November 8, 2023 • 29 mins
In this episode, Tudor welcomes Gordon Chang, an expert on China, to discuss the recent visit to China by California Governor Gavin Newsom. They criticize the trip and express concerns about China's influence in US politics. Chang also discusses the issue of fentanyl gangs in China and their connection to the Chinese regime, as well as China's human rights violations. The conversation then shifts to the potential impact of automation on China's economy and China's growing influence in Central America and the Caribbean. Follow Gordon on X @GordonGChang. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay & Buck Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday, Wednesday, & Friday. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. On the world stage,
we're watching Russia, Iran, Israel. But while we are intensely
watching these conflicts, there's still a lot going.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
On in the background. With China.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
You've likely noticed Gavin Newsom, the governor of California, visited
with Chinese President Jijingping. That left a lot of people saying,
what is the exactly is going on? Are they going
to kick Joe Biden out? Is Gavin newsoen going to
step into this presidential race? Actually, the President Biden's he's
having his own meeting with the President of China, or
(00:35):
maybe we should say the dictator of China next week,
and we're going to be talking all about this with
Gordon Chang in a moment, so we can fully understand
what's going on behind the scenes with China as we
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free with promo code tutor. Now, let's welcome in Gordon
Chang to the podcast. Gordon is the author of The
Coming Collapse of China and then newly released China is
Going to War.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Gordon, thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Thank you, tutor.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
So I want to.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Really quickly go to what your thoughts are on Gavin
Newsom's week visit to China. He said he was talking
about climate change with I personally find kind of hilarious
because he goes to China, the number one polluter in
the world. It's like, hey, could you help us out?
I mean, what's really going on behind the scenes with
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him visiting?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I think this trip was a disaster on many fronts.
First of all, he was repeating Communist Party talking points
about the US China relations and even the awful Biden
administration doesn't do that. So that was strike What two
was that electric vehicle? You know, I don't like them.
(03:05):
I don't have one. I don't think I'll ever own one.
But the point is, if you're going to sit in one,
it should be an American EV. What Gavin Newsom did
was he got into an EV built by b y
D Company, China's basically national champion EV producer. So he
was promoting Chinese products over American ones. That was just
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plain awful. And then of course that strike Strike three
is he runs over that little kid that Yeah, you know,
I can sort of excuse strike three, but strikes one
and two he should have been much better prepared, and
I think that he showed that he was not prepared
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to deal with foreign policy challenges if he were, for instance,
president of the United States.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
But what has Okay, I want to kind of unpack
this a little bit deeper because I could argue the
same thing with President Biden's administration, and I think there
are people who have been in government for years understand
how it works. I mean, there are just even protocols
of not walking in front of the president and not
posting pictures of your special forces overseas. I mean tiny
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things like that that are being screwed up. And I
really feel like if those tiny things, if those mistakes
are being made, and I shouldn't say tiny, because dosing
your special forces is a gigantic problem, but if you
have staff members that are that lazy, that are that sloppy,
how much else is.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Being let go behind the scenes? And how did this happen?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
There's a couple of things. You know, we all talk
about Chinese money to Hunter Biden, which then got distributed
to the rest of the family, and we're going to
learn more and more about that. Money always leaves the trail.
I'm much more concerned about possible blackmail because Hunter Biden
was Chinese soil when he was especially in troubled and
(05:03):
I'm sure that the Ministry of State Security and all
sorts of Chinese government and Communist Party units have evidence
of Hunter Biden's conduct which could be used to blackmail
the father. And that's something that we would not know about.
We'll get to the bottom of the money, but we
may not get to the bottom of blackmail. But you know,
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in addition to all of that, let's say that there
was no money, there's no blackmail. We know that Joe
Biden's instincts on China, like his instincts on almost every
foreign policy matter, there's just plain raw, you know. Robert Gates,
the former Defense Secretary, famously wrote in his twenty fourteen
memoir that Joe Biden quote was wrong on nearly every
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foreign policy and national security matter of the last four
decades unquote. In Gates is right. You know, Biden brings
to his China policy views that were out of date
a long time ago. Clearly not appropriate now. And you
know whether the reason is corruption, blackmail, or just being
playing naive and stupid, The point is that Biden has
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not been protecting the United States from China.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Biden is in that situation, but you do have Honestly,
I don't have a better term for it other than
a lot of useful idiots in the Democrat Party like
Alexanderreo Okasio Cortez, who is out there champion Hamas and
talking about from the River to the Sea and really
does this is someone who doesn't know anything about the situation.
(06:32):
I don't believe has done the research. Certainly shouldn't be
read into the security documents because she's not mature enough
to handle it, in my opinion, but I think that
we are in a real, a very dangerous situation with
young people who are getting involved in government. We have
a lot of I love the fact that we have
young people getting involved in government, but they're coming out
of this. I hate to even say WHOA, because I
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don't think it's enough. It's been a teaching of leniency
on enemies, and leniency on enemies. Not having strength is
when America falls. And I'm not saying that we're close
to that. But I'm saying that having these people who
think that there can be this Kumbaya moment worldwide is
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so ignorant. How did we get to the point where
we have congresswomen and men who believe that you can
just everybody's just going to get along and we can
have free trade. And honestly, Biden's meeting with Jijiping in
San Francisco next week. They're talking about trade, They're talking
about cybersecurity. This is after this balloon went across the country.
