Buck & Sec. Of State Mike Pompey Travel Latin America

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
You are entering the Freedom Hunt. Buck is back from
travels with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo abroad in Latin America.
I have an exclusive interview with the Secretary of State tonight.
Bus Still a bunch of fights at home on the
political front. We'll get into that and owe so much
more coming up on the Buck Sexton Show. This is

(00:32):
the Buck Sexton Show where the mission where mission is
to decode what really matters with actionable intelligence. Mag no
mistake American. You're a great American. Again, the Buck Sexton
Show begins. He's a great guy. Now, Hey, everybody, welcome

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to the Buck Sexton Show. I missed you all. I
know I say that whenever I have been out for
a few days, but I mean it, and it's true.
Although I was happy to hear that my friends Raheem
Kassam and Ben Weingarten did did a great job as
they always do, guest hosting here in the Freedom hut Man.
It was quite a trip, so I wanted to, if
you would indulge me, give you a full rundown. I

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want to bring you alongside the Buckster. And apologies for
the third third person stuff, but I want to bring
you into the trip and the insights as much as possible,
because there was there was a lot of a lot
of interesting stuff that went down here. And then we'll
get into some new news of the day and the
biggest stories and you know, oh, my gosh, Mueller's testifying

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on Wednesday and Democrats in Congress still think Trump is
a racist. I promise we'll get to all that. That's
we'll have plenty of time for that. So just by
way of of preparation for our discussion about the trip,
I would just say that if you remember that, not
only am I a conservative media personality, I kept having

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to sit in seats marked press on this trip, which
made me feel, oh, I don't know, not really press.
But I'm also a former CIA analyst, And so that's
there's a a healthy and sometimes maybe unhealthy rivalry slash
skepticism the CIA has of some of the other federal agencies.

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It's an institutional thing. It's almost like rival schools. But man,
do we have certain views of the State Department and
those they are They are rooted largely in fact, I
can tell you that there's not a lot of surprises
all with all that, for at least for me on
this trip. It is very hierarchical. It is very bureaucratic. People. Really,

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where you fall on the spectrum of how senior you are,
it determines where you sit and who gets fed first,
and who it's There's a lot of stuff that you
just have to say, Okay, you know. I mean, I
was on a plane. I'm somebody who you know, had
ad a TS clearance for many years, and I was

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on a plane and I was told, well, you can't
go ahead of this bulkhead area where these two bathrooms are.
You're not allowed to go. And I said, but that's
not a skiff for anything, it's just they're just our
state depart employees are yeah, yeah, but you can't not
allowed to go up there. Okay, I've kind of kind
of roped off back here. That's an interesting I wasn't
expecting that, but no, it was. It was a It

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was fascinating to get to see, even though I've spent
a lot of time around the federal government, in the
federal government and then interviewing various senior figures, particularly of
this administration, U seeing this diplomacy at action, and also
the countries we went to and the issues that were
tackled or a high interest. I mean this this was

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a trip where some of the primary of foreign partners
we have on the migrant crisis we're visited and there
were discussions about that. I was also a lot to
talk about the drug trade, which reminds me our friend
Joan Grillo is going to join to discuss where the
drug trade is right now. This really ties into the
migrant crisis and also some of my travels. You know,

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yone's been in Mexico City for almost twenty years now
covering the cartels and all of Latin American what is
effectively Latin American organized crime. We always think of it
as cartels, but there's something a little bit. Yeah, it's
very similar to what you would think of as organized crime.

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So now let's get into the actual trip itself. I
flew down to Buenos Aires, which I have to tell
you is a very long flight. Buenos Aires is quite
a ways away from here about I think it was

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about eleven hours in the air. So just if you're
thinking about going down there, the upside is that there's
no time change. So you arrive there and you whatever
time that you've been awake is that you don't have
to adjust eight hours one way or six hours another way.
Is there's no jet lag. So I will say that's
a very nice thing about traveling in Latin America's jet
lag is not an issue. But Buenos Aires is really far.

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Buenasaris is a city that I had always wanted to
go to because I had been told And now I
know I'm getting a little bit into the travel guide
side of this, but we'll get int the migrant crisis
and important stuff in a second. But it's a city
that was built for an empire that never existed. That's
one of the one of the quips about Buenos Aires.
And what I would say is it's clear a lot

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of European European immigrants to South America figured hey, let's
set up a European style city here. And because I
think one in three I was told Argentinians are of
Italian in descent, there's very high proportion of argent of
an Italian immigrants or Argentina over the years. Also a

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lot of Germans, something familiar with that. And it's a
city that is very beautiful but not very functional, meaning
there's a there's tremendous economic discontent, a lot of problems,
and it's because they tried to build a European social
welfare state without the wealth to support it. So it's

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it's a cautionary tale in its own way, because there's
no reason for Argentina to be as economically depressed as
it is. There's no reason other than socialism, and which
is a very big reason, I guess, But there's nothing,
you know, this isn't a country that lacks for natural
resources or natural beauty, and it's it's just frustrating to
be somewhere that is quite charming. And I can tell

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you I had I had a steak that was worthy
of I'm gonna say, at any steakhouse I've been doing
America and a delicious argent Argentinian red wine and a
couple of sides, and I think it ran me twenty
five bucks the whole thing. I mean. It's so if
you like steak and red wine, you are in very
good shape in Argentina. But if you are trying to

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find an economy that is dynamic and a lot of
things are going on, not so much. They have a
long a long way to go. But it was a
trip down there I found interesting. We visited the This
was the counter terrorism portion actually of a trip where
we visited the Jewish community center that was bombed twenty

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five years ago the day before we arrived. So it
was a commemoration of that bombing. The deadliest terror attack
in Argentine history and the deadliest Islamist terror attack or
jihadist terror attack I believe, in the history of South America.
There have been other terror attacks, notably the Pablo Escobar

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downing of an airliner, I mean, where the body counts
were higher, but this was a horrific terror attack on
a Jewish community center. So we were there for that,
and then there were discussions about counter terrorism cooperation and
how and this is where I'll be even the South
American portion of the counter terrorism fight is a little

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bit of a it's a secondary, a secondary concern at best.
They're really trying to prevent Hesbela financiers from getting a foothold.
They're trying to stuff There's some stuff that goes on
in the Tribe border area of South America, but a
lot on terror stuff. So we spent a couple of
days in Argentina. If you're if you want a beautiful

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place to go, check out where you the dollar goes
pretty far. Buenos Ares is lovely. The people are very
people are really charming, and I like them. So that
was nice, all right. So then we flew up to Ecuador,
and we didn't spend a long time in Ecuador. I
did not even I did not even really get a
great Ecuadorian meal going. We were in Ecuador because it

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was the first time, I believe in eight years that
a US Secretary of State had been to that country.
So it's been a long time since secretary estates visit Ecuador.
And this was part of a theme though, and this
is important for You're like, Buck, why are you talent
used about this? What do we take away from this
part of the trip. Argentina has a government that is

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very much trying to use capitalist principles now and reform
and be close to the Trump administration, the United States government.
They want to be partners, they want to be buddies,
which is a shift. So they've turned away from the left,
away from socialism, toward a better working relationship with the
Trump administration. Same thing in Ecuador. They've taken a they've

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taken a turn, they've taken a shift away from the
leftists and away from the Marxist political infection of South
America and gone toward a more friendly to North America.
Are friendly to us interests point of view, and they're
very if they're very important partner, mostly in the drug trade.

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A lot of the drug trade moves through Ecuador. It
has coastal cities that are ports that are very very
much trafficked by a heroin and cocaine, and so we
need them for the counternarcotics fight. Only concern that came
up when I was there in terms of geopolitics, so

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that the Ecuadorians are a little too chummy with China.
China is doing way more in Ecuador than a lot
of people realize. I think they're their biggest lender. And
this is in keeping with China's policy around the world,
which is they're trying to throw around money to developing countries,
get access to natural resources, and create allies all over

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the place that they have more strategic depth for their mercantilism,
Chinese mercantilism that's going on. So Ecuador is pretty quick
though not a whole lot of not a whole lot
to get into there. Then I went to Mexico, City.
And in Mexico City, I also interviewed Secretary of State Pompeo,
which will will air that interview for you first time

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exclusively at the top of the next hour, so around
seven seven oh five Eastern, we'll be airing that interview.
It's definitely We cover the migrant crisis, Iran tensions, we
cover China negotiations, North Korea nuclear negotiations, Venezuelan regime fighting,

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a lot of really interesting stuff we get into. So
please do a stay around, stay around for that interview.
But in Mexico City, I've never been in Mexico City before.
I've been in Mexico a few times. Mexico City is vast.
As you fly into it, you are reminded of its
enormous population and just just the landmass that it covers.

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And I forgot that. It's two things. One that it's
at such a high elevation, so people sometimes can get
altitude seconds there. I did not. And the others, well,
I knew this. Here you go. The water is non potable.
I just I don't think you can be a developed
and I know Mexico is still considered a developing country.
It's not third world. That's really in that second tier

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of up and comers, along with countries like Brazil and
but you know, we should have potable water in the tap.
I'm sorry. I'm a believer in this because it's not
a poor country. And when you're there, when you're in
Mexico City, you see a tu mean, it's a vast city,
but it also has a tremendous amount of gleaming, brand

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new construction and all these major American corporations, and I
mean it's it's a truly global, huge city. So it's
not a poor country. It just needs to be less corrupt,
have better infrastructure, and have a better working relationship I
would say with the United States on a whole bunch
of issues, including the migrant crisis, which as we now know,

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the Mexican government has said that they will not give us.
We did not know this and I try to get
this well, I don't want to primph moment an interview here,
but it did come down today that the Mexican government's
not going to give us a safe third country agreement. Right.
That would mean that people that transit Mexico to claim
asylum in the United States would stay in Mexico, which

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would in turn take away a huge component, a huge
incentive for those transitting because they say they want to
claim asylum just so they can skip the line for
immigration and stay here. If they had to stay in
Mexico the Central predominantly, but not entirely, Central American migrants,
then they wouldn't want to come across Mexico anymore and

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go through all this because there wouldn't be the real benefit,
which is not asylum, it's just easy access to the
interior of the United States. Mexico has denied us that
as of today, but they're working with us on some
other things. I asked Pompey about this question specifically, so
I'll want you to hear his answer, but I need
you to stay around until the next hour for that.

