The Breakfast Club BEST OF - Zen - Erykah Badu, Stephanie Okafor, Devi Brown + More - The Breakfast Club

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
In Usa yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
Yo yo Jesse Hilarry as Semarinie.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
It's Thursday in today's show is all about exenting. So Charlamagne,
light up the poly santos.

Speaker 4 (00:17):
I do every morning and my candles. We have pray
and I meditate for file.

Speaker 5 (00:21):
We'll leave the house. That's right.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
When we have some special people joining us.

Speaker 6 (00:24):
Today.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
We have Debbie Brown.

Speaker 5 (00:25):
Come on, that's my good system.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Man.

Speaker 4 (00:27):
Make sure you subscribe to the Deeply Well podcast on
the Black Effect. iHeart radio podcast network. Man, that's my
family for over twenty well damn near twenty year.

Speaker 7 (00:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Also Stephanie okafor she'll be joining us.

Speaker 5 (00:36):
Love Stephanie.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
She is a prophet and when she was here, she
definitely spoke a word into us.

Speaker 5 (00:41):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
And also I'm not sure if you know this person.
Maybe many people might maybe maybe not. Erica Baddu she'll
be joining.

Speaker 5 (00:47):
Us as well. Come on down. See note, see you
talking about people that I love.

Speaker 4 (00:50):
You ain't talking about people that I just respecting like
you're talking about people that I love and worship that's right,
Luther Debbie Browns and Luther Eric Abod Duke.

Speaker 5 (00:58):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
We're gonna kick it with them and little bits and
don't go anywhere. As to the breakfast Tucable.

Speaker 7 (01:04):
Is your time to get it off your jask whether
you're mad or blass.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
So we got out of the same imagery.

Speaker 7 (01:08):
We want to hear from you on the breakfast clubs.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Hello, man, yo, what's good?

Speaker 5 (01:14):
Envious?

Speaker 4 (01:14):
Out of sight?

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Good morning? What's up? How you doing? Charlamagne?

Speaker 5 (01:17):
He's out of sight? You blind?

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah, I'm a blind brother. Man your I've been listening
to yours, to this your first came on the air.
I've been rocking out with your ever since twenty and
ten six.

Speaker 5 (01:29):
Thank you for fourteen years.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, you know, definitely it got me through a lot
of hard times, you know, listening to your but to
the topic of the morning though, with being blind and
dealing with you know, this insurance situation in the medical insurance.
I tell you something that's crazy. Independence is one of

(01:52):
the most important things to me is being independent. And
my insurance would rather pay somebody to come to my
house as a home health pay and spend all that
money to do that when I could just get a
simple device and put it on my glasses and be
able to be independent and move around freely.

Speaker 6 (02:10):
Right.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Wow, it's called it's called the ORCM my Eye Pro.
That's O r C A M my eye Pro. Right,
it's an arm, it's a it's a gadget that my
insurance won't pay for, but they'll pay more money to
have a stranger come in my house. You can't cook me,
I add. You know what I'm saying, my house and

(02:34):
mess up my food and everything that I that I
paid pay for my money for.

Speaker 7 (02:38):
Right.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
So you know I've been a little you listener to
your and I would love it if y'all will help
me get that device so I could be more independent
and move around more. You get hit me up podcast shadow.

Speaker 5 (02:51):
How much is the device?

Speaker 1 (02:52):
I don't know. It's like a couple of thousand dollars.
It's called the ORCM my Eye Pro r C A
M pro my ipro.

Speaker 5 (03:03):
We'll put your cash out about there.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Brother, it's dollar sign blind Faith one four four as
dollar sign blind Faith one four four and my my
my government name ends.

Speaker 5 (03:17):
With two Z.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
So you know it's me and I'm one fat You
see my video Baby Mama Salute. I came in and
showed you my video Baby Mama Salute. You was always
saying I couldn't wrap, so I kept getting better and
better because of you, Charlamine. So when I came up
with the baby Mama Salute video, a thousand people went
to check out the video. I like the rap and

(03:39):
I like to do showcases, not because I wanted to
be a famous rapper. I just love the music and
I love hip hop and I love power one oh five.

Speaker 5 (03:47):
That's what A go with.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
Yeah, I just contributed something to your h your iPhone glasses.

Speaker 5 (03:53):
What do you said?

Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah, I know what you meant.

Speaker 7 (03:55):
Yeah, all racan whatever it's called.

Speaker 5 (03:57):
Yes, the glass to help them see it ain't matter,
did think?

Speaker 6 (04:01):
So?

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Hello, who's this?

Speaker 8 (04:03):
Good morning people? We'll call them some Jersey. Let me
just start off by by just giving everybody flowers. Saw
off you envy. A lot of times you get overlooked there,
But what you did from miss Jones back in the day,
you caught the collar when things about to go go
left at the other down of Dows. You don't figure
it up, but she talks about it, and so your
kudos for that for being loyal to somebody that looked

(04:25):
out for you, you know, and you know she's local.
Her kid goes to BC, so she's out in there.
You probably see her, you know, on her regular basis.
I'm not sure, Jess. Congratulations on the kids. Just the
second going around and maybe some of the things that
you may have not necessarily took for granted but didn't
you just like totally get a chance to appreciate because

(04:45):
it was maybe a little bit overwhelming, but embraced it
all man, from the smell to the site, to the last,
to the giggle, to the poops and all of that
because you know, as you already know, it goes so fast,
and you know it's the moment in time, and those
two beside you, they can attest to it as well.
And even though they have more every situation and every kid,

(05:05):
there's something unique to it.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yeah, thank you, mister.

Speaker 8 (05:08):
Charlemagne's brother to you. And in our culture, the greatest
pivot of all time was probably Malcolm x Uh. He
went from one extreme together. Dick Gregory was another UH
that did a phenomenal pivot, going from being a commed
a crash comedian but then switching that into being like
an advocate, associate justice fighter, and so forth. Uh in

(05:32):
your trajectory seems like it's on that path. So salute
to you and keep up the good work, because you
back in the day you did have a lot of
jerk juice on your brother, but you kind of set
around and do a lot of the different things jerked
you pause.

Speaker 5 (05:49):
Pause, thank you, yes, thank you.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
Will get it off your chest eight hundred and five
eight five one five one.

Speaker 5 (05:56):
The breakfast Clug of morning, the Breakfast Club.

Speaker 9 (06:04):
What you're doing, call of yo.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
This is your time to get it off your chest,
whether you're mad or blessed. Eight hundred five one.

Speaker 7 (06:12):
We want to hear from you on the breakfast club.

Speaker 10 (06:15):
Hello.

Speaker 7 (06:15):
Who's this? Hey?

Speaker 11 (06:16):
This is your girl Bioncle from Atlanta back in the building.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
What's up, uncle?

Speaker 2 (06:22):
How you doing?

Speaker 11 (06:22):
Good morning, Good morning? Everybody is so good to hear
from y'all. I got two things to get off my chest,
all right. First thing the grand openings for Bankkad and Seafood,
presented by t I and Killer Mike. Everybody keep asking
me how was the food. Unfortunately I didn't get a
chance to try to fool but it was good to
see the two brothers coming out opening up their businesses

(06:45):
and having some opportunities for people like us in the community. Also,
I would like to shout out my non profits. It's
called Forever I Love the Atlanta. First stell if you
are and we help people in the inner city who
got pet family is anybody who would need assistant We
helped to get those low costs of free We do

(07:08):
a lot of free giveaways. We support a lot of
the at aliens like me who like reptiles and just
who like the animal life.

Speaker 8 (07:16):
I used to be an animal control officer, so this
is my.

Speaker 11 (07:19):
Way of giving back to the community. I'm looking to
link up with other people and connect and be able
to collab on some events. You can reach me at
Forever I Love Atlanta at gmail dot com and hit
me up on Facebook and Instagram.

Speaker 8 (07:33):
Thank y'all so much.

Speaker 5 (07:36):
Hello. Who's this?

Speaker 12 (07:37):
Hello to James, North Carolina.

Speaker 5 (07:39):
What's up off your chest?

Speaker 6 (07:41):
Yo?

Speaker 12 (07:42):
I would started to see if y'all had heard this story.
And this Florida dude some years that wanted to come
up with some money so he can get some concert tickets.
So he goes online saying he'll do anything to earn
some money. This guy hit him up and tells him
he wants to hire him to put off three of
his toes, couok him up and eat him, and he
give him four thousand dollars and the dude tries to

(08:05):
go through with it, but the guy that wanted his
toes up ended up going back on his word and
saying he can't go through with it, but he ended
up paying a dude anyway, y'all ain't never heard that story.

Speaker 5 (08:16):
I never heard that story.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
And there's nobody I want to see that bad to
cut off my fingers and toes. I mean, nah, I'm sorry.
I love home, I love knives, you know, I love Beyonce,
but I'm not cut off my toes on my fingers
to see anybody in concle.

Speaker 13 (08:32):
He wasn't the one that was going to get his
toes go off. He was gonna cut somebody else's toes
off and that person was gonna pay him.

Speaker 5 (08:38):
That's disgusting.

Speaker 12 (08:40):
Yeah, and the dude was black too.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
That sounds like an episode of a criminal mind.

Speaker 5 (08:45):
Absolutely, that's disgusting.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
But you have a good one and you need to
do you need to do different searches on your TikTok
and your Instagram. You searching for the wrong thing.

Speaker 13 (08:55):
No, man, this was one of a TV show. This
was one of the TV show. Oh it's Florida.

Speaker 6 (09:01):
Man.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Oh, now that explains it.

Speaker 5 (09:03):
It's Florida. Okay, definitely sounds like Florida.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
I have a good one, brother.

Speaker 5 (09:09):
It's the Breakfast Club.

Speaker 7 (09:10):
Good morning, the Breakfast Club.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Morning everybody. It's DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlomagne, the God.
We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest
in the village.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
That's right, this divine being having a human experience, master,
well being educator whom to keep going.

Speaker 6 (09:29):
Oh.

Speaker 5 (09:29):
She has many teaching certifications.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
She has many teaching certifications including meditation, breath work in
a child, healing, and spiritual psychology. She's an energy healer.
She hosting leads many spiritory treats a year. She teaches
in God's Deli Meditations on the Choper app. She advises
on well being. It teaches mindfulness for several corporations. She's
an author of a book called Crystal Bliss. And she
hosts a podcast on the Black Beck podcast network called

(09:52):
Dropping Gems.

Speaker 5 (09:53):
It's My Good Sense.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
And she has a four year old that is taller
than Charlamagne.

Speaker 12 (09:57):
That is a fact.

Speaker 4 (09:58):
Jebbie Brown, So are we talking about? The question is
a big little boy in fact? Yes, welcome, good morning,
good morning.

Speaker 7 (10:10):
How are you, Debbie?

Speaker 14 (10:12):
I'm incredible. This moment in time is a lot, but
it's also there's magic in it for all of us.

Speaker 5 (10:18):
People that say, what are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (10:20):
Debbie does monkey pox? There is cold, and we had
a recession interest rate at an all time high, but
you still find the positive out of it.

Speaker 14 (10:28):
Life is both the human experience. We're always oscillating between
these two ends of the spectrum, joy and grief. The
viewpoint I have of it, and something I really had
to come into in the pandemic was the moments that
feel like joy. I have to let myself feel all
of it because life is hard.

