January 23, 2023 • 51 mins
Sherri Shepherd On Finding Her Voice, Wendy Williams, Barbara Walters Advice, Dating + More
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
In the morning, Breakfast Club Morning, everybody in, Steve j
n V. Charlomagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club.
We got a special guests in the building. Absolutely, Sherry Shephard, Welcome.
How are you feeling? Congratulations on everything first and for
thank you so much. How does it feel to have
your own show and every day have to be there,
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it's all about you and guests, and how does it feel?
You know, it's surreal knowing that I have to go in.
It's a level of responsibility I never thought I would
have because I'm used to for all the stuff that
I do. Is what Barbara Walters used to do. I
didn't appreciate her until having my own show. She would
go to all of the affiliates. Every week. I go
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visit affiliates. I hope babies, I kiss babies, I smile
at you know, I laugh at jokes that I go, Okay,
I guess you didn't told that joke twelve years to everybody.
I gotta let you know. And so it's a lot
of stuff that I'm doing. It's meetings NonStop, and I
I'm not used to that of being that part of
because you get the glory and you also get it
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if it if it don't go. So it's like going
to get rising up to that occasion. But it's good. Well,
first of all, how are you because he's so rude,
how are you doing. I'm a little for Clint right
now because I'm so I try to get it together
because I ran into Angela uh And and Tiffany Cross.
It is Angela's name. I'm so like embarrassed. I can't
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even like im. So I'm trying to get my groove bag. Man,
this is a woman like I am such a fan
of Angela Ry. I love Tiffany Cross. They tell it
like it is like I'm like super fan. And as
soon as they walked past me, I walked out the
door and I said to Angela Ry, Hey, oh my gosh,
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what April did you think she was? I just in
my hand. I was just thinking about April Ry and
I got facial blindness anyway, I'm horrible with names. I
have facial blindness, which is called prosopagnosia. So like when
I look at your face, envy, it's just the face.
It's the nose, its lips, there's no distinguishing. I did
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not just get an I'm not sure. Well, that's how
I remember Envy's We were always doing that exactly what.
I have polyps in my nose that remove the polyps
so I could breathe better and stop snort. That's too
that's too much to try to remember to remember, just
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to remember the polyps in his nose. He had to
get the polyps remember, So if they can't even take
too long, you're gonna be gone by the time I
say it works. Envy with the nose jobs, See how
quick that is? Exactly? Yeah? Se you doing that because
he loves you so much. I doubt that. Did you
feel like Wendy's shoes were too big to feel? Well?
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I think so, I think her. I think she we
didn't even wear the same size shoes. So I don't
say yes. I think I'm asking a practical way. Yeah, yes,
Jesus you were you were you afraid of that in anyway?
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Afraid of that? Damn I'm talking about I'm not talking
about because I think you start getting afraid when you
start comparing yourself to other people and you can't. That's
where you get into trouble. You can't compare yourself to
other people. Otherwise I would have been terrified when Star
when I had to take over Star Jones's place on
the View. And the one thing that I loved is
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Star Jones called me. I was working on thirty Rock
at the time. Uh, and she called me to congratulate me,
and she says, don't try to fill my shoes, because
you will never fill my shoes. And she said, you
have to go on with your own experience, your own eyes,
and make these your memories. And she said, so I'm
not gonna tell you about who to watch out for.
You have to go in and get the lay of
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the land. And I appreciated that. So me doing what
I do. I am a stand up comic, I have
a I know what God called me to do. I
have a faith. I'm really about a lot of positivity.
So I knew that's what I do. If I if
I based my career off trying to compare myself to
other people, I still be struggling. You speak to Wendy.
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Did you get a chance to talk to Wendy When No,
I didn't get a chance to talk to you. I
didn't get a chance to talk to you, Charlotte May.
I didn't get a chance to talk to my Aunteacha Couitsia,
I know. So there were certain people that I got
a chance to talk to. It was Oprah Winfrey. Whoopie
was in Italy, so I didn't get to talk to
to Whoopie should call me back. It was Robin Roberts,
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um Ellen. I didn't get a chance nobody. You know,
people don't be having celebrity phone number so they won't
give it to you. So I didn't get to talk
to Ellen. So it's very few people that I got
to talk to. I loved the way you handled it, though,
I guess. I mean, I think a statement came out
with Wendy said she wasn't happy with she wouldn't be
watching something, And I loved the way you handled it,
you know. I mean, I again, I'm not doing it
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for anybody. I know what my assignment is. So if
somebody and everybody has free choice, it's like, if you want,
if you want to watch me, watch and see what
I can bring. If you don't, the beauty of it
is there's Tamering Hall, there's Jennifer Hudson. If you want
a sister, there are there are more than one. There
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is more than one black woman. Did you always wanted
to talk show. Was that something that this is what
I want? Yeah, I would, Yeah, it was just I
didn't realize it was a talk show that I wanted
when I was a little girl and was putting like
a paper towel in front of every in front of
my dolls. I just like to talk and I love
knowing about people. But um, it started as I got
as I was doing stand up, I was like, I'd
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like it. I'd like a talk show because I was
looking at stand up comics who did talk shows, and
stand ups are really great at doing talk shows. They're
great at being guests on a talk show. And so
I realized that's what I wanted. And my first pilot
was in two thousand and four and it went nowhere.
I did it on the Regis and Kelly said, and
it just went nowhere because I didn't know who I was.
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I just wanted to make people laugh. So if you
told me to do anything, I would do it. But
that was before the View. That was way before the view.
I did the view. I didn't start to View two
two thousand and seven, and I was devastated because I'd
done it on Regents and Kelly and I knew I
was funny, and I remember the executives walked in and
it was like, give us all you give on stage,
that that thing you do, And I was like, what
do I My voice was I was like, what do
I do? Because I'll do it? And they were like,
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you know that thing? And I was like I don't know,
and I was like Lord Jesus, and I was praying.
But I wasn't ready. I hadn't matured into the dream,
and so had he given it to me, it would
have fizzled so fast because I didn't know how it was.
I'd have sat in front of people going out, what
am I supposed to say? Now, when I sit in
front of an audience, I know exactly who I am.
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I know exactly what I'm delivering. I know exactly what
my mission is. I know exactly when some people go,
can I come on your show? No, that's not what
I do. You would be a celebrity caman. He was like,
I want to talk about something that happened in my life.
This very serious. You probably would be better with Tamren
Wow sitting there because she's a journalist, So absolutely do
you would be better served over here because you know
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Like the thing I love about tamarn is because she's
a journalist. She's going to dig places that I'm not
gonna go. I'm gonna ask you when you do, you
not to play space because I know my audience is coming.
They want to feel good, they want laughter. So I'm
not gonna go into those places. So and I and
I'm at that place, so I can go No, that
doesn't work for me. Have you taken a step back
and like took a deep breath and just reflected on
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your journey like all of that, Like you know, you
talk about two dollars four to show, didn't going away with? Yeah?
And then you know the view and then you know
you gotta let go from the view. But then you
know years later, you know you get a chance to
fill in from the fell into having your own show.
Have you like like processed all it? You know, it's
so funny, Charlemagne, because I see now looking back, sometimes
God don't show you how it's supposed to work out.
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You just got it even going through it. Trust that
it's all that scripture, everything works together for your good.
I did not realize that doing the view would be
so instrumental in me understanding how to do my show,
like I don't get caught up in social media and comments.
And because at the end of the day, I still
got to pay Jeffrey's therapist his school, and I realize
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y'all not pay if y'all just want to talk about
a fact. I ain't got no damn hips and you
ain't cute, and and you just stow this that doesn't
serve me. And that's from being on the view because
every time somebody got on me, I was going to
Barbara and Bill Getty saying, can I just get on
the air and clarify and apologize? I Barbara goes, For
God's sake, if we apologize for everything, this show would
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be called the apology, and it's not. You want to apologize,
go somewhere else and do it. And that's where I learned,
bit you better be tough everybody. You can't be letting
everything affect you. So that was a learning ground. Doing
dish Nation was a learning ground because I learned too.
I'm in a studio by myself, brat and head cracked.
They're all in Atlanta, so I have to learn to
talk to that prompter like I'm looking at like I'm
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writing in the room with other people. That serves me
when I'm sitting on that chair because I can't see
the audience, the cameras right in front of me. So yes,
now I see how all these little things doing stand up.
I have to stand on stage and headline for ninety
minutes and keep you entertained, and somebody might heckle. I
gotta think something quick. I don't have no you have
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some Okay, I'm talking about being married and divorce, but
I gotta stop and I have to handle you. That
serves me well sitting on a couch, and it serves
me well when I you. People are wearing a mask.
I can't see if you laughing or not, but I
have to know that I know walking out there, they'll
share you funny, this is, this is You've been prepared
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for this. So yes, now I see where got all
these little things that I had to do? Even when
I bombed, you know, and Dio Hughley told me get
back on stage. You gotta get back. So when I
when things don't work segments that I want to try
and they may not work, I go, okay, fail, you
ain't no big, Let's get back up and try something.
Do you remember your worst show as a comedian? And
I asked old comedians that do you remember your worst show?
Oh my gosh. It was Mark Curry's manager. I don't
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remember his manager's name. He and Jamie had the same manager,
some King, Marcus King. They used to have a comedy
show contest in Oakland, California, and me and my girlfriend,
she's now a big publicist at ABC free Form. Because
she didn't stay in the game, we pretty much hitched
a ride because this ain't for the week standup comedy.
We hitched a ride. Don't do this girls, if you
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hear me, but we hitched a ride all the way
to Oakland, California, from LA from LA. We hitch goes.
We didn't have no money, We've struggling, and we went
and did this contest because the deaf jam people were
there staying Lathan. Everybody was there watching these comments, the
comics and I have worked on my act and the
first round knocked out the first freaking round because they
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put me last out to follow all the dirty comics
and I was clean. I don't even curse. Remember, Oh
my gosh, she was Lester Barry was del huge. Lee
did Jamie go up. Might have been Jamie because yeah,
it probably was Jamie because he didn't have nothing in
except pimples on his face. He didn't have nothing. Um
it was it was Evette Brown. She used to play
in dell on Moitia. She and um, oh my gosh.
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Cat wasn't out then, we didn't know him. Might have
been was jab there. I know Mark Curry was there.
It's all the ones that you see now that are that,
and then there's a lot of them that you don't see.
All of the Oakland comics were there, and they put me.
It was twenty four comics. I was twenty three, So
me coming out gonna hey everybody, how you doing. They
was like boo, bitch, get out to stay. And then
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all the comics when you bomb, they don't want to
be around you. They don't even want to talk to you.
It's like you got some kind of disease. And I
cried and I have no money to get home, and
um we had to hitch back and then I it
was a horrible and my girlfriend made it the next round.
She made it the next round and she had to
come too. She I was like, well, you're gonna come back.
She was like, noa, I made it, so I had
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to go back home by myself, made you continue on
because at that point most people have been like, you
know what, maybe comedies not for me. It was all
I had. It was like I was illegal secretary. My
mom had diabetes and she was not taking care of herself,
so she was sick. I had an as sister. It
was on you know, on drugs. Look at my fami,
my fami. My home was just my ex boy from
he had gone to prison, like he was writing let
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us all the time time he was gonna kill me.
