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July 15, 2021 89 mins

Bill Wiese is the author of the New York Times best-selling book, 23 Minutes In Hell, which chronicles his life-changing visit to hell in 1998. Bill was a Christian for 28 years before this vision and left a successful career in real estate to commit his life to telling others about his terrifying experience. He has since authored six additional book titles and continues to travel around the world sharing the truth about hell. He and his wife Annette founded Soul Choice Ministries in late 2006 to reach people with the Biblical message of hell.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thanks to all of you for being with us. Eight
hundred and nine four one sean you want to be
a part of the program. They don't have the boats
that they want for this infrastructure madness. That is now
a fact. This is the three point five added to
the six hundred million, four point one trillion so called

(00:20):
human Infrastructure Plan, you know the one that oh, daycare
is childcare is infrastructure, and early pre k is infrastructure,
in college is infrastructure, and guaranteed government everything is infrastructure. No,
it's not infrastructure. And they just you know, instead of
calling it the New Green Deal, which is what it is,

(00:41):
and socialism, which is what it is, they try to
put different names around them. One report, Mansion now is
expressing his most serious concerns yet about elements of this
economic plan. If you even want to call that, this
is America's march to socialism. This is these are things

(01:02):
we cannot afford. These are things that you're great great
great great grandchildren will be paying for for the rest
of their lives. And this appeals to this notion that
government will take away every fear you may have in
your life. You'll have no more anxiety. They are promising

(01:22):
you things they can never fulfill the cradle to grave,
the womb to the tomb. Call it socialism, Marxism, statism, authoritarianism,
and every time it has been tried, every attempt, whatever
name it's given, whatever manifestation it takes on, I don't
care if it's communism China, you know, Marxism, socialism, and

(01:49):
what it always fails. The promises are never fulfilled. It
ends up with more poverty. And then it's a matter
of how much of your freedom did you surrender in
the name of false security, because it's false security, and
this is where we now find ourselves. Now, what's amazing
about this is, you know, every everybody sees it's not

(02:12):
getting through. Everybody notices what has Joe Biden done successfully
so far? He took Donald Trump's what Operation Warp Speed
were a million shots a day. We're already being given
to people before Joe Biden ever got sworn into office.
Is he going to take credit for that? Barely mentions?

(02:34):
Oh yeah, Donald Trump made that happen. As we've been
discussing inflation and the dangers and what it means, it
is it hurts the people that can least afford it
the most because everything you pay for is costing more,
and then a factor in the higher cost of energy

(02:55):
at about about twenty five extra per gallon, which is
a lot of money for anybody. I hate paying more
for gasoline when I was paying a dollar twenty five
less last year. I don't like it. And I can
afford it, but I don't like it. I don't want
to pay more to heat my home. I don't want
to pay more to cool my home. I want to
pay less. I want to keep more of what I

(03:17):
earned to New York is nearly impossible. Anyway, The CEOs
around the country, they're seeing the danger. They're seeing. This
isn't a blimp. They're seeing month after month inflation and
the prices for goods and services or at this historic
rise or pace of rising prices, a phenomenon that sum said, well,

(03:39):
it's only it's only a blimp on the radar. Okay,
Well they said that four months ago. What are they
saying now. Business executives that they're being outspoken about this.
They're given their perspectives, and these are the guys that
know the business leaders. Business executives. They're in they're in
business to make a profit. They create goods and services

(04:00):
that people want, need and desire, and when their costs
go up, when raw material costs go up, when fuel
costs go up, well they end up passing that higher
cost on to we, the people, the consumer. It's just
the natural way things unfold. You know. They're the ones
that set the prices on what their businesses sell, and

(04:23):
they're saying inflation is much worse than most people think.
Even Jamie Diamond of JP Morgan Chase said it. He's
their CEO. He said it on an earnings call two
days ago. I think it'll be a little little worse
than the FED things. I don't think it's only temporary either.
Policymakers are saying jobs are more important than consumerism. Black

(04:44):
Rock CEO Larry Fink, he said on CNBC. These you
may not like these quote CEOs, but they're not stupid.
They run successful companies that make huge amounts of money.
This is going to probably lead to stematically more inflation.
These are smart guys. This the economy matters to everybody.

(05:06):
Executives are explicitly saying they're they're raising prices that they
charge customers. They're saying it. For example, the Pepsi Pepsi
co is what it's called. CFO chief financial officers guy's
name is Hugh Johnson said on an earnings call Tuesday,
Are we going to be pricing to deal with it? Yeah,

(05:28):
we certainly are, Meaning he's going to raise prices, doesn't
really have a have a choice. Knagra, you know, the
CEO they're a guy by the name of Sean Connelly, said, yeah,
we have more pricing coming, and we've done at least
one large price increase in early in the second quarter,
and that was received fairly well, said the Fast and

(05:52):
All CFO of Holding Lewis on his earnings call. But
based on what cost is doing, we'll have to go
to market with some additional ones. In other words, they're
raising prices. Who pays for that? You do? We do?
We all pay for it. Now. Some companies are not
raising prices. Fresh Direct, their interim CEO, said to Bloomberg,

(06:14):
we're lowering prices on fresh items like berries and salmon
and ground b but right now we're also absorbing inflation
and not passing it along. Right now, key words, lowering
prices can be a smart strategy. He's he's suggesting amid
rising costs, they're Fresh Direct is able to win more business,
all right, So they're making a business calculation. They might

(06:36):
go in the other direction, but that's not going to
be able to They're not gonna that won't last forever.
That's all there is to it anyway. You know, just
pay attention to this, you know everything. What where's Joe
ben successful? You know, a million people were getting the
shot every day, the vaccine. Okay, so he took over

(06:58):
Trump's vaccine. I'll give him a half a check. How's
he done on the border? How's he done preventing COVID
from getting into the country. I'd give an f How's
he doing with open borders and f how's he doing
with Russia, China, Iran and problems worldwide? A big fat

(07:18):
f on all of them. You know, Russia gets the
pipeline waiver and Keystone XL pipeline workers get a pink
slip gee. That makes sense. Well, I wonder if Joe's compromised.
You know, China gets to threaten our military basis and
Japan's military basis and talks openly about taking over Taiwan,

(07:41):
and Joe says nothing. You know, Russia hacks us every
other day and Joe says nothing. I had a journalist
on last night this this poor woman is courageously speaking
about about the the tyranny in Iran, the number one
state sponsor of terror. It was a kidnapping plot uncovered,

(08:02):
and I give credit to rank and file FBI. They
were able to get these people before they were able
to kidnap this poor woman, ship her off to Venezuela,
which was what the plan was, and then ship her
off to a ram which she'd be dead. Thank god,
you know they were able to stop it. I mean,

(08:22):
it's where's Joe's success? What has Joe done here that
you're looking at that you can well, we'll not energy
independent anymore. We're paying a buck and a quarter more
a gallon for gasoline. Tell me where he's successful, because
I can run off all of Donald Trump's successes. We
did it many times during his presidency. And you know,

(08:46):
he built the wall, he made us energy independent. He
got rid of more regulations than you know the last
you know, twenty presidents combined. He lowered taxes as he promised,
He used the list of for putting judges on the
bench that he said he would use. You know, he

(09:07):
got tough and he got freer. And fairer trade deals.
Even got a freer and fairer trade deal with China
that nobody thought he could get. We didn't have any
problems with Putin and his geopolitical ambitions. Now he's on
the border again with Ukraine. What's going to happen there?
Here we go again, Crimea, here we come. You know,

(09:28):
is what's Joe gonna do if China takes over Taiwan?
What are you gonna do, Joe? Because President she said
he's gonna blow your military basis to little bits and
pieces and says that he'll unleash one point five billion
Chinese on any enemy that was right that directed right

(09:49):
at you, Joe. Maybe somebody could interpret this and send
it to Joe. It's there's nothing now that is going on.
As we now have three months once three record record
Biden price increases. You know, if you look, for example,
the Labor Department and producer producer prices spiked the highest

