March 22, 2024 • 40 mins
In this episode, Tudor explores the speculation and concern surrounding Kate Middleton's recent absence and surgery. Ellie Hall, a former Royal Reporter, provides insights into the inner workings of the Royal Family's PR machine and the tribalism that exists within it. The discussion delves into the controversy surrounding the edited photo of Kate and her children and the impact on the public's trust in Kensington Palace. The conversation also touches on rumors of William's affair with Rose Hanbury and the need for the royal couple to address the public's concerns and rebuild trust. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday, Wednesday, & Friday. FOr more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. All right, so let's
be honest. If you're like me, your guilty pleasure is
watching what's going on.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
With the Royals. And I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
I'm like, is it because in America we look at
this and we're like, see that royal family's not so great.
It's still not working out for you? Or is it
because growing up I grew up in the era where
William was like the super hot guy, and I'm like,
maybe maybe this is my Cinderella story.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Maybe he'll choose me.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Now, of course, Megan Markle has destroyed that for all
American women will never be chosen by any prince again
in our lives. So I don't know. I think it's
one of those things. But regardless of what it is,
we're all going, where's Kate Middleton? What happened to her?
And part of me is sort of like, I mean,
maybe I dodged that bullet with William because maybe she's
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not around. I don't know, but we're all very curious
what happened to Kate. So we decided, okay, we have
to get the best person to talk about this, someone
who has actually been rapport on the royal family and
knows what she's doing.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
So we are bringing in Ellie Hall. She is a DC.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Based freelance reporter who was BuzzFeed News's former royal reporter,
and she knows all of the inner workings of the
royal family and the pr machine behind them. Ellie, welcome
to the podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Absolutely thank you. So we're watching this from the outside.
We thought there was going to be this big update.
For some reason, we've watched Kate went into the hospital.
She had some surgery that she had to stay there
for two weeks. I think from my perspective I've had
I was a cancer patient, so I.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Was in the hospital. I was in the hospital and.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Had a double misseectomy and it was like two days
in the hospital. I don't think it was a full
two days in the hospital. So we're all curious. First
of all, what kind of surgery causes you to be
in there for two weeks? And then we don't see her.
There's the photoshop disaster. What is going on? We need
we need all the buzz.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Well, what I will say is that at the heart
of this, it's not so much about a princess at
a health crisis as it is about horrible public relations management.
I do not think that if Kensington Palace, and just
so your listeners understand, Kensington Palace is William and Kate's
press team, Buckingham Palace is the King and Queens. You
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might think that the royal family has a centralized press operation.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
They do not. It's very tribal and interesting.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah, and if Harry and Megan arts be believed, but
this is also something that we knew happened back in
the days of Diana and Charles, so it's not too
much of a stretch to imagine it still happens. Members
of different press teams will feed stories about the Royals
that they don't work for to the press in order
to get better press for their royals.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
So there's a lot of alleged backstabbing that goes on
in this environment.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
But anyway, as I was saying, Kensington Palace handled this
in a very strange way. From the very I think
that if they had perhaps followed the lead of Buckingham Palace,
because it's been quite interesting.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
There have been two different members of the world family
having medical issues at the same time, right yep.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah, So the King went into hospital a few days
after Kate to get his prostate checked out. He left
and then we heard that he had been diagnosed with cancer.
We don't know what kind of cancer, but he's been
diagnosed with cancer and he's receiving treatment. We saw him
not only be seen in public leaving the hospital, but
he's posted two personalized messages thanking the public for their support.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
There's been a.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Video of him reading getwell scene cards that members of
the public have sent.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
There's a reason why we're not.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Seeing any sort of conspiracy theory around the King and
what's going on with his health, and it's because Buckingham
Palace was very, very active in their public relations.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
So yeah, I don't think we would have gotten here.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
If this had been handled differently from the beginning, and
as we all saw as everything a step unfolds before us,
that if different decisions had been made this situation we have,
with all this online craziness and conspiracy theories, we would
it wouldn't have reached the fever pitch level that we're
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at now.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I mean, I think that we are used to everybody
watching the royal family very closely and we remember them.
I mean, even Diana going into the hospital to give birth,
coming out, we see the baby, we see them leaving
the hospital.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I think that really is what it is.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
It's first of all, like I said, why why such
a long stay? I think everybody went, oh my goodness,
what's wrong with her? And not from the standpoint of well,
we just want to have a good gossip time about
the royal families. Like people really genuinely love the royal family.
So and I think people have a special love for
Kate like they did for Diana. And so it's a
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question of well, why don't we know? And I think
our generation is a little bit more aware because of
what happened with Diana and then the family saying, you know,
we want the paparazzi away from us. We can't stand
all of this press. We understand a certain amount of secrecy,
but you are not a private family. And the fact
is that if I were in the UK, I would say, hey,
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we actually pay taxes and we want to know what's
going on with the people that we're supporting. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I saw a very funny tweet someone a British person
said that they would like to get a refund for
all of.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Their tax money.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
That was spent on the Palace pr team because obviously
it wasn't being put to good you right, yeah, so,
and I agree that Kate has a special place in
everybody's hearts because she hasn't.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Done really anything wrong.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
She's very obviously tried to make her life, adjust her
life and not have another Princess Diana situation. And I
think it's really important that you mentioned Princess Diana because.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I think the cultural memory that we all have of her, and.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
The questions that many people still have about the circumstances
of her death, the feelings that people have about the
pop rozzi and the press, and the feelings people have
about how she wasn't as supported by the royal family
as she could have been. I think people are remembering
all of that when they're looking at Kate and they're
seeing how long she was in the hospital, and they're
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seeing that we haven't received it, you know, up until
a certain point, we haven't received any personalized statements from her.
Kate is the first woman since Diana to hold the
title Princess of Wales, so I think it makes sense
that people are if there's a situation where we could
be worried about her people are going to be thinking
about Diana and wanting to make sure that we're not
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seeing this sort of thing again.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
So yeah, I mean, wouldn't wouldn't their children be Well,
their oldest is probably around the same age Harry was
when when they lost Diana, a.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Little bit younger. George will be eleven this year. Okay,
so but yeah, but that's only a three or four
years younger than Harry was.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
So yeah, we're get we're getting up there at eight.
And that's another key point.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
I've even seen people online who don't like Kate, who
say baby are bigger Harry and Megan supporters. But I've
seen people say that it doesn't matter how you feel
about Kate, like she's a mother and she's a good mother.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
We've seen this and you know, she fell in love
with a man.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
She didn't, you know, she signed up for this public
life because she fell in love with a man, and
that we need to remember that.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
And you're correct.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
The length of time in the hospital really has been
what was one of the first things that really made
people start wondering what was going on here, and it's
just sort of snowballed from there because for such a
long time we didn't have any information, We didn't have,
for lack.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Of a better word, any proof of life.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
And really once those things did start going, once we
did start seeing paparazzi photos or you know, the photo
of William and Kate in the car, and then the
whole disaster with the Mother's Day in the British Mother's
Day photo.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Every step that was.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Taken that could have solved this, they could have shut
these conspiracy theories down, made everything worse.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
But William has been out and reporters have yelled things
to him.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
He won't say anything.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
So you brought up she fell in love with a
man and she now she is the Princess of Wales. However,
there are stories now circulating that that man fell in
love with someone else.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
So what is going on with that story? All right?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
And this is uh I actually have a story coming
out today about this. But back in twenty nineteen, the
British press started publishing some stories about how Kate had
had a mysterious.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Falling out with one of her friends who was Kate
and Wayne's neighbor.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
They have a country house out in Norfolk in the UK,
and all the story said was that there had been
a friendship breakup, and Kate wanted this woman, whose name
is Lady Sarah Rose, the Marchioness of Chumley. Her maiden
name Hanbury, so you'll see her referred to in the
press as Rose Hanbury. Kate wanted her out of a
social circle. And the interesting thing was, after a few
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of these stories have been published, the royal family came
down pretty hard. They apparently were trying to decide whether
to threaten legal action against the news outlets that had
reported this friendship breakup. And this was all revealed in
a Daily Mail column by a guy named Richard Kay,
who's very well sourced in the Palace, so obviously the
Palace went to him and said, we want you to
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write this up. Why such a big reaction to a
story about a friendship breakup? So the press was hinting
at something. Libel laws are very different in the UK.
