August 17, 2015 • 45 mins
Jill Scott Discusses New Album 'Woman' And Offers Relationship Advice
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Real people, real celebrity joined the Breakfast Yep, the world
was dangerous morning show the Breakfast Club. He turned it on.
Jill quietly like to talk to guests before the interview,
you know, I like to wait until the interviewed you
at all and yeah, fake looking at my phone until
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the interview started. But we got Jill Scott here. What's
up y'all, Julie from Philly, good to see you. Yes,
it's great to have Jill Scott here. And I will
say Charlotte Magne went to go see you perform in Brooklyn.
I was surprised because we can't get him to go nowhere.
I've seen you perform at least fifteen times because I
used to I told you before. We used to go
to the Sugar Water Festival all the time when it
was you and Erica Badou and Flower Tree and Queen Latifa. Like,
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I've seen you perform countless about the times, but not
in Brooklyn. Let me tell you something. I had no
choice too. It was one of those things. My wife
was like, hey, Joe Scott, is matter of fact you
want to go to the concert in Jersey. But I
was busy. So it happened in Brooklyn's woman keV Holiday
made that happen for me, so we went that was monumental. Yes,
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congratulations on the new album thank You. I like Cruising.
I think it's my favorite song on there. I also
like Food's Gold and I like um Closure And I
want to talk about closure for a second, Okay, because
I was having a conversation when one of my friends, right,
and that song is really about like having sex with
somebody for the last time for closure. You really think
that's a good idea, m I think it can work. Hey,
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listen any Portland storms where I'm where I am with it.
If it could work, it's worked. But do you think
it's possible though, because it's like you do it that
one last time, you're like, man, I can't let this go.
And plus when you do it that last time, you're
trying to do it like the best you've ever done it,
so that he feels like, Okay, I don't want to
maybe maybe not for me. I've had that experience and
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that last one was not the best one. I'm trying
too hard. But my feet were already on my way out,
you know what I mean. I knew this was it.
It's wrap it's the last time, and making a conscious
decision and then actually saying all right, I'm gonna give
my body this one more time. But making that conscious
decision and the second gas or regret or anything. What's
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the point of that? Though? Like why not just why
can't a phone conversation just the end? Sometimes phone calls
work with some people, Sometimes they don't, you know what
I mean? Like I said, any port in a storm,
when you're trying to get away from something that's not
necessarily beneficial to you. If the conversation you had, that conversation, look,
we're not gonna do this anymore. You know, it was great,
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but you know, I went more for my life and
then here you come again or smelling like that, you know,
and then all of a sudden you change your mind
and next thing, you know, you're kind of right back
where you started. And then you got to go through
the whole thing again. When somebody has that that you know,
that thing, it's really challenging to to walk away from it.
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But you know, that same thing that you used to
love when you was in love and now you know
you don't want to be with them anymore, is the
same thing that would end up, irritating you. Yeah, but
this was This is not about a love relationship. This
is about two people that are friends, homely love of friends,
if you will, and we have a great time. But
in order to get more and more, in order to
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have a well balanced relationship, you know, a participant in
your life, not just somebody that comes in and makes
a good real quick and disappears. I'm talking about a partnership.
In order to have that, you gotta make way. You
gotta make room. And and that's my opinion. I really
feel like you got to you gotta clear some stuff out,
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you know that in order to let that in. That's
the reason for the closure, because other than that, you
still got this other thing that can hold you back
from where you really want to go. You know, I
was watching the documentary on Central. I don't know if
the Docmunity is like you perform a live woman. Yeah,
and you seem like you're in a great space with love,
like you was talking about love and it's like your
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eyes will water and I'm like, well, who is banging
jails back out? That got hurt feeling? Well, I can
say this, it's more than it's more than sex way
way way way more than that, And that's that's that's
the goal, that's the that's the the game, that's the
end game. You know, more than just my physicality being
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appeased or pleased or stimulated or titillated. It's more than that,
you know, it's the rest of it. To have a
partner that's on your team, that will hold up their
end plus yours if you need it. That's what I'm
talking about. There's a difference, and you're willing to hold
up their end if they need it. Absolutely, It's it's
a beautiful giving take. No, you was talking like this
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person that killed somebody for you before, like you like
you love this individual you was talking about. I'm sitting
on the couch like that. I really don't recall talking
about anyone though. You was talking in general about love.
You was like, you know, and love when you find
that one you because that is a part of observation
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as well. I'm a voyeur. I watch people like for instance,
I met I met a musician the other day. I
loved watching him talk to his wife. I love looking
at her when she when he wasn't looking right. I
love watching her look at him. I was like, this
is what I'm talking about, right, you know, it's it's
I'm just paying attention to what I see, and I'm
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seeing a beautiful resurrection of relationships, people that genuinely are
about that life for each other, and they have their
stuff with them, but it's their stuff, right, you know
what I mean? What kind of space? Where are you
in doing this album? Um? What kind of place was
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I in? I was in a couple of places. Yeah,
because I hear different thing. Yeah. Well, the album is
like a journal, you know. So you if you've ever
kept a journal, I have since I was twelve. But
when you look through it, you've got sometimes you you're
every page, every day you're writing in your journal, and
then sometimes you're you miss months, right, you know. So
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I'm strolling through the journal, looking through and I see
this part of myself, and I see this part of myself,
and that's kind of how the album really worked. Different
parts of your life, different pieces, and it's not necessarily
my life. Like I said, I'm a voyeur. I listened
to a lot of women. I listened to older women,
I listen to younger women. I listen and I listen
to men too. People talk to me for whatever reason
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I let them, Oh, I think you'd make an amazing
life coach, thanks an amazing like psychiatrist type person you
would go to to tell your problems and then you
would give advice to Well, I play. That was one
of the plans before music. Yeah, or you would just
go psychology. I was about to really change the last
one minute and decided to teach English. Really, yeah, what
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made you? What made you want to be a psychiatrist
to begin with? Well, I enjoyed listening, and I thought
that I could help, you know, if I, you know,
have a balanced perspective on stuff, that I might be
able to help somebody. That's interesting. I went to school
and I took psychology and it was too hard, and
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I dropped that as the only class average job because
it was way harder than I thought it was gonna be.
And then I ended up being an English major. Right
after that, I did that, I didn't go to college.
When I tried to go to college, psychology and I
bought the book, but I never went to class. I
just ended up reading the book. Those books. Yeah, that
psychology book was like this thing. Yeah, I was like,
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I don't know if this classes for me. Those books
are really expensive, which is one of the reasons why
I know, I know you guys are, But I ended
up starting Blues Baby Foundation because I wanted to pay
for people's books. Right, Like I couldn't afford my books.
I could afford school. I could get to school. Was
I wearing the same clothes a couple of times a week? Yeah,
you know, I'm trying to second hand books like I
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got the second hand so I could get right right,
that was a lot. That was a lot. No, I
clean toilets now now, um, you said something very interesting
in the Huffington Post I read. You said, being being
an artist you're talking about Bill Cobby. You said being
an artist and a black man that is beloved is
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one of the most dangerous positions that you can be in.
Can you elaborate on that. Well. I remember the day
when I was in New Jersey and I saw every
kid with an Allen iverson Jersey, on every kid everywhere,
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and I thought to myself, he's in trouble, right, He's
in trouble. When you are looked past your skin and
at your talent, When you look past your skin and
at what you bring to something that people love, that
means You're beloved beyond the color of your skin or
your race and all of that. And it was maybe
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a month later that he was on the cover of
the Daily News in Philadelphia with his braids out, and
he was about maybe two shades darker on the cover,
and then he was It was like they had vilified him,
you know that quick. Bringing a lot of light and
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attention to the prospect of a human being simply being
a human being, coming from a black man is dangerous
in my opinion. Look at what happened to Michael Jackson,
look at what happened to Kevin Clash. I'm talking about Elmo,
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how he was so beloved by everyone. I'm not trying
to dismiss the fact that people that folks have done
some terrible foul things. With the understanding that men all
have proclivities, rich ones, smart ones, dumb ones, backwoods ones,
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all men have proclivities. That just means something that's natural
to you, that you like, that's probably really bad. Yea.
So we forget our heroes are human, forget that they're human.
But what I see is at our heroes and and
please understand, I'm from North Philly, but Cosby is from
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North Philly. That man was like a father to me.