(10:12):
pace on record. According to the Labor Department in April
was up six point two percent on an annual basis,
the highest jump ever recorded at that time. Then may
beat it. It was six point six percent, the highest
jump recorded at that time. And now in June at
seven point three percent, the new highest jump ever recorded

(10:34):
in this time, and Biden is rallying Democrats. We're going
to get this done. And what happens? Who's agenda is this? Anyway?
You know? Human infrastructure, you know, you talk about infrastructure, roads, bridges, etc.
Human infrastructure, free daycare, human infrastructure, free college, human infrastructure,

(10:54):
college loan forgiveness, human infrastructure, pay more for energy, human
infrastructure down payment on all the Green New Deal madness.
So sorry, twenty six after the hour, I was looking
at the clock, Gladuate with US eight hundred and nine
for one sewn you want to be a part of
the program. House Republicans have now launched a probe into
the shady deals by the Biden criminal syndicate family, and

(11:17):
the most recent thing is amazing. Actually, I mean, imagine
a Trump kid getting money from Russia and Ukraine and
Kazakhstan and a shopping spree with a Chinese national hundred
grand or one point five billion dollars deal Bank of China,
whild Trump is in office because that's what zero experienced
hunter did. And now we know from having for example,

(11:43):
Peter Schweitzer on this program Jason Chaffitz and Devin Newness
were on Hannity last night, and I asked Devin Newness,
I said, well, you know, if if the Trump family
had gotten money from China, Russia, Kazakhstan, Ukraine, and the
Bidens did all these things, wouldn't we say investigate a
conflict of interest? Where where's your colleague, Adam, you know,

(12:05):
the schiff? Where is he the congenital liar that he is?
Now here's a question. Now the latest venture to make
money from zero experience Hunter His book barely sold ten
ten thousand copies its first week. I mean, that's a
disaster anyway. So his book was a total bomb, and

(12:26):
he got paid, apparently, according to reports, millions. Now he's
selling his art. If Hunter's art is that good to
get five hundred thousand, and everything's going to be anonymous,
I don't know. Well, who's gonna who's gonna pay for this? Linda,
You've showed me paintings of your five year old son Liam.
I think Liam is a better painter than Hunter Biden.

(12:50):
Dog is a better painter than Hunter Biden. If I
can paint as good as Hunter Biden, let me tell
you it's not art. Because I have zero artistic ability.
I don't have the patients to sit there, you know,
maybe a little quick fingerpainting, you know. Blah blah blah blah.
I can't try anything. Don't forget you got a lesson coming.
I'm sorry you break it up, bummy all right? Twenty

(13:13):
fives at the top of the hour, new report Business
Insider claiming Kamala Harris is such an erratic, dysfunctional boss
one of her staffers consulted a psychotherapist about the problem.
This was actually in Politico. They reported last month what
they described as a intense workplace at the VP's White

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House operation, and it spread like wildfire among former aids
to Harris, many of whom recognize themselves in the story,
an ex staffer telling Business Insider one former Harris staffer
forwarded the political report to their therapists with a note
that read, rarely in life are we publicly vindicated ouch.

(13:56):
That former staffer said they had been seeking therapy once
they learned President Joe Biden picked Harris as his running
mate to resolve trauma from the on the job abuse.
That's a quote endured when they worked for Harris. Insiders
Robin Bravender spoke with twelve former Harris staffers about the

(14:18):
office culture when Harris was San Francisco's a district attorney
and California's Attorney general News Senator. Several staffers described Harris
as unpredictable. One said she had a habit of hanging
up the phone on her staff. One told Insider that
the Attorney general's workplace was toxic and reactionary. Okay, well,

(14:41):
if she's called into action because Joe has more cognitive issues,
I guess that's what we can expect. We'll say this
climate activists are handling this four point one trillion. It's
not three point They already spent six hundred million, So
it's three four point one trillion dollars that we can't afford. Infrastructure.

(15:05):
It's all infrastructure, human infrastructure. You gotta be kidding me.
Peter Doocey went toe to toe with Jen Saki circle
Back during Wednesday's briefing, challenging her on the hypocrisy surrounding
Texas Democrats fleeing the state over this voter integrity measure
and the administration's refusal to denounce the evils of communism

(15:26):
that have ravaged the ravage the Cuban people for sixty
two years, Doocey actually did his job as a reporter
challenge those in power. Saki found it amusing that his
first question was quite serious, as it touched on whether
Biden had ever done with the Texas Democrats did about
voting rights and Texas lawmakers come to Washington. Any examples

(15:49):
of thirty six years of Joe Biden just topping on
a train leaving town to avoid a vote that he
knew he was going to lose, Saki replied, chuckling, welcome back.
I don't see what's so funny about it. Then Deucey
called out Sake's humorous dismissal, noting Biden's eye popping assertion
that voter integrity measures pose the greatest threat to the

(16:10):
American democracy since the Civil War. The next best question,
by the way, is why didn't Joe ever change the
laws in Delaware? Is anyone ever going to ask that question? Anyway?
But it's in trouble. I don't know how many of
you have been following this, but this is quite disturbing

(16:31):
to me. You have the Secretary of State Tony Blanken
issuing a formal standing invitation for the United Nations. I
mentioned this yesterday, to investigate systemic racism in America and
American policing. Wait a minute, the same United Nations that has,

(16:52):
you know, on human rights councils, you know, countries with
ordering dictators. Really they're going to investigate the United States
of America. You don't think that the genocide going on
in China might be a little bit more important, a
bigger priority. You know, we really want to outsource the

(17:16):
United Nations, which we spend all of this money for them.
Why don't you let China pay for the United Nations,
but put the United Nations. Let it go to China,
let them have it, Let the Russians have it, let
it ran have it. I mean, can we end up
paying the money for it every time they have some
un event? You know, it makes life in New York

(17:37):
a living hell for everybody because you can't travel anywhere.
It's unbelievable. Now we're inviting in the United Names, by
the way, one that has been virulently anti Semitic at times,
an anti American at other times. Unbelievable. United Nations, we
fund the major lists. They're gonna probe us for racism.

(18:00):
How about they go to Cuba and Venezuela and Iran
and Russia and China. Let's start there. It's just like
the apology tour of Obama. It's the same exact thing,
you know. And then also, you know this suggestion of
Mayorcus Yeah, if you come by sea, we're going to
turn you away. Why because there's a high population of

(18:24):
Cuban Americans that vote Republican. And that's why you're leaving
the Mexico border open, because you think that the illegal
immigrants there will vote Democrat. You why would you have
two sets of standards. You have open borders now down
at our border, and you just process people. You're ignoring

(18:46):
the laws of the land. You're not upholding the laws
of the land. You're processing people. You're aiding and abetting
in their transportation to states all over the country and
forcing states to then deal with, you know, people that
haven't even been checked for COVID in the middle of
a pandemic. It's unbelievable. I mean, you just see it

(19:09):
every day. What's happening. Biden's namesake rest stop in Delaware,
according to the Washington Free Beacon, is now a junkie
infested dump I'm not making this up. If you've ever
driven the I ninety five driven from down five to

(19:31):
say Washington, DC, you'd agree that rest areas are generally
pretty clean, a lot of food options. It's a great
excuse that I use to eat McDonald's, which I don't
often eat, but I love something Linda should let her
son do. But one place to avoid, however, is Joe
Biden's Welcome Center along I ninety five. Washington Free Beacon

(19:52):
is saying that apparently it's one of he Biden had
said it's one of the most meaningful things to happen
in his life, and it was once built as a
rest stop to the future. The stop is now devolved
into a dysfunctional dump. According to the Washington Free Beacon,
the restrooms equipped with an overflowing used needle deposit box

(20:17):
were abnormally crowded during a midweek July trip to the
Biden Welcome Center, as it was likely due to the
fact that only half the bathrooms were opened. A majority
of the stalls in open bathrooms were either out of
service or too filthy for public use. Near or the
exit of the men's rooms at a box for biomedical

