Jermaine Dupri & Curren$y Talk Collab Album, Diddy Verzuz, Bow Wow, 106 & Park + More

Jermaine Dupri & Curren$y Talk Collab Album, Diddy Verzuz, Bow Wow, 106 & Park + More

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wake that ass up in the morning. Breakfast Club Morning.
Everybody's DJ Envy Charlomagne the guy. We are the breakfast Club.
He got some special guests in the building. We got
Currency and Jermaine dupre Jay. What up? What's going on? Fellas?
And I'm saying this making moves what look like hob

(00:22):
roll out? I just collaborator came about? Uh man, I
did a record on this Harrod fraud album I did.
Then I named the record Jamaine dupre because it reminded
me of when I've seen Bro on MTV uh cribs,
So it made me speak on it name the record
after him. And then he heard it and he hit me.

(00:43):
I was like, just come to the studio, like you
should come through, like let's do a record. Well, what
I thought was just come to do a record. But
then we jammed up, like it fell right and we
never stopped working. Did y'all always cool with each other?
Did y'all know each other? Were just not not at all? No,
as soon as we jammed them, it was like a
step brothers. It was like yo, like you for real?

(01:04):
Like did we just become like best friends? Doll? Like
we just jammed up, just now we got so many records. Man,
Let's go back to that MTV cribs thing, right because
you know nowadays and you see rappers doing that should
looked like this everybody flossing. But back then it really
used to inspire people. So I was talking about that, yes,
like dude had the icebergs. I don't just all the
stuff that was out of my reach that time, you

(01:26):
know what I'm saying, And like they always see it
like hot kids like saw a Black Panthers, like yo,
you look like us, Like I'm like, no, this nigga
look like us, Like this this hit right here. You
know what I'm saying, So you could do it because
the only people I've ever seen on that was like
I keep telling them how colden House and shit like that,
and then bam he coming like yeah, this hard. But

(01:46):
let's talk about that. What do you think the difference
is back then? Because I remember seeing JD Like the
first time I even I seen an exotic sports called
with JAD had to lamboat with the invented doors with
the doors up and he put the kids on it.
So for me, it wasn't like flaws and it was inspiring.
Right when I used to see squiz or or hole.
It was bust up, it was inspiring. Why do you
think people don't look at it now? Is inspiring? Now?

(02:08):
They look at it like, oh, he's floors and why
why do you think it's the difference they are that's
what they're doing it. I mean, you know, it got
to a point where like people, you know, there was
a TV show and they was trying to make a show,
um and they started actually renting houses for people that
didn't have houses. They started renting cars for people who
so that that so that the situation would look the

(02:29):
same as whoever they had on the show. I think
that's where they messed up, you know what I mean,
that's where they took that part of what you're talking
about out, because I mean the last one I remember
was when like they tried to do that with Red
Man and Red Man was like, nah, I'm gonna take
you out of my house in Jersey and it was
like a you know what I mean, he stayed in
like a townhouse flownhouse, right, and they was trying to
give him a house and call and hen and he

(02:50):
didn't want to do it. So I mean, you know,
that's pretty much what happened. It is like people just
was like, nah, let's let's fake it and make it
look like this is my house and these are my cars.
Man episode was as impactful a stack of video games,
and I was like, well I could. I could also
this is me too. I could also do this too

(03:11):
if I got And also, I think because you knew
that whoever was on cribs back then actually worked for that,
you know what I mean. Nowadays it's just like you
can stand in front of somebody mansion and stand in
front of somebody family like what we're asking what do
these people do? That's true. We didn't have what JD
did back then. Yeah, we knew what he did, so
how was it working with j D? It was like,

(03:32):
you know, honestly, it was like a dream, bro, because
I've been in the game for a long time and
just on the outside look. And then that's one of
the people that I figured. You know, that was like
somewhere else that's out of space. You know what I'm saying,
So you speak on it. You know. If I named
the record Jermaine Dupre, I never thought I was gonna
meet Jermaine Dupre or anything. That's why I like y'all

(03:53):
never met. That's you know what I'm saying, Like y'all
both be outside, like yeah, but especially like y'all be outside. Yeah,
but it's different. It's two different worlds, realms, you know,
like worlds completely like in his group of people in
the section may include like who you want just throw
names around, all right, and it's me and the homies.

(04:17):
We're not gonna it's not gonna happen, you know what
I'm saying. So it's just great that it did. And
it's like when I when I thought I was gonna
go to the NFL the NBA, I used to look
on the back of the cards and look at peoples
birthday and see who would be in the league when
I got there, you know what I'm saying, And like this,
this is like that shit just exactly like that I
was working with currency. It's dope, but you know what
it was, because um, it's it's it's it's interesting because

(04:41):
I don't we never talked about songs like usually I
talk about what we're gonna do prior to even making
a beat. Um, he rolling up, I'm making a beat.
I don't know what's gonna happen. I don't even know
if he knows what's happening, but um, it just happened.
We never made one record where we talked about what
we were gonna do. It's just organically happened. So I

(05:04):
felt like, you know, the first five records that I
saw this happened, I'm like, oh, this is this is
something that's this is what organic I guess feels like,
oh it means right. By the time we got to ten,
I'm like, oh, okay, this is this is really something
different than what than what I usually you know, usually
it's a process of like we're gonna make a song
like this, and we need to make a record like this,

(05:25):
and we need to do this and put this person
on there. We ain't had none of them conversations, but
we got to that process at the end of the songs.
You know, as as the legend you are j D.
When you saw him name the song after you, how
did that make you feel? Because let's be real, people
don't give you the credit the credits you deserve, man,
not at all. That's that's that was crazy, you know
what I mean. I feel like that was like, um, um,

(05:46):
that's the thing I said. The least I could do
is do a record for him, you know. I mean
that's the least I could do, because nobody had ever
done that. That's that's taking acknowledging me to a whole
nother level, right, And it's other people that don't even
have that, that don't even get that that level of
like somebody naming a song after you. You know, so
I never thought that and I never saw that in
my forecast just to even happen, like oh, I can't

(06:09):
wait till they start naming records after me, Like you
don't even think like that. So it was, it was.
It definitely took me back, like damn okay, and you
know it also it also was refreshing and a reset
because what he did was he made me um um
love and and and and and all the things that

