September 17, 2024 • 25 mins
Buck Sexton is joined by Michael Malice to discuss the recent second assassination attempt on Donald Trump and the media's response. They delve into the dangerous rhetoric surrounding Trump, comparisons to historical figures like Hitler, and how the media is shaping the narrative. Buck and Michael also debate the sustainability of Kamala Harris' campaign and the potential consequences of another Trump assassination attempt. Plus, they talk about the broader implications for democracy and freedom in America.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
You're listening to The Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure
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wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everybody, Welcome to the
Buck Brief. This episode, Michael Malice back in the hot seat.
And look, Michael is the host of your welcome, which
is fantastic. He's an author, He's a super interesting guy.
(00:31):
Don't tell him I said that, Michael. The second assassination
attempt on Donald Trump just happened.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
What are your thoughts, second known assassination attempt? Yeah, Trump,
I mean, we don't know how many. I'm sure there's
many many assassination attempts on all presidents that we're not
privy to, and we shouldn't be privy to. So people
are our workarounds. I was on Rogan not that long ago,
and Rogan had asked me, do you think they're going
to do it again? And I said yes, and he goes, yeah,
me too. Immediately, I think this is I'm more concerned
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because I don't think this guy had had a chance.
It wasn't like he was closed. You know, I don't
think President Trump was actually in danger, sure, but I'm
more concerned about the fact that there's no come to
Jesus moment with the media about Okay, what's our part
in this? Because we've heard for years about rhetoric, dangerous rhetoric,
dangerous rhetoric, Gabby Gifford's, you know, all this other stuff,
(01:26):
and then someone actually pulls the trigger and it's just
I don't know if you saw this. Lester Holt was
blaming Trump's rhetoric for this. I mean, did you see
how he was dressed. I mean, he had a coming.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Not only the lesser hole clip that I saw. He
says that it's Trump gets you know, Trump had another
attempted assassination. Maybe this will change Trump's rhetoric about how
it affects the Haitian migrants in Springfield. It was just
it was just mental gymnastics of the most dishonest kind
on display. But I guess this is the media has
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got nothing else because they can't show us more Kamala
that much. They know they can't have Kamala actually out
there campaigning like a normal presidential anity.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
But Bucket's also you can't have people viewing Trump as
a human being because if there was just even this
moment of Okay, this guy's terrible, His policies are bad.
You know, Like in two thousand and eight, Barack Obama
was like, I think John McCain's a great man. I
just think he's wrong and everything. If they can't even
say that about Trump, yeah, it has to be that
he's this existential demon. That and at that point it's like, well,
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if this person is this existential demon, isn't it appropriate
to take what interactions necessary? You can't simultaneously say someone
is the biggest threat to America since the Civil War
and then also claim that committing violence against them is
somehow beyond the pale.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
How do they get around that? I mean, that's people
have really picked up on this. If someone is Hitler like,
violence against them is completely justified, right or mintigated or
or manded. So how can they say Trump is a
Hitler like figure, would bring fascism to America, would end democracy?
And this is from the Kamala campaign. When you say
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someone is a threat to democracy, See that is not
a claim that was being That is, you know, routinely
made about other Republicans stretching back for a long time now.
A lot of nasty things I'll say about them, but
not they're they're going to end the country. If someone's
going to end the country, what is not justifiable?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah, and I don't know, ife you you know this,
but in twenty twenty, both Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton
were blaming the violence in the rioting on Trump's America.
And you know this is this is at his fault,
at his feet. So I am I'm concerned that they're
not concerned because if there was as much of a
meltdown over what happened, you know, in Butler, Pennsylvania, as
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there is on a daily basis about climate change, which
even if it's true, is going to take decades to
screw things up. This is happening right now in the
middle of an election year. I think one of the
biggest threats to democracy is assassinating people. Like that's a
pretty big threat to democracy. Well, you know, I get
to vote for somebody because they were murdered.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Well, and as we know, there have been assassinations that
have led to well led the First World War, have
have led to horrendous, very broad consequences historically.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
If anyone who's yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Yeah, a basic student of history would see that this
is the risk we run. I mean, I am curious.
What do you think would have happened? If let's just say,
I'm still very worried about Trump's safety right now. I
continue to be worried about this going forward. You two are,
of course, are you're crazy.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Like I mean yours food, But I mean, I'm sorry
this secret Look, I'm not a Secret Service operative. I'm
not a gunsman like you know many of your listeners are.
And I mean this with great honor, but you and
I if we went to that field in Butler, we
would have seen that roof. It's this is not some
kind of weird, you know, cryptic magic eye thing.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Well, this is my concern I've been saying this today
on the radio, Michael, is because of what we saw
in Butler. Every lunatic who thinks that they're morally justified
in going after Trump believe eves they could take him out.
You know what I mean. It's the mystique of the
Secret Service is gone. No one thinks that these are
these guys are you know, like super warriors who are
(05:20):
always on it. Really they're just kind of bossy at
like charity events and uh and you know, political fundraisers
to people who pose no threat and then missed the obvious.
