No Ceilings: Conversations About Drake’s Lawsuit

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No
Sealers Podcast with your hosts now fuck that with your
loaw glasses malone check check check. Yeah, we're finna get

(00:26):
to it. An emergency broadcast. You feel me for today
because uh, it's some unprecedented, unprecedented things that's happening in
hip hop. Crooked Cam, they've been in hip hop before
I even thought about getting this thing we called the
record business.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
You feel me.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
They they've they've Yeah, they've been in this thing for
I even thought about being a rapper anything. And I'm
sure this is a first for them.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
I'm sure this is a first for them.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
So we go really get into this conversation really quick
soon as still pops back on here so we could
adjustice screen. But it's definitely one of those days.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Pete.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Did you read up on it?

Speaker 4 (01:15):
I read up on it a bit, and I don't
know that much in this particular area of civil law,
but I know this much. When a rap beef bleeds
into the course, I'll put my money on the half
Jewish guy every single day and twice on the shops.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, I have zero faith is gonna work out for him.
I don't think he Jewish Enough's cotton the rock.

Speaker 5 (01:40):
At the hard Place.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
I think you've played against the real This ain't the
South Bay Lakers. He played against the Los Angeles Lakers.
It's a different game. It's a different game.

Speaker 5 (01:52):
Up here with the real Unsino Lakers.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Still is slowing the stream down? Come on still? Where
you at?

Speaker 2 (02:03):
There you go?

Speaker 3 (02:05):
There you go. I was looking.

Speaker 5 (02:12):
You're a great You never looked at you.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
You put it on your phone instead?

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Man, Yeah, I want to put it on my phone
when he tell be playing.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Around we got that bad audio happening.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Yeah, man, you know what. I don't know what it is, broke,
but I ain't never done that before anyway.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
No Silings live the Lunch Hour. No, no, this is
the podcast. We're just doing it live. This is an
unprecedented time in hip hop, in rap music. Some of
this stuff never in life happened. I cannot believe this
is happening. This is an important time. So I brought

(02:53):
some really special people. I brought Crooked Eye, and I
brought my big brother Cam. I brought my brother Pete,
and I brought Stell so we could really unpack this thing.
Because I've been talking to my homeboy lit Pappy, he
Poppy is driving me crazy. It's silliness and people are

(03:16):
not being honest about what they are witnessing. Cap you
should be in court right now. You should be in
court right now because you are in a battle.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Somebody should sue you.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
He lawyer.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
The reason we are here is Drake. Drake has soon.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
He accuses you MG and Spotify of manipulating the market
to artificially inflate Kendrick Lamar's disk track not Like Us.
The court filing claims un GU, Spotify, and Apple Serie
to push Not Like Us over Drake tracks. Employees perceived

(04:09):
as lawyer to Drake were allegedly fired as part of
an effort to cover up un g's action. UMG paid
influencers and radio stations to boost Lamar's songs without disclosure.
A whistleblower revealed Box generated thirty million early streams for

(04:30):
Not Like Us. Drake is accusing UMG and Spotify of
violating the RICO Act and a New York law h
I mean so bad he decided to sue his own
label that they are both signed to.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Now.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Listen, Crooked, listen, Cam, y'all have been in hip hop
for sure, big Bro, you've been in hip hop as
long as I can remember. Yeah, Crookeet, you've been in
hip hop at least thirty years for sure, for sure,
for sure. Now not at the professional level, I would imagine.
I don't know if he was professionally signed in nineteen
ninety four, but I know it was getting close to

(05:15):
when Cricket I was getting his first record deal around
not within that six seven years. Is this by far
the greatest distract of all time? Just at least off
of the reaction, off of the behavior. See I know
when I'm talking to g he said the greatest, greatest.

(05:47):
So with that being said, I can agree with you
on that, big Bro. It's the biggest. It's the biggest
to ever.

Speaker 6 (05:56):
You know what I'm saying, Like, well, it had you know,
the table has been set for it to become one
of the greatest disrecords ever because we are in the
social media technology streaming era, and the globe is connected
in ways that the globe was not connected with some
of our favorite disc records.

Speaker 7 (06:14):
Drop, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (06:15):
So the table is set for it to be one
of the greatest, if not the greatest, this record.

Speaker 7 (06:21):
And let me just put this out here.

Speaker 6 (06:23):
Same day that it dropped, I went on record on
my Instagram same day and I said, Kendrick just dropped
the top five disc record of all time.

Speaker 7 (06:33):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (06:34):
And they can go back and check my Instagram same
day a drop because.

Speaker 7 (06:38):
I understood the frequency he was on.

Speaker 6 (06:40):
I understood that he was touching a nerve and he
was moving the street culture in a way that you know,
once the youngins in the streets get something, it's very
hard to stop, you feel me. So he did that
and I recognized it right away. So yeah, I ain't
mad at that.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Set me bro, big bro, you you you released this
tracks in the history of West Coast music, one of
the most scathing disc tracks, like like hot acid, burn
skin off your body.

Speaker 8 (07:22):
Mmhmm.

Speaker 9 (07:23):
I think man, I think it's the greatest man. You know,
every every generation had a had a sound that they
think is is tight, you know to the youngsters. Now
we might sound out dated or something like that. So
this is the language, just the vibe. This the frequency
that the youth is on, and the youth always run revolution.

(07:45):
You know, you got older here is like like myself
might be behind the scenes trying to trying to give
guidance to them. But the youth gonna do what they're
gonna do. You know what I'm saying. The youth is
gonna they gonna run it. And uh, from what I
can see, this is this is the greatest dis record
of all of all time.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Like, you know, what.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Could you imagine if if Q would.

Speaker 8 (08:10):
Assuthe you did?

Speaker 2 (08:15):
But I mean it happened, na.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
Big bro.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
You you you saw Hupac. You saw hit him up
up close and personal. Yeah right, like still you saw
hit him up close, up close and personal. You saw
no vassiline. You were coming into your adulthood around that time.
You know, you was barely hitting twenty. You saw ether.

(08:41):
Have you ever saw a dis track that made somebody
react like this? You even saw fifty this job ruthe.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
Man, this is the worst. This is the craatest dis
track of all time. It's almost like he's pulling this
dude in Gona.

Speaker 8 (08:57):
Tell absolutely this dude is crying.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
Man, this dude is really sad right now. And I'm
gonna tell you what it is. This dude is almost
just being overwhelmed right now. Man, Kendrick, You know, not
only did he slapt him around with the record, but
then he comes out with one of the greatest albums of.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
All time, is a really great album.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
So this dude is just like, he's just discombobulated right now. Man,
i'ma be real with you. I'm really worried about Drake
right now. Man, I'm thinking about calling my people because
they didn't even play with I think he's something from depression.

Speaker 10 (09:30):
Man.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
This dude might mess around, timp off a bridge or something.

Speaker 9 (09:32):
Man, he need that wellness check. Man.

Speaker 5 (09:37):
Well, Canadians are not a wartime people, and that's not.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
What I'm I'm being dead serious. I ain't joking, man,
Drake is going through something right now, and ain't nobody
in this camp man enough to tell a man you're
looking real crazy right though? Man, you think he cares
about you?

Speaker 6 (09:58):
Think he cared about the optics, because I'm sure when
you are a big a brand as big as Drake,
everything that you do is well at least communicated amongst
your team. So they had to understand that it would
be some backlash. Even though we in a different era
like this era, It's been proven over the last decade

(10:21):
that a rapper can damn near do anything and if
he drop a hot song, it'll be forgiven.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
He fuck, he don't drop a couple of duds in
the road. Dog, it's over with Dog.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
I think this is different, like the house has been
burned down. Like I in the first seventy two hours,
I was like this song not that beyond the verses,
I haven't heard this track that had to hook it
like rocked, like in the club and shit like that.
But besides that, what Kendrick did. He kicked Drake out

(10:58):
of a community. He did that in seventy two hours.
He made him walk that they were all at they
he made him walk the plank and he's trying to
sue his way back onto the boat.

Speaker 7 (11:13):
So so do you think so do you think that
is uh?

Speaker 6 (11:17):
That his personal community that he's built up, that's a
pretty big community. I mean when I'm on when I'm
on Elion's Act, they already saying he not suing Kendrick,
He's swing. UMG, this ain't about the rap beef. This
is about business that he has a lot of people

(11:39):
already forming that perspective and trying to push that narrative.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
You gonna understand this was right for He's like Taylor Swift.
He like the Backstreet Boys. You go ahead, the little
fan based like Beyonnest they got to be he go ahead.
The drinks whatever they call these, the drinks. You have
the tricks in this corner like ye. But I'm gonna
tell you, man, I heard this man's.

Speaker 7 (12:01):
Mom even locked him out the house dog.

Speaker 8 (12:05):
He's this.

Speaker 5 (12:06):
This is the of getting knocked out and then like trying.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
To readjudicate whether or not the guy had juiced up gloves.

Speaker 6 (12:19):
I think, I think the I think what's gonna happen?
You got a worst case scenario, in the best case scenario,
best case scenario. They they don't they they don't even
entertain this. Somebody in his ear telling them to go
on ahead and drop that. Don't even proceed to try to,
you know, pursue that worst case scenario. This shit worse

(12:40):
than Epstein list dog.

Speaker 7 (12:42):
Because what's.

Speaker 6 (12:44):
What's gonna happen is is everybody every like Box. To
the people out there who are not inside the industry,
they might think, wow, somebody using Box, But everybody in
this room right now understands that Box and AI gets
used all the time for some your favorite artists, most
of your favorite artists, your artist, your favorite artists might

(13:04):
not even.