Speaker 15 (10:47):
There are times when people feel guilty too, because they
may be experiencing a lot of positivity, but there's so
much going on around you that you don't feel like
you can even celebrate that.

Speaker 14 (10:58):
Yeah, and I think it's important to because that's what
allows us to sustain. The thing we've all gotten so
wrong about the human experience is like everyone thinks that
the goal is always supreme happiness, and that if it's
not that, then those are the periods of your life
you don't really sit with or look at or talk about.
But we need the grief, we need the pain just
as much as we need everything else. So you know,

(11:20):
even in the midst of the moment of time we're
having now where everything is crazy, I wake up every
day and I'm just like, but how can I fuel
my fire? How can I keep that internal oven inside
of me just constantly going for myself, from my life,
from my child.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
Can we go back to to like almost the beginning, right,
Because when you think of DeBie deav a lot of
us probably know deVie Dad from radio. I met you
at kDa in La in like seven, and you know
you on Sway Show. But it's like you've always been
this spiritually connected person. When do you like first remember that,

(11:56):
like connection to a high above.

Speaker 14 (11:58):
So many things play into that. I think by nature,
I'm an only child raised by a single parent, which
is a certain kind of experience that kind of keeps
you in your.

Speaker 6 (12:07):
Head a lot.

Speaker 14 (12:08):
So I think that was a piece of it. But
I've always just been fascinated by transformation of any kind,
Like I was definitely reading self help books. As a
little girl, I was just so interested in what made
people themselves but also what kept people from becoming themselves.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Now, one time you decided to give this all up. Right,
you were very successful doing radio. You were in Houston,
they were talking about syndication, you were talking about moving.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
Back to la and then you said you were one
of the best radio personality in the country. I mean,
it's still one of the best personalities period, but you
were on the radio as one of the best personalities
in the country.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
And then you said I'm done with this. Well what
made you say, you know what, I don't want to
do this anymore.

Speaker 5 (12:48):
What was the like you said.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
That, why are you clinching yourself like that?

Speaker 7 (12:55):
You need to hear this this morning?

Speaker 14 (12:57):
You know, it was a couple of things. I think
The amazing thing about the show that y'all do is
you guys have established something so rare and different than
has ever been I think in broadcasting. And you guys
get to show up as your full selves at work.
You get to have the conversations that matter to you.
Where I was when I was doing radio that had
started becoming so closed off. You know, at one point

(13:20):
when I was working in radio, I was able to
have meaningful conversations like I went viral with Kanye, went
viral with Kendrick talking about mental health, and then you know,
the powers that be, they just say talk less. You
know where I used to have a talk break where
I could really connect it like do that in eleven seconds.
I just felt like I wasn't able to use this

(13:41):
gift of communication at the level that God really commanded
of me, at the level that felt fulfilling to me.
I wanted to have more adventure. Like at that point,
I knew spirituality was the leading leading journey amission from
my life, and so I just said, I have to
invest everything about myself into that.

Speaker 5 (14:00):
I remember you telling me that, you know, years ago.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
He was just like, in a therapy is great, and
I'm glad you're in therapy, but you need more than
just therapy to transform your life, Like what exactly does
that look like?

Speaker 14 (14:10):
So even with therapy, there's so many different kinds of therapy,
and I think a lot of people, especially now because
we're just so new to all of this, everyone goes
to cognitive therapy, which is kind of like the standard
talk therapy for some people that is actually not the
best option. Depending on what you are coming to the
table with, you may need somatic therapy, you may need

(14:31):
all these different styles. But the piece about therapy is
it keeps you in your head. It helps you understand
yourself and the things that have happened, and it gives
you the language to talk about it. But it doesn't
always give you the opportunity to live this new knowing.
At that point, it can be really powerful to invite

(14:53):
in like spiritual practice or a self care practice, so
that you are applying acceptance to yourself, applying loving to yourself.
You know, it's one thing to know everything, but to
know everything and still love yourself, To know everything and
come into compassion for the people that have harmed you,
it takes many different processes.

Speaker 15 (15:14):
I want to talk about your prime Shewed sessions. Yes, yeah,
Draymond Green on now in particular, so you're talking about
the mental well being and also being able to focus.
Right with Draymond Green, Why in particular do you think
athletes need to focus on something like this and how
do you think it helped them?

Speaker 14 (15:32):
What I think is so important about that not just
from the athletic lens, but from the masculinity lens, like,
I think this is really a moment of divine masculinity,
of men's transformative healing, of men's kind of awakening.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
How receptive was he to this active like?

Speaker 14 (15:49):
So receptive he came in and it was just a
joy and a privilege to work with Draymond because he
is so smart, so self aware already. And he came
in saying and if you watch the show, Deepak asked him,
you know, where are you at on an emotional level
from you know, one to ten? And I think he
said he was a four and then Deepak said, well

(16:10):
then you're suffering. And you know, he came into the
experience like, Okay, how does this work?

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Tell me?

Speaker 14 (16:16):
X Y and Z. By the later part of our
sessions when we were meeting, he was like, Okay, so
I've read this book. I've read this book. I've read
this book. I understand it like this, and he was
just really ready to feel things that maybe he hadn't
felt before.

Speaker 4 (16:29):
Oh, I want to get back to the sessions on Amazon,
but I want to talk about the connection with Deepop
because i'd call you tupac choke, right, and so to
see you and deepok, actually working together now was like
surreal in a lot of ways.

Speaker 5 (16:41):
How did that connection happen?

Speaker 6 (16:42):
Oh my god.

Speaker 14 (16:43):
So it really started where I was burned out. I
was working in radio. Like we talked about, I was
in my twenties and I ended up getting shingles, which
is highly painful for anybody that's had it, but it's
also specifically something you don't get to like your seventies
and your eighties. I had it in my twenties, and
so this was like, you know, ten years ago, and

(17:05):
I went online and I just typed in like detox
help retreat something, and the first thing that popped up
was a photo of Deepak and it was for his
health center. And so I ended up going on a
ten day detox retreat and it changed everything about my life.
And I ended up doing so many of the programs
that Choprah offered, which eventually led me to do their

(17:27):
teacher training program and get certified in meditation. And so
our relationship was really just growing and building, and when
Chopra Global launched about two years ago, I ended up
coming on board as their Chief Impact Officer and meeting
some of their initiatives.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
AHI we got more with deVie Brown when we come back,
so it don't ove it's the Breakfast Club.

Speaker 7 (17:46):
Good Morning, the Breakfast Club.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
Morning. Everybody is DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlamage the guy
we are the Breakfast Club was still kicking it with
Debbie Brown.

Speaker 5 (18:00):
There's other ways to create healthy boundaries.

Speaker 14 (18:02):
The first part is you have to become really aware
of yourself and who you are. I think a lot
of this boundary conversation tends to tilt into using boundaries
as more of a wall when I hear people talk
about boundaries, even on social media, I think we have
to really upgrade our understanding of why we don't have
them to begin with. You know, it's like everyone's like, no,

(18:23):
I'm going to have boundaries, and anybody that doesn't have
my boundaries like you're cut out of my life. And
people don't want to respect your boundaries, and there's such
this like harsh judgmental view. And the thing is the
people in our lives that are trying to climb over
them don't understand what they are either, which is why
they don't even apply them to their own selves. So
I think on the journey of finding boundaries, we always

(18:46):
have to try to steep it in overall compassion and
non judgment. A lot of us are doing things for
the very first time. A lot of us have just
heard about boundaries for the very first time. And very often,
if you don't have boundaries already, it's because different things
happened in your life that led you to kind of
disregard yourself in certain ways or not think that you

(19:07):
have the right or the worth to choose yourself.

Speaker 4 (19:10):
First, are you born with boundaries and then they get
torn down at some point?

Speaker 5 (19:14):
We never have them and we have to learn how
to build them.

Speaker 14 (19:18):
One of the reasons that I most often work with
and see in our childhood, certain things have to happen
for us to become the best version of our adult self.
There has to be certain kinds of role modeling in
place of behavior. There has to be role modeling of care,
of understanding, of listening of language. If we have experienced

(19:38):
certain emotional neglect or traumas Big t R. Little Tea,
it affects the way your core identity is established. Your
core identity is established in childhood. That is the peace
of you. That isn't the roles you play, but it's
the piece of you that thinks that you're worthy, that
thinks that you have rights, that knows that your emotional

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life matters. If you're not given that opportunity to grow
that in a safe way, you don't know how to
set boundaries because you don't understand yourself your own needs,
You don't understand what you require.

Speaker 15 (20:12):
And sometimes things bad happen to you or people burn you,
and then you're like, okay, moving forward.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
This is how I have to move.

Speaker 14 (20:18):
Absolutely, And I think when that stuff happens in our
adult life, even still, it usually comes down to an
original wound that happened in childhood. There was something in
the dynamic with the child and the caregiver or whatever
adults may have been present, where their needs were not
looked at, and you maybe had to please the person
that was caretaking for you to get what you needed.

(20:40):
And so then in your adult life you find yourself
repeating those patterns in so many different ways, and friendships
and relationships and the jobs that you choose and the
way that you're dynamic with your boss and your coworkers
is like it permeates everything about your life. There is
nothing more important than childhood.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
So how do you base your circle there? Because there's
going to be some people that are into the things
that you're into, some people that don't care about it,
some people that don't believe. So how do you keep
your circle? Do you keep those people that are not
in your circle? Or do you set up those boundaries?
But it's like, all right, well, if you're not believed,
I'll wait for you to be a believer to be
in a circle. So but how do you go about
your your normal day.

Speaker 14 (21:16):
I don't think people have to be believers, Like, I'm
not looking to convince anyone, and I'm okay if we
are not aligned in our beliefs, but I have to
prioritize what is actually nurturing my own life first. I
would say this, all of us hold on to too
many people for too long. There's not really the room

(21:39):
for that. And so over the last two years, like
I've massively shed in my life, and some of them
were highly intentional, like friendships that were misaligned because of character,
because of integrity, because of choices.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
How are those conversations like, so, let's say there is
somebody you're clicking, need to have a conversation, Yeah, because
they're not following the same journey that you're following, you
just don't want them around, honestly, So how do you
have those pusiesses?

Speaker 14 (22:03):
So if you're me, you just have them. I'm not
taking other people's misdirected emotions personally, So if someone is
upset in our conversation, that's not going to rock me.
And I'm also not going to take on a lot
of guilt about it. I trust that my choices are
made in integrity. But you know, you have to be direct,
but you also have to know yourself to be direct

(22:24):
in a way that it's actually healing and beneficial, not
you know when people use that term brutally honest or
I keep it real. Real is relative. You're real is
based on your life experience, and it could be completely
fraudulent to someone else based on how they recognize real.
So I think there has to be a certain amount
of self awareness in yourself before you have that conversation,

(22:46):
and it's important to come into a space, if possible,
of more neutrality so that you can walk away from
something with lasting peace.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
So as a friend, let's say make the camera guide.
Let's say do you guide him first of what you
think of being a friend, Like, Hey, Nick, I think
that you're doing this too much. I think you need
to fall back and look at this or is it
one of those things like, bro, you're not going in
my direction, I gotta go.