I mean, that's just that's been my experience with the
Secret Service, and that's that's what we've all seen in
terms of their ability to deflect threats. So, yeah, I
think Trump is under continued threat. And if they had
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taken them out in Butler, what what do you think
that what happens? What would have happened to the country.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I don't want to think about it, because there's a
couple of scenarios. One is that the mag of people,
regardless as having truthfully or not been a deep state
operation and poop really hits the fan. Yeah, or even
more likely but scarier, is that the Biden administration uses
this as an excuse to clamp down on freedoms and really,
(06:11):
you know, make the COVID experience look like kindergarten because
now they can say, look, violence is out of control,
guns are out of control, We're locking stuff down in
a draconian way, and they would have a lot of
support and the media twenty four to seven would be saying,
this is what we need to do. We can't let
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this happen again. They would make Trump a martyr for
their cause.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah, that's a good point, and I think that's all.
That's all very true, which is stunning when you actually
think about it. We'll come back into this in a second.
I want to ask you about the Kamala campaign. Is
this really Is this sustainable in a way where they
can push her across the finished line or not. You know,
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(08:01):
even though people had very interesting opinions about the debate,
the Kamala campaign is losing. Do you think they can
turn that around owned or is this in the Is
this a campaign in terminal decline?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
But she's she's really like the mascot. I think people
need to realize that. I think on some conscious, subconcious level,
people do just like Biden was the mascot of the
Democrats in twenty twenty. No one's voting for Biden, right,
they were voting for to stop Trump. But with the
voting for the Democrats, they can easily drag her across
the finish line. There's a few scenarios. It could be
twenty twenty two where people are expecting Republican victory, and
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it kind of trickled across the finish line. It could
be twenty twenty where they do drag the carcass, you know,
into the White House, or it could be twenty sixteen.
I expect, if I have to make a prediction gun
to head, that she's going to be overconfident because of
how well that debate went for her, and she's going
to have a few more interviews and when this broad
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goes off script, that's when hilarity ensues. She's more of
a gaff machine than Biden was at his worst. So
I think there's gonna be a lot of that before
now and November. But I do think if I had
to bet mine, I would give him about an eighty
percent chance of winning. Right now.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
I've always thought that Biden because it was apparent that
he was foggy and and old, like really old, right
that even when he would say weird things, he goes, yeah,
like he's an old guy. With Kamala, You're just like,
what is wrong with this person? She's not that old,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
You heard what I said on Rogan right, No, so
you might have to bleep this out I said, going
after her, you know, you're both racist, sexist, and ablest,
and he goes ablest. They go, yeah, because she's literally retarded.
And I'm glad to report that everyone understood what I
meant by that word. Not one person thought I was
making fun of someone who is mentally disabled. Because there's
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something fundamentally wrong with her. She's either drunk all the
time like you and I. Either you or I are
any podcast host we know if we were given those
questions by Dana Bash, would have been able to give
a better Kamala answer than she did, be able to
put forth her positions better than she did. Yes, the
amateur hour from beginning, and by the other thing is,
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by all reports, as you know and as your viewers know,
she's apparently a nightmare to work with. So not only
is she awful, she's not taking notes. Now. That debate
was to the contrary. Someone sat her down and said,
here's what you're gonna do, and she did.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yeah. I think she. I think she memorized lines. I
think honestly everything she All that happened was they're like,
when they mentioned something about the economy, here's what you
say when they mentioned something. It doesn't matter what and
but people also I get a little bit of trouble.
There's even some of my own like inner circle friends,
UH I can tell you have come after me on this.
(10:45):
I'm like, guys, so like, well, they gave her the questions,
I'm like, so what. First of all, we can't prove it,
but second of all, we all know what the questions
are basically going to be. Like It's there were no
gotcha questions that were you know, who is the prime
minister of uh I don't know Botswana or or Bangladesh
or something like. It just was pretty straightforward stuff. They
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did ask him about the Kamala you know, the race
identity thing, but you know that was just them being moderators,
were all on the tank for one side. It's not
like if Trump had had you know, had had fore
knowledge of that answer, it would have made some big
difference anyway or that question. Rather, so I think that
that gets too focused in and out. But yeah, Kamala
did her homework, which is interesting because usually she's criticized
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for being somebody for being someone who won't do the
reading before she goes in. But I mean, I think
she's a uniquely awful candidate, and and to me, Trump
has to win this because there's no way to spin
losing to Kamala Harris, Like there's no COVID, there's no
you know, great existential excuse out there that you can
reach for. It's the second time he's got to win.
(11:51):
And that's why I'm actually very confident Trump will win.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Well, there is a way to spin it, and that
is they're gonna say it was stolen right again.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Do you think they're gonna Do you think they would
say it's stolen again the second time?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Do you have any doubt? I don't think she's because
buck she's uniquely awful.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah, but I don't know if you can get I
don't know if that will let you're right that I
think people will say that, no question, But is that
is that going to be? Like most people that I
know on the right think that there was cheating in
the twenty twenty election and that Trump would have won
without that cheating. I think that that number may go
from you know, sixty seventy percent maybe more of Republicans
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to like twenty thirty percent. You don't see it that way, No, And.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I also in a sense, I think it's irrelevant whether
she gets in legitimately or not, because as someone who
doesn't believe in democracy, there's no reason for you, if
you lose your election to take someone seriously. I mean,
this woman's a fraud. She has no mandate to governor,
even if she wins. Her views are fundamentally you know,
un American in a sense that I think a vast
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majority of like these things about like like sex change.