(20:37):
waste filled to the brim with hypodermic needles, which constitutes
one of the more sanitary parts of the entire bathroom.
A good grief. A lot has been noted here. You know,
the group Black Lives Matter. Do we make a distinction
between the group and people that chanted Black Lives Mattered
after George Floyd? But the group Black Lives Matter, you know,

(21:00):
the ones that chanted what do we want dead cops?
When do we want them now? Pigs in a blanket
frame like bacon they have now, you remember, praised by
the Biden administration, supported by Democrats. They never spoke out
against these radical groups that were involved in some of
the violence from last summer. Black Lives Matter posted a

(21:23):
statement Wednesday blasting the United States and praising Cuba and
Cuba's murdering communist dictatorship Marxist dictatorship while the island was
destabilized by historic protests. The statement, posted on Instagram, later
tweeted and retweeted, blamed the US embargo It's our fault

(21:46):
for the country's instability, and credited the Cuban government for
historically granting black revolutionaries asylum. Senator Marco Rubio fired back
the extortionist ring known as Black Lives Matters organization took
a break today from shaking down corporations for millions and
buying themselves mansions to share their support for the communist

(22:09):
regime at Cuba. He was pretty pissed anyway. The group
said Cuba had been an allied to oppress peoples of
African descent. Praised the country's effort to protect black revolutionaries
like Sada Shakor, convicted of being an accomplice in the
nineteen seventy three slaying of a New Jersey State trooper

(22:33):
who left behind a wife and three year old son. Yeah,
Fidel Castro granted her asylum, escape from prison, and fled
to Cuba. Gallup shows Americans trust the police more in
the media less. Does that surprise you? Gallup? Only twenty
one percent of respondent said that a great deal or

(22:53):
quite a lot of confidence in newspapers New York Times,
Washington posted leading the way for all this confidence, It's
sixteen percent reported the same on television news. Television's worse.
Despite the left wing defund the police effort. Yeah, they
were the only institution listed in the survey to have
gained confidence among the American people from last year. Shows

(23:16):
how how to touch Democrats are more back to back
mass shootings in Chicago or show if I say that's
just a typical day. Joy, You know, now that we
have the administration signing off on mandatory vaccinations, I have
a hard time understanding mandatory vaccinations. It's not I mean,

(23:41):
and I'm pro science, I'm pro vaccine signs. I've been
warning I don't want any one of you listening to
my voice right now to get sick and to get
sick and die. Take this thing seriously. Got the lambda variant,
the delta variant, and you know you've got to take
it seriously. And if you have a cell phone, do

(24:01):
your own research. Yeah, more information at your fingertips. And
you'd ever imagine it's called you know, go to Yahoo
or Google? Or which one do you like the best? Linda?
I know you always like some other one. What for browsers?
Duc duct Go, duck duck go whatever Duck duck go is.
It's the one that's not tracking you like well the
other ones, Okay. Joy Behar says teens should be allowed

(24:25):
to get COVID nineteen vaccinations even if their ignorant parents
don't give consent. Should teens take matters into their own
hands if they feel they should get vaccinated in school,
and it's allowed in Tennessee, by the way. Uh huh, Well,
you know what, we like to think we're smarter than
our kids, but a lot of times the kids are

(24:46):
smarter than their parents. I mean, I've experienced my daughter's
having more sense than I had and various times in
my life, and I think that these kids should be
allowed to make their own decisions, frankly, and I think
that kids sometimes have should have the ability to do
what the science is telling them to do. And a
lot of kids, I mean, according to doctor Fiscus, the

(25:07):
Tennessee Department of Health has now been instructed to stop
promoting vaccines of any kind for children. I mean, let's
make measles great again, you know, bring back polio? Is
that what they want to do in these states? These
kids are at the mercy of these ignorant parents, in
my opinion, and yes, they should be allowed to do it.
Of course, the government knows better. How about you talk,

(25:30):
do your research, take it seriously. Consult you doctor or doctors.
I don't know your medical history. I don't know if
you have pre existing conditions. A compromised immune system. I
don't know if you have colle morbidities. I don't know
anything about your health, so how would I'm not in
a position to tell you. I'm just telling you to
take it seriously. Talk to you doctor, your doctors, consult

(25:53):
with medical professionals you trust, and then make the decision
that's right for you. Everybody knows it's available, pro has
in France, all over the place because of these health
pass rules. And you know now that basically Joe Biden
and Jensaki gave the knot the mandatory vaccination. Corporations should
be allowed to say you can come to work, you can't. Well,

(26:15):
it's the opposite of what they told us. If you
got the vaccine, you didn't have to worry. Why are
they Why are they not listening to the science. What
about the people that had COVID. There's a lot of
people that had it and recovered because the Cleveland Clinic
says they don't need any vaccine. This is why I

(26:35):
refuse to give into the pressure of me telling people
what to do. I'm just telling you to be careful,
be smart, take care of yourself. Listen. I know you're
not even allowed to say it, but if you have
extra weight, in which I have had, I struggle with
all the time. I love to eat, but I don't
eat everything I want. I want to stay. I want

(26:56):
to I want to live as long as I can,
like to be around my it's and I want to
You know, I don't expect to live the longest life,
but I mean I want to live as long as
I possibly can. And and we know that obesity and BMI,
you know, play have a big impact on blood pressure,

(27:17):
type two diabetes, heart, heart attacks, strokes, et cetera. You
can read about all these things. Should spend time and
you know, maybe you hate working out, Go for a
walk a half hour a day that in and of
itself has been proven to be worthwhile. Get some sun
in your face, a little bit of God, and you
know God's you know, perfect church the outdoors right, get

(27:41):
a little spirit, clear your mind a little bit, say
a prayer for the people you love. How's not Hannity
Health Advice Health tips from Hannity. You know, it's amazing.
Everybody wants me to tell people what to do. Then
when I tell if I what if I told people?
Even if you got COVID, you should get the vaccine,

(28:02):
and then then the Cleveland clinic comes out. I just said,
the research we put on doctors of all different points
of view, somebody didn't even agree with, just to get
to educate people to take this thing seriously. You can die.
Too many people died. Be careful, be smart, research hard,
talk to the best doctors. You know our two Sean

(28:24):
Hannity's show eight hundred and nine for one, Shawn, if
you want to be a part of the program. We
now have seventeen states that are doing what I have
been saying is the first step, the most important thing,
and that's to bring integrity to our election process so
every American can have confidence in election results. These are

(28:45):
simple things. These are fundamental things. These are not things
that I would think anybody would would disagree with. You know,
Joe Biden is out there now. He's literally empowered his
Department of just I'd argue they even weaponized it to
go after Georgia's new voting law. But Georgia has seventeen
days of early in person voting in Delaware, his state,

(29:08):
as none in Georgia. You don't need an excuse to
get a mail in ballot. You need one in Delaware.
There are no drop boxes in Delaware, but they're in
every precinct in the Great State of Georgia. Both states
require voter id and Joe never in the five thousand
plus years he's represented Delaware ever lifted a finger to

(29:28):
make voting more accessible to the people of Delaware. It's
that simple. What a hypocrite. Why is Merrick Garland in
the AG going after Georgia with far more accessible voting
opportunities for every Georgian and not going after Joe's restrictive
state of Delaware. That just shows you how political this is,

(29:49):
and that's weaponizing the Justice Department. That's a very dangerous thing.
And it seems like all the states that might matter,
they may be facing the same thing. We see what's
happening in the Great State of Texas. So I went
over all the reforms in great specificity in detail. Last
night we talked about it with Governor Greg Abbott of

(30:09):
Texas and why these Democrats would rather fly to Washington
on a private plane without a mask on you so
they can't have a quorum. Texas law does allow the
law enforcement in Texas to escort them, if you will,
to the chamber and close the doors so they have

(30:30):
a quorum, and once they have a quorum, this is
going to happen, and it should happen. How is it
these Democrats now are saying that George's voting laws Jim
Crow two point zero? What about Joe's state of Delaware?
That's how hypocritical this all is. The state of Georgia
to cost them estimates say about one hundred million dollars
because Joe Biden, Raphael Warnock, and Stacy Abrams were claiming