There are arguments about how much free speech do people
actually have there, because it's a very very different ballgame
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in terms of what you can say and if you
will be stewed for saying something. So what happened from
there was people online began to guess perhaps this was
coded language in the tabloids that William had had an
affair with Rose, and then in Touch Weekly, a American outlet,
had this huge magazine cover story and that this is
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the first week of April twenty nineteen, I want to say,
saying that there had been an affair, that William had
cheated on Kate with Rose Hanbury, and Kate was devastated.
And that was sort of the tipping point because nobody
in the UK press could report on it up until now.
But now that someone in America had sort of broken
the story, we saw a little bit of coverage of that,
and Prince William's lawyers set out letters to major media
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outlets saying, do not record in this story.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
This is a violation of privacy. We will go after you.
So you sort of saw all of that shut down
after a few months.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
So and this has been one of the interesting things
about this whole situation for royal watchers, because we heard
of Rose Henbry back in twenty nineteen no one, but
many people hadn't even heard those rumors. And because of
all of the pr mistmanagement, there was this space for
all of these old skeletons in the royal family's closet
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to come out. So where we're at now is people
are suddenly discovering that there was all this speculation about
William cheatingh on K back in twenty nineteen, and there
have been many conspiracy theories around Rose. And it's very
interesting because she up until now has never commented on it.
But last week her lawyers, Business Insider got the scoop.
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Her lawyers said, the rumors of an affair are all nonsense.
So we've reached a point now where she feels she
has to comment on it, and yeah, so it's but
a little crazy.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
So I why then, let me try to pick this
apart a little bit, because we've seen the rumors obviously,
and we see the pictures of George on the balcony
with Rose's sons during the coronation of King Charles, and
everybody's like, why would they have been there?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Why did they get these fantastic.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Seats where they're on the balcony and the other kids
aren't even there?
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Why? So why is that? Well, so the let me
see you.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Rose is married to David rock Savage, the Marquess of Chumbley,
and he had an important role in Queen Elizabeth's reign
and he's was given I care for his exact tide
when he was given a pretty cushy job to the King,
like a personal advisor, so it sort of made sense
that one of his sons was a page of honor.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
They went looking.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
For children who were around Prince George's age, because George
was one two who could really just carry the robes
during the coronation ceremony, So it made sense.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
This family that's.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Been associated with the worlds for a long time, the
title Chumbley. There have been Chumley's forever, dating back hundreds
of years, and they've always been close to the crown
all of that.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
But that was something that people.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Noticed that, you know, this this family was close enough
to the royals that their son was given an unimportant
job in the coronation, and there has been you know,
the outfit that rose War to the coronation was written
up and it was pointed out that like, she wore
the same shoes that Kate had worn the day before.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
So if you look at the British press.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
They don't say things, but depending on what they cover,
you can sort of see what they're hinting at. And
this past these past few weeks after the Mother's Day
photo came out, which I'm sure we'll get to, but
there is a whole controversy about that and how.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
It was edited.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
You start, we started seeing some UK outlets on on
Twitter x post like who is Rose Hanbury an explainer
to the marchings of Chumley? And many people commented and
I think this is a valid theory that this was
sort of a shot across the bow at the royal family.
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You know they why did they put an explainer up
on Rose Handbury? Well, you know, maybe we'll report some
more things on her. We're just showing you that we
can start writing about.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
This if we want to. So I don't know how
accurate that is.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
You're not going to talk to us. We'll put our
own stuff out that is.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Yeah, the relationship between the British press and the British
monarchy is fascinating. It's one of the things that I
enjoy covering, almost more than the Royal family itself, because
it's such an interesting relationship.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
And if you watch stories that are published, if you watch.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
People who get scoops, you really can sort of see
the strategy at work there.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon podcast. We are used to people being
able to say anything about anyone and this is kind
of like a poetry of nuance over in the UK,
so you have to read between the lines. So let's
get to that picture, because that was really when the
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fire storm started.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
She's gone.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
We're okay with the fact that she's gone, I think
at this point, because we've been told she had the surgery,
she's a mom. We're like, we're gonna let her heal,
We're not going to say anything about where she is.
And then this picture comes out and there's drama, I mean,
and then the American press the next morning is.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Like, oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
You know, we had to take this picture down because
Kate Middleton somehow altered this picture. And I think all
of us were like, oh my gosh, her head is
on someone else's body, like it's got to be something extreme.
But then I pull it up and I'm like, wait
a minute, it's like the one it's the little girl's wrist,
it's a little boy sweater. Why was it such a
big deal that she did this to this photo?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Well, so this is a.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Very important thing about the royal family. How it operates
now and it goes back to Princess Diana. So I'm
sure you remember seeing, you know, the footage of Charles
and Diana on their trip to Australia and little William
on the blanket walking in front of the cameras, or
you know, William in the garden at Kinsican Palace going
up to the cameraman. The way it used to be
was press photographers and videographers would have a photo call
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with the royal family and their children. They'd come in,
they'd take some photos, they'd get out, and those photos
would be used by the world to you know, just
here's what the royal family's up to.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Here's what the royal kids are up to.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
When George was born, waym and Kate's eldest child, William
made the decision that he wasn't going to play that.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Game with his kids.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
What they were going to do instead was they would
take photos and they would give them to the press
to run. So that you know, and most of the
time Kate took those photos we've seen that, you know,
of the past eleven years ten eleven years.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
She's an amateur photographer. She takes photos of her.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Kids and the fact that these handout photos are being
given to the press means that these are news photos.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
These are not family photos.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
These are images that are part of the historical record
and are going to be shared with the world, and
they should be the same quality and at the same
standard as photos that a member of the press would come.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
In and take. So we haven't had any controversy sees
like this up until.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Now, but if you follow the royal family, there are
definitely times where the images have been edited, but nobody
really looked at.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
It that closely before. And I think that's what's interesting.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
About this, because you can't imagine a worse time to
have manipulated an image.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
The whole world wants to see a photo of Kate.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Everyone is going to look very closely at this picture
because there have been so many rumors about her.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
There probably has.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Never been a time in the royal family's history where
there was so much writing on a single image and
that image was edited. When there are conspiracy theories circulating,
the absolute last thing you want to do is give
the conspiracy theorys something they can point to and say, see,
I told you it was a cover up, and that
is exactly what this photo did so in terms of
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why the media agencies started issuing kill notices. And this
wasn't just like one news agency. These were all the
major news agencies in the world. You had Associated Press, AFP,
Getty reiters. But a key thing here is they didn't
start killing that photo until they went to Kensington Palace
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and said, hey, we see there are edits here on
this photo. We can't run this because you know, we
were supposed to report the news we're supposed to give
our readers around the world and like true images, because
all of these agencies have very very strict rules about what.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
You can edit or not.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
A little bit of cropping that's okay, filters absolutely not.
So Kensington Palace, though, didn't give them the original image, and.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
That's something that they were begging for because they don't
want this is this looks bad for everybody have.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Like, okay, well here's the real image. We wanted to
cut out someone's straight hair.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
No, yes, So what I've heard that there are big
lots of different signs of editing in there. Some people
have said there are signs that you know, around Kate's
chest area, there were some copying and pasting, but this
image could have been a composite of five different pictures
or six different pictures, so maybe somebody's eyes were closed
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in one and they just sort of took the best
version of all the photos that I've seen. Some professional
photographers say that they think that's.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
What might have been done.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
But you think if it was five images put together,
why not just give the press an image where Charlotte's
looking away or Charlotte's got her eyes closed, just to
show that there's no cover up here.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
There's been no huge editing.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Kensing and Palace wouldn't do that, and that was done
before these kill orders went out, so this wasn't just
a reaction.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
This was something they didn't want to do this.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
The agencies wanted the real photo and Kensing and Palace
wouldn't give it to them, and they still haven't given
it to them. So that's something that isn't great, and
it's something I think we're going to see the repercussions
of this through the next few months, maybe years, because
this was a violation of the trust in the eyes
of the press that they've had with the royal family
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for all these years.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
They've been trusting the royal family with these handout photos.