Her views are so nuts that journalists were fact checking,
putting forth reviews. They didn't bother doing the googling because like,
this is so crazy, she never believe it, and then
they have to walk it back. If you saw it
in New York Times, that is your correction, because it
turns out she did, in fact, advocate for federally funded
sex change operations.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah yeah, I did see that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Like it's like, oh god, you crazy Republicans are putting
words in her mouth. It's like, no, these are her
words in her mouth, you know, banning fracking, plastic. The
thing that's also funny is when she had that interview
with Dana and from CNN, and she's like, used to
be against fracking, banning fracking, Now, what's your position? She goes,
I've made it clear, I've changed my opinion. Okay, why
like what's she like? Why? Like?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
So how how has she made it clear?
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Right?
Speaker 1 (13:46):
It's always through surrogates of the campaign who are anonymously
reporting to friendly outlets like well, that's no longer as
if that ends the you know what I mean that
that that like ends the whole thing, Like, oh well,
someone of this campaign. It's it's crazy. But just quick
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but not that cold.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Right one day there's forty There was one time that
there was snow and basically all the electricity stopped working.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Oh I remember that. Yeah, they weren't really ready for
that there, And I think I think one of my
favorite senators unfortunately took a little trip to like the
Bahamas or something, or Mexico.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Can I ask you a question? Yes, it looks to
me that West Virginia is obviously going Republican in the Senate. Yeah,
it seems like Tester's a gunner. Do you think it's
a given that the Republicans take the Senate?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
I get I think they'll have fifty one. I do.
I think that the I think that the outcome of
them not having fifty one would require an astonishing own
goal kind of situation. To be fair, though, they've had
a couple of those in Georgia, which three really actually
three Senate sa it's lost in Georgia, all of which
(16:05):
absolutely should have been one at Alabama. Oh yeah, there's
the Alabama thing too. So wait, who was it in Alabama?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
It was that sheriff remember there or whatever his name was,
where they were saying he had all these weird things
in the yearbook.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Oh the yearbook stuff. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that was
a while ago. Yeah, man, I think that the Senate
is probably going to go our way. I'm a little worried.
Eric Hovedy is running against Tammy Baldwin, she's just one
of these. She just knows the Democrat system so well.
She's got like a Wisconsin accent, and she does the
whole Wisconsin thing to people in Wisconsin and she's like, oh,
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I'm a nice Wisconsin And then she goes and just
hangs out with hedge fund managers in New York, uh,
you know, with with her wife or her girlfriend or whatever,
and like goes to fancy parties and does the exact
bidding of Chuck Schumer and the Democrat establishment. Then goes
back to Wisconsin and is like, oh, no, I'm what.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
She'd meet Tommy Thompson, who had won like eight statewide
races that's when she first got elected. I'm not mistaken
that woman knows what she's doing.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
This is what I'm saying. Yeah, she's the Democrat you
don't want to run against because she knows the playbook,
she's got the funding, and you know, Huvedy is a
wealthy guy and he's a smart guy. But it's just
really tough because these Democrats, you know, they know the
game they're playing, they know how to win. So I'm
worried about that Wisconsin seat. I think that it would
probably get the fifty one. I feel very good about
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Trump's chances, mostly just because I I've never felt this
way before. I thought Trump was gonna lose to Hillary
in twenty sixteen, even though I voted for Trump. I
supported Trump, but I thought I I was like, look,
it's not gonna you know, I believe that should never
say this. I believe the New York Times. I thought
she was gonna win. And then in twenty twenty, I
thought Trump was going to win, but I had concerns,
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you know what I mean. I was like, I don't know,
So I wasn't I wasn't super surprised at the whole,
but especially people forget this. There were articles that were
saying things like, oh, whoever wins may not be winning
on election night. That happened before. Those articles were coming
out before the election, and I was reading them, I'm like, uh,
this mal in ballot thing is probably gonna really upset
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some folks, you know, cheating not cheating whatever. And then
but this time around, I just, honestly and maybe this
is like the worst attitude to take. I just can't
imagine waking up and Kamala Harris as one. I just
it's unfathomable to me, and maybe that's the worst approach
to have, but I just can't think it possible.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
I'll just make two more points. I think if Trump
does win, Ohio is going to swing Republican with the
coattails Sharon Brown. I mean, he's a solid Democratic candidate,
but Trump Ohio is going hard right, hard right, excuse me,
in recent years, and I think people don't realize how
much it's moved. I also think that if she gets in,
this would be the first time I think in like
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our lifetimes where the income and president doesn't have the Senate.