Speaker 7 (13:04):
Know that it's being that Box are being used.

Speaker 6 (13:07):
It ain't like Kendrick is sitting at a computer in
a farm with a thousand devices, so it don't it
don't touch him anyway.

Speaker 7 (13:15):
But the whole thing is all these people using bots.

Speaker 6 (13:19):
So the domino effect and the blowback of trying to
bring all this to the forefront, and you're gonna bring
down some of the biggest artists known to men, and
then the whistleblower doesn't usually come out clean on the
other side of that, you feel me, So this could
be something like this is only the tip of iceberg.

(13:40):
Y'll like, this man is pishing in the wind, though, Bro,
you don't think he's using box.

Speaker 7 (13:47):
Man, Listen, he might not think he using box.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
I'm gonna tell you, Bro. His upress, his upress and
his arrogance probably got him thinking I'm the greatest. I
don't have to that's really believe me. The hot blind
bling and all that stuff got bots on him and stuff.

Speaker 8 (14:05):
On it too.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
And why would he think because he said they're both
on the same label, So why would he think that
his own label only uses boss for the other guy?
And not for him, because he's the label.

Speaker 5 (14:17):
For doing it.

Speaker 8 (14:18):
Hey, I think he keep on playing with Luci and
Grange and then he's gonna.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
Be That's all I was about to say.

Speaker 4 (14:28):
I think Diddy's behind this, because now Diddy has the
second most interesting trial.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
And some Crooked said, this is why I've been saying
he's not hip hop, right, because there's a thing that
and I'll be honest, right, Cam who is one of
the best of us, right, the Nation of Islam cleaned

(14:51):
him up, got him together, Stell who's a father and
a husband and does great things, and Crooked who's been
in this business. We all still worry about the optics.
That's the thing about being street. Street don't mean you
actually have to commit a crime. Street means you protect

(15:12):
your reputation differently because you come from a level of
poverty and you need to keep your reputation intact. Every
last person on the stage not named Pete definitely overvalues
their reputation, and that's the cornerstone of hip hop. Gee, However,

(15:32):
many episodes ago, you asked me why wasn't trying to
get into fights in high school?

Speaker 4 (15:38):
And what did I say? Too hard for me to
get my dad suit.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
So this is what I told him, Krook, I said,
if you want to know if your hip hop is
really simple, the first hip hop lesson most people get right.
The first hip hop lesson is the first time you
go to school and somebody put their hands on and
you come home and you tell your mom and your father, Hey,

(16:06):
somebody put their hands on me. If your parents say
you better hit them motherfuckers back, your ass is hip hop.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
If you outside of your house.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
And your friends saying you better hit them back, that's
hip hop. You know why, because hip hop is not
worried about the rules. The street is a greater sense
of justice. The street culture is a greater sense of justice.
We understand justice ain't on our side, so we have
to take justice in our own hands. That's a cornerstone
of street, urban culture, hip hop.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
That's something we all share.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
I don't care if our mom was a nurse like
my mom, cam whatever your mom did, whatever your mom
feel me quote whatever your mom. Yeah, you better hit
him back. That father, somebody say hit him back. Didn't
nobody tell you to go tell the teacher?

Speaker 11 (17:04):
No one place.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
He said, you know what, donna hit him back. Go
tell the teacher tell the principal.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Matter of fact, my mama would say, you're not gonna
get in trouble if they get you in trouble.

Speaker 8 (17:17):
Mm.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
So I was to peat that, and I asked Pete to.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Prove it, and Pete said this fire told him you
better not hit nobody back.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
I don't need no reason for nobody to sue me, right.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
And and the worst fight I saw in high school,
some dude got his block knocked the fuck off. His
dad had to write a six figure checker.

Speaker 8 (17:41):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Damn man that he got his block knocked off and
he chose to sue.

Speaker 7 (17:58):
Y'all picture of Dwayne Wayne mean, I'm from a different world.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Man, Oh man, I don't know how to feel. This
is almost unbelievable. So, yes, Crook, I'm with you. I
think he's not worried about the optics. But his problem
is he's worried about the optics. That's the only thing. Like,

(18:24):
because he's not hip hop in culture and being raised,
he don't quite understand what's happening. But because he's idolized
his culture like tons of basketball players, he's idolized culture
like tons of people on outskirts right that they start
to participate right, and then they start to try to.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Live up to the.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
To the to the rules, to the foundation of it,
you know, to the point where even when he got robbed,
he told the police and he felt like, you know,
it was things that he did that really threw me off.
And I'm like, but I never thought he was street crooked.
When I first I never thought he was street. I'm like,
this is a good dude. Like, it's a good kid.
You know, you just nigg we the same. I'm like, yeah,

(19:06):
he's a good kid, you know what I mean. So
it was weird to me that when his music started
to get street and it started talking about hurting people
and spending the lilt and talking tough, and I'm like, yeah,
it's just music. And then I realized when I first
started to you remember quick, when I would call you,
when I was just getting the grasp on what hip

(19:27):
hop was from a true cultural standpoint, I was figuring
it out, and I was like.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Oh, he not hip hop. And I didn't think anything.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
Wrong with it because I thought he was an unbelievably
talented musician.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
I never cared if he was or was it right?
You feel me?

Speaker 1 (19:42):
It was like he was extremely dope, like this dude
was a master. But then I noticed when I read
it publicly talking to Charlemagne in the interview, and like
it was like a kind of an attitude from his
team to me, and I'm like, wait a minute, are
y'all mad at me for saying this? And it's like
they wanted people to really.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Believe that he was street. I went through the same
thing with Rose.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
It was like I'm saying something I get, you know,
like because I make street rap, I have to be
honest and be a lot more transparent because you know,
everybody else that's that's competing in the competing space, you know,
I mean, they get to kind of fantasize it.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
They get to you know, like I was saying, Ross,
you know who's in my top five?

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Like he could say he got ninety eight million dollars
in the Bank of American bank account, or you know
Creavior or he named himself after a guy that I
actually wove.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
And you know, I wasn't it wasn't no shame crooked
on Olivia, but it wasn't no shade. It was just like,
these are obvious truths. Niggas was making at me, and
I'm like, do you think you fooling people?

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yes, if I'm crazy or if they crazy? Because I'm like,
are they fooling people?

Speaker 6 (21:00):
So that's where we come to this situation at hand.
It's like a magician telling everybody how the magic tricks
are performed. When you get up here, you start talking
about these bots and this AI and this stream shit,
you about to pull back the curtain and show everybody

(21:21):
the wizard of Alls. You feel me, and let me
tell you they're not playing about this bro. Fifteen twenty fifteen,
I did a show called One Shot. I created this
show for BT Rap Competition, all this kind of good stuff.
One of the real current judges good dude, family man.
I met his kids, I met his wife. Family man.

(21:42):
You know what I'm saying, real good dude. We had
a successful season.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
It was great.

Speaker 6 (21:50):
A couple of years went by, everybody started doing their
own little thing.

Speaker 7 (21:53):
We all went back to our respective corners.

Speaker 6 (21:57):
This year, I woke up and his face was all
over the news, and I was like, what is he
doing all over the news? Feds yanked them out of
his crib in front of his kids, and his wife
arrested him and charged them with an accusation that he

(22:17):
used AI and bots and manipulated streams to generate ten
million dollars for himself.

Speaker 7 (22:27):
And they are.

Speaker 6 (22:29):
Saying that this is one of the biggest streaming crimes
since they started passing laws against fraudulent streams. That man
owns businesses, homes, He's a hard working dude. They snatched
him straight up. They not playing about that shit, bro,

(22:52):
unless you are with the machine. Then they turned the
other was permitted to chieve.

Speaker 5 (23:02):
Do you know what this reminds me of?

Speaker 2 (23:04):
No, It's like, this is what I kind of think
it is.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
If this is Drake's second L he's ever taken since
that he was born.

Speaker 5 (23:13):
What was his first L?

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Not push your tea?

Speaker 4 (23:21):
I mean that was a speed bump that didn't impact anything.
This reminds me of Hillary Clinton losing the election in
twenty sixteen and blaming it on the Russians, like a
total shock and disbelief, and I like, this can't be possible.
I'm me, I don't take l's like this. It had

(23:41):
to have been manipulated by somebody outside of the system. Bro.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
I'm gonna tell you. I think with Drake man, I
think Drake is the delusional guy. I think he's the
direct result of that everybody gets a trophy syndrome. That
was one of the things I hated. Do you remember
when I was coaching you football, told you I hate
the idea of everybody getting the trophy. Mm, this is
the same thing Drake doesn't think he's supposed to lose.

Speaker 7 (24:08):
He's entitled.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
His privilege is coming out of showing right now, how
big this dude from compt to beat me. He's not
better than me than me? This is this privilege. This
is privilege on thing. He's having a timidt answer right now.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
You know what, that actually makes sense.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
This is his privilege.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Privilege, bro, he really is having a privileged moment.

Speaker 8 (24:34):
He got affluenza, you know how dare.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
I never thought about it like that, but that makes sense.
He's having a privileged moment.

Speaker 5 (24:46):
HM.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
I wouldn't be surprised if he called doc Nick the
N word with hard r bro.

Speaker 7 (24:52):
I'm I believe.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
You that the who would he say that to?

Speaker 3 (25:01):
Though?