Are they going to so yeah, is.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
This why we're seeing that these organizations are saying that
they feel as though they're not Kensington Palace is no
longer a trustworthy source of information?
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah, I think it was.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
One of the directors of the AFP said, you know,
when it comes to edited photos, we're used to this
sort of thing in North Korea. We're not used to
this coming from the British royal family. I mean, why
would you doctor photos, particularly of something as innocent as.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
A mother with her three kids.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
So I think that's from our perspective, everybody was like, okay,
but what's the big deal? So this is kind of
the backstory now we get it, they won't provide the
real picture. Still calls into question what's going on with
k I know that we've seen them in the car,
we've seen the picture or the video of them walking.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
It's grainy.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
There's been people that have said that this is a
body double. I'm not going there, but I do think
that it is really fishy that she had this surgery.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
And we haven't seen her.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
And like I said, it's not even her, it's that
William won't come out and say anything. He is her husband,
and you sort of expect in certain situations for the
husband as the spouse and the person who cares for
the other person to come out and be in that
protective mode of hey, you know what, give us some time.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Kate's doing well. We thank you for the waal wishes.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
I mean, even like you've pointed out King Charles saying, hey,
thanks for the whal wishes here, I am reading these.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
But there's nothing.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
No, there's the only thing we've gotten from William is
in a few speeches he's mentioned, you know how grateful
he is for the people who've sent good thoughts towards
his father and his wife. He visited a synagogue and
said that he and his wife were really worried about
the rise and anti Semitism. But we haven't gotten him
addressing his wife's health at all.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
And I think that makes us kind of mad, because
those of us who grew up with them growing up
at the same time and watched him and thought he
was like this great guy, and saw this love story
and think of him as like this phenomenal husband to
Kate and they have this great fairy.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Tale love story.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
This is a moment where you go, well, wait a minute,
come out and say something. And it's not because we
just because we want to know, but because you're making
her look like an idiot.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah, or you're making it looks secretive.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
And this is People have asked me, Ellie, what's your
big theory about what's going on? And my theory is
that it has been William particularly, but maybe William and
Kate who have been running this thing. I mean, a
public relations team is only is good as the level
in which he listened to them is. If you don't
listen to a pr team, they're not going to help you.
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I think that Kate and William have really really wanted
this to be private, absolutely nothing to do with the public.
In the first statement that came out announcing Kate was
in the hospital, it said she wants her personal medical
information to remain private. And I think that they have
been driving the strategy thinking only from the perspective of
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this is private medical business, and they've sort of lost
the bigger picture that they are members of the royal
family and if you create this information void, people are
going to rush to fill it because that's what humans do.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
We want to explain things, we want to understand things, well,
and you.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
At the same time, you have this whole Netflix documentary.
You have Harry and Megan in the United States, like
totally belligerent coming out and telling all of their stories
about the royal family. And I think it's so crazy
because I feel like the majority of the world.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
I mean, we've all.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Watched this, and even if you say I don't care,
you've watched, you've sort of cared, So don't lie about that.
And as we've watched it, we've been really team William
because we're like, what kind of horrible person leaves their
family and then tells all their secrets, you know? And
now having William be this guy who's like this uptight
jerk that won't come out and talk to anybody and
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say anything.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
But you are the You are the future king people.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
You are the man who is supposed to be the
man of the people, like people want to look to
you as the king of their nation. And whether that,
you know, whether that is a I guess an honorary title,
or you really have true power. I mean, you're that's
still your position. And the fact that he acts like
he should live a private life, well, if that's the case,
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then maybe you should run off to America and become
a belligerent royal as well, because we expect more from you.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
And what we're beginning to see here is sort of
a resurrect in the press, at least is a resurrection
of some of the old complaints that had been raised against.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Will for a while they're in the press.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
He had the nickname Workshy Wills because at the end
of the year, the royal family releases a list of
how many engagements each member does, and it was shameful.
I think you would see back even when Prince Philip
was still doing engagements, he would do double the amount
that William and Kate did. The Queen would do something
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like cripple, and people are sort of beginning to think, Okay,
you know, you're not telling us anything about your wife,
and you just said that you're going to take, you know,
a three week vacation.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
What's going on here?
Speaker 3 (25:36):
If you're not working and you're not telling us anything, Like,
what is what's what's going on here?
Speaker 2 (25:43):
What's the use of you?
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Like you are going to be a king for far
longer than your father is going to be a king.
Don't you sort of feel like you shouldn't be stepping
it up here, and shouldn't you be trying to find
a way that you're comfortable with and your wife is
comfortable with to reassure people, because that's a key thing here.
A lot of people are genuinely worried about Kate. Now
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they may have different theories about what's going on with Kate,
but they are really worried because the questions you.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Have to ask are why not release the original photo?
Things like that.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
There are so many small things that to outsiders at
least seem like not a big deal, a very easy fix,
and those things haven't been done, and people just have
a lot of questions.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
And ironically, the thing that we grew up with with
the Royal family when I was growing up, obviously Diana
was out there a lot and she was doing all
and that was I think why people loved her here.
She was giving her time to go travel to see orphans,
to take care of children, and she was so hands
on and so available. I think just the availability of
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Diana made people feel like they were close to the
royal family in a way Charles was never going to
be able to accomplish. And the personality conflict there obviously
was very large, but it made the Royal family touchable, lovable,
you know, it made the Royal family different.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
And the funny, the ironic thing about this is that
Harry got that.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
That's Harry, and I think that when Harry and William
were so close, people still felt like we have this
connection to the Royal family. And Harry provided all of
the things that Diana provided that William couldn't be. And
now that there's this rift and there's no more Harry,
let's face it, he's not a part of the Royal
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family anymore.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
What do we have left. We are looking to Kate
to pull us all together. Now Kate's missing, and it
really is bizarre because then that leaves no one no
And this is the thing.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
So before Harry and Meghan left, there is a lot
of talk in the well the now king back then,
Prince Charles purposely fed this out to the press that
he wanted to support a slimmed down monarchy, that's the
exact phrase they use, because it would save save taxpayer
pounds and you know, it would just make everything work
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a little easier if there were fewer members who were
being supported by the public. And what we're seeing now
is the problem with that? If you have two people
out of commission, there's a limit to how much.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
You can do. And what's more, Kate is without a doubt,
the most popular member of the world family, and she's
also the one that sells papers.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
I mean, people love her. Everyone wants to see what
she's up to. I was just talking about this with
a friend. But there are probably about ten blogs that
are devoted only to what she wears.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
So if you ever see Kate wearing.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Something and you're like, I want that, believe me, there's
a blog. They've already figured out what that item is
and they're linking to.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Until you can purchase it.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
And they think I'm that person because I literally get
that on Facebook every day. Do you want Kate Middleton's wedges?
These are them? And I'm like, I don't know, do
I do I need to have her wedges? But I
can completely see that she is well loved and that
is really that has been the connection.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
And we don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
I mean, I guess everybody can say, Okay, well she's fine,
but are we going to see her at Easter? Do
we expect her to come out?
Speaker 3 (29:22):
So this is interesting. The Sunday Times lot. Yeah not yeah,
it was this past Sunday, over the weekend. The Sunday Times,
who their Royal reporter, is very well sourced, but this
story said that Kate might not be seen during the
Royal family's traditional walk to church on Easter because that
would be during her children's school holidays, and they don't
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work during their children's school holidays, so we might be
seeing even later, like the Easter doesn't mean the religious holiday,
but Easter means the end of the Easter holidays, and
William would also be taking that time off, which isn't great.
