March 6, 2024 • 39 mins
In this episode, Tudor, Bob Schwartz, and Michelle Sarkisian discuss the dangers of overprescribing medications, especially to children. Bob shares his harrowing experience with Concerta, which led to acute psychosis and long-term neurological damage. The group criticizes the medical community's lack of informed consent and the pharmaceutical industry's influence on institutions. They explore the connection between medication and mass shootings, emphasizing the need for accountability and legal action against irresponsible prescription practices. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday, Wednesday, & Friday. For more information visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Well, we recently talked
about prescription drugs on the podcast and really over prescribing.
Some of you reached out with similar experiences, and some
of you reached out to share your experience with antidepressants
and how that saved your life. And I think both
things can be true. And we've certainly seen people who
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have been overcome with extreme grief and the help of
antidepressants got them through that. But I still ask the question,
our doctors too quick to prescribe? And I say this
especially with children who are still growing and their brains
are still developing. Also, I got to ask, do doctors
really feel like they are giving their patients the full
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story when they put them on these potent meds. I mean,
we know that there are these salespeople that are in
every single day, this is the latest and greatest, this
is the newest thing. But how often are you really
pouring over these are the side effects that could happen.
My guest today, he says he didn't have all the facts,
and the prescription drug he was put on ended the
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life he had built and destroyed the relationships he had,
and he is now on a mission to fix this
and hold people accountable, because he says there's a silent
universe of other people suffering just like him. I want
to welcome Bob Schwartz, the executive director of A Better Bob,
which he founded after he suffered an acute psychosis after
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he took the psychotropic drug Concerta. Also with him is
Michelle Sarkisian, a retired corporate executive who's now become a
major advocate for Bob and his mission. Welcome both of you,
Thank you for being on.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
So I actually saw your I saw the trailer for
your documentary and it was right. I think you sent
this to you must have seen that we were talking
about prescriptions, because he sent me a note and I
was like, man, this is the kind of thing that
I feel like there, I agree with you. I think
there are so many people out there that would say
I had a really bad experience and no one will listen.
So can you just kind of give us an overview
(02:04):
of the documentary and what happened in your life that
led you to form A Better Bob.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Thanks again, Tutor for having us today. The story starts
back twenty years ago from March twenty fourth, which is
now National Adverse Drug Event Awareness Day.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
But you know, young.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Forty years old individual, father of two, highly, very successful
at a major telecommunications company, and I was suffering from
a chronic back pain. But when I went in to
see my doctor about the back pain, I told him, I,
you know, I was, I was, My game was off.
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I was a type A individual and I was not
focusing too well at work. I found out later it
was probably due from the chronic back pain. But you
know when he when he questioned me on that, I
you know, he said, we might be able to help
you with some ADHD medicine, and he prescribed me a
drug called Concerto.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
He asked me how much I weighed, and.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I gave him my weight and he started me at
fifty four milligrams of a drug again, a drug called Concerto.
Took the drug for five days and life was never
the same. I suffered an acute psychosis and after that
my life smiled downhill from there. Within two years, I was,
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my marriage had had was ended from the side effects
and just the damage, the neurological damage that this drug caused.
And life was a struggle. And in between that I
was trying to always trying to let people know at
real time that this this drug had harmed me and
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injured me and or impaired me, and that I was struggling.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
I was struggling. I was struggling.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
And it was.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
More or less, you know, you know, maybe I'm not
trying hard enough.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
Maybe you know this drug that is not known for
doing this, and it became a seventeen year battle in
fighting this thing conventionally.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
How did you know that it was the drug? I mean,
you went into the doctor and you said, I'm struggling
to concentrate at the time, Just for me to clarify,
at the time, you had back pain. He didn't ask
you about the back pain, Is that right? He just said, Okay,
if you're having trouble concentrating, we're going to immediately give
you an ADHD drug to get you back on track concentrating.
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Forget all the other things that could be medically going
on with you, let's try this. And that was the
wrong medication for you, uh you want?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
He did.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
He did prescribe me a drug for my back pain,
the muscle relaxer for my back pain. And it was
the last ten minutes of the appointment where I was
just kind of like, you know how they always like,
what else can I do for you?
Speaker 7 (05:15):
And uh, you know, hey, I'm I'm you know. That's
when I you know, opened up to him, Hey, I'm
off my game. I'm finding myself struggling to focus at
work and and that's when he suggested this could be ADHD.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
How did you find out that the prescription was three
times the recommended dose for that medication.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Yeah, that was brought up to.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Me by the the investigator from the Georgia Medical Board.
She said that, you know, you were you were seriously overdosed,
you know. And so when when I got the Georgia
Medical Board involved, I thought this was gonna be going
in the right direction. And then two years later, they
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you know, they this was two years later after my
you know, when I decided to open up the case,
and they came back after a four month investigation said that.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
The doctor had done nothing wrong. It was and this
matter is closed.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Tell me a little bit about what you immediately felt
because you were only on this for five days. And
we're talking about this because we've seen this in a
lot of kids lately, where kids are being put on
this medication and then they have suicidal or homicidal thoughts
or just paranoia. And my concern is that if an
adult had this happen, an adult can come and say, look,
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I'm off, something's not right, and after five days have
permittent effects from this. What is happening to children who
don't understand that that's off. Tell us a little bit
about what you experienced in those five days. And since.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Right first off trouble sleeping, it was you know, you know,
I was not hungry, which a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Do that because it's a diet. Then and then they
can lose weight and the doctor's like, oh, great side effect,
you're not going to eat, and then you know it
ruins your life.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Yeah, right, But with the psychosis just brought many, many,
many many problems. The gas it first started, the gastro
was was terrible. What I did was I damaged my
central nervous system that pretty much controls everything in your body,
all your your movements, your thoughts, so basically that that
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was neurologically damaged. And it just became a nightmare as
far as far as problems, thought disorder, faulty thinking, uh,
you know, cognitively, could not could not, could not focus,
so for the main intent for what the drug was
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supposed to do, I was. I was forgetting everything I
was I left. Here's the Here's the one that boggles
of mind is that I lost my car keys for
three weeks and uh, you know, I had to basically
ordered new keys and everything. I found them in the
silverware drawing mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
And I mean, I've heard these same things. We've you know,
I've had people in my family that have experienced these
same things, forgetting to pick up kids, losing things, all
kinds of stuff that suddenly normal everyday activities. And the
doctor keeps saying, oh, no that I don't know if
you had this experience, but we've had the experience of
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oh no, this is normal. This is not a side
effect of the drug. By the way, the drug can't
possibly do this. It can't. This can't happen, right.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
So I'm at the top of my game professionally, and
after five days this happens, and I'm like, I'm trying
to figure out what's going on with my body, what's
going on with the dangers, what's going on in my mind.
I mean, I didn't want to really open up and
tell anybody about what was going on in my mind
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for the fear that that you know what, that they
they might you know, I might be held accountable for
what I say. I don't know, It's just it was.
It was a very it was very, very scary moment in.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Life because you get very paranoid.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
It was dysfunctional state of paranoia. You know, I'm an analogist,
so I can only explain things through analogies that that
people can understand. And uh, one of the one of
the best ones I've ever been able to come up
on is you know, I went from Michael Coleon of
The Godfather Defredo over h.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Scare. And I think that something that people aren't talking about,
and Michelle, you and I were talking about this for
a second. Something that people weren't talking about is the
reality that this is happening across the country and nobody
is willing to come out and say it, and there's
no accountability for these drug companies. And I will just
say that I know for a fact that some of
these stimulants have people in a psychosis state. And so
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we've heard about adderall psychosis, We've heard about marijuana psychosis,
and we have you know, these are legal drugs that
either are being prescribed or now you can purchase marijuana
in many states, and people are saying, oh, this is
safe because it's legal or I have a prescription for it.