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This is after we had we found out that all
of our pharmaceuticalceuticals are being made over there, and we
didn't have anything during COVID. This is also in the
midst of having a horrible fentanyl crisis in the United States.
It comes directly from China. How do we how do
we get people to understand that threat?
Speaker 3 (07:57):
That's a great question. And you know, China with COVID
killed one point one million Americans. And I believe that
whatever the origins of the disease were, that Sijenping, after
it got out into the Chinese public, deliberately spread it
beyond China's borders. His regime lied about the transmissibility of
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the disease, and while they were locking down their own countries.
In lockdowns are controversial, but by locking down his own country,
he was telling the world he thought that was an
effective way to stop disease. So while he was locking
down his own country, he was pressuring the United States
and others to keep their doors open to passengers from China.
So that shows a malicious intent. So that's one point
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one million Americans according to the Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center.
But then again there's the seventy thousand Americans who died
from doses of illegal Chinese federal last year. And here
this is a failure of President Biden and his predecessors
to understand what's going on. These fentanyl gangs in China
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are large, they're well organized. They could not exist in
China's near total surveillance state without the approval of the regime.
But we know that the regime promotes fentanyl sales from
other things, and that is, for instance, Chinese diplomats provide
cover to the gangs, and the gangs launder their proceeds
for the Chinese state Chinese state banking system. So this
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is not some sort of criminal enterprise that you know,
you hear Biden talk about this is the Communist Party
deliberately killing Americans. And until we understand that we will
not be able to effectively deal with Ventanyl. We should
not be inviting siegenping on our soil. He killed seventy
thousand Americans last year. That's murder.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I mean, it blows my mind that we would allow
him to come to the United States, welcome him, host him.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Yeah, I'll give you another example. Biden always talks about, ah,
it's important to have multinational agreements. Well, we're parties to
the nineteen forty eight Genocide Convention, which requires us to
prevent and to punish acts of genocide. Biden's own State
department declared what China was doing was genocide. Trump's State
department also issued an official genocide declaration. We have been
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doing virtually nothing to honor our obligations under the Genocide Convention.
And what we should be doing is first of all,
arresting Siege in paying when he gets on our soil,
and sending him to the Hague or Guantanamo or Supermax
or something, because he has been committing genocide and crimes
against humanity, and he's also killed Americans, and it's just
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unconscionable to allow him on American soil in the way
that we plan to do.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Genocide is something we're suddenly hearing a lot about, and
a lot of people are hearing that the Israelis are
committing genocide, the Palestinians are committing genocide. I think it's
kind of one of those terms where people don't fully
understand what that means. So when you say that that's
happening in China, who is their target and how are
they doing this?
Speaker 3 (11:16):
The target are Vegas, Cossacks and other Turkic minorities who
are racially different from the hand Chinese, and China has
a program to eliminate their racial and ethnic and religious consciousness,
and that according to the Genocide Conventions, either Article two
or Article three constitutes genocide, which is defined and it
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is very clear. In addition, you've got more than a million,
perhaps many three million Leigers who have been put into
camps that meet the definition of concentration camps. We know
Wigas are dying in those facilities because China actually built
the crematorium between two of those detention camps. We know
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there's rape, torture, and all sorts of heinous crimes. This
is this is genocide on an industrial scale in China,
and the world has just ignored it. We have, especially Biden.
Biden has allowed the products of slave and forced labor
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in China to come into the United States and he
has specifically facilitated that. Shame on him.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I mean, we know that here in Michigan because we
have this battery company coming to the state of Michigan,
and this is something it's very interesting to me how
little we actually know and I say we as Americans
actually know about what goes on in other countries. And
it's to me it's very risky with our national security
for the population of America to not fully understand what
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happens in other countries. Because I just watched kind of
the conversation on social media about when we've talked about
this Ghoshen plant coming in and the instant reaction when
we say we don't want these Chinese companies here because
they're tapping into our cybersecurity, they're tapping into our communities,
they're bringing people in here to spy on us and overall,
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they do support genocide in their own country. I mean,
these are human rights violations to the highest degree. And
yet when you say that, you have the average American
who is not saying this to be a nasty person.
They're like, how can you say this? How can you
be this nasty? How can you be this you know, racist?
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And this is a terrible thing to say about these groups?
How do we not how have we been remiss in
educating people of the dangers of our adversaries?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Well, in general, American education has failed since the Cold
War for a number of reasons. We just sort of
felt that that was the end of history, as political
scientists Francis Bokiana famous, we said, And so therefore we
thought that we would integrate bad actors into the international system.
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And by doing that, what we did was we tried
to strengthen them, because we thought that as they became
more powerful, they would realize they'd have a stake in
the international system and they become more responsible. But clearly
that was not the case, and we have failed to pivot.