(06:30):
I love, he loves them like and he and he
makes you appreciate. He makes you appreciate stuff like that,
like the call on the desk right there, like you know,
I collect toys, you know, this is so so the
things that I do. Sometimes people come out studio, they're like,
why you got all these toys in there? But he
came studio, he's like picking them up, looking like my

(06:51):
son will go crazy over this, and he just started
makes you appreciate the stuff that you actually already do.
I was gonna I was gonna ask you know, both
of you guys are all are very underrated in your
both crafts, right, so you know, currency you've been out
for so long, you put up so many records, and
I feel like the world is doesn't necessarily give you
the credit you deserve. And the same thing with yourself, JD.
Do I have that those kind understand Yeah, we don't

(07:14):
have the conversation like but but we just it's an understanding,
like you know that that's why we do what we do.
But we also know, like the ceiling that that that's
almost over you by not being an asshole and waving
your own banner and demanding that people give you accolades
and notice what you did, we just keep putting, you know,
putting the numbers up the ship work. I feel like

(07:36):
you have to do that when you're from the South though. Yeah,
and if people want if you want people to if
you want that and you have to do that, yes,
you know what I'm saying. If you just want to
take care of your family, pay the bills and ball
out on your own accord. Then you don't have to
do it because like I always say, like I still
want to go to Walmut and look for high wheels
and shit, you know, but I want to go in

(07:56):
a ferrari or something. So I work hard enough to
do that, you know what I'm saying. But I'm not
worrying about the other ship that comes with it, like
those being in those circles and done all that shit
that that don't because all the guys of noble always
be like, oh, I'm the king of New York hip hop.
Wayne didn't get into conversation, so he said he the
best rapper. Yeah, ta, I didn't get into conversation, so
he said he the king of the South. I feel

(08:17):
like when you're from the South, you have to say it.
You have to, you have to, you know, But all
you could just stack your paper up. Yeah, that's that's
really what matters. That's that's really what matter. Jad You
feel like you started popping your shit a little too late, Nah,
I mean it's hard to even say that because that's
what I'm on cribs. I'm popping shit, I guess, right,

(08:38):
But you know, I think people start paying attention too late,
you know what I mean? Like, you know, I was
popping shit at nineteen. I don't think people start paying
attention to Jermaney free to like I was twenty five,
twenty six years old. Because even now when people start
speaking of like the records I did, they leave criss
Cross completely off that whole list, right, So half of

(08:59):
my existence in the popping shit era, you know, you know,
people didn't, you know, and they weren't no breakfast club
when I did money anything. And just imagine if it was,
I would have stacks in here, would have been it was.
It wasn't no breakfast club when we was doing that, right,
and then people weren't even throwing money we did. We

(09:20):
the first first guys on TV throwing money in a video, right.
So um, I just think people just they don't, they don't,
they weren't in that era of when this happened. And
then they start hearing that they should compare me to somebody, right,
and then that's where the that's where the lack of
it happening happened came from. And then I'm from the South.

(09:42):
I represent Atlanta right to the fullest. So therefore the
South always gets slighted. It just just what it is.
It's not a it's not an old no we don't.
It's a true fact as we get slighted, not as
much anymore, not as much anymore. No really, really, we
just really got this really bad, really really bad. Recently
at the Grammys. Yeah, No, No, No, No two Live Crew.

(10:09):
Luke Scott Walker is the listen. Luke Scott Walker is
the reason that the parental advisory sticker is on every
rap record in the world. Right, how do you do
hip hop fifty And you do not put the person
who put that sticker on these records on the show.
He could talk on the mic. Hedn't have to rap,

(10:30):
he could have just came out and for representation. And
I feel like, if you're gonna, if you're gonna slight Luke,
they're gonna always slight. You made the Prix because I'm
saying I don't think I did the parental advisory thing.
I haven't done anything that's that monumental to this is
this is forever in hip hop, right, this is this
was on your mixtapes, This is forever. This is something

(10:52):
that everybody had to feel because of what they did
in Miami and you can't put that man on the show, right,
that's a fact. Yeah. I think about it like that
Luke when survived. I don't want them to start digging
up old Luke shit. They started digging up old Luke shit.
They're gonna try to get Luke out of here in
two thousand. But you have a look back and think about,

(11:12):
you know, some of the things that you've created, right,
like because it's a lot of this stuff came from
the tree of Jamaine dupri and Social death Right, people
that work for you. That was intern people that you employed,
and you have a look back at that and be like, people,
this is from my tree, and most people don't know. Yeah,
we talked about By the way, yesterday we was we
had a listening party last night, but prior to that,

(11:34):
we was getting ready for the listening party, was doing
a photo shoot and they was playing Never Scared right,
And he was like why. He was like, why are
they playing this song? And I'm like, that's my artist
and he was like, I was like this all right.
I was like, what playlist is this? Like so so deaf?
Like all right, So they played the ones you know
for sure they're supposed to play like after by Wile
Bounce with me went off, right, So I was like, oh,

(11:57):
they're just mixing it up, like playing some stuff. Really
that I knew that. I didn't know that. I didn't
know that. And then when he was talking to me
about that shit, the Young Blood record came on and
I was like, so this one too, you know what
I'm saying? That fuck me. I'm like, I didn't even know.
Like he was like, yeah, now they were sign them.

(12:18):
Yea little John used to work for Jimmy Dubri. Yeah,
this is the tree that you That's what I'm saying.
If he don't know this right then, I don't know.
He was in the restaurant with escaped them in the video.
That's all I knew. I was like, his nigga did
all that. I'm saying, that's the ones I knew. I

(12:40):
didn't know. I didn't know that he that he did
that album for Young Blood and I had no idea
knew the franchise boys right now, Yeah, I know all
the people and see me if you hear me, Yeah,
I saw it. You know what I'm saying. But I
didn't know. I didn't know that. So so it's crazy
because they put this list out of executives. I think
yesterday whatever the thing was like the top ten CEOs,

(13:03):
and somebody who's asking me, do I think I should
be high on the list, And I'm you know, I
don't care about that list, but I should be hired.
But because I'm sure they did the exact same thing
he's doing. They not even factoring in half of the
artists that's that's come from this tree that you speak up.
But history has to matter, right, because you know, you
can't have a mount Rushmore of Atlanta without Jamae dupre

(13:24):
on them. Yeah. But you know, so if Atlanta, if
the way people reve in New York, right, they're gonna
put the architects of New York on, you gotta put
the architects of Atlanta on. Yeah. I just think that,
you know, Atlanta, modern day Atlanta is so hip hop,
and um, I was doing both, you know what I mean.