But it doesn't. It's not always the case that it
is safe. So Michelle, you've you've been fighting back against this.
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What have you seen when it comes to saying, well,
wait a minute, why are we okay with psychosis in
a certain percentage of patience, Well.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I'll tell you this toutor and thank you so much
for even covering this topic. People just don't know what
they don't know. And IT has approved drugs that have
become household names. Think about xanax, zoloft, adderall Riddlin effects,
her at a, van rel, Bututrin, Lexapro, Paxel, Prozac. That's
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just a few of the many, many, many FDA approved
for children drugs. Now, couple that with children now in
schools based on surveys and observation, no blood test, surveys
and observation, they have child is depressed where they could
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have just been a little sad because their hamster died,
or that they are anxiety ridden, which they might just
be a nervous test taker or they are ADHD, which
when I was younger, I'm sixty eight. When I was younger,
we'd call it daydreaming, or we'd call it fidgeting, or
we'd call it hyperactivity. And what did we do to
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counter some of that? We had recess twice a day.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
a Tutor Dixon podcast. Over the weekend, my daughter was
in a school play and it was at one of
the public schools, and we go to the private school.
They were having the play at the auditorium at the
public school. So I had never seen this before, but
I walked into the bathroom and there was this sign
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and it said all those things you just said. Are
you feeling anxious? Have you had something scary happen to you?
Do other kids make you feel bad? Like all these
different things that absolutely every child in high school experiences.
There's no question in my mind that every kid in
high school has experienced. Well, do you want resources for this?
And they had four different phone numbers and the treatments.
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The top of the list was medications. And it literally
was in the high school bathroom saying the treatments, medications,
And then there were a couple other things like talking
to someone and food you eat or something, but the
top was medications. I thought, well, that is crazy that
a kid can call. But the flip side of that
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is also in Michigan. I was just telling you before
we started recording. In Michigan, you no longer have access
to your child's medical records once they turn twelve. In
this state of Michigan, they passed a law which I
can't believe. People aren't just going bananas over. But once
your child turns twelve, they are required to sit down
and have an appointment with their doctor, and the doctor
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has to tell them. And this is how it went
from my oldest. The doctor said, listen, your mom no
longer has control of your medical records. So you can
sign this paper and allow her to become your medical proxy.
And then she can continue to make appointments for you
and be involved in your appointments and see some of
your test results. But if at any point you want
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mom to be cut out of your medical decisions, we
will rip this paper up for you. You just say, I
don't want mom to know we're having this conversation. Have
no power in this case. So my daughter says, yeah,
I'm going to sign it for my mom. Well, then
my middle daughter turns twelve, she gets a blood test
a few weeks ago, I go into her my chart
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online and it says no records to show, and they say, well, sorry,
she has not signed this document yet and unless you
make an appointment to sit down with doctor. Doctor explains
it to her, They have a conversation, and she understands
that you can be cut out of her medical records
at any time. Then you can't see her chart. I mean,
think about this. Now, we have all of these, as
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you pointed out, Michelle, we have all of these clinics
that are going onto elementary school campuses, middle school, high
school at the same time as once they turn twelve
in middle school, mom and dad have no access to
what's going on, and they can go into the school
clinic and have anything in these drugs or vaccines or
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whatever they want. They can just push into my child system,
and then I end up in a situation where I
have no idea how to solve the problem, or I
can't it's too late.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
No, it's it's just tragic. And think about the culture
that we've changed, you know, we have created a culture
where kids can't even think critically anymore. They can't make
decisions about even hardship that they might be facing if
they don't get a participation trophy. They're upset, you know.
I mean, we've created a system where they need safe spaces.
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You know, everything triggers them.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Well is it just the system though? But is it
the system in addition to being on these meds that
then trigger them, Because if you're on these meds, I
believe that in many cases you cannot think through situations
rationally like this. And we know that some of these medications,
these these pharmaceutical companies have now come out and said, okay,
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we have a disclaimer you may have thoughts of suicide
or harming someone else. And so how does that help
these students get through crises?
Speaker 2 (16:01):
It doesn't, And informed consent has lost all meal meaning.
So Bob and I have spoken with a fellow who's
very involved with the veterans organizations and he has made
his way through Washington, d C. Demanding signature based informed
consent because our suicide rates off the charts with veterans
today because they're given all these drugs that I just mentioned,
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and then some and it's not just being on the drug,
it's withdrawing from the drug.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
So yese in mind this letter.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
When you talk to first of all, your teachers telling
you you might be ADHD because you know you're having
trouble focusing. You kept watching the butterfly or whatever, and
so they say that child needs is ADHD. Of course
the uh, the pediatrician puts them on riddle in or
adderall because that's sort of the protocol. There is no
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informed consent because if there was informed consent, any parent
who heard that their child has a whatever percent chance
of homicidal thoughts, suicidal thoughts, right, and all the plethora
of other things that Bob went through as an adult,
and think about it in an eight year old that's
you know, a third of his weight. All those things
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are not discussed. And on top of that, what's not
discussed is the off ramp. You know, they never talk
about how you get off these drugs. What's your on them?
As soon as you exhibit something else, because think about it,
you're you're on adderall for a bit, and a lot
of kids are taking that, so they can you know,
take their sat better or whatever. They're on that for
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a bit then all of a sudden they're just feeling
like a zombie. You know, they've lost their energy or
what have you. They go back to the doctor. The
doctor doesn't eliminate the adderall. They put you on the zoloft. Oh,
they'll put you on this.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Oh yeah, And then they add yes, I mean you
you end up with a tick from the adderall, let
me add this in. That'll stop the tick and keep
you on the auterall. But just so you know, there's
side effects to that too. You can have heart problems,
you get this, you get that, And then all of
a sudden, the prescriptions just kind of pyramid up and
pile on top of you.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Right, and let me just add to that. I was
with somebody on Tuesday who she works a lot in
foster care. She has two foster children, and she has
become an advocate for foster children. And she said, you know,
when you age out at the foster system, the average
number of meds that they're on is five. Good grief,
got a foster? Now, why is that tutor? Because the
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state controls. Yes, so you've got the state behavioral health
commissions that are making those decisions. Now, think about where
the state Behavioral Health Commission has made those decisions and
try to correlate that with some of the mass shootings
that have happened out there. Nicholas Cruz was on the
very same drug that Bob was on, fifty four milligrams
of concertra at eight years old. He's the Parkland shooter.
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Now he's on a cocktail of drugs. By the time
he did his shooting. The guy here in Atlanta was
withdrawing from adavan. If you look at Adam Lanza who
was at the Sandy Hook thing, you know, and what
they try to do. Pharma swoops in and tries to
make sure that the focus is on the gun. You know,
the focus is on.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
The of course, But that's what we've been saying for
so many years.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Now.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
What if it's the person. What if there's something there
And everybody's been like, well, you can't solve mental health.
What if the problem with mental health is the medications
that these kids are on so young.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
It's it's the impairment of the mind. That's where we
that's where we need to take this argument. You know,
it's no different than drunk driving forty years ago. People
get behind the wheel of a car after drinking alcohol
and then they would they would end up killing people
in accidents. They didn't take away the automobile or they
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went after the alcohol industry. This is the same situation WHEREA, I.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Think it's so normalized, and I think so few people
are willing to talk about this, and certainly no parent
wants to come out and say, oh, I did this
and it was a huge mistake. And then I think
there's also a certain amount of a shame for someone
who has had some like what's happened to you, Bob
happened and not want to talk about it. And b
some of these folks refuse to see that it's the
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drug that's causing all of these problems, and they stay
on the drug. The doctor keeps telling them the drug
is fine, the drug is not causing these problems. You
need the drug, stay on the drug. And so I
think that there is a lack of awareness that this
is what's happening, to the point where just last week
I was told that a teacher in the classroom went
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to the parents and said, and the administration backed the
teacher up, if you do not put your child on medication,
we can't keep them in class. They're just such a
busy body, always standing up and all of this, and
that we need them to be drugged and sitting quietly.