And that's largely because the Communist Party has been able
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to develop many constituencies in the United States, and they
do that for instance, with that Gooshen plant. They will
create constituencies in the US that make it in their
interest to support Communist Party narratives. And by the way, Tutor,
this is not just a democratic liberal problem. Some of
the most virulent supporters of Communist Party narratives are actually
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conservative Republicans, and so this is a problem that is
across our political spectrum. And if we don't understand the
malign nature of Communist Party intentions and they are malicious tactics,
we will lose our country. We are losing our country,
and we can go through that in a number of
different ways. That's a long conversation, but the point is
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the American people are oblivious to what is happening right now,
and because of that, the strongest nation on Earth, the
strongest nation in history, could easily fall.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I think it's so key what you're saying there, because that,
to me, is why we have this overwhelming US population
that doesn't understand the danger. Because Republicans and Democrats alike,
especially if you're in the business of manufacturing something, whether
it's plastic bags, steel castings, medicines, pharmaceuticals, a lot of
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these things have gone to China. So whether you are
Republican or Democrat. There was this big push to take
things to China. You know, we've moved from country to country,
Japan to China, and it was okay, this is where
the expensive manufacturing is now, and we had this kind
of global trade.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Feel like this is a good thing because.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
We can make things faster and less expensive, and you
really can get things. I mean, I remember our factory
closed because so much was coming in from China, and
people are like, hey, we can get all of these
shipped at one time.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
We just have to have a storage unit.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
But we've got a massive amount of stuff coming in
from China for less than half the price. And so
I understand that this has happened on both sides, and
there's and it takes a long time for.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
People to feel like, well, that's not okay.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
You've talked about a complete decoupling from China. They have
factories there that people live at. I mean, this is
what people don't understand is we can't do this in
the United States. The way they manufacture in China, that
can't come back to the United States. But decoupling, I mean,
some of it could, but decoupling doesn't mean bringing everything back.
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It means going to countries that are friendly, and that's
something that I think a lot of manufacturers have struggled
to wrap their minds around because they feel like they're
trapped by their end customer who's saying, you have to
get at this price, and the only way to get
it there is China. So how do you unravel that?
We were wound so tight with China right now?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
How do you unravel it?
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Well, first of all, it takes leadership from the President
of the United States. President Trump made it clear he
wanted factories off Chinese soil. He wanted manufacturing back in
the US. He took a number of steps, including the
Section three oh one tariffs to do that, but also
he renegotiated NAFTA into us MCA, which favored manufacturing in
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the Western hemisphere. You know, right now, when you look
at the major trends in manufacturing and trade, they actually
support manufacturing not only on this side of Pacific, but
in the United States as well. You're dealing with automation,
you're dealing with and that can be and that is
as cheap here as it is anyplace else in the world,
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which means that China's big advantage, which is labor costs
really are are I think eroded very fast. And the
other thing is that week after the Ukraine War started,
we can see that the safety of the skies and
the seas is no longer guaranteed, which means that manufacturing
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closer to consumers is going to be more and more
of an advantage. And this is as world trade starts
to take a downturn. So you know, for us, when
you look at manufacturing incentives and the trends making things
in the good old USA, not everything will be made here,
but we can make them in our hemisphere, you know,
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for instance, to or We've got all these migrants from
South America and Central America coming into our country. That's
because their societies are destabilized. If we were too manufacture
in their countries, they'd have jobs, they'd have a stable life,
and they would not be coming to the United States.
So we can encourage that as well.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
You talked about automation and how that can essentially hurt China,
but it will hurt China more because they do have
cheap labor because they have so many people there. So
how does that affect their economy? And when their economy
is strained. How does that affect their reaction to the
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rest of the world, because you're not dealing with someone
who I think that's the confusion that a lot of
Americans have. This is not the Western world. It's not
the same image of life, that's not the same worldview.
So when they get threatened, how do they react?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Well, cejor thing really has I think now only one
way to react. In what the so called reform era
which started at the end of nineteen seventy eight in China,
the Communist Party basically said it's primary there basis of
legitimacy was the continual delivery of prosperity. Now they can't
do that because their economy is stumbling badly, and so
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their primary basis of legitimacy now is nationalism, which gives
Cajron being the incentives to lash out in some way.
He's got to create a foreign enemy. He's got eventually
to make good on his words, which means on all
probability war someplace in East Asia. And we are seeing
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some very belligerent activities on the part of the Chinese.
And it's not just Taiwan, but it's even more so
against the Philippines at two places, Scarborough Shall and Tewod
Thomas Shall, where China is engaged in acts that could
actually trigger history's next Great war. So what we are
seeing is a Chinese political system that now has incentives
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to act recklessly and to lash out.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
What kind of influence does China do China and Iran
have in areas as like Central America which they are struggling,
There is the opportunity for those nations to also go in.
I mean, if we're being honest, a vulnerable nation can
be taken in a good direction or a bad direction
if the wrong person gets there.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Ron has operatives all throughout Central and South America. China
is probably more influential in this hemisphere below our southern
border than we are. So yeah, they are extremely powerful.
And this is too in part to China flooding the
place with money, but more a series of American presidents,
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basically all of them, have all of them since the
Cold War, have ignored our own hemisphere, the Caribbean, Latin America.
