspiration?
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Inspiration? Tons?
Speaker 5 (06:32):
It could be We can name back in the day
artists all the way up until now. But I like Prince,
I like di'angelo, I like Joe to See, I like Himrell,
I like all the greatest singers, Stevie Wonder, Stevie Wander
is my favorite male singer ever. I could just then
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there's rap, then there's like house music, then there's rock music.
Then there's tons of things that can inspire me.
Speaker 9 (06:58):
We just love music.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Sure you remember the first that you want? The record
you ever heard?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Or Stevie Wonder record. Ah, maybe isn't she lovely?
Speaker 1 (07:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I don't know if that's the first.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
But that's the one that you felt like you did.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
That's just what I thought of right now when you
say you can hear it?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Did you grow up singing in church?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
No? I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
I didn't really want people to know I could sing
back then. I didn't really like all the way know
how to sing back then, but it was in me.
But I was playing bas in church though.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
For sure. Yeah, when did you first start singing?
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I first started singing when I was a kid, but
like publicly what was her name? What was her name?
Speaker 5 (07:43):
That was really my pops that got me into singing,
because y'all know my pops. He did music as well.
He still does music to this day. He just sent
me this video of him playing somewhere playing trumpet. But uh, yeah, man,
it's just it's just something that I've always loved and
I get to make money off of it, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 9 (08:02):
Why don't you want people to know you could sing?
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Like?
Speaker 9 (08:04):
What was that about?
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I don't know. It was just I just didn't feel comfortable.
I guess it was some shy shit.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I was easier, it was easier to just play an
instrument or Yeah.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
When you look at our R and B is evolved.
What do you think missing from the genre right now?
Speaker 2 (08:19):
What's missing from the genre right now? And R and
B is uh? Other subjects? M hmm, it's like everybody
just in like black music period, it's like.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
The same subjects, you know what I'm saying. I think
we should start just talking about other things, like regular life,
going to do LAUNDRYGGA, going to the.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Grocery stuff, regular ship.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
When you're listening to country songs that you listen to
just all other genres, people are down to talk about,
you know what I'm saying, Other stuff, regular life stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
No, that's interesting because when people think R and B,
you automatically think love you did girls, But like what
is you can just sing about a good.
Speaker 10 (09:01):
Day and it's relatable. It's relatable. So that's how you
always running people over.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
So you're saying you got them type of songs on Tycoon.
Speaker 10 (09:11):
Yeah, right, So what can we expect on Tycoon A
bunch of the same song.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
No, it's not, man, it's crazy. Tycoon is crazy. You're
gonna get the You're gonna get the party, You're gonna
get the love. You're gonna get the uh my type
of love. You're gonna get the you know, real life.
You know what I'm saying, what's.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Your type of love? Time? Because you just said you shy?
Speaker 10 (09:32):
Nah?
Speaker 5 (09:33):
No, no, no, no, I said I was Mine may
not be like everybody else's, but you're gonna get my
point of view. So stay stay tuned ten seventeen.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
When you talk about soul, right, like, like, what is
soul mean to you? Is it the sound? Is it
the feeling? Is it the truth behind the music?
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Yeah, it's definitely the truth. It's the intention. Is it's
the blackness all that?
Speaker 1 (09:56):
M hm?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (09:59):
So at this point with the the last the last
thing that we said switching gears, the last thing that
we saw with you and Kanye, right, where are y'all
right now?
Speaker 8 (10:08):
Today? Is there? Like, what's your relationship like today.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Six seven six, You couldn't have been shocked when he
when he came.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Shocked.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
Yeah, Well, you know what I always tell people, if
you want to see how somebody's eventually gonna treat you,
watch how they treat it us.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, eventually it's gonna be your turn. Yeah, I mean
I didn't six seven bro.
Speaker 9 (10:42):
I love Vultures one though, Thank you me too.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I thought that was a great album. Had a lot
of fun making it too.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Do you think the world knows your full story yet?
Speaker 5 (10:54):
Uh, there's there's been some pieces. But that's why I'm
glad I finally got to shoot this documentary of free
TC on the way.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Then you really get it. You're you're really like feel me,
feel me? You feel me?
Speaker 6 (11:07):
Like, yeah, when the when the world knows your voice
but not your full story, does that ever feel isolating?
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Like you alone?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Nah? Because uh, what I put out was the music.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
What I wanted people to know was the music gotcha
And then now it's like, all right, cool, I'll give
you a little bit more.
Speaker 9 (11:27):
When did you record?
