Loren is reacting to the backlash toward Keyshia Ka’oir, Guccis wife. Following, Keyshia and Gucci opening up about the ways that they deal with Gucci’s mental health.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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The conversations that shake the room.
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Let me get my mic together together because the day
we got some things to talk about, So hopping right
on into it.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Gucci Min Keisha ki Or came.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
On the Breakfast Club and Wow was the conversation. Like
I knew the conversation was going to be a good conversation.
I'm a huge fan of Gucci's of course, really really
big fan of kishk Wor. I remember being in college
and like you know, we was doing the color lipsticks
and the hair and you know, all the things because
Or had or she still does have keshki Or cosmetics,
(00:56):
but I don't know if she had us in a
choke hold at that time. The girls that had the
hair with the middle like little mohawk. I never did
a little little little you know, mohawk dingy thingy, but
being at Dell State.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
During that time.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Being at college during that time, you really got to
see the impact of both of these people. So sitting
here with them, you know, whenever I'm at breakfast club
is always like, damn, I'm really you know what I mean, Like,
I'm really sitting here with the But then they're they're
Gucci is in a different space in his life. He's
talking about, you know, everything he's dealing with, you know,
mental health wise. And the book and the album Episodes
(01:29):
is out, So I knew it was going to be
an open and vulnerable conversation, but I had no idea
I want to take a second to just talk about
some of the things that we talked about in some
of the ways I saw people responding to the interview
in total, So, Kisha k Or and Gucci, you know,
they are married, they now have two kids together, and
(01:51):
from the outside looking in, before we learned that Gucci,
you know, was dealing with mental struggles of his own,
their relationship has been one that you know, trends a
lot of times as a fairy tale. From the story
about Gucci giving Keisha ko Or the money before he
went to jail and her flipping the money and him
coming home to all this money, and you know, just
(02:12):
you always see the videos and the photos of the
lobsters and them, you know, they dressed it like they fly,
they walking into concerts, doing this, doing that. But to
hear the other side of things where it's like in
real life she is. And I think, you know, when
you're married, you are your life's like you are your
partner's lifeline. But I think it's in such a different
(02:34):
way when that person is dealing with anything, you know,
in any type of sickness, whether it's a mental health
situation or it's you know, a physical disability, it's just different.
And I think them being vulnerable and opening up and
talking about this not even think I know. Keisha ki
Or literally just posted to her Instagram that someone reached
(02:55):
out to her. She said that she had been getting
flooded by dms every since the Breakfast Club interview. But
she says, specifically, right before I walked into this podcast,
I saw her post that there was a mom who says,
my son was watching that interview. He finally would be
honest with himself about the fact that he does have
mental health struggles and that he does need some help.
Thank you, because now they're able to actually go and
(03:17):
do something about it. And Gucci talked a bit in
this interview just about you know what that looked like
shame wise for him and why you know it kind
of took him so long to come around and just say, Yo,
here's what's going on with me.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Let's take a listen. I wonder what the psychology is
behind that, Like why when you going through an episode.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
You give away money and I don't know, you don't
care your mind because the money don't is not You're
kind of like inn a warp world. It's almost like
it's a psychosist. You know what I'm saying. It's not
you're dealing with stuff like hearing voices. Yeah they have
money now and you're hearing voices too, Like it's telling
you that. You know, you might think that Charloa Mane
trying to I might think that you're trying to fight me.
You ain't even did nothing. We'll be like, bro, I
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ain't doing nothing to tell you what's wrong. Like I'll
be trying to fight you, Charlae man like you did this.
You know what you did? You stole something from me.
He'd be like, but in my mind, I'm like it's
the truth. So that's what I used to deal with.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
How did therapy in the self work change your relationship
with anger? And like, do you still wrestle with that
same in a voice that you talk about throughout the book?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
I don't. I don't. It's like I seen a therapist.
I gotta I gotta sort taking medicine to prescribe for
me what she thought any worked and I haven't had
any other problems now.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
One of the things that I think, you know, I
knew that there was going to be something fallout because
Keisha k Or has said, you know, my man don't
got to do nothing but relax.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Basically, here's what she actually said.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
I treat Gucci so good, Like I know, I said this.
When he first came out of present, I would bathe him.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
And what I don't bathe him no more.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
But I used to bathe him. Now I still cook
for him. The only thing Gucci gotta do is shower.
He don't gotta do nothing else. I do everything for
that man, but not because I have to do. I
want to.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
I enjoyed taking care of him.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
I enjoy him just being happy, going to the studio
and doing music. I don't want him to worry about
the bills, worry about what you gotta eat, worry about
nothing that man, all you gotta do is babe child
and go do his shows and go to the studio.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
That is it.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
The wife takes care of everything else, and I love
doing it, and if I don't do it, I would
be miserable.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
When she sat down with Carlos King, for you know,
the conversation she had with Carlos King, the world was
in a uproar period, like people could not understand what
she meant.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
By I make peace, I make home for my man.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Even though again at that time, I didn't fully understand
the extent of, you know, Gucci's struggles.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
People were in an uproar.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
So when she was talking about a lot of the
different things in our interview at the Breakfast Club that
she had to do just to make sure he got
through and gets through actively you know what his struggles
are mentally, I knew that people were.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Going to have something to say.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Now, let's say, to listen to keishak k or talk
about how she was able to protect Gucci from the
world while he was going through what was happening mentally,
because a lot of y'all because of this or I
don't know, Like the reaction to her talking about how
she protected him in this situation has been a little
odd to me. Like I saw people saying like always
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given caregate caretaker more than his given wife, and I'm like, Wow,
people really don't understand what it's like to deal with
someone who is dealing with something health wise. You instantly
become a caretaker. You don't have a choice because even
if you bring people in, they don't love, nurture or
have the patience. Yo, the patience is the biggest thing.