So really what we've got is this is our fault
because we've opened the door to this and by the way,
in our drive to make China more powerful, we welcome
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China into multilateral institutions like the development banks in our hemisphere.
So this is our fault.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
We have a big debate going on for the president
of the United States. I think you and I both
agree that Joe Biden is not the right person to
be president and to win the presidency in twenty four
So what are you looking for from this debate on
the Republican side and who would you say is best
position to change what we just talked about.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
I don't do domestic politics, but you know, the couple
things are obvious, and one of them is that President
Trump has shown in a number of different areas, not
just China, that he is willing to change things completely.
And so I think Trump has the mentality to basically
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change our policies on China. He started it. He turned
his back on five decades of engagement policy, which was
a great thing. He didn't complete it, he didn't have
the time to do that. But I think that he
has the inclination. When you start looking at some of
the other candidates, I do get distressed at some of
the things that they say about foreign policy. But the
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one person apart from President Trump that I like on
China is Nikki Haley, who you know, during the debates
has been very very good on China issues, fentanyl and
other things as well. And we have some candidates who
have said things about Taiwan which to me are well,
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maybe not incomprehensible, but clearly are ill advised. So basically,
one other thing I should mention in that is, whoever
the next president is, Republican or Democrat, Trump or not,
We're not going to be driving policy. It's going to
be China. China has been fueling the war in Ukraine,
It fueled the October seventh attacks against Israel. It is
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behind the insurgencies that look like wars in North Africa.
So whatever the president is, whoever it is, is going
to have to defend ourselves because I think it's going
to become pretty obvious. American is under America is under attack.
There have now been thirty eight attacks on American forces
in Syria and Iraq. One person has died, that thirty five,
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thirty six or so have been injured. This is not
going in the right direction, Tutor.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Before I let you go, I want to ask you
something about that, because I've noticed that you've been tweeting
quite a bit about that, and you've been tweeting that
it's time to pray, it's time to turn our focus
to God. This is something that our new house speaker
is talking about as well, and was recently asked, well,
where do you get your decisions from? How do you
see the world, and he said, well, if you open
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a Bible, then you'll see my world you And that
made the mainstream media go crazy and they have just
they've called him a Christian nationalist, like this is some
kind of monster that this guy reads his Bible to
get his worldview. And it has really, I mean, it
has distressed me so much because I think I see
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what's happening right now with these people tearing these posters
down of loved ones that are lost, that are our kidnapped.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
People want them back.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
And we have the mainstream media who is saying, you
cannot talk about your faith.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
You can't talk about it. It's disgusting.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
If you talk about your faith, you so boldly go
out there every day and tell people to pray. What
do you think is the future of this country if
they can extinguish Christianity.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Yeah, I don't think the US survives if that happens.
You know, we have a president who's a Catholic, but
who is not governing according to his faith, and he's
presided over the most rapid collapse of American foreign policy
or standing in the world in our lifetimes. And right
now we have what looks like the beginning of the
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global conflict, with wars in Europe effectively, a war in Africa,
and a war in Middle East, which is Asia. So
that's three continents, and the media won't you know, you know,
it looks like I won't talk about Biden's faith and
his failure to not follow his faith. So I find
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it really distressing, which is one of the reasons why
I tweet about Preyer, because not that I'm especially religious,
but I am especially concerned about the direction of this country.
And I do believe that we need to pray and
we need to renew our faith in God, and if
we do that, we'll be okay. If we don't, we won't.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
There are so many right now, all of these young
activists who are they're looking for something bigger. And it's
funny because I've talked to so many experts in why
are these young kids who aren't connected to this cause,
whether it be BLM or Palestine, that they haven't had
a real life experience, but they're going and they're being
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drawn into these causes that are causing a lot of
destruction and damaged. And a lot of folks have said, well,
it's this lack of faith, because faith has always given
you something to believe in that's bigger than yourself, and
so there is a direction to go.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
There's like a I.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Mean a guide book when he said he looks to
the Bible for his worldview, it's a guidebook, right, that's.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
The word of God.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
And that as that has deteriorated, we have seen a
country that has more depression, that has more more activism
that is misplaced, and a lot of people that a
lot of young people that are striving for some people,
but they just can't seem to find it. And I
think it's kind of I feel like it's time for
us to speak up and talk about what prayer does
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for those who are faithful and how there is a
higher power that guides us.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
And I think when.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
I saw this, you know, I saw the chaos with
this kership and I kept thinking, this is crazy, we
were making We're bringing.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Problems upon ourselves. Why are we going through this?
Speaker 1 (28:08):
But then I was reminded God always has a plan
and it's always good when I saw all of these
attacks against Speaker Johnson's faith, because I thought all of
these people are now seeing him calm, He doesn't get rattled.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Just hey, this is who.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
I am, and that's where I go for my information,
and I will lead. And I'm anxious to see where
God takes this because I think it could be very cool.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
You know, Tutor in China, which the regime is relentless
in its persecution of faith, the one thing it can't
do is it can't stop the growth of Protestant Christianity.
And that tells you a lot about renewal through faith,
and we should take that as an example and we
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should be heartened by it. We're in a free country.