(13:44):
I got I'm responsible for a lot of R and
B that comes from Atlanta, and I'm responsible for a
lot of hip hop from Atlanta. And I feel like
the mind set them now when they talk about it
CEOs today, it's all hip hop. It's all hip hop.
So you know, even in that space, people try to like,
I didn't know you did, Anthony Hamilton, you know what
I mean. It's like you try to move out a

(14:05):
lot of the things and it's it's it's just a
I think it's just people just not living in the
arrows or not just not knowing if you don't see me,
because it's crazy because I'm the only person that I
feel like if I put my tag on my record,
put the tag on the record, they know. But if
I don't say nothing, I just try to be straight CEO.
And just like I'm putting out records, people don't ever

(14:26):
mention me doing them songs something you feel like you
got something to prove what this project? Yeah, I mean
I feel like I feel like this, this project is
really who I am. This record, this project is really
what where I actually come from. This is rapp, this
is what this is how I started. Um, it's a
reminder to let people know that though, because I think,

(14:48):
like I said, when people start talking my Jamay pre
the first name that come out of people with Mariah
carry Usher all of these you know, I'm a hip
hop guy, you know what I mean? I write songs,
you know, with the gift that God gave me. But
I'm I'm from the hip hop world, and that's what
it is. What makes you work with with new artists

(15:08):
like we've seen you did Division's album. What makes you say,
you know what, I'm gonna dive into some of the
new artists that are not mine as well. I mean
that's how I always. I mean, that's always, that's what
I did. Always. I mean, I Usher became a staple
of mind because I did the same thing as I
did with Division. Um, when I did Usher, nobody you
know us, the face was gonna drop Usher. It was like,

(15:29):
you mayne either works, so all of y'all it's out
the door, like you know what I mean. So it's
like I've always been that guy to just like, I
don't have no problem work y'all believe in the artists.
I like the artists. Let's go in the studio. So
I don't I don't never have the I don't even
look at it like that. And I and I and
I had to do that at first. But then when

(15:49):
I did ar Lennox and her record went number one,
I was like, why am I not doing this? For
all these other artists out here? They needed. It ain't
even like a thing that I'm doing for me. They
need it. They need somebody in the studio with them
that can help them take them to the next level.
When you hear the conversation, like when you hear them
say Usher versus Chris Brown in the verses, I think

(16:12):
Chris is dope, but I think Usher got nuclear weapons.
I just think it's a difference between the twenty Usher
would come with and the twenty Chris would come with.
How do you feel about that? I mean, I think
that it's it's it's still, it's once again, it's the same.
It's like hip hop, it's like currency. Right. He got
he got He got way more records than a bunch

(16:32):
of people, right. Um. I think that's where people look
at They think about how many records Chris has and
how many times they hear him. You hear Chris one
hundred million times more than you hear Usher. So I
think that's where people start basing verses on. They don't
they're not you're speaking on songs. People don't even listen

(16:55):
to songs past thirty minutes. Right. I were watching my
daughter player record and the verse don't even get done.
She don't get through sixteen bars, She's going to another song, right,
So they don't measure the songs like you're saying. So
I feel like the young generation they all gonna say
Chris Brown because they're not measuring how big the songs are.
But if you're a song person, you know for sure

(17:15):
what's up. Yeah, so you think I should washing is?
I'm just saying, you know, if you're a song person,
having them songs as mine. So I'm fighting for my records. Yeah,
now I want to ask currency to You've been independent
for a long time? Yeah, now break that back them?
My success like really everything that anybody like really like, No,

(17:37):
the bread, anytime I got picked up money, it was
all through the independent thing. You're independent. You have to
do everything yourself. You have to play paper, ducers, pay
clearances everything. Yeah, does that get tiring? No? I got
I got my homeboy. You know what I'm saying. Musa dude,
you know we we like split everything, so it's easy.
It's easy and shit. So when you had people talking

(17:57):
independent route, do you think I've been doing this for
a long time? An as easy as that they think
or saying I just said it, really because you as
long as you get out your own way and handle
it and stop comparing yourself to other people in these situations, Like,
just just do your work and when you look up,
you know what I'm saying, you realize what you've done
and where you act. That's the whole thing. Independent people

(18:18):
like always you keep working with the phone and watching
what everybody else doing, these people with these machines behind
them and all that shit, then you feel like you're
on the traidmill. If you just do your work, then
then you'll do it. You know, what's the most you
ever got offered from a label, because I know they
offered you, and you know they come with like a
couple of million dollars, But it don't matter at this
point now because like we see it so it's straight.

(18:39):
That's the blessing. I always used to see, like what
Master Pete turned down the deal that they tried to
offer him because he knew what he was making and
the way they structured down. I'm like, yeah, that was dope.
But now we just flat out don't have to talk
to him at all. You know, just fuck it, We're
already making that shit. It's just as much as you
want to roll as many times you want to start
the bust and get on the road, go pick money up.

(19:00):
That's the whole thing with the independent rout You building
your listeners and then you just go to see them
and just just you pretty much a pop up shop yourself.
You just go and travel. People who want to shop,
but you, they're gonna pull up. You're gonna make your bread.
So it's more de touring in the merch that. Yeah,
for sure. The music is like the advertising for everything
else we have. Like I can't speak on jet life,
you know what I'm saying, But as long as we

(19:22):
keep upping the music out, we'll always be able to
move the clothes and ship like that. And we're about
to drop furniture and everything else now, so yeah, yeah, well,
I mean it goes with the lifestyle. You know, you're
doing pretty good, You're probably gonna kick back a little bit,
so you know, we're gonna put out some coutures and
with joint holdings, ash trays and such building you know

(19:42):
what I'm saying, with lumbar support for you to be
stoned and hang out and watch the TV and ship out.
I was gonna ask you what made you create jet Life?
The clothing brand, and you know it'd be nice if
if if you know, you furnish this place a pain,
we could do that, We could do that. We'll definitely
put you out down when we come with the furniture
and we're sending bigger enough boxes of close to everybody.