(06:45):
They don't have the patience like you have for the
person you love. And it's twenty four to seven, especially
when somebody's dealing with something with mental health. Let'say listen
to Keisha Ki or talk about, you know, deleting Gucci's
apps off his phone so that the world didn't know
what he was going through after his last molt down
with all those tweets for you, what was it like
just trying to protect the business that you guys have built.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
Wow, I have a sister. I take his apps off
his phone. First thing I do. I delete Instagram, I
delete everything. Even if I got to change his password.
I'm changing it because I don't need the public to
know he's having an episode. You realize, you'd never know
about any other episodes since September thirteen because I control that,
because you're not going on Instagram, you're not going on Twitter.
(07:27):
It's deleted, you know, And I just control everything at home.
And now before the episodes come, I catch it. So
that's why he hasn't had another one. And how you
catch that is he doesn't speak to you, he wants
to be left alone. He don't eat, he does not sleep,
text messages, there's a period after each word, and I'm like,
(07:48):
you're going through an episode.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
You're sick. No, I'm not. Ain't not wrong with me.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Why do you think that you're not speaking to me? Well,
there's nothing to talk about. I said, well, that's not
how you speak to your wife. And I'm like, you're sick,
and we snap out of it right then.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Okay, So this clip right here is what caused a
lot of the conversation. I've seen several think pieces since
this clip made it to the public, since this interview
made it to the public, And you know, I think
it's what I learned when dealing with people who have
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mental challenges and you know, physical health challenges, is that
you're literally in a world of your own when you
are caring for those people, they're in the a world
of their own. Like I remember, you know, and my
mom's you know stuff is a lot different than Gucci's.
(08:48):
But because my mom had a head trauma, when we
called my mom's cancer was brain cancer first, and then
we tracked it back to lung. She had to get
she had to do a biopsy on her brain and
I remember, oh, for like the first four months after that,
(09:09):
just in trying to care for her, there would be
so many times and so many different things that she.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Would say and do and.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
It was like it was it was so when Keisha
ky Or said, you're not she says, I'm not dealing
with Gucci, meaning like he's out of this is not
him right now. This is this is the you know,
the the health challenge that she's dealing with right now.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
I really understood it because the way that my mom's.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Mental was set up for some time and she's I
don't she's good, but I wouldn't say she's one hundred
percent still. I think, you know, trauma to your brain
is trauma to your brain under so much duress, and
you know all the things, but there would be things
that she would say and I remember like having to
call FEM members and they would just be like, you know,
(10:02):
you just got to realize you're not dealing with her.
Even my friend, like I would call a friend who
had went through something similar with their parents, and she
would always tell me like, just remember this is you're
not dealing with.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Your mom right now.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
And when your mom comes into her right mind, like
it's different. But even in reaching out to people, they
you just don't get it, like you're literally in your
own world because it's just you and this person. You're
the only person that kind of understands, like you know
what the triggers are for whatever the health issue that
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they're going through. You're the only person that understands how
to kind of get them into a state where you
can even talk them into understanding that they're having, you know,
these episodes and these issues that they're dealing with. You're
the only person that just can understand what you're dealing with,
to be honest with you, because no one else is
there every single day. So in listening to her speak,
(10:58):
those what she's talking about, people would never understand, like
the way that I'm seeing people react as if you know,
her method of going about taking care of her husband
is too much like it's too forceful, it's she's in
too much control. I saw people, you know, almost insinuating that, like,
you know, he you know, at this point, is under
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a control that he has no power of, and just
various different things. And you know, for me, I've just
learned in these type of situations that when someone is
being treated health wise, you gotta give that person and
the person that is caring for them every single day
the room to do what they need to do to
get through every single day. What she is going about
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doing and how she's going about doing it, we probably
will never understand it ever, because even in talking to them,
from the beginning of the interview to the end of
the interview, literally I remember saying to myself, this is
a lot deeper than people understand.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
He is going through a lot more than people understand.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
And thank God for Keisha kay Or because she probably
saved his life on multiple occasions. She talked about, you know,
one time where they had this condo on Miami, and
she said her biggest fear. She never thought that he
would hurt her, but her biggest fear was that he
would hurt himself. And one of her thoughts was he
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may jump over the balcony of the condo in Miami
because of mentally what he was going through, and that
would keep her up at night. Literally, let's take a
listen to that.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
It's scary, like like we had a condo where we
were on like the penthouse and I'm like, shit, is
he gonna jump? Is the voice gonna tell him to jump?
Like That's the scary part, not me being scared of
him hurting me.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
So for people to say she's doing a bit too much,
he gives sedated as if he can't make his own decisions.
I think, you know, what we're seeing is her having
to do exactly what needs to be done because she's
been fighting this battle.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
With him throughout the diagnosis and all the treatment.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
And she's working with the doctors like a lot of
it is just like mind your business. And I think
it's really unfair too that because I know Keisha ki
Or said in the interview.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I asked her, like, you know, what do you do
when you feel like the walls are.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Caving in because it gets there, it gets really really dark,
man like you, because.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
You can't talk to anybody.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
People react how you know, people are reacting right now
online where everybody has opinions about what you should be doing,
how you should be feeling, what the person should be doing,
what they shouldn't be doing, how they should be treated.
You're dealing with so much alone. And she said this.
She says she doesn't get help. She says she doesn't
talk to anybody. She's happy when he's happy. And I
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completely understand that, but boy, it has to be heavy
because now on top of them, she did such a
good job for so many years keeping this in their
household and getting it to a point where he is
alive and he is he's well, and he's able to
you know, and he's in the interview speaking for himself.