(30:54):
it's Jim Crow two point zero. I mean insinuating that
the state of George's racist. This is from a guy
that partnered with the former clansmen to stop the integration
of schools and bussing because he didn't want public schools
to be racial jungles. We're gonna get lectures from Joe
Biden on the issue of race. Now, all these states

(31:14):
are I've identified five things. Voter ID signature verification, chain
of custody control where people don't have any opportunity to
tamper with ballots, updated voter rolls, and most states have
statutorial language that allows for partisan observers to observe the
vote count. That means up close all sides, all parties,

(31:38):
and from start to finish these are that's not onerous
in any way. The one attorney general that has successfully
defended his states election laws at the US Supreme Court
is now running for Senities, the Attorney General of Arizona,
Mark Bernovich. And when the Supreme Court upheld Arizona's commons

(32:00):
sense election integrity laws six three, ruling that justices upheld
the state's ability to administer elections and pass laws to
protect the results. Today is a win if you believe
in election integrity, the Attorney general said at the time.
He joins us now, mister Attorney General, thanks for being
with us. Also, Senate candidate, congratulations. If I was Mark Kelly,

(32:21):
I'd be very nervous today. Thank you, Sean, thank you
for everything you do. And as you just articulated, once again,
there are common sense election integrity measures that every state
should be enacting. And the hypocrisy of the Democrats is
on full display when they have more restrictions and Joe
Biden's home state of Delaware, states like New York, New Jersey, etcetera, etc.

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And yet they don't see those states or the Department
of Justices and go after them, they're going after state
swing states like Arizona and Texas and Georgia. You know,
there was an ape study that came out and it
was published in the Washington Post on April twenty ninth
of twenty third teen, and the studies showed that in
both two thousand and eight and twenty twelve that African

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American voter turnout there the rate of turnout exceeded the
rate of turnout for white voters for the first time.
So this idea or this notion, or this claim that
without COVID emergency voting rules, unsolicited mail in ballots, ballot

(33:27):
drop boxes, lack signature verification and related regulations with making
it harder for minorities to vote, that turned out not
to be true. You know, the idiotic statement by Kamala
Harris that if you live in a rural community, well
you don't have a Kinkos or an office depot. How
are you going to get you know, how we're going

(33:47):
to verify your driver's license. How about you take a
picture of it on your cell phone. I mean, this
is ridiculous. So anyway, I just think they're grasping for
straws Now. The only reason I can come up with
why they might do this, mister Attorney General, as they
have nefarious reasons. Absolutely, Sean, I think the left's hypocrisy

(34:09):
and their motivations are on full display, because if they
really cared, if Democratic leadership really had any shame or
cared about voters, then why the heck aren't they urging
democratic states where they control the legislature to vote the
way their lawyers sue. And what I mean by that is,
if you look at all these lawsuits, whether it was
in Pennsylvania, George Arizona where I stood up for election integrity,

(34:32):
it's all about systematically targeting swing states or Republican states
that actually have more generous voting laws than their liberal
states do. In fact, we last week were at the
Ninth Circuit arguing a case or the DNC suit us
because our ballot curing process up until the Times closed poll,
you have at that time to cure your mail in ballot.

(34:53):
But other states like New York don't even allow that.
And yet they don't sue New York, but they're suing Arizona.
And so the importance of that Bernovitch v. In Sea cases,
it is consistent with the Constitution and it allows states
to enact common sense election integrity measures. And the false
dichotomy sean of the left is they're trying to say
somehow we have to have voter participation or we have

(35:15):
to have election integrity. And you know, and you've just
articulated the things we can do. We can't have both.
We've seen voter turnout increase, but we also know that
people have to have confidence in the results. So why
can't we have sammature verification requirements. Why can't we ensure
that there's limitations on candidates and political parties handling ballots.

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We need to update our voter rules so we aren't
sending out ballots to people that maybe either don't want
them or not you know, change parties, or maybe even deceased. Now,
so there are a lot of things we should be doing,
and instead the left is demograging this issue. And you
know your point about Vice President Harris, that to me
is the classic limousine liberal patronizing, you know, full DC

(35:58):
swamp on display. These folks that live in comfortable gated communities, Pelosi,
Her and everything else. They don't care about rural America
or Arizona. You know, they've got their walls to protect him.
And honestly, I don't blame any Americans for moving out
of the big cities because the Democratic mayors, like criminals,
run rampant and they're degrading the rule law. No wonder

(36:18):
why people are moving to the suburbs. Let me ask
you about what's going on in your state of Arizona
with this election audit. And I guess the President of
the Senate is suggesting that the numbers that they're finding
don't match up in Maricopa County. Now, I think the
Georgia Secretary of State, the guy that came up with

(36:38):
this ridiculous agreement after being sued, a consent agreement with
the Democratic Party of Georgia and the Democratic National Congressional
Campaign Committee and Senatorial campaign committees. Anyway, he comes up
where there were lax standards for mail in ballots and
very rigorous standards for in person voting, and he signed

(37:02):
on to that. I think there should be one standard myself. Now, Rathsenberger,
they're doing an audit in Fulton County and he is
apparently they are discovering in Fulton County where ballots were
double counted. That's part of it, and even he himself
is saying, and he's been resistant from day one, but

(37:24):
you know, he's saying that the state board, you know,
has the authority to make things happen, and that is
a complete audit that they had double counted ballots that
were discovered by an election integrity group there. If the
numbers don't match up in this audit in Arizona, I mean,
what happens in a case like that, I don't know.

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I don't see any law or any constitutional answer to
these questions if in fact, these these audits turn turn
flip of state in terms of who won the state.
One is I'm a big believer in the constitution and
rule of law, and so when the Senate decided to
do their audit, we filed the brief supporting the right

(38:07):
to do so. And you know, there's been a lot
of talk and a lot of noise and a lot
of the media about how they're doing and how they're
not doing it. And I have said, we need to
be patient, We need to respect the separation of powers.
Let the Senate do their audit, whether it's here or
in Georgia or anywhere else. Let them come up with
their results, and then we can make an analysis of
what can or should or shouldn't happen. So the important

(38:28):
thing is let the process play out. We have supported
the Senate's right to do an audit, and I think
everyone wants to have confidence in the results. Second thing
I think this is important emphasize is the left. We
know the left prior to the twenty twenty elections was
causing all sorts of chaosphy the courts in Pennsylvania where
there was different standards on how you would collect and
when you would count. You know, postmarks and ballots that

(38:51):
came in in Georgia, what you just said about signature
of verification in Arizona alone, six different occasions in twenty
twenty before the election, I had to go and defender laws.
We had to file a lawsuit to stop the county
recorder from sending out mail in ballots to everyone during
the presidential primary. We had to successfully defend this law
and ballot curing, which now is up on the Ninth Circuit. Obviously,

(39:12):
Bernovich v. DNC, when the Democratic National Committee tried to
change the rules on how mail in ballots would be
accepted and what would happen without a precinct ballots so
there are a lot of things that happen where we
need to be proactive. If you believe in the rule
of law, if you believe in voter integrity, you can't
let the Dems. You can't let the Liberals use the
courts to try to overturn the process. And honestly, shame

(39:34):
on anybody. And I'm not trying to throw shade on anyone,
but my goodness, if the Left files a lawsuit and
you sign off, or you reach some sort of consent
agree with him, I would just assume you're being snookered
by them, because the Left is all about raw power.
You know this. And so if there's coming out, if
the audits show that the numbers don't match and that
the counting was done fraudulently in whatever way, and I

(39:58):
don't all I'm hearing is is that they're discovering problems
in Georgia and in Arizona. Is there any remedy for
such a thing, if in fact that would be enough
in these very close states to change their results. The
short answer is, let's wait and see. I learned a
long time ago as a prosecutor to wait till you

(40:20):
get all the facts and the evidence in front of
you before making a determination what should or shouldn't happen.
But the important thing for now is we want to
make sure everyone has confidence in the results in the process,
and if we can act, enact and defend common sense
election integrity measures, that's exactly what we should be doing.
But I think everyone, and I urge folks here, let's