And I don't blame the teacher. I think it's because
there's no knowledge of what this is really doing to kids.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Well, and they've taken away the outlet for them to
use up that energy. Especially.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yes, no PE, You're right.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
There's no recess. There's no PE. There's no electives. You know,
I've gotten rid of shop and so many of the electives.
But you know, you said you have to ask your question,
ask the question how did we get here? How did
we get here? You know, this is an epidemic in America,
not elsewhere. It's an epidemic. So think about this. There
are only two countries in the world that allow prescription
advertising on TV New Zealand and America. All right, So
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is Anderson Cooper going to bite the hand that feeds him?
Speaker 1 (21:19):
No? No, absolutely not. I mean we had a doctor
on here last week who was he had testified in
the Columbine case. He had testified in the girl who
had texted her boyfriend until he committed suicide, and he
was saying this same stuff, and he's like, look, I
used to go on OPRAH. I used to talk on
ABC and NBC until they could advertise, and then I
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was banned. So as soon as the money started coming in.
And it's all about the money, I mean, we're not
going to sugarcoat it here. Money rules the world, and money,
in many cases is more important to people than other
people's health.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Well, you're exactly right, and it's not you. It's not
just the media. Academia is the same.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Now.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
I've been involved in an IVY League school board for
a while in one of their research groups, and they
get more money from Farma than they get from tuition.
The IVY Leagues get more money from Farma than they
get from So you couple that with the media, and
then the plethora of money that goes into the school systems,
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you know, the public school system. I mean, if you
don't vaccinate your kid, if the kids aren't fully vaccinated,
they can't go to public school.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
How many industries have the kind of money and influence
that pharma does. I mean your point to the universities.
Any research university is looking to pharma to get the grant,
to get the money to be the next the next
group that brings the next drug to them, and they
are glad to put money here and there and there
to make sure that that next drug that's going to
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be the drug that everybody's on, is going to be
with their label on it.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
That's exactly right. So and then you take it a
step further. Three hundred and seventy three million dollars was
spent on Congress by the pharma lobby in twenty twenty two.
So you know, think about the money is so huge.
Who's I want to see the representatives and senators. I
want to see those who don't take any farm of money.
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I want to see the people who aren't compromised, who
don't have a conflict of interest, and that's who I
want to make our decisions. Now. I just looked over
and I'm in Georgia. I just looked over some of
the mental health bills that I mean, they're always floating.
We killed two years, but they keep reservicing like a
bad penny. And I look at what they're proposing now
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and they're saying, well, we'll have a committee of twenty
six people who will be involved in the protocols on
mental health. Well, who is going to be pharma? It's
going to be the behavior. Well, it's going to be
all the people who are compromised, you know, try to
find an uncompromised doctor. That's why I love people like
McCullough and Merrick and Corey and all those folks that
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have all lost all lost their jobs when they spoke about,
you know, the COVID situations. But that's a whole other issue.
But on this I will tell you and Bob will
tell you too. We've gotten more knowledge in the last
couple of years because now we're suspicious of things. We've
learned not to trust the age of the FDA. The
CDC is, CDC's in my backyard here in Atlanta, you know.
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And you listen to these people who say words like
safe and effective and yes, I have no proof of that.
So you look at those types of things and you say, well,
you know, now when I go into the doctor and
they say you need your eighteenth booster or whatever it is,
you know. And by the way, everybody I know who
got the JAB is sick. Everybody everybody's gotten it. So
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you look at that and you start to scroll back
and say, should I have ever gotten the shingles vaccine?
Should I have ever taken that. Now there is a
website of case you're interested to it called medstopper dot
com And if you go to medstop. We just learned
about this, Bob and I did go to medstopper dot
com and you can plug in anything that you're on,
a stat and whatever you're on, and it'll tell you
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how to taper off and what the are of tapering off.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
See, I mean I've had these. I've had these same
I think you're right. After COVID everybody started to go, Wow,
what am I on? And do I need to be
on it? And what have they asked me to take
on all of these years? And how many shots have
I taken? And do I need to be But I
think that's a good thing that we suddenly have a
lot of people questioning. It's funny to me because I
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often tell the story of the reason I know people
are very leery of going outside of what their doctor
says is because I'm a breast cancer survivor. When I
had breast cancer, I went to the local hospital here
and they had a response that I didn't like, and
I was like, yeah, I don't know if that seems
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a little old fashioned to me? I'm going to go
down to MD Anderson and my family members were like,
what are you talking about. You've been diagnosed with cancer,
Like you have to do this immediately, and I was like,
I want to know from someone else what I need
to do. And my meeting with M. D Anderson was okay,
still not exactly what I wanted. In the beauty of
the United States is that you can go someplace else,
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and so I ended up at Johns Hopkins had these
amazing surgeons. We went through exactly what would happen. I
am cancer free today. It wasn't. Waiting those few weeks
to get to the right doctor was the right thing.
And I think that so oftentimes when we go to
the doctor, we're like, it's urgent. I have to have
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the answer right now. And so instead of talking to
someone else and saying, what happens if I go on concerta?
Are there any side effects that I don't know about?
You go to the first guy. He puts you on it,
and he's motivated to put you on it, because let's
remember that if you were on a medication like this,
you not only have to have an appointment every month
with that doctor, but probably a psychologist as well, so
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they're bringing and in revenue. The minute they get you
on that drug, you're a permanent patient.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Well, if you want to know about the system, watch
Tucker Carlson's episode on Ozempic. Now, this is one of
the real blessings. Whether you're a Tucker fan or not
doesn't really matter. He's had some amazing guests, and when
he had Kelly means On talking about the whole system
and the ozempic situation and how much money's in it
and how compromised everybody is, the conflicts of interest and
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so forth, it's an eye opener. And if you took
the time to watch the series Dopsic on Netflix or
whatever it was on, and you realize that the Sackler
family what they got away with and per new pharmaceutical
got away with for decades. It's saying that it was
not addictive. Oxycotton was not addictive, And of course they
went to the most vulnerable community out there, the Appalachian
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coal mine area, and everybody got addicted and communities were ruined.
But you know, I would just say, I mean, you're
probably asking Bob could probably answer this better than me,
what do you do to fix it? To talks about
accountability and changing systems and so forth. What we've got
to do is first admit that the system is broken.
(28:09):
It's broken. Bob did everything right. Now. This is a
guy who was making high six figures, working for a fortune,
fifty top of his game, and everything everything fell apart
five days into a drug.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon podcast. You have a documentary, so tell
us how to find the documentary. So people who are
questioning am I dealing with this? Do I have a
family member dealing with this? They can watch what happened?
How do they find that?