(14:19):
Y'all are acting like this man's not sitting right here.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
But she's done such.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
A good job of protecting home and making it a
space where he can do what he needs to do
to continue to be well. But now they're letting it
out to the world. They're on this book tour, the
album is out. He's talking about things and That's another
thing as well too that I thought about. I'm like,
you know, there's so many different things that still trigger me.
(14:44):
And I wasn't a person that was dealing with someone
with mental health issues as you know, deep as I
learned that Gucci's was. But there are certain videos that
I you know, I was trying to log and like
keep up with, you know, everything that we dealing with,
and there's certain photos I'll see in my phone from
that time period, and it just takes me in a
(15:04):
whole different space. I can't imagine what it's like for
Keisha ky Or after this interview. She's getting a bunch
of positive feedback too as well. She said that, but
I know people are calling who didn't really understand how
deep it was. I know people are reaching out and
you know, apologizing for not being there as much as
they probably feel like they should have been after watching
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this interview, and all of that is triggering, people expressing
their unwanted opinions. Everything is so it's triggering for not
only her but for him. And she again, she's there,
She's dealing with this every single day. I don't know
about y'all, but after sitting in this interview, and speaking
with them. One of the biggest things I walked away
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with feeling is like, if ain't nobody else gonna do
it for you in your life when you get to
a point where you have no one else to turn
to and you don't even understand what's going on with yourself.
Because he knew something was not right, he knew we
needed some help right, but he wasn't at the point
where he wanted to deal with it and really dive
(16:08):
into it and see what exactly it was and learn
how to treat it. She came in, she said, and
was like, I'm gonna help him. If you ain't got
nobody else, baby, the way that your wife, your husband
is supposed to love on you. I'm like, man, this
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is what it's about. Like, this is what union is about,
This is what love and family is about.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
And I'm yo.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I just kept saying to myself, thank God for Keisha
k or like, thank God for her. And that was
my first time meeting Gucci. I don't know him personally,
of course, huge fan who is not a fan of
Gucci man, but just hearing him detail and hearing her detail.
She said one time he stood outside for twenty four
hours and would not come back into the house. Do
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you know how just far gone his mind had to be.
And I'm just thinking, I'm like, this is Gucci man,
Like we look at him as a celebrity, all of
the you know, the cars, the jewelry, the fame, the
you know what I'm saying, and he is in such
a deep fight for his mental stability that she wakes
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up one day and he's standing outside for twenty four hours.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
There was one time he stood outside for twenty four
hours at the door, just standing. I said, get inside. No,
I said, did somebody give you a cookie or lacet?
What is wrong with you? Because I'm not even catching on.
I just want to stand up out here, he said,
another twenty four hours. So I said, okay, there's an
episode coming. I wasn't that good of a pro yet.
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So the episode came like a week or two after that.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
We had no idea. Think I'm like, yo, thank God
for her. She probably saved his life. So I don't
know what conversation you are having about this interview, but
I would say if your conversation is anything other than
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I want a person I love who may be going
through this to watch it. I'm trying to watch it
for myself, you know, to see if I have any
you know, similar triggers or if I'm hearing things that
sound familiar, so like I can figure out like if
I'm a person that like potentially needs to go talk
to somebody whatever, you know, or just watching it with Hey,
I'm sending some love and some admiration, cause it is hard.
(18:33):
It's hard being Gucci and going through this. Think about that,
like it's not just like a it's hard for anybody
dealing with anything health wise. But imagine being a person
and people will say, like, I mean, he has all
the resources and the money and he can get to
the doctors.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yeah, but you still gotta deal with it.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Once you go see the doctor and you get treated
and they tell you the mad you still gotta take
the meds.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
You still got to wake up every day sometimes.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Feeling like what is life and why is life? While
facing your kids and your wife. Your wife is there,
and on top of that, the world is all up
in your business because of who y'all are. There are
so many layers to this. You cannot take anything from
this interview, but thank God for Keisha ky Or and
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the patience and the love that she has for this man.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
And thank God that he got to.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
The point because also too, even if you remove Keisha
k Or from the situation, Gucci needed to get to
a point where we're sitting and having this conversation with
him that we were able to have and to be
honest with y'all, I felt like there was one I
asked him a question in an interview just about you know,
East Atlanta triggering him and some of the triggers from
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his childhood.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Let's take a listen to that.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
It does trigger me going to Eastern Mountay. Yeah, Like
stuff with my mom triggers me. We had a lot
of screen relationship stuff for my youth trigger me, you know,
old friendships. You know that once I there's a lot
of stuff can be triggered. I get, you know, some
songs even triggering me.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
And I could tell, like, as I asked the question,
after hearing so much about like, you know, the triggers
and just how sensitive everything was in my mind, I'm like,
I hope that question doesn't trigger him, because it does
seem very temperamental and it's something that he's you know,
working through and it's new and him you know, going
on the press tour and everything. It's new And Kisha
(20:28):
even said in the interview and he said, you know,
this book kind of almost put him back in a
really bad space. He goes in and out of it
to this day. But he made me want to watch
what I what I was saying in that interview. But
it also made me think about like just moving forward,
like you know, on it was like a self account
of bit like I don't know, like I've been having
these moments lately where I'm just sitting and I'm thinking,
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like is what I'm doing and how I'm doing it?