I mean, it was like, I really do need a
lifetime movie. I'm on si Hona teller to place mat
But no, no, I just it was all I had
to be able to get on stage in the darkest
times and half the time out of half a place
to live, staying on people's couches. That was the only
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time I felt like somebody or you know, just being
on stage, you know, and I could make people laugh
at the stuff that I was going through. So I
got the journal from when I was on stage. It
has tears dried up on the on the notebook. So
that's why I got on safe. I got A two
pu's both of your careers. When you do stand up
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in that moment and you said you was number twenty
four and everybody before you was dirty. That was an
era where you had to be like shocking, right, like
you had to have like some edge to you. Just
exactly how did you keep yourself from being that? Because
I couldn't be that, Like I like, if you Sheryl
Underwood was on there, and if you better seeing Sheryl
on stage like Sherlin turned out, She's still Joe Tory.
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Joe Tory was on the thing. You're following Joe Tory.
Oh my gosh. So uh was t K doing it
to them? I'm from the valley, so I'm talking like this.
My voice was so how you guys do? Um? I
couldn't be I tried to go up on stage one
time at the Birdland West and Long Beach and I
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tried Scrunch show was up at the Now more names
are coming to me, but um, I tried to be Sheryl,
but it's not authentic. And I remember going up on
stage and I tried to do I had this Heckla
line prepared if they said something, and I was gonna
be like I'll stab you, Ugga, I'll stab And I
tried it and he was laughing because then it don't
hardly look sure, looked like she could stab you, Sherry Shepherd, No, sir,
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So it didn't work. Me trying to be somebody who
I wasn't, and I learned to just you know, DL
said you gotta get back up on the stage. Jamie
was very encouraging vette everybody, and I just realized it's
just you gotta keep getting back up. You gotta keep
showing up and you eventually get better. If you keep
doing it, you get better. So you have to you
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gotta bomb. You gotta fail otherwise you really don't appreciate
it when you get on stage. And now I can
get on stage it, don't you know a heckler, You're
not scaring me because you're not making the money I'm making.
You probably want to do what I'm doing right now.
But you're scared, so you're gonna scream it on stage
where it's dark. But if I put a microphone in
front of your face, you ain't really got too much
to say. And everybody in this room came to see
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me and they really want you gone. So when I
coming out. I got their confidence. They know. So the
second part of that is, I guess you applied that
to the View as well. Because Barbara Walters is the
bar I was a messenger in the View. I wasn't
confidence at all, okay, because Barbara, like Barbara was ratchet,
you know what I mean. I love I loved every way.
She questions, did you feel like you had to be
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that when you were on the View, Yeah, I felt
like I had to. Like I got on this show,
Charlotte Mage Andy Murphy wasn't one and told me I
was doing a show. I was doing a movie called
Who's Your Caddy with Big Boy. I'm talking in times
with Terry Crews. I'm just trying to make people laugh.
And they called me to guest host, and I guest
hosted and they liked me. And then Star was like,
when I go on, when I go on the road,
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I want to Sherry to fill in for me. I
was terrified to meet Star. Probably called her by the
wrong name, um stay sick because she was a big lawyer,
and Enjoy said, I like Sherry when I go on
the road and do kids called so he kept calling me.
But I never wanted to do that show because I
knew they were talking about politics and debating. I was
as Jehovah's witness. I didn't do no debating on it,
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talk back to people who were older than me, and um,
everybody kept saying, do it because it's gonna change your life.
My best friend John Murray, who was my EP on
my show, he said, Sherry, doing the view will change
your life, and I promise you. And I did it reluctantly.
And here the first week I said, I don't know
if the Earth was round the flat, step right in it.
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And I did. And by the way, I do know
that the Earth is round. I was so nervous. When
I get nervous, I can't remember names. I could, you know,
I didn't even hear them ask me the question. You
were ahead of your time. This is more flat Earth
is now now they aren't coming about the whoopworks everybody
who said Earth is flat. Um. But to sit next
to this woman who was just like, she don't smile,
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she don't you know. And then I'm next to Whoopee
who's looking to be like, bitch, you don't know nothing,
you know. I'm just like So it was very It
was very hard for me. How did you find yourself
on that show? Because you know Barbara would ask anything. Yeah,
and whoopee is already established. And that was the year
we started doing a lot of politics because that's the
year Obama was running, and it was a lot of
race stuff coming up. And I had to learn. It
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was a lot of failures and it was a lot
of falls. I don't like callm failures. It was a
lot of faults on the view and I, you know,
I had to sit and look at Bill Maher saying
they could do something with the stupid stick to me,
Bill O'Reilly called me a pinhead. You gave me Donkey
of the day like this was everything, Howard. I don't
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remember what you gave it. No, you said I don't
have no butt or something. It was a Tasmanian devil,
I remember. I know. But now you're now you you've involved,
Now you have therapy in your life, and you give
the gods that we all served your respectful. You love
people's energy. You do like now you're you're change, You've
evolved you and you weren't not all that when you
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gave me Donkey in the day and talked about it.
I was listening to y'all did show. Yeah, me and
my son listened to the show. He was like, Mommy
was shawmmate, don't like y'all. I don't know. Well, when
you give somebody donkey to day, Charlotte mage people when
you on the other Saturday asked stephen A. Smith, when
you're on up sad that people you know, you're thinking
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of people. You think people don't like you. But it
is all of that I had. That's how I learned, Sherry.
You can't take in everybody else's energy that doesn't serve you.
I know that that's wanna pay attention to social media.
I wish I could let these young people know get
beyond social media and clapping back and you arguing with
this one. It don't serve you. It is a waste
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of energy. But I didn't know that then, But I learned.
I learned from a woman going, this ain't the day
an apology show. Go out there, stand by what you said,
and we're gonna keep it moving because basically, once the
next news cycle comes, they're gonna forget what you said. No,
that's what I want to ask you about that, because
that's a good point, right. Thank you for coming to
But after you gave you don't get you to show
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I may actually you apologize. You was like, no, you're not.
Then you said you were sorry. So the evolution I
could see it happened. And even then so with that, right,
like we've seen Barbara Walters do apology shows and like
everybody sees all this old content of Barbara and they're
using the N word and asking people about that sexuality.
So if somebody came to you right now, I was like,
Barbara Walters is racist. You know these kids are they
they see what would you say to them? I would say,
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you'd have to you you only saw a clip, because
everything everybody operates in little three second clips. I would
say you have to work with this woman because because
the reason why you may be on the air is
because of Barbara Walters. And so the same woman is
the same woman who put two black women on the
air when no, you had never seen that before. There
had never been two black women on a talk show
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and Barbara Walters ABC did not want me and she
fought for me to be on there. So if you
saying a racist wants another two black women on her
show and she's a racist, that that don't that don't
even go together. Because she felt like I had something
to say. And when people would talk about she, she
defended me on how return Now you know, so a
woman who's doing that, And she would always say to me,
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I believe in you. You can do it. Just freaking
read a book and defend what. You can't rely on
your pastor what your pastor says all the time. Read
a book. Now. I love talking politics, but I had
to go through I didn't know about politics, and I
didn't know what you know different things, but I do now.
So falling is not bad. It's a way you look
at it. You get back up, you keep showing up,
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and you're gonna get better. And then there's other blessing.
Now you mentioned stephen A. Smith. He was on your show.
Oh he stepped in. Oh my gosh. I was trying
to let him know. On the couch he was a
conversation about super Bowl. Oh my god, and then he
went jumped out the window and just said out of
nowhere for no reason. Rihanna is no, oh my god,
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why you know? But the thing about it is like
I feel like stephen A. A lot of people I
had discern that's what he does, that's what he gets
paid for. But there's a way that men be talking.
You know, y'all talk, you can get rudo. But when
you go in front of an audience full of black women,
it's a day in time. Were tired of being compared
to the next black woman. Well, black women are feeling like,
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don't nobody protect us like you. It's a lot of
triggers and you and I feel like somebody on his
team should have been briefing him, going, this is a
female talk show, stephen A. This isn't because on his show,
I'm sure they tell the women, if y'all want to
play on our field, you gotta take you gotta be
able to play like a man. But I wish somebody
would have said, you're coming on an all female show.
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They love Sherry, these are women, so there's a you
gotta you gotta course correct a little bit. And I
don't think so. And I think it threw him, you know,
because Steven got he got that swag. He sat back
and did his tie and I was like, oh trouble
and you you coming on with the swag because they
was loving Steven, they were loving him, and he did
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everything that he did. He does it on his show,
but she ain't no Beyonce, it's said he does that.
That crowd was not and he wasn't reading the room
like yeah, wait a minute, wait a minute. You know,
I'm gonna give it this and I'm gonna give her that,
you know, And I'm looking at him going, I just
wanted to use the N word right on the air, going, boy,
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you are, you are stepping in it and this ain't
gonna and it ain't gonna lie on just my show.
You may think you be thinking this the Little Sherry show.
This suck about to get out. I tried. I was like,
wait a minute, wait a minute, we're trying to He
wasn't going with me, and no we're not comparing, Like
what was the point, Like it wasn't even a discussion.
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I think, you know, because this is what Steve n does.
He just you know, he causes, he does controversy and
he it's in his DNA to go yeah, but and
this is how people talk. We've had this, you know,
when you with your friends, you taught who's better. I
loved it when Katie Perry came on and Missy Elliott
stole it you know, we have those discussions, but you
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gotta know how to read your room. Katie and Missy
is different because yes we want. Yeah, I'm paying no
attention to Katie. Yeah I want. I'm just saying the
feeling I got with Missy exploded on that stage is
why I watch set through Katie Perry's set. It was
Missy Elliott. So there's a way that you talk. There's
things that I will not say on my show that
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because I know that's not my audience. And I learned
that from the view John had to call it. It
was one time I was defending Sarah Palin with everything
I had. I was because she had a special needs child.
So I was like, this is a woman with a
special need said and John was like, black people hate you.
Stop it. It's certain things. There's your inside voice, there's Joe.
So I will never be that person who says everything
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that's on my mind. But why can't we have nuance?
I understand what John saying, but you should be able
to say, hey, I can relate because she has a
special need child. But also I don't, I mean I
like her politics? Why because I wasn't articulate like that
at that time I am now yeah, like because we
had a whole discussion backstage because I do feel like
I don't like that so many people jumped on Stephen
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because it was an opinion. He loves both women. He
really does love both women. He just he just felt,
you gotta you gotta come up to where Beyonce is
re renos that she got that competition within herself. Um,
he just didn't read the room. And I felt. I
came in and I said, I want to say, this
was unfair to Stephen a smith. He should have been
ba And John said, you have to you have to
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do are you falling on the sword with Stephen? Because
this is what you're gonna get the backlash. There's a
way you can articulate this, Sherry, because we gotta remember
the theme of the show is you're being funny, you're light,
So you can't come on, you know, wagging your finger people.
Because what I don't like is that nobody is allowed
to have an opinion and say anything without people going
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to take him off the air and canceling. So we
worked it through. It took us about twenty five minutes.
We worked it through. Of Okay, why I put a
joke in here, I could do it, okay, so to
be having the navy, you know, I could say this
and I so that it's palatable for everybody. And I
still said the same thing, and I still put in
my message up. I don't like us being at a
place where we can't say our opinion. So that's what
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I know how to do that now, really apologize in
the parking lot, right, because he apologized in the car
because I think it was just shell shot too. And
you know, because you know you don't and also you
just don't realize how big this. The people in today
we get triggered and that affects you. But and that's
why I said, please go buy his book because he
does say some really great things in his book about
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you know, about his relationship with his father, his mother,
how instrument and I still have women going I don't
give it because the sisters didn't teach him nothing, and
as mama didn't. I mean, I have friends who are
really angry. And he didn't say what right if you say,
if y'all have a discussion about live performers, and you
say Rihanna not a better live performer than Beyonce, but
all you said, was Rihanna ain't no Beyonce, What does
that even mean? I think it's just him saying, you know,
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you know, y'all, you know your uncle left it and Thanksgiving,
no matter what you say, your uncle like, yeah, but
you know he ain't gonna the way he run. And
I think and also I think that Stephen Asmith didn't
realize we black women, we are just feeling like we're
not protected. You know, it's not like you have to
with with on first take, you are brutally taking down
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thirty NFL teams. You got a lot of comparison, well
black women at this at this level performing at the
super Bowl. It's three of them. One got in trouble,
a nipple got shown, she got thrown under the bus,
and her career was gone for a minute. Janet Jackson,
you got Beyonce, you got Rihanna. You just have it
like it's not a lot. There's not a lot of us,
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so to be trying to it does look like you're
pitting us against And that's why I think you have
to have women on your team sometimes to go let
me come in here and tell you something. So I
don't think that went through Black women and with them
was black women when they and they turned quick, Oh
my gosh. And then you also you got to be half.