We have to do all we can to renew faith
in God, and I believe that that will happen. As
you say, God works in mysterious ways, and I do
believe that He does have a plan and that plan
will save us.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Well, thank you so much for being here today. It
was a great conversation, Gordon Chang. I appreciate your time.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Thank you so much, Tutor. I had a blast, and
I appreciate the.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Opportunity, of course, and thank you all always for joining
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we're watching Russia, Iran, Israel. But while we are intensely
watching these conflicts, there's still a lot going.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
On in the background. With China.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
You've likely noticed Gavin Newsom, the governor of California, visited
with Chinese President Jijingping. That left a lot of people saying,
what is the exactly is going on? Are they going
to kick Joe Biden out? Is Gavin newsoen going to
step into this presidential race? Actually, the President Biden's he's
having his own meeting with the President of China, or
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maybe we should say the dictator of China next week,
and we're going to be talking all about this with
Gordon Chang in a moment, so we can fully understand
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Chang to the podcast. Gordon is the author of The
Coming Collapse of China and then newly released China is
Going to War.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Gordon, thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Thank you, tutor.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
So I want to.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Really quickly go to what your thoughts are on Gavin
Newsom's week visit to China. He said he was talking
about climate change with I personally find kind of hilarious
because he goes to China, the number one polluter in
the world. It's like, hey, could you help us out?
I mean, what's really going on behind the scenes with
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him visiting?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I think this trip was a disaster on many fronts.
First of all, he was repeating Communist Party talking points
about the US China relations and even the awful Biden
administration doesn't do that. So that was strike What two
was that electric vehicle? You know, I don't like them.
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I don't have one. I don't think I'll ever own one.
But the point is, if you're going to sit in one,
it should be an American EV. What Gavin Newsom did
was he got into an EV built by b y
D Company, China's basically national champion EV producer. So he
was promoting Chinese products over American ones. That was just
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plain awful. And then of course that strike Strike three
is he runs over that little kid that Yeah, you know,
I can sort of excuse strike three, but strikes one
and two he should have been much better prepared, and
I think that he showed that he was not prepared
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to deal with foreign policy challenges if he were, for instance,
president of the United States.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
But what has Okay, I want to kind of unpack
this a little bit deeper because I could argue the
same thing with President Biden's administration, and I think there
are people who have been in government for years understand
how it works. I mean, there are just even protocols
of not walking in front of the president and not
posting pictures of your special forces overseas. I mean tiny
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things like that that are being screwed up. And I
really feel like if those tiny things, if those mistakes
are being made, and I shouldn't say tiny, because dosing
your special forces is a gigantic problem, but if you
have staff members that are that lazy, that are that sloppy,
how much else is.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Being let go behind the scenes? And how did this happen?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
There's a couple of things. You know, we all talk
about Chinese money to Hunter Biden, which then got distributed
to the rest of the family, and we're going to
learn more and more about that. Money always leaves the trail.
I'm much more concerned about possible blackmail because Hunter Biden
was Chinese soil when he was especially in troubled and
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I'm sure that the Ministry of State Security and all
sorts of Chinese government and Communist Party units have evidence
of Hunter Biden's conduct which could be used to blackmail
the father. And that's something that we would not know about.
We'll get to the bottom of the money, but we
may not get to the bottom of blackmail. But you know,
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in addition to all of that, let's say that there
was no money, there's no blackmail. We know that Joe
Biden's instincts on China, like his instincts on almost every
foreign policy matter, there's just plain raw, you know. Robert Gates,
the former Defense Secretary, famously wrote in his twenty fourteen
memoir that Joe Biden quote was wrong on nearly every
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foreign policy and national security matter of the last four
decades unquote. In Gates is right. You know, Biden brings
to his China policy views that were out of date
a long time ago. Clearly not appropriate now. And you
know whether the reason is corruption, blackmail, or just being
playing naive and stupid, The point is that Biden has
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not been protecting the United States from China.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Biden is in that situation, but you do have Honestly,
I don't have a better term for it other than
a lot of useful idiots in the Democrat Party like
Alexanderreo Okasio Cortez, who is out there champion Hamas and
talking about from the River to the Sea and really
does this is someone who doesn't know anything about the situation.
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I don't believe has done the research. Certainly shouldn't be
read into the security documents because she's not mature enough
to handle it, in my opinion, but I think that
we are in a real, a very dangerous situation with
young people who are getting involved in government. We have
a lot of I love the fact that we have
young people getting involved in government, but they're coming out
of this. I hate to even say WHOA, because I
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don't think it's enough. It's been a teaching of leniency
on enemies, and leniency on enemies. Not having strength is
when America falls. And I'm not saying that we're close
to that. But I'm saying that having these people who
think that there can be this Kumbaya moment worldwide is
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so ignorant. How did we get to the point where
we have congresswomen and men who believe that you can
just everybody's just going to get along and we can
have free trade. And honestly, Biden's meeting with Jijiping in
San Francisco next week. They're talking about trade, They're talking
about cybersecurity. This is after this balloon went across the country.
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This is after we had we found out that all
of our pharmaceuticalceuticals are being made over there, and we
didn't have anything during COVID. This is also in the
midst of having a horrible fentanyl crisis in the United States.