Like how is that helping or hurting people? In that
moment when I asked him that question, and you know,
there was no malice. I really, you know, after hearing
him say that in an interview, was wondering what other
things he may have discovered from his childhood that he's
had to reface.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
In order to move forward.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
But it didn't feel like he was ready to talk
about it, if I'm be honest with y'all. Didn't feel
like he was ready to talk about that fully. And
again it's a very sensitive thing. But it made me
think about, like, you know, just when you get on
these platforms and you're sitting in these interviews and you
know all the things like we have a job to
do and we're going to ask questions, but just understanding,
Like it's so crazy, how like now we're able.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
To have the luxury to sit.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Back and think like them, Did I just disturb that
person's like well being for the sake of content? Like
I never want to be that person ever, ever, ever, ever.
And I've been seeing so many think pieces on this
interview and TikTok recap videos, and yo, I saw somebody
accuse Kisha ki We a voodoo and witchcraft because he
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sat there and told y'all that his wife at one
point had to to kidnap him to make sure he
was okay and take him to the hospital to save
his life. And I'm like, do people not understand how
their words travel in what that could potentially cause? Like
just so many different things, And like, granted iin't perfect,
(22:17):
you know, I'm in real time like growing up and
learning and experiencing so many different things in front of
you guys, But man, I just want us to readjust
the conversation around this interview. And don't get me wrong,
I've seen so many great reactions as well that I
do want to highlight. I don't want to take time
just for the bs. I want to highlight some of
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the great conversations that I've also seen. I posted the
interview to on my ex account, and I want I
want you guys to hear you know just how people responded,
just to that clip where Kisha ke Or talked about
deleting Gucci's apps.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Dang all the barbs in my mentions.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Nicki Minaj got mad too. I think Nicki Minaj got
mad at us as well. She has some things to
say about us following this Gucci interview. I'm trying to
get down my mentions to get to the reaction to
the Gucci interview, but I keep running into the barbs
being upset because of the way that we covered Nicki
Minaj's morning. I'll read the Nicki Minaj stuff, but let
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me hear so Sunney Saturday shout out to Suney Saturday.
I wear a lot of her bag. She is a
black woman bag designer Fire Too, out of New York.
She says it's so beautiful to see Gucci mature and
share her story with safety of having his wife beside him.
They're helping so many people with this level of transparency,
Maimuna underscore. Joy on X said the transparency in this
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interview highlights not only the love that they have for
each other, but also their love for the black community,
as they're literally saving lives by openly sharing his battle
and mental health.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Yo, I got.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I saw so many people in the comments having conversations
about like just like, hey, I have a family member
who needs to watch this. Hey, this happened to me
and I was able to go to the doctors be diagnosed,
and thank you Gucci for like opening up. I think
it's so different because, like again it's like Gucci has
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been like the Boogeyman, Like he's like a mythical character
like he you know, it's it's big, it's music, it's celebrity,
it's you ain't don't don't mess with Gucci, you know
what I mean. Like it's always been that about him,
but now it's like it's it's vulnerable, it's honest. It's
him talking about shame, embarrassment him and him apologizing for things,
(24:46):
him explaining things that you know, even he says in
the moment he did not remember or couldn't control him
talking about how you know the medicines he's been prescribed
are helping him therapy, Uh, you know, facing you know,
his relationship, you know, or lack facing what wasn't perfect.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
In the relationship that he had with his mother.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
It's the maturity, I think, because there's so many people
that look up the Gucci and I think there's certain
artists of you know, just our time that have such
a big cultural impact, and Gucci Man is definitely one
of them.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
And it goes from generation to generation and generation.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
So to hear those people be like, look, I ain't
got it all together, and you know, there's points where
I'm weak and I'm out of control and you know,
and I'm this and I'm that. But I had to
get myself in check. I had to go do real
things to help myself. That's impactful. And I think that's
what a career, not that you know, this is something
(25:43):
that he's doing because he has to for his career.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
He's really battling this in real life.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
But you know, I started this by saying that I've
been thinking a lot about like dang and what I
and what I do every single day, Like how am
I helping people. Sitting in that interview and listening to
him be so honest about stuff and wanting to talk
about it and being excited that he's helping people through this,
(26:07):
I'm like, Yo, this is this is what the full
circle looks like. Like you start one way and you
end another, but you use where you started to reach everybody,
like the way church is supposed to be, like come
as you are. It's like a use everybody or use
everything to reach everybody. And that's like the beauty of
(26:28):
just black art too, Like hip hop and music intertwined
so many different people, so many different things, situations, all
of that. But when you think about artists that are impactful,
that are influential in hip hop and just the way
that they can sway audiences all over the world, when
those artists begin to do that and speak like realness
(26:52):
around tough situations like mental health, and it's just so
fired I see, and it's so fared because it's real
and it's authentic. And he didn't have to share this
with us. He did not have to share this with
us whatsoever. Because the way Keisha ki Or was holding
it down, I don't think we would have ever really
known the extent of you know what Gucci was dealing with,
(27:13):
because she has been just so good at creating that
space for him. He made the personal choice to open
up about his life about something that he battles with
day to day. Right now, I know this is like
probably like Lauren and the you're saying this on the internet.
Just let's just all be a little bit more thoughtful
(27:33):
as we're reacting to these conversations because the conspiracy theories
that y'all have, I'm just like, bro, what like, what
is happening? Please take me out of it. Please take
me out of the group chat, take me out of
this rabbit hole. But all in all, was a great conversation.
Make sure you guys go check out that full interview
with Gucci Man Keisha ky Or on the Breakfast Club.
(27:53):
It'll definitely change the way you think about, you know,
just dealing with people you love and very sensitive and
vuner situations.
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on into it.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Gucci Min Keisha ki Or came.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
On the Breakfast Club and Wow was the conversation. Like
I knew the conversation was going to be a good conversation.