It's a bunch of fourteen year olds coming after you.
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And you don't realize the power of fourteen year olds
putting me teams all. You can't even get to the
good comments because they're fourteen year olds. Ain't got nothing
to do. I don't argue what to be high. I
don't even say these Nikki re red Beyonce. The worst
they said to me when I did when I was
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filling in, and I think I said one thing. It
wasn't even nothing bad, and somebody put on a post
they said, don't even go there because we'll take you down.
It was like the mafia heads to me. I showed John,
I was saying, they they comment, and I was like,
oh my gosh, this dig on these barbs. I want
to salute John John because I was told that you
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you you told that bout murky. I'm not doing this
show of John, And I thought that was so just
doping on the absolutely yeah for so long. Um, John
is like the wonder kind of creativity. So a lot
of the stuff that we do is John's idea We've
been on this journey twenty or more years, and he
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is smart and a lot of people he knows. He
has a lot of connections in the business, and not
connections where you do. For me, I do few relationships,
is what I should say, A lot of He got
that Janet Jackson thing happening. That was John Murray who
did this. So I couldn't give credit to the show
because it was John. He you know people that come
on our show, John makes a phone call. We can't
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get clearance. John makes a phone call. So he has relationships.
He knows talk shows like the back of his hand.
He helped me on the view articulate what I was
gonna say. I knew what I wanted to say, but
he was like, you can't. You don't have enough time
to say that. Whoopie's gonna say this to you. Joey's
gonna interrupt. You got to say it succinctly and quickly.
And John helped me with that, And so I knew
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that this dream was not only my dream, it was
John Murray's dream too, because he's the only black man
with the executive producer title and the power. And I said,
I didn't just want him to be executive producer. He
had to have the power. That's what I had to
fight for. So he and he's great and the producers
love him, and you know, so I trust him because
I can't fight all of the battles and I can't
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be up on the other side in the office and
I can't. Yeah, I gotta it's just sitting on that couch.
It's a mental thing I gotta do. So having him
with me and being able to look at him and
he says things, I don't know what I would I wouldn't.
I wouldn't have done the show without him. Now, I
wouldn't would have walked away. That says a lot about you, though,
you know what I mean, because this is your dream
to do this show. And I'm sure that you know,
let's get more more experienced DP and you're like, no, no,
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this is who I wants. Yeah, he knows he's got
the We got the same vision. When we stand behind
that door, he grabs my hand. We pray for the
audience who is watching on TV. We pray for the
audience who is sitting there that they're gonna that they
see that side of God, the laughter, the love that
they feel better than when they came because we're going
through so much. I don't do politics for a reason.
I don't do heavy stuff because I feel like you
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can get that from You can get it from when
Tiffany Cross comes right back on the air. You're gonna
be able to get it from Tiffany. You're gonna be
able to get it from Angela. You're gonna be able
to get it from Rachel Manou or Fox if you
watch it. But for me, I want you to have
a respite from all. I want you to be able
to laugh. And John is so clear, So when people
come to me and go you should do this, I
want He's the one that takes all of the bullets
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and stands in front of me and shields me so
that I can go out. He's the one that says,
don't bother Sherry with this because it messes up with
her mind and it's hard to produce her. So he
knows me so well. Now, you talked about how difficult
it was dating before the last time you were a pair.
Hasn't gotten any easier as your DMS flooded. How is
dating that? Yeah, they're still fluttered with people who ain't
got that side tooth and they're missing the finger and
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they still in their mama's basement. I still get those
um but you know what it is. I remember I
remember sitting talk with the comedian Rodney Perry and he
told me, he was like, you know, you in your
fifties and y'all mouth, and you don't want to be
and this and it's gonna be hard and to win
the closing. And I remember I remember laughing, going, but
it only, it's only I'm only gonna be with one man.
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There's somebody out here who's gonna love my mouth? Who's going?
And that sound horrible? Look. I was like, Sherry, this
whole show. My father is like, really she trying to
get rid of this whole She's trying to ask this
whole interview. PU by the way, smiles smiles. We've been
together with ten years. I'm telling I don't I like,
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I like longevity in my life. But no, I meant like,
they're gonna like what I say. They're not gonna be insecure.
They're not gonna and it's only one, it ain't thirteen
of them. And I literally when and I started dating
more because I would date Envy. We would go out
on a date. I want to marry you. I'm writing,
you know, Sherry envy with us and hearts. Yes, that's
how it was because I was in this religion that
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taught you you don't know, Charlotte Manna, you gotta get married,
get married. You gotta get married if you want to
have sex. We already had that show about the second husband.
That don't work at all. If you horny, don't get mad,
don't get married. Even when I feel like, damn, I gotta,
I gotta like go. I don't know what I'm gonna
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say when I get to Heaven to day, like they
played my positives and negatives. I just know it didn't
work for me being horned and doing a marital bliss.
We had less X. We got married and I still
but no. But that's where I came from. So I
went to a dating coach and she said, you gotta
go out with different people. It don't make you no hole.
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It just you find out what you like, what you don't,
how you can appreciate things. It's conversation. You gotta learn
how to have conversation without making the curly cues and
putting their last name on it. You gotta learn how
to go out and if they don't call you, you
ain't texting trying to be cute, you know, and and
doing a little hintson. So I started just dating. I
dated somebody I met on Instagram. Really, he was like,
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I am a sheriff. I work in Atlanta. Do you
date regular guys? He was a sheriff And I said,
are you a killer? Are you a serial killer? He
said no. I was like, okay, let's meet. So I
went to Atlanta to do something with Kim Whitley. I
had three dates in one day. I had a breakfast
date with the sheriff I had. I had another date
in the afternoon skating, and I had a dinner date.
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That was the most fun for a year, just dating
different people. And it made it made me say I
had a date while somebody ghosted me. So I had
a date with somebody all he wanted. Every time he called,
he's like, look all the pennies you got on It's Sunday,
It's the Lord's Day. Can we talks on Tuesday? He
wasn't there. No. We went out and had a great time.
He picked me up, had a beam in Mercedes. It
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was great. It was wonderful. He got but so many
people recognized us or me, and I don't think he
knew how to deal with that. You know, I went
to the bathroom and they followed me to the bathroom,
and you know it's he and he just was like,
that ain't what I want. I dated somebody who was
a big writer in Hollywood and he said to me
he was great, and he said, but I don't want
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to be sharing my shine with you. But I appreciated
it because I'm like, then, we ain't got to worry
about it. He said, we're not going to red carpet
I want. I wanted to be. I don't want to
share it with you. Well, you saved me a lot
of work. Guys like him need to go to the
derby because that sound like a bunch of insecuritis insecurities,
you know what I mean. But I'm not governa waste
my energy trying to convince you that you need because
you show me who you are to the sheriff. The sheriff,
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Oh and the sheriff. I gonna say he was great,
but I felt bad because he wanted to take me
to this one restaurant in Atlanta and it was not open,
but I saw the Old Lady Gang was right next
door and it wasn't open, and I said, well, let's
go here. I know Candy and he goes, no, it's
not open, and you know, you gotta get reservations. And
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I'm going, I don't know who you don't like, but
you don't want to play that car and I'm like,
I know Candy. So at the same time, I'm texting Candy, going, Candy,
we had the Old Lady Gang and Candy's like, I'm
gonna tell him. But even before Candy did something, the
waitress recognized me, so she was like, oh, yeah, all
them thirty people, I'm gonna open up and let you'all in.
So you don't want to say I can do this.
This is what I can do. And we sat there
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and it was just so many people because in Atlanta
was she was a church group. It was the Girl's Trim,
Miss Sherry, and it's always we hate to bother you,
but can I get Can I get a big shriff?
You don't, man. He was getting so tired of that,
and I felt bad, but I can't and I would
say no, no, I'm not gonna take any pictures. And
then we just ran. In my conversation, I was like, hey,
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what kind of gun you got? Wow, that's a big gun.
Just they have bullets. And I was and I was like,
what do you do? Oh? You take the men death?
Like he never asked what I did or anything. And
I'm I'm making jokes and he was just you know,
and uh, and then he got we got in the struggling.
Then he took me all over. He showed me and
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I hate I'm diabetic, but I was trying to You know,
that's not sexy when you say the man on the day,
I'm diabetic, so I can't eat. I can't eat this
and mess with my blood and sugar. You know you
I take ment for him, and that's not sexy. So
I didn't tell him I was diabetic and I ate pancakes.
He was like in his forties, now, y'all diabetic discussion age.
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I know, but that it was the first dake, like
you tell a man that on your third day. Man
got a joke. He said that I'm not dating no
young girls because I need to be with a woman
who can identify the sign of the stroke. That's exactly
what it is. But you don't want to be talking
about signs of a stroke on the first date, so
I want I was trying to appear to be fun
loving and you know, and I smiled alive show him
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I had a sense of humor. So I was eating pancakes,
which raised my blood sugar. So he wanted to take
me on a tour of Atlanta, and I kept falling
you not all yeah, I don't know why you fain diabetes.
I didn't want you know what he's saying. He goes,
are you a Narco left ticket? Oh this is going
nowhere fast. He was like, you ken't wake up, wake up?
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And I was like, and I ain't eating too many
because it was good. I ain't had pancakes like nine years,
and it was so good. And I was following the
sleep and he was like, and I was just like,
I gotta go home and I gotta get I gotta
take this map foreman, I need brotea, like, look at you, Jesus,
And he was like, why are you keep falling to sleep?
And I was just like, that was your opening because
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I'm diabetic, and oh yeah, because that's so sexy. Ibody
just want to tell him about the dog a magnesia
that I gotta put on my cash. Charlie Horse, so
you don't want me to give you no sugar? That
didn't run through my mind, Charles Mane, Great dating is great?
Now dating is great. All these people you weren't sleeping with? Right, No?
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And see that's what I'd be trying to say about
Lorie Harvey because any time Lord Harvey gets spotted out
with somebody, folks like, oh man, she must be sleeping
all these people. What I love about Lorie Harvey, Laurie Harvey,
don't tell you nothing. No she doing. Laurie Harvey is
Lurid Harvey, moving in silence. You know she'll post the pictures.
They will post the picture. You don't know what's going
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on with Lorie Harvey. All you knowing that the one
thing you got with Lurid Harvey is baby hair. You
could be sure baby hair. And I think you know what?
And I love Laurie Harvey because I'm like we are
as older people, we you know that that we weren't
allowed to do that date multiple people and say it's
not working out. That's what men did. I love it
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that this is a young one and who's just like
I know who I am. Yes, everybody. I know y'all
all like Michael B. Jordan, but it didn't work for me,
and I'm walking away now. You get you know, damnson
interests like shit. You go and have fun because once
you settle down and that belly get big and you
start getting them indentations on your booty. Because that baby
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just taking everything from you. It's a whole different story.