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So I'm not gonna get into the interview the Pompeo.
I'm gonna play it for you. But I learned some
very interesting things about Trump administration policy. But clearly, as
you know, I just have a thing. You should be
able in a country that has the resources of Mexico.
You should be able to drink the water out of
the tap safely. I'm not saying it has to taste great,
it should be safe and it's not. It's not potable.
There's signs all other place water is not potable. I

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know that seems small, but to me it's it's indicative
of there's something wrong here. This bliss place needs to
get its act together a little bit on some of
these issues. So we're in Mexico City, major meeting between
Secretary Pompeio at at the embassy there and his Mexican counterpart,
and we shall see when end up happening in the

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next hour on that, and then we went to El Salvador.
You know, this was for me in many ways the
highlight of the trip as a travel experience with the
Secretary of State. Which, look, it's a cool thing, right
everywhere we go is it's you're in a moving news story.
Essentially every city you go to, every meeting you're sitting in, press, spray,

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press avail that you go to, is every single one
of them is historic in a sense, or at least
is part of the news cycle. So you're you're a
traveling news show. It would be like being out on
the campaign with a major with a major political campaign, right,
I mean, you're always in the news and seeing that
happening was a very worthwhile experience. It allows me to
bring another layer of understanding and context to what I

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do here for you every day, which is talked for
three hours about everything that's going on in the world.
So that part of it was very cool. From a
a travel perspective, Buenos Autres is very charming, the food's amazing,
there's a lot of very very appealing locals. It's a
very nice place. But for me, politically, El Salvador was

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the single most interesting experience of the time I spent
with Pompeo's team. We had a long and very insightful
press conference with the President of El Salvador. I will
tell you what he talked about the migrant crisis, about
what's going on to the border, I mean, issues that

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are at the forefront of this show and the most
important news stories in the country. Right now. I will
tell you what the President of El Salvador had to
say and why it matters so much. I'll do so
in just a few moments. So team, I'm back from
my travels with Secretary Pompeio. Very very interesting stuff. We've
got the interview with Pompeo coming up at the top
of the next hour, So please do stick around for that.

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Definitely want you to hear what Secretary of State had
to say. I did tell him. I'll tell you this
before the interview, I said to him, you know, Sir,
I was disappointed I didn't get the chance to work
for you at the CIA, and you know he had
He had a good laugh. We talked a little bit
about you know, Langley stuff, which was which is fun,
and then then we got right into the meat of
the interview. But I'm I think that Secretary Pompeo is

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absolutely first class. I think he's a fantastic pick. I
thought that before he was Secretary of State, based on
what I knew of him from when he was CIA director,
because all of my friends who are still on the
inside had very positive things to say about Pompeo. They
said that he's a very very good guy and really
knows his stuff. So we'll get to that interviewed a

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little bit, but let me tell you about my time
the portion of this trip with the Secretary's team in
El Salvador. Now, Al Salvador is a very poor country.
It's a country that has had a drop in the
last four years or so, and it's homicide rate of
fifty percent, which sounds great until you find out that

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it still has one of the highest per capita homicide
rates in the world. The gang violence in El Salvador
makes it one of the most violent places on planet Earth.
It's a small country of about six million people in
Central America, which is obviously one of the major contributors
to the migrant crisis currently going on at our southern border.

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It's one of the three Northern Triangle countries, El Salvador,
Honduras and Guatemala. So I went to one of these
Northern Triangle countries, shatted meetings with the sat in, the
meeting of the press, meeting with the Secretary of State
and the president of El Salvador, and he said some stuff.
It was very interesting, various presents. He's a young guy,

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by the way, I think he's about my age. He
looks looks slick, kind of looks like a hipster actually,
and it speaks excellent fluent English. And I'll tell you
what he said in a moment. I did get to
finally try guacamole with crickets in it when I was
in Mexico City. That's right, guacamole with crickets little chirp

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chirp crickets. They taste a little bit like if you
took this scar. This is gonna sound a little weird,
but those of you who are soft shell crab connoisseurs
know exactly what I'm talking about. If you took this
skin of a soft shell crab and made it after
you had cooked it, and made it into a little
cricket shape, that's kind of so it's good. I mean,

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I gotta tell you, the cricket was pretty good. I
didn't know that it was something you put in guacamole,
but you know, protein and stuff, so that was that
was a little interesting something something that happened too. So
I'd crickets in my guacomole and some very nice mescal margarritas.
It was fun to be in a place, especially in Mexico,
where you open up the menu and you say what

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mescal do you have, and they basically could say, senor
what mesical do we not have? Oh? I like this?
All right, Back to serious stuff. Al Salvador. A few
things to note about the country. I mentioned to you
that the murder rate is among the highest in the world.
That's also the country that gave us MS thirteen. Right,

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although MS thirteen really started in the United States in
the El Salvadoran community, the diaspora here from El Salvador,
it's it's also very active there. There are other gangs
now that are fighting for fighting with MS thirteen, and
you can tell that the country is very economically depressed.
It has been ruined by economically by socialism. All these

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countries Latin America has suffered terribly because of socialism, Marxism,
social justice has done terrible things to hundreds of millions
of people generations. It's not just Cuba, which has been
clearly destroyed by communism. The rest of Latin America that

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has adopted socialism at different times has how to deal
with the consequences of it. And that's certainly the case
in All Salvador. I know, we can talk about Reagan
and the eighties and what was going on in Central
America with the communists and everything else, but for now,
just note that when I was there, I thought this
was an interesting way to get a sense of how
what kind of shape the country is in a little

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search online in the entire country, and this is a
it's placed with beautiful weather. It's very beautiful when you
look at it, when you're there, you can tell its
third world. And mean, some of you have spent time
to the third world know that whenever you have animals
wandering unpenned around, that's usually a sign that you're often

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you know, cows and donkeys and goats just walking across
the roads everywhere. And think you know that that's generally
not what you find in first world countries. I mean
there that was not the case in certainly in Buenos Arres.
And I'm talking about right outside of San Salvador, like
the capital of Elsa. I'm not talking about out in
the countryside. Just kind of an animals wandering around tin

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tin roofs and shanties. You'll see that there every They're
the in the indicators of a of a third world country,
for sure, And that's very much the case. But I
looked and I said, well, what would be the most
expensive hotel room in this country that I could find?
I could not find in the entire country hotel room

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that costs more than one hundred dollars, which for when
you those of you that spend any time traveling in
Mexico the Caribbean, I mean you can find any of
these countries, you can find a you know, it's an
expensive place to stay in Haiti. I mean you can.
There are a lot there are a lot of countries
that are very economically depressed, but there have been some
efforts and there has been some history of prosperity or

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there's some development that's occurred where they still you know,
have have pockets of prosperity or pockets of wealth in
the country. And I just thought that was really interesting.
And it has all of this coastline and yet you know,
all of this this beautiful, beautiful beach that you could
go to, and there's really no beach resorts. Now I'm

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not just saying, oh, Latin America should all just be
one big beach resort, but this is a small country.
It's on the ocean or on the water, and it's
you know, completely economically undeveloped. Well why because it's the
crime rate so high. I think it's quite clear they
probably couldn't protect the tourism industry if it really had
a tour an industry. Okay, So that's a circumstances. You

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have people that are fleeing this country, that are fleeing
this country because they feel like there's no economic hope.
And that's when you're there. That's a that's an understandable,
an understandable thing to believe. Um, sorry, yeah, I mean
it is, of course, it is on the on the
ocean that I say water ocean, I meant yeah, so

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it is a country that you can understand why there's
so much desperation. And then we had the president speak
to us. Now, the president's this young guy named Naive Bukeley.
I believe he's half Palestinian extraction. And he stood up

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and he said things that I could tell the liberal
reporters in the room, which was basically everybody except for
me and a fellow radio host who was traveling with me,
who I had a lot of fune with, by the
Larry O'Connor, great guy, great guy. Larry O'Connor's another radio host.
He's we had a lot of We had a lot
of fun together. We drank together, we exchanged stories, we

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had fun. So anyway, President Naive Bukeley stood up and
said things like we can't force them, the United States,
to give us free money. He said asking for handouts
was tacky. He said that they share goals and that
the United States wants to help us in our goals,
but the problem starts with us because we are sending

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them migrants. Wow, he said that. The issue and now
I'm not quoting anymore, but the issue is effectively, why
do we want it? Why is this America's problem. We
should be saddened as a country that we're in such
bad shape that our own people don't want to stay here.

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And that's on us. I mean, that's on salvadorance. That
is on the people, on the government of this country,
that that we would have people fleeing here. No one's
about to invade El Salvador. It's not going through a famine.
It didn't just get hit by an earthquake. They just
don't want to be there because there's no hope, there's

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no future in being there, and that's on them. It
was just so interesting. Now you could say, Buck, he's
saying what he thinks Pompeo wants to hear. Oh, that's
not really what they think. All I'm telling you is
that the expectations in in that room were for this
guy to say, we really need to get that foreign
aid back. Remember Trump said no more foreign aid for

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some of these countries cut off hundreds of millions of dollars.
In fourgn eight, President Boukeley stood up of El Salvador
and said, they've given us billions of dollars of aid
over decades. What has it done for this country? The
room was shocked. This isn't what we're here. This isn't
what Latin American leaders are supposed to say. They're supposed
to say the Yankees ruined our country. They're supposed to say, Oh,

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it's imperialist America, that's why we have all these problems.
We're not supposed to hear from a leader of a
Latin American nation that says, you know, this is on us, guys,
and they want to help us solve the problems. Maybe
we should stop pretending they the United States are the problem.
This guy was a breath of fresh air. It was amazing.
The room was shocked. I'm there with you reporters the

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Washington Post and the Voice of America, and you know
there's like AP and a John's Franz Press and at
all these different I don't even know who's in the
room other than the first couple in here. I mean,
there's all these different reports, all and local press in
there and they're all, what does this guy say? A
country can't blame itself for its own bad decisions. We
have Americans to blame instead. It was such a shift

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in thinking. Now on the foreign policy side of this administration.
You often don't hear this, but there has been a
willingness with this president who I know the media and
especially the international media, the foreign pole focused media, I

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know that they think that this president is boorish and
unrefined and incapable of thinking strategically. Look at the results, though,
There's been this whole change and outlook among a host
of Latin American countries toward more positive and closer relations

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with the United States. And part of it is that
we have a president who says, now, you know what,
the old way of just sending you checks and apologizing
all the time, that's not going to continue. If nothing else,
it does not get us what we want. We're not
just giving money to these countries. This is not supposed
to be charity. It's supposed to be foreign aid to
help them be better partners with us. And when a

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country like El Salvador can't stop hundreds of thousands of
its people from leaving traversing other countries coming into our
country falsely claiming asylum because they're really economic fagrants. Maybe
we should consider not just throwing more money at them,
and maybe there should be some sense of responsibility on
their side. Here is a tiny, impoverished Latin American nation

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that at least at the leadership level, was willing to
have or willing to show more of a sense of
accountability and autonomy and with that the self respect of
facing facts. Then you'd see in a whole bunch of
much larger, wealthier countries all over the world. I love
to point the finger in America and say, oh, they're

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They're the reason that we have all these problems. They're
the reason that things cannot seem to get any better here.
It's just not true. How does also of the word
become a place that you would be you would want
to visit, because right now I couldn't tell you that
you should visit. It's not safe, and there's there's nothing there.
It's not good, there's not a thriving tourism industry. The

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you know, there's not a lot of foreign investment, because
you would be putting your dollars in a place where
who knows what's going to happen. Who knows what the
next presidency would be like or even if this presidency
will follow through on its promises. But I can tell
you this the president's approach of let's deal in reality
and stop just doing what we've been told to do
all along by the so called smart set in diplomacy,

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It's already working. It's already showing more results than what
you would have seen. I just as an aside of
folks seeing Mike Pompeo work the room, talk to people,
work with allies, and just the ability that this individual,
I mean, he's look, he was first in his class.
And I'm gonna sound like the Pompeo amenchorus here everything.