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Yeah, simply just go to www. Risk dot com. That's
r xisks dot com. You can see the ninety second
trailer there and it leads you right to the thirty
minute documentary. It's a quick watch. I want to tell
you a ward out in New York for best documentary
under forty minutes. And it lays it out and then
(29:05):
it also goes into how we're going to fix the
problem where we're bringing up the awareness, caution and the accountability,
and the accountability is going to be key. As we're
going through the awareness portion right now, I'm trying to
get the message out to the mama bears, the football dads,
and doting grandparents that they need to become aware of
(29:28):
these drugs and the dangers of these drugs. So it's
really crimes against humanity, and that will lead to the
caution where we really need to get the law enforcement
involved to really understand because when you have a mass shooting,
you have a situation where they don't understand how this
is happening, especially on the mental illness side of the house,
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and then they bring in behavior health specialists to consult
with them on how to handle it, and they're paid
by big farm to handle that situation. We also need
to have the FBI, you know, understanding the situation, in
our legislation, understanding the situation, and then accountability. I don't
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think anything is going to be fixed until a big
pharma suffers from massive lawsuits, kind of like opioids in addiction.
And that's what's that's what this model's very similar to.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Well, let's be I mean, let's be honest. You have
folks out there who are saying we should be able
to sue the gun manufacturer if it's I mean, that
to me is insane, the gun was a tool, something
caused this. Why shouldn't you be able to sue the
pharmaceutical company if they know And they do know, that's
the part that I think people don't understand. They do
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know that this causes suicidal and homicidal tendencies. They understand this.
In fact, some of these drugs are altered a little
bit to use in the military to get people to
go out and commit mass murder, essentially because it's a war.
I mean, we talked before we started recording about October seventh,
those guys that came into Israel were high on whatever
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they had given them to force them to become killing machines.
Human nature is not to cut people apart set them
on fire. The things that happen, we say those people
were animals. They were forced into that because they were
drugs in their system. But people don't want to talk
about the fact that these same drugs are similar drugs
(31:32):
are being given to our children and we're seeing those results.
But nobody's going, well, what was the toxicology report? I mean,
we wanted the toxicology report for the Nashville shooter. Never
got it. We seemed to not be able to get
these toxicology reports, and yet we continually say, how could
another school shooting have happened? How could another mass shooting
have happened? Why can't we go to this one source
(31:55):
and say, what did the blood test show?
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Right?
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Well, to the toxicity reports only show the legal drugs,
I mean the illegal drugs that were in their system,
not the prescription drugs.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
That's right, That's what they did in Nashville, Audrey Hale.
They claimed they did a toxicology report, but all they showed,
all they shared with the public was that she wasn't
on illegal drugs like fentanyl. They don't talk about the
legal drugs. And you know, she was transstudent, and she
very likely was on a hormone blocker. Those are drugs
for life too, by the way, and they do and
(32:30):
you know, and you mentioned that these these these military
personnel will take these I mean, Bob talks a lot
about the fact that Hitler put a lot of the
soldiers on these drugs to have them, you know, commit
the most heinous types of attacks against their enemy that
they could possibly do. But I will also tell you,
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Bob and I watched a Tennessee Health and Welfare Committee
meeting not that long ago. A few weeks ago, one
of the senators there who chairs it, brought in a
couple of experts and one of them did a lot
of research on mass shootings and has identified that over
seven hundred mass shootings were related back to these black
box drugs. And he also said, well, they're quick to
(33:11):
come in and talk about the gun. He said, you know,
the funny thing is they never talk about the violence
that's happening with knives and cars and other means. You know,
it's always about the gun. And there are countless cases
where people have exhibited violence under the influence of these drugs,
black box drugs, Like the twelve year old daughter who
killed her brother, killed her nine year old brother, was
(33:32):
stabbing and she was out of her mind with these
drugs and just she'll know her life is over her life.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
We just had that story not a few weeks ago
where the woman stabbed her boyfriend something like eighty times
and they were like, oh, it was marijuana. So there
was nothing we could do about it because she had
this marijuana psychosis. And we know this is happening. I mean,
that's the thing when our legislator is going to come
out and say, wait a minute. We can't legalize marijuana
because we know it's causing peace people to do crazy things.
(34:01):
We can't allow pharmaceutical companies to get away with drugs
that they know are causing these massive side effects that
are not only destroying the life of the person who
takes it, but oftentimes all of the people around them.
I mean, people's lives are changed forever. Your family's life
was changed forever.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Bomb.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Yeah, I mean, it's just, you know, it's it's unspeakable
hardships and broken dreams, and it's just it's it's and
it's it's and it's for generations to come, you know,
as far as there's an example of uh, Lindsey Clancy
up up in Boston, you know, the delivery nurse that
(34:45):
that had to withdrawal from antidepressant medication and ended up
killing all three of her children and jumping out the
window and breaking her back, and now she's on trial
for murder. It's just, uh, it's again, just it's just
so devastating, horrific.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yeah, you have to ask, at that point, should someone
else be on trial for murder?
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Well, that's exactly the point, Tudor, And I'm glad you
brought it up because one of the things that's gonna
that's happening already and we'll continue to expand, is the
stories are flooding in. They're flooding in through Bob's Risks website.
They're flooding in through Woody Matters, which is Kim whitsex
or does her husband comitted suicide five days into zoloft
(35:29):
and he wasn't suicidal? She won her lawsuit, by the way,
And they're coming in through the Drug Adverse Event Awareness
Day that's coming out March twenty fourth. And as these
stories keep coming in, you know, we're just we are
seeking the attorney or attorneys that will take this on
from a mass toward class action standpoint. We're at that point.
(35:52):
We know we have an epidemic. We know that there's
a public health emergency as a result of this. We
know people you know, we're telling kids six, seven, eight
years old something's wrong with them.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Yep, yes, I know. And it is devastating and once
they're on, it changes their little world and you never
get them back.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
No, you never get them back, and they think they
have to be on a drug for life, and as
soon as they have another symptom of something. They're told
they're even worse than they thought, take another drug. So
it just keeps compounding. And these foster kids are really
in a tough spot. But we've got whistleblowers, we've got activists,
we've got people who've suffered harm like and God bless Bob.
(36:33):
I mean, Bob wants nothing from this but to stop
the epidemic, to stop this from happening to children all
over the place. He can't get those twenty years back,
you know, and he's made the best he can of
his life. But he can get time back, but he
can stop at least help parents understand that you've got
to demand informed consent. You've got to explore other options.
(36:56):
You do have alternatives if they are going to take
the drug, demand that they're monitored throughout and demand an
off ramp.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Well, and I appreciate what Bob is doing now because
I do think that God has a plan through crisis
and he uses people in different ways. And you have
a great voice here. I think that the I've watched
the trailer and planning to watch the documentary this week.
It's it's risks, It's very clever. Our xisks dot Com
go there and watch the documentary. Anybody who has these questions,
(37:28):
anybody who wants to report, is there a site? Do
they just report there? How do they come to you
and say, Hey, I've had the same problem. I need help.
I'd like representation.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
That's going to be coming on March twenty fourth, we
have the third year of inception. And what's interesting, it's
it's March twenty fourth is the twentieth anniversary of my
adverse event. So I think God has created a national
God moment.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
It happened to me so that, you know, you go
get coincidence or God just working miracles there, and he's
you know, I think if people are gonna be able
to go on this site and tell their story and
get the tool kids out there and find out if
we can make this a public health emergency, just like
(38:19):
the cancer and and heart heart disease, we can we
can declare this day UH an emergency for the for
the for the American people.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
I agree. Thank you both so much for being here. Bob,
you are so brave. I mean, honestly, I think that
anybody out there who's listening right now is going this
takes a lot of guts to come out there and say, look,
I I lost this, I lost this section of my life,
and I'm fighting for you so you don't lose it
as well. Bob Schwartz, Michelle Sarkisian, thank you so much
(38:51):
for being with me today.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Thank you good thank you, gut speed.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Thank you, thank you all for joining us on the
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the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Have a blessed day.
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Well, we recently talked
about prescription drugs on the podcast and really over prescribing.