Enjoy the season of your life and keep your mouth
because she don't be telling nobody what she's doing. So
I don't know what's going on Lorie Harvey's house. I
know one thing, Lorie Harvey, if you try to steal
a car, she'll beat your ass. You see that video
when they try to steal Loris. So you gotta ride
a down right there. You just gotta be the right
one to get that ride of down you go. You know,
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I wanted to ask you too, you know, I remember
you started the show and like it's a great time
in your life, right your dream, Yeah, accomplished, but then
you also lost a great friend and David David arnold man.
But I'm sure you couldn't show that on TV. So
I owe that, like emotionally for you devastating, and it's
still devastating right now because David A. Arnold, and if
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you don't know him, god freaking look him up, was
just on the cusp. I know David from the beginning
when he was came to LA and to see somebody
on the cusp of this, of everything that he ever
dreamed of happening. I was his first major talk show.
He had his outfit hanging on the closet. We had
talked all the time, and so you know, he was
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just I saw David fail and bombed so many times
and re and course, correct and redo, and he got
on this family literally and he credits me for this.
We were on the plane with Janet Jackson going to
Essence and her baby was screaming like crazy and he
was getting so irritated because she was going up and
down the aisle, no nanny trying to quiet him up,
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and she we were talking and he was so mad
that I didn't introduce him to Jenna, because David Arnold
had an ego like nobody's business. And he made a
video and it was so funny, and I said, David,
get back to making those videos about you, about your family,
and he would go God damn. And I said, keep
doing that, and I was reposting in it, and his
numbers were going up. Then more people started reposting, and
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that's how people knew him. And so it just because
he said I don't want to write. He was an
amazing writer. I want to be an actor and it
was happening for him. So to have lost him so early,
that's the only time a question. God. It was like,
I don't understand. He loved his family so much. Somebody
came to David another big comic, Uh, Corey's good It
was Corey Holco. It was Corey Corey Hoko wanted to
(40:27):
fight David Arnold at the laugh Factory and David goes,
I'm not fighting you. I have a mortgage to pay.
I don't fight anymore, you know, And it was funny
seeing me. He was like, I'm not from the hood,
and it was like, that was David. And I wish
that the world really would have been able. He was
working with Kevin Hart and Lena Wait, he had he
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had three series that were about to go into production,
plus his own, and so I just feel bad that
the world didn't get to see what David Arnold would
have been bringing the virus is remorse like guilt because
your your dream is happening. Yeah, your guy was on
the cusp, but you know you transition. Um, it wasn't
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that survivor's remorse because I know my path was different
from David's. I just wish that more like David would
have gotten what I got. You know, David would have
gotten a success that I was able to get. I don't.
I don't get into the survivor's remorse, And why why
me and not them? We all have our own path.
And if you stopped looking at well, why me? And
how come they got it and not on I'm just
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as good, then you're not paying attention to the path
that God got you on, because we all got a
purpose and we all gotta you know. So why do
I have a talk show versus the person who is
much better than me and they don't have a talk show?
I don't know, But that's a lot of energy I'm
wasting on that. Why do I not? You know, how
come I don't have my father got dementia? How come
your father don't have dementia? I don't know. It's just
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what I have to deal with. So it's just it's
like where you're gonna spend your energy, especially as we
get older, Like I just don't have a lot of
time for where's my energy going and if it's if
it's not serving man, if it's not positive, and if
it's not pushing me forward, then I don't have time
to engage. Is that the answer you received when you
when you question God about that situation? It was silence.
But like moving to New York, I got a clear answer.
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I did not want to come to New York to
do the show once staying there, like all my friends
are in there, like my pack that I hang with.
And you know, you always got that person who talks
to guy who got the answer, and she said, God
said to me that New York is not for you,
It is for your son. He has asked Burghers that
it's for Jeffrey to find his independence. That is where
so I said, okay, he, oh my gosh, he takes
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it uber by himself. He has his own key. He
then lost five of them. I'll be like, oh, if
somebody break into this damn Brownstone, Jeffrey, I'm a kid,
You're gonna be the first one. But he lets himself in.
He took. I let him take the train to go
to the Mets game, and I prayed the whole time
the train. He won with his friends, but they all
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got special needs. All of them got special needs. And
I was just like Lord and he was like Sherry.
I got him. I cried the whole time I was texting.
And then he said, Mom, we got in a celebrity section.
What is no I pay for nosebleed section two? What
is you doing down that? He said? I told him
you was my mama. Stop using my name, boy mama,
but you can't do that because I look, he's seventeen.
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I gotta get this guardianship over him. This is my
biggest fear. Some girl he gonna tell her I'm a mama,
and some girl gonna look at my son and be like, okay,
come on over. Okay, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna have
to do in your in your windows because Jeffy told
me how to talk about him. No more. He still
is very whole, He is very pure. He ain't had that. Yes,
I'm afraid one one woman that's got a lot of
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street smarts will take a look at my he give
you flowers, you know, I don't think he's gonna tell me.
This is my biggest fear. Charlemagne. And I will call
my son and some woman pick up the phone and
I say, where is my son? And she goes, Miss Shepherd,
he don't want to talk to you. You can talk
to me, bitch. What what? I will go bust somebody
in their mouth, I swear to Gosh, and out of
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my biggest farences, she goes, he's moving in with me
because you know some of these women who do that mess.
He moving in with me. He don't want him. He
is eighteen, and no, you cannot talk to him. And
I will be like, oh n see nash him. Will
y'all got to give me out of jail because I
don't busted a woman up. And I supposed to say,
because I gotta talk show im all looking at me
like this. This is not the days. We have discussed
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what she was supposed to be talking about, and this
was not on the list. But I swear to Gosh,
my biggest fear, I believe you see if you if
you're going on stage and stab you niggas now you now,
I'm not saying I'm saying I bust you in the
mouth that. I respect that. I believe you when you
say that. Yeah, I got Now, I'm not shooting. I got,
I got jail nails. That the UV is talking they're
gonna give you kids and putting them on the train.
Them a little young biddies on that train where nothing closed.
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He's maybe on this train. I take to train all
the time. I don't like that. I don't like you
on the train. Man, you got money? Why are you
on the train? I agree with you, thank you, ny
you and I she is forbidding to take the train.
They're at twenty million people are more to take the
train every day. Okay, but first of all, I don't
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get on the train looking like this with hair down
to my ass. You're not cherry cheer because I get
on the train. If I take this wig off, I
got corn rolls, I look like Queen Latifa and set
it off. Okay, let's go there first. Then you get
on the train. For y'all who think you're not supposed to,
you get on the train envy and everybody looking at
their cell phones. Not one person is looking up. I
didn't know there was nine different Haitian languages on the train.
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The people ain't watching the Sherry show. There's so many
different languages people be speaking. I could be on that
train butt naked, and that one old lady, a Dominican
lady will recognize me, and that one the lady. You know,
nobody recognizes me on the train. I don't wear big
I don't call attention to myself. Now, if me and
Niasy Nash got on the train her freaking Cleveland, just
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down to her knees, they gonna know that's Nisy Nash.
I don't get on Sherry y Rov get on the train.
This is yeah, they're gonna recognize Sharyl At these people
get on the train. I ain't. Don't get on the
train like that. First of all, I get on the train,
I'm wrapped up, I got my hat on, I got'm
covered up, I got a raddy coat on, sweats on.
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I don't look like Sherry Shepherd because it gets me
there quickly. The dream. No, if you If I get
on the lift to go see my trainer over in
the village, it takes thirty five minutes, literally is twenty
on the train. And sometimes I don't. Sometimes I don't
want to sit in the back of the uber and
the man be talking to me, and I got to
hear the radio and he talking to his wife. And
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I'm sitting next to three car seats. I told the
lift drive today, how many kid you got? I didn't
have to way to put my stulf because the's so
many car seats in the car. I want to get
on the train, I get on the tray. I wrapped
my arm so tightly around that rail. If you try
to push me on the train, you're gonna be having
my arm in your hands. I'm like I I it
carries me around. I don't care that you don't something
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what I don't need something. When you work something, you
gotta protect it. I don't take the train at night.
I take it so when I take the pictures, there's
nobody there. It looks like it said night. It's usually
in the morning when I get to him working out.
I don't take it all the time. I have a
driver that takes me back and forth to work, so
I have a driver for that. And then it's like
it's usually on a Saturday. And then I have to
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teach my son how to ride the train because he
thinks that he my son said to me the other day,
I don't know if I want an assist it. You
will never have an assistant. And they said, you get
an assistant. No, your mama got an assistant. He was like,
when I get he's looking at apartments because he said
when he ain't seen he moving out, he wants to
go look at loft apartments. No, you don't get a
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loft apartment. Your mama get a loft apartment. So I
still have to teach Jeffrey on the weekends how to
ride the train because he's got to learn to be independent. Me.
I don't know how to get them from Queens. And
I don't even know they gonna recognize you, because they're
gonna be like, oh, Amy went the New Nose. I
get on the train, they gonna know you. Then you're
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gonna mess up my thing. Ry order them like that's
Octavia Spencer. They gonna like. Then it's gonna be like
and then you're gonna mess up my vibe. So I
don't take it all the time because I took it.
I took it. We went to see Uh, the Collaboration
with Jeremy Poe, and it was you know when you
go to Broadway, it's so crowded. The lists, it would
take them too long, so it's I'm gonna take the train.
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What I forgot was I got a bright pink coat on,
I'm dressed up. I got the wig down to my butt.
I did take the train that was the wrong and
it got dark and they dropped me off at the
wrong stop, and I looked around. I said, I don't
live in it. I'm not. I don't live in a project,
so I know I'm in the wrong. I'm in the
wrong space. And here's the thing I was because I
got off at the wrong so I didn't have a
reading glasses on, so I thought I was on the
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D train, but I was on the B train, And
so I have my Google Maps, and that's the wrong
thing to be doing walking around with your phone. And
I walked up to this street and then I said, no, no,
it's the it's core the errow going the other way.
So I walked back the other way and this girl
goes I liked that coat, and I was like, oh, shoo, okay,
And I was like, I ain't fought in so long
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when I'm living in Chicago, I'm about to fight this girl.
But here's the thing. She recognized my coat before she
recognized me. And then but then I was like oh,
and I kept going and then the dudes came out
the projects and it was it was like, hey, miss
ladies all left for me. And I was like, I
am in the area. I gotta talk show. That's that's
you know. Now they've been like that's that's all left
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for me, Mama, that all left for me? And I
was like, Hi, how are you? And I kept walking.
I was like, I'm lost. I am locked. Okay, where's
the subway station? Now? That not good? Was you in
the Bronx somewhere near that gone? Well? Check out the
Sherry showing. We're nominated for ACP Major for Sherry and
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Please share it more accolades so she can get even
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more money. Even though he's already millionaire because we gotta
get her off this train now. Ex husbands and yeah, yes, yes,
I sure am Jesus, when is that up? Jeffrey still seventeen? Yes? Yes?
Are you counting down the days? I am count down
the days? So yes, So don't get off my Wallet's
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party on the show. Yeah we should now, I don't
want to poke a sleeping bear. They've been leaving me alone. Well,
it's Sherry Shepherd. It's the Breakfast Club. Thank you for
joining us so much, Thank y'all for having I ain't
having no y'all. It's the polyps. You had the polyps.
You need the polyps, and you had to clear the
polyps out. You see a lot to take exactly. It's
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the Breakfast Club. Good morning you you
In the morning, Breakfast Club Morning, everybody in, Steve j
n V. Charlomagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club.