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Guy was first in his class at West Point of
a thousand cadets, went to Harvard, started a business, was
a congressman, it was CIA director. You know, was a
member of the United States military, you know, served in
the uniform. See him out there doing this stuff. And
then just to think of what it would have been
like to be on the plane with Hillary years ago

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as she was doing this and with the hacks that
she surrounded herself with. I'm sure that some of the
savvier Latin American leaders are like, Okay, well, this is
now the serious team that has arrived. Pompeio is a
serious person. Hillary is a nightmare on a whole bunch
of levels, and the people around her were jokes when
it came to foreign policy, knowledge, understanding, and vision. So

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there has been there has been this change. It's not
one you're gonna hear about much in the press. It's
not when you're gonna hear about much from the rest
of the media. But I'm here to tell you that
Pompeio is the a team. I mean, these guys know
when it comes to foreign policy. These guys know what
they're doing. They understand how to pursue the president's goals.
The president gives them a very free hand to operate.
And you know, look, I'm very critical of the sclerotic,

(30:56):
ossified bureaucracy of the State Department because I think it
does need to be shaken. But that's going to take
a long time. It's been around forever, right, Presidents come
and go, but the Department is forever. That's their unofficial motto.
They are way too hierarchical, it's way too stuffy, and
oh you know this person and that person, you know,
they they have It's it's almost like they have a
paramilitary organization where everyone's just sitting around, you know, drinking

(31:21):
tea and eating crumpets all the time. Like they don't
need to be a paramilitary organization because they're really just talking.
That other part of it doesn't doesn't need to be there,
so that the State Department itself, there's a lot that
I think, I think should just be changed institutionally and attitudinally.
But Pompeo and his team, the senior people that I
saw an action that I got to talk to and

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speak on and off the record, and they're pursuing this
president's objectives and they are turning Latin America into a
direction that will be far more positive for them and
for us. Now, are they going to solve the migrant crisis?
The real lynchpin into all that is Mexico. Now, Mexico,
it's not a small country that's just been racked by

(32:02):
socialism for a long time and had you know, has
very little in terms of resources. I don't know if
El Salvador could stop the migrant crisis even if it
wanted to. They just don't have state resources to throw
at this, and remember it's it's they got to traverse.
It's like a two hour car ride to get out
of El Salvador and Guatemala for most of the folks there.

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It's a thousand miles across Mexico to get the US
Mexico border. So there's a lot more room for Mexico
to do something about this than there is for Al Salvador,
or for Guatemala first, and then for Al Salvador, you know,
Guatemala men for Mexico. So I do think that this
is a turning point in our relationship with the region.

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I don't know if it'll be permanent and how long
it will last, but there has been a change in
an attitude. Mexican still being a little because they have
a little more leverage. They know there's a large Mexican
diasper community in the United States, they know that there's
a lot of border trade there. There's a lot more
leverage for the Mexican government. But Trump's got leveraged too.

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So though I just wanted to share with you as
much as I could, you know, on today's show, and
if you have any other questions or any other thoughts
about this, by all means email me or send me
a Facebook message. But it was well worth it to
have this experience of seeing diplomacy and action in this way,
and I really enjoyed it. And I want to thank
the team that brought me out there too, and thanks

(33:29):
Secretary State Pompeo. Oh but we're not done, because I
got a Pompeo interview coming up, and then we'll get
into the news of the day. And oh, I don't
think I haven't thought about the squad folks and Trump
and fighting with them, and don't We're gonna dig into
because that's still good. Guess what, They're still gonna be
fighting with Trump tomorrow. I assure you that's not going away.
There's still going to be all kinds of oh Trump

(33:50):
is a racist tomorrow. I thought today we spent one
more time on the trip. Foreign policy, we don't do
it Iran. I know they seized this British this this
British ship. People are very concerned this. It would just
expect this continued misbehavior from Iran for for a while,
but they actually don't have If we're gonna talk about

(34:11):
foreign policy, I felt like I should mention this. The
Uranians don't have the time here, time is not on
their side. Their economy is imploding, they are feeling the pain.
Grabbing a ship here or there, that's just optics. That's
just trying to quiet their critics internally and trying to
see if they can rattle US and our European allies
and create divisions and separations. Grabbing a ship here or
there is not going to get the Uranians out of

(34:32):
the bind there in Now. Remember the fundamental mistake the
Obama administration made was, Oh, the Uranians are under so
much pressure, Let's bail them out now and give them
a lifeline of a deal that's way too favorable for them.
That was the mistake they made. This administration will not
do that. We've got the Pompeio interview to talk about
in a moment. Then I've got what is it this um,

(34:54):
this woman who made a race hoax charge about being
in line with too many items and all this I'll
get into that. We got your and Grillago, we got
We've got a fantastic show. I know more Latin America
that we usually do as well, at least south of Mexico.
But I was just there as I figured why not,
We'll be right back. So indeed, I was traveling all
over Latin America all on the Secretary of State Mike

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Pompeo's plane, saw some fascinating stuff and talking to you
about it today on the show. I had the chance
to sit down one on one with Secretary Pompeo yesterday
in Mexico City, right before he went into some very
high stakes and important discussions with the Mexican government about
migration as well as other issues. Here is the full

(35:38):
interview for your listening enjoyment. All right, Buck Sexton here
with the Buck Sexton Show. We're joined by Secretary of
State Mike Pompeo. Mister Sectory. We are here in Mexico City.
Thank you so much for your time, but it's great
to be with you. So let's start with the migration
crisis if we can. What needs to be done by
our Mexican counterparts to meet the Trump deadline, What have

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they done so far, and where there's still some areas
that might need to be further negotiated. So we're now
just about forty five days after the agreement that the
State Department worked out with Marcello Broaden as Ministry Foreign Ministry.
Here in Mexico. We've made real progress. There's a whole
lot more enforcement on the Mexican side, both on their
southern border and increased enforcement on their northern border as well.

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We now have processes, the migrant Protection protocols and plan
that are being executed and it has reduced the number
of illegal transits coming across our border. But it's still
too high. There's still more work that needs to be done.
We need to do this cooperatively. We need to find methodology.
There's no silver bullet, but we need to create a

(36:42):
model that deters these people from taking this track, which
is so dangerous and so harmful to so many people
leaving the Northern Triangle and transitting through Mexico. What is
the science of the Safe Third Country agreement right now
with Mexico? Do you think it will hold? People are
talking about a possible core challenge and as the Mexican
government committed to continuing to hold migrants as they try

(37:02):
to cross through and make their way to the United States.
So I'm going to talk to for mister Brod today
about the Safe Third Agreement, about all the other elements
of the combined plan as well. People tend to focus
on one thing at a time. In fact, it's going
to be a series of things that deliver this outcome,
American sovereignty, American protection at its border. It's going to

(37:22):
take more work on our side as well. So there
are many pieces this puzzle. I just would folks single
out a particular documentary, a particular theory of how we're
going to stop this. I always cautioned them that this
is a challenging problem. We have to be aggressive on
every front. Is the Mexican government sufficiently committed to helping
us in this? The only thing that matters is the numbers, right,
The only thing that matters is not words, not pieces

(37:44):
of paper, not agreements. But in the end, are we
able to successfully control our border. I've watched their re engagement.
I applaud them for that, applaud President Overdoor for taking
steps that the previous government wasn't prepared to take. And
that's good news. We've got to get to a better place.
We're still not where America needs to be. And frankly,
I think it's not only better for America, but I

(38:05):
think it's better for the people of Northern Triangle in
Mexico as well. Later today we'll be in El Salvador,
a part of a Northern Triangle. How are they handling
their end of the partnership here to deal with this crisis.
What do we expect from them, what do we want
from them? And what can they do? But we have
broadened our diplomatic engagement with the Northern Triangle. We've taken
this very seriously. Many of the folks that we apprehend

(38:27):
today at our southern border, or not only from those
three countries, but are transitting through those three countries. They
have an obligation. You know. It's interesting. I saw some
statistics on how many Guatemalans have left, how deep the
level of microation is. This isn't good for Guatemala to
have their citizens leaving either. They need their people to
want to stay in their country and their leaders need

(38:48):
to create rule of law and systems that will convince
them that that's the right thing to do. But in
the interim, we have enforcement measures and to terrance measures
that we have to put in place. And so I'll
be with the new leader in El Salvadore. I'll speak
with the Guatemalans later this week as well by phone.
There's still a lot of work to do, as they are.
There are too many people leaving the Northern Triangle and
transitting Mexico. Now switching to Iran for a moment, there

(39:11):
was obviously a downed drone Irani and drone. The Rani
and FOD ministers seems to think it did not happen.
You've already confirmed that did, in fact happen. The Iranians
have a doorway to move away from Bellico's behavior. They
have a path. What is that path? That's really simple.
What President Trump is asking of the leadership in Iran
is to behave like a normal nation. We're not asking

(39:34):
I saw last night, I saw Ford ministers or reefs
say what about the things that Pompeo asked for? There
were these twelve points that we laid out. Really these
are a set of simple request that the Iranian regime
refrained from killing people in Europe the assassination campaigns around
the world. Release saw hostages, stop your nuclear and Richmond
in your weapons program, cease preparing missiles that threatened Israel.