She would have fifty one Republican so that would be
really weird. And I think her agenda would be dead
on day one, so that would be very interesting to
see what would happen.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Yeah, I mean we always think of it like whoever
wins the press. I mean, I shouldn't say we always
think of it, but there is a pro there is
a tendency to think whoever win's a presidency, it's like
their agenda. And if Kamala wins and Republicans have the Senate,
she's getting nothing done. Basically, there'll be a lot of
executive orders fights in the courts a lot of investigations.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I think they're going to be out for blood. I
think going to see a lot of the COVID stuff
being investigated because Ran Paul and Mike Lee will be emboldened.
And that's to their credit.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Oh yeah, I mean, I'm still very angry that one
of my great disappointments in humanity is how much people
were duped during COVID. Is you and I talked about
this a lot during COVID, and how just upset I
was at human nature that people were just we're like
pack animals, like sheep, I mean, not like wolves like sheep.
We're just, you know, as long as we're safe and
fed and warm, nothing else seems to matter for a
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lot of people, for most people, And that there was
no accountability for Democrats, and that even people on the right.
Now I get this on my show, I'll be like,
I can't believe that they had vaccine passports for a
vaccine that was effectively pointless. And you guys don't care anymore? People, right, No,
don't care. Let's talk about, you know, the next Trump
agenda item or something. I'm like, all right, I'm.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
More upset about buck is that people and I see
this on Twitter. I bring it up. People that give
me their answers that aren't retweeted, people who weren't allowed
to have funerals. That, to me is much worse that
you couldn't say. If you care about it's all about
saving Grandma. When Grandma passes, you can't say goodbye to her. That,
to me is the unforgivable one the passports. I could
wrap my head around more in terms of Okay, it's
a new since, but this is this is well, you're
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one shot to.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Get uns Yes, but I'm Michael. I mean, I know
we're going back into COVID thing here. They didn't let
people say goodbye to their loved ones who were dying
in hospital of non COVID stuff. So you know, Grandma's
battling cancer, she's at the end of the road. You
want to give her one more hug? Not allowed?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Even if you suit give me a has met suit. Fine,
I'll pay for it. I don't care.
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It was monstrous, monstrous stuff what they did. And yeah,
I'm never letting it go and I'm never forgetting it.
And people can think that I'm crazy, but I think
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ask you this. This guy who took the shots, or sorry,
who wanted to take shots. He got shot at, but
he didn't get to get a shot off at Trump.
Seems like Ukraine is far and away the most important
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thing to this guy on the planet. What is that? Like?
How are their Americans who think that but the single
most important thing in the world is supporting Ukraine in
this moment, Like, take me into the mindset.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
I'm from Ukraine, I was born there. I think there's
a lot of this idea in the war machine that
backs the media that at any moment America. You know,
when I talk about national divorce, a lot of these
boomers come at me and say, if that happens, then
China's gonna invade tomorrow. I'm like, give me this scenario
where China invades Texas, Like like, like, what in the
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logistics here? What's the supply shap? It makes no sense,
but there is this big sense for a thing for
a lot of people. And this guy was a little
older that they have this Cold War mentality and that
you know, if you're the Domino theory, if Ukraine falls,
then tomorrow Putin's in Berlin, and then he's in London
and the next day he's in Miami. It doesn't really
make much sense. And I also, as someone from Ukraine,
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am very disheartened because it seems very clear that a
lot of NATO and other allies have a gun to
Zelyyinski's head and A're telling him you're not cutting in deal, like,
you have to keep fighting no matter how many of
your people are slaughtered, and the pointlessness continues, and that
to me is very disheartening.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
What do you think then, for that group, the end
state is the total expulsion of all Russian forces from
Ukrainian soil by military force of arms, because it seems
to me like that's a recipe for fighting for another
I don't know, ten years, fifteen years, tens of thousands
more dead on both sides at least.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Their logic would also be, well, you got to take
Putin out right, because if you did it once, you
have to teach him a lesson. So like, is that
really where you How do you get there? Like, even
if I agree with you that Putin's an evil guy
and authoritarian all this other stuff, what is your scenario
for getting him out of power? I would love to
hear it because this whole we went through this with Saddam,
which is Iraq was nothing compared to Russia, let's be clear.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Yeah, and that was.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
A whole cluster for years, including for the Iraqi people.
So what is your scenario here? So whenever people are
like you, we have to fight to the last minute.
I'm like, what is your end goal? How do you
see this ending? And never have a good answer, or
at least an answer that I find coaching.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Yeah, And I'm also I'm just sort of curiously do
you think that Do you think that Trump will be
helpful in trying to get a deal done? I mean,
do you have confidence that he will? Because that's one
area where I I can't I couldn't explain to somebody better.