(20:02):
What made you create that? Because it does so well well.
I always was into like fashion. I always wanted to
like put stuff on and some shit was not out
some ideas that then ship that I missed a lot
of clothing line stopped doing stuff that I liked, and
I was al, I know what to do with Just
do our own ship and keep it in that vein
of the stuff I missed, and that's what works out

(20:23):
for you. Have a surprised with the amount of support
you get from the club A long Yeah, I see
it everywhere Like I am a model, So I am
a model, sir, I am. I am no bro, you
are a great spokeshed person for the brand though I

(20:44):
am a bottle bottle, So look, man, I am surprised
on places where I don't expect to see it. And
motherfucker's having on this and you could tell like that
didn't know that they're having on it. It's not like
some kid gave it to his mom and she's at
the grocery store. I'm talking about people but into the note,
such as yourself, who have it on, like like Nas

(21:04):
after he wins the Gramm, he's got the Jet Life
jacket on and like a lot of it, had a
freestyle that went everywhere, and she had the Jet Life
letting them in jacket on and shit. So it's like,
even though I'm not in those rooms, I'm still in
those rooms and shit. So it's tight because they know
what I mean, you know, so they bring it everywhere
whether they feel like I should be at anyway, So
it's tight. I bet you used to get high and

(21:26):
walk around furniture stores. What nah? You know? I used
to get it roasted and go to the aquarium okay
and stuff like that. Yeah, but not not furniture. So
how did you get a love for furniture? I like
the chill and it's all about finding like comfortable chilling stuff.
So we're gonna make our own the same reason like
I didn't necessity, the same reason we did Jet Life clothing.

(21:48):
You know what I'm saying, Like we need better stuff
to chill on. So I'm gonna feel the void. So
you be sitting in the couch like this. I don't like.
I don't like this. Mother. Yeah, I'm like, you know
what this shit is not. It's not different niggas to
kick it on. So we're working on it. You know
what made your name the album? I mean the record essence?
Oh did well? You want to speak to that? Yeah? Um, well,

(22:12):
it's a it's a rivalry between the Falcons and the Saints.
This is a real thing, right, um. And for the
longest when we first started working, I was like, you know,
if we're gonna do an album. Once we got past
the first ten songs, I kept thinking in my head,
if we're gonna do an album, we have to make
something that speaks to that rivalry. Or we can't act

(22:32):
like because we ain't supposed to be cool when that
game come on, right, So we can't act like we
don't know this, Like, this is something that you know.
If you're from Atlanta, you know that. If you're from
New Orleans, you know that, right. So then we both
start trying to find out why it's a rivalry. But
then it's also a love there. It's a love that
you know if you're from Atlanta. You talk about going
to Essence Fest in January, it don't happen to July. Right,

(22:57):
This is something we prepare for all like the top
of the year. People like it, you know, they're getting
their clothes ready in January to go to New Orleans. Um,
and I feel like, um, it's vice versa. When people
come to Atlanta for the games from New Orleans. They
come out there and they have a good time. They
love the city. So it's a love hate situation, and um,
I think the one thing that brings that love and

(23:18):
that hate together is the Essence Fest. Right, So it
was just only right. And then once we got to
bounce the record, and it was to bounce and the vibe,
and he had never wrapped over a record like that,
now that he's a full fledged professional artist, Um, it
just made sense to like bring all of that in
and not leave one piece of that out. And I

(23:40):
think the Essence Fest brings every piece of the fact
that the first time you heard Get the Game, oh yeah,
I heard it at a party and that's when first
heard so you know the way my mind worked, I'm like, Noah,
that's it. The gavel dropped right, now that's the name.
That's the name of it. That's a New Orleans classic, right, yeah,
I told him, like it's in the fiber of all

(24:02):
the music that ever came out after it from New Orleans.
Everybody who rapped has rapped over that beat. Like the
first rap you ever wrote was over that, I promise.
Like in the club you ever been to, you could
have been eleven years old. They knew you could rap.
That was the beat they put off you can rap,
and you had to rap over that ship like straight up,

(24:23):
so everybody knows it. JD. Did you create one or
six apart? Yeah, I mean, you know, see the funny
part about this. The funny part about this is that, um,
I didn't. I didn't speak about I mean, I'm a CEO, right,
So this this goes into the world of like what

(24:45):
were just talking about. If you don't see Jermanity pre working,
you don't see me doing what we gotta do, then
you're gonna always you're not gonna believe anything that happens,
right because I wasn't when Charlemagne just said I wanted
to reverse this and ask you a question, when you said,
get the respect that I'm supposed to get How do
you feel when you see something that you didn't think
was gonna work? That's mine and it works. How do

(25:09):
you feel about that? I mean, I don't know. It
shouldn't make you feel anyone. You probably don't care. But
I'm just saying, like, I never thought about it. But
if I'm thinking about it, I'm like, well, why would
anybody doubt somebody who's made several things work? Okay, But
I'm saying so when I brought the kids from the
rap game here, remember this, he was like, I want
to see no kids? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah out of here. Yeah.

(25:32):
So that's what I'm saying. How does that make you
feel like? It? Don't make you feel like, oh, I
you know, because I'm saying that's that's what That's what's happened, right.
So that's the same thing that's happened here, right if
you what I should say is j D congratulations again. Yeah,
but nobody says that. Don't want to congratulations. But I'm saying, um,

(25:54):
I say that to say that if I if I
wouldn't have brought them here. Y'all saw the kids. You've
seen them from scratch before there was ever anybody If
you didn't see it and nobody else and people have
forgot about that show at this point. And I said,
I created a TV show that introduced you to Loto.

(26:14):
Somebody would challenge that. Somebody would challenge you and say, no,
you didn't and you know what I mean. Like, so
it's the same thing when when when I saw MTV
TRL right, I used to drive down the street because
we was working. I was working here, I drive that street.