But the story also said that Kate was going to
be getting back into more of her charity work with
her patronages. Her big calls is early Childhood, early Years,
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mental Health, Early year's support to sort of help set
children up for success, and hopefully if she starts doing that,
we'll be able to get some positive press. But where
we're at right now is there haven't been any real
concrete signs of when she'll be back, and people really
want that because I don't think this is going to
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die down until she is back out doing her job,
shaking hands, seeing people waving to the cameras because there
have been so many unexplainable weird things that have happened.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
And in that I include, you know, the TMZ photo.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Of her and her mother, and the video that came
out over the weekend of her and William at the
farmer's market, just all of these, all these little.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Things, and do you believe that video is real? Here's
what I think about video.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
We saw when the first paparazzi photo came out that
the Palace leaned heavily on the British press not to
publish it.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
So this went up in America. No one in the
UK published that photo.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
They all wrote stories that the photo had been taken,
but they didn't show the photo because the Palace said
it would be a violation of kid's privacy to print
this image. Then fast forward to this past weekend, we
have this video that comes out of her and her
husband walking out of a farmer's market near their home,
and the Palace doesn't say anything. And the reporter who
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broke this story has said on Twitter X that they
went to the Palace for confirmation that this was actually them.
They went to the Palace for comment and the Palace
didn't block it. I think if it wasn't William and
Kate in that video, they would have blocked it. This
was in my opinion, as someone who's covered the Royal
family for eleven years now and has had many interactions
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with the press office, I believe that the reason for
the videos publication was so that the Royal family's press
team could remain in a position of power and not
look like they had given in to this public demand
for more images.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Of Kate, videos of Kate. This sort of got their
job done for them if they let this video.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Yeah, as a person who has watched Star Wars, I
of course immediately assumed it was a decoy, like Queen
Amidala has.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
One, so it must be that Kate has one as well.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Well. A lot of people have said that, and there's
been a lot of people even comparing videos of Kate
walking to the video of Kate walking over the weekend
and attempts to zoom in. And I do think that
a point that is important is like, I don't know
about you, but my iPhone can take better videos than that.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
All right, that was a very grainy video.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
I saw someone online say it look like you know
those old razor flip phones that every court used to
have that did such grady video you couldn't zoom in.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Yes, it was conveniently horrible. Yeah, I was conveniely horrible.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
And even from the conveniently horrible stance, did look like
the Kate were used to. But it does make sense.
She was obviously has lost weight, but that makes sense.
If you've had surgery, you're not feeling that great. You're
probably not eating that much.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
She cannot lose weight. This is the smallest person on
the planet. So I think that's the other thing. We're
all like, well, wait a minute, this is someone who
already you know. It's funny because when you have a
surgery like that, I mean, I think most people think, gosh,
this must be cancer, this must be something terrible, you know,
And anytime you have a surgery like that, you do
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have a recovery period. And we look at Kate and
we go, gosh, she doesn't really have a lot of
to spare, So if she has to recover, she doesn't
have a lot of reserves there because she's just naturally
a very thin person. And so I think that's another concern.
And when we see that video, we're like, this is
a I don't even men. I think the person even
looked shorter than her, but I don't know. It just
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seemed very, very weird, and I think them not saying
anything like, oh, well, it's great that they got to
go to the farmer's market together.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
You know, why not say anything? It's just so bizarre.
It doesn't make sense. And this is the whole I'm
sure you've heard this before.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
The royal family's unofficial motto when it comes to the
press is never complain, never explain, So never complain about
bad coverage, and if there are these mysteries, don't ever
explain it because it sort of takes away from you know,
this idea of the royal families being above everything. What
I really think we're seeing here is never complain, never explain,
only works up to a point.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
In a digital world.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
It reaches a point where you're just gonna lose control
of the narrative because social media is driving it. And
that's been fascinating for me, because social media has been
driving all of this. Social media has forced the Palace
to respond to what is essentially gossip, and that's something
that they have never done before.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Let's take a quick commercial break We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast. So, you know what paparazzi was bad,
but now everyone has a cell phone. Everybody is an
amateur reporter, journalist and ambush journalist. I mean everybody out
there can be taking video and it just seems weird
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that one person got a shot really far away. I
don't know, it just doesn't add up. But we are
all watching from the sidelines. We want to find out
what the truth is. I think everybody is going to
be interested until we see Kate actually come out and
talk to cameras. And I will say one more time,
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very very weird that William will not respond.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Yeah, and that you can even see videos of him
from the past few weeks of people asking him questions
and at as he goes into you a diva or something,
and he's he's not responding, And this is his personality
is very, very stubborn, and I feel where we're at
now is he just doesn't want to.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Do absolutely anything to do with this.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
He doesn't want it to be seen like the press
is driving him or social media is driving him. I'd
really recommend the Daily Beasts reporter Tom Sykes is very
well sourced within William's circle, and the stories he's been
publishing have been really interesting because it's all friends of
William and Kate and their attitude as reflected in.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
These pieces is interesting.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Yeah, it is like no, like they don't care about this.
Social media is stupid, it's so toxic. We're going to
not respond to it. We're just going to try to
ignore it.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
And as you know.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
We've established here, you can only ignore it up to
a point. When it's starts driving the narrative. You really
need to step in and get control or else it's
going to get completely out of hands.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
And I mean, really outside of their reputation, what are
they if they don't have a reputation of loving the
people and being, like I said, being the royalty of
the people. And the fact that he is being like
this I think is really hurting him. I think it
will hurt him for years to come. As you said,
this could go on for months. I really think that
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this is forming an opinion of him, just like when
Harry did what he did. I mean, once you turn
on a public figure like this, it's really hard to get.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
The love back.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
So if William doesn't come out soon, I think this
could do long term damage to his reputation.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Yeah, I think what I think they're going to have
to do a big gesture, I think, And that was
something that the Sunday Time story I referenced earlier made
clear too. That he and Kate are reportedly in discussions
about how she can talk about this once she's back,
you know, doing her work, and she's the authority on herself,
so she she'll be able to calm this down by
talking about herself. But I really think I agree William
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needs to be part of that. Whatever she does, he
needs to be part of that because if he does
a good job explaining, we all can understand, especially given
what happened to Diana, his desire to protect his wife
from all of this. But it does reach a level,
and I'll say, when we've gotten to the point where
people online really believe, like one of the theories that's
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been circulating is that you know, Kate might be a
domestic abuse victim. When you've reached the level where people
expect where you are speculating about that, that's a very
good sign that you need to do something, because yeah, no,
that's that's one of the that's a conspiracy theories it's
been around for.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
A while now. And you know, as I said, it is,
why can't she show her face? What is she? What
is hiding? And what? Oh gosh that does that goes
to the photoshop stuff.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
And I mean not to spread that rumor, but I mean,
as a woman, you really do go what is it
that powerful people can hide stuff? I think I'll just
say this last thing. I think it's so funny that
I see all these people that are like.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
You know, Charles has cancer and he's treating with herbs,
and like the royal princess is missing, and it's there's
a rumor that the Royal prince is having an affair.
At this point, France would be invading. And I'm like,
I don't know. This sounds pretty much like the royal
family all throughout history, Like why is that any different?
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Yeah, We're just we're not used to it.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
I mean, I think you know, if we go back
one hundred years or three hundred years, everyone back one
back then can be oh yuys, this business as usual.