Then I think he actually would sit down with Putin
and be like you're making a deal, and sit down
with his lion skin and be like you're making a deal,
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and no one's gonna tell Trump not to do that.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Russians appreciate this kind of grabbing his pants, blow hard
personality type far more than this kind of a feat
guy and his diaper in a wheelchair. Like I can
tell you from my personal upbringing, that energy would be
much more conducive because then there's no loss of face
on Putin's part. If Trump gets in his face and
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Putin's backs quote unquote backs down a little, it's not
gonna make Putin look bad If he backs down to
Joe Biden or Kamlala Harris. He's never going to live
it down back home.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
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Don't tell him I said that, Michael. The second assassination
attempt on Donald Trump just happened.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
What are your thoughts, second known assassination attempt? Yeah, Trump,
I mean, we don't know how many. I'm sure there's
many many assassination attempts on all presidents that we're not
privy to, and we shouldn't be privy to. So people
are our workarounds. I was on Rogan not that long ago,
and Rogan had asked me, do you think they're going
to do it again? And I said yes, and he goes, yeah,
me too. Immediately, I think this is I'm more concerned
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because I don't think this guy had had a chance.
It wasn't like he was closed. You know, I don't
think President Trump was actually in danger, sure, but I'm
more concerned about the fact that there's no come to
Jesus moment with the media about Okay, what's our part
in this? Because we've heard for years about rhetoric, dangerous rhetoric,
dangerous rhetoric, Gabby Gifford's, you know, all this other stuff,
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and then someone actually pulls the trigger and it's just
I don't know if you saw this. Lester Holt was
blaming Trump's rhetoric for this. I mean, did you see
how he was dressed. I mean, he had a coming.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Not only the lesser hole clip that I saw. He
says that it's Trump gets you know, Trump had another
attempted assassination. Maybe this will change Trump's rhetoric about how
it affects the Haitian migrants in Springfield. It was just
it was just mental gymnastics of the most dishonest kind
on display. But I guess this is the media has
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got nothing else because they can't show us more Kamala
that much. They know they can't have Kamala actually out
there campaigning like a normal presidential anity.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
But Bucket's also you can't have people viewing Trump as
a human being because if there was just even this
moment of Okay, this guy's terrible, His policies are bad.
You know, Like in two thousand and eight, Barack Obama
was like, I think John McCain's a great man. I
just think he's wrong and everything. If they can't even
say that about Trump, yeah, it has to be that
he's this existential demon. That and at that point it's like, well,
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if this person is this existential demon, isn't it appropriate
to take what interactions necessary? You can't simultaneously say someone
is the biggest threat to America since the Civil War
and then also claim that committing violence against them is
somehow beyond the pale.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
How do they get around that? I mean, that's people
have really picked up on this. If someone is Hitler like,
violence against them is completely justified, right or mintigated or
or manded. So how can they say Trump is a
Hitler like figure, would bring fascism to America, would end democracy?
And this is from the Kamala campaign. When you say
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someone is a threat to democracy, See that is not
a claim that was being That is, you know, routinely
made about other Republicans stretching back for a long time now.
A lot of nasty things I'll say about them, but
not they're they're going to end the country. If someone's
going to end the country, what is not justifiable?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah, and I don't know, ife you you know this,
but in twenty twenty, both Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton
were blaming the violence in the rioting on Trump's America.
And you know this is this is at his fault,
at his feet. So I am I'm concerned that they're
not concerned because if there was as much of a
meltdown over what happened, you know, in Butler, Pennsylvania, as
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there is on a daily basis about climate change, which
even if it's true, is going to take decades to
screw things up. This is happening right now in the
middle of an election year. I think one of the
biggest threats to democracy is assassinating people. Like that's a
pretty big threat to democracy. Well, you know, I get
to vote for somebody because they were murdered.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Well, and as we know, there have been assassinations that
have led to well led the First World War, have
have led to horrendous, very broad consequences historically.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
If anyone who's yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Yeah, a basic student of history would see that this
is the risk we run. I mean, I am curious.
What do you think would have happened? If let's just say,
I'm still very worried about Trump's safety right now. I
continue to be worried about this going forward. You two are,
of course, are you're crazy.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Like I mean yours food, But I mean, I'm sorry
this secret Look, I'm not a Secret Service operative. I'm
not a gunsman like you know many of your listeners are.
And I mean this with great honor, but you and
I if we went to that field in Butler, we
would have seen that roof. It's this is not some
kind of weird, you know, cryptic magic eye thing.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Well, this is my concern I've been saying this today
on the radio, Michael, is because of what we saw
in Butler. Every lunatic who thinks that they're morally justified
in going after Trump believe eves they could take him out.
You know what I mean. It's the mystique of the
Secret Service is gone. No one thinks that these are
these guys are you know, like super warriors who are
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always on it. Really they're just kind of bossy at
like charity events and uh and you know, political fundraisers
to people who pose no threat and then missed the obvious.
I mean, that's just that's been my experience with the
Secret Service, and that's that's what we've all seen in
terms of their ability to deflect threats. So, yeah, I
think Trump is under continued threat. And if they had
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taken them out in Butler, what what do you think
that what happens? What would have happened to the country.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I don't want to think about it, because there's a
couple of scenarios. One is that the mag of people,
regardless as having truthfully or not been a deep state
operation and poop really hits the fan. Yeah, or even
more likely but scarier, is that the Biden administration uses
this as an excuse to clamp down on freedoms and really,
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you know, make the COVID experience look like kindergarten because
now they can say, look, violence is out of control,
guns are out of control, We're locking stuff down in
a draconian way, and they would have a lot of
support and the media twenty four to seven would be saying,
this is what we need to do. We can't let
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this happen again. They would make Trump a martyr for
their cause.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah, that's a good point, and I think that's all.