(40:43):
be patient until the audit is complete and we get
all the facts and the evidence, and then instead of
speculating or you know, we can all make then a
determination as to what did or didn't happen, and then
we can find out, well what we should or shouldn't do.
All right, Well, we really appreciate it. We're watching this
case very closely. How's the Senate race going? Um? I
think it's going excellent, Sean. You know we've since last

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time I was on, we've kind of made the website
a little easier to find because of your advice, So
MB forasy dot com. You can go to that and
find out all more about it. If anyone wants to
know what is your website again, because you know it's
still not the best one, but go ahead, but you
can go Mark B for az M E. R. K

(41:26):
B forasy dot com or MB forasy dot com. All right,
we're treating great sea. It's like I'm taking on the
desk star. So I'm doing everything I can. We really
appreciate you being one of us for following your race
very closely. A lot of important Senate race is going
on this year. Eight hundred and nine for one, Shawn
is our number if you want to be a part
of the program. All right, we got time for a

(41:47):
quick call here as we say hi to Michael Is
in Iowa. Michael, how are you glad you called? Sir?
I'm doing very good yourself. I'm good. What's going on? Well?
I wanted to talk about the Texas Democrats who decide
to leave instead of doing their job. What I'd like
to know is, are one is there any way their

(42:10):
pay can be suspended while they're not doing their job?
Because Governor Rabbitt said he can keep calling special session
after special session and they better be ready to be
gone a year or they will be arrested when they
come back to Texas and made to do their job.
But why are we Why are taxpayers paying them? And
also I want to say that they should have lose

(42:33):
all access to any public funds, because taxpayers shouldn't be
paying for this trip. They should be paying for this
out of their own pockets. And I'd like to see
the fact they need to be fined for every day
they're not they're doing their job that I agree they
shouldn't be paid. You know, I found that interesting. I
wanted to get the I wanted to hear directly from

(42:54):
the governor himself, which is why we put them on
TV last night. And when they do fly back, they
they the law requires that they get escorted to the
House and the house doors get locked, and a quorum
will be called and the vote will take place, because
that is their sworn duty. If you don't like that law,
I guess you'll have to change that too. But if

(43:17):
they want to stay out of Texas for the rest
of the year, they can, because Governor Rabbitt was pretty
firm last night that if they don't come back by
thirty days, you'll call another special session, and they'll come
back after thirty days again, then they'll call another special session.
By the time they stay in Washington all that time,
they'll be paying Washington DC taxes. Good for them, I
hope they're prepared to pay it anyway, eight hundred nine

(43:39):
for one, Shawn are told free number. We'll get to
your calls straight ahead. When we come back. We'll also
talk to a best selling author. Twenty three minutes in
hell all right, twenty five to the top of the hour,
eight hundred and nine four one, Sean, if you want
to be a part of the program. Jason was bringing
up in thrope your microphone. Jason. Now, I know he

(44:00):
played for the Seahawks, Richard Sherman, and I guess he's
being accused of some type of domestic abuse. I don't
know anything. O. What are the details in the case. Uh,
it's a case of domestic battery with his wife, Okay,
And so he was arrested. There's a nine one one
call of I guess from Sherman's wife. Her name is

(44:22):
Ashley Moss. And you said that it's over the top.
What were you saying about it? It's it's this whole
thing is really less about what Richard Sherman did and
how the nine one one operator handled herself while he's
talking to while he was talking to Ashley Moss. Yeah,
but by the way, Jason is like our sports guru

(44:43):
on the program, he's he probably the most knowledgeable of
everybody on the staff when it comes to anything sports related.
But that stood out to you. I have not heard it,
So all right, why don't I hear it with the audience?
Play it? I need I need all the Firs to
my house. Now. My husband is drunken bruder Richard, please stop, Richard,

(45:04):
please stop, please stop? Got a Sedana SUV's it's just
a black Sadan Mercedes suv. Okay, he's not gonna be
able to get off the date. I cut it off.
What do you need to cut it off? I cut
the gate we live behind. It's it's Richard Sherman, like, mam.
This is like a emergency. I need. I'll pay you, Mammy.
I am handling this. You need to stop telling me that.

(45:28):
I'll tell you what. I'm not gonna slow health to you.
I'm gonna slow health down. Okay, Well, I need to know,
as my name is Ashle Sherman, do you know what
his data burths? Three thirty eight eight? Okay, slow down
so I can understand you. What's the data burns? Mark
Curtius nineteen eighty eight. Um, wow, I don't look obviously,

(45:53):
she's very upset, I mean, and but I think could
have used a little more compassion. Yeah, I mean, not
a lecture, yeah, I mean as as somewhat argumentative in
the middle of those calls sound like a disaster is
unfolding there. And I thought that when you called nine
one one, they immediately trace your call, don't they. I
thought that was stand Linda. I thought they would trace

(46:15):
a call, wouldn't they. Yeah, standard protocol is that they
are while you're on the phone. They are geo targeting,
they are locating you, they are and despatching police. Right,
that's correct. But here's the problem that I don't understand.
It's like, you clearly have someone who's very upset. The
first thing you say, ma'am, I'm here to help you. Please.
I want to do everything I can to help you.
Take a deep breath, Let's do this together. You know,

(46:38):
That's how you talk to somebody in dress thinking that
their husband is going to go out and kill themselves.
She is petrified that he's going to harm himself or
someone else, and she's trying to do the right thing,
and this woman is like getting testy with her. I'm like,
if you're going to get testy with someone because they're upset.
Maybe you shouldn't be answering nine one one calls just

(46:59):
a thought. I'm just putting it out there, and I'm
not trying to understand what anybody's job is. But that's
how people are going to call you up saying you
must have I mean, honestly, because you're dealing in many
of these cases like it almost sounds life life. It
sounds like life and death to me, right, I mean
that she is. She is absolutely terrified and by the

(47:21):
by all accounts, justifiably and um and I don't know
what the other details of what happened here is, but
it sounds like this guy needs some serious help, big time,
and at that moment they needed to get cops there
sooner than later. Yes, And I think when you're saying
to somebody, I am in fear that he will hurt himself,

(47:44):
I am in fear that he will hurt someone. Well,
when you say that he was trying to fight, that's
different than fighting. I'm like, what are you passing with her?
All right? Ma'am? I need your name? Your address can
mean that you addressed, so I can get people there
right away. I know. I stay on the phone I
would say, stay on the phone, stay with me, stay

(48:05):
with me. I want to be right. These are all
the things that you say, like, I just I'm like
what it's kind of like it's kind of like when
you say to people like you see somebody getting mugged,
or you see somebody getting hurt. And then in the
videos that we watch every day now you see passers
by just they just keep on walking. Not my problem.
I don't understand, Like, where is the humanity? I just

(48:27):
don't get it. I think everybody's afraid. I really do,
you know. I I've told this story before. I don't
I haven't told it that often. Um, but I really
realize the power of radio. I was in Atlanta. I
was a local host at the time, and I had
this guy was a regular caller, UM, and he called

(48:48):
in and you know, he said, Hannah, I just wanted
to say, uh, goodbye, I'm checking out, and uh, I
want to you know, I enjoyed being on your show
all the time. Times I called in and I said, well,
what's up. What are you doing? You're moving You're going
here there? And then he said no, And I'm like, okay,
we long story short. I get him to admit, you know,

(49:11):
he had he'd taken pills, he'd like drank a court
of vodka. Um, and he was basically telling me that
this was his last call. He was going to kill it.
He's killing himself, and my program director, you know, slugo
Eric sidell Of, immediately calls the control room says, do
not take a break, keep this guy on the line

(49:32):
and get his location, like which I was trying to do. Finally,
I was you know, I started talking about your family.
I said, listen, life's worth living. I want you to
call this program again. I want you to be my friend.
I want you to stay around. You have kids, you
have family of people that love you. I said, you
can get over this hump. We all hit rough days
in life, you know, just doing my best. I'm not.