(26:35):
I see all these kids outside on in Tom Square
and I'm like, damn, why black kids don't have a
show like this? Right Meanwhile, I'm making the BAA record
and I'm like, BT needs to do this now. If
they had this idea and they mind prior to me
saying this, then God blessed them. But I'm saying, what

(26:56):
artists was they gonna launch that show with? Because I
provided the artists that made that show what that show became. Right.
It wasn't no Chris Brown before Bow. It wasn't no
Little Romeo before Bow. It wasn't no littles. And I
think somebody got mad at me for saying the little
because I ki it was a little Kim And I'm

(27:24):
clearing this up. I meant the littles of his era,
not the little John's Yes, a little person forever. I'm
just saying, I'm talking about all of little Romeos Zane,
Like who I mean, I don't know, you know, I
mean these people that came and that bow wow Lane,
That's what I meant. But I'm what I'm I'm still saying.

(27:46):
If people don't realize that, you know, that's why people
don't even understand that I'm the one who gave Biow
the name is the one those six and part BT
didn't give him that name, So why would I name
him that? You know what I'm saying, Like, why would
I put that in a verse to say I'm missed
the one THO six and part So why wouldn't Stephen
Hill just acknowledge that because he said it wasn't true?

(28:07):
Just didn't create one. Um, I believe that. You know
I didn't work at B two, right, So if you
and I have a conversation, you don't come back to
this office and tell everybody I talked to Jermaine for
two hours, three hours on the phone. You're just gonna
come back in here and say, Envy, let's do this.
I don't do that I'd like to give people their credit. Yeah,
but I mean it wasn't about me. I didn't. I don't.

(28:29):
I didn't want the credit for one those six and
part right, I'm not even saying I'm not speaking on
it now about me wanting the credit. What I was
speaking on on that show was the fact that what
I do for my artist right when when you are
part of what I'm doing, I'm gonna call envy and
be like dog they said we couldn't come to the
Breakfast Club. What's happening. I'm gonna take that extra mile

(28:50):
to do what I have to do to make sure
that my artists get that stretch right. And that's all
I was saying. I put a call in to Stephen
Hill and say, Yo, we need to do a show
that looks like blah blah blah blah blah because I
have this new artist by the name of bow Wow.
If that is that me making it, I don't know,

(29:11):
but I know that that's what happened. So you know
what I'm saying. And people can take however they want
to take it. I don't understand you and bow All
the relationship. Yeah, why don't you just grabbing put them
in the headline give him a nugget and then y'all family.
When he says things like he regrets signing to you,
it's like, we your JD made you a superstar. It's

(29:33):
also it's all I think. I think the outside world.
You know, it's the same thing I said, you kids
of today and this generational hip hop, we have a
lost appreciation for things, right And that's why I said
about being with currency, it's it's you. Everywhere I go,
I'm seeing people don't have appreciation for hip hop and

(29:55):
that has become a thing in hip hop now, to
not appreciate the things that came and got you to
this space, right. Um, and he was it was like
a father figured him. Yeah, but I know he was
like his sudden I feel like the outside world makes
you not appreciate that. That's what I'm saying. It's that's
what it does. It's it's the hip hop word. Are

(30:17):
we live in right now? Don't appreciate shit, like for real,
Like when I wore the hot top fade the other
day in the video, right, it's people on there that's
so much more concerned with me thinking that I want
to wear this at at my age and saying I'm
going to a midlife crisis, as opposed to looking at
it and saying, damn, that's some shit. That hip hop.

(30:39):
That's what you would do if you was what hip
hop did, right. Hip Hop made niggas do any and everything,
and we never had a problem. We never questioned it.
It was because it was hip hop. And now if
you do something that hip hop makes you do, or
if you even try to this, no appreciation for it.

(31:01):
And that's that's I think that's where that is. And
I feel like ba Wow is in that space where
he has to deal with you guys. He has to
deal with younger guys. And the media definitely don't appreciate nothing, right.
They just they don't. They don't. They don't until it's
until it's over with. But it's just certain people like

(31:21):
I'm never gonna fight with Right, and we can fight
behind the scenes. I'm never gonna fight with Clue, Right,
that's that's my brother. I'm never gonna fight with Fab.
Even you, I'm not gonna fight with you. You know,
we could get into an argument, but it just seems
something else was there, which is just hard to understand
because I mean, I will fight but fighting argue. You
know what I mean, But yeah, I don't. I mean,
I only have no reason to argue. I mean, I

(31:41):
feel like I understand it. I understand don't. Yeah, that's
what I'm saying. But you but but that's what I'm saying.
You don't. You don't understand it because you haven't had
to deal with a person that has to go through this.
This a rapper, right, you're a rapper. You say this,
you're a rapper, and people challenge you. If you write
your lyrics, people challenge you on this, people challenge you

(32:02):
on that that that it's hard for a person to
actually deal with that, um, if you're not prepared for it. Right, me, Like,
I don't give a fuck with nobody will say about
me because I know what I do and I know
I'm out doing everything the damn and everybody else is doing,
so I'm not even paying no attention to it. But
the majority of people, they can't deal with it. That's

(32:23):
why that's why the instagram is where the instagram is,
because every time somebody says something, people look right, and
that's I feel like that's where he is. He gets
caught up in that and he's got caught up in
that a lot, Right, without me being around, he got
caught up in that they's created or what the bow
I challenge. I wouldn't a part of that, Right, How
do you deal with that as a person? Right? He

(32:45):
had to deal with it and you killed him. Right,
it's just listening to know what I'm saying, you know
what I mean. And it's like when a person is
dealing with that, they become they just get tight and
they want to you know what i mean. So then
you want to try to like make it seem like
you got it all you hand, you got it all
on you know, it's you got it, it's your it's

(33:06):
my thing. So it's like, you know, it's just a
situation where you gotta you gotta know how to deal
with it. And you don't get coaching by this. I
didn't coach him that. I didn't teach him how to
deal with that part of life. But he asked to
know somebody eventually gonna do that to him too, and
they do do it like people will take away act
like wo has just always been on Instagrams like full
fledged superstar. Yeah, I mean that's what I'm saying. It's