I'm a huge fan of Gucci's of course, really really
big fan of kishk Wor. I remember being in college
and like you know, we was doing the color lipsticks
and the hair and you know, all the things because
Or had or she still does have keshki Or cosmetics,
(00:56):
but I don't know if she had us in a
choke hold at that time. The girls that had the
hair with the middle like little mohawk. I never did
a little little little you know, mohawk dingy thingy, but
being at Dell State.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
During that time.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Being at college during that time, you really got to
see the impact of both of these people. So sitting
here with them, you know, whenever I'm at breakfast club
is always like, damn, I'm really you know what I mean, Like,
I'm really sitting here with the But then they're they're
Gucci is in a different space in his life. He's
talking about, you know, everything he's dealing with, you know,
mental health wise. And the book and the album Episodes
(01:29):
is out, So I knew it was going to be
an open and vulnerable conversation, but I had no idea
I want to take a second to just talk about
some of the things that we talked about in some
of the ways I saw people responding to the interview
in total, So, Kisha k Or and Gucci, you know,
they are married, they now have two kids together, and
(01:51):
from the outside looking in, before we learned that Gucci,
you know, was dealing with mental struggles of his own,
their relationship has been one that you know, trends a
lot of times as a fairy tale. From the story
about Gucci giving Keisha ko Or the money before he
went to jail and her flipping the money and him
coming home to all this money, and you know, just
(02:12):
you always see the videos and the photos of the
lobsters and them, you know, they dressed it like they fly,
they walking into concerts, doing this, doing that. But to
hear the other side of things where it's like in
real life she is. And I think, you know, when
you're married, you are your life's like you are your
partner's lifeline. But I think it's in such a different
(02:34):
way when that person is dealing with anything, you know,
in any type of sickness, whether it's a mental health
situation or it's you know, a physical disability, it's just different.
And I think them being vulnerable and opening up and
talking about this not even think I know. Keisha ki
Or literally just posted to her Instagram that someone reached
(02:55):
out to her. She said that she had been getting
flooded by dms every since the Breakfast Club interview. But
she says, specifically, right before I walked into this podcast,
I saw her post that there was a mom who says,
my son was watching that interview. He finally would be
honest with himself about the fact that he does have
mental health struggles and that he does need some help.
Thank you, because now they're able to actually go and
(03:17):
do something about it. And Gucci talked a bit in
this interview just about you know what that looked like
shame wise for him and why you know it kind
of took him so long to come around and just say, Yo,
here's what's going on with me.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Let's take a listen. I wonder what the psychology is
behind that, Like why when you going through an episode.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
You give away money and I don't know, you don't
care your mind because the money don't is not You're
kind of like inn a warp world. It's almost like
it's a psychosist. You know what I'm saying. It's not
you're dealing with stuff like hearing voices. Yeah they have
money now and you're hearing voices too, Like it's telling
you that. You know, you might think that Charloa Mane
trying to I might think that you're trying to fight me.
You ain't even did nothing. We'll be like, bro, I
(03:54):
ain't doing nothing to tell you what's wrong. Like I'll
be trying to fight you, Charlae man like you did this.
You know what you did? You stole something from me.
He'd be like, but in my mind, I'm like it's
the truth. So that's what I used to deal with.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
How did therapy in the self work change your relationship
with anger? And like, do you still wrestle with that
same in a voice that you talk about throughout the book?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
I don't. I don't. It's like I seen a therapist.
I gotta I gotta sort taking medicine to prescribe for
me what she thought any worked and I haven't had
any other problems now.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
One of the things that I think, you know, I
knew that there was going to be something fallout because
Keisha k Or has said, you know, my man don't
got to do nothing but relax.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Basically, here's what she actually said.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
I treat Gucci so good, Like I know, I said this.
When he first came out of present, I would bathe him.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
And what I don't bathe him no more.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
But I used to bathe him. Now I still cook
for him. The only thing Gucci gotta do is shower.
He don't gotta do nothing else. I do everything for
that man, but not because I have to do. I
want to.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
I enjoyed taking care of him.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
I enjoy him just being happy, going to the studio
and doing music. I don't want him to worry about
the bills, worry about what you gotta eat, worry about
nothing that man, all you gotta do is babe child
and go do his shows and go to the studio.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
That is it.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
The wife takes care of everything else, and I love
doing it, and if I don't do it, I would
be miserable.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
When she sat down with Carlos King, for you know,
the conversation she had with Carlos King, the world was
in a uproar period, like people could not understand what
she meant.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
By I make peace, I make home for my man.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Even though again at that time, I didn't fully understand
the extent of, you know, Gucci's struggles.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
People were in an uproar.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
So when she was talking about a lot of the
different things in our interview at the Breakfast Club that
she had to do just to make sure he got
through and gets through actively you know what his struggles
are mentally, I knew that people were.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Going to have something to say.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Now, let's say, to listen to keishak k or talk
about how she was able to protect Gucci from the
world while he was going through what was happening mentally,
because a lot of y'all because of this or I
don't know, Like the reaction to her talking about how
she protected him in this situation has been a little
odd to me. Like I saw people saying like always
(06:22):
given caregate caretaker more than his given wife, and I'm like, Wow,
people really don't understand what it's like to deal with
someone who is dealing with something health wise. You instantly
become a caretaker. You don't have a choice because even
if you bring people in, they don't love, nurture or
have the patience. Yo, the patience is the biggest thing.