Speaker 4 (25:02):
Because for people who probably around him all the time,
you know, probably aren't like on his.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
Probably we're still setting their breast, whatever you're doing, still
still out here with this is ridiculous, right, you know me?
She was talking right. Everybody except everybody on this family

(25:30):
except one of us, is from the hood, right, everybody
from the get him. We've all lost the fight before, right,
But we never told like she was alluding to earlier.
We never went back and told nobody we just want
to fuck that dude again and again until we got
a victory, or we left him head alone, right, whatever
it was. But we didn't go tell nobody. This dude

(25:51):
really thinks that he has the right to go. Man,
he lost the battle, bruh. And I'm pretty sure he
done heard that album. I'm pretty you were, and he
can't one person you can't lie to You can't lie
to yourself. I'm pretty sure you don't heard that shit
and said, Man, this is really good.

Speaker 7 (26:07):
I'm going to sue him.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
He's ruined me.

Speaker 6 (26:11):
No, all the farm owners thinking right now, this is
a deeper conversation, bro, because.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
I've always thought if you are mixed with black, you
are black, right. But then I've always thought, big bro,
and this is a good thing to talk to you about.
I've always thought of black as a responsibility. It ain't
like my skin is black, right, Being black is a
desire to care for other people that have been through

(26:41):
the same type of struggles like myself. It's a responsibility
to be black. And I noticed it and I thought
to myself, like I used to always say he wasn't
hip hop. People thought that that was the equivalent of
me saying he's not black.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
And it's like, he's black. His father is a black man.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
Yeah, he's black dog. But being black, like you said,
it's more than a skin color, man, It's a condition, man,
It's like it's a soul. Listen here, man, and think
about it.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
Also, like if you're from a biracial parenting, you know,
or what's the word, like a conception and you're raised
by one parent, you're gonna be pretty.

Speaker 5 (27:29):
Much that, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
And that's what I was thinking, right, So that was
always my thing.

Speaker 5 (27:36):
I got to have a lot of those conversations, right, that.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Was always my thing about him not being hip hop.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Right, he he was raised by his mother in the
Jewish community, going.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
To Jewish because and that was always my thought, right.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Man, Now I can see if he was raised Jewish
in the Bronx, you know, you could be you hang
out onside, I guess what is you back to the streets.
But again, his serf stances, his environment. He was raised
as a Jewish man, so I always thought of him
was Jewish. But I understood his father was a brother
from Memphis.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Right, But you know, like if that's not going on, and.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Like like to me, you're not biracial, there's no such thing.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
You're black, if you know what I mean, you're black.
If you're black, you're black.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
It don't even matter what happened because theoretically everybody come
from black people from the star. So every for sure,
if you cut it back down, you're black. So I
understood he was Jewish based off culture, minus the conversation
of race, minus the conversation of his again ethnic ethnicity.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
You know what I mean, he's a jewish Man. You know,
racially he's a Negro.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Right, But again, if race is not a real construct,
he would be a jewish Man. And if you think
about how he's going about this battle right now, they
really yeah, not a bad thing.

Speaker 9 (29:06):
You got way too Trump in office, you got way
to January sixth. Then you can say that.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Well, I mean, listen, I don't think it's negative. I
mean that's just culture to who.

Speaker 8 (29:16):
His peoples are.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
I don't. I don't know why YouTube.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
That there's a difference in that sensus saying saying like
the Jays and j Ish, But I don't know.

Speaker 5 (29:27):
I'm not in charge of it.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
He doesn't even know if that if that matters, man,
I just think that the dude don't have no culture.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Man he does, but that's my points then he already
get it.

Speaker 5 (29:38):
He was raised jam.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. He doesn't like when
you've never really been through nothing like you know how
you talking about him and his mom had a hard time, man, mhm, him,
him and his mom Florry Town was way different than
our parents hard time.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
I don't want to get to the drug Olympics. He
waste the time with that.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
I'm just saying, for sure, I always thought of him
as that, but like this is next level, not hip
like I always thought he wasn't hip, but like this is.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
For sure the most unhit thing he's ever done in his.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
Life that I've ever saw that I saw or is
it just the most Jewish things ever done in this life?

Speaker 1 (30:25):
That's my point. It makes sense when you throw because
I can't play. The Beastie Boys were still the.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
Whole bunch of Jewish people on hip hop broke ain't never.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
I think those people still are street like the Beastie
Boys still grew up in the punk rock environment, should
be able to create the music.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
So there's a level of street urbanness too it.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
Because again punk rock is and hip hop or step brother,
they both come from street urban backgrounds, just different you know,
mothers places on Earth. We ain't come up in the
same places. But the saying oppression or whatever miss understood,
Like the Skaters cam when I was just young, the
Skaters is like that they really felt like they were
you know what I'm saying, Like, ain't Drake from the

(31:11):
Canada streets though? Any rocking with the Hell's Angels and
all that that street no, y ain't no no, because.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
For sure they wouldn't be suing nobody. It'd be a rumble,
be a squabble.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
Hey, let me ask sure this crook. When't you say
that Drake is a good artist. Yeah, you know, Drake
was probably one of the biggest you know, if you
want to call him hip hop or he's one of
the biggest recording artists in the industry. I believe that
this is going to be really bad for him.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Somebody's making a point shout out to. We've been trying
to figure out what it was. Shout out to, Uh
David Jones. He said, I think Crookeds mic is too.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Close to his speakers.

Speaker 8 (32:00):
Yeah, yeah, that may be where we're getting the feed.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
That could be it, because I had the same thing
happened with. I don't know, because I don't think you
got a mic.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
No, I don't got a mic. I'm just on the phone.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Yeah, so somebody's mic may be too close to their
speakers mike right here.

Speaker 7 (32:17):
They ain't even plugged up.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
But you know what, I think it'd be to a
little bit man, to a certain extent with these things,
I think, I don't know, this is gonna be weird,
but this is gonna be.

Speaker 4 (32:30):
Bad for Oh boy, you got you got your ear
pieces in or you listening to your thing.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
The gonna say you probably gotta have an ear piece in. No,
I mean, I'm just my mic when you're all talking.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
It's definitely it couldn't be.

Speaker 9 (32:49):
It's coming It's coming from crook It's coming from Crook side. Okay,
I don't know what it was, but it's coming from that.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
But we might well keep going. We can't spend a
whole bunch of time.

Speaker 8 (32:58):
Yeah, no, it's all good.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Don't thank you, brother, You're not causing an issue, thank
you well.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
So no, Ryan, right, And this is the tricky part, Ryan,
that's the bad question. I don't really want to deal with,
but I'm gonna deal with it anyway. So everyone with
African ancestry is black, now.

Speaker 8 (33:18):
No, not nothing.

Speaker 9 (33:20):
Our definitely, our definition of black really is basically the
sentence of slave experience, the black descendants of slaves in
North America. So Drake is supposed to you know, he's
half of that, but he wasn't raised on you know,
on that side of the fence, so he don't want
that with that.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
I don't want to get into this thing like mixed
people ain't black, man, because I know a whole bunch
of down mixed people.

Speaker 8 (33:41):
You know, well, we all mix.

Speaker 9 (33:43):
If you're an American and you got a last name
that ain't African, you've been cut.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
You cut. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
So it's like, that's not but that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
No, So no, no, everybody that's of African descent, because
Eli Musk is of African descent. It is obvious he's
not a black man. So no, you don't even got
to go that far. We don't even waste that much time.

Speaker 9 (34:07):
No, do you think that Drake is is kind of
going crazy because he know, he know he's a hit maker.
He know he make fire music, but he don't under
he didn't understand the dynamics of Kendrick's you know, lineage
and the audience and what he represents.

Speaker 8 (34:25):
Because Drake Drakens is a hit maker.

Speaker 9 (34:28):
But when you start trying to come over here on
this fence and get into this warrior type of you know,
street street warrior type of thing, you're gonna catch the
all like you never caught before.

Speaker 8 (34:37):
I think he you know, yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Well, I just think Drake just stepped in some you know,
I think Drake just stepped in a mess. I'm gonna
tell you what it was. This is my thing. You know,
Drake was going to all the U r L battles
and I think he was just really intrigued by this
and he just thought that maybe he can get one
off on dot and just kind of bit off more
than he can shoot.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
I think he's surpassing out because he can't reach the
audience he's always been able to reach.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Well, I think, so so here let's let's my man
crook it here so I could keep some facts.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
So this is some facts.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Right since the days of selling records, record label's been
buying records. You really can't pay for a hit record.
Your record actually gotta work, especially at any major market.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Right.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
You could try to get a promotional thing on, but
eventually your record got a call out. As far as
streaming and stuff, I do believe that there are some
plus ones and plus twos for streams, I believe that's happening.
But your record actually has the stream. You can't take
the record that nobody knows and make it work. And
the problem is there have been articles. There was an

(35:41):
article on a Rolling Stone accusing Drake of the same thing.
And before we just start using that p word, right
like the payola word, you can't still be the first one.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Can be the first one, crook me. You can't pay
for hit record.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
It actually gotta be a hit record only and pay
for the promotion to have a chance to have a
hit records. Maybe if you had a small station that
don't have a million dollar endorsements deal from Pepsi's and
and Universal City Neiss. Maybe if you don't have a
station that has those, But if you have a station
that's making great money off of advertisement, you could not

(36:20):
pay for a hit record. So that's the first thing
your record actually has to perform.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
That's a fact. I know it.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
I'd have backed it up a mellion. I know it's true.
So Paola is an over stated concept.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
I want to add something else to that. And Kim
You and Crooked both attested this. We used to see
people back in the day they have what you call
turntable hits. They would have these huge records at radio.
But then the first week when sound Scheme would come
out there to sell a thousand copies, Remember though, bring when.