He showed me everything about life that I did not
see in North Philadelphia, not just because I watched the
television shows, but I did watch them. I watched the
Cosby Show. I mean, I watched the Cosby Show. I
watched that Albert Different world made me want to go
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to college. College. Ain't nobody around my way going into college.
I appreciate and respect that legacy. Still, that's a man. Still,
that's a man. And I've always been about that with
fame and famous people, but I I felt the need
to remember the Kevin clashes and the Michael Jackson's and
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how people were really trying to destroy that legacy. What's
the dude's name, Phil Spector. He killed a woman, tried
and convicted, but he's still in the Rock and roll
Hall of Fame. If I'm not mistaken, Elvis like them young,
I'm I'm not saying that this is right. I'm saying
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that all men have proclivities, and I really feel that
whatever is done to some do to all, don't decimate
the legacy of the good. You're trying to tell me,
You're trying to tell me they're regardless of how much
good I do in the world. If I do something bad,
just something terrible, everything else gets pushed away. You forget
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and you think this is something that happens with black man.
And then you look particular a Phil Specter who still
is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame even
though he murdered someone and another Harrilson has had sex
with his um step daughter or whatever whatever. She was
adopted not white men can't jump my bad. Yes, they
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had an adopted daughter and he ended up marrying her. Yes,
And what was it great Balls of Fire? Wasn't that movie?
Um Jim, who was it? Buddy Holly? I mean it happened.
It has happened in Latin history. And now they're saying
with Bill Cosby, get all his TV shows up the air,
Spellming no longer one. I think that's why scholarship program
they took down his statue. I think that's why. The
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reason I think that's why is because like what Jill
just said about a different world inspired her to want
to go to college, and my homegirl, jazz Fly, she
has just saying what she says, we have to learn
to separate the art from the artists. The art helped
and benefited a lot. The artists may be flawed, but
the art made you want to go to college. Wagner
a notorious racist, but incredible musician and composer. I mean
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the history and list of men with dirty, terrible things.
And guess what, the more money you get, the more
easily and more apt you are to do the worst things,
because they've always been in you. There it is. If
nobody's helped you or or guided you or stopped you
from being the worst you could be, and they're lifting
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you up and just you know, allowing you to do
the worst things, you're gonna do it. Probably, So what
do you think should happen then? In that case, in
a Belle Cosby situation? Ah, what do I think should
happen to him? Yeah? Like what should happen? What should
the repercussions be? I mean a lot of these crimes,
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alleged crimes, were committed so long ago it's passed statute
of limitation. I think the best thing for mister Cozle
to do right now is pass away because the slander
turned to simplathy. Just like that, they did the same
thing to Michael. They vilified Michael. Then when Michael passed.
He was the hero again, that's what they say, though
they say you either died a hero or a live
long enough to become a villain. I was told, I
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don't know if it's true or not that the first
person to accuse Michael Jackson of their father committee suicide.
I mean, I don't know. I don't know either. I
just heard that. I don't know if it's true or not.
All that's this is a show that's not based on facts. Yeah,
I mean, all I'm saying is that looking at the
big picture was the reason that I could not could
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not make any real decisions other than love. If it's
your father, if it's your dad, and fifty, let's say sixty,
let's say a hundred people say so something terrible about
your father, the one that's raised you, the one that's
been there, the one that took care of your skin, knees.
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And I'm not saying this because I saw the man
on television. Bill Cosby has been good to me, officially
good to me. North Philly girl, doing well, reaching out,
how you're doing? You need anything? Let me give you
some advice, let me share something you know, a cappuccino
with you, no, but he had his daughter drive to
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New York to get something from my throat and I
toured up. I drank it every day. It's it's hard,
you know what I'm saying. And plus he hasn't said yes,
I've done. But even in the demosition, you did you
you came out and said you had to stop defriending
him though, because it doesn't look good. I mean, my
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mind is present. My heart did not want to believe
anything negative about someone I love and admire and respect
so much, but my mind is still. President was like,
damn it, there's no way around this. This is just
looks bad. It smells bad, it tastes bad. This this
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is bad. You got a lot of backlash from social media.
I was like, this is Jill Scott y'all trying to slay.
But listen, people make mistakes. Sometimes we misspeak. We can
change our mind, we can change your view on something.
I can get more information. Are you sure? You can
get more information and more facts and be like, you
know what, maybe there's more to this than I originally knew.
It happens every day, right, it happens all the time.
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You don't you don't know something, and then you find
something out, and you find out some more. All I
know is that, um, I'm a human being and my
love ain't watery. H and just because it got hot,
you know what I'm saying, It didn't just jump and
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dissipate or evaporate. People ain'tn't understand it. You don't understand.
And I'm a real I'm a person, and this man.
If I could explain how many people die in North Philly,
especially when I was growing up, if I could explain
the differences between myself and I felt like so many
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other people, I felt very alone, and I saw someone
just making strides knocking down doors, it was inspiring to me.
And I would hope that if the shoe was ever
on the other foot, that something was being said about
me that was terrible, horrible, vile and disgusting. I would
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hope that somebody who's ever claimed to appreciate love and
respect me would at least be like, let wait, wait, wait,
wait wait, I'm not jumping up anything. I'm a whole
tight a of Twitter followers, you know. I would hope
that I could be treated the way I would want
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that I treat other people. How do you deal with
social media? Do you ever feel like you want to disconnect,
because when you know, when you just seeing music and
you hear you talk, I don't feel like you're a
social media present. But I see you going back and
forth sometimes with these trolls. Sometimes sometimes I sometimes, I mean,
it baffles me because I was just saying this out there.
I was like, I don't see how somebody cannot like
Jail Scott, I just don't get it. Like amazing singer,
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great songs, fifteen years in the game, always minding your business,
You're not. It's not like you be in the middle
of Typically I try, I try. If somebody message your man,
Y'll walk over there and snap. I mean, you are
what women we go through the same things you go through.
I mean, I don't think we live in the era
of you getting back what you give out no more.
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I don't. I don't believe I get it back. I
get it back. I get it back. I get it back.
When somebody yells from across the street or somebody behind
me is like, appreciate you, thanks to because they're not
stopping my life, you know what I mean. Fanaticism is
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different from respect. Fanaticism goes hard and it's it's what
they need, not not what will make this a real moment.
It's like, ah, you know, And I experience that occasionally
more than more than I want to. But then I
have these moments where somebody is telling me what this
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song did or how it affected something in their lives.
I gave birth to this song, I made my child
to this song. When my father died, we played this song.
He loved this. And I have those kind of moments
where I'm great, I'm so grateful to have any impact
on someone's life. I'm like, Wow, I get to do this.
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That's in music. It's supposed to be for I would think,
I would think, and I appreciate those moments. Why did
you tight of this album? Woman? I've been waiting to
get here for a long time as a as a female,
I've been waiting to get to this point where I'm
I'm grown. I'm going to say what I feel. I'm
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gonna say what I believe. I'm going to use my
wisdom um that I've had enough life experiences that I
feel like, I could, you know, really impact somebody younger
than me, or maybe somebody at the same age. I
associate myself with elder women because they've got great stories,
they've got great advice. They call me on my stuff.
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Oh they call me, oh boy, Not that I'm not
talking about real life. Like what what what I got
from my elder sister about the Bill Cosby situation, She said,
I don't agree with you, but you have the right
to feel the way you do. Now, what the rest
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of the world didn't know is, at the same time,
my father has dementia. So I'm losing my dad right
and I'm losing my dad at the same time. I'm
not talking about like I don't I'm not looking for
anybody feel sorry for me. I'm just saying I am
a person. There's stuff that happens in the course of
a life that somebody else doesn't understand, and it is
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what it is. What about relationships? Do you have elder
women that call you out on things that you do
in relationships that you need to do differently. Absolutely, they'll
don't stop me. I'm like, well, this is what I'm
going to do. I don't do that quick. I used to.
I used to you should never fall in love. When
you fall, you get hurt. You're supposed to grow in
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love with people. I agree. I agree. It takes time.
It takes time, but you kind of. My grandmother told
me that the man is the stem and the woman
is the flower, and he must always be looking up
at her, and the stem gets stuck in the flower
too exactly. Hey, yeah, yeah, you feel me. But he's
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the root and she's the blossom. From that. From that
and I she always told me that the men know
before we do. You guys know, at some point, tell me,
did you look at your wife and say that's my wife? Yes,
that's what Apparently that's why I know exactly when that happened,
was shot at me too. When did he tell you?