Speaker 5 (11:28):
We're actually lucky that it went this way because I
see how it goes with other people, you know, what.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Did you care about the bullshit before they care about exactly?
Speaker 9 (11:38):
We're good, all right? Cool? When did you record racks
with Tory Lanees and Loder uh ship a minute ago? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah, but just rebound them.
Speaker 8 (11:52):
And what about Tycoon with Baby in future?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Oh you know about that? Yeah, we just did that recently.
Speaker 8 (12:02):
So the studio, No, I was gonna say all not
all in the same studio.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Not all in the same studio. Nah, mhm.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
You don't like doing interviews, he does not, And it's okay.
You don't like doing interviews with y'all.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
How long you've been doing each other, you're comfortable, like, oh,
you know, it's only one show.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
You know you can't I'm like, what, nigga, it's regular.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
But if you can just do the music, you'd rather
just do the music.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Nah, because we gotta do this part. People want to know,
people want to know what's up, you know what I'm saying.
And it's like, I don't mind. It's all a part
of the job. I don't mind eating right, working out,
waking up, fucking not sleeping. It's way more than just music,
you know what I'm saying. So if you thought you
was just gonna do music. Good luck, my nigga.
Speaker 6 (12:54):
Is it easier to do it now since you are
like such an established artist though, like people do know
tie down?
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Yeah, Now, I wouldn't say it's easier now. I say
we had to go through so much to get to
this point, and now I would want to say it's
on airplane mode.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
But it's still motherfucking you know. It's like that too
when you.
Speaker 7 (13:17):
Say you had to go through so much, was it
because your sound was so new for a lot.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
Of people or yeah, just think of it like this. Man,
my shit didn't boom until I was twenty seven. I've
been making music since I was like nine years old. Wow,
you know, so thank God for that. And I'm forty now.
What keeps you grounded?
Speaker 6 (13:37):
When fame and ego and chaos feel like it's just
part of the industry rhythm?
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Like yeah, I mean, I just stay doing me and
not being on bullshit when other people be on bullshit, laugh,
do whatever you gotta do, scroll next.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
But I stayed doing me. You know what I'm saying.
I'm about my shit. I'm bout my business.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
I didn't know you had a twenty year old Yeah. Wow,
So how's that been like?
Speaker 2 (14:02):
You know me.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
I'm just saying, growing up in the industry, you always
clearly had a different purpose if you.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Knew I had a daughter though, right or no. That's
the thing about these interviews. You know what I'm saying.
Some people don't know and I've been knowing you forever,
so yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
But I mean twenty of the big age.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
I mean, she was nine and now she's twenty. That's
how it comes.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
That should be quick though, Like I remember, my mom
used to always say, like how fast life goes and
you don't realize it until that's real.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Ship.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
For me, it was like after the pandemic. It's like
when you were going through that pandemic, it was one thing,
and then after it, even the music industry I feel
like just changed.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
It was like a whole switch up.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
You know what I'm saying, good a bad, good in
some ways, bad in some ways.
Speaker 10 (14:56):
How does somebody get to know you if they're dating you,
how do you How do you just.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Got communication and being around every day? That's how you
get to know me?
Speaker 9 (15:05):
Okay, I just wanted to know because you ain't giving
us ship.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
That's why I'm want me to give you.
Speaker 10 (15:11):
No, no, no, you're just a man of very few words.
So I'm like, you know what, how would it be
like dating him? Like I wonder if if she finds out,
if does it take her like years to find out?
Speaker 5 (15:20):
You're gonna find out everything first day, first couple of weeks.
I would just said, we just said. I like transparency.
I like you to know what's up. I don't like surprises,
and I don't like playing with people, and I don't
like people playing with me. So if if you funk
with it, let's let's see what we're gonna do.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
You don't be telling these girls everything, and I'll.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
Be telling them everything real, I'll be telling them everything,
and they know each other dying.
Speaker 10 (15:45):
I was about to say, because we was talking about
the old cam Newton thing, and do you have to
know a girl's body?
Speaker 5 (15:57):
County the count I don't know what are they really
going to tell me?
Speaker 10 (16:03):
It's the question or if they've ever slept with anybody
else in industry that you may rub elbows.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Where you may be met question.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
That is a question, I asked, And I will tell
you if we walk into a room and oh yeah,
just so.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
You know you know what I mean?
Speaker 9 (16:17):
Gotcha?