We got a special guests in the building. Absolutely, Sherry Shephard, Welcome.
How are you feeling? Congratulations on everything first and for
thank you so much. How does it feel to have
your own show and every day have to be there,
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it's all about you and guests, and how does it feel?
You know, it's surreal knowing that I have to go in.
It's a level of responsibility I never thought I would
have because I'm used to for all the stuff that
I do. Is what Barbara Walters used to do. I
didn't appreciate her until having my own show. She would
go to all of the affiliates. Every week. I go
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visit affiliates. I hope babies, I kiss babies, I smile
at you know, I laugh at jokes that I go, Okay,
I guess you didn't told that joke twelve years to everybody.
I gotta let you know. And so it's a lot
of stuff that I'm doing. It's meetings NonStop, and I
I'm not used to that of being that part of
because you get the glory and you also get it
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if it if it don't go. So it's like going
to get rising up to that occasion. But it's good. Well,
first of all, how are you because he's so rude,
how are you doing. I'm a little for Clint right
now because I'm so I try to get it together
because I ran into Angela uh And and Tiffany Cross.
It is Angela's name. I'm so like embarrassed. I can't
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even like im. So I'm trying to get my groove bag. Man,
this is a woman like I am such a fan
of Angela Ry. I love Tiffany Cross. They tell it
like it is like I'm like super fan. And as
soon as they walked past me, I walked out the
door and I said to Angela Ry, Hey, oh my gosh,
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what April did you think she was? I just in
my hand. I was just thinking about April Ry and
I got facial blindness anyway, I'm horrible with names. I
have facial blindness, which is called prosopagnosia. So like when
I look at your face, envy, it's just the face.
It's the nose, its lips, there's no distinguishing. I did
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not just get an I'm not sure. Well, that's how
I remember Envy's We were always doing that exactly what.
I have polyps in my nose that remove the polyps
so I could breathe better and stop snort. That's too
that's too much to try to remember to remember, just
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to remember the polyps in his nose. He had to
get the polyps remember, So if they can't even take
too long, you're gonna be gone by the time I
say it works. Envy with the nose jobs, See how
quick that is? Exactly? Yeah? Se you doing that because
he loves you so much. I doubt that. Did you
feel like Wendy's shoes were too big to feel? Well?
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I think so, I think her. I think she we
didn't even wear the same size shoes. So I don't
say yes. I think I'm asking a practical way. Yeah, yes,
Jesus you were you were you afraid of that in anyway?
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Afraid of that? Damn I'm talking about I'm not talking
about because I think you start getting afraid when you
start comparing yourself to other people and you can't. That's
where you get into trouble. You can't compare yourself to
other people. Otherwise I would have been terrified when Star
when I had to take over Star Jones's place on
the View. And the one thing that I loved is
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Star Jones called me. I was working on thirty Rock
at the time. Uh, and she called me to congratulate me,
and she says, don't try to fill my shoes, because
you will never fill my shoes. And she said, you
have to go on with your own experience, your own eyes,
and make these your memories. And she said, so I'm
not gonna tell you about who to watch out for.
You have to go in and get the lay of
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the land. And I appreciated that. So me doing what
I do. I am a stand up comic, I have
a I know what God called me to do. I
have a faith. I'm really about a lot of positivity.
So I knew that's what I do. If I if
I based my career off trying to compare myself to
other people, I still be struggling. You speak to Wendy.
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Did you get a chance to talk to Wendy When No,
I didn't get a chance to talk to you. I
didn't get a chance to talk to you, Charlotte May.
I didn't get a chance to talk to my Aunteacha Couitsia,
I know. So there were certain people that I got
a chance to talk to. It was Oprah Winfrey. Whoopie
was in Italy, so I didn't get to talk to
to Whoopie should call me back. It was Robin Roberts,
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um Ellen. I didn't get a chance nobody. You know,
people don't be having celebrity phone number so they won't
give it to you. So I didn't get to talk
to Ellen. So it's very few people that I got
to talk to. I loved the way you handled it, though,
I guess. I mean, I think a statement came out
with Wendy said she wasn't happy with she wouldn't be
watching something, And I loved the way you handled it,
you know. I mean, I again, I'm not doing it
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for anybody. I know what my assignment is. So if
somebody and everybody has free choice, it's like, if you want,
if you want to watch me, watch and see what
I can bring. If you don't, the beauty of it
is there's Tamering Hall, there's Jennifer Hudson. If you want
a sister, there are there are more than one. There
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is more than one black woman. Did you always wanted
to talk show. Was that something that this is what
I want? Yeah, I would, Yeah, it was just I
didn't realize it was a talk show that I wanted
when I was a little girl and was putting like
a paper towel in front of every in front of
my dolls. I just like to talk and I love
knowing about people. But um, it started as I got
as I was doing stand up, I was like, I'd
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like it. I'd like a talk show because I was
looking at stand up comics who did talk shows, and
stand ups are really great at doing talk shows. They're
great at being guests on a talk show. And so
I realized that's what I wanted. And my first pilot
was in two thousand and four and it went nowhere.
I did it on the Regis and Kelly said, and
it just went nowhere because I didn't know who I was.
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I just wanted to make people laugh. So if you
told me to do anything, I would do it. But
that was before the View. That was way before the view.
I did the view. I didn't start to View two
two thousand and seven, and I was devastated because I'd
done it on Regents and Kelly and I knew I
was funny, and I remember the executives walked in and
it was like, give us all you give on stage,
that that thing you do, And I was like, what
do I My voice was I was like, what do
I do? Because I'll do it? And they were like,
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you know that thing? And I was like I don't know,
and I was like Lord Jesus, and I was praying.
But I wasn't ready. I hadn't matured into the dream,
and so had he given it to me, it would
have fizzled so fast because I didn't know how it was.
I'd have sat in front of people going out, what
am I supposed to say? Now, when I sit in
front of an audience, I know exactly who I am.
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I know exactly what I'm delivering. I know exactly what
my mission is. I know exactly when some people go,
can I come on your show? No, that's not what
I do. You would be a celebrity caman. He was like,
I want to talk about something that happened in my life.
This very serious. You probably would be better with Tamren
Wow sitting there because she's a journalist, So absolutely do
you would be better served over here because you know
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Like the thing I love about tamarn is because she's
a journalist. She's going to dig places that I'm not
gonna go. I'm gonna ask you when you do, you
not to play space because I know my audience is coming.
They want to feel good, they want laughter. So I'm
not gonna go into those places. So and I and
I'm at that place, so I can go No, that
doesn't work for me. Have you taken a step back
and like took a deep breath and just reflected on
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your journey like all of that, Like you know, you
talk about two dollars four to show, didn't going away with? Yeah?
And then you know the view and then you know
you gotta let go from the view. But then you
know years later, you know you get a chance to
fill in from the fell into having your own show.
Have you like like processed all it? You know, it's
so funny, Charlemagne, because I see now looking back, sometimes
God don't show you how it's supposed to work out.
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You just got it even going through it. Trust that
it's all that scripture, everything works together for your good.
I did not realize that doing the view would be
so instrumental in me understanding how to do my show,
like I don't get caught up in social media and comments.
And because at the end of the day, I still
got to pay Jeffrey's therapist his school, and I realize
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y'all not pay if y'all just want to talk about
a fact. I ain't got no damn hips and you
ain't cute, and and you just stow this that doesn't
serve me. And that's from being on the view because
every time somebody got on me, I was going to
Barbara and Bill Getty saying, can I just get on
the air and clarify and apologize? I Barbara goes, For
God's sake, if we apologize for everything, this show would
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be called the apology, and it's not. You want to apologize,
go somewhere else and do it. And that's where I learned,
bit you better be tough everybody. You can't be letting
everything affect you. So that was a learning ground. Doing
dish Nation was a learning ground because I learned too.
I'm in a studio by myself, brat and head cracked.
They're all in Atlanta, so I have to learn to
talk to that prompter like I'm looking at like I'm
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writing in the room with other people. That serves me
when I'm sitting on that chair because I can't see
the audience, the cameras right in front of me. So yes,
now I see how all these little things doing stand up.
I have to stand on stage and headline for ninety
minutes and keep you entertained, and somebody might heckle. I
gotta think something quick. I don't have no you have
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some Okay, I'm talking about being married and divorce, but
I gotta stop and I have to handle you. That
serves me well sitting on a couch, and it serves
me well when I you. People are wearing a mask.
I can't see if you laughing or not, but I
have to know that I know walking out there, they'll
share you funny, this is, this is You've been prepared
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for this. So yes, now I see where got all
these little things that I had to do? Even when
I bombed, you know, and Dio Hughley told me get
back on stage. You gotta get back. So when I
when things don't work segments that I want to try
and they may not work, I go, okay, fail, you
ain't no big, Let's get back up and try something.
Do you remember your worst show as a comedian? And
I asked old comedians that do you remember your worst show?
Oh my gosh. It was Mark Curry's manager. I don't
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remember his manager's name. He and Jamie had the same manager,
some King, Marcus King. They used to have a comedy
show contest in Oakland, California, and me and my girlfriend,
she's now a big publicist at ABC free Form. Because
she didn't stay in the game, we pretty much hitched
a ride because this ain't for the week standup comedy.
We hitched a ride. Don't do this girls, if you
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hear me, but we hitched a ride all the way
to Oakland, California, from LA from LA. We hitch goes.
We didn't have no money, We've struggling, and we went
and did this contest because the deaf jam people were
there staying Lathan. Everybody was there watching these comments, the
comics and I have worked on my act and the
first round knocked out the first freaking round because they
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put me last out to follow all the dirty comics
and I was clean. I don't even curse. Remember, Oh
my gosh, she was Lester Barry was del huge. Lee
did Jamie go up. Might have been Jamie because yeah,
it probably was Jamie because he didn't have nothing in
except pimples on his face. He didn't have nothing. Um
it was it was Evette Brown. She used to play
in dell on Moitia. She and um, oh my gosh.
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Cat wasn't out then, we didn't know him. Might have
been was jab there. I know Mark Curry was there.
It's all the ones that you see now that are that,
and then there's a lot of them that you don't see.
All of the Oakland comics were there, and they put me.
It was twenty four comics. I was twenty three, So
me coming out gonna hey everybody, how you doing. They
was like boo, bitch, get out to stay. And then
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all the comics when you bomb, they don't want to
be around you. They don't even want to talk to you.
It's like you got some kind of disease. And I
cried and I have no money to get home, and
um we had to hitch back and then I it
was a horrible and my girlfriend made it the next round.
She made it the next round and she had to
come too. She I was like, well, you're gonna come back.
She was like, noa, I made it, so I had
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to go back home by myself, made you continue on
because at that point most people have been like, you
know what, maybe comedies not for me. It was all
I had. It was like I was illegal secretary. My
mom had diabetes and she was not taking care of herself,
so she was sick. I had an as sister. It
was on you know, on drugs. Look at my fami,
my fami. My home was just my ex boy from
he had gone to prison, like he was writing let
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us all the time time he was gonna kill me.
I mean, it was like, I really do need a
lifetime movie. I'm on si Hona teller to place mat
But no, no, I just it was all I had
to be able to get on stage in the darkest
times and half the time out of half a place
to live, staying on people's couches. That was the only
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time I felt like somebody or you know, just being
on stage, you know, and I could make people laugh
at the stuff that I was going through. So I
got the journal from when I was on stage. It
has tears dried up on the on the notebook. So
that's why I got on safe. I got A two
pu's both of your careers. When you do stand up
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in that moment and you said you was number twenty
four and everybody before you was dirty. That was an
era where you had to be like shocking, right, like
you had to have like some edge to you. Just
exactly how did you keep yourself from being that? Because
I couldn't be that, Like I like, if you Sheryl
Underwood was on there, and if you better seeing Sheryl
on stage like Sherlin turned out, She's still Joe Tory.