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He was laying it here on the floor, almost dead
from de hijason and exhaustion, running around doing whatever he
was doing and calling me job. He goes like this,
I gotta get my girl back. I'm getting married, so
I've done. I remember that bottom growls that was in
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the collub drinking your bottles. They don't care about you,
But when you was, when you was laying on me,
and he didn't even care, We didn't care. We were
you coming to work tomorrow way to keep it real, okay,
And that's how he true. You know, those men know,
we just know we know who the one is now
even if we and it's your job to convince us
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that absolutely convince convince me that you're different, that you're different,
and that this is sincere and that you mean what
you say. And that's a part of the beautiful you know,
the whole Oh that I love that part. Convince me,
show up. It never stops, though, because for some reason,
women are never really truly convinced. And I guess that
keeps us on our toes because you'll be taking like
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two steps forward and one step backward. That's why I
think a lot of times you'll do like some great
stuff and then all of a sudden you do something
that's a red flag. Men. You heard just say that
we're men? Yeah, and then you know what guys have
to say, Well, I'm a working progress. That's the guy's
I'm a work in progress. Done stamp on me. I'm
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on a working progress. We all are, but where we
all make decisions we can't make and try our best
to stick by them. Like I'm like you said, your
name is albums a woman. I'm still trying to figure
out why, at this point in your life you feel
like a woman because you've been married, you've got a child,
like yeah, why now? And I'm holding myself to another
level of accountability. I think I used to blame whoever
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it was that hurt my feelings, like they were wrong,
you know, And now I hold myself accountable a r.
You chose that person, you accepted his you accepted it,
you went forward, You bit into the apple, you you
bought the wooden nickel. You know what I'm saying. You
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did that. The accountability is a big position and being
a woman and being an adult, um, not just being
an adult, but officially owning your womanhood because a lot
of times we have these fantasies as girls or how
it's going to be and who he's going to be
and if he hurts my feelings and he hurt feelings,
well men have feelings too, they do and and it
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takes two to tango. So are you in a relationship
right now? SIPs coffee, sip cappuccino. Sent about Bill Colony.
Very interesting what you said though, because you said you're
taking accountability for you, so you can't be a woman,
like like, a marriage don't make you a woman, A
child will make you a woman? Has to be something
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within you. Yes, yes, and that takes time. You got
to earn your stripes. You know, you gotta get down
on the ground, have a heartbreak. Look at yourself, really
look at yourself, the choices that your mother made. How
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did you end up here? Why did you get here
and then start making some changes? Right? What do you
think has contributed to your growth the most in your life?
If you could pinpoint one thing, you said, this is
what made me grow. My son. I knew at having
a child that'll do it. My son, Yeah, because he
sees me. It's not like I confront with him, like
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he sees me like everything's all right, baby. He's like,
I just saw you crying. He told me not too
long ago, he told me that women have to tough up.
I was telling him I was afraid. I was like,
I'm scared, and he was just like, mommy, women just
have to tough up. I don't know if it's that easy.
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I was just having this conversation with somebody else said
about how women are so vulnerable, and you know, it's
the same thing because I have a daughter. So you
start to see different things. Women have different things they
have to deal with, especially a black woman. They got
to deal with racism and feminism, which is that's kind
of hard. He kind of leaves you open all the time.
It can Well, the thing is about being open, is
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you have to for me anyway, I believe that you
have to make the decision on how much you open
and where you do, you know, giving a little bit
at a time, giving a little bit. If you're in
a relationship, why should why should he see everything? What
happened I'll say for me anyway, what happened for me
is the kind of relationship that I had with the
last dude. I'm trying to have with the next dude
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because that's the kind of relationship I like. Right Well,
it's a whole different person with a whole different you know,
you're trying to date the same person in different skin,
you know, or you are dating the same person in
different skin, So you end up missing out on what
you really need because you're looking at what you want.
Women look at what they need more than what they want. Necessity.
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Am I choosing a fabulous pair of shoes? Or am
I choosing a healthy meal? Am I choosing this house
that I can't afford? Or am I choosing to live
within my life, in my budget, within my budget, within
my circumstance. So I ain't got to worry. It's it's
it's about making decisions and I'm not saying you got
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to stick by them, but you have to look at
the bigger picture than what you want right now. Because
that's what girls do their children and in a sense,
you know what I mean, that's what kids do. Kids
get what they want. They don't think about I need
to eat vegetables because you know I need to, you know,
have a proper movement, nothing about stuff like that. Younger girls,
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if you don't know, yeah, I mean that's what that's
where kids are with it. And a lot of women,
or I'll say a lot of grown girls. Grown girls,
you know, they make their their decisions on their life
based on what they want, not what you need. Man,
do you think women know how much power they have?
Because I know this is the thought that now. I
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feel like if women came together and created an organization,
I feel like they'd be more powerful than the ADF
And I think glad like women can shut you down. Yeah.
We make decisions about what we're going to accept in
what we want, able to change a whole lot of
things in this society, a whole lot of change. If
we decided that we don't like guys that show their
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underwear in the street, I'm gonna give you about a
good month. Nobody's gonna be showing their underwear. Nobody's gonna
be showing the I'm telling you. We we make a
decision and say that we need someone that reads a
book that I can have a conversation with. We need
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that it's a requirement before I even let you touch it.
Things are gonna change. I do feel like women set
the tone in relationships in life. In life, God's only
doing what girls, except we dress a certain that's more
power than me. No. I don't know who's gonna tell
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them that though, But that's I mean, that's what happens
with girls. I mean, being a girl is an awesome, fun, crazy, wild,
beautiful experience except for when we got the money about it.
But being a woman there's something so fulfilling, and so
it's like it's like somebody turned the light on and
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you can just see, like, oh, that's where I've been
bugging all of this time. You know, I've been this dude.
Like for instance, there's a song on the album called
The Lighthouse. It's called Lighthouse, And initially she's saying that, um,
you know, I'm here for you, you know, for whatever.
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I'm your rock, and it sounds like to me, it
sounds like, you know, they make love. That's what it
sounds like musically it does. But then afterwards she has
a moment where she's saying, I'm sitting here contemplating if
if we should even be you know, I've got I
have a man that loves me for me. He do
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anything easily for his heart knows no boundaries. But he
needs he needs sometimes to right with a different pen
on different paper. He needs to cheat every now and listen,
that thing right there preaching some thoughtful I'm not saying.
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I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that he needs.
Not every man needs to to to be a philanderer.
Not every man has to have a whole bunch of women,
women to feel solid in whom they are and who
they are, or uh, just because they like it, you
know what I mean. Not every man needs that. But
if you have one of those, can you deal with that?
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And that's your decision. That is your decision, and once
you make it, make it. It shouldn't be your decision.
If the man's doing what he's supposed to do, And
by that I mean not getting caught cheating. It ain't
get cheating. In this case, she knows that he needs
to do that right And I don't I personally, as
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a woman, I don't want to live in a relationship
where you got secrets that you have this other life
that I'm not privy to. If you have another life,
go go to that other life. Because I'm trying to
be your ace, you'd be surprised. But if you tell
a woman you want and need from a relationship that
they might really be okay with it, rather than if
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you do it without saying anything and then she finds
out and now you have a secret for me. If
somebody has information, it is true, it is true, but
that's it. But also I believe that that's a difference
between dealing with a woman and a girl. A girl,
I don't know, I don't know for the time being.
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For the time being, a woman might be all for
it too. I'm not. I'm listening. Just just to be
clear with you, I'm not judgmental. I'm not. What I
do is I make observations about people, life and things.
That's my job. I'm a journalist that happens to sing
the reports. That's what I do. If you're honest about
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what you need, you just might get it. You just
might get it and be happy. Now, don't go home
and jump off the like Nope, I'm not gonna do it. Well,
I mean to believe me, I'm just gotten. I'm definitely
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in a position to get exactly what it is that
I want. And that's what it's got to be, not want,
forgive me, forgive me. I've had what I want to need,
what I need, what I needed. I don't know about everybody.
This just got need. I need a partner. I need
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somebody that can understand what it is that my life is.