(06:45):
They don't have the patience like you have for the
person you love. And it's twenty four to seven, especially
when somebody's dealing with something with mental health. Let'say listen
to Keisha Ki or talk about, you know, deleting Gucci's
apps off his phone so that the world didn't know
what he was going through after his last molt down
with all those tweets for you, what was it like
just trying to protect the business that you guys have built.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
Wow, I have a sister. I take his apps off
his phone. First thing I do. I delete Instagram, I
delete everything. Even if I got to change his password.
I'm changing it because I don't need the public to
know he's having an episode. You realize, you'd never know
about any other episodes since September thirteen because I control that,
because you're not going on Instagram, you're not going on Twitter.
(07:27):
It's deleted, you know, And I just control everything at home.
And now before the episodes come, I catch it. So
that's why he hasn't had another one. And how you
catch that is he doesn't speak to you, he wants
to be left alone. He don't eat, he does not sleep,
text messages, there's a period after each word, and I'm like,
(07:48):
you're going through an episode.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
You're sick. No, I'm not. Ain't not wrong with me.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Why do you think that you're not speaking to me? Well,
there's nothing to talk about. I said, well, that's not
how you speak to your wife. And I'm like, you're sick,
and we snap out of it right then.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Okay, So this clip right here is what caused a
lot of the conversation. I've seen several think pieces since
this clip made it to the public, since this interview
made it to the public, And you know, I think
it's what I learned when dealing with people who have
(08:27):
mental challenges and you know, physical health challenges, is that
you're literally in a world of your own when you
are caring for those people, they're in the a world
of their own. Like I remember, you know, and my
mom's you know stuff is a lot different than Gucci's.
(08:48):
But because my mom had a head trauma, when we
called my mom's cancer was brain cancer first, and then
we tracked it back to lung. She had to get
she had to do a biopsy on her brain and
I remember, oh, for like the first four months after that,
(09:09):
just in trying to care for her, there would be
so many times and so many different things that she.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Would say and do and.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
It was like it was it was so when Keisha
ky Or said, you're not she says, I'm not dealing
with Gucci, meaning like he's out of this is not
him right now. This is this is the you know,
the the health challenge that she's dealing with right now.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
I really understood it because the way that my mom's.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Mental was set up for some time and she's I
don't she's good, but I wouldn't say she's one hundred
percent still. I think, you know, trauma to your brain
is trauma to your brain under so much duress, and
you know all the things, but there would be things
that she would say and I remember like having to
call FEM members and they would just be like, you know,
(10:02):
you just got to realize you're not dealing with her.
Even my friend, like I would call a friend who
had went through something similar with their parents, and she
would always tell me like, just remember this is you're
not dealing with.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Your mom right now.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
And when your mom comes into her right mind, like
it's different. But even in reaching out to people, they
you just don't get it, like you're literally in your
own world because it's just you and this person. You're
the only person that kind of understands, like you know
what the triggers are for whatever the health issue that
(10:36):
they're going through. You're the only person that understands how
to kind of get them into a state where you
can even talk them into understanding that they're having, you know,
these episodes and these issues that they're dealing with. You're
the only person that just can understand what you're dealing with,
to be honest with you, because no one else is
there every single day. So in listening to her speak,
(10:58):
those what she's talking about, people would never understand, like
the way that I'm seeing people react as if you know,
her method of going about taking care of her husband
is too much like it's too forceful, it's she's in
too much control. I saw people, you know, almost insinuating that, like,
you know, he you know, at this point, is under
(11:22):
a control that he has no power of, and just
various different things. And you know, for me, I've just
learned in these type of situations that when someone is
being treated health wise, you gotta give that person and
the person that is caring for them every single day
the room to do what they need to do to
get through every single day. What she is going about
(11:44):
doing and how she's going about doing it, we probably
will never understand it ever, because even in talking to them,
from the beginning of the interview to the end of
the interview, literally I remember saying to myself, this is
a lot deeper than people understand.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
He is going through a lot more than people understand.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
And thank God for Keisha kay Or because she probably
saved his life on multiple occasions. She talked about, you know,
one time where they had this condo on Miami, and
she said her biggest fear. She never thought that he
would hurt her, but her biggest fear was that he
would hurt himself. And one of her thoughts was he
(12:26):
may jump over the balcony of the condo in Miami
because of mentally what he was going through, and that
would keep her up at night. Literally, let's take a
listen to that.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
It's scary, like like we had a condo where we
were on like the penthouse and I'm like, shit, is
he gonna jump? Is the voice gonna tell him to jump?
Like That's the scary part, not me being scared of
him hurting me.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
So for people to say she's doing a bit too much,
he gives sedated as if he can't make his own decisions.
I think, you know, what we're seeing is her having
to do exactly what needs to be done because she's
been fighting this battle.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
With him throughout the diagnosis and all the treatment.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
And she's working with the doctors like a lot of
it is just like mind your business. And I think
it's really unfair too that because I know Keisha ki
Or said in the interview.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I asked her, like, you know, what do you do
when you feel like the walls are.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Caving in because it gets there, it gets really really dark,
man like you, because.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
You can't talk to anybody.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
People react how you know, people are reacting right now
online where everybody has opinions about what you should be doing,
how you should be feeling, what the person should be doing,
what they shouldn't be doing, how they should be treated.
You're dealing with so much alone. And she said this.
She says she doesn't get help. She says she doesn't
talk to anybody. She's happy when he's happy. And I
(13:58):
completely understand that, but boy, it has to be heavy
because now on top of them, she did such a
good job for so many years keeping this in their
household and getting it to a point where he is
alive and he is he's well, and he's able to
you know, and he's in the interview speaking for himself.
(14:19):
Y'all are acting like this man's not sitting right here.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
But she's done such.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
A good job of protecting home and making it a
space where he can do what he needs to do
to continue to be well. But now they're letting it
out to the world. They're on this book tour, the
album is out. He's talking about things and That's another
thing as well too that I thought about. I'm like,
you know, there's so many different things that still trigger me.