Speaker 2 (16:18):
No, surprises, no surprises.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
And are you willing to stay with a girl or
she been with like a few of the homies.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
Stay with I don't know a few of the homies
is crazy. But you know what's funny, man, It's like
I've run into a couple and it'd be a couple. Yeah,
you know it's happened more than one time where oh yeah,
well him him or him him and him or maybe.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Can you take that serious though relationship?
Speaker 5 (16:50):
Say it be fucked up because you already like him
by the time you find out they be like.
Speaker 10 (16:54):
Damn, But you can't take that back though it was
before you.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
You try to, you try to think of it like.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
In your side every time you see the homie, but.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
And you walk off, you look back and you see
him in the other honey like.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
RB nigga think he doing something?
Speaker 9 (17:16):
Damn you?
Speaker 8 (17:19):
I mean your R and B. But it's like a
different type of R and B.
Speaker 7 (17:22):
Are you like an emotional person in a relationship and
that gives you for your music too?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Or yeah, I can be sure, I could definitely be emotional.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
How much of that comes?
Speaker 6 (17:36):
How much of that comes from your own personal highs
and lows?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Though?
Speaker 6 (17:41):
What do you mean by that the emotion, the emotion
that you put in music. How much of that comes
from your own personal.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
In my music?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Yeah, some of it's personal. Some of it's like if
I'm doing a song with a writer, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Whatever, But I.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Still put my my passion into it, you know, I
still put my my whole thing into it.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
What's the last thing you looked that online about yourself?
And laugh?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Last thing I looked at online about myself? Then laughed?
His niggas calling me jar Jar Binks.
Speaker 8 (18:12):
He calls me that.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I didn't know who jar Jar Binks was before this.
Speaker 8 (18:17):
And then how did you feel like when you saw him?
Speaker 5 (18:20):
Well, when you see the one picture from the or video,
the way my hair was, oh man, and then you
put it next to jar Jar Binks is actually hilarious
like this, it's funny.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
You didn't laugh when they said you was on on
screen kissing the man.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Okay, see this nigga romany man. That's the homie. He
from Brazil.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
This is how he does all the homies, like, oh,
what's and we told him like yo, he didn't actually
kiss me, bro if you really look close. But yeah,
so what nigga. I had a fish in that shirt
on nigga. That sh it was sexy as and your
bitch was loving it about that.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
Yeah, yeah, that used to be regular fish that back
in then.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Like I forgot what type of shirt that ship was,
but that she was expensive too, and I like it.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
So he was the jamaking shirt back in the day.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
It was did you have Did you have to explain
that to anybody? Though?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I don't ever have to explain ship.
Speaker 8 (19:20):
You don't say.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
You had to laugh though.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
It was funny. I definitely called that nigga like, bruh, See,
I told your stupid ass, we don't even That's not
how it is out here. We don't do that.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
What do you say?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
He was like, man, I'm gonna be me every time,
Like you know, I ain't got well this nigga, well
he's married and ship.
Speaker 9 (19:40):
But yeah, what's your favorite favorite collaboration?
Speaker 2 (19:46):
That your favorite collaboration I ever made is a miracle
on my first album Free TC and I was with
my brother uh TC d log my sister was singing
on their everybody I like those like family, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 8 (20:04):
That's what's I saw you say? That is this album?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Right?
Speaker 8 (20:07):
You said it's perfect for shrooms.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Nah, I hate shrooms.
Speaker 8 (20:12):
An interview cap that you did during the.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Media room when I said what tycoon.
Speaker 8 (20:18):
I thought it was Tycoon?
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah, no, no, no, that must have been wrong. Nigga.
Speaker 8 (20:25):
Again, I'm looking at it right here, it's posted. Is
it a live interview? But you know, maybe the.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Back back in the day.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
Okay, shrooms, it can be fun people live, but if
a bad thing happens on shrooms, it's that same energy
of the greatness reverse. So I forgot what song it was.
I think it was motion, like this song right before
Vultures that I put out. I was going to do
(20:57):
radio interviews up and down California. Start off in the Bay,
drive down. It's just me, the red from Atlantic and
the driver and I'm like, you know what, I'm about
to take one of these little corners of this chocolate bar.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Go. Do these interviews be a funny ass? Nigga? Like,
have all the energy you feel me early morning? All
the shit?
Speaker 5 (21:17):
It worked well. I went and started and did my interviews.