But we're just we're not used to it. And it
partly is because William and Kate in particular have done
a very good job, interacting with the public, getting out there,
being seen, supporting their causes, and where we're at now
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is not great and they really will need to come
back and hit the ground running to start re establishing
that level of trust and affection with the public, right yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Yeah, absolutely, Well, when they finally come back, we'd love
to have you back on to talk about it. Ali Hall,
thank you so much for being here today, thank you
for having me absolutely and thank you all for joining
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Speaker 2 (39:59):
Have a blessed
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. All right, so let's
be honest. If you're like me, your guilty pleasure is
watching what's going on.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
With the Royals. And I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
I'm like, is it because in America we look at
this and we're like, see that royal family's not so great.
It's still not working out for you? Or is it
because growing up I grew up in the era where
William was like the super hot guy, and I'm like,
maybe maybe this is my Cinderella story.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Maybe he'll choose me.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Now, of course, Megan Markle has destroyed that for all
American women will never be chosen by any prince again
in our lives. So I don't know. I think it's
one of those things. But regardless of what it is,
we're all going, where's Kate Middleton? What happened to her?
And part of me is sort of like, I mean,
maybe I dodged that bullet with William because maybe she's
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not around. I don't know, but we're all very curious
what happened to Kate. So we decided, okay, we have
to get the best person to talk about this, someone
who has actually been rapport on the royal family and
knows what she's doing.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
So we are bringing in Ellie Hall. She is a DC.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Based freelance reporter who was BuzzFeed News's former royal reporter,
and she knows all of the inner workings of the
royal family and the pr machine behind them. Ellie, welcome
to the podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Absolutely thank you. So we're watching this from the outside.
We thought there was going to be this big update.
For some reason, we've watched Kate went into the hospital.
She had some surgery that she had to stay there
for two weeks. I think from my perspective I've had
I was a cancer patient, so I.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Was in the hospital. I was in the hospital and.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Had a double misseectomy and it was like two days
in the hospital. I don't think it was a full
two days in the hospital. So we're all curious. First
of all, what kind of surgery causes you to be
in there for two weeks? And then we don't see her.
There's the photoshop disaster. What is going on? We need
we need all the buzz.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Well, what I will say is that at the heart
of this, it's not so much about a princess at
a health crisis as it is about horrible public relations management.
I do not think that if Kensington Palace, and just
so your listeners understand, Kensington Palace is William and Kate's
press team, Buckingham Palace is the King and Queens. You
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might think that the royal family has a centralized press operation.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
They do not. It's very tribal and interesting.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah, and if Harry and Megan arts be believed, but
this is also something that we knew happened back in
the days of Diana and Charles, so it's not too
much of a stretch to imagine it still happens. Members
of different press teams will feed stories about the Royals
that they don't work for to the press in order
to get better press for their royals.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
So there's a lot of alleged backstabbing that goes on
in this environment.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
But anyway, as I was saying, Kensington Palace handled this
in a very strange way. From the very I think
that if they had perhaps followed the lead of Buckingham Palace,
because it's been quite interesting.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
There have been two different members of the world family
having medical issues at the same time, right yep.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah, So the King went into hospital a few days
after Kate to get his prostate checked out. He left
and then we heard that he had been diagnosed with cancer.
We don't know what kind of cancer, but he's been
diagnosed with cancer and he's receiving treatment. We saw him
not only be seen in public leaving the hospital, but
he's posted two personalized messages thanking the public for their support.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
There's been a.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Video of him reading getwell scene cards that members of
the public have sent.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
There's a reason why we're not.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Seeing any sort of conspiracy theory around the King and
what's going on with his health, and it's because Buckingham
Palace was very, very active in their public relations.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
So yeah, I don't think we would have gotten here.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
If this had been handled differently from the beginning, and
as we all saw as everything a step unfolds before us,
that if different decisions had been made this situation we have,
with all this online craziness and conspiracy theories, we would
it wouldn't have reached the fever pitch level that we're
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at now.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I mean, I think that we are used to everybody
watching the royal family very closely and we remember them.
I mean, even Diana going into the hospital to give birth,
coming out, we see the baby, we see them leaving
the hospital.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I think that really is what it is.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
It's first of all, like I said, why why such
a long stay? I think everybody went, oh my goodness,
what's wrong with her? And not from the standpoint of well,
we just want to have a good gossip time about
the royal families. Like people really genuinely love the royal family.
So and I think people have a special love for
Kate like they did for Diana. And so it's a
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question of well, why don't we know? And I think
our generation is a little bit more aware because of
what happened with Diana and then the family saying, you know,
we want the paparazzi away from us. We can't stand
all of this press. We understand a certain amount of secrecy,
but you are not a private family. And the fact
is that if I were in the UK, I would say, hey,
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we actually pay taxes and we want to know what's
going on with the people that we're supporting. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I saw a very funny tweet someone a British person
said that they would like to get a refund for
all of.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Their tax money.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
That was spent on the Palace pr team because obviously
it wasn't being put to good you right, yeah, so,
and I agree that Kate has a special place in
everybody's hearts because she hasn't.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Done really anything wrong.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
She's very obviously tried to make her life, adjust her
life and not have another Princess Diana situation. And I
think it's really important that you mentioned Princess Diana because.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I think the cultural memory that we all have of her, and.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
The questions that many people still have about the circumstances
of her death, the feelings that people have about the
pop rozzi and the press, and the feelings people have
about how she wasn't as supported by the royal family
as she could have been. I think people are remembering
all of that when they're looking at Kate and they're
seeing how long she was in the hospital, and they're
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seeing that we haven't received it, you know, up until
a certain point, we haven't received any personalized statements from her.
Kate is the first woman since Diana to hold the
title Princess of Wales, so I think it makes sense
that people are if there's a situation where we could
be worried about her people are going to be thinking
about Diana and wanting to make sure that we're not
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seeing this sort of thing again.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
So yeah, I mean, wouldn't wouldn't their children be Well,
their oldest is probably around the same age Harry was
when when they lost Diana, a.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Little bit younger. George will be eleven this year. Okay,
so but yeah, but that's only a three or four
years younger than Harry was.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
So yeah, we're get we're getting up there at eight.
And that's another key point.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
I've even seen people online who don't like Kate, who
say baby are bigger Harry and Megan supporters. But I've
seen people say that it doesn't matter how you feel
about Kate, like she's a mother and she's a good mother.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
We've seen this and you know, she fell in love
with a man.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
She didn't, you know, she signed up for this public
life because she fell in love with a man, and
that we need to remember that.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
And you're correct.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
The length of time in the hospital really has been
what was one of the first things that really made
people start wondering what was going on here, and it's
just sort of snowballed from there because for such a
long time we didn't have any information, We didn't have,
for lack.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Of a better word, any proof of life.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
And really once those things did start going, once we
did start seeing paparazzi photos or you know, the photo
of William and Kate in the car, and then the
whole disaster with the Mother's Day in the British Mother's
Day photo.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Every step that was.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Taken that could have solved this, they could have shut
these conspiracy theories down, made everything worse.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
But William has been out and reporters have yelled things
to him.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
He won't say anything.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
So you brought up she fell in love with a
man and she now she is the Princess of Wales. However,
there are stories now circulating that that man fell in
love with someone else.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
So what is going on with that story? All right?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
And this is uh I actually have a story coming
out today about this. But back in twenty nineteen, the
British press started publishing some stories about how Kate had
had a mysterious.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Falling out with one of her friends who was Kate
and Wayne's neighbor.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
They have a country house out in Norfolk in the UK,
and all the story said was that there had been
a friendship breakup, and Kate wanted this woman, whose name
is Lady Sarah Rose, the Marchioness of Chumley. Her maiden
name Hanbury, so you'll see her referred to in the
press as Rose Hanbury. Kate wanted her out of a
social circle. And the interesting thing was, after a few
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of these stories have been published, the royal family came
down pretty hard. They apparently were trying to decide whether
to threaten legal action against the news outlets that had
reported this friendship breakup. And this was all revealed in
a Daily Mail column by a guy named Richard Kay,
who's very well sourced in the Palace, so obviously the
Palace went to him and said, we want you to
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write this up. Why such a big reaction to a
story about a friendship breakup? So the press was hinting
at something. Libel laws are very different in the UK.