(39:55):
Some simple demands and for misters a reef said, well,
this would be annihilation for my country. I'll have the
words a little bit off, but he said this would
be national annihilation. Nothing could be further from the truth.
What we've asked the leadership with these longer republic that
we're on to do is to behave like a normal country,
grow your economy, take care of your own people, stop
arming proxy forces that are killing people all around the

(40:18):
world and threatening American interests around the world. If they
do those things, President Trump is happy to engage them
in a way that we engage other countries around the world.
Do you think the pressure campaign has a realistic shot
of making them concede to those requests? Remember the mission
set of the pressure campaign. The first priority was to
deny the Iranian leadership resources. Previous administration taking a different approach,

(40:39):
It said Ali Ali Oxen, for here's all the money
you can possibly stand to build out your terror campaign,
to build your nuclear weapon system, to pay nuclear physicists,
all of the things that money can deliver terror against
Israel out of Hezbollah and from Syria. The first proposition
for our campaign was to deny wealth and resources for
the Iranian leadership, and it has been enormously sucessful in

(41:00):
doing so. You can see it as Blas passing the
tin cup. Whether this will ultimately lead or on to
make the right rational decision to engage in the negotiation.
I'm hopeful, but ultimately the decision will have to be
that of the Ayatollah. And what can you tell us
about the status or the ongoing discussions with the Chinese
to get some kind of trade agreement. Obviously what has

(41:21):
been called the trade war has been going on for
quite some time, and other presidents said that there's been
some good stuff recently without a whole lot of specifics.
Where are we and what are the stumbling blocks? But
I can't give you many more specifics either. I got
an update earlier this week on the status of the
negotiations between the Chinese and Secretary of Minuchin and Ambassador
or Lightheiser. They're moving forward. In the end. The stubbling

(41:44):
blocks are the central set of issues. It is how
is China going to engage in the world. Are they
going to continue to steal intellectual property? Are they going
to continue to force American businesses to participate and invest
in their economy to transfer technology they want? The rule
of law? Are they prepared to lower their tariffs so
that they're equitable and fair and reciprocal. Those are the

(42:07):
things that are being negotiated. Those are a set of
demands that we put on every country that we trade with.
We hope the Chinese will see that that's in their
one billion people's best interest, But so far the Chinese
Communist Party has said that this is not something that
they're prepared to live with and sticking in roughly the
same geography the status of the ongoing talks with North Korea.
What reasons should the American people have right now for optimism?

(42:30):
Some obviously have been frustrated from the beginning. Others are
willing to give the president more leeway because there's been
pretty bipartisan failure on this for a while. Why should
people think this is going to work. When we came
into office, it was in a bad place. The President
Trump made a decision to engage with them in a
serious way. We're continuing to try to do that. We
hope that the working level discussions will begin in a
couple of weeks. The North Greens have to go fill

(42:54):
the promise the chairman kid May he promised that he
would Denuclaris his country, did so publicly in a written
documente set it in Trump He's told me that half
a dozen times personally they have to make a decision
that they're prepared to go execute that. In exchange for that,
President Trump has been very clear, We're prepared to provide
a set of security arrangements that gives them comfort that
if they disband their nuclear program, that the United States

(43:17):
won't attack them in the absence of that. In second,
a brighter future for the North Korean people. That's the
outlines of the agreement that Chairman Kim and President Trump
have made. We now need the North Korean negotiators to
begin to build out on those principles that the two
leaders have set forward. Is there clarity on that major
point of what denuclearization means? Absolutely. I've talked to Charemy

(43:39):
Kim about this many many times. Absolute clarity. There's no dispute.
This is the fully denuclearized, verified effort that we have
been talking about for all of this time. There I
hear people talk about whether there's ambiguity. There's no ambiguity.
And if I could just bring us back a lot
in America quickly, venezuela place where people have been for

(44:00):
a while, maybe there would be a shift in who's
ruling the country, who the president of the country is,
is obviously still in dispute. What has the US been
doing recently and what should our role be in trying
to help out somebody who is illegitimate Maduro and pushing
to power some of the Venezuelan people have already in
the Parliament has already decided should be in power with Guido.

(44:21):
Two things buck First, the transformation. You saw a little
bit of it yesterday when we were in Ecuador together.
The transformation here in South America, in Brazil, in Ecuador,
in Paraguay is enormous, moving towards freedom, moving towards democracy,
trying to get their economies back on free market footings.
That's closely related to what we're trying to do in Venezuela.

(44:42):
We're trying to get Venezuela back to that same place.
You can see what socialism did there. A decade of
destruction has now put the Venezuela people in a place
where as many as five million Venezuelans will have fled
their country over the course of the next By the
time we get to the end of this year, our
mission set is to with allies. We have almost sixty
countries now who have recognized the correct, proper duly elected

(45:06):
leader of Venezuela wan GWe though we have the OAS
and the LEAMA group each working towards the same objective.
It's worth noting Buck will two things. One, Maduro leaving
is important. He needs to leave. He's not the duly
elected leader and there can't be free and fair elections
while he's there in Venezuela. But second, while that's necessary,
the Cubans need to leave as well. A new leader

(45:28):
with thousands of Cuban intelligence and defense officials still inside
the country won't have the capacity to deliver for the
Venezuelan people. So we're using tools in the American arsenal
that caused the incentive system to change so that we
can get to that objective. Secretary of State Mike Pompeyo,
thank you so much for your time, so I appreciate it. Buck,
wonderful to be with you. Thank you all right, So
I was out traveling internationally for this one, but I

(45:51):
wanted to bring in producer Mike here for a second,
make sure I have all the facts. Producer Mike. Kathy Zoo,
who we might have on the show later this week
is a beauty pageant winner, correct, and she's come on
the radar of the leftists because of some tweets. Right, yeah, man, okay,
she was Miss America. What was the pageant? Always there's

(46:13):
a couple of the night. Yeah, think she was. Yeah,
I think she was Miss America. Miss what state was
she from? Again? And not that it really matters, but
I'll find out. Producer Mike is our unofficial beauty contestant correspondent.
So yeah, that's right. So, uh, she she she got
in trouble and and they pulled her either her state
crown or whatever it was. She won a beauty contest

(46:33):
and she's a Chinese American Kathy Zoo. They pulled their crown,
and then we find out all the social justice left
thinks that what she said is unacceptable. And I have
to say, she's not a media person. She went on
CNN and just smoked Alison Camerado, Holliston Camerata. I'm a journalist, Uh, Camarada,

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not a soubride Addison at Oh she's former Oh, Kathy Zoo,
former Michigan Very nice, Yeah, well done, Michigan. Michigan can
do something right these days. But Camarada and Zoo Part one,
this was on CNN. Oh my play nineteen. So let's

(47:19):
look at some of your posts that I think that
they had objections to. So here was one. This was
from October twenty seventeen. I think it was in reference
to some conversation about Black Lives matter. You wrote, did
you know the majority of black deaths are caused by
other blacks? Fixed problems within your own community first before
blaming others? So do you see how that could be

(47:40):
seen as offensive? You know, this tweet was on actually
in response to another person talking about how all blacks
or all cops are bad people, that they kill innocent
black people. And I think that you shouldn't just put
a blanked seaman over all cops. You know. Again, read
full tweets and contacts to make sure to fill us
to see the full story. Yeah, but I mean, I
guess your point. Did you know the majority of black

(48:01):
deaths are caused by other blacks? What's your point? That's
a statistics? And do you know who causes the majority
of white deaths? Why would you focus on blacks causing
black deaths when the majority of white deaths are caused
by white people? Why? You know? This is why people
think that that has a ring of racism to it.

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You didn't mention the white statistic. You're the person who
focused in on that statistic. That's the statistic that you
decided to highlight instead of police successive force showing those statistics,
And so this is what got the attention of pageant officials.
Why didn't you mention who kills the majority of white people?

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Cameron is. I don't know if she's an idiot or
if she just takes her marching orders from Zucker and
we'll just say whatever. I mean. She sounds like a
complete moron here. The whole thesis of Black Lives Matter
is there is is a surge and a pestilence of
racist murders of young black men by white police officers

(49:11):
in this country. That is that the theory is that
racially motivated murder is a huge problem for the black community.
By the statistics, that's a lie. Oh my gosh, book,
you can't know it's true. It's a lie. It's just not.
It is, in fact, very rare for a young black
American to be killed by a white police officer, less

(49:33):
than a hundred incidents a year, and that includes lawful
use of force incidents where some guys running at a
cop with a hatchet in his hands, trying to kill him.
Less than a hundred lethal force incidents a year with
law enforcement and a white cop and a young black

(49:53):
man or a black man event of any age. That's
so that's very rare. Three and twenty million people in
the country, less than one hundred of these incidents year
in year out. And if you were to look at
the numbers of how many are clearly justifiable, it's usually
about forty or fifty where there might have been it
could have gone either way, and there's like four or

(50:14):
five where yeah, it was you know, the murder by
murder by cop, and that does happen. I'm not saying
it doesn't happen, but it's maybe a half dozen in
any given year. Those are terrible incidents, but it's not
a it's not a national, ongoing systemic catastrophe. It's just not.
So Zoo points us out and all this thing goes,

(50:34):
why didn't you mention the what crime rates against other?
Why what is that has nothing to do it doesn't matter,
that has nothing to do it. But she's it's not
very They're just not very smart. I know they sound
they try to sound smart. At CNN. They they oh man,
they're just they're posing as smart people, but they're really

(50:55):
just actors reading lines. For the most part, they don't
know anything. And Kathy Zoo just completely crushed her. And
now here's you know the other do we do I
have time for this one? Mark? How much time do
I have left here? Before you? All? Right? Yeah? I
got so here's here's Camarda and Zoo on Kathy Zoo
on hit Jobs play twenty. So you wrote here there's

(51:18):
a try at hit job on booth at my college campus.
So you're telling me that it's now just a fashion
accessory and not a religious thing, or are you just
trying to get women used to being oppressed under Islam again? Yeah?
You know, what would you like to say about that?
And you don't see how that could be offensive? Not
at all? Um, they were you know that I went
past the booth. I was like for class already. They

(51:40):
were saying, do you want to put on a job
putting a you know over me as a No, I
don't want to. I decline wearing this you know garment.
I think that you know, it's it's really a rude
I feel like to Muslims too, that you know, to
wear their sacred garment on someone who isn't a Muslim themselves.
You know, I don't. I wouldn't want to put, you know,
a Catholic rosary on someone if they aren't Catholics. Not

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what you said. What you said, It wasn't that you
felt badly for them that you weren't Muslim. It's that
you said or you're just trying to get women used
to being oppressed under it. Yes, there are there are
so many women in Muslim countries right now who are
being stoned to death because they don't want to wear
hjab due to their husband's requirement to do so. And
I think that we should be focusing on that way