It was going crazy, just having fun. Then we get
back in the car and I'm looking at the phone
and the homies just like, well, I actually talked to
my homie the day before and he was in the
hospital and I was supposed to go see him the
next day. I had to go do these interviews, and
my plan was as soon as I got back to
(21:38):
LA I was going to go to the hospital.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
But on the drive down.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
They said he passed away while I'm on mushrooms in
the backseat by myself and nobody to talk to. And
it's just like ah yeah, and it made me just
like never want to fuck with that shit ever again.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Sorry.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, long lived my brother big why yeah ship mm hmm.
Speaker 9 (22:03):
I got something.
Speaker 10 (22:04):
I was reduced soon as I went on. No, you
never did the actual plant. That was just a see chocolate.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
I thought about that part too, that was the chocolate one.
And back in the day when it was the actual plant,
yeah it was. I had way better times. So I
don't know all that.
Speaker 9 (22:20):
All that candy ship, No you need that.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Maybe it was that.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yeah, yeah, I didn't know the story was gonna be dark.
If I know it's gonna be.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
The trip, you know what I mean, Maybe there's like that,
Maybe there's true. Maybe we just kept somebody off of
doing drugs, you feel.
Speaker 9 (22:38):
Me, Yeah, for sure, definitely especially the chocolate.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
You you you owned your publishing, right, Yeah, you sold
it in what twenty eighteen?
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I think I sold some of it some of it.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
Yeah, tell people the importance of owning your publisher and
being able to do that.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
Yeah, it's very important because you could sell it shut up,
or you could keep it and just gain more wealth,
gain more wealth and sell one day.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
It's just like any business. Right you start a fashion
like a whatever, a clothing thing or a food thing
or whatever, a car company. The goal is build that
ship all the way up and then sell it move
to the next business.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Right, So you know, niggas don't be understanding that.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Though it's crazy, it's very simple Mathough, guys.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
What what made you think long term?
Speaker 2 (23:23):
That early though?
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Because a lot of people selling publishing out the gate?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
What made you?
Speaker 5 (23:28):
I really felt like this selling the publishing thing is
a newer thing that I started hearing about. I didn't
used to hear about it back in the day. Like
over the last four years, I've been hearing about people
selling the publishing. So luckily my catalog is crazy, so
I was able to, you know, stack up and do
(23:50):
a whole start a whole new business.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
When you think about technology and AI and how it's
changing music.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
What excites you and worries you about the future.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
What worries me is the laziness of people. Right.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
It's like, now that we have cell phones, niggas don't
remember numbers. Maybe that's not important, you know what I
mean no more, But back in the day, you have
to remember numbers, you have to remember directions, you have to.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Remember all the shit. Fucking I'm sure niggas in school
go right to the phone for everything instead of actually
using their brains. So it's gonna make people lazier. But
at the same time, it's going to create new sounds
and new shit that we didn't have before.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
You know, what do you think about you know, like
they said, as an artist that somebody designed, Yeah, I
had I think a number one R.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
And B record or a record where they don't actually
need the artists. You basically are the producer.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
You create that artist.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
You hate the sound, you create the song. Yeah, you
gotta worry about manager.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
You ain't got to worry about glam team, you ain't
got to worry about security.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
You create.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
Yeah, I think it's uh, I think it's fucking cool
for whoever figured it out and it's getting paid off
of it. But I'm curious to see how the show
is gonna go. You know what I'm saying, How the
fuck you're gonna pull that off? But if you could
do that and game fans, I'm I'll give another congrats
(25:13):
to whoever figures it out. But uh, you know, to
a person that spends their life learning their craft and
and going hard. You know, don't don't let that shit
discourage you, man, keep going, you know what I'm saying,
because I still respect motherfuckers. We really know how to
do it, like a me or a Leon Thomas, or
there's many people I can name.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
So you ain't fuck with.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
I will like on certain things like I'll fucking uh,
they got this thing on Serato or even on Protus
now where I could put a song in there and
just take the drums or just take the baseline, or
just take a background vocal or whatever. And it's cool
on some sampling ship because back in the day you
could only sample the whole track, so or.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
You couldn't get an instrument, or you couldn't get a
capella to so simple.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Now.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
Yeah, So I like that part of it because I
like making beats, and I like, you know, creating sounds.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
I wonder how that's gonna impact the writers too, because
if somebody just goes in and says, write me a
Tie dollar Sign sounding record, or write me and Leon
Thomas sounding record, Like, it's kind of like, if that's
just start getting good, they don't need y'all anymore.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
In a way, I don't think it's gonna get that
good because it's not gonna have the what we're doing
out here on the streets.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
You got to always update it so we're gonna have
it first. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
When you think when you talked about, you know, the
loss you've experienced earlier, right, how has grief reshaped your
relationship with music and your own mental health?