That UM can check me and not in a disrespectful
way or woman bow down kind of way, but yo,
you need to show for a minute for real, and
then the mutual respect that says to me, you have
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nothing in you that wants harm for me, nothing you
love me. Let me sit down for a men and
trust and have faith in that. That's what I need.
I need that kind of relationship. I need somebody who
likes to go to lows. You know what I'm saying,
like I like to fix stuff around my house, participate,
and what I'm saying, I need someone who's gonna show
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up to the crib with with some paper towels, you
know what I mean, some toilet paper, Like you're gonna
be here, right, you know you're not gonna use paper
towels you. I'm just no, no, no, no, no, no
no no no. I just I I need I need
my ace, you know what I mean, someone that really
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understands and enjoys and loves the things that I love
and wants to support the things that I love, and
has things that I love about them that they want
me to support them in. And I enjoy it. And
it sounds so simple. It's so simple. It's so simple.
It's it's really not rocket science. We put all this
other stuff on it. Oh he gotta have um, he
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gotta have a sixth pack in a Bugatti. He gotta
have this, that, that, that, that, and that not all
of the stuff that at the end of the day,
it looks nice, but that whip can be crashed, that
house can be burnt. You know, those those abs I
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mean letting me too much or not work out or whatever.
They dissipay, they disappear, and what do you have? All
of your wants are checked, they're gone, and now you
got this guy with none of the stuff that you wanted.
That's not that lows with me. That's not bringing over.
Note to No, that's not participating in life. I need
you to participate in life. We want to live right right.
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That means that maybe you cook tonight, maybe maybe we
have a chef, Maybe maybe maybe I cook, Maybe you
mock the floor. I'm just saying, in order for things
to stay, it's some modicum of normality which I believe in.
I don't want to get too fancy that I forget
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that I'm Joyce's daughter and Bill's child. I don't want
to forget that. I don't want to forget that. I
can tell you grew up around a lot of loving
relationships like you saw a lot of healthy relationship and
I love seeing it. I love seeing it. I don't
know how it is that I'm gonna tell you what
happened as a girl, I forgot what was important. I'm
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supposed to be adored. You're supposed to be adored. Your
wife is supposed to be adored like the flower. Get it.
That's that's how you know when you are when you
are loved and appreciated for not for having your weave
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tight today and they might not be, or your nails
done or or you know, the pooch might be sitting
out today or whatever the case is. Like, have someone
that appreciates who you are, regardless. That means it's past
being male or female. It's being it's love. It's way
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past that. I think we put a lot of for
lack of a better if we put a lot of
ball on things that really matter. Right. So that's you know,
I'm sorry if I sound like I'm preaching you, that's
really not my not I'm just hanging out with these
older chicks. So I has to do with the album Women,
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And you wanted to know why the album is called Women,
and these are all the reasons. Thank you, Thank you.
I was a long way around. But you know, when
you're getting talk show man, I'm not you need to sell.
You gotta give it like this with just got it
to the masses. For everybody that's not listening to your music,
which you should be, but for some people don't need
to hear your your your wisdom. I feel like you're
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full of knowledge was and you got a nice warm
I think through your music and your performances that is
like my talk show for a while. You need to talk.
You could be the new over for you, and you
got It's like when you talk, it's like I feel
like you're gonna burt me and then let me lay
on your bullsom you know what I mean. Like it's
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just warm. Maybe I don't know. I don't know. There's
much to do, There's a lot to do. I'm I'm
really excited about about my future. I'm really excited about that.
So just in case something happens and somebody tells you
that I killed myself, fuck, no, no, no, on everything
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I'm telling you, on everything, everything ever good, that ever
happened in my life, that that is something that I
would not do. Feel me, anybody hearing me out there? Yes,
all right, not just saying. I'm just saying just in
case somebody says that I did that, I'm saying right
here that definitely not happened. I'm willing to go through
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the fire. Do you have those concerns now? Of course?
Of course? How do how do we not have those
concerns that black women are very vulnerable, like my homebod
was like women got all the power. I'm saying they do,
but they're still so vulnerable. Do you understand how much
we need you? Brothers? Do you do you? Do you
grasp how necessary you are? Do you see what's happening
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with our kids? Do you do you? Are you paying
attention that they're building more prisons and tearing down schools?
Do you see what's happening? How necessary you are? Not
just your presence, but your voice and your your your command.
We need we need you wide awake. We need you
so desperately, so deeply. Whatever it is that you have planned,
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keep it in the dark. Revolution does not happen in
the light. It happens in the darkness. Normally some smoke involved.
I'm just saying, jazz was not invented in the broad daylight.
It was invented in small, tiny places with a lot
of smoke in the air and people were being themselves.
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You can't videotape it, you can't blog about it. You
can you can't do any of that stuff. It has
to be quiet and focused, and then you bring in
people who mean and do good that are focused on that,
not just everybody because it looks nice. That just people
that want to hashtage and instagram and post pictures. But
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the hashtag right right, If we if we want to
make a change, it's got to be done quietly. First
focus the direction and then make that direction happen. Focus
bringing people that you need. What do you need? You
need people that thoroughly understand the law and all the
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addendums and amendums and all that other foolishness that are
added to laws. You need somebody that understands it, really
really understands it. Then you needn't. I'm not sure about politicians.
I don't know. I don't think I don't either. I
guess you kind of do it because when you look
at people like Martin VI. King Jr. He needed John F.
Kennedy and Linda B. Johnson to make the civil rights
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like in nineteen sixty four happened. So you kind of
do for like laws of the land. But yeah, I
don't think you do for revolution, right, the true revolution,
and it's it's and it has no color. Revolution doesn't
have a color. It is people this siding that what
is happening is incorrect. Absolutely, it's not beneficial to the society.
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It's not the beneficial to the people when foods have
more stuff than food in them, right. I was just
talking about this yesterday. That's Craig. Craig, how do you
expect people to to thrive and grow and survive and
be saying? How do you expect that? Right? You know
what I'm saying, Joe Scott, Ladies and gentlemen, I'm sorry
(42:30):
if I got heavy on I'm sorry. I wanted to
ask you about bj the Chicago Kitty is the only
him because I like the Chicago kid. But I was
just wondering what made you decide he was the one
feature for the album. There were a lot of people
that I tried BJ. Um. First of all, I fell
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in love to his first record, Pineapple Now Lads is
still one of my favorite records of all time. Um.
I heard his voice and it's it's it's so reminiscent
of everything that's good about music, and he's got this
clear understanding of what soul is. I'm absolutely I'm I'm
(43:15):
excited about him. So he's out on the road with
me now, you know, Um, I try to walk my
walk back. You know what I'm saying so um, you know,
he was the only only feature on the album just
because Ninth Wonder is involved, and I was like, I
just like how this feels. This feels beautiful, and I
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wanted Tom to give him a shout out and when
it's supporting, because I think he's amazing, all right, to
make sure we put that out there. I feel like
you and Killer Mike need to do like a revolutionary
record together. Listen, I'm about that run of Joel's Life. Okay,
I am so did you hear Oozy? One of my
favorite ever? Did you did? I'm talking about David Banner's Oozy.
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You have to play It's David Banner and big crit that.
I got to play that every time, right before I perform.
I have to play that and it's its own repeat.
Loving that and obviously you know running Jules. Thank you,
thank you, thank you. Appreciate your thought. Thank you. But
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just got albums in stores now. One woman check her
out on the road. Wait and there's there's one more.
Please please please, Okay, I don't want to forget push
your tea okay at all. That man has a perspective
and he paints it like a surgeon. It's precise how
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he paints his pictures. I love that. Do I agree
or understand everything that that or you know what I'm saying.
I've never been in that trap life. I don't get it,
you know, for myself. But I appreciate the story I did.
I did, and and I need people to look for
it is Fool's goal with the remix with Pushing t Yeah, okay, yeah,
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I got a check for that. Please do but thank
you just that we really appreciate. I'm glad to see you.
Always a pleasure when you come by. Your skin looks beautiful.
Thank you. Shout out to doctor Natasha said she's a
great deb intolergence and doesn't just Scott looked good about
the way than is one of the baddest out here.
Heard Janelle Munet. It's the breakfast Club, Jill Scott
Real people, real celebrity joined the Breakfast Yep, the world
was dangerous morning show the Breakfast Club. He turned it on.