That's all very true, which is stunning when you actually
think about it. We'll come back into this in a second.
I want to ask you about the Kamala campaign. Is
this really Is this sustainable in a way where they
can push her across the finished line or not. You know,
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even though people had very interesting opinions about the debate,
the Kamala campaign is losing. Do you think they can
turn that around owned or is this in the Is
this a campaign in terminal decline?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
But she's she's really like the mascot. I think people
need to realize that. I think on some conscious, subconcious level,
people do just like Biden was the mascot of the
Democrats in twenty twenty. No one's voting for Biden, right,
they were voting for to stop Trump. But with the
voting for the Democrats, they can easily drag her across
the finish line. There's a few scenarios. It could be
twenty twenty two where people are expecting Republican victory, and
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it kind of trickled across the finish line. It could
be twenty twenty where they do drag the carcass, you know,
into the White House, or it could be twenty sixteen.
I expect, if I have to make a prediction gun
to head, that she's going to be overconfident because of
how well that debate went for her, and she's going
to have a few more interviews and when this broad
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goes off script, that's when hilarity ensues. She's more of
a gaff machine than Biden was at his worst. So
I think there's gonna be a lot of that before
now and November. But I do think if I had
to bet mine, I would give him about an eighty
percent chance of winning. Right now.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
I've always thought that Biden because it was apparent that
he was foggy and and old, like really old, right
that even when he would say weird things, he goes, yeah,
like he's an old guy. With Kamala, You're just like,
what is wrong with this person? She's not that old,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
You heard what I said on Rogan right, No, so
you might have to bleep this out I said, going
after her, you know, you're both racist, sexist, and ablest,
and he goes ablest. They go, yeah, because she's literally retarded.
And I'm glad to report that everyone understood what I
meant by that word. Not one person thought I was
making fun of someone who is mentally disabled. Because there's
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something fundamentally wrong with her. She's either drunk all the
time like you and I. Either you or I are
any podcast host we know if we were given those
questions by Dana Bash, would have been able to give
a better Kamala answer than she did, be able to
put forth her positions better than she did. Yes, the
amateur hour from beginning, and by the other thing is,
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by all reports, as you know and as your viewers know,
she's apparently a nightmare to work with. So not only
is she awful, she's not taking notes. Now. That debate
was to the contrary. Someone sat her down and said,
here's what you're gonna do, and she did.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yeah. I think she. I think she memorized lines. I
think honestly everything she All that happened was they're like,
when they mentioned something about the economy, here's what you
say when they mentioned something. It doesn't matter what and
but people also I get a little bit of trouble.
There's even some of my own like inner circle friends,
UH I can tell you have come after me on this.
(10:45):
I'm like, guys, so like, well, they gave her the questions,
I'm like, so what. First of all, we can't prove it,
but second of all, we all know what the questions
are basically going to be. Like It's there were no
gotcha questions that were you know, who is the prime
minister of uh I don't know Botswana or or Bangladesh
or something like. It just was pretty straightforward stuff. They
(11:08):
did ask him about the Kamala you know, the race
identity thing, but you know that was just them being moderators,
were all on the tank for one side. It's not
like if Trump had had you know, had had fore
knowledge of that answer, it would have made some big
difference anyway or that question. Rather, so I think that
that gets too focused in and out. But yeah, Kamala
did her homework, which is interesting because usually she's criticized
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for being somebody for being someone who won't do the
reading before she goes in. But I mean, I think
she's a uniquely awful candidate, and and to me, Trump
has to win this because there's no way to spin
losing to Kamala Harris, Like there's no COVID, there's no
you know, great existential excuse out there that you can
reach for. It's the second time he's got to win.
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And that's why I'm actually very confident Trump will win.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Well, there is a way to spin it, and that
is they're gonna say it was stolen right again.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Do you think they're gonna Do you think they would
say it's stolen again the second time?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Do you have any doubt? I don't think she's because
buck she's uniquely awful.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah, but I don't know if you can get I
don't know if that will let you're right that I
think people will say that, no question, But is that
is that going to be? Like most people that I
know on the right think that there was cheating in
the twenty twenty election and that Trump would have won
without that cheating. I think that that number may go
from you know, sixty seventy percent maybe more of Republicans
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to like twenty thirty percent. You don't see it that way, No, And.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I also in a sense, I think it's irrelevant whether
she gets in legitimately or not, because as someone who
doesn't believe in democracy, there's no reason for you, if
you lose your election to take someone seriously. I mean,
this woman's a fraud. She has no mandate to governor,
even if she wins. Her views are fundamentally you know,
un American in a sense that I think a vast
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majority of like these things about like like sex change.