Speaker 14 (23:09):
When I started noticing that some friendships felt misaligned or
non reciprocal in the ways that were important to me,
I just made a mental note and I told myself
that I was going to slowly observe it. So you
could do that in a way of saying I'm going
to give somebody three strikes or three chances. But I
just started slowly observing and still interacting with the person.

(23:29):
How the flow of our relationship was, how often did
we talk, Were they able to show up for me?
Was I showing up for them? And I just watched
it over the course of the year. So I started
just observing people from afar, noticing things, keeping mental notes,
and then I really prayed about it. I said prayers,
I set intentions around it. Lead me to the aligned

(23:50):
friendships and partnerships allow me to remove with ease any
friendships or connections that are not serving or misaligned. That
was done, and I started really saying, Okay, yeah, that's
not a fit. I just called people up directly, and
I was like, Hey, I want to talk to you
about our friendship. I want to talk about our relationship.
And I said, I just want to let you know.

(24:11):
I don't have a lot of judgment around you or this,
but I need to share how I'm feeling. I usually
had supporting examples of you know, this experience happened, this
is the way it made me feel. What are your
thoughts on that. Some people in my life said, thank
you so much for telling me this. I felt something

(24:31):
changing between us. I never saw that. I didn't even
notice I was doing that. But you're absolutely right. I'm
sorry we were able to rebuild some people. It's just
like okay, I the show, you know, or f you like, okay,
but da da da da da da da. So I
think walking into setting boundaries, walking into shedding people, you

(24:52):
have to also walk in with a confidence of it's
okay if I lose them, it's okay if they don't understand,
and it's also okay if they blame me. None of
that has anything to do with me.

Speaker 5 (25:03):
You know, you know, I thank God for you daily.
I tell you this all the time.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
But it's just like our relationship, it's never been a
time we didn't share information. It's never been a time
we didn't have, you know, deep conversation. It's just like
things evolved and went from Yo charlatvie listening to this
nippsey hustle bullets ain't got no name arguing about Kendrick Lamar.

Speaker 5 (25:21):
You know what I mean to.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
Read deepaktrop or seven spiritual success, Like it just seemed
effortless the whole time.

Speaker 5 (25:28):
Yeah, And is that what you should look for?

Speaker 14 (25:30):
I guess absolutely, Like and I love us as a
case study of that, because we've been friends for now
like fifteen years, and we've seen each other at so
many junctures of the journey. But what we always had
was non judgment. We always had an openness, We always
had an ability to talk things through. And I think
you don't want to just hold on to people because

(25:50):
of a length of time or this like false sense
of loyalty which no one actually has a real definition
for that word, like changes with everyone. You have to
really look at, like what is kind of doing life
with a friend? Can we go six months without talking
because we're both in a different place and then come
back together. I think we should be allowed to But yeah,

(26:11):
being able to kind of just evolve as equals at
every step is what I look for in friendship. And
I'm also okay with things not having to be that deep.
There's some people in my life. I trust them to
be themselves and I show up as myself and I
give them what they can handle of me.

Speaker 7 (26:28):
You don't pray about me every day.

Speaker 14 (26:29):
You I was like, what is envy thinking?

Speaker 5 (26:31):
Over there? I do thank God for you. You, thank
God for this whole situation. This situation we change our life.

Speaker 7 (26:36):
We're openness with deep.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
I just want to know why you never told me that.

Speaker 7 (26:41):
He don't say it.

Speaker 5 (26:50):
Let me see what the blood is. I hear womb talking.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
We got more with Debbie Brown when we come back,
So it don't ove. It's the breakfast Club.

Speaker 7 (26:56):
Good morning boning everybody.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
You seej the Envy Angela Yee Charalamage, the guy we
are the Breakfast Club was still kicking it with deVie Brown.

Speaker 5 (27:06):
Chal.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
Now, let's talk about how a person can build a
daily self care like spiritual practice routine just start healing
and changing their life.

Speaker 5 (27:15):
How does a person do that?

Speaker 14 (27:16):
Oh, this is the most important thing. So you have
to make it sustainable, so that it's actually becomes your
lived experience and not just something you speak but are
not acting or living. And so what you want to
do when you're building a practice, first, identify how much
time you have. I know a lot of people work
really hard and have a lot of responsibilities. So even

(27:38):
if only five minutes is possible, please try to gift
yourself with this. But if you can be more expansive
and spend thirty minutes, spend an hour, that could be
really powerful. What you want to do is you want
to build your daily practice around the four pillars of wholeness,
which is mental, physical, emotional, and spiritual. You want to
find something to do every day that falls in one

(27:58):
of those categories. For mental, that could look like journaling,
that could be wow. I noticed that I keep thinking
about this one thought every day. It helps to build
or re establish your intuition, which is also something that
a lot of people lack because they so often go
against what their gut tells them to do. That's the
mental category. Looking at the emotional category, that could be

(28:21):
meditation every day really coming into a space of knowing
how to be with yourself, how to meet yourself, how
to remember all of who you truly are outside of
the roles that we play in life, outside of the
things that have happened to us. You look at physical
for some that's a workout, but that could also look
like a daily stretch practice, that could look like yoga,

(28:41):
that could look like remembering to massage your own shoulders
at the end of the night because you're aching and
you deserve your own touch. And then if we look
at the spiritual category, that could really look like affirmations
every day speaking life over yourself, and let's take it
a step deeper than some of the ones of like
I am abundant or I am love or I am strong,

(29:02):
really call forward what you want to embody. You know,
one of my first affirmations and my healing journey was
I'm a precious child of God, leading from my heart's center,
working in mastery of my being. Saying that over myself
every day changed me. So doing something every day that
supports who you are and who you're becoming and who

(29:26):
you have become is essential. It also teaches you emotional regulation,
which means that every day you can go into the
world as your true self and not as the version
of you that's constantly reacting to things.

Speaker 5 (29:38):
What does self acceptance look like?

Speaker 14 (29:41):
Deep surrender and deep trust. To accept yourself means that
you are aware of all that you are, including the
things that may be a little bit unfinished or the
things that you may have judged, but to know that
it all serves purpose. To have acceptance is to also
have this trust that I may not like everything that's

(30:02):
happening right now or that has happened to me, but
I do understand and trust that it is serving a
purpose I don't yet know, and so I am an
acceptance of what currently is doesn't mean you don't want
it to change, doesn't mean it doesn't have the potential
to change.

Speaker 4 (30:18):
Is that the first step to beginning to love yourself?
How do you begin to love yourself?

Speaker 14 (30:23):
I think they're kind of both happening at the same time,
but I will say, you know, to love yourself, it's
a constantly evolving process. But I think it does require
that daily practice that I talked about. Loving yourself can't
be related to how really you look, how other people
are validating you or not, how they're treating you. It
has to be like I exist, and that's enough, and

(30:46):
that alone is worthy of love.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
The action I want to ask is, like, you know,
I know we have a lot of people listening right now.
They might have seen the sessions they you know, probably
listen to dropping gems. I want to do like a
mindfulness minute, Like what's what's a breathing exercise? Is something
that we could do to like just ground people right
now in this moment.

Speaker 14 (31:05):
I would love to are you guys all going to
do with me?

Speaker 6 (31:07):
Sure? Okay? I want to ask.

Speaker 14 (31:10):
Everybody right now listening connecting to the sound in my voice,
come into a relaxed state with your body. And I
want to invite you to gently close your eyes, let
your spine feel straight and support it. Release any tension
that maybe in your shoulders, maybe turn your palms upward
into a state of receiving. Unclench your job there's any

(31:33):
pressure present, and now let yourself just stretch your neck
a little bit from side to side. And now let's
connect to our breath. First, begin to notice how your
natural breath is feeling in your body. And now I
want to invite you to take your right hand and
place it over your chest, right at your heart center.

(31:54):
And now just notice what that pressure of your hand
feels like. Now we're going to begin some deep breathing
through her noses. We're going to do some big inhales
through her nose and then out of our nose, and
we'll do this three times together. And what we're looking
to do is take a big deep inhale, slowly fully,

(32:18):
starting now filling your chest and really stretch, take it
a little more air, and then hold the air at
the top once it's in. And now as we breathe
out of our nose, I want you to do it
slowly and fully, and now we'll begin that breath again
and through your nose, let your chest expand your heart open,

(32:43):
hold it and release. And now begin again.

Speaker 6 (32:50):
In through your nose.

Speaker 14 (32:53):
And hold it and release that breath, and it'll turn
a right. Now, silently to yourself, I'd like you to repeat,
I am calling forward my highest self, and I want
you to think about something currently present in your life.
It could be perceived as good as challenging, but something

(33:17):
that you've really been chewing on lately, some dynamic maybe
in your life or relationship, or something you're excited about.
And I would just want you to hold that seed
in your mind's eye, and I want you to think
about any nourishing or evolutionary choices or lens of perceptions

(33:37):
that you can shift to around whatever this morsel is
that you're chewing on. Is it about surrendering, is it
about an action step, or is it just an observation
something that can be released. I want you to think
of an intention around it. And maybe it is my
intention is to release this, or my intention is to

(34:01):
really feel all of this, or my intention is to
manifest this and silently within your own hearts to yourselves.
I want you to state that intention my intention is.
And now we're going to do a cleansing lion's breath,
which is going to be deep in hell through your nose,

(34:23):
and then it'll be followed out by signing it out
through your mouth with your tongue out and it'll sound
a little like this. So we'll begin our in hell
now through our noses and release through your mouth, and

(34:45):
now shake out your hand that was on your heart,
allow it to drop back down to the tops of
your thighs, and as you feel ready, gently open your eyes.

Speaker 5 (34:56):
How can I want to sleep this night?

Speaker 14 (34:59):
And you know that experience that we just did, and
everyone could start and end their day like that it
probably spent maybe a minute there. That is a daily practice.
What we just did that was breathwork. So that's an
experience that you can invite into your life to regulate
your nervousness. Yes, because what was happening internally as we
did that was our body was able to come into

(35:21):
the present moment. If you're under deep stress or you
have had trauma, you don't feel present in your body.
And so to just be able to settle into yourself
and then to give yourself that nourishing breath that resets
your emotional center. It changes what's possible.

Speaker 6 (35:40):
The thing about.

Speaker 14 (35:41):
Trauma, depression, stress, anxiety, it limits what's possible in your
life because it limits the choices you make and how
you view yourself.

Speaker 5 (35:50):
Well, thank you so much, Debbie for to follow you.

Speaker 14 (35:55):
Dev hev me on Instagram at Debbie Brown, my website
Debbie Brown and on Amazon on Prime Video watch The Sessions.
It is an incredible, incredible documentary by Religion of Sports, myself,
Deepak Chopra and NBA superstar Draymond Green.

Speaker 4 (36:11):
And pick up Debbie Brown's book, Crystal Bliss. Devil was
talking about crystals way before everybody else was that book
dropped in with twenty fourteen. Yeah, and make sure you
subscribed to Debbie's podcast dropping Gyms on the Black Effect
podcast network. It's so many you know, high level conscious
conversations on that podcast, So make sure you subscribed to
that Black Effects.