Jill quietly like to talk to guests before the interview,
you know, I like to wait until the interviewed you
at all and yeah, fake looking at my phone until
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the interview started. But we got Jill Scott here. What's
up y'all, Julie from Philly, good to see you. Yes,
it's great to have Jill Scott here. And I will
say Charlotte Magne went to go see you perform in Brooklyn.
I was surprised because we can't get him to go nowhere.
I've seen you perform at least fifteen times because I
used to I told you before. We used to go
to the Sugar Water Festival all the time when it
was you and Erica Badou and Flower Tree and Queen Latifa. Like,
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I've seen you perform countless about the times, but not
in Brooklyn. Let me tell you something. I had no
choice too. It was one of those things. My wife
was like, hey, Joe Scott, is matter of fact you
want to go to the concert in Jersey. But I
was busy. So it happened in Brooklyn's woman keV Holiday
made that happen for me, so we went that was monumental. Yes,
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congratulations on the new album thank You. I like Cruising.
I think it's my favorite song on there. I also
like Food's Gold and I like um Closure And I
want to talk about closure for a second, Okay, because
I was having a conversation when one of my friends, right,
and that song is really about like having sex with
somebody for the last time for closure. You really think
that's a good idea, m I think it can work. Hey,
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listen any Portland storms where I'm where I am with it.
If it could work, it's worked. But do you think
it's possible though, because it's like you do it that
one last time, you're like, man, I can't let this go.
And plus when you do it that last time, you're
trying to do it like the best you've ever done it,
so that he feels like, Okay, I don't want to
maybe maybe not for me. I've had that experience and
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that last one was not the best one. I'm trying
too hard. But my feet were already on my way out,
you know what I mean. I knew this was it.
It's wrap it's the last time, and making a conscious
decision and then actually saying all right, I'm gonna give
my body this one more time. But making that conscious
decision and the second gas or regret or anything. What's
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the point of that? Though? Like why not just why
can't a phone conversation just the end? Sometimes phone calls
work with some people, Sometimes they don't, you know what
I mean? Like I said, any port in a storm,
when you're trying to get away from something that's not
necessarily beneficial to you. If the conversation you had, that conversation, look,
we're not gonna do this anymore. You know, it was great,
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but you know, I went more for my life and
then here you come again or smelling like that, you know,
and then all of a sudden you change your mind
and next thing, you know, you're kind of right back
where you started. And then you got to go through
the whole thing again. When somebody has that that you know,
that thing, it's really challenging to to walk away from it.
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But you know, that same thing that you used to
love when you was in love and now you know
you don't want to be with them anymore, is the
same thing that would end up, irritating you. Yeah, but
this was This is not about a love relationship. This
is about two people that are friends, homely love of friends,
if you will, and we have a great time. But
in order to get more and more, in order to
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have a well balanced relationship, you know, a participant in
your life, not just somebody that comes in and makes
a good real quick and disappears. I'm talking about a partnership.
In order to have that, you gotta make way. You
gotta make room. And and that's my opinion. I really
feel like you got to you gotta clear some stuff out,
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you know that in order to let that in. That's
the reason for the closure, because other than that, you
still got this other thing that can hold you back
from where you really want to go. You know, I
was watching the documentary on Central. I don't know if
the Docmunity is like you perform a live woman. Yeah,
and you seem like you're in a great space with love,
like you was talking about love and it's like your
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eyes will water and I'm like, well, who is banging
jails back out? That got hurt feeling? Well, I can
say this, it's more than it's more than sex way
way way way more than that, And that's that's that's
the goal, that's the that's the the game, that's the
end game. You know, more than just my physicality being
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appeased or pleased or stimulated or titillated. It's more than that,
you know, it's the rest of it. To have a
partner that's on your team, that will hold up their
end plus yours if you need it. That's what I'm
talking about. There's a difference, and you're willing to hold
up their end if they need it. Absolutely, It's it's
a beautiful giving take. No, you was talking like this
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person that killed somebody for you before, like you like
you love this individual you was talking about. I'm sitting
on the couch like that. I really don't recall talking
about anyone though. You was talking in general about love.
You was like, you know, and love when you find
that one you because that is a part of observation
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as well. I'm a voyeur. I watch people like for instance,
I met I met a musician the other day. I
loved watching him talk to his wife. I love looking
at her when she when he wasn't looking right. I
love watching her look at him. I was like, this
is what I'm talking about, right, you know, it's it's
I'm just paying attention to what I see, and I'm
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seeing a beautiful resurrection of relationships, people that genuinely are
about that life for each other, and they have their
stuff with them, but it's their stuff, right, you know
what I mean? What kind of space? Where are you
in doing this album? Um? What kind of place was
(05:57):
I in? I was in a couple of places. Yeah,
because I hear different thing. Yeah. Well, the album is
like a journal, you know. So you if you've ever
kept a journal, I have since I was twelve. But
when you look through it, you've got sometimes you you're
every page, every day you're writing in your journal, and
then sometimes you're you miss months, right, you know. So
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I'm strolling through the journal, looking through and I see
this part of myself, and I see this part of myself,
and that's kind of how the album really worked. Different
parts of your life, different pieces, and it's not necessarily
my life. Like I said, I'm a voyeur. I listened
to a lot of women. I listened to older women,
I listen to younger women. I listen and I listen
to men too. People talk to me for whatever reason
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I let them, Oh, I think you'd make an amazing
life coach, thanks an amazing like psychiatrist type person you
would go to to tell your problems and then you
would give advice to Well, I play. That was one
of the plans before music. Yeah, or you would just
go psychology. I was about to really change the last
one minute and decided to teach English. Really, yeah, what
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made you? What made you want to be a psychiatrist
to begin with? Well, I enjoyed listening, and I thought
that I could help, you know, if I, you know,
have a balanced perspective on stuff, that I might be
able to help somebody. That's interesting. I went to school
and I took psychology and it was too hard, and
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I dropped that as the only class average job because
it was way harder than I thought it was gonna be.
And then I ended up being an English major. Right
after that, I did that, I didn't go to college.
When I tried to go to college, psychology and I
bought the book, but I never went to class. I
just ended up reading the book. Those books. Yeah, that
psychology book was like this thing. Yeah, I was like,
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I don't know if this classes for me. Those books
are really expensive, which is one of the reasons why
I know, I know you guys are, But I ended
up starting Blues Baby Foundation because I wanted to pay
for people's books. Right, Like I couldn't afford my books.
I could afford school. I could get to school. Was
I wearing the same clothes a couple of times a week? Yeah,
you know, I'm trying to second hand books like I
(08:08):
got the second hand so I could get right right,
that was a lot. That was a lot. No, I
clean toilets now now, um, you said something very interesting
in the Huffington Post I read. You said, being being
an artist you're talking about Bill Cobby. You said being
an artist and a black man that is beloved is
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one of the most dangerous positions that you can be in.
Can you elaborate on that. Well. I remember the day
when I was in New Jersey and I saw every
kid with an Allen iverson Jersey, on every kid everywhere,
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and I thought to myself, he's in trouble, right, He's
in trouble. When you are looked past your skin and
at your talent, When you look past your skin and
at what you bring to something that people love, that
means You're beloved beyond the color of your skin or
your race and all of that. And it was maybe
(09:12):
a month later that he was on the cover of
the Daily News in Philadelphia with his braids out, and
he was about maybe two shades darker on the cover,
and then he was It was like they had vilified him,
you know that quick. Bringing a lot of light and
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attention to the prospect of a human being simply being
a human being, coming from a black man is dangerous
in my opinion. Look at what happened to Michael Jackson,
look at what happened to Kevin Clash. I'm talking about Elmo,
(09:54):
how he was so beloved by everyone. I'm not trying
to dismiss the fact that people that folks have done
some terrible foul things. With the understanding that men all
have proclivities, rich ones, smart ones, dumb ones, backwoods ones,
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all men have proclivities. That just means something that's natural
to you, that you like, that's probably really bad. Yea.
So we forget our heroes are human, forget that they're human.
But what I see is at our heroes and and
please understand, I'm from North Philly, but Cosby is from
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North Philly. That man was like a father to me.
He showed me everything about life that I did not
see in North Philadelphia, not just because I watched the
television shows, but I did watch them. I watched the
Cosby Show. I mean, I watched the Cosby Show. I
watched that Albert Different world made me want to go
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to college. College. Ain't nobody around my way going into college.