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Joe Tory was on the thing. You're following Joe Tory.
Oh my gosh. So uh was t K doing it
to them? I'm from the valley, so I'm talking like this.
My voice was so how you guys do? Um? I
couldn't be I tried to go up on stage one
time at the Birdland West and Long Beach and I
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tried Scrunch show was up at the Now more names
are coming to me, but um, I tried to be Sheryl,
but it's not authentic. And I remember going up on
stage and I tried to do I had this Heckla
line prepared if they said something, and I was gonna
be like I'll stab you, Ugga, I'll stab And I
tried it and he was laughing because then it don't
hardly look sure, looked like she could stab you, Sherry Shepherd, No, sir,
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So it didn't work. Me trying to be somebody who
I wasn't, and I learned to just you know, DL
said you gotta get back up on the stage. Jamie
was very encouraging vette everybody, and I just realized it's
just you gotta keep getting back up. You gotta keep
showing up and you eventually get better. If you keep
doing it, you get better. So you have to you
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gotta bomb. You gotta fail otherwise you really don't appreciate
it when you get on stage. And now I can
get on stage it, don't you know a heckler, You're
not scaring me because you're not making the money I'm making.
You probably want to do what I'm doing right now.
But you're scared, so you're gonna scream it on stage
where it's dark. But if I put a microphone in
front of your face, you ain't really got too much
to say. And everybody in this room came to see
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me and they really want you gone. So when I
coming out. I got their confidence. They know. So the
second part of that is, I guess you applied that
to the View as well. Because Barbara Walters is the
bar I was a messenger in the View. I wasn't
confidence at all, okay, because Barbara, like Barbara was ratchet,
you know what I mean. I love I loved every way.
She questions, did you feel like you had to be
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that when you were on the View, Yeah, I felt
like I had to. Like I got on this show,
Charlotte Mage Andy Murphy wasn't one and told me I
was doing a show. I was doing a movie called
Who's Your Caddy with Big Boy. I'm talking in times
with Terry Crews. I'm just trying to make people laugh.
And they called me to guest host, and I guest
hosted and they liked me. And then Star was like,
when I go on, when I go on the road,
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I want to Sherry to fill in for me. I
was terrified to meet Star. Probably called her by the
wrong name, um stay sick because she was a big lawyer,
and Enjoy said, I like Sherry when I go on
the road and do kids called so he kept calling me.
But I never wanted to do that show because I
knew they were talking about politics and debating. I was
as Jehovah's witness. I didn't do no debating on it,
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talk back to people who were older than me, and um,
everybody kept saying, do it because it's gonna change your life.
My best friend John Murray, who was my EP on
my show, he said, Sherry, doing the view will change
your life, and I promise you. And I did it reluctantly.
And here the first week I said, I don't know
if the Earth was round the flat, step right in it.
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And I did. And by the way, I do know
that the Earth is round. I was so nervous. When
I get nervous, I can't remember names. I could, you know,
I didn't even hear them ask me the question. You
were ahead of your time. This is more flat Earth
is now now they aren't coming about the whoopworks everybody
who said Earth is flat. Um. But to sit next
to this woman who was just like, she don't smile,
(16:43):
she don't you know. And then I'm next to Whoopee
who's looking to be like, bitch, you don't know nothing,
you know. I'm just like So it was very It
was very hard for me. How did you find yourself
on that show? Because you know Barbara would ask anything. Yeah,
and whoopee is already established. And that was the year
we started doing a lot of politics because that's the
year Obama was running, and it was a lot of
race stuff coming up. And I had to learn. It
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was a lot of failures and it was a lot
of falls. I don't like callm failures. It was a
lot of faults on the view and I, you know,
I had to sit and look at Bill Maher saying
they could do something with the stupid stick to me,
Bill O'Reilly called me a pinhead. You gave me Donkey
of the day like this was everything, Howard. I don't
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remember what you gave it. No, you said I don't
have no butt or something. It was a Tasmanian devil,
I remember. I know. But now you're now you you've involved,
Now you have therapy in your life, and you give
the gods that we all served your respectful. You love
people's energy. You do like now you're you're change, You've
evolved you and you weren't not all that when you
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gave me Donkey in the day and talked about it.
I was listening to y'all did show. Yeah, me and
my son listened to the show. He was like, Mommy
was shawmmate, don't like y'all. I don't know. Well, when
you give somebody donkey to day, Charlotte mage people when
you on the other Saturday asked stephen A. Smith, when
you're on up sad that people you know, you're thinking
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of people. You think people don't like you. But it
is all of that I had. That's how I learned, Sherry.
You can't take in everybody else's energy that doesn't serve you.
I know that that's wanna pay attention to social media.
I wish I could let these young people know get
beyond social media and clapping back and you arguing with
this one. It don't serve you. It is a waste
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of energy. But I didn't know that then, But I learned.
I learned from a woman going, this ain't the day
an apology show. Go out there, stand by what you said,
and we're gonna keep it moving because basically, once the
next news cycle comes, they're gonna forget what you said. No,
that's what I want to ask you about that, because
that's a good point, right. Thank you for coming to
But after you gave you don't get you to show
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I may actually you apologize. You was like, no, you're not.
Then you said you were sorry. So the evolution I
could see it happened. And even then so with that, right,
like we've seen Barbara Walters do apology shows and like
everybody sees all this old content of Barbara and they're
using the N word and asking people about that sexuality.
So if somebody came to you right now, I was like,
Barbara Walters is racist. You know these kids are they
they see what would you say to them? I would say,
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you'd have to you you only saw a clip, because
everything everybody operates in little three second clips. I would
say you have to work with this woman because because
the reason why you may be on the air is
because of Barbara Walters. And so the same woman is
the same woman who put two black women on the
air when no, you had never seen that before. There
had never been two black women on a talk show
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and Barbara Walters ABC did not want me and she
fought for me to be on there. So if you
saying a racist wants another two black women on her
show and she's a racist, that that don't that don't
even go together. Because she felt like I had something
to say. And when people would talk about she, she
defended me on how return Now you know, so a
woman who's doing that, And she would always say to me,
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I believe in you. You can do it. Just freaking
read a book and defend what. You can't rely on
your pastor what your pastor says all the time. Read
a book. Now. I love talking politics, but I had
to go through I didn't know about politics, and I
didn't know what you know different things, but I do now.
So falling is not bad. It's a way you look
at it. You get back up, you keep showing up,
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and you're gonna get better. And then there's other blessing.
Now you mentioned stephen A. Smith. He was on your show.
Oh he stepped in. Oh my gosh. I was trying
to let him know. On the couch he was a
conversation about super Bowl. Oh my god, and then he
went jumped out the window and just said out of
nowhere for no reason. Rihanna is no, oh my god,
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why you know? But the thing about it is like
I feel like stephen A. A lot of people I
had discern that's what he does, that's what he gets
paid for. But there's a way that men be talking.
You know, y'all talk, you can get rudo. But when
you go in front of an audience full of black women,
it's a day in time. Were tired of being compared
to the next black woman. Well, black women are feeling like,
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don't nobody protect us like you. It's a lot of
triggers and you and I feel like somebody on his
team should have been briefing him, going, this is a
female talk show, stephen A. This isn't because on his show,
I'm sure they tell the women, if y'all want to
play on our field, you gotta take you gotta be
able to play like a man. But I wish somebody
would have said, you're coming on an all female show.
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They love Sherry, these are women, so there's a you
gotta you gotta course correct a little bit. And I
don't think so. And I think it threw him, you know,
because Steven got he got that swag. He sat back
and did his tie and I was like, oh trouble
and you you coming on with the swag because they
was loving Steven, they were loving him, and he did
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everything that he did. He does it on his show,
but she ain't no Beyonce, it's said he does that.
That crowd was not and he wasn't reading the room
like yeah, wait a minute, wait a minute. You know,
I'm gonna give it this and I'm gonna give her that,
you know, And I'm looking at him going, I just
wanted to use the N word right on the air, going, boy,
(22:16):
you are, you are stepping in it and this ain't
gonna and it ain't gonna lie on just my show.
You may think you be thinking this the Little Sherry show.
This suck about to get out. I tried. I was like,
wait a minute, wait a minute, we're trying to He
wasn't going with me, and no we're not comparing, Like
what was the point, Like it wasn't even a discussion.
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I think, you know, because this is what Steve n does.
He just you know, he causes, he does controversy and
he it's in his DNA to go yeah, but and
this is how people talk. We've had this, you know,
when you with your friends, you taught who's better. I
loved it when Katie Perry came on and Missy Elliott
stole it you know, we have those discussions, but you
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gotta know how to read your room. Katie and Missy
is different because yes we want. Yeah, I'm paying no
attention to Katie. Yeah I want. I'm just saying the
feeling I got with Missy exploded on that stage is
why I watch set through Katie Perry's set. It was
Missy Elliott. So there's a way that you talk. There's
things that I will not say on my show that
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because I know that's not my audience. And I learned
that from the view John had to call it. It
was one time I was defending Sarah Palin with everything
I had. I was because she had a special needs child.
So I was like, this is a woman with a
special need said and John was like, black people hate you.
Stop it. It's certain things. There's your inside voice, there's Joe.
So I will never be that person who says everything
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that's on my mind. But why can't we have nuance?
I understand what John saying, but you should be able
to say, hey, I can relate because she has a
special need child. But also I don't, I mean I
like her politics? Why because I wasn't articulate like that
at that time I am now yeah, like because we
had a whole discussion backstage because I do feel like
I don't like that so many people jumped on Stephen
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because it was an opinion. He loves both women. He
really does love both women. He just he just felt,
you gotta you gotta come up to where Beyonce is
re renos that she got that competition within herself. Um,
he just didn't read the room. And I felt. I
came in and I said, I want to say, this
was unfair to Stephen a smith. He should have been
ba And John said, you have to you have to
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do are you falling on the sword with Stephen? Because
this is what you're gonna get the backlash. There's a
way you can articulate this, Sherry, because we gotta remember
the theme of the show is you're being funny, you're light,
So you can't come on, you know, wagging your finger people.
Because what I don't like is that nobody is allowed
to have an opinion and say anything without people going
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to take him off the air and canceling. So we
worked it through. It took us about twenty five minutes.
We worked it through. Of Okay, why I put a
joke in here, I could do it, okay, so to
be having the navy, you know, I could say this
and I so that it's palatable for everybody. And I
still said the same thing, and I still put in
my message up. I don't like us being at a
place where we can't say our opinion. So that's what
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I know how to do that now, really apologize in
the parking lot, right, because he apologized in the car
because I think it was just shell shot too. And
you know, because you know you don't and also you
just don't realize how big this. The people in today
we get triggered and that affects you. But and that's
why I said, please go buy his book because he
does say some really great things in his book about
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you know, about his relationship with his father, his mother,
how instrument and I still have women going I don't
give it because the sisters didn't teach him nothing, and
as mama didn't. I mean, I have friends who are
really angry. And he didn't say what right if you say,
if y'all have a discussion about live performers, and you
say Rihanna not a better live performer than Beyonce, but
all you said, was Rihanna ain't no Beyonce, What does
that even mean? I think it's just him saying, you know,
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you know, y'all, you know your uncle left it and Thanksgiving,
no matter what you say, your uncle like, yeah, but
you know he ain't gonna the way he run. And
I think and also I think that Stephen Asmith didn't
realize we black women, we are just feeling like we're
not protected. You know, it's not like you have to
with with on first take, you are brutally taking down
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thirty NFL teams. You got a lot of comparison, well
black women at this at this level performing at the
super Bowl. It's three of them. One got in trouble,
a nipple got shown, she got thrown under the bus,
and her career was gone for a minute. Janet Jackson,
you got Beyonce, you got Rihanna. You just have it
like it's not a lot. There's not a lot of us,
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so to be trying to it does look like you're
pitting us against And that's why I think you have
to have women on your team sometimes to go let
me come in here and tell you something. So I
don't think that went through Black women and with them
was black women when they and they turned quick, Oh
my gosh. And then you also you got to be half.