Speaker 7 (36:32):
Well, Breakfast Club, it's Debbie Rapp the Breakfast.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
Club Morning Everybody. It's DJ Envy Jess, Hilarious, Charlamage the
guy we are the Breakfast Club Jess. It's on maternity leave,
so Laura LaRosa is filling in and we got a
special guest in the building, the Icon Living. Yes, missus Erica,
welcome back.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Peace, Peace, peace.

Speaker 5 (36:54):
How are you feeling?

Speaker 6 (36:54):
Exclisit there?

Speaker 5 (36:55):
You going off right?

Speaker 4 (36:56):
Congratulations on receiving the cf DA Fashion Icon Awards.

Speaker 14 (37:01):
Oh, thank you very very much.

Speaker 4 (37:02):
I have no idea what that means, but I feel
like you deserve all the awards.

Speaker 6 (37:06):
Congratch they say, I found out it's the Oscar of fashion. Really,
so that that award means a lot to people in
the fashion industry and to us as artists as well,
you know, creators who are love as well trying to
you know, evolve our culture, you know, So that means
a lot to be recognized.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
It's always fore like you had an effortless style. Do
you really put a lot of thought into how you
how you drive?

Speaker 6 (37:30):
Sometimes?

Speaker 5 (37:31):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (37:31):
You know, sometimes I do, and sometimes it's just grace.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
Now, you said that during your speech that this was
an award that you wanted for a long time. Was
that true that long after?

Speaker 6 (37:41):
Since? You know, I didn't even know that you could
get an award for that, but just wanted to be
recognized for the canvas that I create when I go out.
It's really important to me. It's my therapy. You know,
I can't leave without half of mine, like I said,
and the speak together, it was just something that came

(38:01):
with my head. You know, it's a nagging thing, and
sometimes when I don't try really hard, it sometimes gracefully
comes together. I guess maybe because of my attention, the
fashion gods gave me the keys out here in these streets.

Speaker 9 (38:14):
You talked about your best friend who accompanied you to
the award, and afraid of him introducing you to a
lot of the fashion houses and stuff like that. Were
fashion houses always like open and like rushing to support
you in all of your creative ideas or did you
have to was there a fight, because a lot of
artists talk about it being a fight trying to get
into the couture houses.

Speaker 6 (38:32):
You know, I was out since nineteen ninety seven, and
social media was really the opening to a lot of
these relationships because they could now directly get to the
artists where they probably didn't know how to get to
the ones that they wanted to feature before. The first
person that reached out to me was Tom Ford. Tom

(38:52):
Ford wanted to do a perfume at White Petruli, which
was this natural incense labor for years. This was two
thousand and two two. Yeah. So that's Tom Ford and
some Fords from Texas as well. So we kind of
formed of a bond. I guess as I evolved my

(39:12):
style other uh uh houses or artists, cause it's really
the creative director. Yeah, it's the person. He is the
He is the house at the time because his vision
is trusted most. And they started, you know, kind of
paying attention to you know, the good, the guardiness or
the freedness or the hoobo sheetness. It it's been called
all kinds of things. Next words, Roberto Teach sheet m

(39:35):
I mean he was uh the creetive director of J
and she at the time, and that was my first
booll campaign and he let me co style with him
put things together. And I think it just after that
I was kind of, you know, I was on the
radar or for a certain thing. Definitely the page to
go to if you want to know what's.

Speaker 9 (39:54):
Next, And how do you pick, Like the other day
at the CFDA Wards, you're in Tom Brown, how do
you pick designers? In which houses now you want to
work with? Because I'm sure they're all banging. You can
do what you want now.

Speaker 6 (40:05):
Right And I picked Tom specifically for this event because
he's the chairman of the event, yes, and he's he's
also a very very good friend of life and his
art is just so amazing. So I thought, since I
was being honored, I would also honor him by wearing
one of his pieces. And I chose one from Runway,

(40:25):
a really beautiful architectural shape, real pretty, and I said,
but I need something futuristic ancient to go on top.
And I saw this AI. I think he saw this
post this morning. I'm not sure, but I saw this
AI rendering of this this head piece, and I reached
out to the person and I told him, this is

(40:45):
really beautiful I would love to challenge a designer to
bring this to life in the five D world or
D world. He said, okay.

Speaker 14 (40:53):
So I called a.

Speaker 6 (40:54):
Friend, Chris Habana, who does a lot of crafting, amazing jeweler,
and he's said yes, And he had three days and
he pulled the team together and they did some three
D printing to try to really, it's amazing, it's amazing.

Speaker 5 (41:09):
Do you remember where you were at when you got
the call that you was getting the c FDA.

Speaker 6 (41:13):
I was at home and my agency forwarded me the email.
I was like, wow, okay, that's good stuff, that's good.

Speaker 5 (41:20):
Did you know what you was going with? Did you
see that vision?

Speaker 6 (41:23):
Absolutely not? Okay, absolutely not. This thing was three weeks away.
I know I was gonna wear it tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
You've done capsules before with people and collaborated. You ever
thought about doing your whole line, like a full clothing
line from America bad from Ruda to Tutor and everything
in between, And.

Speaker 6 (41:41):
I have thought about that. I had a chance to
practice that with Marnie and Francesco Riso. We did a
collapse Marnie and Badu last year. A lot of things
happened for me in fashion last year, right, you know
there was the last two years. It was my first
fashion week, so that's when I really started to catch

(42:04):
the bug and I met Francesco because we went to
the met ball together and we drew up some things
and talked about some things and had a capsule line
that came out and these leads are part of it.

Speaker 9 (42:19):
The collab was everywhere. It was what yes, everybody was
in y'all collab in Marnie. That was your first fashion week? Yes,
like you attending or like what do you mean by that?

Speaker 6 (42:28):
Yeah? It was my first fashion week in twenty twenty three.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Yeah, wow, and that was so during that time. That
collab is No.

Speaker 6 (42:36):
Twenty two?

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Is that collab? The collab when you got to work
with your daughter of Puma two with Marnie or was it?

Speaker 5 (42:42):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Okay, yes? And how did that feel?

Speaker 9 (42:45):
Because it's like, okay, we see lebron and Bronnie on
the court and their like you know, but like this
is your lane and now your daughter is coming into
it and you all are working with a fashion house.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
How did you feel just doing that with her?

Speaker 6 (42:55):
Oh? It was surreal. It was a dream, you know,
because of Puma, such an individual person that I didn't
know what direction she wanted to go in, and I
still don't. You know, she's she's twenty, so she's kind
of finding her way. And sometimes when your kid is
an artist, they don't want to follow your shadow. Yeah,

(43:16):
they want to find their own thing. But she was
cool with supporting me and standing beside me, and she
was like, Mom, I don't care. Yes, this is for you.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
So would you do your own line? Do you want
to do your line or that's not something that's in
your posture right now?

Speaker 6 (43:30):
Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (43:31):
Would you have the time for it?

Speaker 6 (43:33):
Oh? Yeah, I would make time.

Speaker 9 (43:34):
I saw online you were doing some interviews just after
their words, and you were in some Jordan's. Yes were
though that was a Jordan Virgil clab. No, okay, it
was because they were saying it was like an unreleased.

Speaker 6 (43:46):
It was an unreleased one, but it wasn't Virgil. It
was shoe surging.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Gotch you okay?

Speaker 6 (43:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (43:53):
People just give you like how do Yeah?

Speaker 6 (43:55):
They're doing.

Speaker 9 (43:56):
People online was going crazy over the colab. They were
trying to figure out where, like how you even got
the shoes?

Speaker 6 (44:03):
Showed up at my door? Yo? I was like yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Was like yo, all my fashion block page out.

Speaker 6 (44:12):
Yes, shoot, y'all zoomed in on.

Speaker 9 (44:14):
I zoomed in because I'm like, I don't even see
any of virgils, Like, you know he has anything he does,
you know it's him.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
I'm like, I don't seen none of that.

Speaker 5 (44:21):
She's sarved to get busy.

Speaker 6 (44:22):
Yeah, yeah, maybe I'm not gonna say nothing about it,
nothing but what we will tell y'all another time when
the news come out.

Speaker 5 (44:32):
That's right, you feel about that.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
We have more with Erica bat do when we come back.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
Don't move.

Speaker 5 (44:36):
It's the Breakfast Club, Good Morning Burning.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
Everybody is DJ env Jess Hilarius, Charlamage the guy. We
are the Breakfast Club long A Rosa feeling in for
Jess and was still kicking it with Erica Baddo Charlam.

Speaker 4 (44:47):
Now, you've always been an artist that's sensitive about You
told that a long time ago. But you said in
your speech at c fd A that is scary being
an artist in the social media era.

Speaker 5 (44:56):
So how is social media made that critique worse?

Speaker 6 (44:59):
I guess yeah, it is scary. I mean I've heard
my own kids be afraid to express and share their art.
Eric Abadu, kid is scared to share their art and
express themselves because the audience is so vicious at this point,
and they have such a huge appetite for blood, and
they want people to be disciplined and humbled and punished

(45:23):
for their success. Almost it's what it seems like. So
that's why, you know, a lot of kids are afraid
to share their work or share their art, or feel
like they have to come at it with some kind
of armor on. And that armor doesn't allow for the
art to truly express itself, in my opinion, so it's

(45:45):
a scary time for art. We didn't have to do that.
We didn't have to deal with that. You heard the
few little comments and things, but those weren't strong enough
to penetrate a strong person. But these things are now
because when people come in here in numbers. We've talked
about group thinks so many times. It was a prediction

(46:06):
that I made with the Windows Seed in twenty ten
a group thing would overshadow art, and it is right
now because people can, people can. I think it's very
smart to get at the channels instead of getting at
the the the bloggers and the people. We see artists
penalizing the channels themselves, and I think that's the smart thing,

(46:30):
because that's what has to change. If that doesn't, if
there's no place to do that then and it won't
be done.

Speaker 5 (46:36):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Does that make you hesitant to release music?

Speaker 6 (46:39):
No, not me.

Speaker 5 (46:40):
You haven't dropped in fourteen years.

Speaker 6 (46:42):
Fourteen years, it's been some time.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
Fifteen I can make you put your phone down.

Speaker 6 (46:49):
Yeah, twenty fifteen, let's take okay, the ten years.

Speaker 16 (46:55):
But the album, well, well, one reason I don't have
to is because I am a performance artist and I've
been doing that constantly for the last thirty years, eight
years out, eight months out.

Speaker 6 (47:11):
Of the year, all year round, I do. So that's
what I love to do. Only put out albums when
I have something to say, like you have something, yeah,
something pressing to say or push out. But I have
more than enough space to get my art out on stage,
so it's not totally necessary to put out album For me.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
Yeah, I would just love to see the like the
Division of God has shown you, because like, if you
look at your catalog right your catalog literally has predicted
where we are now. So I can only imagine the
stuff you're creating right now. How far into the future
you seeing things?

Speaker 6 (47:49):
Me too, I mean, I'm writing right now. I got
a project coming.

Speaker 5 (47:52):
Out soon, a full album.

Speaker 6 (47:54):
Yeah wow, but I can't tell y'all about it. How
soon to be, Biden?

Speaker 5 (48:02):
I just got got goosebump? So how soon?

Speaker 6 (48:05):
It's gonna be soon?

Speaker 3 (48:06):
Soon, like by the end of the year soon or
next year soon.