(14:44):
And I wasn't a person that was dealing with someone
with mental health issues as you know, deep as I
learned that Gucci's was. But there are certain videos that
I you know, I was trying to log and like
keep up with, you know, everything that we dealing with,
and there's certain photos I'll see in my phone from
that time period, and it just takes me in a
(15:04):
whole different space. I can't imagine what it's like for
Keisha ky Or after this interview. She's getting a bunch
of positive feedback too as well. She said that, but
I know people are calling who didn't really understand how
deep it was. I know people are reaching out and
you know, apologizing for not being there as much as
they probably feel like they should have been after watching
(15:25):
this interview, and all of that is triggering, people expressing
their unwanted opinions. Everything is so it's triggering for not
only her but for him. And she again, she's there,
She's dealing with this every single day. I don't know
about y'all, but after sitting in this interview, and speaking
with them. One of the biggest things I walked away
(15:47):
with feeling is like, if ain't nobody else gonna do
it for you in your life when you get to
a point where you have no one else to turn
to and you don't even understand what's going on with yourself.
Because he knew something was not right, he knew we
needed some help right, but he wasn't at the point
where he wanted to deal with it and really dive
(16:08):
into it and see what exactly it was and learn
how to treat it. She came in, she said, and
was like, I'm gonna help him. If you ain't got
nobody else, baby, the way that your wife, your husband
is supposed to love on you. I'm like, man, this
(16:29):
is what it's about. Like, this is what union is about,
This is what love and family is about.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
And I'm yo.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I just kept saying to myself, thank God for Keisha
k or like, thank God for her. And that was
my first time meeting Gucci. I don't know him personally,
of course, huge fan who is not a fan of
Gucci man, but just hearing him detail and hearing her detail.
She said one time he stood outside for twenty four
hours and would not come back into the house. Do
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you know how just far gone his mind had to be.
And I'm just thinking, I'm like, this is Gucci man,
Like we look at him as a celebrity, all of
the you know, the cars, the jewelry, the fame, the
you know what I'm saying, and he is in such
a deep fight for his mental stability that she wakes
(17:22):
up one day and he's standing outside for twenty four hours.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
There was one time he stood outside for twenty four
hours at the door, just standing. I said, get inside. No,
I said, did somebody give you a cookie or lacet?
What is wrong with you? Because I'm not even catching on.
I just want to stand up out here, he said,
another twenty four hours. So I said, okay, there's an
episode coming. I wasn't that good of a pro yet.
(17:46):
So the episode came like a week or two after that.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
We had no idea. Think I'm like, yo, thank God
for her. She probably saved his life. So I don't
know what conversation you are having about this interview, but
I would say if your conversation is anything other than
(18:11):
I want a person I love who may be going
through this to watch it. I'm trying to watch it
for myself, you know, to see if I have any
you know, similar triggers or if I'm hearing things that
sound familiar, so like I can figure out like if
I'm a person that like potentially needs to go talk
to somebody whatever, you know, or just watching it with Hey,
I'm sending some love and some admiration, cause it is hard.
(18:33):
It's hard being Gucci and going through this. Think about that,
like it's not just like a it's hard for anybody
dealing with anything health wise. But imagine being a person
and people will say, like, I mean, he has all
the resources and the money and he can get to
the doctors.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yeah, but you still gotta deal with it.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Once you go see the doctor and you get treated
and they tell you the mad you still gotta take
the meds.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
You still got to wake up every day sometimes.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Feeling like what is life and why is life? While
facing your kids and your wife. Your wife is there,
and on top of that, the world is all up
in your business because of who y'all are. There are
so many layers to this. You cannot take anything from
this interview, but thank God for Keisha ky Or and
(19:19):
the patience and the love that she has for this man.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
And thank God that he got to.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
The point because also too, even if you remove Keisha
k Or from the situation, Gucci needed to get to
a point where we're sitting and having this conversation with
him that we were able to have and to be
honest with y'all, I felt like there was one I
asked him a question in an interview just about you know,
East Atlanta triggering him and some of the triggers from
(19:45):
his childhood.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Let's take a listen to that.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
It does trigger me going to Eastern Mountay. Yeah, Like
stuff with my mom triggers me. We had a lot
of screen relationship stuff for my youth trigger me, you know,
old friendships. You know that once I there's a lot
of stuff can be triggered. I get, you know, some
songs even triggering me.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
And I could tell, like, as I asked the question,
after hearing so much about like, you know, the triggers
and just how sensitive everything was in my mind, I'm like,
I hope that question doesn't trigger him, because it does
seem very temperamental and it's something that he's you know,
working through and it's new and him you know, going
on the press tour and everything. It's new And Kisha
(20:28):
even said in the interview and he said, you know,
this book kind of almost put him back in a
really bad space. He goes in and out of it
to this day. But he made me want to watch
what I what I was saying in that interview. But
it also made me think about like just moving forward,
like you know, on it was like a self account
of bit like I don't know, like I've been having
these moments lately where I'm just sitting and I'm thinking,
(20:50):
like is what I'm doing and how I'm doing it?
Like how is that helping or hurting people? In that
moment when I asked him that question, and you know,
there was no malice. I really, you know, after hearing
him say that in an interview, was wondering what other
things he may have discovered from his childhood that he's
had to reface.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
In order to move forward.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
But it didn't feel like he was ready to talk
about it, if I'm be honest with y'all. Didn't feel
like he was ready to talk about that fully. And
again it's a very sensitive thing. But it made me
think about, like, you know, just when you get on
these platforms and you're sitting in these interviews and you
know all the things like we have a job to
do and we're going to ask questions, but just understanding,
Like it's so crazy, how like now we're able.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
To have the luxury to sit.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Back and think like them, Did I just disturb that
person's like well being for the sake of content? Like
I never want to be that person ever, ever, ever, ever.