Some of you reached out with similar experiences, and some
of you reached out to share your experience with antidepressants
and how that saved your life. And I think both
things can be true. And we've certainly seen people who
(00:21):
have been overcome with extreme grief and the help of
antidepressants got them through that. But I still ask the question,
our doctors too quick to prescribe? And I say this
especially with children who are still growing and their brains
are still developing. Also, I got to ask, do doctors
really feel like they are giving their patients the full
(00:44):
story when they put them on these potent meds. I mean,
we know that there are these salespeople that are in
every single day, this is the latest and greatest, this
is the newest thing. But how often are you really
pouring over these are the side effects that could happen.
My guest today, he says he didn't have all the facts,
and the prescription drug he was put on ended the
(01:05):
life he had built and destroyed the relationships he had,
and he is now on a mission to fix this
and hold people accountable, because he says there's a silent
universe of other people suffering just like him. I want
to welcome Bob Schwartz, the executive director of A Better Bob,
which he founded after he suffered an acute psychosis after
(01:27):
he took the psychotropic drug Concerta. Also with him is
Michelle Sarkisian, a retired corporate executive who's now become a
major advocate for Bob and his mission. Welcome both of you,
Thank you for being on.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
So I actually saw your I saw the trailer for
your documentary and it was right. I think you sent
this to you must have seen that we were talking
about prescriptions, because he sent me a note and I
was like, man, this is the kind of thing that
I feel like there, I agree with you. I think
there are so many people out there that would say
I had a really bad experience and no one will listen.
So can you just kind of give us an overview
(02:04):
of the documentary and what happened in your life that
led you to form A Better Bob.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Thanks again, Tutor for having us today. The story starts
back twenty years ago from March twenty fourth, which is
now National Adverse Drug Event Awareness Day.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
But you know, young.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Forty years old individual, father of two, highly, very successful
at a major telecommunications company, and I was suffering from
a chronic back pain. But when I went in to
see my doctor about the back pain, I told him, I,
you know, I was, I was, My game was off.
(02:46):
I was a type A individual and I was not
focusing too well at work. I found out later it
was probably due from the chronic back pain. But you
know when he when he questioned me on that, I
you know, he said, we might be able to help
you with some ADHD medicine, and he prescribed me a
drug called Concerto.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
He asked me how much I weighed, and.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I gave him my weight and he started me at
fifty four milligrams of a drug again, a drug called Concerto.
Took the drug for five days and life was never
the same. I suffered an acute psychosis and after that
my life smiled downhill from there. Within two years, I was,
(03:38):
my marriage had had was ended from the side effects
and just the damage, the neurological damage that this drug caused.
And life was a struggle. And in between that I
was trying to always trying to let people know at
real time that this this drug had harmed me and
(04:03):
injured me and or impaired me, and that I was struggling.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
I was struggling. I was struggling.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
And it was.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
More or less, you know, you know, maybe I'm not
trying hard enough.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
Maybe you know this drug that is not known for
doing this, and it became a seventeen year battle in
fighting this thing conventionally.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
How did you know that it was the drug? I mean,
you went into the doctor and you said, I'm struggling
to concentrate at the time, Just for me to clarify,
at the time, you had back pain. He didn't ask
you about the back pain, Is that right? He just said, Okay,
if you're having trouble concentrating, we're going to immediately give
you an ADHD drug to get you back on track concentrating.
(04:52):
Forget all the other things that could be medically going
on with you, let's try this. And that was the
wrong medication for you, uh you want?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
He did.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
He did prescribe me a drug for my back pain,
the muscle relaxer for my back pain. And it was
the last ten minutes of the appointment where I was
just kind of like, you know how they always like,
what else can I do for you?
Speaker 7 (05:15):
And uh, you know, hey, I'm I'm you know. That's
when I you know, opened up to him, Hey, I'm
off my game. I'm finding myself struggling to focus at
work and and that's when he suggested this could be ADHD.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
How did you find out that the prescription was three
times the recommended dose for that medication.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Yeah, that was brought up to.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Me by the the investigator from the Georgia Medical Board.
She said that, you know, you were you were seriously overdosed,
you know. And so when when I got the Georgia
Medical Board involved, I thought this was gonna be going
in the right direction. And then two years later, they
(06:03):
you know, they this was two years later after my
you know, when I decided to open up the case,
and they came back after a four month investigation said that.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
The doctor had done nothing wrong. It was and this
matter is closed.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Tell me a little bit about what you immediately felt
because you were only on this for five days. And
we're talking about this because we've seen this in a
lot of kids lately, where kids are being put on
this medication and then they have suicidal or homicidal thoughts
or just paranoia. And my concern is that if an
adult had this happen, an adult can come and say, look,
(06:45):
I'm off, something's not right, and after five days have
permittent effects from this. What is happening to children who
don't understand that that's off. Tell us a little bit
about what you experienced in those five days. And since.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Right first off trouble sleeping, it was you know, you know,
I was not hungry, which a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Do that because it's a diet. Then and then they
can lose weight and the doctor's like, oh, great side effect,
you're not going to eat, and then you know it
ruins your life.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Yeah, right, But with the psychosis just brought many, many,
many many problems. The gas it first started, the gastro
was was terrible. What I did was I damaged my
central nervous system that pretty much controls everything in your body,
all your your movements, your thoughts, so basically that that
(07:45):
was neurologically damaged. And it just became a nightmare as
far as far as problems, thought disorder, faulty thinking, uh,
you know, cognitively, could not could not, could not focus,
so for the main intent for what the drug was
(08:06):
supposed to do, I was. I was forgetting everything I
was I left. Here's the Here's the one that boggles
of mind is that I lost my car keys for
three weeks and uh, you know, I had to basically
ordered new keys and everything. I found them in the
silverware drawing mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
And I mean, I've heard these same things. We've you know,
I've had people in my family that have experienced these
same things, forgetting to pick up kids, losing things, all
kinds of stuff that suddenly normal everyday activities. And the
doctor keeps saying, oh, no that I don't know if
you had this experience, but we've had the experience of
(08:50):
oh no, this is normal. This is not a side
effect of the drug. By the way, the drug can't
possibly do this. It can't. This can't happen, right.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
So I'm at the top of my game professionally, and
after five days this happens, and I'm like, I'm trying
to figure out what's going on with my body, what's
going on with the dangers, what's going on in my mind.
I mean, I didn't want to really open up and
tell anybody about what was going on in my mind
(09:24):
for the fear that that you know what, that they
they might you know, I might be held accountable for
what I say. I don't know, It's just it was.
It was a very it was very, very scary moment in.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Life because you get very paranoid.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
It was dysfunctional state of paranoia. You know, I'm an analogist,
so I can only explain things through analogies that that
people can understand. And uh, one of the one of
the best ones I've ever been able to come up
on is you know, I went from Michael Coleon of
The Godfather Defredo over h.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Scare. And I think that something that people aren't talking about,
and Michelle, you and I were talking about this for
a second. Something that people weren't talking about is the
reality that this is happening across the country and nobody
is willing to come out and say it, and there's
no accountability for these drug companies. And I will just
say that I know for a fact that some of
these stimulants have people in a psychosis state. And so
(10:26):
we've heard about adderall psychosis, We've heard about marijuana psychosis,
and we have you know, these are legal drugs that
either are being prescribed or now you can purchase marijuana
in many states, and people are saying, oh, this is
safe because it's legal or I have a prescription for it.
But it doesn't. It's not always the case that it
is safe. So Michelle, you've you've been fighting back against this.