It comes directly from China. How do we how do
we get people to understand that threat?
Speaker 3 (07:57):
That's a great question. And you know, China with COVID
killed one point one million Americans. And I believe that
whatever the origins of the disease were, that Sijenping, after
it got out into the Chinese public, deliberately spread it
beyond China's borders. His regime lied about the transmissibility of
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the disease, and while they were locking down their own countries.
In lockdowns are controversial, but by locking down his own country,
he was telling the world he thought that was an
effective way to stop disease. So while he was locking
down his own country, he was pressuring the United States
and others to keep their doors open to passengers from China.
So that shows a malicious intent. So that's one point
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one million Americans according to the Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center.
But then again there's the seventy thousand Americans who died
from doses of illegal Chinese federal last year. And here
this is a failure of President Biden and his predecessors
to understand what's going on. These fentanyl gangs in China
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are large, they're well organized. They could not exist in
China's near total surveillance state without the approval of the regime.
But we know that the regime promotes fentanyl sales from
other things, and that is, for instance, Chinese diplomats provide
cover to the gangs, and the gangs launder their proceeds
for the Chinese state Chinese state banking system. So this
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is not some sort of criminal enterprise that you know,
you hear Biden talk about this is the Communist Party
deliberately killing Americans. And until we understand that we will
not be able to effectively deal with Ventanyl. We should
not be inviting siegenping on our soil. He killed seventy
thousand Americans last year. That's murder.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I mean, it blows my mind that we would allow
him to come to the United States, welcome him, host him.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Yeah, I'll give you another example. Biden always talks about, ah,
it's important to have multinational agreements. Well, we're parties to
the nineteen forty eight Genocide Convention, which requires us to
prevent and to punish acts of genocide. Biden's own State
department declared what China was doing was genocide. Trump's State
department also issued an official genocide declaration. We have been
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doing virtually nothing to honor our obligations under the Genocide Convention.
And what we should be doing is first of all,
arresting Siege in paying when he gets on our soil,
and sending him to the Hague or Guantanamo or Supermax
or something, because he has been committing genocide and crimes
against humanity, and he's also killed Americans, and it's just
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unconscionable to allow him on American soil in the way
that we plan to do.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Genocide is something we're suddenly hearing a lot about, and
a lot of people are hearing that the Israelis are
committing genocide, the Palestinians are committing genocide. I think it's
kind of one of those terms where people don't fully
understand what that means. So when you say that that's
happening in China, who is their target and how are
they doing this?
Speaker 3 (11:16):
The target are Vegas, Cossacks and other Turkic minorities who
are racially different from the hand Chinese, and China has
a program to eliminate their racial and ethnic and religious consciousness,
and that according to the Genocide Conventions, either Article two
or Article three constitutes genocide, which is defined and it
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is very clear. In addition, you've got more than a million,
perhaps many three million Leigers who have been put into
camps that meet the definition of concentration camps. We know
Wigas are dying in those facilities because China actually built
the crematorium between two of those detention camps. We know
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there's rape, torture, and all sorts of heinous crimes. This
is this is genocide on an industrial scale in China,
and the world has just ignored it. We have, especially Biden.
Biden has allowed the products of slave and forced labor
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in China to come into the United States and he
has specifically facilitated that. Shame on him.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I mean, we know that here in Michigan because we
have this battery company coming to the state of Michigan,
and this is something it's very interesting to me how
little we actually know and I say we as Americans
actually know about what goes on in other countries. And
it's to me it's very risky with our national security
for the population of America to not fully understand what
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happens in other countries. Because I just watched kind of
the conversation on social media about when we've talked about
this Ghoshen plant coming in and the instant reaction when
we say we don't want these Chinese companies here because
they're tapping into our cybersecurity, they're tapping into our communities,
they're bringing people in here to spy on us and overall,
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they do support genocide in their own country. I mean,
these are human rights violations to the highest degree. And
yet when you say that, you have the average American
who is not saying this to be a nasty person.
They're like, how can you say this? How can you
be this nasty? How can you be this you know, racist?
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And this is a terrible thing to say about these groups?
How do we not how have we been remiss in
educating people of the dangers of our adversaries?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Well, in general, American education has failed since the Cold
War for a number of reasons. We just sort of
felt that that was the end of history, as political
scientists Francis Bokiana famous, we said, And so therefore we
thought that we would integrate bad actors into the international system.
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And by doing that, what we did was we tried
to strengthen them, because we thought that as they became
more powerful, they would realize they'd have a stake in
the international system and they become more responsible. But clearly
that was not the case, and we have failed to pivot.