Speaker 8 (36:49):
That would happen to Cam.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Yeah, people still have to go out and purchase your record. However,
is now people still have to go stream. Like you said,
you can't cheat your way to it. A big record,
not the record, not as big as something, not like
this was. You can't keep with that. It was everybody
be doing it.

Speaker 8 (37:08):
Yeah, Drake, Drake just ain't.

Speaker 9 (37:10):
He's not from that that world where he could be
battle rapping like real street street dudes, like it's just
the culture won't allow it. It's just like a governor
on the culture. It was just it's just, you know,
it just won't allow it. If he stuck to his
singing hooks and all that he has smashed Kendrick. If
Kendrick came over to his side of the fence and

(37:30):
trying to he would ruin his own career. But Drake
is the one that made the mistake and came over
here and he stepped on some landlines.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
And that's a great point.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
He he didn't have to be this at first, right,
he didn't have to be this at first. Again, everybody,
this is No Silings Live. The YouTube link is hold on.
I'm gonna share it on Twitter.

Speaker 8 (37:54):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
It goes live on the YouTube on a No Salis podcast.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
Shout out to my brothers for coming down and making
it happen with me. Let me tweet this link. Yes
it's crooked phone for sure, for sure. Damn that dude caught.
He must be like an engineer or something. I don't
know how you caught that. So again, he had the
game in his hand when he first came to the

(38:20):
like when he first came to cash money.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Because he was actually the genuine article.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
He was a really great talent actor, you know what
I mean, Like he was he had been a part
of a he had been a part of a TV
show that was doing well. He was well trained, prepared
as an entertainer, and he wasn't too shabby. On the
record side, he was a killer. Like he was a

(38:45):
monster at making records. Like I remember the first time
meeting him and then hearing his records and being like,
I can't believe this is the same dude that made
both of these.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
It almost seemed possible.

Speaker 5 (38:58):
He's the first reverse engineer rapper.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
That's a great point.

Speaker 5 (39:02):
Every other rapper has gone from inner city to suburbs.
He did it the other way.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
And that's what I think is killing him, right, Pete, because.

Speaker 4 (39:10):
Because he could only go so far in before you
get too far, you can never go too far out.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Yeah, he tried to go all the way in.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
And now like he's in this weird space to where
he's trying to kind of live like the culture right
where he's doing stuff, you know, taking the situation into
his own hands, just as different small things. But it's like,
well these things still apply, Like and the Kendrick Battle
didn't do anything but show everybody that obviously culturally he's

(39:42):
not what you know people thought he was, which is weird.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
I don't know how they thought he was that.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
But also it's like, not only did you turn the
culture and have the culture looking at you crazy right
within that battle, but also now you're about to.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Turn the business against you, Like the business was never
against you. The business built you.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
The business gave you all the looks because you wouldn't
have came through the streets, you couldn't have went to
all the places you need to do all of that stuff.

Speaker 9 (40:12):
He went tropic thunder. He went full uh such and such. Yeah, yeah,
this guy. Never go full gangster.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Never go full gamester. He went full gangster. That's a
great point, big bro.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
Oh god, he went full gangster.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
He says something about bodies to the point where I
was like, I thought that bodies meant something else.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
It made me think that I didn't know what I'm
saying bodies, And I know.

Speaker 4 (40:52):
But when I first heard him saying, I was like,
ship all this time, I thought it.

Speaker 9 (40:55):
Meant that it must mean something different because he's yeah,
I thought he meant girls, like he was a girl.

Speaker 8 (41:01):
Bodies or something, but blind. Yeah, I'm like, man, I.

Speaker 5 (41:06):
Thought people getting killed it was pussy all this time.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
You know what I'm gonna tell you. I don't think
killer has nothing to do with it.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
Man.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
Let's take Eminem for example, right, has never pressed but was.

Speaker 8 (41:24):
Raised in Detroit with That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
It's a difference, bro. Eminem is really he's really with
the ships, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (41:31):
It's a punk rock kid that grew up in Eminem
is very respectful of that relationship.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
And I think that's because he really knows what he
really know what time it is, you know. So I
just think, man, I think this is gonna be bad
for doing. And to be honest with you, it's almost
like he just like everybody talking about Dot's album and
then he come up with this bullshit, right. It's like, man,
he just want to make it about him.

Speaker 7 (42:01):
All right. So I got a question for y'all, what
are the ramifications of this case?

Speaker 6 (42:06):
Because people, people are people are speculating that he's trying
to get off of a universal and he this is
the this is the movie making.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
But I don't understand how could this get him off
of you accusing another artist This is like that Gunner case. Right,
This is like that Gunner case where people are confusing, right,
like what a plea is as somebody that that's took
too pleas in my life, a plea is when you
only admit to the things that you did, or you

(42:39):
only base it off of the things you did. In
Gunner situation, right with Thug, the reason he told on
Thug is he said he did nothing and everybody else
did everything. Now, maybe if if if Drake's case would
have been more like, you know what, the label hasn't
been paying me. They flated these streams. But he's doing

(43:02):
the same thing where he's like, no, this guy, they're
over here doing this for him, y'all signed to the
same people. They're doing this for him. They're doing this
for him. They're not doing they're doing this for him.
He's not even talking about what they're doing for him.
He's not even saying what they did to wrong him.
They're saying them marketing. Kendrick Lamarson, I have a problem

(43:28):
with it because they did it unfairly. He's not even
equating it to he's not even equating it crook to
his shit.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
But that kind of does support his point though, because
he can't demonstrate standing because he hasn't been damaged by it,
you know, in the way that he's suggesting. So if
it's look, this is gonna be ugly in discovery for
us as universal and he says, hey, look, if you

(43:57):
guys let me out of my deal, we could drop
this right now before those discovery.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Sure it's a civil case to Crooked's point, right, So
what Peter is saying makes the most sense.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
The reality is maybe he kicks up.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Enough dust to where they like he settles it, like,
let me out of my deal and I'll drop the
case so you don't have to present.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
But I'm gonna tell you right now ahead of time.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
U m G.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Not gonna do that. They are past the point of
you bullying them.

Speaker 9 (44:32):
Man, come on, man, Ain't nobody not going program. Ain't
nobody bigger.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Than to bully U MG. And if he thought that
that was his plan, Mike hints learned the hard way.
But you are not going to bully these people.

Speaker 5 (44:50):
What does he benefit from getting out of that deal?
Where's it gonna go?

Speaker 8 (44:53):
Right now?

Speaker 4 (44:53):
His values at its all time low and you want
to get out of your deal?

Speaker 5 (44:58):
That that in itself.

Speaker 6 (45:00):
Don't have a value. He will make money as an
independent artist. We know that.

Speaker 8 (45:11):
How much? How much? How much y'all?

Speaker 9 (45:13):
How much do a rapper supposed to make before you
feel like he don't need to have to make no more?

Speaker 8 (45:18):
Like I don't understand that.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on?

Speaker 1 (45:22):
What which world do you tell on one dope man
and get another.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Even crook as an independent Which.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
World do you tell on one dope man and then
people know you told on the dope man and another
plug say come over.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Here and get this money?

Speaker 7 (45:45):
Yeah, like it don't like it's not a smart plan.

Speaker 6 (45:49):
I'm just telling you that he can definitely be on
that perspective, like yo, I could just jet out and
go independent or go somewhere else and get my bread.
I'm not saying it's a smart plan, but his value
is still there. He has value.

Speaker 8 (46:05):
Do y'all think he's clean?

Speaker 9 (46:07):
Just like what was really ruining his image is the
is the a minor that that subject?

Speaker 8 (46:14):
Right? So is he clean enough to try to do
that to universal? You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 (46:20):
Is he clean enough to you understand I'm saying like
he just smashed everything. Yeah, he just smashed everything he saw.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
This man, we just saw this whole thing with Puffy.
As soon as Puffy start missing with them folks, man,
he was sitting up in the jail seal. Everybody along.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Everybody wanted to go to Puffy wants to go to
the Puffy party. And then one day overnight I was
the only person. I went from being the only person
that didn't care about going to Puff party because I
don't drink and mess with the brawl, to do no
drugs like that. Now everybody don't want to go to
Puffy party. So again, trust me, he already did more

(46:59):
than enough for them people to hang in that. We
used to have this conversation all the time, cam like,
they're not going to let you get that far without
having something on you, right that just they're not finna
make you that. You know, they're not finna just empower
you and make you a monster, and you could just
move about the cabin for free. So I do think

(47:19):
Cricket is right. There has to be that would make sense. Right,
there's an idea and an intention to get out of
a deal. But the way you're going about it, first off,
you're exposing business practices that they use for all of
y'all everybody.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
And furthermore, do you want to be independent and be
blackball from Spotify?

Speaker 1 (47:41):
And the problem is you're not going to be blackball
from Spotify, but they're going to comb your shit everybody,
because again, the dope trade is very much the dough trade.
If you tell on somebody in the dough trade, nobody
is going to give you dope.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
That's really if they kill you.

Speaker 6 (47:59):
Did you the move he made when he was releasing
music on a website? Yes, you think that was the
testing grounds?

Speaker 2 (48:08):
No?

Speaker 5 (48:10):
Just how curiosity? What does an artist of that magnitude?
What does his deal look like?

Speaker 4 (48:16):
Because I would assume he could kind of not craft
his own deal, but kind of craft his own deal.