There are arguments about how much free speech do people
actually have there, because it's a very very different ballgame
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in terms of what you can say and if you
will be stewed for saying something. So what happened from
there was people online began to guess perhaps this was
coded language in the tabloids that William had had an
affair with Rose, and then in Touch Weekly, a American outlet,
had this huge magazine cover story and that this is
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the first week of April twenty nineteen, I want to say,
saying that there had been an affair, that William had
cheated on Kate with Rose Hanbury, and Kate was devastated.
And that was sort of the tipping point because nobody
in the UK press could report on it up until now.
But now that someone in America had sort of broken
the story, we saw a little bit of coverage of that,
and Prince William's lawyers set out letters to major media
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outlets saying, do not record in this story.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
This is a violation of privacy. We will go after you.
So you sort of saw all of that shut down
after a few months.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
So and this has been one of the interesting things
about this whole situation for royal watchers, because we heard
of Rose Henbry back in twenty nineteen no one, but
many people hadn't even heard those rumors. And because of
all of the pr mistmanagement, there was this space for
all of these old skeletons in the royal family's closet
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to come out. So where we're at now is people
are suddenly discovering that there was all this speculation about
William cheatingh on K back in twenty nineteen, and there
have been many conspiracy theories around Rose. And it's very
interesting because she up until now has never commented on it.
But last week her lawyers, Business Insider got the scoop.
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Her lawyers said, the rumors of an affair are all nonsense.
So we've reached a point now where she feels she
has to comment on it, and yeah, so it's but
a little crazy.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
So I why then, let me try to pick this
apart a little bit, because we've seen the rumors obviously,
and we see the pictures of George on the balcony
with Rose's sons during the coronation of King Charles, and
everybody's like, why would they have been there?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Why did they get these fantastic.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Seats where they're on the balcony and the other kids
aren't even there?
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Why? So why is that? Well, so the let me
see you.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Rose is married to David rock Savage, the Marquess of Chumbley,
and he had an important role in Queen Elizabeth's reign
and he's was given I care for his exact tide
when he was given a pretty cushy job to the King,
like a personal advisor, so it sort of made sense
that one of his sons was a page of honor.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
They went looking.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
For children who were around Prince George's age, because George
was one two who could really just carry the robes
during the coronation ceremony, So it made sense.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
This family that's.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Been associated with the worlds for a long time, the
title Chumbley. There have been Chumley's forever, dating back hundreds
of years, and they've always been close to the crown
all of that.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
But that was something that people.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Noticed that, you know, this this family was close enough
to the royals that their son was given an unimportant
job in the coronation, and there has been you know,
the outfit that rose War to the coronation was written
up and it was pointed out that like, she wore
the same shoes that Kate had worn the day before.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
So if you look at the British press.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
They don't say things, but depending on what they cover,
you can sort of see what they're hinting at. And
this past these past few weeks after the Mother's Day
photo came out, which I'm sure we'll get to, but
there is a whole controversy about that and how.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
It was edited.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
You start, we started seeing some UK outlets on on
Twitter x post like who is Rose Hanbury an explainer
to the marchings of Chumley? And many people commented and
I think this is a valid theory that this was
sort of a shot across the bow at the royal family.
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You know they why did they put an explainer up
on Rose Handbury? Well, you know, maybe we'll report some
more things on her. We're just showing you that we
can start writing about.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
This if we want to. So I don't know how
accurate that is.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
You're not going to talk to us. We'll put our
own stuff out that is.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Yeah, the relationship between the British press and the British
monarchy is fascinating. It's one of the things that I
enjoy covering, almost more than the Royal family itself, because
it's such an interesting relationship.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
And if you watch stories that are published, if you watch.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
People who get scoops, you really can sort of see
the strategy at work there.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon podcast. We are used to people being
able to say anything about anyone and this is kind
of like a poetry of nuance over in the UK,
so you have to read between the lines. So let's
get to that picture, because that was really when the
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fire storm started.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
She's gone.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
We're okay with the fact that she's gone, I think
at this point, because we've been told she had the surgery,
she's a mom. We're like, we're gonna let her heal,
We're not going to say anything about where she is.
And then this picture comes out and there's drama, I mean,
and then the American press the next morning is.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Like, oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
You know, we had to take this picture down because
Kate Middleton somehow altered this picture. And I think all
of us were like, oh my gosh, her head is
on someone else's body, like it's got to be something extreme.
But then I pull it up and I'm like, wait
a minute, it's like the one it's the little girl's wrist,
it's a little boy sweater. Why was it such a
big deal that she did this to this photo?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Well, so this is a.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Very important thing about the royal family. How it operates
now and it goes back to Princess Diana. So I'm
sure you remember seeing, you know, the footage of Charles
and Diana on their trip to Australia and little William
on the blanket walking in front of the cameras, or
you know, William in the garden at Kinsican Palace going
up to the cameraman. The way it used to be
was press photographers and videographers would have a photo call
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with the royal family and their children. They'd come in,
they'd take some photos, they'd get out, and those photos
would be used by the world to you know, just
here's what the royal family's up to.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Here's what the royal kids are up to.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
When George was born, waym and Kate's eldest child, William
made the decision that he wasn't going to play that.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Game with his kids.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
What they were going to do instead was they would
take photos and they would give them to the press
to run. So that you know, and most of the
time Kate took those photos we've seen that, you know,
of the past eleven years ten eleven years.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
She's an amateur photographer. She takes photos of her.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Kids and the fact that these handout photos are being
given to the press means that these are news photos.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
These are not family photos.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
These are images that are part of the historical record
and are going to be shared with the world, and
they should be the same quality and at the same
standard as photos that a member of the press would come.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
In and take. So we haven't had any controversy sees
like this up until.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Now, but if you follow the royal family, there are
definitely times where the images have been edited, but nobody
really looked at.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
It that closely before. And I think that's what's interesting.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
About this, because you can't imagine a worse time to
have manipulated an image.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
The whole world wants to see a photo of Kate.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Everyone is going to look very closely at this picture
because there have been so many rumors about her.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
There probably has.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Never been a time in the royal family's history where
there was so much writing on a single image and
that image was edited. When there are conspiracy theories circulating,
the absolute last thing you want to do is give
the conspiracy theorys something they can point to and say, see,
I told you it was a cover up, and that
is exactly what this photo did so in terms of
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why the media agencies started issuing kill notices. And this
wasn't just like one news agency. These were all the
major news agencies in the world. You had Associated Press, AFP,
Getty reiters. But a key thing here is they didn't
start killing that photo until they went to Kensington Palace
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and said, hey, we see there are edits here on
this photo. We can't run this because you know, we
were supposed to report the news we're supposed to give
our readers around the world and like true images, because
all of these agencies have very very strict rules about what.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
You can edit or not.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
A little bit of cropping that's okay, filters absolutely not.
So Kensington Palace, though, didn't give them the original image, and.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
That's something that they were begging for because they don't
want this is this looks bad for everybody have.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Like, okay, well here's the real image. We wanted to
cut out someone's straight hair.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
No, yes, So what I've heard that there are big
lots of different signs of editing in there. Some people
have said there are signs that you know, around Kate's
chest area, there were some copying and pasting, but this
image could have been a composite of five different pictures
or six different pictures, so maybe somebody's eyes were closed
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in one and they just sort of took the best
version of all the photos that I've seen. Some professional
photographers say that they think that's.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
What might have been done.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
But you think if it was five images put together,
why not just give the press an image where Charlotte's
looking away or Charlotte's got her eyes closed, just to
show that there's no cover up here.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
There's been no huge editing.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Kensing and Palace wouldn't do that, and that was done
before these kill orders went out, so this wasn't just
a reaction.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
This was something they didn't want to do this.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
The agencies wanted the real photo and Kensing and Palace
wouldn't give it to them, and they still haven't given
it to them. So that's something that isn't great, and
it's something I think we're going to see the repercussions
of this through the next few months, maybe years, because
this was a violation of the trust in the eyes
of the press that they've had with the royal family
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for all these years.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
They've been trusting the royal family with these handout photos.