(52:22):
more than the Western things about Muslim because you know,
there's so many bad things happening in Muslim countries because
of these you know, women, and and these women aren't
being you know, crucified for not wearing a hjab, and
I think that's really really awful. Kafe Zoo is just
a lot smarter than CNN's awsome Camarada. That's what comes
across of this interview. Nothing kafe Zoo said is racist

(52:44):
and evil, you know, But the Left is full of
woke cry babies now who are looking for any little
thing to be offended by. But in the first battle
of Camarada v Zoo, Zoo took her to the cleaners. Man,
it is not even close. But what about this thing
you said Alison should really stick to like selling stuff

(53:07):
on the home shopping network. She is not. She is
not up for this debate thing on TV. We just
spoke about Antifa in the last segment and and it
reminded me of a follow up I wanted to do
to the story about how our our friend Andy No,
an intrepid, a real journalist, somebody that puts himself in
harm's way to get facts and stories told that the

(53:28):
public should know about, and that much of the media
does not want to cover because of their political biases.
Andy No has released video of right after he was
attacked on June twenty ninth by Antifa in Portland. It
was just a crazy incident, so violent police. Police are
there but do nothing. They just stand idly by while

(53:49):
law abiding citizens and while journalists, real journalists like Andy
are attacked. I think he had a brain hemorrhage. I mean,
he really got attacked. It wasn't a little. They put
him in the hospital. Uh. Here's the way that these
Antifa folks, the ones that the media is always trying
to come up with a new way of saying, oh
they're not that bad, and oh you know, let's not

(54:10):
get ahead of ourselves. Here's what they how they treat
the media. This is this is very instructive about just
how much ideology blinds leftist journals to what's really going on.
Here's how they here's how they talked to some journalists
right after they attacked Andy play four of all. I'm

(54:35):
out here just trying to cover both sides. I know,
I'm just out here to cover the whole thing. Then
I'm a journalist. I'm not for paper, not from a paper.
You don't have to be say it's the internet, didn't
have No, it's not a personal journalist. Yeah, I'm just
a guy. You guys got a bullhard these guys with

(54:58):
the round you got away. I'm walking outlet you're walking
out of my way. You move on my way right now? Way?
Why have you something? Guy? Yeah, I know I think

(55:22):
you're scaring people. Man. Very interesting. Notice how the Antifa
member here, those little liberal lunatics, wants to know if
he's in a journalist with an established outlet, and what

(55:45):
does that tell you? Why do they fear so much
non established outlet journalists, and why would they be so
fine with somebody from say CNN or Reuters or well,
from my own experience being around the press recently, the
big p press, Because there are a bunch of live

(56:05):
activists too, and we all know this. Antifa knows that
they're really not the journalists who are they're covering it
the establishment journalists. They're not looking to show what a
bunch of maniacs Antifa are. They're there to get the
police reaction in the hope that they can find some

(56:26):
photos of police and riot gear, maybe engaged in some
police brutality. That's the story. Remember, we always talk about narrative.
The narrative that mainstream journalists want to tell whenever these
incidents in Portland with Antifa, with the so called anti
fascists happen is oh, look look at these pictures of
how crazy things are, and oh look at this police overreaction.

(56:47):
It's never These are leftists who would all vote for
a Democrat for president, who think that violence against those
with whom they politically disagree is justified, and they are
part of a cohesive ideology that has chapters across the
country and acts as a domestic terrorist organization. That is

(57:08):
not the story the left wing journos want to tell.
But that's why they want to know what outlet are
you with? I mean, heaven forbid somebody would say, oh,
I'm with Fox News. You know, Heaven forbid you. You
weren't from one of the mainstream press shops that they
know that Antifa knows, you know, just like they wouldn't

(57:30):
show the photo of Obama that photographer, wouldn't show the
photo of Obama shaking hands with Farakhn before the election,
you know, just very newsworthy picture, but they buried it
because they didn't want to create problems for Obama. They
wouldn't want to show photos of Antifa really bludgeoning Andy No,
because that doesn't look good for their team. The journals

(57:52):
all pick teams these days. Friends, they just pretend not
to even Antifa knows it. By the way, nobody has
been arrested yet in that beating of Andy. Know, So
there's anything you can do if you're in the area
to help identify them and find them. Let me know,
we got we got to track down those absolute thugs
of Antifa. Now, how many times have you been in

(58:12):
line at the grocery store in the express line, which
we all know is a very important innovation in the
grocery and food service business, because if you've only got
to buy two things, it seems a little bit unfair
that you have to wait in line behind somebody who's
trying to feed, you know, a barbecue of fifty that's
coming over that same night, and it's going to take

(58:34):
twenty minutes to check out. Right, that seems like a
pretty understandable both a rule, and it's one that has
to be kind of like the quiet car on Amtrak,
which some of you at least are familiar with. It's
one that has to be enforced socially, not by socialist
but has to be enforced by all of us. Right, Hey,
you know you've got too many items, too many items

(58:54):
in your cart there, buddy or madam. So look, this
is it's one of these small incidents that is a reminder.
The one I'm about to tell you about is a
reminder that you can't go about your day to day
without possibly falling a foul of the social justice warriors.
There's just too many ways now. The social media is

(59:15):
too omnipresent for any of us to think that we're
able to just go through our lives without this possibility.
All right, So here's what happened. And this got a
lot of attention. While I was globetrotting with Secretary Pompeio
on his jet, I'm just kidding. I was like in
the way back with the press people, and you know
they had they had us penned in there like a
bunch of a bunch of sheep. But anyway, here we go.

(59:39):
This is what happened over the weekend. Georgia's state representative,
Erica Thomas down in the Great State of Georgia, said
that somebody went up to her. Well, here we actually
have her saying, what remember this is all about a
grocery store too many items in your bag incident. I'm
at the grocery store and I'm into ten out the

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out that says ten items a list. Yes, I have
fifteen items, but I'm not most pregnant and I can't
stand up for low. His white man comes up to
me and says, you lazy son of a bitch. He says,
you lazy son of a bitch. You need to go
back when he came. Bro. Wow, that's a horrible thing

(01:00:26):
to say to somebody, completely unacceptable. What a disgrace this
How did you describe again that this white man? What
a disgrace? This white man clearly racist? This white man
was for doing this. Now, before we go further, I
would just say that when somebody has fifteen items and

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they should have ten, I think it's one of those
situations where you know, if it's fifteen, maybe you let
it slide. If you want to be the one that
that enforces the rule. Though, I think you just kindly
say excuse me, but I think you have too many items.
I would appreciate it. If that's the way you say.
You certainly don't go up to somebody and yell at
them or say horrible thing. It's just not worth it.
It's not a serious enough offense, right, Like, let's not
be crazy. But here's the problem with some here, like Buck,

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I will enforce that rule. Here's the problem with the
representative Erica Turner's story. It's a lie. She made it up.
All the really bad stuff didn't happen. Oh that's right, folks.
Another high profile national media level race hoax. How many

(01:01:33):
of these do we have to see before we realize
that the left is obsessed with race because it's a cheap, quick,
easy way, the accusation of racism, for them to either
win an art, for them to win an argument, to
feel virtuous based on nothing, and to keep alive this
notion in their own heads that they are fighting. They,
the leftists, are fighting this battle against the evil white

(01:01:57):
male racist hegemony in a Erica all the time. So
here's here's the problem. Is that the man that she
accused of this, the man that she accused, showed up
at a at a press conference that she was giving
and they had a an altercation about this. His last

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name was was Sparks. Uh, this is what this is
what ended up happening here, So here we go. Christian Jennings,
who is a WSB reporter, wrote, we were getting ready
to interview Representative Erica Thomas outside the Publics, where she
said a man called her the B word and told
her to go back where you came from. Well, that
man was already here at the publics because he wanted

(01:02:45):
to speak to management. She confronted him. Oh this all.
Now we have facts, Now we have video. Hmm, here's
how that media exchange in real time went play six
and calls you a son of it. I am facing
the best that decrading me, a breating me, and I'm
not clying, No, I'm not. I'm standing right in front

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of you. And if you know how you may you
feel yesterday, if you know how you make that daughter
the police, call the police right now, they are looking
for you. I am God, you're here and I can't
be that. Everybody needs to see this man that did
this to me, and he thinks that he gets a
five minutes of fame. You think that you're gonna come

(01:03:28):
up when you see police, when you see SB SB
forty six, you think you're gonna come up here and
get a spotlight. No, you're not. The all the spot
that you're gonna get is everybody needs to see the
man that did this. So, woman that's nine months, nobody
is here for you. Huh, Eric Sparks, what's the man

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that he showed up while she's giving this press conference
speaking about seeking fifteen minutes of fame. She's the one
who wants her fifteen minutes of fame, clearly, and she
got it for all the wrong reasons. Eric Sparks, who
it was, it came out later, is a Cuban American Democrat,
a registered Democrat. So a Latino Democrat is the one

(01:04:13):
who confronted this woman. And he spoke for himself in
front of the camera so we could all hear exactly
how this whole thing went down. Play eight. She did
se message she's nine months pregnant. I said, it doesn't
matter in this case. There's no point on this case.
There's two empty lines. You don't need to beg an
express lay. Then I stayed it. She said a few words.

(01:04:37):
I stated it, well, your selfish little VCS. I did
say that. That's all I said after that, and I
walked out of publics her words stating on Twitter and
her video stating I told her she needs to go
back where she came from or untrue. I just wish
we could all have a little moment of national here

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where if racism in this country was as bad as
leftist pretend it is, they wouldn't need to constantly be
making up incidents of racism and publicizing them. I mean,
this is this is not quite on the scale of
a Jessie Smollett, which was a premeditated racial hoax. But
this is a woman who figured, oh here's my here's

(01:05:20):
my opportunity to get famous and have everybody think that
I'm a really you know, I'm a person who's been
victimized and I need their support and all this. And
it turns out and she said, okay, well, no, he
didn't actually say to come back home. You know, she's
walked that whole thing back. Didn't actually say I need
to go back to where I came from. So that

(01:05:41):
means that there's no racial exchange here, right. Just someone
calling her a you know, a a selfish B word
is not nice. And I think I'll be I think
that this Sparks Fellow was being a bit a bit nasty.
I don't think he's a hero in this. I just
think that he's not a you know, he's not a

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white male, racist, Republican Trump supporter, which is what obviously
Erica Thomas thought she'd be able to convince everybody was
going on here. That was the plan, right, She was hoping, Okay,
well I can get everyone to think that, you know,
this was an incident of of maga bigotry. Turns out,

(01:06:25):
now it's a Democrat it's a guy who just got
a little bit ticked off that she was in the
in the wrong line of grocery store. Now again, I
think that we all just need to be a little
more civil to each other. Ever, should be a little
bit nicer. But I will note that this this uh
Erica Thomas, who's a state state representative in Georgia. You know,
she's not gonna lose her job. She's not gonna live

(01:06:47):
an infamy for this or whatever. She could have ruined
somebody's life. I mean, the intent of what she did
here was to lie about someone, to brand him a racist,
so that she could then further year and brand all
white male Trump supporters, because that's always the implication. This
white male racist who's a Republican did this racist thing.