Speaker 5 (48:21):
What do you think his deal looks like?

Speaker 3 (48:22):
What you think when the first we gave him crook?
Maybe maybe twenty million.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
I think it's forty. Let me let crook, oh the crook,
let me get you going.

Speaker 7 (48:30):
They said a four hundred million dollar deal. That's what
they say.

Speaker 6 (48:33):
Now we understand people be tripping and you know, say
anything for marketing, but they said four hundred million dollars
wich forward, making it even more puzzling to what as
to why you would go up against them in this
in this situation, it's like, what are your intentions? I
guess that's the that's the question, what are your intentions?

(48:54):
Because the deed is done?

Speaker 9 (48:56):
So could it could it be could it be controlled opposition?
Could this be deeper than we think it is?

Speaker 8 (49:03):
You know?

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Yeah, I have zero faith. I have zero faith that
Drake is a chess player. And I think the deal
I think everybody industry adds a zero to the deal.
So if the deal was supposed to be four hundred million,
is forty million?

Speaker 3 (49:19):
I think he might have got forty man, because the
ain't nobody give him. There's too many things that can happen.
You get somebody that money.

Speaker 4 (49:28):
It depends, Like I was like, I guess who owns
the masters in that scenario? If if he's getting forty,
he must own the lion's shriff, his rights. I just
heard on good authority, like really really really good authority
of about an artist whose music I've never even heard
getting paid one hundred for his catalog and future catalog rates.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Yeah, but all of that stuff, forgive me, hold up, krip.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
All of that stuff is fluff, Like all of that
numbers I know for sure fact I could prove it.
But all of that number is fluff. This has this
is this is an emotional response. This is an emotional
response to I believe that yeah, too too bad event

(50:19):
in his life that is really traumatizing him. I know
this sounds crazy because losing a rap battle to us
would probably hurt our feelings, but it probably it ain't
the end of the.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
World, but.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
An emotional breakdown.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
You're right, I'm define he really is calling this boy
the hard e r behind the door, behind closed doors.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
Yo.

Speaker 6 (50:43):
So let's go into the conspiracy real you know what
I'm saying. Let's take this into the conspiracy real, real quick.
The chair of Sony Music recently said, when rap became
the number one genre, instead they signed a thousand rap

(51:07):
artists instead of one hundred great rap artists, and that's
the reason why rap is declining for them, and they
foresee it going back underground and coming up a lot
stronger after going back underground. So in essence, what I

(51:30):
heard was, you're gonna try to force rap music to
go back underground. You're defunding all these marketing budgets, you're
shifting the money to different genres. And to catalogs that
you already own. And that's the focus on suspending. And

(51:50):
now we're gonna try to let rap just go underground.
So is this part of that?

Speaker 4 (51:58):
Let the laboratory pay for itself and then you purchase
the medicine when it's done.

Speaker 9 (52:04):
So is loocien grange connection to Diddy playing any part
in this?

Speaker 8 (52:10):
Are they? Are they doing some diabolical stuff behind it?

Speaker 3 (52:14):
His son? His son is about to take over.

Speaker 9 (52:16):
Well, I'm just saying that that's still connected to the
father though. So if they if they twist the father up,
the son ain't got no action. So is he trying
to just sink the ship? You know what I'm saying.
And you know, let the Titanic go down and and
and scatter before before that happened.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
I don't think so, Bro. I think the Universal Music
Group is indestructive.

Speaker 8 (52:35):
No such thing, no such thing.

Speaker 9 (52:37):
That's just like saying America's in destruction, you know what
I'm saying, camp Up.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
I like I like, I like, I like America's chances
less I like you, and chance is better of being.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
I'm just saying, Bro, they have a lot of money,
they have a lot of influence, bro, and it's just
not music. You know, there's a lot of people in
that building, a lot of big megastars. You gotta remember,
everybody any sloop over that gem. Everybody is over there.
Only is the only thing left. To some degree, It's
like two labels left.

Speaker 9 (53:14):
And everybody ain't everybody on the Diddy Party list de
Steam list.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
That list will never come out.

Speaker 8 (53:21):
I don't know, never say never.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
And then and then if it comes out, nobody is
going to react.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
No listen, this whole Diddy Diddy travesty is all a sham.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Don't nobody care about who?

Speaker 1 (53:34):
Nobody care about Diddy buying no prostitutes, nobody care about
how Diddy was partying.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
Nobody cared because everybody, all.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Of these people, even the people in the chat, party
the same way. I am the only the honorable glasses
look the only nigga.

Speaker 12 (53:50):
That don't party that way. And Cam the only people
that don't party that way. This is normal people party.
The reason in this matter to Diddy is because some
other stuff is going on. Something else is wrong. You
feel me so again, It's like Crooked is making some
compelling points. Could he be making a play to get

(54:13):
out of this deal? Because I did hear that a
couple of times today. This is the wrong way to
do it. The enemies to have if you plan to
be in this business.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
After today, It don't even matter whether or not they
let him go. It don't even matter if they let
him go. It does not matter if they let him go.
He made the greatest mistake of his life today in
the business. He made the greatest mistake of his life

(54:47):
in the culture a couple months ago during the battle,
But he made the greatest mistake of his life today
challenging the business.

Speaker 5 (54:59):
Possible for the door to.

Speaker 4 (55:01):
What if we're seeing a whole trend of in the
last couple of years, and by a couple I mean
sixty but opportunistic Department of Justice prosecutors.

Speaker 5 (55:12):
He could do this walk away.

Speaker 4 (55:14):
Tomorrow and potentially entice actual criminal investigation action by people
who want to get their name out there.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
You know what I'm gonna tell you, this messing with
somebody like Universal, it would mess around and reverse back
on him. They would fuck around and twist him up
somehow and start looking at this stuff. Because I'm gonna
tell you, all he's going to do is get hisself
further scrutinized. So if he got anything done, if he
got anything filing his catalog, dog, he's gonna be in trouble.
He might be sitting next to Didny somewhere. I'm telling you, man,

(55:50):
these people ain't nothing to play with.

Speaker 9 (55:51):
They not nothing to play with. And he like he
like Biden to me, or you know what I'm saying.
He ain't making any decisions. He worked too much to
too many people for for us to think Drake just
made that decision. Somebody else's handlers is advising, somebody else is.

Speaker 8 (56:07):
Making him do that.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
I think mand Jones on his own reconnaissance and not
talking to him, and that's me his destruction. Shout for
the five dollars the petition.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
The petition is filed under a vague LLC.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
He didn't want this to go public, but they're trying
to flip it like he's looking out for indie artists.
That is a major boy, that David Jones. He figured
out the audio problem.

Speaker 8 (56:36):
We couldn't figured it out.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
The crook.

Speaker 5 (56:40):
He is going to get replaced by David Jones.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Twish is another no hour Monday, Wednesday and Friday at noon.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Dave, I need you at the lunch hour at twelve
o'clock Pacific Standard time Monday, Wednesday and Friday noon.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
I don't know what you got going on. You cook it. Hm,
it's kind of late to be cooking, but you cook,
but you cook it.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
You know what I'm gonna tell you, though, Man, we
see this all the time, and especially in music. Man,
people allow their youth bridge to start thinking man, that
they that they almost on the deity level. Man, and
they find out the chorus, mh, I'm fly too close
to the sun. I wound up getting heated up. I'm
telling you, man, this is gonna end bad for dude.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Yeah, it just it just it almost can't work out.
Like he's not.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
Like he's empowered by the business.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Like without the business, how do you like he.

Speaker 8 (57:46):
Ft on both both sides.

Speaker 9 (57:47):
Like he already got something he can't handle from from
Kendrick in these West Coast and now the United States.

Speaker 8 (57:53):
Fans street, these street people, the soldiers.

Speaker 9 (57:56):
And now he want to throw a fit against Daddy
or or whatever.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
You know.

Speaker 8 (58:01):
What I'm saying is lose lose situation.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
He had to do, man, I'm pretty sure his advisors
told him this. All he had to do was ship
the fuck up and go somewhere.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
You know what's funny that we keep thinking his advisors
is telling him that. I'm starting to really believe No,
they're not.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Told this.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
A long time ago, he said, glasses, people be telling
these people whatever they want to hear. He told me
that at an elephant bar in Lakewood. He said, Glasses,
these people telling these people whatever they want to hear.
They're trying to keep their business. And I equated. I
equated that to people trying to keep their positions at
the job.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
So they telling the payroll whatever they need to hear
to stay on the payroll.

Speaker 9 (58:46):
I can see that because I can see, like did
he did? He did the same thing, So I guess
he didn't have no advisors to tell him to try
to sue dally On or whoever that was the city.

Speaker 8 (58:57):
So I guess you could be right about that.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
This is all arrogance man, This is all his arrogancet man.
It's gonna be his undoing because he seems to think
I'm Drake, I can do whatever the hell I want
to do, and he do this, he gonna find out
the hard way.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
He already did it.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
That's the problem. Like he already he already put that
out there. Iteddy's lawsuit was like it wasn't about that,
Like he filed this so they could force so he
could force them to deliver.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Material, paperwork and stuff about the claims.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Like if you start getting you know, the government in
these people business, you're gonna have a real problem.

Speaker 8 (59:43):
Ain't the best question.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
Univers will pay a lot of money. Universe will pay
a lot of taxes. Brough. It's a lot of people
making money off at university. You gotta remember, it ain't
just music, it'st movies, it's liquor, it's all kind of stuff.
They got their hands in, man and they make it.
They pay a lot of money, They make a lot
of money, and they make a lot of other people money.