Speaker 6 (48:09):
See, it's an important one. It's a collab album.

Speaker 5 (48:13):
Oh you're another artist.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
You're not gonna say, who are you?

Speaker 2 (48:17):
You can hundred three thousand a rap again?

Speaker 6 (48:18):
He's a guy that's okay, So yeah, wow, do I
think you're a rap again?

Speaker 9 (48:23):
I'll say, is this gonna be the collab album that
gets in the rap again? And also you can answer
do you think he'll rap again?

Speaker 6 (48:27):
And and why would you say is this gonna be
the collab album? Because you're assuming that it's him. Yeah,
I'm asking you can assume whatever you want. But I
don't know. I don't know. I don't think he has to.
He's speaking with that instrument. It's the same thing. It missed,
the same kind of thing. Yeah. The way he make

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us feeling with bombs over back Dad is the way
he makes people who are ready for that feel. It's
the same thing. It's his energy, it's his air. When
I feel it. That's the rap to me. He wrapping
to me, that's true.

Speaker 4 (49:04):
I can see what y'all are twin flames too. Because
he was on stage and it was one part of
the show. He just started going making all kinds of
noises and the crowd was answering him back, and then
he goes, I wasn't saying, he.

Speaker 9 (49:17):
Presented you with your c FDA fashion that kind of word. Yeah,
on the way that, like, I know you, you reached
out to him to have him present to you, and
you guys had a conversation.

Speaker 6 (49:26):
He was saying, I did.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Well.

Speaker 6 (49:29):
It was a kind of tricky thing. I actually reached
out to Tianna Taylor because I think she's next. Wow, Yeah,
I think she's I think she has a really good
grasp for on art, in fashion, functional art. I'm really
impressed and inspired by. But I asked her. I'd asked
andre before but he didn't respond, And then they came

(49:54):
back and totally after I asked Tianna that Andreas said yes,
and I had to figure out how to you know,
maneuver that. Yeah, you know, because that meant a lot
to her. Oh yes, I want to tell her I
love you so very much, and I'm so happy that
we're a friends, and I hope that that did not
bring a wedge between us in any way. But that's

(50:14):
hundred eighty thousand girl and your best friend.

Speaker 5 (50:17):
You got to talk to people. You gotta talk through
people to get to him. No, oh, you just said
they came my sister Okay told me that he was
found you.

Speaker 6 (50:24):
No, No, well sometimes, yeah, it depends you know how
busy he is. Yeah, I'll follow proper protocol.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
Yeah, I said, artist, when did you realize that you
didn't get You said, You're gonna do what you want
to do. You're gonna put out what you want to
put out. You don't necessarily have to fit in the
box of every artist. You don't have to follow the
platform and say this is it, take a leave it.
When did you get to that.

Speaker 6 (50:48):
Point in the contract negotiation in nineteen ninety seven, ninety five?
Oh no, I mean I didn't have to do it,
you know, and they didn't have to you know. I
figured it was a partnership and I was doing the
record label of Favor. I knew who I was, I
knew what I was getting ready to do. I had
a mission and nothing was going to infiltrate it, not

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even my own fearing doubts. And I'm still on mission.
Best work is still in me and I have not
accomplished whatever that is yet, because there's still this feeling
of use and greenness and gross.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
When you look at other artists without saying names, do
you see it in them like they're selling themselves out?
I know they're different. What made me think about it is,
you know, when j Cole jumped into that beef, he
came back and said this is not for me. People
isshed on them and said this, that and the other.
But that was his assignment and you can't be mad
as assignment, and even me as a fan, was kind
of like he was on a mission.

Speaker 5 (51:45):
He realized.

Speaker 6 (51:46):
I understand that sometimes I believe that, you know, being
on mission or your assignment is not always to do
something heavenly and great and good. Sometimes it's to create
some chaos so that you may shake things up. Fertilizer
is put into a pot to disturb the roots. It's
poisoning them so they have to move. You can't really
judge it. You don't know what somebody's mission in because

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it all counts.

Speaker 5 (52:09):
It's all matter, and you don't know what journey God
got them more.

Speaker 6 (52:12):
That's right.

Speaker 5 (52:13):
You don't get Macha Max without Malcolm Little, that's right.

Speaker 6 (52:16):
You don't get Ericabaudu without trying to take it.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Street name.

Speaker 6 (52:23):
You don't get Eric Abadu without butchery knife Batty there.
That's my new Monica.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
Everybody, we got more with Erica bad Doo. When we
come back, it's the Breakfast Club. Good morning to everybody.
We are the Breakfast Club. We're still kicking with Ericka
Baddo Lauren.

Speaker 9 (52:38):
Were their points like bag Lady, I was saying earlier
in the room that I remember when bag Lady for
me started hitting differently and I was listening to it.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
And it was like, ooh, I get it now.

Speaker 9 (52:49):
When I was younger, I was just listening to it
because it was played in my house and I loved
the song. But I literally remember that feeling for you.
Were there points in your life where you had to
be like, oh I get it, like I feel it lady,
or like was this song of service for someone else?

Speaker 6 (53:02):
You mean feeling my own song?

Speaker 9 (53:04):
You're you're feeling your just Even before Bad Lady was created,
maybe there was a time in your life that you know,
created or inspired the song. When did you get out
of the bad Lady phase? And what did that feel
like for you?

Speaker 5 (53:15):
She has a lot of baggage.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
Men have told Lauren that she needs the healing. A
couple of men did that to Lauren. They said, I'll
spend the block what you need to heal.

Speaker 5 (53:26):
You need to work on yourself.

Speaker 6 (53:28):
So what y'all think about the two guys instead of that?

Speaker 5 (53:30):
Be right? I think they're right on a journey.

Speaker 6 (53:34):
She's on a journey. And the two men that you respect,
one of them are respect told you that you need
to work on yourself. Yes, as an insult or as
encouragement in love.

Speaker 9 (53:45):
The second one, I think it was an insult and
deflecting the first.

Speaker 12 (53:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (53:49):
The first one, I think it was like he really cares,
Like that's why when he said it, I was like, Okay,
I hear you. I'm in a point in my life
now where I can do the accountability.

Speaker 6 (53:56):
But does he need to work on himself as well?

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Yes he does?

Speaker 6 (54:00):
Does he know? Yes?

Speaker 2 (54:01):
He does?

Speaker 6 (54:02):
Okay?

Speaker 7 (54:02):
Cool?

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Second one really know, like it's.

Speaker 6 (54:04):
You really know he got to work on hisself.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
I don't even want nothing to do with that, Like
it's bad.

Speaker 9 (54:08):
But I asked that because I just feel like as
I got older and realized how much you do care,
especially emotionally, sometimes yeah, it weighs into other things and
it closes doors, or it cuts off relationships, or you
just miss out on good things. And every time I
listen to that song, I'm like, man, how did she
know that people was going to need this?

Speaker 14 (54:25):
You know?

Speaker 6 (54:26):
I was writing what I felt, you know, in my heart,
and I did hear it later and I talking to myself,
my future self.

Speaker 9 (54:34):
Where were you at that time of your life when
you were talking to your future self? Like, what was
the transition you were trying to make?

Speaker 6 (54:38):
I think I was transitioning out of a relationship where
I was not happy about it, yeah, and realizing that
I had to leave some things behind, some parts of
me behind. So it felt like a funeral or sort
because you have a party, you have to die every
time you evolve, You got to leave it back there.
You want it because it's familiar, and a lot of

(55:01):
times we like to resort to the familiar, even if
it talks. So you have to lead at courts that
beautiful old you that's to be left, and you have
to walk forward and I look back. That's the hardest part,
not leaving the people, but it's leaving your always and you.

Speaker 4 (55:17):
You're also playing Lucille in the Netflix movie The Piano Lesson.

Speaker 5 (55:23):
Were you a fan of the play.

Speaker 6 (55:24):
Absolutely. I went to HBC Gramley State University. I was
a theater major. I was a lesbian. So we did
a lot of August working material Lomaine Hansbury and a
myriad of black artists playwrights. But we did do that
play as well. And Lucille's part is very tiny, you know.

(55:45):
But the most important role I played was composing music
for the movie. Malcolm Washington, who is Denzel's son, is directing,
and he called me and asked if I were put
together some music for it. And I called my very
good friend Daniel Jones got risting, so safe journey. Daniel Jones.

(56:08):
He came and put some beautiful pieces together nineteen thirties
and I wrote, uh, lyrics over them, wow, And they're
use they're used in the movie The Piano Lesson, I
mean on Netflix.

Speaker 4 (56:21):
Then they he's producing The Piano Lesson, right, Yes, was
he involved lately?

Speaker 6 (56:26):
He he was around, but he he stepped back and
let his children work.

Speaker 5 (56:32):
Yeah, what do you learn from your children now now
that they're grown?

Speaker 6 (56:35):
Oh, so many things. Like I told you guys, there
are definitely improvements on my design. Puma is at a
place now at twenty that I was thirty before I
was at her level of understanding and emotional intelligence and
compassion for people, integrity, discipline. Yeah, I was still a

(56:55):
child kind of twenty. I learned a lot from them,
and they aren't very judgmental, you know, so they just
kind of go along with whatever I do. We never
had rules. It was just do what I say, and
they did that, watched me. You know, I never hid
anything from them. Yeah, they're they're turning. They're having their
turn at showing me and teaching me patience and severity. Mama,

(57:17):
you gotta say what you feel, feel what you say.
That's mars. That that's the electronic, a little good mars. Yeah,
they will, they'll tell me it will only be so
kind now. And our first favorite saying is a couplistic saying.
Severity without mercy is cruelty. Mercy without severity is weakness.

(57:42):
So we try to walk that line. You know, Kindness
isn't all it being you know, appearing nice kindness is
all also telling somebody to beat it right kind to yourself.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
You know, I've seen the Behi behive chased you a
little bit for a little bit.

Speaker 6 (57:58):
Where's the behind now?

Speaker 2 (58:00):
On Twitter?

Speaker 6 (58:03):
I ain't seen to be honest a long time, and
I love feest. They don't know I like it. I
love it, and I total him. Were in them lately though,
they're gonna tell me tomorrow see him tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (58:25):
I like the tweet when you said, Jay, you're gonna
let this woman needs be say something. Jay, You're gonna
let this woman need be.

Speaker 6 (58:34):
I don't know why people think take things so serious.
It's just my sense of humor. I love Jay.

Speaker 9 (58:40):
Well you saw the cover though, knowing that there is
the inspiration, Like does do those inspiration moments? Are you
feeling like, oh my god, they saw what I was
trying to do, they love it, they still doing it?

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Or do you feel like, oh that was mine? Like,
don't bite.

Speaker 6 (58:53):
I have to be very careful with this because my
children are watching me and that generation why chain and
as much as we love our art, it doesn't belong
to us once it goes out in the world. However,
though you can't manage what people are going to do
with the art. You can't manage whether they're going to

(59:16):
duplicate it or do another interpretation of it, or just
enjoy it or use it as an inspiration. You can't
manage that. But you don't have to remain silent about it.

Speaker 5 (59:26):
You can.

Speaker 6 (59:26):
If it makes you feel a way, you should say
something about it.

Speaker 4 (59:29):
My last question, I feel like everything you do is
spirit all. Like I said earlier, is it even possible
for you to do any type of art without divine
energy being involved?