Are they going to so yeah, is.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
This why we're seeing that these organizations are saying that
they feel as though they're not Kensington Palace is no
longer a trustworthy source of information?
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah, I think it was.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
One of the directors of the AFP said, you know,
when it comes to edited photos, we're used to this
sort of thing in North Korea. We're not used to
this coming from the British royal family. I mean, why
would you doctor photos, particularly of something as innocent as.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
A mother with her three kids.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
So I think that's from our perspective, everybody was like, okay,
but what's the big deal? So this is kind of
the backstory now we get it, they won't provide the
real picture. Still calls into question what's going on with
k I know that we've seen them in the car,
we've seen the picture or the video of them walking.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
It's grainy.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
There's been people that have said that this is a
body double. I'm not going there, but I do think
that it is really fishy that she had this surgery.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
And we haven't seen her.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
And like I said, it's not even her, it's that
William won't come out and say anything. He is her husband,
and you sort of expect in certain situations for the
husband as the spouse and the person who cares for
the other person to come out and be in that
protective mode of hey, you know what, give us some time.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Kate's doing well. We thank you for the waal wishes.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
I mean, even like you've pointed out King Charles saying, hey,
thanks for the whal wishes here, I am reading these.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
But there's nothing.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
No, there's the only thing we've gotten from William is
in a few speeches he's mentioned, you know how grateful
he is for the people who've sent good thoughts towards
his father and his wife. He visited a synagogue and
said that he and his wife were really worried about
the rise and anti Semitism. But we haven't gotten him
addressing his wife's health at all.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
And I think that makes us kind of mad, because
those of us who grew up with them growing up
at the same time and watched him and thought he
was like this great guy, and saw this love story
and think of him as like this phenomenal husband to
Kate and they have this great fairy.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Tale love story.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
This is a moment where you go, well, wait a minute,
come out and say something. And it's not because we
just because we want to know, but because you're making
her look like an idiot.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah, or you're making it looks secretive.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
And this is People have asked me, Ellie, what's your
big theory about what's going on? And my theory is
that it has been William particularly, but maybe William and
Kate who have been running this thing. I mean, a
public relations team is only is good as the level
in which he listened to them is. If you don't
listen to a pr team, they're not going to help you.
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I think that Kate and William have really really wanted
this to be private, absolutely nothing to do with the public.
In the first statement that came out announcing Kate was
in the hospital, it said she wants her personal medical
information to remain private. And I think that they have
been driving the strategy thinking only from the perspective of
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this is private medical business, and they've sort of lost
the bigger picture that they are members of the royal
family and if you create this information void, people are
going to rush to fill it because that's what humans do.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
We want to explain things, we want to understand things, well,
and you.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
At the same time, you have this whole Netflix documentary.
You have Harry and Megan in the United States, like
totally belligerent coming out and telling all of their stories
about the royal family. And I think it's so crazy
because I feel like the majority of the world.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
I mean, we've all.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Watched this, and even if you say I don't care,
you've watched, you've sort of cared, So don't lie about that.
And as we've watched it, we've been really team William
because we're like, what kind of horrible person leaves their
family and then tells all their secrets, you know? And
now having William be this guy who's like this uptight
jerk that won't come out and talk to anybody and
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say anything.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
But you are the You are the future king people.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
You are the man who is supposed to be the
man of the people, like people want to look to
you as the king of their nation. And whether that,
you know, whether that is a I guess an honorary title,
or you really have true power. I mean, you're that's
still your position. And the fact that he acts like
he should live a private life, well, if that's the case,
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then maybe you should run off to America and become
a belligerent royal as well, because we expect more from you.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
And what we're beginning to see here is sort of
a resurrect in the press, at least is a resurrection
of some of the old complaints that had been raised against.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Will for a while they're in the press.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
He had the nickname Workshy Wills because at the end
of the year, the royal family releases a list of
how many engagements each member does, and it was shameful.
I think you would see back even when Prince Philip
was still doing engagements, he would do double the amount
that William and Kate did. The Queen would do something
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like cripple, and people are sort of beginning to think, Okay,
you know, you're not telling us anything about your wife,
and you just said that you're going to take, you know,
a three week vacation.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
What's going on here?
Speaker 3 (25:36):
If you're not working and you're not telling us anything, Like,
what is what's what's going on here?
Speaker 2 (25:43):
What's the use of you?
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Like you are going to be a king for far
longer than your father is going to be a king.
Don't you sort of feel like you shouldn't be stepping
it up here, and shouldn't you be trying to find
a way that you're comfortable with and your wife is
comfortable with to reassure people, because that's a key thing here.
A lot of people are genuinely worried about Kate. Now
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they may have different theories about what's going on with Kate,
but they are really worried because the questions you.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Have to ask are why not release the original photo?
Things like that.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
There are so many small things that to outsiders at
least seem like not a big deal, a very easy fix,
and those things haven't been done, and people just have
a lot of questions.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
And ironically, the thing that we grew up with with
the Royal family when I was growing up, obviously Diana
was out there a lot and she was doing all
and that was I think why people loved her here.
She was giving her time to go travel to see orphans,
to take care of children, and she was so hands
on and so available. I think just the availability of
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Diana made people feel like they were close to the
royal family in a way Charles was never going to
be able to accomplish. And the personality conflict there obviously
was very large, but it made the Royal family touchable, lovable,
you know, it made the Royal family different.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
And the funny, the ironic thing about this is that
Harry got that.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
That's Harry, and I think that when Harry and William
were so close, people still felt like we have this
connection to the Royal family. And Harry provided all of
the things that Diana provided that William couldn't be. And
now that there's this rift and there's no more Harry,
let's face it, he's not a part of the Royal
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family anymore.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
What do we have left. We are looking to Kate
to pull us all together. Now Kate's missing, and it
really is bizarre because then that leaves no one no
And this is the thing.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
So before Harry and Meghan left, there is a lot
of talk in the well the now king back then,
Prince Charles purposely fed this out to the press that
he wanted to support a slimmed down monarchy, that's the
exact phrase they use, because it would save save taxpayer
pounds and you know, it would just make everything work
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a little easier if there were fewer members who were
being supported by the public. And what we're seeing now
is the problem with that? If you have two people
out of commission, there's a limit to how much.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
You can do. And what's more, Kate is without a doubt,
the most popular member of the world family, and she's
also the one that sells papers.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
I mean, people love her. Everyone wants to see what
she's up to. I was just talking about this with
a friend. But there are probably about ten blogs that
are devoted only to what she wears.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
So if you ever see Kate wearing.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Something and you're like, I want that, believe me, there's
a blog. They've already figured out what that item is
and they're linking to.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Until you can purchase it.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
And they think I'm that person because I literally get
that on Facebook every day. Do you want Kate Middleton's wedges?
These are them? And I'm like, I don't know, do
I do I need to have her wedges? But I
can completely see that she is well loved and that
is really that has been the connection.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
And we don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
I mean, I guess everybody can say, Okay, well she's fine,
but are we going to see her at Easter? Do
we expect her to come out?
Speaker 3 (29:22):
So this is interesting. The Sunday Times lot. Yeah not yeah,
it was this past Sunday, over the weekend. The Sunday Times,
who their Royal reporter, is very well sourced, but this
story said that Kate might not be seen during the
Royal family's traditional walk to church on Easter because that
would be during her children's school holidays, and they don't
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work during their children's school holidays, so we might be
seeing even later, like the Easter doesn't mean the religious holiday,
but Easter means the end of the Easter holidays, and
William would also be taking that time off, which isn't great.