I appreciate and respect that legacy. Still, that's a man. Still,
that's a man. And I've always been about that with
fame and famous people, but I I felt the need
to remember the Kevin clashes and the Michael Jackson's and
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how people were really trying to destroy that legacy. What's
the dude's name, Phil Spector. He killed a woman, tried
and convicted, but he's still in the Rock and roll
Hall of Fame. If I'm not mistaken, Elvis like them young,
I'm I'm not saying that this is right. I'm saying
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that all men have proclivities, and I really feel that
whatever is done to some do to all, don't decimate
the legacy of the good. You're trying to tell me,
You're trying to tell me they're regardless of how much
good I do in the world. If I do something bad,
just something terrible, everything else gets pushed away. You forget
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and you think this is something that happens with black man.
And then you look particular a Phil Specter who still
is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame even
though he murdered someone and another Harrilson has had sex
with his um step daughter or whatever whatever. She was
adopted not white men can't jump my bad. Yes, they
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had an adopted daughter and he ended up marrying her. Yes,
And what was it great Balls of Fire? Wasn't that movie?
Um Jim, who was it? Buddy Holly? I mean it happened.
It has happened in Latin history. And now they're saying
with Bill Cosby, get all his TV shows up the air,
Spellming no longer one. I think that's why scholarship program
they took down his statue. I think that's why. The
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reason I think that's why is because like what Jill
just said about a different world inspired her to want
to go to college, and my homegirl, jazz Fly, she
has just saying what she says, we have to learn
to separate the art from the artists. The art helped
and benefited a lot. The artists may be flawed, but
the art made you want to go to college. Wagner
a notorious racist, but incredible musician and composer. I mean
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the history and list of men with dirty, terrible things.
And guess what, the more money you get, the more
easily and more apt you are to do the worst things,
because they've always been in you. There it is. If
nobody's helped you or or guided you or stopped you
from being the worst you could be, and they're lifting
(13:37):
you up and just you know, allowing you to do
the worst things, you're gonna do it. Probably, So what
do you think should happen then? In that case, in
a Belle Cosby situation? Ah, what do I think should
happen to him? Yeah? Like what should happen? What should
the repercussions be? I mean a lot of these crimes,
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alleged crimes, were committed so long ago it's passed statute
of limitation. I think the best thing for mister Cozle
to do right now is pass away because the slander
turned to simplathy. Just like that, they did the same
thing to Michael. They vilified Michael. Then when Michael passed.
He was the hero again, that's what they say, though
they say you either died a hero or a live
long enough to become a villain. I was told, I
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don't know if it's true or not that the first
person to accuse Michael Jackson of their father committee suicide.
I mean, I don't know. I don't know either. I
just heard that. I don't know if it's true or not.
All that's this is a show that's not based on facts. Yeah,
I mean, all I'm saying is that looking at the
big picture was the reason that I could not could
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not make any real decisions other than love. If it's
your father, if it's your dad, and fifty, let's say sixty,
let's say a hundred people say so something terrible about
your father, the one that's raised you, the one that's
been there, the one that took care of your skin, knees.
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And I'm not saying this because I saw the man
on television. Bill Cosby has been good to me, officially
good to me. North Philly girl, doing well, reaching out,
how you're doing? You need anything? Let me give you
some advice, let me share something you know, a cappuccino
with you, no, but he had his daughter drive to
(15:27):
New York to get something from my throat and I
toured up. I drank it every day. It's it's hard,
you know what I'm saying. And plus he hasn't said yes,
I've done. But even in the demosition, you did you
you came out and said you had to stop defriending
him though, because it doesn't look good. I mean, my
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mind is present. My heart did not want to believe
anything negative about someone I love and admire and respect
so much, but my mind is still. President was like,
damn it, there's no way around this. This is just
looks bad. It smells bad, it tastes bad. This this
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is bad. You got a lot of backlash from social media.
I was like, this is Jill Scott y'all trying to slay.
But listen, people make mistakes. Sometimes we misspeak. We can
change our mind, we can change your view on something.
I can get more information. Are you sure? You can
get more information and more facts and be like, you
know what, maybe there's more to this than I originally knew.
It happens every day, right, it happens all the time.
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You don't you don't know something, and then you find
something out, and you find out some more. All I
know is that, um, I'm a human being and my
love ain't watery. H and just because it got hot,
you know what I'm saying, It didn't just jump and
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dissipate or evaporate. People ain'tn't understand it. You don't understand.
And I'm a real I'm a person, and this man.
If I could explain how many people die in North Philly,
especially when I was growing up, if I could explain
the differences between myself and I felt like so many
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other people, I felt very alone, and I saw someone
just making strides knocking down doors, it was inspiring to me.
And I would hope that if the shoe was ever
on the other foot, that something was being said about
me that was terrible, horrible, vile and disgusting. I would
(17:38):
hope that somebody who's ever claimed to appreciate love and
respect me would at least be like, let wait, wait, wait,
wait wait, I'm not jumping up anything. I'm a whole
tight a of Twitter followers, you know. I would hope
that I could be treated the way I would want
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that I treat other people. How do you deal with
social media? Do you ever feel like you want to disconnect,
because when you know, when you just seeing music and
you hear you talk, I don't feel like you're a
social media present. But I see you going back and
forth sometimes with these trolls. Sometimes sometimes I sometimes, I mean,
it baffles me because I was just saying this out there.
I was like, I don't see how somebody cannot like
Jail Scott, I just don't get it. Like amazing singer,
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great songs, fifteen years in the game, always minding your business,
You're not. It's not like you be in the middle
of Typically I try, I try. If somebody message your man,
Y'll walk over there and snap. I mean, you are
what women we go through the same things you go through.
I mean, I don't think we live in the era
of you getting back what you give out no more.
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I don't. I don't believe I get it back. I
get it back. I get it back. I get it back.
When somebody yells from across the street or somebody behind
me is like, appreciate you, thanks to because they're not
stopping my life, you know what I mean. Fanaticism is
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different from respect. Fanaticism goes hard and it's it's what
they need, not not what will make this a real moment.
It's like, ah, you know, And I experience that occasionally
more than more than I want to. But then I
have these moments where somebody is telling me what this
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song did or how it affected something in their lives.
I gave birth to this song, I made my child
to this song. When my father died, we played this song.
He loved this. And I have those kind of moments
where I'm great, I'm so grateful to have any impact
on someone's life. I'm like, Wow, I get to do this.
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That's in music. It's supposed to be for I would think,
I would think, and I appreciate those moments. Why did
you tight of this album? Woman? I've been waiting to
get here for a long time as a as a female,
I've been waiting to get to this point where I'm
I'm grown. I'm going to say what I feel. I'm
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gonna say what I believe. I'm going to use my
wisdom um that I've had enough life experiences that I
feel like, I could, you know, really impact somebody younger
than me, or maybe somebody at the same age. I
associate myself with elder women because they've got great stories,
they've got great advice. They call me on my stuff.
(20:32):
Oh they call me, oh boy, Not that I'm not
talking about real life. Like what what what I got
from my elder sister about the Bill Cosby situation, She said,
I don't agree with you, but you have the right
to feel the way you do. Now, what the rest
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of the world didn't know is, at the same time,
my father has dementia. So I'm losing my dad right
and I'm losing my dad at the same time. I'm
not talking about like I don't I'm not looking for
anybody feel sorry for me. I'm just saying I am
a person. There's stuff that happens in the course of
a life that somebody else doesn't understand, and it is
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what it is. What about relationships? Do you have elder
women that call you out on things that you do
in relationships that you need to do differently. Absolutely, they'll
don't stop me. I'm like, well, this is what I'm
going to do. I don't do that quick. I used to.
I used to you should never fall in love. When
you fall, you get hurt. You're supposed to grow in
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love with people. I agree. I agree. It takes time.
It takes time, but you kind of. My grandmother told
me that the man is the stem and the woman
is the flower, and he must always be looking up
at her, and the stem gets stuck in the flower
too exactly. Hey, yeah, yeah, you feel me. But he's
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the root and she's the blossom. From that. From that
and I she always told me that the men know
before we do. You guys know, at some point, tell me,
did you look at your wife and say that's my wife? Yes,
that's what Apparently that's why I know exactly when that happened,
was shot at me too. When did he tell you?