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Therefore all white male racists are like him, all right.
This is the they extract from one into many, and
the leftist will always shut this down. On the other side,
you know, it's never, oh, this guy who is representing Antifa,
that ANTIPA supports, that quoted the words of AOC about
concentration camps when he attacked this ice facility up in Washington.

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It's never, oh, he's part of a broader movement and
maybe maybe the life should tone down. It's rhetoric at
Oh no, no no, they don't do that. It's only it's
a one way street with all of that. But another
another racial hoax, another racist incident that turns out to
be fabricated. There's Now, this was a nasty incident, but
it's reminiscent of a lot of a lot of weird

(01:07:57):
things that people go through any community. I mean, I
had a woman and actually i'll tell you this. She
lives in my building in DC, and I was walking home.
This was months and months ago. I was walking home
from the hill and I was walking pretty pretty briskly
because I want to get home and I'm a pretty
fast walker. And this very small, very slight, very petite,
and rather nasty woman kind of scurried in from behind

(01:08:26):
me and looked in my face and yelled, you know,
I've been trying to walk ahead of you, and I
guess it's because we were It was the sidewalk had
narrowed a little bit because there was a sidewalk cafe,
and there were some other people coming in the opposite direction.
But I want I looked at her. I was actually
it was such a bizarre incident that I didn't even
have a comeback or because I looked at her, I

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was like, I want I mean, my brain process was,
are you a complete moron? If you really need to
get around me? Jog or walk into the street where
there are no cars at all and just cut in
front of me. But you know, if I'm not walking
fastener for you on an open street and you are
right behind me, the answer is not to walk in
front of me. After I don't know, you were five

(01:09:09):
seconds of frustration and then tell me that I'm not
walking fast enough for you. It's an open street in Washington,
d C. There's nothing, but there's nothing but open space
around me. There's plenty of places to go, but you've
chosen a lane that is right behind me. Choose a
different way to walk, move to the right, move to
the left, make a right turn at the next intersection.

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Like it was just but I was actually dumb struck
by it because it was so dumb, because she was
such a moron. I don't know what to say. So
we can all be subjected to these things where we
have to interact with somebody who's a complete nincompoop. But
you know, I didn't say I didn't call her the
B word. I didn't say anything mean. I just kind
of looked at all like huh. So that's probably when

(01:09:52):
in doubt, folks just do that, Just stare at somebody
with a quizzical expression. Don't do a race hoax. Well, team,
last week El Chapo got sent to El Prisono and
he's not going to be getting out for any time.
I believe. I think he's gonna be there pretty much forever.
So what the heck is going on with the Mexican
drug trade? Now? What is the reality going forward of

(01:10:15):
the drug war? In the absence of El Chapo. We
have with us now Yon Grillo, who is a foreign
based journalist. He's in Mexico. He's written some great books,
including Gangster war Lords, which I downloaded onto my ken.
I recommend you do the same, yo, And thanks so
much for making the time for us. Always good to
be here, buck. All right, so yo, first, let's just

(01:10:38):
do it with the El Chapo. I mean, post sentencing,
a lot of people will probably be thinking, okay, well,
this very big fish has been has been taken out
of the pond, so to speak, has it had a
what has been let me ask that what has been
the effect of El Chapo getting taken off the drug
the drug kingpin battlefield, so to speak. Well, I think

(01:10:59):
the idea, the extradition in the trial and sediking of
Old Chapel is really the culmination of the kingpin strategy
that the DA and the Mexican government have been pursuing
for many years, going after the biggest fish, and they
keep on keep on trying to get bigger and bigger.
And he was the most infamous drug trafficker in the world.

(01:11:20):
Now I say the most infamous, and I think he
was on a level of infamy alongside al Capone and
Pablo Escobar, but it doesn't necessarily translate into really his
wealth or his power. I think he was more of
an emblematic, iconic bigger in the Sinelar cartel. So the
process of him being taken down specifically and the very

(01:11:42):
other kingpins being taken down is there Nowadays, many of
the Mexican drug traffickers and the other Latin American drug
traffickis don't want the same profile. They're trying to keep
a bit more off the radar. They're not advertising themselves
in the same way wanting to get so famous or
infamous avel chap or public escobar. But the drug trade

(01:12:03):
itself continues. I mean it's a business. Americans are still
buying large quantities of illegal drug a lot of heroin
as you well know, a lot of cocaine. Crystal mess
is making a big comeback, and the Medican trascos abusing
a lot of crystal mess. And the Mexican cartels are
also in Benjonel now is what are still selling some marijuana,

(01:12:25):
although the legalizations cut some of that off. So the
trade itself carras on. You've got a host of different
figures around in the Cinelar cartel and then a dozen
rival cartels. So this multi billion footballar business keeps on
ticking away. And what kind of violence are we seeing
for those other cartels as they're jockeying for some supremacy,

(01:12:51):
and whether it's just within an individual cartel or against
each other, how much violence are we seeing among cartel members? Yeah,
very large out Now you know this has been a
continuing problem as well in the war on drugs or
in the fighting against the drug trade. Is you give
it of one monster and the worst monster takes his place,
So one of the cartels has been coming up in

(01:13:13):
with the freshmeness in Laura cartel is cartell called the
Helisco New Generation Cartel has been on the rise. They
are on the sites of US law enforcement as a
special task force against them. They've been busts of many
of their people in the United States, but a cartel
which is very paramilitary life as well in their actions.
So you know, historically they've done things like they shot

(01:13:34):
down a Mexican military helicopter using RPT seven, that a
couple of their own places like hearts here which were
assembling a R fifteen assault rifles. That hundreds of those
that are making themselves. And they've been involved in all
kinds of killings in many parts of the country, places
like Tijuana, which is now actually the most murderous city

(01:13:56):
in Mexico by the numbers. Is Tijuana right on the
board to bear with San Diego, a big battle there
with the Helisco New Generation Cartel against the Cinelar cartel
and a bunch of other places. Also they're fighting in
kan Coon needs a lot of stories about the bodies
turning up in kan coom flight their government. Also they're
they're fighting another older carteller set up, so still a

(01:14:18):
lot of violence come on and tragically, and this is
really tragic in after I've been covering this for eighteen
years and always in the hope there's somehow this will
get better, somehow, you know, we can try and make
a difference by covering it. The first six months of
this year have been the most violent on recent records.
The most violence is a modern record keeping began of
murders in the early nineteen nineties, and when we're talking

(01:14:40):
about more than seventeen thousand killings in the firstix months,
we're speaking of Young Grillo, author of El Narco, as
well as Gangster Warlords. I actually have read and downloaded
both books, so I can recommend them to you all
as books that you should check out if you want
to know about Latin American gang warfare, the drug train
and all the rest of it, the drug cartels, if

(01:15:02):
you want to if you want to enjoy the Netflix
series Narcos a little bit more, you can check out
Jon's book. But but you know, I wonder how is
this current Mexican government approaching the cartels and the war
against the cartels. I was just down to Mexico City
traveling with Secretary Pompeo, as the audience knows. And I
know there was a whole bunch of behind closed door meetings.

(01:15:23):
I didn't get to hear what was going on there.
I would just want to know are they considered aggressive?
I mean, you know, because we don't see the headlines
we used to about cartel violence. But you're telling me
there's all this violence, So what is the Mexican government
doing about it? Sure so this current government. When andrews
Manuel looks Adoors running for office, he had two different

(01:15:47):
positions in a way. On this. One was this idea
of talking about peace and reconciliation of the war being over.
And then when he was asked in fact, you know,
he's about forgiveness. And even when he was asked about
the center think of El Chappa, he's saying, oh, it's
you know, it's I don't wish anybody to spend their
whole life in prison in these kind of conditions, which
is how quite controversial. But he had to talk about

(01:16:10):
peace in some way, finding some way out of ending
this finding a piece of this thing. Is other position
that's quite different, is this idea of really returning the
power of the state. Now if you see what's been
happening in Mexico and a lot of Latin American and
roots in years. I mean, really is the route of
a lot of the people fleeing the violence and turning
up from the US border asking for asylum. Is the

(01:16:31):
kind of collapse or the degradation of governments and states
in these countries, and you see that in Mexico. So
one of his messages is the idea of re turning
the power in the state, and he talks about this well.
He's launched a new police force called the National Guard
and militarized police force moving around the country. Now, these
two positions are a little bit contradictory that he kind

(01:16:53):
of in some way had a discourse of peace, but
more of a position of finer, get the troops out there,
that those militarized please have been involved involved a lot
in detaining migrants from Central America in recent the last month,
particularly in big numbers, and a natural A lot of

(01:17:13):
the meeting you went towards was discussing but however they
should also in very try and reduce the level of violence.
He hasn't you know, in the same way as you
saw back in the administration of philippeather On, where there
was a kind of big, high profile takedowns and the
idea of putting people a capture in front of the
TV cameras. That kind of thing has gone away. So

(01:17:36):
that's part of the reason why you're not seeing this
on the news so much. And part of the reason
is simply, you know, people get weary of this. I mean,
it's very sad to say. When I first started covering this,
you know, many years ago, and when the people were beheaded,
it was a big story. When there was five beheadings,
it was a big story. By the time we got
to like forty eight bodies that being beheaded, he got

(01:17:57):
to such severe numbers. Now that could be well beheading
you twenty people killed and doesn't even make national news
in a big way anymore, you know. I was also
in El Salvador, and I've got to say, the new
president there was saying things that I think a lot
of Americans would would like to hear from any foreign partner,
that they aren't looking for handouts, that they want to

(01:18:19):
be self sufficient, they want to take the problems of
crime on head on. They want to make sure that
they can make it a place for foreign direct investment,
essentially that the president of El Salvador was saying, Look,
we know this place is poor, we know this place
is overrun with criminal gangs. We're going to turn that around.
Why haven't they been able to thus farm? And what

(01:18:40):
is what is the status of the as you put
it in your book, I mean the gangster warlords in
El Salvador most notably, but not only MS thirteen. Yeah,
there's there's a couple of things there. I mean, one
thing is it's not easy. There's not a clear blueprint
how to do this. If you look at the countries
in America and the Caribbean, they're suffering this really high