Speaker 6 (59:37):
I don't think so, even if I'm not aware of it,
it's always involved. Yeah, something I know what it is.
It's something we floating on that's giving us like choice
of some sort. Yeah, you know, we're born, we're told
you know was forborn. You know, our religion was here already.

(01:00:00):
What we're supposed to believe in the tribe, the ways,
the haunting ways, what we worship, how we worship, how
we learn, how we cook, how we dressed. There's a
tribe and you learn that. Hopefully you go outside of
that once you are of age to explore other things,

(01:00:21):
because you want to see if that is true. And
then now you're an individual human which creator in spirit,
and then you have to learn how to go to
walk in that humanness, in that spiritualness.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
And also you can check out do worldmarket dot com
if you want to get all types of things.

Speaker 14 (01:00:40):
Like the I know I've been waiting even we don't
realize how big the fan base is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
The reach is, Oh, this is the figure that you've created.

Speaker 5 (01:00:54):
Yeah, this is the problem.

Speaker 6 (01:00:56):
This is the called tyrone video, so that we I
actually reached out to Funko to do this because I
thought it was important for my kids to have these.
They love funkos.

Speaker 5 (01:01:09):
That's dope.

Speaker 6 (01:01:09):
And I surprised them one day and said, I have
a Funko that's so dope like your own funk o.
You yeah, yeah, well.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
You it's beautiful. That's dope. Well, thank you again for
joining us. We always appreciate you.

Speaker 6 (01:01:24):
I appreciate you all always.

Speaker 5 (01:01:26):
Poor me Erica, it's the breakfast club. Good morning, thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:01:30):
Good morning.

Speaker 4 (01:01:30):
I say something you may not agree with doesn't mean
I'm mean, who's getting that donk that donkey that don't
don't don't don't dunk?

Speaker 7 (01:01:36):
The other day?

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
Right here to the breakfast club, bitch, you call me
the donkey of the day, but I mean no harm.

Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
Don't here today goes to a Baltimore man by the
name of Kevin Gross. Kevin is forty six years old,
just like I am. But I clearly make better choices
than Kevin. You know how sometimes people say, oh, you
think you better than me? The answer is, yes, yes,
I do, because I make better choices. Not judging you
for anything you got going on. But you asked me
a question, Oh you think you better than me? Yes, hell, yes,

(01:02:07):
because I understand the strongest principle of growth lies in
human choice, and I make better choices than you. And
if you are currently enjoying this thing called freedom, well
you make better choices than Kevin as well, because he's
in jail, currently facing charges for allegedly shooting a twenty
eight year old co worker on the side of I
ninety five this past Monday morning. I know some of

(01:02:27):
y'all right now are either at or on the way
to jobs where.

Speaker 5 (01:02:30):
You think you can't stand your coworker.

Speaker 4 (01:02:33):
You believe you hate this co worker with all your heart,
and you just might, okay, just be better than Kevin.

Speaker 5 (01:02:40):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:02:40):
And the way you continue to be better than Kevin
is simply by making the choice not to shoot your coworker.

Speaker 5 (01:02:45):
Let's go to WBALTV for the report.

Speaker 17 (01:02:46):
Polease bond denied for forty six year old Kevin Gross.
He's facing charges for allegedly shooting a twenty eight year
old coworker on the side of I ninety five early
Monday morning. According to charging documents, the victim called nine
to one one. When state police arrived, they found him
walking along the shoulder of ninety five with seven gunshot

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wounds to the arm and torso. Court documents show he
told police he was on his way into work and
got a flat tire, so he pulled over on the
shoulder of ninety five, just north of the Howard County line.
When he got out to inspect the tire, his coworker,
Kevin Gross, pulled up behind him and got out, wearing
a mask covering his mouth.

Speaker 9 (01:03:26):
Quote.

Speaker 17 (01:03:27):
Gross told him he must have hit a pothole or something,
but upon inspecting the tire, the victim could see the
tire had been slashed. Gross then produced a firearm and
began firing numerous shots end quote. Charging documents reveal that
two were assistant managers that planted aid in Elkridge. Gross
had recently been demoted, and the victim told police Gross

(01:03:47):
thought he had something to do with that demotion.

Speaker 5 (01:03:50):
Kevin, you got to write last name because this was gross.

Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
What a diabolical plan. The victim was on his way
to work and got a flat tire. He thought he
hit a pothole. His tire had been slashed. Oh, I
wanted who slashed him? And then when he got out
there inspect the tire, Kevin pulled up behind him with
a mask and shot him several times, all because he
thought his coworker got him demoted. Both of them were
assistant managers at Planet AID. Now y'all know what plan
today is right now?

Speaker 6 (01:04:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
They had organizations that collect the clothing donations. They got
the yellow bins all over the place you can put
the clothes and shoes in.

Speaker 5 (01:04:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:04:21):
Yeah, they accept clothing donations in seventeen hundred locations. Okay,
in the Elkridge warehouse. You know where Elkridge is, right, yep.
They collect fifteen point five million pounds of used clothes
and shoes annually. Well, clearly Kevin wasn't there for the car,
so I needed to know what are the perks of being.

Speaker 5 (01:04:37):
An assistant manager at Planet eight.

Speaker 4 (01:04:40):
So I asked chat GPT, how much does an assistant
manager at Planet aid make? I don't know if this
is one hundred percent correct, but it says the average
salary for a manager at Planet aid might earn between
fifty thousand and sixty thousand annually. Now I need y'all
to always keep in mind that my education is limited
to a high school degree from night school. Okay, dropping
the clues boumb for Berkeley High School rather than Monks Conta,
South Carolina. But if it's one thing I understand is

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prison math. And by prison math, I mean when you
have to calculate in your mind whether or not the
choice you make is gonna be worth you going to prison. Okay,
now let's do the prison math.

Speaker 5 (01:05:11):
All right.

Speaker 4 (01:05:11):
I'm making fifty sixty grand a year and Baltimore as
a forty six year old man.

Speaker 5 (01:05:15):
I don't know about y'all.

Speaker 4 (01:05:16):
But if I can afford to put some food on
my table and have a roof over my head, I'm
gonna be happy.

Speaker 5 (01:05:21):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:05:21):
Success is subjective, and if you're a freeman forty six
years old, you can come and go as you please.
You got a job you maintaining. That's a good life.
If you don't think it's a good life, go to
a prison right now and talk to these brothers doing fifteen,
doing twenty, doing twenty five, some of them doing forever,
and ask them when they trade lives with the freeman
making fifty to sixty grand as an assistant manager at

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Planet eight.

Speaker 5 (01:05:44):
Hell, even if he got demoted, okay, even if he
got demoted, The.

Speaker 4 (01:05:48):
Warehouse lead role at Planet eight earns about twenty seven
thirty nine per hour. According to chat GPT, that's almost
fifty seven grand a year if you working forty hours
a week. All I'm saying is, no matter how much
I can calculate this prison math.

Speaker 5 (01:06:02):
Okay, I've done addition, subtraction, multiplication, division. I tried to
figure this out multiple ways, and guess what, it just
don't compute.

Speaker 4 (01:06:10):
Okay, it just nothing add up. The victim is in
critical condition. He got seven times, he got shot seven times.
Kevin Gross is charged with attempted first degree murder in Maryland.
That's life in prison, first and second degree assault. Kevin
Gross is also charged with first degree as sold, it's
twenty five years in Maryland. Second degree is sold it's
ten years in Maryland and he got other related charges.

(01:06:32):
Moral of the story is Kevin is spending the rest
of his natural born life in prison. Therefore, the prison
math ain't adding up. It's just not worth it. You
have to calculate it in your head. You got demoted.
You don't even know if this.

Speaker 5 (01:06:45):
Person you shot had anything to do with.

Speaker 4 (01:06:46):
It, But even if they did, as soon as you
started formulating this plan in your head, just think about it.
I'm gonna cut his tires, I'm gonna shoot him a
bunch of times. At some point your brain has to
say no, no, no, no, no, this prison math ain't mathing.
This is not a situation that's worth having to eat
jail food for the rest of your life or having
an inmate treat your bunkie.

Speaker 5 (01:07:08):
Like a ball of cereal. So please let remy ma
give Kevin Gross the biggest he hall hee ha he ha.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
You stupid mother?

Speaker 5 (01:07:18):
Are you dumb? You got demoted?

Speaker 6 (01:07:20):
Take the l How do you get demoted from like
a Salvation army?

Speaker 5 (01:07:24):
Please? That's a good will?

Speaker 6 (01:07:26):
Please?

Speaker 5 (01:07:27):
And what could you do wrong?

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:07:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:07:30):
But he didn't even ask no questions. He just assumed it.
Was this other this other person and shot him seven times.
Now he's gonna spend the rest of his life in
prison for that. They don't need to play and you also,
I mean we can if you want to what you
want to play a game? He's from Baltimore, the white

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people in Baltimore.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
In Baltimore.

Speaker 9 (01:07:55):
No, but something that patty like that, like like you
got a point got a point clothing store. Then it's
not even like in a like a regular clothing store
plan b Yeah, like nah.

Speaker 5 (01:08:08):
Always do prison math though, whenever you're about.

Speaker 4 (01:08:10):
To make a choice that you think we're gonna get
you in some type of trouble, especially if it's involving
any type of crime, just just calculated in your head.
Is this worth the time you're gonna get? What's that situation?

Speaker 5 (01:08:22):
That's it? All right?

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
Well, thank you for that donkey.

Speaker 7 (01:08:25):
Today the breakfast club.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
Warning everybody at CJ n V Jess hilarious, Charlamagna Dad,
we are to breakfast club. Yes, it's on maternity leave,
so long on the roast is filling in and we
got a special guest in the building. We have passed
the stepfan Eki oh before I.

Speaker 4 (01:08:42):
Feel good, you got a new book out and not
a power of your dreams. Yeah, I love a good
dream book. I'm the type of person that I keep
dream books by my bedside. When I wake up, I
can look and see what certain things mean. Is that
what got you into wanting to write this book?

Speaker 9 (01:08:56):
No, So, I encountered God when I was nine years old,
and one of the ways that was so consistent was
that he would speak to me through dreams. And it's
interesting where you talk about, you know, using like having
books that tell you about symbols and things like that,
because I think one of the reasons why maybe sometimes
people don't even understand the fullness of their dream is
because they pick it apart, and the whole dream is

(01:09:19):
telling a message. If you only pick it apart, you
may not understand the fullness of it. But dreams have
been so consistent for me ever since nine years old.

Speaker 4 (01:09:28):
That is a great point, because I never look at
the whole totality of my dream. I find like one
thing that stood out.

Speaker 9 (01:09:34):
It's like a WebMD of dreams where people like get
books or go on Google and you're like, you only
look at one thing. And that's one of the things
I talk about in the book where you have to
look at it like a whole story and to understanding
each symbol kind of like tell what is the dreams
really saying?

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
Like you said you had an accounter with God at
the age of nine, Yeah, what was that encounter?

Speaker 5 (01:09:54):
What did he say?

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
What was that conversation? Enlightened us with.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
What it was?