Speaker 8 (01:00:03):
So the question is why, damn.

Speaker 9 (01:00:05):
Let's let's look at why if Drake is accusing him
of that, why would they do that to Drake?

Speaker 8 (01:00:12):
Why? What would their motivation?

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Bro? That's Drake in his mind?

Speaker 9 (01:00:17):
No, I mean, just let's let's humor that though. Let's
let's just try to go down that little rabbit hole
for a second. What would they have against Drake? Why
would they favor Kendrick over Drake?

Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
It would be almost kind of like the way you see,
you know how, like with regard to certain like virality algorithms,
when something starts to get hot, they go like the
algorithm identifies it. It went from zero to one thousand,
like really fast, so it will flood it. So it
goes from one thousand to ten million. And perhaps they

(01:00:49):
were just like, all right, what Kenderck just did is
bigger than what we foresee Drake doing in the near future.
So we're gonna flood this and capitalize on this moment
because it's that this is the moment that we're gonna
the most out.

Speaker 9 (01:01:00):
Of at Drake, at Drake's at Drake's expense of being
called the a minor. So they don't care nothing about
his character.

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
See, we all know that the last thing he did
get four hundred million. You don't get all that money
at once. And there's some stipulations in there too. Lastly,
they don't want to give him the rest of that money,
and they do kind of want to f him off.

Speaker 4 (01:01:27):
And sometimes you know this, it might be like Jerry
Krause and the nineteen ninety eight bulls.

Speaker 5 (01:01:35):
Look you've peaked.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
Honestly, I cannot think of one single reason that the
business would empower Kendrick over Drake.

Speaker 8 (01:01:45):
Me neither.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
I can't I gat that of a sole reason. Five
year outlook, the business would They're the same age, not
one sole reason.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Can I think of why the business would empower Ken Like?

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Drake has had so many records, smash hit records. I
think he's like thirteen in fourteen in like, he has
more number one records on the Hot one hundred than
Michael Jackson.

Speaker 4 (01:02:19):
Kendrick forced their hands. Kendrick kicked him out of the community.
It forced their hands.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
I don't know if that's even true, because I gotta.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Ask truth this question. At any point, man, did Drake
reach out to you for you to rescue him, man,
for you to donate? Yo?

Speaker 7 (01:02:38):
Still man, that's hilarious, you know what I'm saying. That's hysterical,
but real talk.

Speaker 6 (01:02:47):
It is kind of like, why would they like it
would have to be some behind the scenes stuff that
we not pretty too. That could be the only reason
why they would choose to push Kendrick and push Drake out,
you know what I'm saying, Because even a mid tier
Drake is bringing him money, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
So and I'm gonna tell you though, people gotta twist
that Drake was a bigger artist than on Kendrick.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Yeah, oh yeah, I mean but but minus hold on,
I got you Grid, but minus the bigger artist. I
cannot think of one sole reason the label chooses.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Kendrick over Drake. It doesn't make sense like he had
to actually win the I mean, listen, he had better records.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
I think during the battle, I think Drake didn't lean
to his strategy of making really good records that can
be played all over the country. I think he really
went into it with a battle mind. I'm gonna battle
this guy, like you know, he he believed all of
the height of battle rap and and you know when
he went away from what work of him in the
Meek Meal battle right, which was back to back, and

(01:03:59):
then he gets to the even when he gets in
a push of tea battle, he dropped a rap song
like where he's just rapping, and then he gets in
the Kendrick battle and the push up record is dope, right,
this is good catching, but then every other record is
not a really great record, right, So.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
I think he lost the battle.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
I think he lost the battle on his own right,
and but I cannot find one reason why the business
would ever favored Kendrick over Drake.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
I can't find one reason in my mind.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
I don't think I think best kind of reaching right there.
I think it's kind of reaching, bro, And I'm gonna
tell you what it is. Man. Drake has been lifting
out his fantasies over the last ten to fifteen years. Right,
He's been messing with girls that he probably would have
never had the chance to knock down if he wouldn't.
Drake gotta remember that dude used to look corny gee

(01:04:53):
before he got the money, and that I didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Use to It looks hard yesterday, yeah, right now, Like
he just looks like he's impersonating Nust, Me and Corny.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
That's what I'm saying. He gets a real corner, dude,
when you really think about it. Right, So he's been
living fantasies. He's been going he's been really fascinated with
Battle Rep. He's been going to League, been sponsoring League,
he's sponsoring the whole U r L. But then you
know they little streaming thing they had going on, and
he really thought, in his mind, this is going to
be my chance to immortalize myself in a battle.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
Did an incredible job with the meek meal battle hold.
Let me get through these super chatter real quick. Shout
out to Captain d Hard, Thanks for the five dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
Brother.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
It's been reported he is in contract negotiations before the
battles started. Don't know if that's true, but it's on
Twitter now. He had did that a couple of years ago.
Maybe he did for an extension, but I know he
did that a year or two. Go shout out to
Calor Production, thanks for the two dollars. My brother is spiritual.
I really believe God writers. I think that's I agree

(01:05:58):
with you in the innate sense of the battle, but
that is not what Universal.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
Music Group is pushing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
Righteous people not like forgive me because I don't want
to say that they don't have any talent that's righteous.
I'm saying I don't think that's a wanging factor for
them to market and act is if they're a righteous person.
I just think that's the furthest thing from their mind.
I think, you know, I don't want to make it people.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
I don't want to go.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
Too hard on them, you know, because I don't know
business practices. I ain't been in there. But the last
thing that I get from them is righteous.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
That's I don't get that. As far as artistry.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
Shout out to the homie Omar, I do. Thanks for
the five dollars. This is some great dialogues. Salu Fellas.
Glad you enjoyed it. Man, we're tackling it right now.
It's late because like this is just breaking events.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
It just matters.

Speaker 6 (01:06:49):
Yo, yo glasses. Let's go back to the battle real quick.
I feel like it. I feel like what Still is
talking about going into all these battle rap events and
all that one the first thing you people in that
world is people use angles, and you know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (01:07:06):
His angle was to live bro Kendrick. He just wanted
to little.

Speaker 8 (01:07:10):
Brilliant, he feel me.

Speaker 7 (01:07:12):
And Hendrick was coming.

Speaker 6 (01:07:14):
With concept records like Meet the Grahams, and he was
taking it all the way around the world with his
pen as far as coming you know, on some battleship
and I feel like if if he was really paying
attention in them battle events, then we would have different
records right now. And on the tip of the you know,
the spirituality to I don't think he talking about universal

(01:07:37):
music spirituality and they practices.

Speaker 7 (01:07:40):
I think he's talking about.

Speaker 6 (01:07:41):
Just period like it's time for you know, something else
to come into play because of all of the the
the demons in the music playground right now.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
Totally totally agree that there's a real demand for the
Universe first is demanding for it. But trust me, Universal
Music Group is not at the They are not the
hands for these class group.

Speaker 7 (01:08:10):
Universe Music Group.

Speaker 4 (01:08:15):
I swear classes you got a painting or some sort
of an artistic piece as the result of this battle, correct,
I do have what does that depict?

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
I forget Drake doing push ups while Kendrick as the
master is watching him.

Speaker 8 (01:08:30):
Indeed, indeed, okay, drop down, give me fifty.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
There you go. Yes, I agree with Crooked.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
The Universe Music Group is definitely demanding more of a
righteous fold. And and I mean something I've talked to
Cam over the years about, you know, when it comes
to health and and and being street as I am
and the language that I use, like you could always
be a street guy and be very much a righteous person.

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
They don't.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
They're not mutually exclusive. They can go together.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
You just have to be willing to stand up and
be who you are, even in the face of friends.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Right, you still gotta be stern.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
I just don't know if that's the business of Universal
Music Group.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
I think Universal Music Group do.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
I think behind the scenes they have some backdoor deals
that can encourage people to do the wrong thing. Sure,
but I also think, you know, people like to share
in silly shit.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
You know, you like, I don't do drugs, but people
like drugs. I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
I will probably be the last person to tell you
why somebody like drugs or alcohol.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
I could never understand it.

Speaker 9 (01:09:49):
Do you think why do you think Drake wanted to
get involved in the battle rap scene? Do you think
that he wants an army or a brotherhood hood? He
wants to for his manhood nature to be respected?

Speaker 8 (01:10:04):

Speaker 9 (01:10:04):
Because you can, you can have all the females liking
you all over the world. But I really think with him.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
I'm gonna tell you something, Champ. Everybody's like going to
the zoo, right, because you know everybody, what's the favorite thing?
People like, what's the fake what's the biggest attraction of
the zoo? The gorillas and the gorilla lines right because
they behind the cage. Right, how many people you think
will go to zoo? If the motherfuckers is running free.
When you go to park a lot, you know, gorillas

(01:10:32):
just swing and treat the treatmhen you come in and
just who just bombing on people lines, you know, biting
people's head off, and shit, wouldn't nobody want to see
that live? I think Drake has been going to the
zoo man now, he think he could walk among the beasts.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
Shout out to ec DC tech academics talking about glasses.
Long of twenty thousand viewers, Story of my Life, brother, Story.

Speaker 8 (01:10:54):
Of my Life always did something.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
It's always somebody that's entirely too famous upset at me.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
So I'm used to it.