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He was laying it here on the floor, almost dead
from de hijason and exhaustion, running around doing whatever he
was doing and calling me job. He goes like this,
I gotta get my girl back. I'm getting married, so
I've done. I remember that bottom growls that was in
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the collub drinking your bottles. They don't care about you,
But when you was, when you was laying on me,
and he didn't even care, We didn't care. We were
you coming to work tomorrow way to keep it real, okay,
And that's how he true. You know, those men know,
we just know we know who the one is now
even if we and it's your job to convince us
(23:10):
that absolutely convince convince me that you're different, that you're different,
and that this is sincere and that you mean what
you say. And that's a part of the beautiful you know,
the whole Oh that I love that part. Convince me,
show up. It never stops, though, because for some reason,
women are never really truly convinced. And I guess that
keeps us on our toes because you'll be taking like
(23:32):
two steps forward and one step backward. That's why I
think a lot of times you'll do like some great
stuff and then all of a sudden you do something
that's a red flag. Men. You heard just say that
we're men? Yeah, and then you know what guys have
to say, Well, I'm a working progress. That's the guy's
I'm a work in progress. Done stamp on me. I'm
(23:52):
on a working progress. We all are, but where we
all make decisions we can't make and try our best
to stick by them. Like I'm like you said, your
name is albums a woman. I'm still trying to figure
out why, at this point in your life you feel
like a woman because you've been married, you've got a child,
like yeah, why now? And I'm holding myself to another
level of accountability. I think I used to blame whoever
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it was that hurt my feelings, like they were wrong,
you know, And now I hold myself accountable a r.
You chose that person, you accepted his you accepted it,
you went forward, You bit into the apple, you you
bought the wooden nickel. You know what I'm saying. You
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did that. The accountability is a big position and being
a woman and being an adult, um, not just being
an adult, but officially owning your womanhood because a lot
of times we have these fantasies as girls or how
it's going to be and who he's going to be
and if he hurts my feelings and he hurt feelings,
well men have feelings too, they do and and it
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takes two to tango. So are you in a relationship
right now? SIPs coffee, sip cappuccino. Sent about Bill Colony.
Very interesting what you said though, because you said you're
taking accountability for you, so you can't be a woman,
like like, a marriage don't make you a woman, A
child will make you a woman? Has to be something
(25:22):
within you. Yes, yes, and that takes time. You got
to earn your stripes. You know, you gotta get down
on the ground, have a heartbreak. Look at yourself, really
look at yourself, the choices that your mother made. How
(25:44):
did you end up here? Why did you get here
and then start making some changes? Right? What do you
think has contributed to your growth the most in your life?
If you could pinpoint one thing, you said, this is
what made me grow. My son. I knew at having
a child that'll do it. My son, Yeah, because he
sees me. It's not like I confront with him, like
(26:07):
he sees me like everything's all right, baby. He's like,
I just saw you crying. He told me not too
long ago, he told me that women have to tough up.
I was telling him I was afraid. I was like,
I'm scared, and he was just like, mommy, women just
have to tough up. I don't know if it's that easy.
(26:27):
I was just having this conversation with somebody else said
about how women are so vulnerable, and you know, it's
the same thing because I have a daughter. So you
start to see different things. Women have different things they
have to deal with, especially a black woman. They got
to deal with racism and feminism, which is that's kind
of hard. He kind of leaves you open all the time.
It can Well, the thing is about being open, is
(26:48):
you have to for me anyway, I believe that you
have to make the decision on how much you open
and where you do, you know, giving a little bit
at a time, giving a little bit. If you're in
a relationship, why should why should he see everything? What
happened I'll say for me anyway, what happened for me
is the kind of relationship that I had with the
last dude. I'm trying to have with the next dude
(27:10):
because that's the kind of relationship I like. Right Well,
it's a whole different person with a whole different you know,
you're trying to date the same person in different skin,
you know, or you are dating the same person in
different skin, So you end up missing out on what
you really need because you're looking at what you want.
Women look at what they need more than what they want. Necessity.
(27:36):
Am I choosing a fabulous pair of shoes? Or am
I choosing a healthy meal? Am I choosing this house
that I can't afford? Or am I choosing to live
within my life, in my budget, within my budget, within
my circumstance. So I ain't got to worry. It's it's
it's about making decisions and I'm not saying you got
(27:59):
to stick by them, but you have to look at
the bigger picture than what you want right now. Because
that's what girls do their children and in a sense,
you know what I mean, that's what kids do. Kids
get what they want. They don't think about I need
to eat vegetables because you know I need to, you know,
have a proper movement, nothing about stuff like that. Younger girls,
(28:22):
if you don't know, yeah, I mean that's what that's
where kids are with it. And a lot of women,
or I'll say a lot of grown girls. Grown girls,
you know, they make their their decisions on their life
based on what they want, not what you need. Man,
do you think women know how much power they have?
Because I know this is the thought that now. I
(28:43):
feel like if women came together and created an organization,
I feel like they'd be more powerful than the ADF
And I think glad like women can shut you down. Yeah.
We make decisions about what we're going to accept in
what we want, able to change a whole lot of
things in this society, a whole lot of change. If
we decided that we don't like guys that show their
(29:05):
underwear in the street, I'm gonna give you about a
good month. Nobody's gonna be showing their underwear. Nobody's gonna
be showing the I'm telling you. We we make a
decision and say that we need someone that reads a
book that I can have a conversation with. We need
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that it's a requirement before I even let you touch it.
Things are gonna change. I do feel like women set
the tone in relationships in life. In life, God's only
doing what girls, except we dress a certain that's more
power than me. No. I don't know who's gonna tell
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them that though, But that's I mean, that's what happens
with girls. I mean, being a girl is an awesome, fun, crazy, wild,
beautiful experience except for when we got the money about it.
But being a woman there's something so fulfilling, and so
it's like it's like somebody turned the light on and
(30:08):
you can just see, like, oh, that's where I've been
bugging all of this time. You know, I've been this dude.
Like for instance, there's a song on the album called
The Lighthouse. It's called Lighthouse, And initially she's saying that, um,
you know, I'm here for you, you know, for whatever.
(30:30):
I'm your rock, and it sounds like to me, it
sounds like, you know, they make love. That's what it
sounds like musically it does. But then afterwards she has
a moment where she's saying, I'm sitting here contemplating if
if we should even be you know, I've got I
have a man that loves me for me. He do
(30:50):
anything easily for his heart knows no boundaries. But he
needs he needs sometimes to right with a different pen
on different paper. He needs to cheat every now and listen,
that thing right there preaching some thoughtful I'm not saying.
(31:15):
I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that he needs.
Not every man needs to to to be a philanderer.
Not every man has to have a whole bunch of women,
women to feel solid in whom they are and who
they are, or uh, just because they like it, you
know what I mean. Not every man needs that. But
if you have one of those, can you deal with that?
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And that's your decision. That is your decision, and once
you make it, make it. It shouldn't be your decision.
If the man's doing what he's supposed to do, And
by that I mean not getting caught cheating. It ain't
get cheating. In this case, she knows that he needs
to do that right And I don't I personally, as
(32:02):
a woman, I don't want to live in a relationship
where you got secrets that you have this other life
that I'm not privy to. If you have another life,
go go to that other life. Because I'm trying to
be your ace, you'd be surprised. But if you tell
a woman you want and need from a relationship that
they might really be okay with it, rather than if
(32:24):
you do it without saying anything and then she finds
out and now you have a secret for me. If
somebody has information, it is true, it is true, but
that's it. But also I believe that that's a difference
between dealing with a woman and a girl. A girl,
I don't know, I don't know for the time being.
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For the time being, a woman might be all for
it too. I'm not. I'm listening. Just just to be
clear with you, I'm not judgmental. I'm not. What I
do is I make observations about people, life and things.
That's my job. I'm a journalist that happens to sing
the reports. That's what I do. If you're honest about
(33:09):
what you need, you just might get it. You just
might get it and be happy. Now, don't go home
and jump off the like Nope, I'm not gonna do it. Well,
I mean to believe me, I'm just gotten. I'm definitely
(33:33):
in a position to get exactly what it is that
I want. And that's what it's got to be, not want,
forgive me, forgive me. I've had what I want to need,
what I need, what I needed. I don't know about everybody.
This just got need. I need a partner. I need
(33:54):
somebody that can understand what it is that my life is.