Speaker 5 (26:43):
How has it reshaped it? I don't know if it
reshaped it, but I just have learned to keep a
focus about me. It's like, there's gonna be many hurdles
in the.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Way, and I I got tough skin. I will say that.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
And in this business, you definitely got to have tough
skin for sure, because the bad shit is gonna come.
But as long as you got that focus about you
you can keep going cause I.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Heard you saying earlier. Now you getting up early, you
working out? Yeah? Was that It wasn't always like that, right.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
I mean I had my time when I was working
out crazy and then I fell off, and then now
I'm back. It's like it's all in what you want
to do. And I felt like, I don't know. It
was during the pandemic, I could say, is when I
just like stopped caring and stopped like working out. And
then all this time it just I was putting out
more music, getting busy, not really like on it. But
(27:40):
now I started caring about that again and it feels good.
It was one day when my mom was like, yo,
do you still love what you're doing? And I was like,
of course, I still love what I was doing out.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Man.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
She was like, I don't know, because you know, people
get tired, and I just couldn't see what she meant
by that, like why would I ever get tired of this?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
And then.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Probably last year around our October, around like the same
time last year, I went to go perform in Miami
at this spot called eleven and bout a second song,
my motherfucking back went out while I was on stage,
I'm like, ah, And that's when I knew, Yo, you
gotta take this series again. You gotta get your shit together.
So now I feel like I'm fucking twenty five again.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
That back when I was like, oh, I'm about to
be forty.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
No, but you're right now. You gotta take care of absolutely.
Speaker 7 (28:29):
Leon Thomas in his career is like such a success story.
I saw you call home King of R and B
right when you're looking for other artists? Now, is it
R and B that you're trying to stand a lane
or like what type of artists are you looking for now?
Speaker 8 (28:41):
For your label that you have?
Speaker 5 (28:42):
Yeah, just like the greatest artists possible, like people that
are actually good, people that aren't just like you could
tell man, it's like certain people that just want to
get famous or just get lucky, you know what I'm saying,
or just have popularity. And it's like that shit be cool.
But when I was easy money, we want the real deal, you.
Speaker 10 (29:03):
Know over at easy money, Do y'all invest in artist
development because that's not something that's around anymore. Like you said,
most people want to get famous just to be famous,
or you know, for the shits and giggles, the likes
and all that type.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
If there was something that I love that much that
I believed in, I would invest in that. But I'm
more so like working with easy lifters, meaning like that
you got your shit together. I've I used to have
my old label, the Movement. I've started many labels and
signed many people. But now it's like Leon has been
the easiest person to work with. So now that's like
(29:39):
my blueprint. It's like, if you ain't got it like that,
then I don't even want to waste my time because
it's the same as I am. You know, I'm like
gonna come with a shit fully done. I'm gonna do
my part. So now when I get my team, it's like,
all right, you do your part, you do your part,
and we can all went together, you know what I mean.
So I want a person that has this shit together.
The last meeting that we went I said this in
(29:59):
another you, but I'm gonna tell it to y'all. The
last meeting we went to at a Capital motown for Leon.
This nigga pulls out his laptop. O, you.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Guys got ac in my cable.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
They hook it up he PowerPoint display. This is how
the album's Finna go. These are the directors I want
to work with. These are the colors I want to use.
This is my stage data. I'm like, oh, this is
all I need from Utah. Can you make this happen?
I want to get Chris Brown on the song you
feel me like shit like that, like got your shit together.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Easy money and then it makes it easy.
Speaker 7 (30:33):
You know, were there ever any artists that in all
of your label journeys that you didn't sign and now
you're like, oh, maybe they weren't all the way to
having their shit together, but I should have because now
I see them and they get it now.
Speaker 8 (30:48):
Like artists you feel like you missed out on that.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
I missed out on, Uh not for real, like that
I didn't have my ship together when it was like
when I first met YG So we did it more
team right, you know what I mean? But we still
you know, we're still rocking. He know my new song
I just put up small Body, Pretty Faces Kodak and
(31:13):
y G.
Speaker 9 (31:17):
I need. I love making banger with you and Leon Thomas.
I got you, okay, a new question. That's what I want.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
That's what I need, Joe.
Speaker 9 (31:27):
I ain't gonna ask you no more? All right?
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Sign is a perfect person to do a crime with
because he ain't gonna tell the point.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I mean you can interrogate him all day. He's gonna
be sitting there with that hoodie on. You know you.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
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Speaker 4 (31:52):
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Speaker 1 (31:55):
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