(10:49):
What have you seen when it comes to saying, well,
wait a minute, why are we okay with psychosis in
a certain percentage of patience, Well.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I'll tell you this toutor and thank you so much
for even covering this topic. People just don't know what
they don't know. And IT has approved drugs that have
become household names. Think about xanax, zoloft, adderall Riddlin effects,
her at a, van rel, Bututrin, Lexapro, Paxel, Prozac. That's
(11:18):
just a few of the many, many, many FDA approved
for children drugs. Now, couple that with children now in
schools based on surveys and observation, no blood test, surveys
and observation, they have child is depressed where they could
(11:39):
have just been a little sad because their hamster died,
or that they are anxiety ridden, which they might just
be a nervous test taker or they are ADHD, which
when I was younger, I'm sixty eight. When I was younger,
we'd call it daydreaming, or we'd call it fidgeting, or
we'd call it hyperactivity. And what did we do to
(11:59):
counter some of that? We had recess twice a day.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
a Tutor Dixon podcast. Over the weekend, my daughter was
in a school play and it was at one of
the public schools, and we go to the private school.
They were having the play at the auditorium at the
public school. So I had never seen this before, but
I walked into the bathroom and there was this sign
(12:25):
and it said all those things you just said. Are
you feeling anxious? Have you had something scary happen to you?
Do other kids make you feel bad? Like all these
different things that absolutely every child in high school experiences.
There's no question in my mind that every kid in
high school has experienced. Well, do you want resources for this?
And they had four different phone numbers and the treatments.
(12:47):
The top of the list was medications. And it literally
was in the high school bathroom saying the treatments, medications,
And then there were a couple other things like talking
to someone and food you eat or something, but the
top was medications. I thought, well, that is crazy that
a kid can call. But the flip side of that
(13:08):
is also in Michigan. I was just telling you before
we started recording. In Michigan, you no longer have access
to your child's medical records once they turn twelve. In
this state of Michigan, they passed a law which I
can't believe. People aren't just going bananas over. But once
your child turns twelve, they are required to sit down
and have an appointment with their doctor, and the doctor
(13:30):
has to tell them. And this is how it went
from my oldest. The doctor said, listen, your mom no
longer has control of your medical records. So you can
sign this paper and allow her to become your medical proxy.
And then she can continue to make appointments for you
and be involved in your appointments and see some of
your test results. But if at any point you want
(13:51):
mom to be cut out of your medical decisions, we
will rip this paper up for you. You just say, I
don't want mom to know we're having this conversation. Have
no power in this case. So my daughter says, yeah,
I'm going to sign it for my mom. Well, then
my middle daughter turns twelve, she gets a blood test
a few weeks ago, I go into her my chart
(14:12):
online and it says no records to show, and they say, well, sorry,
she has not signed this document yet and unless you
make an appointment to sit down with doctor. Doctor explains
it to her, They have a conversation, and she understands
that you can be cut out of her medical records
at any time. Then you can't see her chart. I mean,
think about this. Now, we have all of these, as
(14:34):
you pointed out, Michelle, we have all of these clinics
that are going onto elementary school campuses, middle school, high
school at the same time as once they turn twelve
in middle school, mom and dad have no access to
what's going on, and they can go into the school
clinic and have anything in these drugs or vaccines or
(14:55):
whatever they want. They can just push into my child system,
and then I end up in a situation where I
have no idea how to solve the problem, or I
can't it's too late.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
No, it's it's just tragic. And think about the culture
that we've changed, you know, we have created a culture
where kids can't even think critically anymore. They can't make
decisions about even hardship that they might be facing if
they don't get a participation trophy. They're upset, you know.
I mean, we've created a system where they need safe spaces.
(15:30):
You know, everything triggers them.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Well is it just the system though? But is it
the system in addition to being on these meds that
then trigger them, Because if you're on these meds, I
believe that in many cases you cannot think through situations
rationally like this. And we know that some of these medications,
these these pharmaceutical companies have now come out and said, okay,
(15:53):
we have a disclaimer you may have thoughts of suicide
or harming someone else. And so how does that help
these students get through crises?
Speaker 2 (16:01):
It doesn't, And informed consent has lost all meal meaning.
So Bob and I have spoken with a fellow who's
very involved with the veterans organizations and he has made
his way through Washington, d C. Demanding signature based informed
consent because our suicide rates off the charts with veterans
today because they're given all these drugs that I just mentioned,
(16:21):
and then some and it's not just being on the drug,
it's withdrawing from the drug.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
So yese in mind this letter.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
When you talk to first of all, your teachers telling
you you might be ADHD because you know you're having
trouble focusing. You kept watching the butterfly or whatever, and
so they say that child needs is ADHD. Of course
the uh, the pediatrician puts them on riddle in or
adderall because that's sort of the protocol. There is no
(16:49):
informed consent because if there was informed consent, any parent
who heard that their child has a whatever percent chance
of homicidal thoughts, suicidal thoughts, right, and all the plethora
of other things that Bob went through as an adult,
and think about it in an eight year old that's
you know, a third of his weight. All those things
(17:10):
are not discussed. And on top of that, what's not
discussed is the off ramp. You know, they never talk
about how you get off these drugs. What's your on them?
As soon as you exhibit something else, because think about it,
you're you're on adderall for a bit, and a lot
of kids are taking that, so they can you know,
take their sat better or whatever. They're on that for
(17:30):
a bit then all of a sudden they're just feeling
like a zombie. You know, they've lost their energy or
what have you. They go back to the doctor. The
doctor doesn't eliminate the adderall. They put you on the zoloft. Oh,
they'll put you on this.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Oh yeah, And then they add yes, I mean you
you end up with a tick from the adderall, let
me add this in. That'll stop the tick and keep
you on the auterall. But just so you know, there's
side effects to that too. You can have heart problems,
you get this, you get that, And then all of
a sudden, the prescriptions just kind of pyramid up and
pile on top of you.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Right, and let me just add to that. I was
with somebody on Tuesday who she works a lot in
foster care. She has two foster children, and she has
become an advocate for foster children. And she said, you know,
when you age out at the foster system, the average
number of meds that they're on is five. Good grief,
got a foster? Now, why is that tutor? Because the
(18:21):
state controls. Yes, so you've got the state behavioral health
commissions that are making those decisions. Now, think about where
the state Behavioral Health Commission has made those decisions and
try to correlate that with some of the mass shootings
that have happened out there. Nicholas Cruz was on the
very same drug that Bob was on, fifty four milligrams
of concertra at eight years old. He's the Parkland shooter.
(18:44):
Now he's on a cocktail of drugs. By the time
he did his shooting. The guy here in Atlanta was
withdrawing from adavan. If you look at Adam Lanza who
was at the Sandy Hook thing, you know, and what
they try to do. Pharma swoops in and tries to
make sure that the focus is on the gun. You know,
the focus is on.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
The of course, But that's what we've been saying for
so many years.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Now.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
What if it's the person. What if there's something there
And everybody's been like, well, you can't solve mental health.
What if the problem with mental health is the medications
that these kids are on so young.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
It's it's the impairment of the mind. That's where we
that's where we need to take this argument. You know,
it's no different than drunk driving forty years ago. People
get behind the wheel of a car after drinking alcohol
and then they would they would end up killing people
in accidents. They didn't take away the automobile or they
(19:38):
went after the alcohol industry. This is the same situation WHEREA, I.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Think it's so normalized, and I think so few people
are willing to talk about this, and certainly no parent
wants to come out and say, oh, I did this
and it was a huge mistake. And then I think
there's also a certain amount of a shame for someone
who has had some like what's happened to you, Bob
happened and not want to talk about it. And b
some of these folks refuse to see that it's the
(20:06):
drug that's causing all of these problems, and they stay
on the drug. The doctor keeps telling them the drug
is fine, the drug is not causing these problems. You
need the drug, stay on the drug. And so I
think that there is a lack of awareness that this
is what's happening, to the point where just last week
I was told that a teacher in the classroom went
(20:27):
to the parents and said, and the administration backed the
teacher up, if you do not put your child on medication,
we can't keep them in class. They're just such a
busy body, always standing up and all of this, and
that we need them to be drugged and sitting quietly.