Speaker 9 (01:11:03):
I mean it's not bad, yeah, But like I said,
the beautiful thing though, is people that, like I said,
the poverty, you know, produces an army, a brotherhood. So
the ain't ain't no amount of money, ain't on amount
of females and popularity or whatever that can equal a
real army. You know what I'm saying. That's that's riding

(01:11:24):
and sliding for love and respect. So I think that's
what he deficient of. You know what I'm saying. All
of us on this panel, you know what I'm saying,
including Pete got more respect. I think you know what
I'm saying than dude do That's fit where it counts.

Speaker 4 (01:11:39):
And I think it's also Yeah, because of that deficiency,
he's not going to go get it in the streets.

Speaker 5 (01:11:45):
This is the closest place.

Speaker 8 (01:11:46):
He can go to get it, man, that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
Shout out to a J. I think it's pronounced or
a job, but I think it's AJ. The only thanks
for the five dollars, Brodie. The only reason I can
foresee U m G. Pushing Dot over rate at any
moment is if they know some Nafari ship on his
jacket that might hit the streets.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
That's a great point that possibly I think Dave for
sure will unconnect from your ass. Have you got to.

Speaker 5 (01:12:16):
And what was the theme of the song?

Speaker 8 (01:12:19):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
No?

Speaker 8 (01:12:21):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
But but I'll be honest. When I asked Dot, he
ain't gonna lie? Did ask Dot? He said, glasses, you
ain't know me to be no liar.

Speaker 8 (01:12:31):
What I'm saying all this fear, all this fear, right, and.

Speaker 4 (01:12:36):
I think there's you know, hops are kind of genre
where when it goes, it goes quick for a lot
of artists. You know, you can have a run for
a long long time, and when it when you're no
longer to sound anymore, it's it. You have to wait
until you're like now now you're like old school hop

(01:12:58):
because people remember you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
Another five dollars, my boy.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
It's a new contract in the lawsuit that says he
owns his master's and copyright.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
Well, that could be another thing too.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
That could be another thing too, cap Like, if you
own your masters and your copyrights, they might invest in
somebody else because it's more money to be made.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
I know that's true too, you know what I mean?
That can be a good point.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
Let me ask you some real he started to cut
you off. How many artists do y'all know, man, that
really were big deals that their finances don't reflect it
right now? You know guys like from the nineties that
have really huge records and really big careers. That was
the Kindreds back in the day. How many of those
guys do you see that their finances may not be
all the way right? And not trying to you know,

(01:13:50):
just them dudes or nothing, but just trying to make
a point.

Speaker 9 (01:13:53):
Most of them meet me included, you know what I'm saying.
So you know, it's a business it's a business. It's
also a boys club. You know, people get to work
that stay in the circle. It's a certain it's a
such thing as gatekeepers or whatever, you know, a little
boy's club that they're gonna they gonna keep you working
if you if you get down like they get down.
So I never got down like them, period. So you know,

(01:14:15):
I was never invited to the Reindeer games.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
I say all that to say this, man, you can
never you can never get in the position dude the
way you think you too, big man, because I don't
seen some big dudes fault.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
Man, he definitely, he definitely, no matter how it go,
this was a mistake. There's no way he could come
out on the other end and this not be a
mistake because now you're making enemies.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
With really powerful people.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
Who are happened to be a lot further vested in
the business you want to succeed in than you do.
Not to mention again, it's like maybe you know, I
don't know, man, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
Like I'm trying to think of what makes sense. Maybe
he's gonna quit. Maybe he's like, you know what, I'm
done with this. I'm gonna blow the lid off of it,
and then I'm gonna ride off into the sunset. Maybe
I think he just reached I said, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
The sunset gonna be crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:15:19):
You know in.

Speaker 4 (01:15:20):
Canada you go far off north and the sun doesn't
set for months during the summer.

Speaker 8 (01:15:25):
You're stuck in the daytime.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Yeah, I don't quite know how this works out.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
Again, the culture kind of they're done with him, right,
which he does have a fan base. To Kriuk's point
earlier that you know he got from obviously years and
years of great music and success, right that that he's
going to have an audience. But Universal is tied to
the people that own the arenas. Universal is tied to
the people that actually streamed the music.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
Universal, like you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
Get what I'm saying, You start to put yourself into
a disadvantage because these people are connected to everybody, you
know what I mean, and they will stop.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
So I don't quite know what the thought is.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
I just think it's a bad thought.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
Quick. What was his last three records? Because then his
last three records do like unbelievably bad. His last three singles.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
He tried to drop, I mean, bad for Drake is
probably not in the top twenties.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
No, I don't think these records even hit the top
one hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
From what I mean, well, I think he put out
a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
Mind. Yeah, he's obviously been struggling. He's obviously been struggling.
But I also don't think he went in there and
started to try to make really great records that address
where he's at and gave people what they.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
Wanted to hear.

Speaker 5 (01:16:40):
I don't think it will matter.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
I mean, it's still like how j Cole was able
to do with that song where he tried to rewrite
history and act like, oh y'all to do.

Speaker 3 (01:16:53):
Didn't get hit like this he was.

Speaker 5 (01:16:59):
I don't think like this.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
You know this is John came out with latinum album
and the gold album in top forty songs. Joe Rule
still is streets, so he understands what not to do.

Speaker 5 (01:17:19):
Rul's persona nongrada for a decade.

Speaker 8 (01:17:22):
Mm hmm yeah, but this is worse.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
I know.

Speaker 5 (01:17:27):
That's why the company pivoted.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
Like this could be and remember and remember, like to John,
them's situation, Remember they called a fair case. And that's
when the label walked away from Shug, walked away from
Jay and walked away from uh Earth at that same time,
they all had caught fit. People didn't realize that they
all called fair cases at the same time.

Speaker 9 (01:17:49):
So Drake trying to give a real trip off that
So Drake trying to give Universe who a fair case?

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
Right, Yeah, his his attorneys to mention Rico in the
paperwork like that.

Speaker 8 (01:18:01):
Is it's not it's not good. It's not gonna end good.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
They could be going through some kind of crisis right now, man,
where he's like he's gonna seem too much and he's about
to tell it all. You know, you got that one
homie that you take on the mission. You see the
probably shouldn't be going the next day. He might be
about to drop the bomb.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
Bro shout out to George Williams. He said, that's why
we never get ahead. He's not scared to be the
fall guy for the future guys. This has nothing to
do with fall god.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
For future guys.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
All he's going to do is stop record companies from
marketing record He's not even gonna stop anything. There's nothing
for anybody else that's going to And he's not himself
being a fall guy.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
He's point. He got another guy.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
He's like that guy. He's not saying, hey, you know what,
this is what the record label. If he wanted to
be the fall guy and didn't want yeah, he could
do it for himself. He could be like, this is
how they marketed me. This is how they spent the money.
I have the paperwork right here, here's the proof. Look
at this, this, this, this, this. But he's doing what
Gunna did. He's like, no, look what they did for him.

(01:19:13):
Look at that guy over there. They did this for him,
you know ex Rico so Forth and so on. You
feel me, they did that for him. Now, if he
wanted to be the fall guy, he would say, this
is what they did for me. Hey, you know what.
They falsely marketed my stuff. They made me bigger than
I was. My numbers caught up and I was an
Arenas so Forth and so on. That's if he was

(01:19:36):
trying to be a fall guy or a martyr or
or or Jesus type of person in that regard, he
would take the responsibility. He would not be pointing at
who he could consider his Judas as Jesus didn't be
like it was Judas. It was like whatever feemy Draken,

(01:19:56):
like Drake Peno Brown in the court room.

Speaker 9 (01:20:00):
On New Jack City, damn and Drake Drake low key
like Howard Hughes. You've seen a Howard huge story in
The Eccentric went crazy and the big ass man just
start peeing in bottles and lining them up, grew on
his fingernails all along.

Speaker 8 (01:20:14):
Drake, might you might need to get that little fifty
one to fifty watch.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
My boy was like me, no, he was like it
was Kendrick. You a witness everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:20:26):
Drake showed up to the police department with the rape cap.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
G I gotta go on, pick a baby girl. I
love y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Man in a minute, my boy, Yeah, he not.

Speaker 6 (01:20:38):
He not a fall guy. He's a I want to
speak to the manager. That's what he's doing right now,
you know what I'm saying. And you know, if he
wanted to talk about how corrupt the industry is, he
wouldn't have waited to turn the light on on his
supposed enemy.

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 6 (01:20:58):
This is this is this has nothing to do with
anything righteous for the future of artistry.

Speaker 7 (01:21:04):
You feel me?

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
Now?

Speaker 7 (01:21:06):
Will it end up being something like that, We don't.

Speaker 6 (01:21:10):
I doubt it, But okay, that would just be a
byproduct of him trying to get vengeance and stay on
his mission.

Speaker 7 (01:21:18):

Speaker 6 (01:21:19):
It's not in his intentions to to save to save
the music.

Speaker 7 (01:21:23):
You feel me if you're not gonna do that.

Speaker 6 (01:21:27):
So he's the first lay Yeah u MG, Like you said, man,
you know they they when they start activating. Boy, let
me tell you if people people don't think they had
nothing to do with with with that Rico from the
Color of Colorful Hair.

Speaker 7 (01:21:46):
Guy, you know what, they stay out their minds.

Speaker 6 (01:21:50):
So my whole thing is, like you said, they got
a lot of power and this ain't gonna unfold how
him and his team thought.

Speaker 7 (01:21:58):
Yeah, but I don't know, Bro, like he crashing out,
You feel me like he crashing out right now? That's
all that's all he doing.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
He was smartier right now there he is, come for Kenny,
the educated brother from Compton. That's who the real leader
of this, this this ambition Undertaker is doing.