(33:28):
no appreciation for anything in hip hop anymore. Damn you
feel like we currency too. No, as he's saying it,
I'm peeping it around like that. That that is insane.
They just wipe that all out. That's crazy. You feel
like people don't have appreciation of hip hop. I feel
like what people don't have an appreciation for hip I
have appreciation for things? What what brought what brought them

(33:49):
into it? Like what made you want to do it?
That's all? You know what I'm saying. It's not it's
not why why you want to do it? Everybody's doing
it now like the same reason everybody started selling friendship puppets,
like they just wanted to get money. It's just a flip,
you know what I'm saying. It's not no real love
in it. Are you selling front of puppies? Yeah? People

(34:11):
see that. That's the way, Like that's the new dope.
So they're like, fucking let's just do this right quick.
Let me ask you a question. J D and Puff
is supposed to do versus who you got your money?
I'll roll with j D at basically based on all
of the shit that I'm finding out, like oh you
did this, you did that, Like yesterday I had like
a revelation. I'm like, I don't know how this would

(34:33):
actually look when you're ragining these artists, like people gonna
be the same way. I was shocked, and I think
I'm like bun in the game. I know everything. You
know what I'm saying, But I was like knocked on
my ass yesterday or some shit. So that's what it's
gonna be. A whole arena of people like, oh you
know he did? Oh wait, all right, well yesh shit,

(34:54):
I don't know. Goddamn you know like that, that's what's
gonna happen. That's the way I see it straight up. Like,
I don't know. I don't know how many records puffle
bring out that I'm going back. I didn't know that
I think I know? Ever, did I think I know it?
You know? So how do you feel about it, J
because a lot of people don't don't. Yeah, I mean,

(35:14):
like I said, I I just look at it. I
actually see it. I see the chart, right, you know
what I mean. It's like, um, but like you said,
it's not only the records, it's also what that record
did for the culture, right, Yeah, you know what I mean.
I'm it's like I said, I'm not. I'm like I
said about the Chris Brown thing. I believe that in
versus world, people won't give it to us because of

(35:40):
the way the mindset has been, you know, been treated.
We've done that battle in him with kids, Like with
kids like that twenty five twenty six Usher catalog still
rings timeless to them because their parents was listening to us.
Oh I forgot about that. Oh I forgot about it. Yes,

(36:00):
I mean, but you know, like I said, I feel
I feel like it's it's I mean, I'm the underdog.
I'm not even tripping on that though I'm the underdog.
That's not true though, I mean, I'm not and that
and that thing. It was a Vegas card. I think
that you know, everybody the favor would be, you know

(36:22):
that he would be, that he would be the underdog.
I'm talking to me that people who haven't paid attention there, No,
they haven't. But that's what I'm saying. I'm the underdog
because it's like people who everybody, everybody sits around and
they say they're the ones who are running this bit.
They sit around and they say he can't match up,
and they only talking about big That's it how long
I've been saying that. That's all he said. You just
say big, he said rap. That's why I said take

(36:42):
out It should be an R and B remix versus
take Out the Road because you can't be big records
because not only because they're great records of nostalgia, big immortal. Yeah,
I mean, that's that's that's the only reason why people
say he can't match up because they're talking about big,
and they're talking about big. You're talking about big, biggest big.
But I'm saying, it's if it was a fight, I

(37:04):
don't go into the fight thinking I'm not gonna get punched.
You know what I'm saying. It's just when I throw
mine and when he throw is That's what it is.
It ain't about he got punches. I got punches too,
you know what I'm saying. It is what it is. Is
Is its gonna happen for real? Or is it just
just talk? No, It's gonna happen. It's it's it's it's
it's bigger than what people think. What we want to
do is bigger than what what everybody's thinking about, and

(37:26):
we want to make sure that you know it. Come
across the way it's supposed to come. Acros'll do it.
You'a gotta do figure out how to do two, because
you can't just do one in Atlanta. You gotta do
one like Atlanta in New York. You gotta got to
pick a neutral location to be honest or something. You
gotta do what you gotta do. Atlanta, gotta do Atlanta,
you got you gotta do New York. Gotta do Apollo,

(37:48):
and you gotta do R and B in remixes. Do
R and B in one city, hip hopping another. And
see the problem with the remixes. I saw somebody saying
this the other day, Right, half a Bad Boy remixes
idea right, So the Big Popper remix, I did it right,
right the Total and Craig I mean total and Keith Furry,

(38:08):
I did it right total, first first record that ever
came out, got Brad on it right. It's it's it's
how do you score that? How do you score that?
You gotta drop those out. You can't drop them out.
That's what I'm saying. It's like, you know, so you
do the remake. But I saw somebody saying, but in
New York, we ain't played at JD remix, and I

(38:30):
was like, oh, okay, my remix. Yes, we did the
Biggie the Big Poper remix. I don't I'm just saying
I'm seeing people say that on Twitter, but I'm just saying.
It's it's it's either way you do it. You know,
it's it's gonna be a fight whether we in New
York or were in the Atlanta. Either way, what came first?
Was it we invented the remix bad Boy album or
the definition of a remix Social Death album? Um, I

(38:52):
think mine was coming first. And I don't know. I
don't know which one came out, you know, but I
mean still I don't know. I mean, the remix thing
has always gonna battle between us. But it's it's interesting,
like I said, because Puff was using me for remixes.
It's not like I was a challenge for him. Back then.