And I don't blame the teacher. I think it's because
there's no knowledge of what this is really doing to kids.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Well, and they've taken away the outlet for them to
use up that energy. Especially.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yes, no PE, You're right.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
There's no recess. There's no PE. There's no electives. You know,
I've gotten rid of shop and so many of the electives.
But you know, you said you have to ask your question,
ask the question how did we get here? How did
we get here? You know, this is an epidemic in America,
not elsewhere. It's an epidemic. So think about this. There
are only two countries in the world that allow prescription
advertising on TV New Zealand and America. All right, So
(21:16):
is Anderson Cooper going to bite the hand that feeds him?
Speaker 1 (21:19):
No? No, absolutely not. I mean we had a doctor
on here last week who was he had testified in
the Columbine case. He had testified in the girl who
had texted her boyfriend until he committed suicide, and he
was saying this same stuff, and he's like, look, I
used to go on OPRAH. I used to talk on
ABC and NBC until they could advertise, and then I
(21:43):
was banned. So as soon as the money started coming in.
And it's all about the money, I mean, we're not
going to sugarcoat it here. Money rules the world, and money,
in many cases is more important to people than other
people's health.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Well, you're exactly right, and it's not you. It's not
just the media. Academia is the same.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Now.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
I've been involved in an IVY League school board for
a while in one of their research groups, and they
get more money from Farma than they get from tuition.
The IVY Leagues get more money from Farma than they
get from So you couple that with the media, and
then the plethora of money that goes into the school systems,
(22:25):
you know, the public school system. I mean, if you
don't vaccinate your kid, if the kids aren't fully vaccinated,
they can't go to public school.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
How many industries have the kind of money and influence
that pharma does. I mean your point to the universities.
Any research university is looking to pharma to get the grant,
to get the money to be the next the next
group that brings the next drug to them, and they
are glad to put money here and there and there
to make sure that that next drug that's going to
(22:53):
be the drug that everybody's on, is going to be
with their label on it.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
That's exactly right. So and then you take it a
step further. Three hundred and seventy three million dollars was
spent on Congress by the pharma lobby in twenty twenty two.
So you know, think about the money is so huge.
Who's I want to see the representatives and senators. I
want to see those who don't take any farm of money.
(23:18):
I want to see the people who aren't compromised, who
don't have a conflict of interest, and that's who I
want to make our decisions. Now. I just looked over
and I'm in Georgia. I just looked over some of
the mental health bills that I mean, they're always floating.
We killed two years, but they keep reservicing like a
bad penny. And I look at what they're proposing now
(23:38):
and they're saying, well, we'll have a committee of twenty
six people who will be involved in the protocols on
mental health. Well, who is going to be pharma? It's
going to be the behavior. Well, it's going to be
all the people who are compromised, you know, try to
find an uncompromised doctor. That's why I love people like
McCullough and Merrick and Corey and all those folks that
(23:59):
have all lost all lost their jobs when they spoke about,
you know, the COVID situations. But that's a whole other issue.
But on this I will tell you and Bob will
tell you too. We've gotten more knowledge in the last
couple of years because now we're suspicious of things. We've
learned not to trust the age of the FDA. The
CDC is, CDC's in my backyard here in Atlanta, you know.
(24:21):
And you listen to these people who say words like
safe and effective and yes, I have no proof of that.
So you look at those types of things and you say, well,
you know, now when I go into the doctor and
they say you need your eighteenth booster or whatever it is,
you know. And by the way, everybody I know who
got the JAB is sick. Everybody everybody's gotten it. So
(24:44):
you look at that and you start to scroll back
and say, should I have ever gotten the shingles vaccine?
Should I have ever taken that. Now there is a
website of case you're interested to it called medstopper dot
com And if you go to medstop. We just learned
about this, Bob and I did go to medstopper dot
com and you can plug in anything that you're on,
a stat and whatever you're on, and it'll tell you
(25:06):
how to taper off and what the are of tapering off.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
See, I mean I've had these. I've had these same
I think you're right. After COVID everybody started to go, Wow,
what am I on? And do I need to be
on it? And what have they asked me to take
on all of these years? And how many shots have
I taken? And do I need to be But I
think that's a good thing that we suddenly have a
lot of people questioning. It's funny to me because I
(25:32):
often tell the story of the reason I know people
are very leery of going outside of what their doctor
says is because I'm a breast cancer survivor. When I
had breast cancer, I went to the local hospital here
and they had a response that I didn't like, and
I was like, yeah, I don't know if that seems
(25:53):
a little old fashioned to me? I'm going to go
down to MD Anderson and my family members were like,
what are you talking about. You've been diagnosed with cancer,
Like you have to do this immediately, and I was like,
I want to know from someone else what I need
to do. And my meeting with M. D Anderson was okay,
still not exactly what I wanted. In the beauty of
the United States is that you can go someplace else,
(26:16):
and so I ended up at Johns Hopkins had these
amazing surgeons. We went through exactly what would happen. I
am cancer free today. It wasn't. Waiting those few weeks
to get to the right doctor was the right thing.
And I think that so oftentimes when we go to
the doctor, we're like, it's urgent. I have to have
(26:36):
the answer right now. And so instead of talking to
someone else and saying, what happens if I go on concerta?
Are there any side effects that I don't know about?
You go to the first guy. He puts you on it,
and he's motivated to put you on it, because let's
remember that if you were on a medication like this,
you not only have to have an appointment every month
with that doctor, but probably a psychologist as well, so
(26:59):
they're bringing and in revenue. The minute they get you
on that drug, you're a permanent patient.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Well, if you want to know about the system, watch
Tucker Carlson's episode on Ozempic. Now, this is one of
the real blessings. Whether you're a Tucker fan or not
doesn't really matter. He's had some amazing guests, and when
he had Kelly means On talking about the whole system
and the ozempic situation and how much money's in it
and how compromised everybody is, the conflicts of interest and
(27:26):
so forth, it's an eye opener. And if you took
the time to watch the series Dopsic on Netflix or
whatever it was on, and you realize that the Sackler
family what they got away with and per new pharmaceutical
got away with for decades. It's saying that it was
not addictive. Oxycotton was not addictive, And of course they
went to the most vulnerable community out there, the Appalachian
(27:48):
coal mine area, and everybody got addicted and communities were ruined.
But you know, I would just say, I mean, you're
probably asking Bob could probably answer this better than me,
what do you do to fix it? To talks about
accountability and changing systems and so forth. What we've got
to do is first admit that the system is broken.
(28:09):
It's broken. Bob did everything right. Now. This is a
guy who was making high six figures, working for a fortune,
fifty top of his game, and everything everything fell apart
five days into a drug.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon podcast. You have a documentary, so tell
us how to find the documentary. So people who are
questioning am I dealing with this? Do I have a
family member dealing with this? They can watch what happened?
How do they find that?