Her views are so nuts that journalists were fact checking,
putting forth reviews. They didn't bother doing the googling because like,
this is so crazy, she never believe it, and then
they have to walk it back. If you saw it
in New York Times, that is your correction, because it
turns out she did, in fact, advocate for federally funded
sex change operations.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah yeah, I did see that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Like it's like, oh god, you crazy Republicans are putting
words in her mouth. It's like, no, these are her
words in her mouth, you know, banning fracking, plastic. The
thing that's also funny is when she had that interview
with Dana and from CNN, and she's like, used to
be against fracking, banning fracking, Now, what's your position? She goes,
I've made it clear, I've changed my opinion. Okay, why
like what's she like? Why? Like?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
So how how has she made it clear?
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Right?
Speaker 1 (13:46):
It's always through surrogates of the campaign who are anonymously
reporting to friendly outlets like well, that's no longer as
if that ends the you know what I mean that
that that like ends the whole thing, Like, oh well,
someone of this campaign. It's it's crazy. But just quick
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but not that cold.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Right one day there's forty There was one time that
there was snow and basically all the electricity stopped working.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Oh I remember that. Yeah, they weren't really ready for
that there, And I think I think one of my
favorite senators unfortunately took a little trip to like the
Bahamas or something, or Mexico.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Can I ask you a question? Yes, it looks to
me that West Virginia is obviously going Republican in the Senate. Yeah,
it seems like Tester's a gunner. Do you think it's
a given that the Republicans take the Senate?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
I get I think they'll have fifty one. I do.
I think that the I think that the outcome of
them not having fifty one would require an astonishing own
goal kind of situation. To be fair, though, they've had
a couple of those in Georgia, which three really actually
three Senate sa it's lost in Georgia, all of which
(16:05):
absolutely should have been one at Alabama. Oh yeah, there's
the Alabama thing too. So wait, who was it in Alabama?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
It was that sheriff remember there or whatever his name was,
where they were saying he had all these weird things
in the yearbook.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Oh the yearbook stuff. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that was
a while ago. Yeah, man, I think that the Senate
is probably going to go our way. I'm a little worried.
Eric Hovedy is running against Tammy Baldwin, she's just one
of these. She just knows the Democrat system so well.
She's got like a Wisconsin accent, and she does the
whole Wisconsin thing to people in Wisconsin and she's like, oh,
(16:41):
I'm a nice Wisconsin And then she goes and just
hangs out with hedge fund managers in New York, uh,
you know, with with her wife or her girlfriend or whatever,
and like goes to fancy parties and does the exact
bidding of Chuck Schumer and the Democrat establishment. Then goes
back to Wisconsin and is like, oh, no, I'm what.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
She'd meet Tommy Thompson, who had won like eight statewide
races that's when she first got elected. I'm not mistaken
that woman knows what she's doing.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
This is what I'm saying. Yeah, she's the Democrat you
don't want to run against because she knows the playbook,
she's got the funding, and you know, Huvedy is a
wealthy guy and he's a smart guy. But it's just
really tough because these Democrats, you know, they know the
game they're playing, they know how to win. So I'm
worried about that Wisconsin seat. I think that it would
probably get the fifty one. I feel very good about
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Trump's chances, mostly just because I I've never felt this
way before. I thought Trump was gonna lose to Hillary
in twenty sixteen, even though I voted for Trump. I
supported Trump, but I thought I I was like, look,
it's not gonna you know, I believe that should never
say this. I believe the New York Times. I thought
she was gonna win. And then in twenty twenty, I
thought Trump was going to win, but I had concerns,
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you know what I mean. I was like, I don't know,
So I wasn't I wasn't super surprised at the whole,
but especially people forget this. There were articles that were
saying things like, oh, whoever wins may not be winning
on election night. That happened before. Those articles were coming
out before the election, and I was reading them, I'm like, uh,
this mal in ballot thing is probably gonna really upset
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some folks, you know, cheating not cheating whatever. And then
but this time around, I just, honestly and maybe this
is like the worst attitude to take. I just can't
imagine waking up and Kamala Harris as one. I just
it's unfathomable to me, and maybe that's the worst approach
to have, but I just can't think it possible.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
I'll just make two more points. I think if Trump
does win, Ohio is going to swing Republican with the
coattails Sharon Brown. I mean, he's a solid Democratic candidate,
but Trump Ohio is going hard right, hard right, excuse me,
in recent years, and I think people don't realize how
much it's moved. I also think that if she gets in,
this would be the first time I think in like
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our lifetimes where the income and president doesn't have the Senate.
She would have fifty one Republican so that would be
really weird. And I think her agenda would be dead
on day one, so that would be very interesting to
see what would happen.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Yeah, I mean we always think of it like whoever
wins the press. I mean, I shouldn't say we always
think of it, but there is a pro there is
a tendency to think whoever win's a presidency, it's like
their agenda. And if Kamala wins and Republicans have the Senate,
she's getting nothing done. Basically, there'll be a lot of
executive orders fights in the courts a lot of investigations.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I think they're going to be out for blood. I
think going to see a lot of the COVID stuff
being investigated because Ran Paul and Mike Lee will be emboldened.