Speaker 4 (01:22:24):
If Dre was smart, he should have paid another artist
to sue and paid for the legal fish.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
Oh Man shout out to Flocko.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
He said, come on, big bro, Drake is doing this
for the people like us who preach against corrupt infrastructure.
We should be celebrating this. This is bigger than Kendrick
and Drake. I would buy that what they did for
him and his business. He come out and break the
industry in half. All you got to do is like,

(01:22:55):
this is what they did for me. They made this work.
I know they spent this money. Here's the proof. He
could talk about everything, but when he's pointing at Kendrick,
That's why it's not about preaching against the corrupt infrastructure,
bro the benefactor.

Speaker 6 (01:23:12):
He is suing them for a song called not Like
Us by Kendrick Lamar. That's what the fuck this is about, Bro,
like not try to you know what I mean. I'm
the most positive thinking brother you can fucking meet, you
know what I mean. But he's not going to go
into the land of fairy tale. The motherfucker said, Yo,

(01:23:33):
not like Us. It's the craziest fucking the Tommy nuclear
bomb that ever dropped on the rapper's head. And like
that ship everywhere I go, they planned it in the
World series.

Speaker 7 (01:23:49):
He's trying to it has nothing to do with that
other ship.

Speaker 6 (01:23:53):
Now, like I said, if it becomes a if that
other ship becomes a byproduct, please believe it is not
his intention because simply put like you said, Gee, he's
pointing his finger. Bro, He's pointing his finger and he's saying, Yo,
this is what they did for him, and I'm going
to expose it.

Speaker 7 (01:24:12):
If not like us as a dud. We never had
this conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
And poet Clocko.

Speaker 1 (01:24:18):
When you told me the album dish, I didn't believe it.
This is unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (01:24:23):
You were right.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
I don't know how you predicted it, Flocko. Hip hop
is street urban culture. The first time we talk on
your platform on No Jumper, I explained it to you.
It's artistically expressed street urban culture. It's the way you act, walk, talk.
Everything about it is that it's not It doesn't lead
with music first. The confusion is that it leads with

(01:24:46):
music first. No, it leads with culture first. If it
led with music, Chief Keith win it sold three records.
No disrespect to Chief Keith, but he ain't quite Herbie Hancock,
he's not quite Quincy Jones and Michael Jackson. You know
it's music isn't quite you know, Ray Charles, you know
he's not on a piano playing.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
You feel me. That type of couldn't work if it
was music first.

Speaker 1 (01:25:10):
If that was the case, then Leon Haywood's song would
be multi platinum and Doctor Dre's song would have only
sold you know, g would have sold five thousand if
it was about music, because the music in these other
genres is superior the music. Now when you add in
the fact that hip hop is about culture, it's about

(01:25:31):
discovery and people that don't have a voice, and a
movement of people that refuse to be ignored and determine
to let you know they exist and talk about their
experience in this very small minute population in America. All
it's very few ghettos that create the stuff that we're
talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
You know what I'm saying, that's what hip hop is about,
and that's what we come for.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
See, I've never been confused and thought to myself, we
come from music again, Like right now, people ask me
all the time, you gonna listen to more new artists.
I'm like, because I'm actually listening for music now now
I'm not listening for culture. I'm like, well, what actually
sounds good. I'm gonna go play Hall of Noakes. I'm
going to go play Prince. I'm going to go discover

(01:26:16):
the third Marvin Gaye album because I'm going to listen
to music, but when I listen to hip hop, I
listen for culture, I listen for lingo, I listen for style,
fashion representation, and then music. So again, it's like when
you was asking me how that battle will play out.
It's a guy with culture that understands culture versus a

(01:26:37):
guy with no street urban culture zero. He's been kind
of like impersonating it. It's like asking me, you know what,
a in a soul ful competition, who would win? Like
Eminem's Prime Eminem or Kentucky Fried Chicken. There's nobody in
the world that's going to taste both soul fools. You

(01:26:59):
asking me who in King Tacos or Taco Bill, anybody
would taste buds.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
It's going to work.

Speaker 9 (01:27:07):
Where it's a certain type of taste buds Because to me,
it's like also like uh, Godzilla and King Kong, right,
the machine made them both global monsters, but when it
comes to them battling each other, one of them got
way more weapons than the other one, you know what
I'm saying on that On that scene.

Speaker 4 (01:27:27):
It to me like it was like when I first
started seeing the comments and some of the posts about
this on social media, the wagons circled so fast. They
circled so fast, and like this is is is South stupid.
It's kind of funny. You three guys haven't been on

(01:27:49):
that side of the wagons like I feel. How the
wagons circle on to be You know, it happens fast
and you see it boom and it doesn't unhappen, and
everybody in the room knew it. And it was cool
for Drake until Drake just did that little thing to
give him the excuse. And he did it, and he

(01:28:10):
capitalized on it, and they just went and he was
over there.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
It happened so fast.

Speaker 7 (01:28:17):
I got a question, where does Drake go from here?

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
He justss he has to wait until he's nostalgic.

Speaker 8 (01:28:28):
I think I think he would never do this.

Speaker 10 (01:28:33):
But if he, if he apologized, you know what I'm saying,
if he if he apologized to the culture and embraced
you know, reality instead of playing like he was God
and trying.

Speaker 8 (01:28:45):
To son everybody.

Speaker 9 (01:28:46):
And you know, because you on this, I'm rich and
I'm balling and I'm playing these money games, and you
know what I'm saying, you have to break it all
the way down.

Speaker 8 (01:28:53):
And get with some real people. Do it.

Speaker 9 (01:28:56):
Do a whole lot of charity. You know what I'm saying, Like,
you gotta do a whole lot of Santa Claus.

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
You have to actually come clean and be for real.
You have to be genuine. Shout out to Big China.
Blogger said he bullies people legally and he really wants
to sue that. I believe that too. Shout out the tree,
he said, Invite him to the podcast, man, d wouldn't
come to this. Drake wouldn't come to that podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:29:22):
It's funny because we wouldn't even be talking about this stuff,
but he would be so mad and upset that he
wouldn't really, you know, be okay with the conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
Hold on, this is this is head called him? Let
me see what he talking about? Like, what up? I
can't call it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:40):
I got you on the live stream with me, Crooked
Cam and Pete.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
Oh, don't worry nobout.

Speaker 1 (01:29:52):
Everybody knows that when you call me, is required that
you say cuz that's how everybody greets me, all the
white lawyers managers to say what's up?

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
Because when he called me, like what's up? Because come on,
I don't.

Speaker 11 (01:30:06):
To understand the process behind the goings on.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
What the going is on is we can't figure it out.

Speaker 1 (01:30:14):
We've been trying to discover and what's going on for
the last hour and thirty five minutes, and none of
us is really close. Because the best thing I heard
came from a comment where somebody said he owns his
master's and copyright in his new contract. So maybe that's
why they could favor Kendrick over him, But I still

(01:30:38):
don't understand why that would bother him to the point
to where he would sabotage his business future with UMG
and affiliates.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
I mean, that's a I get to.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
I still don't think so, because I would imagine the
money with Drake and where they have positioned him to
is incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
So it doesn't makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
So the most the most realistic, you know, solution is
he's having in an emotional outbreak and he has the
kind of money that people are not saying, hey, this
is not a wise idea.

Speaker 11 (01:31:16):
I don't think there's any one probably around that's going
to culturally navigate.

Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
Him, and that's again the same problem Cam said. Crooet
asked a question, he said, what would it take to
get Drake back into a decent position, and Cam said
he'll never do this, but to apologize to the culture
into everything else about what he's been doing and decide
to himself he's going to become more of a humanitarian

(01:31:41):
and look out for the culture that he's benefited off.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
Of and work from there.

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
But again, it would take a level of self awareness,
like conscious to where you can understand what's happening. And
I definitely do not believe he has his self aware
to understand and you know, possible consequences for misusing the
culture this way to the benefit of just making money

(01:32:08):
and feeling like the equivalent is empowering a couple of
other rappers, which really still gives you the same credibility,
you know what I mean. And I don't think Drake
is one of these people who don't. I think he
definated the schools and he tries his best, but this
is something really deep, like this is a really you know,
we're hard on each other.

Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
He had community wise over this.

Speaker 1 (01:32:29):
We are hard over people who've really been through this,
let alone people who didn't go through this. So I
mean it requires a shout out to either seventy eight.
The answer is it requires humility and you can forget
about that.

Speaker 11 (01:32:48):
Yeah, there's numerous there's a couple of individuals who have
experenced a lot of humility over the last few years.

Speaker 3 (01:32:58):
I progress with the system.

Speaker 1 (01:33:04):
Sure, sure, all right, I'm here you once we finished, so.

Speaker 2 (01:33:11):
I don't know, man, I crooked. I think we then
spent a lot of time. Cam.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
I think we just spent a lot of time trying
to figure out I don't have the answer.

Speaker 7 (01:33:24):
So the answer comes back to a Kendrick song.

Speaker 8 (01:33:26):
Be humble, mm hmm. Is that gonna happen?

Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
And that'll do it? Much love to y'all, Man, see
y'all Wednesday at noon. Man he thanks Crooking, Thanks big Bro,
Cam Pete. We back here Wednesday. Make sure y'all go
subscribe to the No Silllings podcast when you leave here.
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Speaker 2 (01:33:47):
Who get your podcast?

Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
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