(49:53):
This is not my wheelhouse. And he eventually gave his location.
And this is the beautiful part is within less than
a minute, cars one after another, dozens of them descended
on the area, including an ambulance that was listening. The

(50:14):
story turned out to be true. He had he had
taken all these pills, he would have died that day.
And you know, I sometimes it's just when I think
about it now. Maybe about a year or so later,
he called back in and he checked in with us,
and he's doing fine. And he said thank you, and
I'm like, no, thank you. And if there's anything we
could ever do to help you, if something's going on,

(50:36):
just call us, Call to your friends, reach out to somebody,
a pastor or a friend, anybody, you know, go get help.
Don't be afraid. You know, there's actually strength and asking
for help sometimes. You know, people think it's weakness, and
you know what, it's not weakness, it's actually strength. You know.
There's one of my favorite self help books is The
Road Less Travel by Scott Pecky. He's a doctor, and

(50:59):
it starts out the first line in the book is
life is difficult. Everybody thinks that, oh well, you know,
my life's the hardest. Everybody has trials and tribulations and
stress and pressure of life. We all do. And that's
why we have pastors and that's why we have friends
and family. You know, when things get tough is when

(51:19):
it really matters in life. You know, I say this
to my kids all the time. I said, you know,
when things get tough, I'm the one that's going to
be there. And I know, you know, my lectures you
could actually keep probably by rote give my lectures about
I'm not your friend. Let me just tell you right now,
I am not your friend. I'm your father one. I
hope we can be best friends, but not now. And

(51:42):
it's my job to keep you safe. It's my job
to make sure you don't get hurt in any way, ever,
under any circumstances. Let's get to our busy phones here.
Let's say hi to Leslie. Is in the great state
of Alabama? What's happening in Leslie? I spent two wonderful
years and Huntsville, all Obama? What's going on? Hey, that's

(52:03):
where I'm right now. I've been here for almost fourteen now, wow,
transplant like probably let me guess Redstone, Arsenal. I'm just guessing.
I'm eight miles north. Yes, my husband works there. M Yeah,
not hard to figure out. Yeah, I know, I know.
I actually grew up out west that you know. There's

(52:24):
a beauty to the two words dry heat when they're
used together. Come out here. Yeah, just oppressive. And I
don't know when you ever know. I learned to love
it down there, and it was such a culture shock
for me, you know, I grew up in a really
congested neighborhood and you know, open field. I never saw

(52:44):
cotton field before in my life. For example, I never
saw you know, you know, I remember going out there
one day and you realize, you know, how thank God
for the cotton gin as they say, but more importantly, wow,
how hard a job it is for farmers and they
do a lot of farming down there, And how amazing
the people were. You know. It's really God, faith, family

(53:07):
and country, and it's like a church on every other block. Yeah,
it really is. And no matter the denomination that you
are part of, you can have those conversations and you
can openly talk about your belief your convictions and not
hear anybody looking at you like, you know, you're saying
something improper. No. The guy that hired me was a

(53:29):
guy by the name of Dave Stone. He ran the station.
The owner of the station, Dave, we lost. He died
way too young, as a dear friend of mine. And
the owner was a guy by the name of Bill Donovan.
I'm still friends with every boss I've ever had, and
I appreciate I wouldn't be here today, but they gave
me these opportunities I complain how much money I made

(53:51):
and was paid for. You know, I gave Sluggo in
Atlanta hard time, and I could Bill Donovan about it too.
But if it wasn't for those opportunities to you know,
develop this craft, I wouldn't be here. But I'm talking
too much, you go, oh, no, no, I just wondered
what station were you at? W VNN Huntsville, Athens, Decatur. Okay, yep,
I know I know that one um so being here

(54:13):
in the South, here, the religion is clearly football, and
you said that yesterday. And I know that those that
aren't from the South probably think that we're lunatics, and
we are. And you know, we'll pass each other in
the grocery stores and if somebody's wearing an Auburn hat,
you know, you cut your eyes at him, and if
you see somebody wearing an Alabama hat, you yell, rot, oh,

(54:35):
it's it's it's hardcore, man, it is. You don't know.
Until you're there, you don't know. And I learned very quickly.
Yeah yeah. And we So we have what's called a
family divided. We have some of my husband's family that
attended Auburn and then he and I and some of
the other half of the family is Crimson Tie fans.

(54:56):
But you know, we get together. We watched the Iron
Bolt together. We have a black We are on different
spectrums of the political view but our sports. Don't bring
your political whatever into the sports because those are two
different platforms. And I'm watching a sport because I enjoyed

(55:17):
the contest of it. I enjoy them the ferrocy and
it's fun tracking yeah, I mean right, if you're tailgating,
it's fun. I mean I'm not the biggest tailgate guy.
I mean, um, oh my god. But you're with friends. Listen,
I've been. That's another cool thing. You're right when your tailgate,

(55:37):
you know, there's there's so many people and they're sharing food,
they're sharing beer, they're sharing you know. You you're just
pumped up in jazz for the game. It's just a
big party. It's fun. You're not talking politics. You know,
everyone's talking Alabama sports. Uh. Some of the highest rated
stations in Alabama. There's sports stations. I remember meeting Eli

(56:00):
gold Ones. I mean, I mean he's like a god
down there because he used to do Alabama football play
by play in NASCAR. I mean, it's So he was
a cool guy in an awesome set of pipes. He
was a great broadcaster, and you know, there's some really
cool people down there. I'll tell you this, though, this
competition between Alabama and Auburn, it's kind of over because

(56:22):
Nick Saban is just a cut above. I mean, he's
he's the modern day Bear Bryant. Oh absolutely he is.
He is our He absolutely is. Bear Bryant was amazing.
He actually was the coach that I started watching Alabama
football when I lived out West. But um, yeah, Saban
is just you know, he's he's I don't know what
he said. This guy's got magic. He's the best recruiter.

(56:46):
He brings the best out of his players. He's a
winner and competitive as hell, and I just admire him.
Um and you know, and then this rivalry is with
Clemson and other places. But you know, I'm just telling
on you. Football and Alabama it is a religion and
it's fun. I went to Alabama games, and I didn't

(57:10):
have that college experience because I had to work. I mean,
I was paying my own way through college. I did
not have the experience that every one of my friends
have had. And that's the one thing that I am
grateful for that I have provided for my children, my kids,
because it's like I felt like everybody that tells their
story about their school and their time away and their

(57:33):
friends they made for life. I mean, you know, if
I showed up a class, it was a miracle. And
I was, you know, tending bar till four thirty in
the morning and just to pay my way through school.
And then I still didn't have money to stay in school.
And I was a good student. I always got good grades,
but it was just a different situation. My parents wanted
to help, but I knew they didn't have the money,

(57:55):
so I just did it on my own. But it
may I think it made me a better person, stronger, independent, resilience,
and um, I'm grateful that I've had the opportunity to
do all these things. Anyway, Love to call Leslie, God
bless you, Good luck to Nick Saban and Obama roll Tide.
Appreciate you joining us. Eight hundred and nine four one.
Shaun is our number. Quick break right back, all right,

(58:17):
duce round up and information overload. Our glad you with us.
Sean Hannity's Show, eight hundred and nine four one. Shaun
is a number you want to be a part of
the program. UM. I don't know about all of you,
but I am fascinated, completely riveted by stories of near
death experience or or or those that have had near

(58:39):
death experiences. UM. I've read every book that is possibly
written out there about it. And and it's amazing the
consistency that you you have when you when people tell
those stories. For example, Don Piper wrote the book ninety
Minutes in Heaven and and it's a phenomenal book. And

(59:02):
you know, people talk about the light, the sense of
peace that they've never felt in their life. They talk
about their life, their entire life in seconds, flashing before
their eyes, every possible memory in their life. They talk
about being drawn to the light. They talk about meeting
loved ones. They talk about choirs of angels where not

(59:27):
only are the angels singing, you know, in unison, but
there are levels of singing where you can not only hear,
you know, one group of angels, but another group of angels,
and then another group of angels. And even describing pearly gates,
that there are real pearly gates in what we imagine

(59:49):
to be heaven. And at some point usually they're told
it's not your time, and they're they're sent back, and
most people say they don't want to go back. Am
I saying that I want to die? No, I want
to live a long life if I can. And it's
just phenomenal. There are many, many other cases that have
been discussed and talked about over the years. I've read
other books too. For example, you can read the Bible.