That UM can check me and not in a disrespectful
way or woman bow down kind of way, but yo,
you need to show for a minute for real, and
then the mutual respect that says to me, you have
(34:17):
nothing in you that wants harm for me, nothing you
love me. Let me sit down for a men and
trust and have faith in that. That's what I need.
I need that kind of relationship. I need somebody who
likes to go to lows. You know what I'm saying,
like I like to fix stuff around my house, participate,
and what I'm saying, I need someone who's gonna show
(34:37):
up to the crib with with some paper towels, you
know what I mean, some toilet paper, Like you're gonna
be here, right, you know you're not gonna use paper
towels you. I'm just no, no, no, no, no, no
no no no. I just I I need I need
my ace, you know what I mean, someone that really
(35:01):
understands and enjoys and loves the things that I love
and wants to support the things that I love, and
has things that I love about them that they want
me to support them in. And I enjoy it. And
it sounds so simple. It's so simple. It's so simple.
It's it's really not rocket science. We put all this
other stuff on it. Oh he gotta have um, he
(35:24):
gotta have a sixth pack in a Bugatti. He gotta
have this, that, that, that, that, and that not all
of the stuff that at the end of the day,
it looks nice, but that whip can be crashed, that
house can be burnt. You know, those those abs I
(35:44):
mean letting me too much or not work out or whatever.
They dissipay, they disappear, and what do you have? All
of your wants are checked, they're gone, and now you
got this guy with none of the stuff that you wanted.
That's not that lows with me. That's not bringing over.
Note to No, that's not participating in life. I need
you to participate in life. We want to live right right.
(36:08):
That means that maybe you cook tonight, maybe maybe we
have a chef, Maybe maybe maybe I cook, Maybe you
mock the floor. I'm just saying, in order for things
to stay, it's some modicum of normality which I believe in.
I don't want to get too fancy that I forget
(36:29):
that I'm Joyce's daughter and Bill's child. I don't want
to forget that. I don't want to forget that. I
can tell you grew up around a lot of loving
relationships like you saw a lot of healthy relationship and
I love seeing it. I love seeing it. I don't
know how it is that I'm gonna tell you what
happened as a girl, I forgot what was important. I'm
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supposed to be adored. You're supposed to be adored. Your
wife is supposed to be adored like the flower. Get it.
That's that's how you know when you are when you
are loved and appreciated for not for having your weave
(37:11):
tight today and they might not be, or your nails
done or or you know, the pooch might be sitting
out today or whatever the case is. Like, have someone
that appreciates who you are, regardless. That means it's past
being male or female. It's being it's love. It's way
(37:34):
past that. I think we put a lot of for
lack of a better if we put a lot of
ball on things that really matter. Right. So that's you know,
I'm sorry if I sound like I'm preaching you, that's
really not my not I'm just hanging out with these
older chicks. So I has to do with the album Women,
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And you wanted to know why the album is called Women,
and these are all the reasons. Thank you, Thank you.
I was a long way around. But you know, when
you're getting talk show man, I'm not you need to sell.
You gotta give it like this with just got it
to the masses. For everybody that's not listening to your music,
which you should be, but for some people don't need
to hear your your your wisdom. I feel like you're
(38:15):
full of knowledge was and you got a nice warm
I think through your music and your performances that is
like my talk show for a while. You need to talk.
You could be the new over for you, and you
got It's like when you talk, it's like I feel
like you're gonna burt me and then let me lay
on your bullsom you know what I mean. Like it's
(38:36):
just warm. Maybe I don't know. I don't know. There's
much to do, There's a lot to do. I'm I'm
really excited about about my future. I'm really excited about that.
So just in case something happens and somebody tells you
that I killed myself, fuck, no, no, no, on everything
(39:04):
I'm telling you, on everything, everything ever good, that ever
happened in my life, that that is something that I
would not do. Feel me, anybody hearing me out there? Yes,
all right, not just saying. I'm just saying just in
case somebody says that I did that, I'm saying right
here that definitely not happened. I'm willing to go through
(39:25):
the fire. Do you have those concerns now? Of course?
Of course? How do how do we not have those
concerns that black women are very vulnerable, like my homebod
was like women got all the power. I'm saying they do,
but they're still so vulnerable. Do you understand how much
we need you? Brothers? Do you do you? Do you
grasp how necessary you are? Do you see what's happening
(39:49):
with our kids? Do you do you? Are you paying
attention that they're building more prisons and tearing down schools?
Do you see what's happening? How necessary you are? Not
just your presence, but your voice and your your your command.
We need we need you wide awake. We need you
so desperately, so deeply. Whatever it is that you have planned,
(40:22):
keep it in the dark. Revolution does not happen in
the light. It happens in the darkness. Normally some smoke involved.
I'm just saying, jazz was not invented in the broad daylight.
It was invented in small, tiny places with a lot
of smoke in the air and people were being themselves.
(40:42):
You can't videotape it, you can't blog about it. You
can you can't do any of that stuff. It has
to be quiet and focused, and then you bring in
people who mean and do good that are focused on that,
not just everybody because it looks nice. That just people
that want to hashtage and instagram and post pictures. But
(41:05):
the hashtag right right, If we if we want to
make a change, it's got to be done quietly. First
focus the direction and then make that direction happen. Focus
bringing people that you need. What do you need? You
need people that thoroughly understand the law and all the
(41:25):
addendums and amendums and all that other foolishness that are
added to laws. You need somebody that understands it, really
really understands it. Then you needn't. I'm not sure about politicians.
I don't know. I don't think I don't either. I
guess you kind of do it because when you look
at people like Martin VI. King Jr. He needed John F.
Kennedy and Linda B. Johnson to make the civil rights
(41:46):
like in nineteen sixty four happened. So you kind of
do for like laws of the land. But yeah, I
don't think you do for revolution, right, the true revolution,
and it's it's and it has no color. Revolution doesn't
have a color. It is people this siding that what
is happening is incorrect. Absolutely, it's not beneficial to the society.
(42:07):
It's not the beneficial to the people when foods have
more stuff than food in them, right. I was just
talking about this yesterday. That's Craig. Craig, how do you
expect people to to thrive and grow and survive and
be saying? How do you expect that? Right? You know
what I'm saying, Joe Scott, Ladies and gentlemen, I'm sorry
(42:30):
if I got heavy on I'm sorry. I wanted to
ask you about bj the Chicago Kitty is the only
him because I like the Chicago kid. But I was
just wondering what made you decide he was the one
feature for the album. There were a lot of people
that I tried BJ. Um. First of all, I fell
(42:55):
in love to his first record, Pineapple Now Lads is
still one of my favorite records of all time. Um.
I heard his voice and it's it's it's so reminiscent
of everything that's good about music, and he's got this
clear understanding of what soul is. I'm absolutely I'm I'm
(43:15):
excited about him. So he's out on the road with
me now, you know, Um, I try to walk my
walk back. You know what I'm saying so um, you know,
he was the only only feature on the album just
because Ninth Wonder is involved, and I was like, I
just like how this feels. This feels beautiful, and I
(43:38):
wanted Tom to give him a shout out and when
it's supporting, because I think he's amazing, all right, to
make sure we put that out there. I feel like
you and Killer Mike need to do like a revolutionary
record together. Listen, I'm about that run of Joel's Life. Okay,
I am so did you hear Oozy? One of my
favorite ever? Did you did? I'm talking about David Banner's Oozy.
(44:02):
You have to play It's David Banner and big crit that.
I got to play that every time, right before I perform.
I have to play that and it's its own repeat.
Loving that and obviously you know running Jules. Thank you,
thank you, thank you. Appreciate your thought. Thank you. But
(44:22):
just got albums in stores now. One woman check her
out on the road. Wait and there's there's one more.
Please please please, Okay, I don't want to forget push
your tea okay at all. That man has a perspective
and he paints it like a surgeon. It's precise how
(44:43):
he paints his pictures. I love that. Do I agree
or understand everything that that or you know what I'm saying.
I've never been in that trap life. I don't get it,
you know, for myself. But I appreciate the story I did.
I did, and and I need people to look for
it is Fool's goal with the remix with Pushing t Yeah, okay, yeah,
(45:07):
I got a check for that. Please do but thank
you just that we really appreciate. I'm glad to see you.
Always a pleasure when you come by. Your skin looks beautiful.
Thank you. Shout out to doctor Natasha said she's a
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