(01:19:03):
level of violence. You can talk about a dozen countries
across the place. You can go down to Brazil, Hondura,
Jamaica and to these same problems, you know, repeated from
place to place, and no country, no government, has found
a clear path on how you deal with this quite
overwhelming levels of crime. But the other thing is the
resources they have are very very small. Now in El

(01:19:26):
Salvador and Honduras is a very poor countries. And I've
been out with the police in those countries and you
see sometimes they're seriously outgunned, so you know as well
as them, you know, having you know a few, you know,
very few reasons, then a thirting a lot of the
time with the government themselves are part of the problem.
I mean Honduras, particularly a very corrupt government where you

(01:19:47):
had the president's brother, um, you know, accused on drug
traficking charges. You've got you know, widespread accusations of murders,
extraditial killing, vibate security forces. So sometimes you have the
governments themselves are part of the problems. And there really
those three things combining together. But you know, one thing

(01:20:08):
is the Central America. You know, it's very obviously, very
near the United States, very poor country. Is a small
amount of money will go a very long way. And
you know, it is interesting. I think the United States
has got involved in many countries around the world, but
these countries right on its door step, where a few
reasons who can make a really big difference, that difference

(01:20:28):
hasn't been made. Joan Grillo, everybody, author of Gangster Warlords
and El Narco Jon, stay safe down there in Mexico.
Eat some tacos for me. I'm sorry we didn't get
to meet up this time. Next time in Mexico City.
Though you've got to buy some survices, all right, I'll
buy you survetions. I dot the best places and they're
always great to chat about. All the best. Thanks so much,
my friend. Take care team will be right back. It

(01:20:50):
said no collusion, so the report was written, and the
Attorney General, based on the report, was easily able to
find there was no obstruction. There's no nothing wasting that time.
And Robert Muller, I know he's conflicted. He had there's
a lot of conflicts that he's got, including the fact
that his best friend is coming. But he's got conflicts

(01:21:11):
with me too. He's got big conflicts with me. As
you know, he wanted the job of the FBI director.
He didn't get it, and we had a business relationship
where I said no, and I would say that he
wasn't happy. Then all of a sudden he gets this position.
But you know what, he's still ruled, and I respect
him for it. He's still ruled. No collusion, no obstruction.

(01:21:33):
And this thing should have ended a long time ago.
This has been going on for two and a half years,
and we're never going to allow this to happen to
another president again. Because most of wouldn't be able to
take it. President Trump getting ready for what's going to
just be. I think it's pretty obvious, really a battle
of narratives. After the Komy I'm sorry, the Mueller testimony.

(01:21:57):
We already had Komi sank to Coomy. I still think
that's one of the best nicknames for him out there.
We started to hear on this show. We got the
Muller testimony in front of Congress on Wednesday. Oh here
in the swamp here in DC. Everyone's going to be
so excited about this, and it'll be all this focus.
I'm gonna have to watch it all day long. I'll

(01:22:19):
be all about this, paying all kinds of attention to this.
But truth be told, I think it's going to result
in very little new information. I think that the greatest
likelihood here is that you're going to have him just
repeat and this will be his strategy, because his strategy
all along was to give the Democrats as much as

(01:22:40):
he could to help them in their efforts to destroy Trump.
I think what's going to happen is that he's going
to get he's going to just stick to the script,
almost literally, and that he's just gonna say it's that
what's in the report, is my answer, or I'll repeat
what I what we wrote in the report, and you're
just gonna hear him say he's everything's gonna be about
the report, the report, the report, and that's going to

(01:23:03):
be his escape patch. They're going to try to ask
him some questions on the Republican side of the aisle
about why didn't why didn't he look into anything having
to do with the origins of the investigation, the origins
of the of the dossier on Russia collusion, all this stuff,
and he'll just say, you know, he'll say it's in
the report, or look at what we wrote in the report,

(01:23:24):
even when there is nothing in the report. I believe
that's going to be one of his strategies as well.
He's gonna be saying, well, you know, just just look
at the report. Man. That's going to be the way
that he deflects whenever, whenever he wants on everything that
he wants to deflect. But yeah, I don't expect there
to be a whole lot that comes out of it

(01:23:46):
of major consequence, because all along this has been about
trying to take down Trump and there's just no there's
no way to do more than what they've already done
on Russia collusion. They've tried everything that they realistically can try.
I just don't I don't see anything here. I don't
see anything that's going to come out that'll be particuarly
helpful to them. I mean Kelly and Conway. She certainly

(01:24:09):
look I know she's the president's counselor and really spokesperson.
In many ways she agrees with me. So there's that
eighteen president of zero concerns, except that the taxpayers are
on the hook again for this fantasy that never came
true for the Democrats who promised all of you, and
sometimes with your help, that they would be a criminal

(01:24:30):
conspiracy and collusion. The Russians helped the Trump campaign, we welcome,
we welcomed help, and it and it turned an election
where you know that's not true. Director Muller himself has
said that his report is his testimony that ought to
be respected and that ought to be accepted. We know
neither side is going to accept that it's going to

(01:24:53):
turn into a free for all of He said this,
He said that, oh my gosh, there'll be that on
both sides. Although I really do think that the Democrats
they had somebody trying to make their case for them
as the special counsel for two years, with a whole
bunch of Democrat prosecutors alongside him. So I mean, they've
had their shot and then some if we're gonna be

(01:25:16):
honest about this, Republicans have not had their shot. We
have not had someone with the kind of powers that
Muller has, with the resources that Muller had, looking into
exactly what was done in this whole Russia collusion farce
by people like James Coomey and Andy McCabe and you

(01:25:38):
know what was going on with this guy miff sued
and well, you know, you look at all these different threads,
the dossier, Christopher Steele, all of this. No one has
been able to look at that the way that Democrats
have already had Muller with full prosecutorial and investigative powers
try to make their case for them. So what I'm

(01:25:58):
saying is they've already spent their unition. We haven't had
anyone fire off rounds on our behalf, so to speak.
We've just been sitting around saying, when can this complete
sham of an investigation come to an end? So we'll
talk more about the Mueller situation as it gets closer.
But you know, I always tell you the truth here.
I respect, and quite honestly, I'm just too fond of

(01:26:19):
this audience to do anything other than tell you the
truth and what I really think. I could probably see
this all Wednesdays. That's when the whole Mueller thing comes.
That's when the swamp rats are running for cover at all.
You know, this is your people saying this on different
shows and different stations. I just I don't see it happening.
Mueller's two kg and he's remember he's not just protected

(01:26:41):
by the Democrats that will be there. They'll they'll be
there to bail him out. And Democrats will act like
spoiled children in Congress. They'll they'll scream and kick and
wind if they have to to stop a hostile line
of questioning against Muller. But then the media will just
run total interference for him and magnify whatever talking points
the Democrats give them beforehand. It doesn't even really matter

(01:27:03):
what he says. I already can tell you where you
already know what Muller's testimony is going to be. It's
in the report. We couldn't prove this. We couldn't. We
couldn't prove that. Was it a weird, shady, politicized thing
I did. I'm not going to answer that question, you know,
see you later. That's the way it's going to be.
But I could be wrong. It's rare, but it's possible.

(01:27:25):
The show ain't over yet, folks, keeping it real, it's
time for roll call. I feel like it has been

(01:27:48):
days and days team since we had a chance to
chat through the roll call. So thank you so much
for sending me your thoughts. I missed you all. I
always feel this way, and I wasn't even on vacation
this time. It's not like Buck was on the beach
hanging out drinking some low agave marks. That's kind of become.
I refuse to call them skinny margaritas because first of all,

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that none of them make you skinny. All right, you're
drinking tequila with other alcohol in there sometimes, And so yeah,
I missed you all. Facebook dot Com slash Buck Sexton
back safe and sound from my Latin American travels with
the Secretary of State Pompeo, who, as I've been saying,
is just a phenomenal guy. I mean, Pompeo and bar

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are two of the best administration officials and the two
probably the two most important jobs you have other than
Secretary of Defense. I guess you got three in there,
but those are top three. I DJ and Secretary of State.
I think you got to put that up there. But
Pompeio was a very nice guy and just you can
just tell to everyone who's working with him at State.

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Even though a lot of them are you can tell
a lot of them are Democrat career State Department personnel.
Everyone really respects this guy. He's the real deal. All right.
We have Michael who writes buck. I will buy and
enjoy any book you write. However, I wish you're writing
a history book instead of a political one. Shields High. Well, Michael,
I'm writing a book on socialism, my friend. So there

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you go. There's a there's a hint, and it will
be out by the end of this year. I am
I'm a mean, lean writing machine these days. So there
will be a book on socialism. It's going to be
pretty pretty dope as the kids. Actually, I think the
kids used to say that like the nineties, but I'm
a child of the nineties. I'd like to think I'm

(01:29:33):
a child the eighties, but don't really remember the eighties.
I'm really a nineties kid. So yeah, I think you
will enjoy the book. Hopefully please do buy it. I
would love to do a pop history thing. What I'd
really want to do would be to collaborate with a
with a career historian on one of the areas that
I like and just try to help craft a story.
And I don't know, I've got some ideas for that. Also,

(01:29:54):
I want to go back and finish more episodes of
Shields Hie. But I think the way we're going to
have to do that is We're gonna do shield Tie.
But I want to figure out a way to make
it like a download where you can it's like iTunes,
so you just download and you pay for the show.
It'll be like a dollar a show or something. But
we need to find some way because otherwise I can't
justify to the bosses me taking time offline to do

(01:30:16):
a show. If it's just all because I'm already doing
one free radio show to do another free radio shows.
It's tough. So yeah, but yes, there will be a book.
It's I mean, the book is it's being written. I'm
not just talking about it. Conceptually, I'm already chapters into it.
So there you go. Seth right, Ben and raheem rocked it.