It's a bunch of fourteen year olds coming after you.
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And you don't realize the power of fourteen year olds
putting me teams all. You can't even get to the
good comments because they're fourteen year olds. Ain't got nothing
to do. I don't argue what to be high. I
don't even say these Nikki re red Beyonce. The worst
they said to me when I did when I was
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filling in, and I think I said one thing. It
wasn't even nothing bad, and somebody put on a post
they said, don't even go there because we'll take you down.
It was like the mafia heads to me. I showed John,
I was saying, they they comment, and I was like,
oh my gosh, this dig on these barbs. I want
to salute John John because I was told that you
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you you told that bout murky. I'm not doing this
show of John, And I thought that was so just
doping on the absolutely yeah for so long. Um, John
is like the wonder kind of creativity. So a lot
of the stuff that we do is John's idea We've
been on this journey twenty or more years, and he
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is smart and a lot of people he knows. He
has a lot of connections in the business, and not
connections where you do. For me, I do few relationships,
is what I should say, A lot of He got
that Janet Jackson thing happening. That was John Murray who
did this. So I couldn't give credit to the show
because it was John. He you know people that come
on our show, John makes a phone call. We can't
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get clearance. John makes a phone call. So he has relationships.
He knows talk shows like the back of his hand.
He helped me on the view articulate what I was
gonna say. I knew what I wanted to say, but
he was like, you can't. You don't have enough time
to say that. Whoopie's gonna say this to you. Joey's
gonna interrupt. You got to say it succinctly and quickly.
And John helped me with that, And so I knew
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that this dream was not only my dream, it was
John Murray's dream too, because he's the only black man
with the executive producer title and the power. And I said,
I didn't just want him to be executive producer. He
had to have the power. That's what I had to
fight for. So he and he's great and the producers
love him, and you know, so I trust him because
I can't fight all of the battles and I can't
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be up on the other side in the office and
I can't. Yeah, I gotta it's just sitting on that couch.
It's a mental thing I gotta do. So having him
with me and being able to look at him and
he says things, I don't know what I would I wouldn't.
I wouldn't have done the show without him. Now, I
wouldn't would have walked away. That says a lot about you, though,
you know what I mean, because this is your dream
to do this show. And I'm sure that you know,
let's get more more experienced DP and you're like, no, no,
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this is who I wants. Yeah, he knows he's got
the We got the same vision. When we stand behind
that door, he grabs my hand. We pray for the
audience who is watching on TV. We pray for the
audience who is sitting there that they're gonna that they
see that side of God, the laughter, the love that
they feel better than when they came because we're going
through so much. I don't do politics for a reason.
I don't do heavy stuff because I feel like you
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can get that from You can get it from when
Tiffany Cross comes right back on the air. You're gonna
be able to get it from Tiffany. You're gonna be
able to get it from Angela. You're gonna be able
to get it from Rachel Manou or Fox if you
watch it. But for me, I want you to have
a respite from all. I want you to be able
to laugh. And John is so clear, So when people
come to me and go you should do this, I
want He's the one that takes all of the bullets
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and stands in front of me and shields me so
that I can go out. He's the one that says,
don't bother Sherry with this because it messes up with
her mind and it's hard to produce her. So he
knows me so well. Now, you talked about how difficult
it was dating before the last time you were a pair.
Hasn't gotten any easier as your DMS flooded. How is
dating that? Yeah, they're still fluttered with people who ain't
got that side tooth and they're missing the finger and
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they still in their mama's basement. I still get those
um but you know what it is. I remember I
remember sitting talk with the comedian Rodney Perry and he
told me, he was like, you know, you in your
fifties and y'all mouth, and you don't want to be
and this and it's gonna be hard and to win
the closing. And I remember I remember laughing, going, but
it only, it's only I'm only gonna be with one man.
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There's somebody out here who's gonna love my mouth? Who's going?
And that sound horrible? Look. I was like, Sherry, this
whole show. My father is like, really she trying to
get rid of this whole She's trying to ask this
whole interview. PU by the way, smiles smiles. We've been
together with ten years. I'm telling I don't I like,
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I like longevity in my life. But no, I meant like,
they're gonna like what I say. They're not gonna be insecure.
They're not gonna and it's only one, it ain't thirteen
of them. And I literally when and I started dating
more because I would date Envy. We would go out
on a date. I want to marry you. I'm writing,
you know, Sherry envy with us and hearts. Yes, that's
how it was because I was in this religion that
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taught you you don't know, Charlotte Manna, you gotta get married,
get married. You gotta get married if you want to
have sex. We already had that show about the second husband.
That don't work at all. If you horny, don't get mad,
don't get married. Even when I feel like, damn, I gotta,
I gotta like go. I don't know what I'm gonna
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say when I get to Heaven to day, like they
played my positives and negatives. I just know it didn't
work for me being horned and doing a marital bliss.
We had less X. We got married and I still
but no. But that's where I came from. So I
went to a dating coach and she said, you gotta
go out with different people. It don't make you no hole.
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It just you find out what you like, what you don't,
how you can appreciate things. It's conversation. You gotta learn
how to have conversation without making the curly cues and
putting their last name on it. You gotta learn how
to go out and if they don't call you, you
ain't texting trying to be cute, you know, and and
doing a little hintson. So I started just dating. I
dated somebody I met on Instagram. Really, he was like,
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I am a sheriff. I work in Atlanta. Do you
date regular guys? He was a sheriff And I said,
are you a killer? Are you a serial killer? He
said no. I was like, okay, let's meet. So I
went to Atlanta to do something with Kim Whitley. I
had three dates in one day. I had a breakfast
date with the sheriff I had. I had another date
in the afternoon skating, and I had a dinner date.
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That was the most fun for a year, just dating
different people. And it made it made me say I
had a date while somebody ghosted me. So I had
a date with somebody all he wanted. Every time he called,
he's like, look all the pennies you got on It's Sunday,
It's the Lord's Day. Can we talks on Tuesday? He
wasn't there. No. We went out and had a great time.
He picked me up, had a beam in Mercedes. It
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was great. It was wonderful. He got but so many
people recognized us or me, and I don't think he
knew how to deal with that. You know, I went
to the bathroom and they followed me to the bathroom,
and you know it's he and he just was like,
that ain't what I want. I dated somebody who was
a big writer in Hollywood and he said to me
he was great, and he said, but I don't want
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to be sharing my shine with you. But I appreciated
it because I'm like, then, we ain't got to worry
about it. He said, we're not going to red carpet
I want. I wanted to be. I don't want to
share it with you. Well, you saved me a lot
of work. Guys like him need to go to the
derby because that sound like a bunch of insecuritis insecurities,
you know what I mean. But I'm not governa waste
my energy trying to convince you that you need because
you show me who you are to the sheriff. The sheriff,
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Oh and the sheriff. I gonna say he was great,
but I felt bad because he wanted to take me
to this one restaurant in Atlanta and it was not open,
but I saw the Old Lady Gang was right next
door and it wasn't open, and I said, well, let's
go here. I know Candy and he goes, no, it's
not open, and you know, you gotta get reservations. And
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I'm going, I don't know who you don't like, but
you don't want to play that car and I'm like,
I know Candy. So at the same time, I'm texting Candy, going, Candy,
we had the Old Lady Gang and Candy's like, I'm
gonna tell him. But even before Candy did something, the
waitress recognized me, so she was like, oh, yeah, all
them thirty people, I'm gonna open up and let you'all in.
So you don't want to say I can do this.
This is what I can do. And we sat there
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and it was just so many people because in Atlanta
was she was a church group. It was the Girl's Trim,
Miss Sherry, and it's always we hate to bother you,
but can I get Can I get a big shriff?
You don't, man. He was getting so tired of that,
and I felt bad, but I can't and I would
say no, no, I'm not gonna take any pictures. And
then we just ran. In my conversation, I was like, hey,
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what kind of gun you got? Wow, that's a big gun.
Just they have bullets. And I was and I was like,
what do you do? Oh? You take the men death?
Like he never asked what I did or anything. And
I'm I'm making jokes and he was just you know,
and uh, and then he got we got in the struggling.
Then he took me all over. He showed me and
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I hate I'm diabetic, but I was trying to You know,
that's not sexy when you say the man on the day,
I'm diabetic, so I can't eat. I can't eat this
and mess with my blood and sugar. You know you
I take ment for him, and that's not sexy. So
I didn't tell him I was diabetic and I ate pancakes.
He was like in his forties, now, y'all diabetic discussion age.
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I know, but that it was the first dake, like
you tell a man that on your third day. Man
got a joke. He said that I'm not dating no
young girls because I need to be with a woman
who can identify the sign of the stroke. That's exactly
what it is. But you don't want to be talking
about signs of a stroke on the first date, so
I want I was trying to appear to be fun
loving and you know, and I smiled alive show him
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I had a sense of humor. So I was eating pancakes,
which raised my blood sugar. So he wanted to take
me on a tour of Atlanta, and I kept falling
you not all yeah, I don't know why you fain diabetes.
I didn't want you know what he's saying. He goes,
are you a Narco left ticket? Oh this is going
nowhere fast. He was like, you ken't wake up, wake up?
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And I was like, and I ain't eating too many
because it was good. I ain't had pancakes like nine years,
and it was so good. And I was following the
sleep and he was like, and I was just like,
I gotta go home and I gotta get I gotta
take this map foreman, I need brotea, like, look at you, Jesus,
And he was like, why are you keep falling to sleep?
And I was just like, that was your opening because
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I'm diabetic, and oh yeah, because that's so sexy. Ibody
just want to tell him about the dog a magnesia
that I gotta put on my cash. Charlie Horse, so
you don't want me to give you no sugar? That
didn't run through my mind, Charles Mane, Great dating is great?
Now dating is great. All these people you weren't sleeping with? Right, No?
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And see that's what I'd be trying to say about
Lorie Harvey because any time Lord Harvey gets spotted out
with somebody, folks like, oh man, she must be sleeping
all these people. What I love about Lorie Harvey, Laurie Harvey,
don't tell you nothing. No she doing. Laurie Harvey is
Lurid Harvey, moving in silence. You know she'll post the pictures.
They will post the picture. You don't know what's going
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on with Lorie Harvey. All you knowing that the one
thing you got with Lurid Harvey is baby hair. You
could be sure baby hair. And I think you know what?
And I love Laurie Harvey because I'm like we are
as older people, we you know that that we weren't
allowed to do that date multiple people and say it's
not working out. That's what men did. I love it
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that this is a young one and who's just like
I know who I am. Yes, everybody. I know y'all
all like Michael B. Jordan, but it didn't work for me,
and I'm walking away now. You get you know, damnson
interests like shit. You go and have fun because once
you settle down and that belly get big and you
start getting them indentations on your booty. Because that baby
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just taking everything from you. It's a whole different story.