(01:00:10):
The Bible talks about heaven and hell. Jesus on the
cross says to one of the other two people that
are there. One says, I deserve this, you don't. And
Jesus says to him, this day you will be with
me in Paradise. And he talks about as heaven where
I go, you can't come, and I'm going to prepare
a place for you. And my father's house. There are

(01:00:32):
many mansions the whole letting out your heart be troubled
verse in the Bible that I often quote. Anyway, I've
read Dante's Inferno and the Circles of Hell and it
is a chilling account of what life completely separated from
God would be like. And I came across this book

(01:00:52):
Bill Weize's his name. He had an out of body
experience and He talks about this in his book He
was a Christian for twenty eight years. He calls it
a vision. It was not a near death experience. And anyway,
he felt an urgency to study this and write about
it after he went through this, and he joins us, now,

(01:01:14):
how are you? By the way, is the best selling book.
It's called twenty three Minutes in Hell. I got my copy.
Can get it on Amazon, dot com, bookstores everywhere. Bill,
Welcome to the program, Sean, thank you for having me.
It's an honor to be with you. Thank you. Right, So,
this was not a near death experience, but it sounds
like a near death experience, and it sounds like you

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were taken to the dark side, straight into hell. And
you give a very vivid description of what you saw it.
Tell us, right, this was, like you said, an out
of body experience that's classified as a vision in the
Bible and set Corinthians twelve two. Paul, when he was
taughting to heaven and a vision, he just said, whether
in the body or out of the body, he didn't know. Well,
the Lord showed me that I left my body. And

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you know, I've never asked for a vision before. I've
never studied to talk of hell before this, and I
had never gone to dark movies. I've never drank, I've
never taking drugs. It was not a result of any
of that, just a God's sovereign will to show me
this place. I was a real estate broker for thirty
five years with my own company, mining my own business, Christian,
going to the church and so forth, loved the Lord.

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But this happened totally unexpectedly, and I was walking through
the living room to get a glass of water. Suddenly
I was pulled out on my body, and I found
myself tumbling through the air down this long tunnel, and
I landed actually on a stone floor in a dungeon
in Hell. I had no idea how I got there.
While I was there, I was fully awakened, cognizant. How

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did you know it was hell? You just knew it
was hell? And the heat was far beyond the ability
to sustain life. That was the first reason I knew.
The second reason I saw these demonic creatures that were
the most hideous looking, beast like, not like an animal,
and not human reptilish in appearance. They were blast seeming
and cursing God. They had the most ferocious demeanor about them.

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I knew I was completely alone and lost in this place.
I already knew it was hell. I was taken out
of this prison cell placed over nextlas large raging pit
of fire, and this pit was about a mile across.
I just understood that. Andre. I saw the hundreds, maybe thousands,
I'm not sure how many in this pit, screaming and burning,

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and Sean, it's the most horrible thing to see a
person on fire. You could not distinguish a man from
a woman. The screams were loud and deafening. You wanted
to get away from that, but you couldn't. You're kept
isolated and alone. You're by yourself for all eternity. And
I wanted to talk to somebody, but you've denied that.
I understood I was down deep in earth. I just

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had that understanding, and I knew there were different levels
of torment and degrees of punishment. But there's many scriptures
for this. Everything I saw was already in the Bible.
I wanted to talk to my wife. I knew I
never get that opportunity. The stench is the most foul,
future disgusting odors, like the worst open sewer burning. Did
you think this was your final destiny? I did because

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the Lord blocked it from my mind that I was
a Christian. He hid that fact from me. There's many
scriptures I gave you twenty four sixteen and many others
that describe that. But the point was he wanted me
to experience what they feel. See if I was there
as a Christian, which I was, but I didn't realize.
I would have known, Praise God, He's get me out
of here. But he wanted me to feel what they feel, hopelessness.

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Seeing life here, we don't really know what it's like
to be hopeless. Even if a situation is so painful,
we can always die to get out of the pain.
But in Hell, they understand they'll never escape this place.
I mean, there's no past, there's no future. There's only
the President, and the President is always never ending, right,
It's never ending. But I don't know if it's any different.

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At the time, it seemed like I was there twenty
three weeks instead of twenty three minutes. At the times
to the past so slowly because you're in such pain.
Every part of your body is an agony. You need
to sleep, and how you never get to go to sleep.
You have it, no strength in your body, completely void
of strength. Demons have great strength. You can't defend yourself

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against them. You are burning in fire. You have your
full memory. You think about your family up on the
earth that you'll never see again, never get to think
of bye. Extremely tormenting thoughts. There are maggots, snakes, and
demons of all different sizes and shapes, twisted to forms
and grotesque. Some are only two and three feet talts.

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I'm in twelve and thirteen feet tall the scripture for
all this, but you know that this is what I saw.
And again, the worst part though, was the hopelessness understanding
you'll never get out. How did you find how did
you figure out it was only twenty three minutes? Well,
I got up at three o'clock in the morning to
get a glass of water, and then when I came
back into my body. When I returned, I started dreaming,

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and my screams woke up my wife. And the first
thing she did is look at our digital clock, which
read three twenty three. So that's where the twenty three
comes from. And you say, look, I'm sure there are
people saying, oh, this is total be us and I'm sure.
I'm sure you've dealt with this as you've told this story,
and I'm sure you probably don't care. It's sort of
like there are people that hate me and I really
don't care. But well, you know, right, But I do

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believe in heaven and Hell. Can I confirm that your story? No,
it's impossible for me to confirm it. Do I believe
in heaven and Hell? I do? And I do. I
believe that there is a message being sent to us
for people that have near death experiences and described the
light and the tunnel and the music and the peace
and meeting loved ones that have already passed it said,

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I believe that too. And if you believe in heaven,
why wouldn't you believe in hell. I think there's a
lot of evil on this earth. In the last century alone,
one hundred million people were killed in the name of
some governmental whatever fanatics is a mau China. You can
look at stalin Russia and Nazi Germany, fascism, Imperial Japan, Tojo,

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the killing fields of Cambodia. That anybody that murders an
innocent person or harms a child in any way, that
isn't that evil? In our time, very evil, very evil.
And you know, I understand why people might not believe me,
but I'm not here to convince them to believe me.
I am just a signpost to point him to the
scriptures and by those be persuaded. You know, Jesus talked

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about a hell in forty six different verses because that's
what he saved us from. So it's not a message
of condemnation. It's a message of love, because it's a
message of warning how it really exists, just like the
Bible said. Again, I'm just a signpost to point him
to those scriptures. Quick, do you feel that this is
now you're calling in life? That you've been called to
tell the story and to warn people this is real

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and it's you don't want to end up here? Yes?
I do, absolutely, And the Lord told me to go
and tell people because a lot of churches aren't teaching
the truth about hell today, they're teaching it. Go backwards
a second, what do you mean the Lord told you
in prayer? You felt when I was returning from this
the Lord showed up. I didn't see his face. I

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just saw the outline of a man in a bright light.
And when Jesus shows up, Almighty God, you have no
doubt in your mind who it is. I just fell
at his seat and I wept, and I went out, actually,
and he touched me, and you know, I said, Jesus,
why did you send me this horrible place? Well? He
answered eight different thoughts I had, but I didn't see

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his face. What is the thought? No? Who it is?
Well one was why did you send me this horrible place?
And he said because many people did not believe Hell
is real? He said, even some of my own people
do not believe how exists. That statement surprised me because
I thought all Christians believe in Hell, but we found
out many believe in annihilationism or universalism. Them are soulfully
many false teachings. And he just wanted me to the

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way I'm one of the Christians that you know, or
aspiring Christian that deserves health. I was an incorrigible persons
as a kid to my parents. But go ahead, Well,
you know it's not based on being good anyway. It's
based on a relationship with Jesus Christ. So I thank
God none of us would make it because none of
us are good. You see it, I see I think