Speaker 9 (01:09:58):
Yeah, So my father was murdered when I was eight
months old, and so I grew up with like a
lot of anger and I was like, man, God, you know,
if you didn't take my father, it was just another
reason why I got angry again.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
But that day literally, like.

Speaker 9 (01:10:11):
I remember being in my room and I could feel
like a presence in my room and got my mom's room.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
She's and she's up.

Speaker 9 (01:10:18):
So the moment I hop in her bed, she's out cold,
like not moving, not responding, And I feel the same
presence again in her room and I was like, God,
I'm like, if this is of you, cause wind to
flow through my ankles out of nowhere. The windows are
not open, nothing, there was like this wind that just
flows through me. Because when my eyes closed, I could

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see a man sitting but his home makeup was like light.
So then I removed like the covers of my eyes
and I see him with my eyes open, sitting there.
He gets up, He walks over to my mom and
I start asking him questions because I thought it was God,
and I was like, where were you with my dad?

Speaker 12 (01:10:54):
Dad?

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
Did Dad? And he starts saying something. I had no
clue what he was saying. He walks over to my mom.
He opens her hand. He put it's like this piece
of paper in her hand, closes, it disappears. She wakes
up that morning.

Speaker 9 (01:11:05):
Her pastor calls her and he was like, Hey, I
was in prayer and I just feel like to tell
you that there was an angelic encounter in your home.
But he didn't know to the degree of what he
was even saying. And I was like, Mom, I'm telling you,
this happened randomly. The document we had been literally ripping
the whole house apart for just shows up on the table.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
And then I'm like, wait, was that the document? Like
was that what it symbolized?

Speaker 9 (01:11:28):
Like they put in her hand, and so I'm like, oh,
my gosh, I met God. And then I stood at
hearing the voice of God and it was like, that
was not me, that was an angel.

Speaker 5 (01:11:35):
What did the angel look like it looked like Homie
from the Crossroads video.

Speaker 9 (01:11:40):
It was so he had like a he had a
human form, but the only difference his home makeup was light.
That was everything about him was like light radiating. So
I couldn't even tell you how to describe his features because.

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
It was just light.

Speaker 9 (01:11:56):
I was going to say, like for you, it was
a lot more clear. But like some people think they're
hearing things, but it might not be clear that is
God to them. How do you coach people through being able.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
To let that voice break through and understanding it is God.

Speaker 9 (01:12:08):
Yeah, I think one of the key things is found
the foundational element of it. Right, you don't need to
read the Bible for God to speak to you, but
you need to have an understanding of His voice in
the Bible so that you're not deceived by the voices
you hear. And so when you have a good foundation
of knowing the voice of God, even in his word,
then when you begin to hear him or you see

(01:12:30):
things in the book. One of the things I talk about,
even before I get into the subject of dreams, are
the different ways.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
We experience God's voice.

Speaker 9 (01:12:38):
The four primary way. So there are some people who
they are feelers right. You know, God has emotions. The
Bible talks about so many types of emotions, peace, you know, love, anger,
all these things. So there are people that you might
walk into a room there's a deal on the table
for you, everything checks off.

Speaker 3 (01:12:53):
But then you don't.

Speaker 9 (01:12:54):
You're not at peace with this. Something is like messing
up with you, Like, I don't think this is for me.
The problem is that if we don't have a god
consciousness about life, we.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
Think it's us feeling that way.

Speaker 9 (01:13:04):
But the Lord is trying to share his emotions with you, like, hey,
I'm not in that. You know, it might look good
on paper, but I'm not in that. So those are
people that feel. There are people that know. There's some
people that just have an instinctive knowing, and for many
that is more heightened when you're a kid.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
There's a beauty with being a child.

Speaker 9 (01:13:21):
Your intelligence is not in the way the older we
get our wisdom blocks us from discerning the voice of
God because we're trying to, you know, outthink it. We're
overthinking it rather like where did this come from? Where
did that come from? And then there's the hearers. There
are people who you know audibly. It's more rare to
hear the voice of God audibly now, But he also
speaks in the form of thoughts. So there are these

(01:13:42):
distinctive thoughts or series of thoughts that you would really
like hear in your head. And it has nothing to
do with how you would naturally think, how you will naturally, like,
you know, think about a matter. The same way that
anxiety has a voice. You know, pain has a voice.
The Lord also speaks to you through your thoughts, and
then they're seers and that's where dreams.

Speaker 6 (01:14:01):
Come in, you know what.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
For me, it's I remember when my my wife's father
passed away, right, and it was the weirdest thing. We
had balloons downstairs and it was her birthday and my wife,
out of nowhere, just started thinking about her dad. And
I don't know if this was whatever it was, but
out of nowhere, like midnight one am, the balloons that
were in the kitchen actually blew up the stairs and
came into the bedroom.

Speaker 5 (01:14:22):
That helium balloons.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
Yeah, were healing balloons, Yeah, of course they would rise.

Speaker 5 (01:14:26):
He was thinking up the stairs.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
His experience with God.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
But it could have went to any one of the
bedrooms in the house.

Speaker 5 (01:14:41):
It went right to the bed.

Speaker 4 (01:14:47):
I believe I believe that was I believe that was it.
I believe that was the sign. I believe that was him,
I really do. I'm not doing this sound no, but
it was out out of my house. Those balloons could
have went.

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
And the fact that she was talking about her dad
and crying over him several hours earlier, this made me
feel like, damn, there are signs and there are angels.
How do you you know, I guess, break down different dreams.
What do the different dreams mean?

Speaker 9 (01:15:13):
Yeah, So in the book I talk about just different
types of dreams, because the key thing, even before you
get into that, is to know why we dream, right God,
I mean? And their dreams can come from different places.
A dream can come from you, a dream can come
from God. A dream can come from you know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
The enemy. But when it comes from God.

Speaker 9 (01:15:31):
God has a desire to has a desire to speak
to us more than we even desire to hear from him.
Because regardless of where we find ourselves in life, regardless
of how successful we perceive ourselves to be, regardless of
all the things we have going on, we are first
His creation, and there's something there. Your life is not random.
He desires to do life with you. He desires to.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
Partner with you.

Speaker 9 (01:15:54):
And so there are types of dreams like especially when
people see there, you know, loved ones who have passed on,
Those could be an encouragement dreams. Now, how the dream
is presented matters because when someone passes away, they lose
consciousness of the physical realm. But that does not mean
that who they are, their essence is gone. Right, They're
transitioning to a different life, you know, whether that's with

(01:16:15):
the Lord or you know, the opposite. Nobody wants that,
but they're transitioning now to like an eternal life.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
You know, in the spiritual realm.

Speaker 9 (01:16:22):
They're not fully just gone. You know who they are,
the core of who they are, that their spirit man
is still with him.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
We have more with Pastor Stephanie Okafour when we come back.
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Rosa feeling in for Jess and we're still kicking with
Pastor Stephanie okafor talk about you. If you feel comfortable
about the time you went to the doctor and God
told you something different than what your doctor told you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
Oh that happened to me.

Speaker 16 (01:16:52):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
So when I was pregnant. I have a daughter.

Speaker 9 (01:16:55):
When I was pregnant with my daughter, I started experiencing
like a lot of pain.

Speaker 12 (01:16:59):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:17:00):
We go to the are obg y n rather and
he's like trying to you know, even confirm the pregnancy.
And he's like, man, I don't see a pregnancy here.
I just see some things that does not look good,
Like you need to go to the er.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
So we rush to the er.

Speaker 9 (01:17:13):
They tell me that I have like these fibroids that
have gone, you know, gotten really big because of the
pregnancy and the blood flow going like to the womb.
So they you know, we share the results of the
doctor and he literally calls me. He was like, because
of the size of these fibroids, because of the location
of these fibroids, you need to terminate the pregnancy and
you need to terminate this because he was from his analysis,

(01:17:37):
the baby won't have room to grow and the firebords
could cause and even if you know, we take the
baby to term, the bleeding is going to be too excessive.
And he called back to back, he was like, I'm
telling you you need to terminate this and try again.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
Let terminate it.

Speaker 9 (01:17:52):
Let's take the fibroids out and try again. And so
I remember like I'm stealing a lot of pain, and
I just like I'm praying and calling out to God.
And that night I have a dream and the Lord
comes to me and says, do a two key things.
He says, no harm is going to come to your child,
and he hands me a Bible. And when I woke up,
I knew that the Bible was represented stand on my word.

(01:18:15):
So then I started opening scriptures that spoke about healing,
and I'm like, okay, God, no harm will come to her,
and this is what your word says about healing. And
so I got another obgyn because I'm like, God has
shown me like no harm is going to come to
this child. And the other obgyn she was like, you know,
I'm going to be optimistic, but I'm going to tell
you there is a scare and a concern. So we

(01:18:35):
need to get a specialist doctor, you know, involved, and
we need to watch this carefully. All of a sudden,
everything that was a concern started being reversed. So initially
they're like, we don't know if that you're going to
have room for this baby to grow. The doctor is like, oh,
you got room for two, you know. But the keithing
is getting that word from God. And I believe that's
why in the business of our lives, God still finds

(01:18:58):
that place when we're sleeping to speak to us and
show us, like, I know, everything in your world is
telling you this is not going to work, but I'm
showing you that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
I'm with you.

Speaker 4 (01:19:06):
You talk about it in the book about how the
Bible and science talk about the benefits of getting what
I never heard that from the Bible.

Speaker 9 (01:19:14):
Yeah, because Biblically, you know, we are body, soul, and spirit.
And I think so many times, even in like Christianity,
we only focus on like, you know, the things we
got to do, like the spirit realm, the soul realm.
But there is like your body, and in order for it,
you have to be a good steward over your body.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
You know, you have to.

Speaker 9 (01:19:33):
There are things that even as believers, it's just as
important and eat eating well just as important as working out,
because the body is the vehicles the thing that carries
your spirit.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
There's a thing that embodies your soul.

Speaker 9 (01:19:44):
So if your body is not healthy, that's not good stewardship,
you know, so when you're able to get proper rest,
and it's there's such a connection between you know, science
and even you know, our spirituality because from a scientific standpoint,
when you don't have enough rest, you have brainfall. That
affects your ability to even remember your dreams because when

(01:20:05):
you wake up and you come out of this place
where you had an encounter or X, Y and Z,
your body needs to be healthy enough to process what
was just deposited. And so if you're not getting enough rest,
it's very similar to you know, a computer, like if
you only allow your computer to die every single time,
it causes memory loss over time.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
Same thing.

Speaker 9 (01:20:26):
If you only go to bed when you feel like
shut down, like your ex completely exhausted and you just crash,
it's harder for you to remember your dreams because that
also affects memory loss, you know, when you're waking up
from those moments. And so being a good steward is
looking at every part. Even the Bible talks about you prospering,
you know, in all things right, not just in your spirit,

(01:20:49):
but in your soul, in your body. So there's a
scripture that talks about bring your whole body, your whole soul,
and your whole spirit blameless before God. So he's after
everything that be a good Do it because it all
connects this like the conversation with you about dreams in
the in the book feels like how people go and
get like he read my palm and but it's I

(01:21:09):
know it's different. And growing up in a church, my grandma,
she don't play that we're not allowed to do that
type of stuff. But then pastors will prophesy to you.
What is why can we do one thing but not
the other?

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
That's a great question.