Enjoy the season of your life and keep your mouth
because she don't be telling nobody what she's doing. So
I don't know what's going on Lorie Harvey's house. I
know one thing, Lorie Harvey, if you try to steal
a car, she'll beat your ass. You see that video
when they try to steal Loris. So you gotta ride
a down right there. You just gotta be the right
one to get that ride of down you go. You know,
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I wanted to ask you too, you know, I remember
you started the show and like it's a great time
in your life, right your dream, Yeah, accomplished, but then
you also lost a great friend and David David arnold man.
But I'm sure you couldn't show that on TV. So
I owe that, like emotionally for you devastating, and it's
still devastating right now because David A. Arnold, and if
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you don't know him, god freaking look him up, was
just on the cusp. I know David from the beginning
when he was came to LA and to see somebody
on the cusp of this, of everything that he ever
dreamed of happening. I was his first major talk show.
He had his outfit hanging on the closet. We had
talked all the time, and so you know, he was
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just I saw David fail and bombed so many times
and re and course, correct and redo, and he got
on this family literally and he credits me for this.
We were on the plane with Janet Jackson going to
Essence and her baby was screaming like crazy and he
was getting so irritated because she was going up and
down the aisle, no nanny trying to quiet him up,
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and she we were talking and he was so mad
that I didn't introduce him to Jenna, because David Arnold
had an ego like nobody's business. And he made a
video and it was so funny, and I said, David,
get back to making those videos about you, about your family,
and he would go God damn. And I said, keep
doing that, and I was reposting in it, and his
numbers were going up. Then more people started reposting, and
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that's how people knew him. And so it just because
he said I don't want to write. He was an
amazing writer. I want to be an actor and it
was happening for him. So to have lost him so early,
that's the only time a question. God. It was like,
I don't understand. He loved his family so much. Somebody
came to David another big comic, Uh, Corey's good It
was Corey Holco. It was Corey Corey Hoko wanted to
(40:27):
fight David Arnold at the laugh Factory and David goes,
I'm not fighting you. I have a mortgage to pay.
I don't fight anymore, you know, And it was funny
seeing me. He was like, I'm not from the hood,
and it was like, that was David. And I wish
that the world really would have been able. He was
working with Kevin Hart and Lena Wait, he had he
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had three series that were about to go into production,
plus his own, and so I just feel bad that
the world didn't get to see what David Arnold would
have been bringing the virus is remorse like guilt because
your your dream is happening. Yeah, your guy was on
the cusp, but you know you transition. Um, it wasn't
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that survivor's remorse because I know my path was different
from David's. I just wish that more like David would
have gotten what I got. You know, David would have
gotten a success that I was able to get. I don't.
I don't get into the survivor's remorse, And why why
me and not them? We all have our own path.
And if you stopped looking at well, why me? And
how come they got it and not on I'm just
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as good, then you're not paying attention to the path
that God got you on, because we all got a
purpose and we all gotta you know. So why do
I have a talk show versus the person who is
much better than me and they don't have a talk show?
I don't know, But that's a lot of energy I'm
wasting on that. Why do I not? You know, how
come I don't have my father got dementia? How come
your father don't have dementia? I don't know. It's just
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what I have to deal with. So it's just it's
like where you're gonna spend your energy, especially as we
get older, Like I just don't have a lot of
time for where's my energy going and if it's if
it's not serving man, if it's not positive, and if
it's not pushing me forward, then I don't have time
to engage. Is that the answer you received when you
when you question God about that situation? It was silence.
But like moving to New York, I got a clear answer.
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I did not want to come to New York to
do the show once staying there, like all my friends
are in there, like my pack that I hang with.
And you know, you always got that person who talks
to guy who got the answer, and she said, God
said to me that New York is not for you,
It is for your son. He has asked Burghers that
it's for Jeffrey to find his independence. That is where
so I said, okay, he, oh my gosh, he takes
(42:33):
it uber by himself. He has his own key. He
then lost five of them. I'll be like, oh, if
somebody break into this damn Brownstone, Jeffrey, I'm a kid,
You're gonna be the first one. But he lets himself in.
He took. I let him take the train to go
to the Mets game, and I prayed the whole time
the train. He won with his friends, but they all
(42:54):
got special needs. All of them got special needs. And
I was just like Lord and he was like Sherry.
I got him. I cried the whole time I was texting.
And then he said, Mom, we got in a celebrity section.
What is no I pay for nosebleed section two? What
is you doing down that? He said? I told him
you was my mama. Stop using my name, boy mama,
but you can't do that because I look, he's seventeen.
(43:16):
I gotta get this guardianship over him. This is my
biggest fear. Some girl he gonna tell her I'm a mama,
and some girl gonna look at my son and be like, okay,
come on over. Okay, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna have
to do in your in your windows because Jeffy told
me how to talk about him. No more. He still
is very whole, He is very pure. He ain't had that. Yes,
I'm afraid one one woman that's got a lot of
(43:39):
street smarts will take a look at my he give
you flowers, you know, I don't think he's gonna tell me.
This is my biggest fear. Charlemagne. And I will call
my son and some woman pick up the phone and
I say, where is my son? And she goes, Miss Shepherd,
he don't want to talk to you. You can talk
to me, bitch. What what? I will go bust somebody
in their mouth, I swear to Gosh, and out of
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my biggest farences, she goes, he's moving in with me
because you know some of these women who do that mess.
He moving in with me. He don't want him. He
is eighteen, and no, you cannot talk to him. And
I will be like, oh n see nash him. Will
y'all got to give me out of jail because I
don't busted a woman up. And I supposed to say,
because I gotta talk show im all looking at me
like this. This is not the days. We have discussed
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what she was supposed to be talking about, and this
was not on the list. But I swear to Gosh,
my biggest fear, I believe you see if you if
you're going on stage and stab you niggas now you now,
I'm not saying I'm saying I bust you in the
mouth that. I respect that. I believe you when you
say that. Yeah, I got Now, I'm not shooting. I got,
I got jail nails. That the UV is talking they're
gonna give you kids and putting them on the train.
Them a little young biddies on that train where nothing closed.
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He's maybe on this train. I take to train all
the time. I don't like that. I don't like you
on the train. Man, you got money? Why are you
on the train? I agree with you, thank you, ny
you and I she is forbidding to take the train.
They're at twenty million people are more to take the
train every day. Okay, but first of all, I don't
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get on the train looking like this with hair down
to my ass. You're not cherry cheer because I get
on the train. If I take this wig off, I
got corn rolls, I look like Queen Latifa and set
it off. Okay, let's go there first. Then you get
on the train. For y'all who think you're not supposed to,
you get on the train envy and everybody looking at
their cell phones. Not one person is looking up. I
didn't know there was nine different Haitian languages on the train.
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The people ain't watching the Sherry show. There's so many
different languages people be speaking. I could be on that
train butt naked, and that one old lady, a Dominican
lady will recognize me, and that one the lady. You know,
nobody recognizes me on the train. I don't wear big
I don't call attention to myself. Now, if me and
Niasy Nash got on the train her freaking Cleveland, just
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down to her knees, they gonna know that's Nisy Nash.
I don't get on Sherry y Rov get on the train.
This is yeah, they're gonna recognize Sharyl At these people
get on the train. I ain't. Don't get on the
train like that. First of all, I get on the train,
I'm wrapped up, I got my hat on, I got'm
covered up, I got a raddy coat on, sweats on.
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I don't look like Sherry Shepherd because it gets me
there quickly. The dream. No, if you If I get
on the lift to go see my trainer over in
the village, it takes thirty five minutes, literally is twenty
on the train. And sometimes I don't. Sometimes I don't
want to sit in the back of the uber and
the man be talking to me, and I got to
hear the radio and he talking to his wife. And
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I'm sitting next to three car seats. I told the
lift drive today, how many kid you got? I didn't
have to way to put my stulf because the's so
many car seats in the car. I want to get
on the train, I get on the tray. I wrapped
my arm so tightly around that rail. If you try
to push me on the train, you're gonna be having
my arm in your hands. I'm like I I it
carries me around. I don't care that you don't something
(46:58):
what I don't need something. When you work something, you
gotta protect it. I don't take the train at night.
I take it so when I take the pictures, there's
nobody there. It looks like it said night. It's usually
in the morning when I get to him working out.
I don't take it all the time. I have a
driver that takes me back and forth to work, so
I have a driver for that. And then it's like
it's usually on a Saturday. And then I have to
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teach my son how to ride the train because he
thinks that he my son said to me the other day,
I don't know if I want an assist it. You
will never have an assistant. And they said, you get
an assistant. No, your mama got an assistant. He was like,
when I get he's looking at apartments because he said
when he ain't seen he moving out, he wants to
go look at loft apartments. No, you don't get a
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loft apartment. Your mama get a loft apartment. So I
still have to teach Jeffrey on the weekends how to
ride the train because he's got to learn to be independent. Me.
I don't know how to get them from Queens. And
I don't even know they gonna recognize you, because they're
gonna be like, oh, Amy went the New Nose. I
get on the train, they gonna know you. Then you're
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gonna mess up my thing. Ry order them like that's
Octavia Spencer. They gonna like. Then it's gonna be like
and then you're gonna mess up my vibe. So I
don't take it all the time because I took it.
I took it. We went to see Uh, the Collaboration
with Jeremy Poe, and it was you know when you
go to Broadway, it's so crowded. The lists, it would
take them too long, so it's I'm gonna take the train.
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What I forgot was I got a bright pink coat on,
I'm dressed up. I got the wig down to my butt.
I did take the train that was the wrong and
it got dark and they dropped me off at the
wrong stop, and I looked around. I said, I don't
live in it. I'm not. I don't live in a project,
so I know I'm in the wrong. I'm in the
wrong space. And here's the thing I was because I
got off at the wrong so I didn't have a
reading glasses on, so I thought I was on the
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D train, but I was on the B train, And
so I have my Google Maps, and that's the wrong
thing to be doing walking around with your phone. And
I walked up to this street and then I said, no, no,
it's the it's core the errow going the other way.
So I walked back the other way and this girl
goes I liked that coat, and I was like, oh, shoo, okay,
And I was like, I ain't fought in so long
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when I'm living in Chicago, I'm about to fight this girl.
But here's the thing. She recognized my coat before she
recognized me. And then but then I was like oh,
and I kept going and then the dudes came out
the projects and it was it was like, hey, miss
ladies all left for me. And I was like, I
am in the area. I gotta talk show. That's that's
you know. Now they've been like that's that's all left
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for me, Mama, that all left for me? And I
was like, Hi, how are you? And I kept walking.
I was like, I'm lost. I am locked. Okay, where's
the subway station? Now? That not good? Was you in
the Bronx somewhere near that gone? Well? Check out the
Sherry showing. We're nominated for ACP Major for Sherry and
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won for my podcast two Funny Mamas and Kim Willie's
our second nomination. We won last year, so that's a
second domination I got. I want to end me written
down on my mirror everywhere, but I wanted to, So
go vote at NAACP Image Awards dot net. Please it's
a little hard y'all got to do the work to
get to where we are, but don't do the work.
Please share it more accolades so she can get even
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more money. Even though he's already millionaire because we gotta
get her off this train now. Ex husbands and yeah, yes, yes,
I sure am Jesus, when is that up? Jeffrey still seventeen? Yes? Yes?
Are you counting down the days? I am count down
the days? So yes, So don't get off my Wallet's
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party on the show. Yeah we should now, I don't
want to poke a sleeping bear. They've been leaving me alone. Well,
it's Sherry Shepherd. It's the Breakfast Club. Thank you for
joining us so much, Thank y'all for having I ain't
having no y'all. It's the polyps. You had the polyps.
You need the polyps, and you had to clear the
polyps out. You see a lot to take exactly. It's
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