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By the way, I picked up Basic Economics by Thomas
soul after you mentioned him a while back. It's crazy
to learn all the details on why price control is
such a bad idea. My mind has been blown at
least a dozen times, and I'm only fifty six pages in.
This should be required reading in school. Well, you know,
part of the reading that I've been doing lately, because

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I just pick things that I want to read, and
I usually have three or four books at a time
that I jump between reading. Almost done with Hazzoni's The
Virtue of Nationalism. I know he's been popping up a
lot these days here in America. He is an Israeli
scholar and author. I've also I've almost made my way

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through a book that is called The Well. It's it's
the Twelve Who Ruled, and it's about the French Revolution,
the period of the Terror Terroi. It's kind of hard
to say Roi, but are really a brutal and bloody
and chilling period of really the the rise of the

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terror under the Committee of Public Safety during the French
Revolution from seventeen. It's seventeen ninety three is the year
that this book is focused on, and it is about
the committee that's that's the twelve. Those were the twelve
who ruled. And it's fascinating. Now, I'm gonna tell you,
this book is dense. It's over four hundred some odd pages,

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but it's very it's wordy, it's long, it's been around
for a while, but it's a fascinating look into how
these really these mid level country lawyers, these middle class
legal bureaucrats, became the single most powerful entity. This committee,

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the Committee of Public Safety, that was really the executive
committee of the Convention of the French Revolution, the National Convention,
and how they would convince themselves all for the all
for the cause, all for the revolution, folks. It's so
much a preview of the terrors and the atrocities of

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the Soviet Union and in the Bolshevik Revolution and what
happened there. You can just draw all of these parallels.
The French Revolution was a revolution from the left. That
becomes very clear when you see one. There's an enormous
war on both the church. They hated the church they're

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renaming Catholic churches, the temples of Reason, and also desecrated
churches executed took real delight. Some of the committee members,
in particular the French Revolution took real pleasure in executing
and in some cases torturing priests and nuns. So there's
a war on the church and a war on the
individual as well. If you stood in the way of

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the revolution, you were effectively a counter revolutionary. And counter
revolutionary was a term that the Soviets would apply to
anyone who stood in the way of the Central Committee
or the Polite Borough and the Communist Party, and really
Stalin because there was a centralization beyond just the Committee
in the Soviet Union, where it became a dictatorship at totalitarianism.

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In the French, at the height of the terror of
the French Revolution, you had a dictatorship of twelve essentially. Well, okay,
why am I talking about this other than just I'm
fashioned by this book and the parallels to so much
of what we've seen from the left. And also it's
there's a lot of early socialist class warfare tendencies, a

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lot of class warfare discussion that is a preview of
Marx in seventeen ninety three in the French Revolution, so
much hatred of not just the aristocrats, but the bourgeoisie,
the middle tier shop owners, and that's where you get
to the command of the commands that they instituted regarding

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the economy, and you had an effort at price control.
In fact, there was a law that was passed called
the Law of the Maximum or the general maximum, and
the Law of the Maximum was just a price control
mechanism that you could depending on the severity and also
the political connections you had, and if anyone was trying

(01:34:52):
to get you, you could be executed for hoarding. They
actually had a part of this period was a ban
on people trying to keep things for themselves as the
prices rose, and then try to try to profit off
of them, and had severe punishments. But they had all
the problems instituting price controls that even modern economies do.

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The moment that you instude price controls, all of a sudden,
there are shortages, and that's because people cannot create those goods. Right.
The market sets the price. The government can say the
price is something else, but the market sets the price.
So when the government says, oh, the price needs to
be lower than what the market will will bear. Then
you have shortages because you won't have the producers won't produce.

(01:35:36):
They can't produce in many cases for the and this
is what led to some of the worst economic catastrophe
in Venezuela as well in recent years. But this was
a problem in seventeen ninety three. This was a problem
in France, which was one part of this book that
it gets into. It gets into that I think is
so interesting is that our revolution. You know, America was

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a bunch of colonies. We were not a rich country
when we took on the bridge at the French Revolution,
one of the reagons, they were able to kind of
gut it out, you know, they're able to just the
revolutionaries would stay until the rise of Napoleon, and a
true dictatorship of an individual was because the country had
so much wealth to be pillaged that even the terrible decisions.

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And this is folks, this is for me. I'd like
to say, it's something I wish I didn't say it
this way, but this, for me is a cautionary tale
about what it would be like in this country. Because
we're so wealthy, it would take a long time out
a lot for us to be so pillaged that we
become a dysfunction economically, a dysfunctional in poor country. And

(01:36:39):
all along the way, the people who were destroying the
economy living off the fruits of our labor previously built up,
living off of the accumulated wealth in this country. You
could have idiot socialists in charge for a long time
and they'd say, oh, no, it's fine, it's fine. Look,
we can pay for this. It's fine. By the time
it's not fine, because you've empty the treasuries entirely. You

(01:37:01):
find then it's too late. Right in the French revol
you know, we didn't our founding fathers did not have
the luxury, if you will, it would have been a
bad thing. But of of saying we're gonna seize all
church property, we're gonna seize all government assets and land
and and these are these are very valuable things that
we could profit from on the international market, that we

(01:37:23):
could use to buy gunpowder. And you know, we we
didn't have that backing. We don't. We had ideas and
I won't get into the how our revolution is different
from theirs right now, But the French Revolution was able
to sustain itself because they cannibalize the entire French state
and they and it was the wealthiest country in the world,
or at least the wealthiest country in the Western world

(01:37:45):
at that time, so that that went a long way.
So that's anyway, that's just but price control says, See,
you got be on price controls because this is what
I'm twelve who ruled. I'm reading about it. Oh man,
there's some stuff in there. There's a guy who was
one of the essentially one of the pro consoles that
the French recause remember the French Revolution. They are surrounded

(01:38:06):
on all sides by hostile powers that are trying to
pick off pieces of France and of trying to extend
their own empires, the Prussians, the Austrians, the Dutch, the English,
and you know, they also had descent and insurrection from
within the campaign in the Vonndeis or the Volndeans fighting

(01:38:28):
against them, as well as other areas that were taking
up arms against them. But so they sent out these
proconsuls who were given absolute authority to do whatever they
wanted to do, whatever they felt they had to do,
to suppress and revolutionize the area. And I mean this
guy Carrier, he went out and he instituted this whole

(01:38:48):
policy of mass drowning. They took all these captives from
the Volundei, which is in western France, as an area
that had rebelled against the revolutionary government, the government of
the sounds Culotte or the san Coulot. Sorry I should
not pronounce the s at the end. And this guy

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instituted mass drownings and they knew about it in Paris,
and they're like, oh well, just taking people out in
chains in boats by the hundreds and just going okay
and just drowning everybody. I mean, that's one way to go.
Real savage, savage brutality, really nasty stuff. Anyway, Price controls
never work. They never work. It's a terrible idea, and
it's basic economics as to why they don't work. More

(01:39:31):
roll call on the flip side, all right, more roll
call here, Harry Rights, Hey buck, Since you often mentioned
King Geoffrey first of his name, have you read Jonathan
Swift seventeen twenty three essay A modest proposal. Here's a
modest proposal, Allah, Joffrey, save America a lot of money.
Instead of building an expensive thousand mile thirty foot high wall,
put a ten foot interval row of six foot spikes

(01:39:55):
along the border, topped with the heads of MS thirteen
members as a warning. I think that would work. She'll
tie Harry, Harry, come on where not. I know you're
being you're you're being a little provocative here, but obviously
we're not going to be head people and put their
heads almost but I know you know that. Um, you're

(01:40:16):
just being literary. And oh, Harry, you you imp uh Erica? Right?
Can we stop calling them the squad and start calling
them the Heathers because they definitely treat American citizens like
we are. Martha dump truck. Um, I have what is

(01:40:37):
the reference to the Heathers? Producer, Mike, do you know
you're you know, Yeah, it's a it's an old movie.
I forget who's in it, but um, have you ever
seen it Heathers? No? I think that's what THERR firing too.
I could be wrong to Rider movie. I defer, I
defer to you on this, and yeah, it sounds like
I one to own a Rider movie. She she was
in a lot of a lot of really boring movies

(01:40:57):
that do not hold up. I'll just put that out there.
David Rights Rangers lead the way, Buck, I agree, bring
back the firing squad. Painless, instantaneous, doesn't require expensive doctors
or sterile accoutrement. Yeah, David, I think a firing squad
is a much I mean, I think it's just a
much more humane and I just think it's a better

(01:41:19):
way to go if we're going to be executing people
than lethal injection. I don't like this to be a
medical procedure. It shouldn't be a medical procedure. Doctors doctor
should in my opinion, including when people want it to
be this way, doctor should never be in the business
of killing people. So and I know that generally they
don't have people are gonna say, oh, Buck, they don't
have doctors. Yeah, But even if they don't have a

(01:41:39):
doctor actually administer into the vein the various concoctions, I
forget what they are that I've read about it a
bunch of times. To stop someone's heart and to kill them,
it feels like a medical procedure. And I don't think
the state should be in the business of making any
medical procedure that is killing anyone. And I know a
lot of you are saying, but Buck, what about this

(01:42:01):
and that? And there? I know there are you know,
there's a lot of medical procedures that are lethal, most
notably abortion. But nonetheless, I don't I think that fireing
squad is better. Sean writes, Hello, Buck, Trump is great
and you are refreshing, but AOC is downright depressing. By
the way, keep up with your action movie quotes Sean

(01:42:22):
a real news fan from the beginning. Wow, thank you, Sean.
That's really an honor that some of you guys started
watching me when I was just figuring out how to
do this media thing some years ago now, oh gosh,
seven or eight years ago, and that you've stayed with
me all this time and still believe in what I do.
And look, folks, when I say this stuff, I mean it.
It's not any false humility. The fact that as many

(01:42:44):
of you listen to this show every day as you do,
whether live on a radio station or on the podcast.
It's it's very special to me. It's very meaningful. I
do miss it when I'm not doing the show, and
especially given these days, I mean, I feel like everybody
and their grandmother has a podcast now. It's amazing. I
don't know why everybody thinks that they not everyone thinks
they're going to be a writer. You know, some people
know that I'm not really writing is not my thing.

(01:43:05):
I have other skills. Everyone thinks they can do a
podcast all of a sudden, it's not true. Radio I
would I would offer you is actually harder than than
doing video and TV. So if you're just doing a
podcast for all the people out there, that look some people.
If it's a hobby or you just enjoy it, that's fine.
But I'm talking about everyone who thinks this is going
to be a business. I'm just like, what this person
is an interesting to talk to you for five minutes

(01:43:27):
in person. I can't imagine them having an hour or
two hour long podcast. Marie Rights, WHOA, this is really long,
Maria Kan I will read this, but I cannot read
it on Eric, thank you so much for sending it
in though. Here we go. Josh right Buck what PPND

(01:43:48):
user endors? I alread you talking about VPN on your show,
but can't find your endorsement. Also, you do have a
site that has all your endorsements or sponsors. I could
not find them, but I think it'd be valuable. Thanks again,
Kat and Josh Shields High Well. Thank you Captain Josh,
I don't know if we I don't think we have
a site where all our sponsors are listed. That's not
a bad idea. They maybe we could put them up
on the buck setson show with all of our various links.

(01:44:09):
I think that's that'd be a good move. So I'll
have producer. Mike is the one who makes things happen.
You know, he's he's he's the guy who gets things done.
So I'll just put that on his plate, which is
already very stacked. High team. Great to be back. I'm
here every day this week. I'll talk to you again tomorrow.
She'll tie