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Yeah, simply just go to www. Risk dot com. That's
r xisks dot com. You can see the ninety second
trailer there and it leads you right to the thirty
minute documentary. It's a quick watch. I want to tell
you a ward out in New York for best documentary
under forty minutes. And it lays it out and then
(29:05):
it also goes into how we're going to fix the
problem where we're bringing up the awareness, caution and the accountability,
and the accountability is going to be key. As we're
going through the awareness portion right now, I'm trying to
get the message out to the mama bears, the football dads,
and doting grandparents that they need to become aware of
(29:28):
these drugs and the dangers of these drugs. So it's
really crimes against humanity, and that will lead to the
caution where we really need to get the law enforcement
involved to really understand because when you have a mass shooting,
you have a situation where they don't understand how this
is happening, especially on the mental illness side of the house,
(29:51):
and then they bring in behavior health specialists to consult
with them on how to handle it, and they're paid
by big farm to handle that situation. We also need
to have the FBI, you know, understanding the situation, in
our legislation, understanding the situation, and then accountability. I don't
(30:15):
think anything is going to be fixed until a big
pharma suffers from massive lawsuits, kind of like opioids in addiction.
And that's what's that's what this model's very similar to.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Well, let's be I mean, let's be honest. You have
folks out there who are saying we should be able
to sue the gun manufacturer if it's I mean, that
to me is insane, the gun was a tool, something
caused this. Why shouldn't you be able to sue the
pharmaceutical company if they know And they do know, that's
the part that I think people don't understand. They do
(30:50):
know that this causes suicidal and homicidal tendencies. They understand this.
In fact, some of these drugs are altered a little
bit to use in the military to get people to
go out and commit mass murder, essentially because it's a war.
I mean, we talked before we started recording about October seventh,
those guys that came into Israel were high on whatever
(31:12):
they had given them to force them to become killing machines.
Human nature is not to cut people apart set them
on fire. The things that happen, we say those people
were animals. They were forced into that because they were
drugs in their system. But people don't want to talk
about the fact that these same drugs are similar drugs
(31:32):
are being given to our children and we're seeing those results.
But nobody's going, well, what was the toxicology report? I mean,
we wanted the toxicology report for the Nashville shooter. Never
got it. We seemed to not be able to get
these toxicology reports, and yet we continually say, how could
another school shooting have happened? How could another mass shooting
have happened? Why can't we go to this one source
(31:55):
and say, what did the blood test show?
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Right?
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Well, to the toxicity reports only show the legal drugs,
I mean the illegal drugs that were in their system,
not the prescription drugs.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
That's right, That's what they did in Nashville, Audrey Hale.
They claimed they did a toxicology report, but all they showed,
all they shared with the public was that she wasn't
on illegal drugs like fentanyl. They don't talk about the
legal drugs. And you know, she was transstudent, and she
very likely was on a hormone blocker. Those are drugs
for life too, by the way, and they do and
(32:30):
you know, and you mentioned that these these these military
personnel will take these I mean, Bob talks a lot
about the fact that Hitler put a lot of the
soldiers on these drugs to have them, you know, commit
the most heinous types of attacks against their enemy that
they could possibly do. But I will also tell you,
(32:51):
Bob and I watched a Tennessee Health and Welfare Committee
meeting not that long ago. A few weeks ago, one
of the senators there who chairs it, brought in a
couple of experts and one of them did a lot
of research on mass shootings and has identified that over
seven hundred mass shootings were related back to these black
box drugs. And he also said, well, they're quick to
(33:11):
come in and talk about the gun. He said, you know,
the funny thing is they never talk about the violence
that's happening with knives and cars and other means. You know,
it's always about the gun. And there are countless cases
where people have exhibited violence under the influence of these drugs,
black box drugs, Like the twelve year old daughter who
killed her brother, killed her nine year old brother, was
(33:32):
stabbing and she was out of her mind with these
drugs and just she'll know her life is over her life.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
We just had that story not a few weeks ago
where the woman stabbed her boyfriend something like eighty times
and they were like, oh, it was marijuana. So there
was nothing we could do about it because she had
this marijuana psychosis. And we know this is happening. I mean,
that's the thing when our legislator is going to come
out and say, wait a minute. We can't legalize marijuana
because we know it's causing peace people to do crazy things.
(34:01):
We can't allow pharmaceutical companies to get away with drugs
that they know are causing these massive side effects that
are not only destroying the life of the person who
takes it, but oftentimes all of the people around them.
I mean, people's lives are changed forever. Your family's life
was changed forever.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Bomb.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Yeah, I mean, it's just, you know, it's it's unspeakable
hardships and broken dreams, and it's just it's it's and
it's it's and it's for generations to come, you know,
as far as there's an example of uh, Lindsey Clancy
up up in Boston, you know, the delivery nurse that
(34:45):
that had to withdrawal from antidepressant medication and ended up
killing all three of her children and jumping out the
window and breaking her back, and now she's on trial
for murder. It's just, uh, it's again, just it's just
so devastating, horrific.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yeah, you have to ask, at that point, should someone
else be on trial for murder?
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Well, that's exactly the point, Tudor, And I'm glad you
brought it up because one of the things that's gonna
that's happening already and we'll continue to expand, is the
stories are flooding in. They're flooding in through Bob's Risks website.
They're flooding in through Woody Matters, which is Kim whitsex
or does her husband comitted suicide five days into zoloft
(35:29):
and he wasn't suicidal? She won her lawsuit, by the way,
And they're coming in through the Drug Adverse Event Awareness
Day that's coming out March twenty fourth. And as these
stories keep coming in, you know, we're just we are
seeking the attorney or attorneys that will take this on
from a mass toward class action standpoint. We're at that point.
(35:52):
We know we have an epidemic. We know that there's
a public health emergency as a result of this. We
know people you know, we're telling kids six, seven, eight
years old something's wrong with them.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Yep, yes, I know. And it is devastating and once
they're on, it changes their little world and you never
get them back.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
No, you never get them back, and they think they
have to be on a drug for life, and as
soon as they have another symptom of something. They're told
they're even worse than they thought, take another drug. So
it just keeps compounding. And these foster kids are really
in a tough spot. But we've got whistleblowers, we've got activists,
we've got people who've suffered harm like and God bless Bob.
(36:33):
I mean, Bob wants nothing from this but to stop
the epidemic, to stop this from happening to children all
over the place. He can't get those twenty years back,
you know, and he's made the best he can of
his life. But he can get time back, but he
can stop at least help parents understand that you've got
to demand informed consent. You've got to explore other options.
(36:56):
You do have alternatives if they are going to take
the drug, demand that they're monitored throughout and demand an
off ramp.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Well, and I appreciate what Bob is doing now because
I do think that God has a plan through crisis
and he uses people in different ways. And you have
a great voice here. I think that the I've watched
the trailer and planning to watch the documentary this week.
It's it's risks, It's very clever. Our xisks dot Com
go there and watch the documentary. Anybody who has these questions,
(37:28):
anybody who wants to report, is there a site? Do
they just report there? How do they come to you
and say, Hey, I've had the same problem. I need help.
I'd like representation.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
That's going to be coming on March twenty fourth, we
have the third year of inception. And what's interesting, it's
it's March twenty fourth is the twentieth anniversary of my
adverse event. So I think God has created a national
God moment.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
It happened to me so that, you know, you go
get coincidence or God just working miracles there, and he's
you know, I think if people are gonna be able
to go on this site and tell their story and
get the tool kids out there and find out if
we can make this a public health emergency, just like
(38:19):
the cancer and and heart heart disease, we can we
can declare this day UH an emergency for the for
the for the American people.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
I agree. Thank you both so much for being here. Bob,
you are so brave. I mean, honestly, I think that
anybody out there who's listening right now is going this
takes a lot of guts to come out there and say, look,
I I lost this, I lost this section of my life,
and I'm fighting for you so you don't lose it
as well. Bob Schwartz, Michelle Sarkisian, thank you so much
(38:51):
for being with me today.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Thank you good thank you, gut speed.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Thank you, thank you all for joining us on the
Tutor Dixon Podcast. For this episode and others, go to
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