Speaker 9 (01:21:20):
So when you look at the spiritual realm, just like
in life, right, there's good, there's evil. The spiritual realm
there's good, there's evil. So it's just like if you're praying,
Let's say you're praying for envy, right, and you're like, God,
what are your thoughts about envy?

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
And then the Holy Spirit might start showing you things
about him.

Speaker 6 (01:21:36):
It's rock.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
Envy that is, get it together.

Speaker 5 (01:21:45):
Just what I pray? What God?

Speaker 3 (01:21:53):
Like when somebody's being evil or they joking, like pray
for her eyelashes, right, and it's to the point where
it's like just joke too.

Speaker 5 (01:22:00):
Much.

Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
There's no baby want me to continue on none of that.

Speaker 9 (01:22:07):
But the beauty is it's coming from God, right, and
what comes from Him is for your good. This is
and first of all, it is the source that you
can trust, right because it's the source that created you.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
It's a source that knows your life. It is a
source that is for you.

Speaker 9 (01:22:22):
When you go to someone reading your palms, a terror
cart reader, a psychic, the source is demonic.

Speaker 5 (01:22:28):
Question.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
You know, when people do pray, some of the prayers frivolous,
like for instance, like if somebody praise for their team, right,
not pray to be healthy or to be safe during
your game, or pray your team wins. Or Lauren prays
for a man or Charlomagne praise to be a little
taller and I pray for that. Like how do those
type of prayers work when it comes to it's one
of those things where write it off or is it

(01:22:50):
one of those things to honestly to pray for things
that like I prayed that the Giants win next week?

Speaker 5 (01:22:54):
Is real prayer or is it?

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
No?

Speaker 9 (01:22:56):
I think wherever God is so kind doesn't mean that
just because because you're like da, I pray the giants
win and guys, I all get the giants going to win.
But as you grow in God, you start to understand that.
You know, the power of prayer is when you pray
in alignment.

Speaker 7 (01:23:09):
With His will.

Speaker 9 (01:23:11):
But you have to first know his will, so that
takes maturity, right. But when you're still in that, like
you know, stage of being like a baby, you're random
things you could ask and sometimes he will do some
random things just to show you he hears.

Speaker 6 (01:23:23):
You and he loves you.

Speaker 5 (01:23:25):
How can they follow you?

Speaker 9 (01:23:25):
Stephanie No, I'm on Instagram Stephanie E k I k
e and then have a YouTube channel Stephanie k okafor
yeah TikTok Stephanie A.

Speaker 5 (01:23:33):
K Oka for yeah you appreciator? Yeah, okay, okay okay.

Speaker 3 (01:23:40):
The book and where people.

Speaker 9 (01:23:40):
Can get it The Power of Your Dreams, and it's
available everywhere.

Speaker 5 (01:23:45):
A guide to hearing and understanding how God speaks?

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
Why why you sleep?

Speaker 5 (01:23:48):
All?

Speaker 6 (01:23:48):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:23:49):
Well, before we get about of here, let's let's close
on a prayer.

Speaker 9 (01:23:51):
Yes, yes, yes, Heavenly Father, we thank you for just
everything you've done in this moment. Lord God, we thank
you even in talking about this book, because it's really
not about just getting a book out. But it's really
about getting people to be awakened to knowing that you
speak and you desire to speak to them, whether they're
awake or whether they're asleep. But even the power of

(01:24:11):
their dreams. Many people are ignoring their dreams in this
time and they are a world. You're trying to alert
them about their warnings. You want to make them aware.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
Of their ways. You want to prepare them. There are
ways you want to encourage them.

Speaker 9 (01:24:22):
And to Lord that just pray that you will continue
to be glorified in and through everything that we do.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
We love you, Lord, We thank you and Jesus name.

Speaker 6 (01:24:30):
Amen.

Speaker 3 (01:24:30):
Amen, Well, thank you very much, thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:24:35):
Yes, come on, it's good, thank you.

Speaker 7 (01:24:38):
It's a breakfast club, everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
It's the dej n V. Jess, Ilarry Charlamagne's God. We
are the breakfast club. It's time for Jess. Fix my mess.

Speaker 5 (01:24:51):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
We got Stacy on the line. Stacy, good morning. What's
your question for Jess.

Speaker 10 (01:24:56):
Yes, I got like a little I'm a lesbian. I'm
gonna start off saying that I share you.

Speaker 13 (01:25:06):
What I said.

Speaker 9 (01:25:06):
I'm a last man.

Speaker 10 (01:25:07):
I start with the woman. Okay, So that's that's like
baseline up, why I'm acting.

Speaker 14 (01:25:14):
This question right?

Speaker 6 (01:25:15):
Okay?

Speaker 10 (01:25:15):
Like we parent good. She was in my high school
wee heart, but I got a current girlfriend now only
was gonna me and her broke up because she kid
on me.

Speaker 11 (01:25:23):
But I have a current girlfriend.

Speaker 10 (01:25:25):
And like whenever we're talking her, whenever we're going over anything,
she always bring up my current girlfriend, Like I don't
want to be conflicted on't arguing with her, and she's like,
you always getting defensive, Like it's not me being defensive,
but it's like a conversation that we don't meet to
have every time we're talking about anything, like we could

(01:25:46):
be talking about with our child ate today and it's like,
well did your girlfriend cook anything? Well did your girlfriend do?
Like I don't even understand why.

Speaker 8 (01:25:55):
She's even being brought up right now?

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
You don't understand why she's argue.

Speaker 9 (01:26:00):
Yeah, So to be honest, you don't. You don't understand
why she's being brought up.

Speaker 10 (01:26:04):
I mean she I say she's not mad, she says
she don't care, she says she's not jealous. But one
plus one equal too. But at that point from the conversation,
every time.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
Then that then listen that you you you keep it
text only.

Speaker 5 (01:26:20):
That's just it.

Speaker 9 (01:26:21):
Like you if you can't stop talking, because obviously she's
not over you. If you can't if we can't have
a conversation about our child where you're not implementing the
fact that I have a girlfriend or anything like you're
you're you're bringing her up. That we just will not
talk verbally. We'll have to talk through text like late
lady ground rules.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
Now, are you over her? Yeah, relationship that'll mean a
damn thing.

Speaker 5 (01:26:44):
But are you so you over it?

Speaker 12 (01:26:46):
Does not?

Speaker 6 (01:26:46):
Girl?

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
You know?

Speaker 5 (01:26:47):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
So is your ex in a relationship?

Speaker 10 (01:26:49):
No, she hasn't been in one since.

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
Say so obviously, so she's not over you.

Speaker 12 (01:26:55):
She's to my.

Speaker 10 (01:26:57):
Knowledge, I don't know. Maybe I wouldn't, but I got
you put to me. She say that she's not being
with nobody.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
That's because she try all that is trying to get
you back.

Speaker 6 (01:27:13):
Listen.

Speaker 9 (01:27:13):
You know how many guys and told me y'all, I'm celibating, y'all,
like I'm just trying to get you back for real,
for real.

Speaker 6 (01:27:18):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
That's just.

Speaker 10 (01:27:21):
She's not trying to get me back. Say I'm toxic.

Speaker 9 (01:27:24):
Listen, and studs love toxicity. Okay, a lot of people
love toxicity.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
So that's just what it is. She your baby mother,
is not over you. Your ex is not over you.
She's not.

Speaker 3 (01:27:35):
How you can move.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
Forward to that is just laid the ground rules. It
don't listen.

Speaker 9 (01:27:39):
I'm not going to keep talking to you if you
got to bring up my girlfriend in our verbal conversations,
it's not we can do text only. We can still
co parent, but we will co parent through text, email, whatever,
until you get the point. I don't want to hear
about my girlfriend from you and and me being a relation,
me being in a relationship that shouldn't be a problem
because we're not getting back together.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
Whether you celibate or not. You just still the mother
of my child.

Speaker 13 (01:28:01):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
That's all we got. That's it. It sounds good, what
it sound like? No, it does sound good.

Speaker 10 (01:28:21):
But whatever her like, I'm about to be on the radio,
please going because I need somebody else to like, hoist
it over because no, no, what.

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
It sounds like?

Speaker 5 (01:28:31):
No listen?

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
What does sound like?

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
Listen listen listen, girls, shut up, no, listen. What it
sounds like to me? Is you like that attention from her?

Speaker 9 (01:28:44):
Listen to it's messing with your relationship. But you still
you gotta put you ain't no gun in your head
making you talk to her about that. It's about the child.
It's text only, it's email only. Whatever, get a restrain
in order if she bother you like that.

Speaker 10 (01:29:00):
No, it's not vibing me like that, Like we co parent?
How about co parent with them?

Speaker 9 (01:29:05):
Look exactly, that's what I'm saying. But you just so
it's just a verbal for you. You don't like her
bringing up your girlfriend, You tell her that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
So yeah, so that's what you do.

Speaker 9 (01:29:14):
You make it a text only situation where that's it
you because you entertaining it still at the end of
the day, Like you're still entertaining it all right now.

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
You can't control will come out of your ex mouth. No,
you can't.

Speaker 9 (01:29:25):
But at the same time, baby, it's not that hard.
It's I'm telling you, it's not that hard, like for
you to not talk to this woman. It's still co
parent it like verbally, that's just what it is. Like, Nah,
this is about the baby. Because because you can ignore
certain things in the text, you can ignore certain things
in a conversation, but it gets to you more when

(01:29:46):
you gotta hear it, you feel me like, just yeah,
talk about what you want to talk about in the text.

Speaker 6 (01:29:51):
That's all.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
That's it.

Speaker 9 (01:29:51):
When she call you, you get a phone with the baby,
take the phone back, all right, she love you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
Hang up.

Speaker 6 (01:29:56):
That's it.

Speaker 9 (01:29:57):
That's it, especially if it's a fact of your relationship.
Stoping attaining that.

Speaker 10 (01:30:00):
Okay, And I have one more thing I want to say,
and then and this is and I'm gonna just leave
y'all alone, all right. I saw y'all last year at
our podcast and then you look amazing, and I just
want to say that. And I love you, you.

Speaker 3 (01:30:16):
Said, I said, don't we trying to be gay with me?

Speaker 6 (01:30:18):
But thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
Girls, No, no, no, no messing with you.

Speaker 10 (01:30:22):
I seen y'all. I seen y'all act on the show.
I mean, I don't know, maybe I don't know.

Speaker 11 (01:30:27):
I sawt y'all sday.

Speaker 3 (01:30:29):
Just I got put shot shot.

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
Hey, y'all your girlfriend going, whoop your hand?

Speaker 8 (01:30:37):
You let me stop?

Speaker 11 (01:30:40):
Let me stop?

Speaker 3 (01:30:40):
Well, thank you, mama, Just fix my mess. Eight hundred
five eight five one o five one call us up now.
It's the Breakfast Clover in the morning. Warning everybody, it's
d J n V. Just hilarious. Charlamagne the Guy.

Speaker 5 (01:30:50):
We are the Breakfast Club.

Speaker 4 (01:30:52):
It's time for positive Note what we got in the
positive Notice simply this, Uh nothing that's for you will
we require you to act out a character to get it.

Speaker 5 (01:31:02):
Always remember that absolutely nothing. Have a great breakfast club.
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