(39:15):
It was like go to j D and get a
remix for Big Papa, Go to j D and get
a remix for a total um that. You know. I
always wondered how much influence did you in Atlanta have
on Big because you know, we saw you saw y'all
in big videos, a lot of all Big in y'all videos,
and I remember hearing somebody said Big, I think it
was Jays. Somebody said Big was gonna move to Atlanta.
At one point. We're trying to get everybody by houses

(39:36):
in Atlanta. I mean, well, I don't know about that,
but he and I spoke, Me and him talk all
the time because we was on tour. It was me,
Bratt and Craig Mac. We was all on tour UM
and we was doing like the Chitland Circuit. And in
that Chitland circuit run, Craig Mac was the hottest, then
Bratt and then Big, and Big was frustrated with the

(39:57):
fact that his records aren't as popular as Functified and
Flavoring at the time. UM. And that's actually how I
got to do the remix, because Big felt like he
needed me to get into that space where Bratt was.
The record was out during that time Juicy Jure in
New York, the Chitland Circuit, but the Chitland Circuit around

(40:21):
where we lived in Atlanta, they hadn't they hadn't caught yet. So,
like I said, the Flavoring your ear didn't Functified and
then Juicy, I mean people were working with it but
they weren't. They weren't like Head over Hills, and it
was driving him crazy. And he talked to me every
day about doing a remix, and I finally did Big
popa remix, and then that's when we did the B

(40:42):
side with him at Bratt. He came to Atlanta. And
when he came to Atlanta, yeah, he probably you know,
because I brought him to College Park. He came to
my hood and did that song, so he probably soaked up.
I need to move out here. That's basically the same
thing that happens to everybody when they come out there.
You see what one last day thing? You see what
young Jock said about you? And did he said the

(41:03):
different between you? And did he that? Did he understands
marketing and that's what he got over well, I think
he said that. Did he took his artist tree him
as an artist more serious than me. Um, he's right,
I'm I'm I'm I'm all about making new artist. I'm
all about putting Oh, I was all about putting out artists.

(41:24):
You know, even like this this album, the incurrency got Um,
I'm rapping on the record, but I'm not rapping all
over the record because you know, what I mean, that's
that's who I am. I'm a producer first, and I've
always been that way, and I think that that's you know,
that's one thing that he was saying. But even the
job Jock was signed and Social Death for one day
before that Bad Boy deal and Block and Block switched

(41:47):
it and they went to bad Wood. I didn't do
that that he signed. If he signed, I'm saying he
was signed because the person who produced the record was
signed to me as a producer. So Nitya signed the
Social Defensive producer. So I wasn't even thinking about, Like
I wasn't even pressing because I'm like, I know this
is my song, like we were said Virgin at this time,

(42:10):
Like I know this song is coming over here. It's easy, right,
And I had already had the franchise where he's having
all the success. I'm like, it's no way, possibly you
don't give us this record. If you find the first
version of it's going down it says Social Deaf at
the beginning of the record, right. So I was cool,
like clearly like, oh we got this. I went to sleep,
woke up the neck morning. How did that happen? I mean,

(42:34):
I didn't sign. I didn't actually sign him, right, It's like,
you signed to me, and I know you're gonna do
the right thing for song and you already doesn't say
social deaf at the beginning of the record. So I'm like, oh,
it's got my tag, it's got a tag on it already,
were cool. I'm gonna go to sleep, you know what
I mean. So yeah, it was that. That was that situation.

(43:00):
What it's going down? That's puty because I was even
thinking about that. We're having these conversations about the South
and how the South don't get respect. Like I saw
Jock in the interview in the person interview in him
was like, how does it feel to have a career
for twenty years with just one hit? And I'm sitting
there thinking, like Jack got like seven to eight off.
That's that's that slight I'm talking about yet slighted. But

(43:22):
you ever go back and think about the fight that
you would had to do that, I think a lot
of people don't know, which opened the doors for a
lot of those Southern artists. That's That's one of the
other statements I said in that interview that people was
like Jermin's it's all cap it's just Cap and I'm like,
all right, listen. It was a time in New York
when Southern Rappers was not on the radio at one, two, three,

(43:45):
four or five o'clock in the afternoon, right, and I
was frustrated. I'm like, you know what, we gotta figure
out how to get in. I hired Envy to introduce
me to the streets in New York and move around
down so I could be able to be so people
to see my face and be more out here. Nobody

(44:05):
from the South beat the streets like me. You noticed
rights and the way that we beat the streets, and
we made never Scared permanent state record in New York.
We put Cameron and Buster runs, and we did everything
to make sure that that the South was, you know,
represented well in this town. Um. And then the young

(44:29):
Blood's record, and these two records became so popular in
New York alone that you heard them like there was Atlanta.
And to me, that was the beginning of all of
these other records being heard on the radio the way
they heard today. And if I'm wrong, then I don't remember,
but I remember they told JD. Oh, I think they

(44:49):
liked me. Yeah, they told j D to take the
franchise boys off, just leave it ja may dupree. And
that's the only way that they were gonna spin it
in New York. So there was no mind playing tricks
on me. Didn't play no no limits, not like this.
We I'm talking about mid no mix show. All the
records was mixed show. I'm talking about no mix show.

(45:10):
Just you turn on the radio and you hit these records.
You never heard the song outcast, not like this, not
like wow wow. With everybody selling their catalog, you think,
y'all two whatever we think about selling, y'all. Uh, I
understand how why people do it? You know what I'm saying.
So I don't know. They called me with four hundred
million dollars, all right, what's you know? How many generations

(45:34):
of us are gonna be okay off this four hundred tickets?
You know, maybe we'll fucking do it. I don't know.
I'm waiting for all my reversions, y'all. Don't hear people
talk about that much. But I'm waiting on mine because
everything that came out of ninety two is coming back
to me one percent. Everything that came back in ninety three,
ninety four is coming back to me. One hundred percent.
I wrote one hundred percent of all of Escape Records.

(45:57):
I wrote one hundred percent of Chris Cross, I wrote
one hundred percent of Usher My Way. When the record
I'm when they come back, which when they come back,
because you'll have a deal with with Sony as a
publishing situation, but the reversions it comes back to me
and I don't have a deal with them. So when
when when the reversions come back and somebody walk up

(46:19):
and you know, and they got that ticket heat talk about,
and you know it might be it might be a
conversation explaining that JD. Because you've always been the CEO.
So I didn't like, even with writers, you have to
give over some of the you make either make a
publishing deal when you're younger, right, I made a publishing
deal when I was like what nineteen, That's when that's
when I got my money. They gave me. You know,

(46:40):
you give them a million dollars. That's the first million
dollars I got from that Sony UM. And it's like
a joint. It's like a fifty fifty split publishing situation. UM,
and then you know it. I've been over there since
I was nineteen, which is a long time. But you know,
they get all the songs, so all the songs that
you make, they go into this thing and you and

(47:01):
you know, I recouped two three times. Right. I could
have left a bunch of times, but I stayed. And
you know, so I'm just waiting now too, because I never,
by the way, when I started writing songs to hear
that in twenty five years you get your reversions or whatever.
I never even thought I'd make it that long. So
I'm saying I'm here, I'm past that point at this
point now. So now I'm like, shit, come on, so damn.