And that's to their credit.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Oh yeah, I mean, I'm still very angry that one
of my great disappointments in humanity is how much people
were duped during COVID. Is you and I talked about
this a lot during COVID, and how just upset I
was at human nature that people were just we're like
pack animals, like sheep, I mean, not like wolves like sheep.
We're just, you know, as long as we're safe and
fed and warm, nothing else seems to matter for a
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lot of people, for most people, And that there was
no accountability for Democrats, and that even people on the right.
Now I get this on my show, I'll be like,
I can't believe that they had vaccine passports for a
vaccine that was effectively pointless. And you guys don't care anymore? People, right, No,
don't care. Let's talk about, you know, the next Trump
agenda item or something. I'm like, all right, I'm.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
More upset about buck is that people and I see
this on Twitter. I bring it up. People that give
me their answers that aren't retweeted, people who weren't allowed
to have funerals. That, to me is much worse that
you couldn't say. If you care about it's all about
saving Grandma. When Grandma passes, you can't say goodbye to her. That,
to me is the unforgivable one the passports. I could
wrap my head around more in terms of Okay, it's
a new since, but this is this is well, you're
(20:34):
one shot to.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Get uns Yes, but I'm Michael. I mean, I know
we're going back into COVID thing here. They didn't let
people say goodbye to their loved ones who were dying
in hospital of non COVID stuff. So you know, Grandma's
battling cancer, she's at the end of the road. You
want to give her one more hug? Not allowed?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Even if you suit give me a has met suit. Fine,
I'll pay for it. I don't care.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
It was monstrous, monstrous stuff what they did. And yeah,
I'm never letting it go and I'm never forgetting it.
And people can think that I'm crazy, but I think
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who wanted to take shots. He got shot at, but
he didn't get to get a shot off at Trump.
Seems like Ukraine is far and away the most important
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thing to this guy on the planet. What is that? Like?
How are their Americans who think that but the single
most important thing in the world is supporting Ukraine in
this moment, Like, take me into the mindset.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
I'm from Ukraine, I was born there. I think there's
a lot of this idea in the war machine that
backs the media that at any moment America. You know,
when I talk about national divorce, a lot of these
boomers come at me and say, if that happens, then
China's gonna invade tomorrow. I'm like, give me this scenario
where China invades Texas, Like like, like, what in the
(22:39):
logistics here? What's the supply shap? It makes no sense,
but there is this big sense for a thing for
a lot of people. And this guy was a little
older that they have this Cold War mentality and that
you know, if you're the Domino theory, if Ukraine falls,
then tomorrow Putin's in Berlin, and then he's in London
and the next day he's in Miami. It doesn't really
make much sense. And I also, as someone from Ukraine,
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am very disheartened because it seems very clear that a
lot of NATO and other allies have a gun to
Zelyyinski's head and A're telling him you're not cutting in deal, like,
you have to keep fighting no matter how many of
your people are slaughtered, and the pointlessness continues, and that
to me is very disheartening.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
What do you think then, for that group, the end
state is the total expulsion of all Russian forces from
Ukrainian soil by military force of arms, because it seems
to me like that's a recipe for fighting for another
I don't know, ten years, fifteen years, tens of thousands
more dead on both sides at least.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Their logic would also be, well, you got to take
Putin out right, because if you did it once, you
have to teach him a lesson. So like, is that
really where you How do you get there? Like, even
if I agree with you that Putin's an evil guy
and authoritarian all this other stuff, what is your scenario
for getting him out of power? I would love to
hear it because this whole we went through this with Saddam,
which is Iraq was nothing compared to Russia, let's be clear.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Yeah, and that was.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
A whole cluster for years, including for the Iraqi people.
So what is your scenario here? So whenever people are
like you, we have to fight to the last minute.
I'm like, what is your end goal? How do you
see this ending? And never have a good answer, or
at least an answer that I find coaching.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Yeah, And I'm also I'm just sort of curiously do
you think that Do you think that Trump will be
helpful in trying to get a deal done? I mean,
do you have confidence that he will? Because that's one
area where I I can't I couldn't explain to somebody better.
Then I think he actually would sit down with Putin
and be like you're making a deal, and sit down
with his lion skin and be like you're making a deal,
(24:33):
and no one's gonna tell Trump not to do that.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Russians appreciate this kind of grabbing his pants, blow hard
personality type far more than this kind of a feat
guy and his diaper in a wheelchair. Like I can
tell you from my personal upbringing, that energy would be
much more conducive because then there's no loss of face
on Putin's part. If Trump gets in his face and
(24:56):
Putin's backs quote unquote backs down a little, it's not
gonna make Putin look bad If he backs down to
Joe Biden or Kamlala Harris. He's never going to live
it down back home.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Michael Malice, everybody check out. You're welcome. Fantastic s with
Michael Malice. You may have seen him on his numerous
appearances on the Joe Rogan podcast by the Way, which
is almost as awesome as the Buck Sexton Side podcast here.
Almost as awesome, but great to have you man, Michael,
appreciate you making the time you see
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