And I've been seeing so many think pieces on this
interview and TikTok recap videos, and yo, I saw somebody
accuse Kisha ki We a voodoo and witchcraft because he
(21:56):
sat there and told y'all that his wife at one
point had to to kidnap him to make sure he
was okay and take him to the hospital to save
his life. And I'm like, do people not understand how
their words travel in what that could potentially cause? Like
just so many different things, And like, granted iin't perfect,
(22:17):
you know, I'm in real time like growing up and
learning and experiencing so many different things in front of
you guys, But man, I just want us to readjust
the conversation around this interview. And don't get me wrong,
I've seen so many great reactions as well that I
do want to highlight. I don't want to take time
just for the bs. I want to highlight some of
(22:38):
the great conversations that I've also seen. I posted the
interview to on my ex account, and I want I
want you guys to hear you know just how people responded,
just to that clip where Kisha ke Or talked about
deleting Gucci's apps.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Dang all the barbs in my mentions.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Nicki Minaj got mad too. I think Nicki Minaj got
mad at us as well. She has some things to
say about us following this Gucci interview. I'm trying to
get down my mentions to get to the reaction to
the Gucci interview, but I keep running into the barbs
being upset because of the way that we covered Nicki
Minaj's morning. I'll read the Nicki Minaj stuff, but let
(23:27):
me hear so Sunney Saturday shout out to Suney Saturday.
I wear a lot of her bag. She is a
black woman bag designer Fire Too, out of New York.
She says it's so beautiful to see Gucci mature and
share her story with safety of having his wife beside him.
They're helping so many people with this level of transparency,
Maimuna underscore. Joy on X said the transparency in this
(23:51):
interview highlights not only the love that they have for
each other, but also their love for the black community,
as they're literally saving lives by openly sharing his battle
and mental health.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Yo, I got.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I saw so many people in the comments having conversations
about like just like, hey, I have a family member
who needs to watch this. Hey, this happened to me
and I was able to go to the doctors be diagnosed,
and thank you Gucci for like opening up. I think
it's so different because, like again it's like Gucci has
(24:25):
been like the Boogeyman, Like he's like a mythical character
like he you know, it's it's big, it's music, it's celebrity,
it's you ain't don't don't mess with Gucci, you know
what I mean. Like it's always been that about him,
but now it's like it's it's vulnerable, it's honest. It's
him talking about shame, embarrassment him and him apologizing for things,
(24:46):
him explaining things that you know, even he says in
the moment he did not remember or couldn't control him
talking about how you know the medicines he's been prescribed
are helping him therapy, Uh, you know, facing you know,
his relationship, you know, or lack facing what wasn't perfect.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
In the relationship that he had with his mother.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
It's the maturity, I think, because there's so many people
that look up the Gucci and I think there's certain
artists of you know, just our time that have such
a big cultural impact, and Gucci Man is definitely one
of them.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
And it goes from generation to generation and generation.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
So to hear those people be like, look, I ain't
got it all together, and you know, there's points where
I'm weak and I'm out of control and you know,
and I'm this and I'm that. But I had to
get myself in check. I had to go do real
things to help myself. That's impactful. And I think that's
what a career, not that you know, this is something
(25:43):
that he's doing because he has to for his career.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
He's really battling this in real life.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
But you know, I started this by saying that I've
been thinking a lot about like dang and what I
and what I do every single day, Like how am
I helping people. Sitting in that interview and listening to
him be so honest about stuff and wanting to talk
about it and being excited that he's helping people through this,
(26:07):
I'm like, Yo, this is this is what the full
circle looks like. Like you start one way and you
end another, but you use where you started to reach everybody,
like the way church is supposed to be, like come
as you are. It's like a use everybody or use
everything to reach everybody. And that's like the beauty of
(26:28):
just black art too, Like hip hop and music intertwined
so many different people, so many different things, situations, all
of that. But when you think about artists that are impactful,
that are influential in hip hop and just the way
that they can sway audiences all over the world, when
those artists begin to do that and speak like realness
(26:52):
around tough situations like mental health, and it's just so
fired I see, and it's so fared because it's real
and it's authentic. And he didn't have to share this
with us. He did not have to share this with
us whatsoever. Because the way Keisha ki Or was holding
it down, I don't think we would have ever really
known the extent of you know what Gucci was dealing with,
(27:13):
because she has been just so good at creating that
space for him. He made the personal choice to open
up about his life about something that he battles with
day to day. Right now, I know this is like
probably like Lauren and the you're saying this on the internet.
Just let's just all be a little bit more thoughtful
(27:33):
as we're reacting to these conversations because the conspiracy theories
that y'all have, I'm just like, bro, what like, what
is happening? Please take me out of it. Please take
me out of the group chat, take me out of
this rabbit hole. But all in all, was a great conversation.
Make sure you guys go check out that full interview
with Gucci Man Keisha ky Or on the Breakfast Club.
(27:53):
It'll definitely change the way you think about, you know,
just dealing with people you love and very sensitive and
vuner situations.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
I'm Laurna Rosa. This is the latest with Laura Rosa.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
At the end of the day, I tell you, guys,
every episode my Lowriders, y'all could be anywhere with anybody
having a conversation about this. But y'all choose to be
right here with me. I appreciate y'all for that. I
will catch you in my next episode.
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