(47:26):
At one point, Michael Jackson, don't have your publish Yeah,
did y'all ever talk about that? Nah, it's it's not
it's not even thought about from that type of perspective.
But yet because I mean at the time when no,
but no, because that was after you, That was after
because Sony, it was it was m I at first.
So so Sony bought em I, Michael Jackson bought he

(47:49):
bought the company that that I was in business with
at that point, or a TV or whatever it is,
and that, um, that's when they turned it in't there?
So at first? Nah, the beginning of my career wasn't
like that. But later on it yeah, later on. Wow,
did you see the Janet Jackson documentary? And of course
you've seen it and people people were trying to get
you to get back with Janet. Did you see that?
Like the memes are going on and saying that that

(48:11):
y'all will be a perfect couple. You ever thought you
ever thought about rekindling that? Uh? I don't think I
thought about it started thing I'm sitting around thinking about,
you know, if it happened, it happened. Even when you're
smoking with currency that high grade week don't cross your mind.

(48:33):
I tried. I tried for the two years, and knowing
them to pass him a joint, you don't get out,
not even close. He smoked hoopers. You still get high currency.
Does it still impact you in that way? No, it's
just you know, it just levels everything else. Yeah, you know,
I think I get high higher the more sober I get, Like,
the further removed away from weed I am, Like if
I'm stuck in the airport or something, I start like

(48:54):
being hilarious, I'm becoming more sober. Yeah, you still think
you got a great ear j D. A great era
the greatest, you know what I mean as far as um.
But I mean I think I think it's like I
said once again, I feel like it's unappreciated, um because
people don't care about that anymore. You know what I mean.

(49:17):
People don't. They don't care if you find an amazing singer, Um,
they want to know if that amazing singer. Like it's
like crazy, Like if a person is actually really really
talented and they come from church, they probably only got
like two followers on Instagram right the business that we end.
They could be Aretha Franklin and you could take them

(49:39):
to the label right now, and they will be like,
do she got one hundred thousand followers? We'll wait till
she comes. We'll wait and come back and see when
when you got a little bit of followers, what is that? Right?
So it's like to question my ear. That's that's my ears.
I'll find a Reta Franklin and somebody will be like,

(50:00):
I don't know about that. About that, Yeah, it's about
who she's dating. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. If
she got to fight somewhere as their footage of it, now,
let's drop this. I think that's how people felt about
the Division record though, it was like, this record feels
like a gimmick as opposed to a classic R and
B record that a j D would be attached to.

(50:22):
I don't, well, you know what I think. This is
what I think is I think that it's the fifth album. Right. So,
first of all, the people that think they're saying that
they just learned who they were through me, that's true
my channels. My channels are very much hey, hey, hey,
right if they're on a fifth album, how is it
a gimmick. It's like it's a fifth record, right, Um,

(50:45):
you just learned about Division. You just found out who
they were because they got a Recordd's on a radio, right,
and Jamaine Dupre and Brian Cox did the song cool.
And it's controversial because it's saying something, but you just,
you know, I just think. I think, I I honestly
feel like what Chris Rock has been saying, the selective
outrage outrage weighs heavy on me. It just does because

(51:10):
you know, right now, Division has one of the biggest
songs on TikTok with the touch It right, and people
keep complaining that I keep overposting it. I'm like, it's
my record what I'm supposed to do, right, And it's
like when other people do that, don't abo they do it?

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They do it when I do it? Yeah. See, so
that's what it is. I just think it's that selective
outrage and it's it's you know, you can say that,
but you just learned who division was Jda Curcy gotta go.
Oh last question escape? Who opens up? Who? We just
heard that discussion this week. I went here for both
of y'all think about it on the records they got um.

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If I was still if I was still like the
Frank running mindset of Escape, I would escape it open wow,
because the pain that they're gonna put in before you know,
coming coming after Escape is hard. They really sing. It's
not like a you know, fuck all the bickering and beef.

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They really can sing, right. So it's like, and I'm
not saying as WV can't but oh yeah, I'm not
saying they can't sing. I'm just saying I've always had
that mindset. I've all always had that mindset about me
as a as a as an entertainer, like let me
go first, right, because I feel like it's harder for

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the person to figure out what they gotta do afterwards.
I remember saying jay Z saying that he he went
on after DMX one night and DMX took his shirt
off and he started pouring water on him and he
was backstage like, Man, what the fuck I'm gonna do
when I come out there? That is the mindset that
you had right until you get out. Then the crowd
make it different. But put that pressure on the person

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to make them sit back then and try to figure
out what they're gonna do when they come out. That's
what I would do. Yeah, I think I think they
should do different markets, right as WV New York. Certain
areas I think they should close, but Atlanta escape out
of closing Atlanta. Yeah, Like I said, I wouldn't even
argue about it. I just because I don't I personally
feel like that that that closing first thing. I feel

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like that's just all it's mental. I remember going to
the Triple Threat concert, right, and it was Albi Shure
uh BBD and I want to say, Bobby Brown right,
and you know I love all of them. BBD was

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busting Bobby Brown ass. You know, for the time period
that they came in, Bobby brought you know, he did
he had to do and pulling up the rib. But
I'm just saying them being where they were, it wasn't
a bad slot. It's not a thing that I was
thinking about, like, damn, BBD should have closed. They was
killing it. I mean, poison was at the height at

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poison at the time when I saw this, so it
felt like they should have closed. But you know, when
when Bobby came on and Tenderni and all these records
came on, you realize why he was the closer, right,
So I just feel like me personally, I look at
that performance slot thing different. All right, Well, ladies and gentlemen, yeah,
make sure you pick up the album they do precuracy

(54:29):
motivational use only. All right, Well, it's the Breakfast Club
is JD and Curacy, y'all? Yeah, wake that ass up
in the morning. Breakfast Club