But the story also said that Kate was going to
be getting back into more of her charity work with
her patronages. Her big calls is early Childhood, early Years,
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mental Health, Early year's support to sort of help set
children up for success, and hopefully if she starts doing that,
we'll be able to get some positive press. But where
we're at right now is there haven't been any real
concrete signs of when she'll be back, and people really
want that because I don't think this is going to
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die down until she is back out doing her job,
shaking hands, seeing people waving to the cameras because there
have been so many unexplainable weird things that have happened.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
And in that I include, you know, the TMZ photo.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Of her and her mother, and the video that came
out over the weekend of her and William at the
farmer's market, just all of these, all these little.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Things, and do you believe that video is real? Here's
what I think about video.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
We saw when the first paparazzi photo came out that
the Palace leaned heavily on the British press not to
publish it.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
So this went up in America. No one in the
UK published that photo.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
They all wrote stories that the photo had been taken,
but they didn't show the photo because the Palace said
it would be a violation of kid's privacy to print
this image. Then fast forward to this past weekend, we
have this video that comes out of her and her
husband walking out of a farmer's market near their home,
and the Palace doesn't say anything. And the reporter who
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broke this story has said on Twitter X that they
went to the Palace for confirmation that this was actually them.
They went to the Palace for comment and the Palace
didn't block it. I think if it wasn't William and
Kate in that video, they would have blocked it. This
was in my opinion, as someone who's covered the Royal
family for eleven years now and has had many interactions
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with the press office, I believe that the reason for
the videos publication was so that the Royal family's press
team could remain in a position of power and not
look like they had given in to this public demand
for more images.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Of Kate, videos of Kate. This sort of got their
job done for them if they let this video.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Yeah, as a person who has watched Star Wars, I
of course immediately assumed it was a decoy, like Queen
Amidala has.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
One, so it must be that Kate has one as well.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Well. A lot of people have said that, and there's
been a lot of people even comparing videos of Kate
walking to the video of Kate walking over the weekend
and attempts to zoom in. And I do think that
a point that is important is like, I don't know
about you, but my iPhone can take better videos than that.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
All right, that was a very grainy video.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
I saw someone online say it look like you know
those old razor flip phones that every court used to
have that did such grady video you couldn't zoom in.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Yes, it was conveniently horrible. Yeah, I was conveniely horrible.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
And even from the conveniently horrible stance, did look like
the Kate were used to. But it does make sense.
She was obviously has lost weight, but that makes sense.
If you've had surgery, you're not feeling that great. You're
probably not eating that much.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
She cannot lose weight. This is the smallest person on
the planet. So I think that's the other thing. We're
all like, well, wait a minute, this is someone who
already you know. It's funny because when you have a
surgery like that, I mean, I think most people think, gosh,
this must be cancer, this must be something terrible, you know,
And anytime you have a surgery like that, you do
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have a recovery period. And we look at Kate and
we go, gosh, she doesn't really have a lot of
to spare, So if she has to recover, she doesn't
have a lot of reserves there because she's just naturally
a very thin person. And so I think that's another concern.
And when we see that video, we're like, this is
a I don't even men. I think the person even
looked shorter than her, but I don't know. It just
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seemed very, very weird, and I think them not saying
anything like, oh, well, it's great that they got to
go to the farmer's market together.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
You know, why not say anything? It's just so bizarre.
It doesn't make sense. And this is the whole I'm
sure you've heard this before.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
The royal family's unofficial motto when it comes to the
press is never complain, never explain, So never complain about
bad coverage, and if there are these mysteries, don't ever
explain it because it sort of takes away from you know,
this idea of the royal families being above everything. What
I really think we're seeing here is never complain, never explain,
only works up to a point.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
In a digital world.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
It reaches a point where you're just gonna lose control
of the narrative because social media is driving it. And
that's been fascinating for me, because social media has been
driving all of this. Social media has forced the Palace
to respond to what is essentially gossip, and that's something
that they have never done before.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Let's take a quick commercial break We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast. So, you know what paparazzi was bad,
but now everyone has a cell phone. Everybody is an
amateur reporter, journalist and ambush journalist. I mean everybody out
there can be taking video and it just seems weird
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that one person got a shot really far away. I
don't know, it just doesn't add up. But we are
all watching from the sidelines. We want to find out
what the truth is. I think everybody is going to
be interested until we see Kate actually come out and
talk to cameras. And I will say one more time,
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very very weird that William will not respond.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Yeah, and that you can even see videos of him
from the past few weeks of people asking him questions
and at as he goes into you a diva or something,
and he's he's not responding, And this is his personality
is very, very stubborn, and I feel where we're at
now is he just doesn't want to.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Do absolutely anything to do with this.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
He doesn't want it to be seen like the press
is driving him or social media is driving him. I'd
really recommend the Daily Beasts reporter Tom Sykes is very
well sourced within William's circle, and the stories he's been
publishing have been really interesting because it's all friends of
William and Kate and their attitude as reflected in.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
These pieces is interesting.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Yeah, it is like no, like they don't care about this.
Social media is stupid, it's so toxic. We're going to
not respond to it. We're just going to try to
ignore it.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
And as you know.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
We've established here, you can only ignore it up to
a point. When it's starts driving the narrative. You really
need to step in and get control or else it's
going to get completely out of hands.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
And I mean, really outside of their reputation, what are
they if they don't have a reputation of loving the
people and being, like I said, being the royalty of
the people. And the fact that he is being like
this I think is really hurting him. I think it
will hurt him for years to come. As you said,
this could go on for months. I really think that
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this is forming an opinion of him, just like when
Harry did what he did. I mean, once you turn
on a public figure like this, it's really hard to get.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
The love back.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
So if William doesn't come out soon, I think this
could do long term damage to his reputation.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Yeah, I think what I think they're going to have
to do a big gesture, I think, And that was
something that the Sunday Time story I referenced earlier made
clear too. That he and Kate are reportedly in discussions
about how she can talk about this once she's back,
you know, doing her work, and she's the authority on herself,
so she she'll be able to calm this down by
talking about herself. But I really think I agree William
(37:33):
needs to be part of that. Whatever she does, he
needs to be part of that because if he does
a good job explaining, we all can understand, especially given
what happened to Diana, his desire to protect his wife
from all of this. But it does reach a level,
and I'll say, when we've gotten to the point where
people online really believe, like one of the theories that's
(37:56):
been circulating is that you know, Kate might be a
domestic abuse victim. When you've reached the level where people
expect where you are speculating about that, that's a very
good sign that you need to do something, because yeah, no,
that's that's one of the that's a conspiracy theories it's
been around for.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
A while now. And you know, as I said, it is,
why can't she show her face? What is she? What
is hiding? And what? Oh gosh that does that goes
to the photoshop stuff.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
And I mean not to spread that rumor, but I mean,
as a woman, you really do go what is it
that powerful people can hide stuff? I think I'll just
say this last thing. I think it's so funny that
I see all these people that are like.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
You know, Charles has cancer and he's treating with herbs,
and like the royal princess is missing, and it's there's
a rumor that the Royal prince is having an affair.
At this point, France would be invading. And I'm like,
I don't know. This sounds pretty much like the royal
family all throughout history, Like why is that any different?
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Yeah, We're just we're not used to it.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
I mean, I think you know, if we go back
one hundred years or three hundred years, everyone back one
back then can be oh yuys, this business as usual.
But we're just we're not used to it. And it
partly is because William and Kate in particular have done
a very good job, interacting with the public, getting out there,
being seen, supporting their causes, and where we're at now
(39:25):
is not great and they really will need to come
back and hit the ground running to start re establishing
that level of trust and affection with the public, right yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Yeah, absolutely, Well, when they finally come back, we'd love
to have you back on to talk about it. Ali Hall,
thank you so much for being here today, thank you
for having me absolutely and thank you all for joining
us on the Tutor Dixon Podcast For this episode and others.
Check out Tutor Dixon podcast dot com and subscribe, or
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get your podcasts and join us next time on the
Tutor Dixon Podcast.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Have a blessed
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