And that's largely because the Communist Party has been able
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to develop many constituencies in the United States, and they
do that for instance, with that Gooshen plant. They will
create constituencies in the US that make it in their
interest to support Communist Party narratives. And by the way, Tutor,
this is not just a democratic liberal problem. Some of
the most virulent supporters of Communist Party narratives are actually
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conservative Republicans, and so this is a problem that is
across our political spectrum. And if we don't understand the
malign nature of Communist Party intentions and they are malicious tactics,
we will lose our country. We are losing our country,
and we can go through that in a number of
different ways. That's a long conversation, but the point is
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the American people are oblivious to what is happening right now,
and because of that, the strongest nation on Earth, the
strongest nation in history, could easily fall.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I think it's so key what you're saying there, because that,
to me, is why we have this overwhelming US population
that doesn't understand the danger. Because Republicans and Democrats alike,
especially if you're in the business of manufacturing something, whether
it's plastic bags, steel castings, medicines, pharmaceuticals, a lot of
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these things have gone to China. So whether you are
Republican or Democrat. There was this big push to take
things to China. You know, we've moved from country to country,
Japan to China, and it was okay, this is where
the expensive manufacturing is now, and we had this kind
of global trade.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Feel like this is a good thing because.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
We can make things faster and less expensive, and you
really can get things. I mean, I remember our factory
closed because so much was coming in from China, and
people are like, hey, we can get all of these
shipped at one time.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
We just have to have a storage unit.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
But we've got a massive amount of stuff coming in
from China for less than half the price. And so
I understand that this has happened on both sides, and
there's and it takes a long time for.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
People to feel like, well, that's not okay.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
You've talked about a complete decoupling from China. They have
factories there that people live at. I mean, this is
what people don't understand is we can't do this in
the United States. The way they manufacture in China, that
can't come back to the United States. But decoupling, I mean,
some of it could, but decoupling doesn't mean bringing everything back.
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It means going to countries that are friendly, and that's
something that I think a lot of manufacturers have struggled
to wrap their minds around because they feel like they're
trapped by their end customer who's saying, you have to
get at this price, and the only way to get
it there is China. So how do you unravel that?
We were wound so tight with China right now?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
How do you unravel it?
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Well, first of all, it takes leadership from the President
of the United States. President Trump made it clear he
wanted factories off Chinese soil. He wanted manufacturing back in
the US. He took a number of steps, including the
Section three oh one tariffs to do that, but also
he renegotiated NAFTA into us MCA, which favored manufacturing in
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the Western hemisphere. You know, right now, when you look
at the major trends in manufacturing and trade, they actually
support manufacturing not only on this side of Pacific, but
in the United States as well. You're dealing with automation,
you're dealing with and that can be and that is
as cheap here as it is anyplace else in the world,
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which means that China's big advantage, which is labor costs
really are are I think eroded very fast. And the
other thing is that week after the Ukraine War started,
we can see that the safety of the skies and
the seas is no longer guaranteed, which means that manufacturing
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closer to consumers is going to be more and more
of an advantage. And this is as world trade starts
to take a downturn. So you know, for us, when
you look at manufacturing incentives and the trends making things
in the good old USA, not everything will be made here,
but we can make them in our hemisphere, you know,
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for instance, to or We've got all these migrants from
South America and Central America coming into our country. That's
because their societies are destabilized. If we were too manufacture
in their countries, they'd have jobs, they'd have a stable life,
and they would not be coming to the United States.
So we can encourage that as well.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
You talked about automation and how that can essentially hurt China,
but it will hurt China more because they do have
cheap labor because they have so many people there. So
how does that affect their economy? And when their economy
is strained. How does that affect their reaction to the
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rest of the world, because you're not dealing with someone
who I think that's the confusion that a lot of
Americans have. This is not the Western world. It's not
the same image of life, that's not the same worldview.
So when they get threatened, how do they react?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Well, cejor thing really has I think now only one
way to react. In what the so called reform era
which started at the end of nineteen seventy eight in China,
the Communist Party basically said it's primary there basis of
legitimacy was the continual delivery of prosperity. Now they can't
do that because their economy is stumbling badly, and so
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their primary basis of legitimacy now is nationalism, which gives
Cajron being the incentives to lash out in some way.
He's got to create a foreign enemy. He's got eventually
to make good on his words, which means on all
probability war someplace in East Asia. And we are seeing
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some very belligerent activities on the part of the Chinese.
And it's not just Taiwan, but it's even more so
against the Philippines at two places, Scarborough Shall and Tewod
Thomas Shall, where China is engaged in acts that could
actually trigger history's next Great war. So what we are
seeing is a Chinese political system that now has incentives
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to act recklessly and to lash out.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
What kind of influence does China do China and Iran
have in areas as like Central America which they are struggling,
There is the opportunity for those nations to also go in.
I mean, if we're being honest, a vulnerable nation can
be taken in a good direction or a bad direction
if the wrong person gets there.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Ron has operatives all throughout Central and South America. China
is probably more influential in this hemisphere below our southern
border than we are. So yeah, they are extremely powerful.
And this is too in part to China flooding the
place with money, but more a series of American presidents,
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basically all of them, have all of them since the
Cold War, have ignored our own hemisphere, the Caribbean, Latin America.
So really what we've got is this is our fault
because we've opened the door to this and by the way,
in our drive to make China more powerful, we welcome
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China into multilateral institutions like the development banks in our hemisphere.
So this is our fault.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
We have a big debate going on for the president
of the United States. I think you and I both
agree that Joe Biden is not the right person to
be president and to win the presidency in twenty four
So what are you looking for from this debate on
the Republican side and who would you say is best
position to change what we just talked about.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
I don't do domestic politics, but you know, the couple
things are obvious, and one of them is that President
Trump has shown in a number of different areas, not
just China, that he is willing to change things completely.
And so I think Trump has the mentality to basically
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change our policies on China. He started it. He turned
his back on five decades of engagement policy, which was
a great thing. He didn't complete it, he didn't have
the time to do that. But I think that he
has the inclination. When you start looking at some of
the other candidates, I do get distressed at some of
the things that they say about foreign policy. But the
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one person apart from President Trump that I like on
China is Nikki Haley, who you know, during the debates
has been very very good on China issues, fentanyl and
other things as well. And we have some candidates who
have said things about Taiwan which to me are well,
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maybe not incomprehensible, but clearly are ill advised. So basically,
one other thing I should mention in that is, whoever
the next president is, Republican or Democrat, Trump or not,
We're not going to be driving policy. It's going to
be China. China has been fueling the war in Ukraine,
It fueled the October seventh attacks against Israel. It is
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behind the insurgencies that look like wars in North Africa.
So whatever the president is, whoever it is, is going
to have to defend ourselves because I think it's going
to become pretty obvious. American is under America is under attack.
There have now been thirty eight attacks on American forces
in Syria and Iraq. One person has died, that thirty five,
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thirty six or so have been injured. This is not
going in the right direction, Tutor.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Before I let you go, I want to ask you
something about that, because I've noticed that you've been tweeting
quite a bit about that, and you've been tweeting that
it's time to pray, it's time to turn our focus
to God. This is something that our new house speaker
is talking about as well, and was recently asked, well,
where do you get your decisions from? How do you
see the world, and he said, well, if you open
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a Bible, then you'll see my world you And that
made the mainstream media go crazy and they have just
they've called him a Christian nationalist, like this is some
kind of monster that this guy reads his Bible to
get his worldview. And it has really, I mean, it
has distressed me so much because I think I see
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what's happening right now with these people tearing these posters
down of loved ones that are lost, that are our kidnapped.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
People want them back.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
And we have the mainstream media who is saying, you
cannot talk about your faith.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
You can't talk about it. It's disgusting.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
If you talk about your faith, you so boldly go
out there every day and tell people to pray. What
do you think is the future of this country if
they can extinguish Christianity.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Yeah, I don't think the US survives if that happens.
You know, we have a president who's a Catholic, but
who is not governing according to his faith, and he's
presided over the most rapid collapse of American foreign policy
or standing in the world in our lifetimes. And right
now we have what looks like the beginning of the
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global conflict, with wars in Europe effectively, a war in Africa,
and a war in Middle East, which is Asia. So
that's three continents, and the media won't you know, you know,
it looks like I won't talk about Biden's faith and
his failure to not follow his faith. So I find
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it really distressing, which is one of the reasons why
I tweet about Preyer, because not that I'm especially religious,
but I am especially concerned about the direction of this country.
And I do believe that we need to pray and
we need to renew our faith in God, and if
we do that, we'll be okay. If we don't, we won't.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
There are so many right now, all of these young
activists who are they're looking for something bigger. And it's
funny because I've talked to so many experts in why
are these young kids who aren't connected to this cause,
whether it be BLM or Palestine, that they haven't had
a real life experience, but they're going and they're being
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drawn into these causes that are causing a lot of
destruction and damaged. And a lot of folks have said, well,
it's this lack of faith, because faith has always given
you something to believe in that's bigger than yourself, and
so there is a direction to go.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
There's like a I.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Mean a guide book when he said he looks to
the Bible for his worldview, it's a guidebook, right, that's.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
The word of God.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
And that as that has deteriorated, we have seen a
country that has more depression, that has more more activism
that is misplaced, and a lot of people that a
lot of young people that are striving for some people,
but they just can't seem to find it. And I
think it's kind of I feel like it's time for
us to speak up and talk about what prayer does
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for those who are faithful and how there is a
higher power that guides us.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
And I think when.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
I saw this, you know, I saw the chaos with
this kership and I kept thinking, this is crazy, we
were making We're bringing.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Problems upon ourselves. Why are we going through this?
Speaker 1 (28:08):
But then I was reminded God always has a plan
and it's always good when I saw all of these
attacks against Speaker Johnson's faith, because I thought all of
these people are now seeing him calm, He doesn't get rattled.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Just hey, this is who.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
I am, and that's where I go for my information,
and I will lead. And I'm anxious to see where
God takes this because I think it could be very cool.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
You know, Tutor in China, which the regime is relentless
in its persecution of faith, the one thing it can't
do is it can't stop the growth of Protestant Christianity.
And that tells you a lot about renewal through faith,
and we should take that as an example and we
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should be heartened by it. We're in a free country.
We have to do all we can to renew faith
in God, and I believe that that will happen. As
you say, God works in mysterious ways, and I do
believe that He does have a plan and that plan
will save us.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Well, thank you so much for being here today. It
was a great conversation, Gordon Chang. I appreciate your time.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Thank you so much, Tutor. I had a blast, and
I appreciate the.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Opportunity, of course, and thank you all always for joining
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