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there's a misconception though about Christianity and that you know.
To me, if you say you want to be a
Christian and you're becoming a Christian, it means that you're
admitting that you need help, that you want to be
and or aspiring to be a better person, and following
the principles laid out in the Ten Commandments and the

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principles laid out in the New Testaments, and following God.
The father, Jesus is only begotten son, and we're told
that if you believe in him, you'll never die. Right.
But good is not the cause of salvation. It's a result.
The good follows the salvation. Once none of us are
good according to God's standard, but once we get born again, Yes,

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our heart is we want to live righteous, we want
to live holy, We want to live right before God.
But our good works will not save us because God's
standard is much higher than ours. So we have to
trust in what Jesus did on the cross, shed his
blood and forgave us of our sins if we repent.
So that's the difference. Do you when you speak to people,

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I don't you go around the world, Actually don't you
at this point? And yes, I do. What are the
most frequently asked questions of people? Well, you know, how
can a loving god send a good person to hell?
That's probably number one. But I explain God is loving
and he's not sending anybody to hell. Jesus said Matthew
twe L thirty seven. Your own words will condemn you, see,

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because people say, you know, I don't believe Jesus is
the only way. And then he said in Revelation twenty
one eight, all unbelievers shall have their partner lake of fire.
So there's a warning. He just told you. If you
don't believe him that Jesus is the son of God,
he died for your sins, then our own words will
condemn you. So God's not sending anybody. He's trying to
keep people out of hell. You know. It's it's just
fascinating to me. I do believe that this life, and

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this is my own analogy, is sort of like our bodies,
a bridge between two worlds and good and evil. I mean,
the story of the human experiences is when I look at,
for example, the principle that we rights are endowed by
a creator, not a thing. As Joe Biden says, sorry,
little politics. But you know that we're endowed by our

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creator with inalienable rights, that rights come from God and
not from man and not from government. And that I
do believe that God created every man, woman, and child
and the experience for us on this earth. Our choices
are good and our choices are evil, and that therein
lies the difference and finding the purpose for what? You know, what?

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What did what talent did God give you? And I
think that's you can only find that in a free society.
That's where the intersection of politics and religion is for me.
And you need certain things to make that happen, like
law and order to pursue happiness. What do you say
to people? What is the most important last message you

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would give people that maybe you know, maybe they're agnostic.
I mean there are people that are atheists. They say
they don't believe in God. To me, if you're an atheist,
you have to believe something comes from nothing. But if
you're agnostic, you know, well, I'm open to the idea
that there's a God. What do you say, Well, you
just investigate the Scriptus for yourself. I would say, then

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you have to either say Jesus was a liar, a
lunatic or he is telling the truth. And he said
in John fourteen six, he said, I am the way
the truth in the life. No man comes under the
Father but by me. So you either believe him or
you don't. And so there's only one way to heaven.
And why would you risk your eternal soul with your
own opinion when the word of God has proven and
there's no other religious leader that died for your sins

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and rose from the dead. All the other religious leaders
are dead, but Jesus rose from the dead and his
grave has been you know, his body's never been found.
So that's the important thing, is just to receive Jesus
as your Lord and savior and ask forgiveness for your sins.
It's a fascinating story that you're telling. I will say that,
and I urge people. The book is called twenty three

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Minutes in Hell. It's on Amazon dot com. It's called
twenty three Minutes in Hell. And we really appreciate you
being with us. There's a great tune put out by
Brooks and Dunn. I believe, and as I just find
for myself as I get older, you know, more and
more I believe the words written and read as he says,
when you have a Bible, the words of Jesus are

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written and read. Something to think about. All right, twenty
five to the top of the hour, eight hundred and nine,
put one Sean. You want to be a part of
the program, all right, So Linda is I don't want
to give away too much information. Linda will not give
me the name of her pastor. She's joined a church
that she really loves. It's a Christian, non denominational church.

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I've been wanting to talk to Linda's pastor about a
number of issues, and she refuses to even give me.
I said, I just want to reach out to him
on a spiritual level, and even that doesn't work. Um,
why are you so reluctant for me to talk to
your pastor? So many answers for this question, there's not

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really a good one. What if I want spiritual counseling
from your pastor that you brag about like so much,
that you have over for dinner, blah blah blah. First
of all, you went to seminary, so you're not going
to anybody for spiritual guidance. You know the Bible backwards
and forwards. This is my first time reading it. So
you and I are in two different planes when it
comes to that. Okay, but this is really transformative in

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your life. Like, for example, I asked questions, does your
pastor know how much you cuss? Because you cuss up
a storm when you're not on the air, And we
even had so, okay, do you want to hear you
want to hear a funny story, I'll tell you a
funny story. Yeah, there's a funny story. So when I
first found this church. When I first found this church,

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I go into a bunch of other churches when I
moved to this new area and nothing felt right. It
just felt awful, you know. So I walk into this
church and the first time I went there, I actually
have our friend Rose Tenant with us. She was staying
with me for the weekend. So we walk in and
it just had a vibe really cool. And uh, I
come in and this guy looks at me and he goes, hey,
how are you doing? I say good, how are you?

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He said good, good, it's okay, and he says, uh,
it's your first time here. I said yeah. Yeah. He says, well,
I'm the pastor and I'm like, oh, oh jeez, I'm sorry.
Father it's nice to meet you. He goes, Ah, a Catholic. Sorry,
you know, because I never had a pastor. I've only
ever had a father, you know, because I'm hilarious. I'm Catholic,
I'm Irish Catholic. Tend to be dying. She's hysterical. She's

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laughing the whole time because you know, she's very religious
and you know, really has been in her faith a
long time and very in touch with her connection to God.
So I said, I said, listen, father, I just want
to go past her father. Sorry, and he's just laughing.
He's like, who are you? I said, I'm this is
my son, liam. Um. I just want to say upfront
that I'm sorry if I offend anybody. I'm divorced. Um.
You know, I'm a single mom. And he looks at

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me and he goes and he just starts going to
want to hear your whole life story. Go ahead. Wait wait,
first of all, that was like three seconds. It's not
my whole life story. And he goes, he goes, you're good. Here,
we welcome all. You're in a safe space. Everything's fine.
I'm like, okay, thanks, I appreciate it. So I go
I sit down okay, fine. Fast forward to the next Sunday.
I'm there and I'm sitting next to this woman and

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he was like on fire with his sermon, just amazing.
Katie's been to my church, She's met the pastor. She's like,
he really is good. So he goes I'm sitting there
and and he's like, man, he's really good. So we
get to nto the service and this woman sitting next
to me and I said, man, I thought that the
service today was really good. What do you think She goes,
I thought it was a little aggressive, And I was
like really, I was like, oh, I don't know. I

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thought he was really good. I like him. I think
he's good. She goes, oh, yeah, that's good because he's
my husband. I'm like, oh jeez, I'm like sorry. You know.
She starts laughing at and she's like, hey, it's nice
to me, or this is herself? Is that good thing?
I said, I liked She said she just laughed. But
they've been like that from go. You know. It's super welcoming.
And I was there a couple of weeks ago. We
were putting meal packages together for the children of Guatemala,

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and they send these dry food packets. And the thing
I like about this church is that we serve underserved
communities both in America and internationally, because you know, I
think a lot of people forget how many kids we
that need food here in America. And so we're standing
there and shock to learn in my town how many
people during COVID we're going too pantry. The two friends

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of mine that are very active in it, yea, and
they're all the time, and yea. You know, they invite
me to go, I just don't have time, but I
dontate money instead, and I'm like, well, here, and I
was able to actually get them a new place to
where they can store a lot more stuff, which was
pretty cool. So great, Yeah, dry storage is really important.
But does he know you cussed as much as you do?
Let's go question. But he was making fun of me.

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So we're standing there and we're putting these food packets together,
and my particular table was short. See thought, I'm got
to come over and talk to you for a little
bit and we'll pack some food together. And he says, well,
by the way, I heard Sean Hannity was asking about
me the other day, and I'm like, oh, dear Lord,
and he goes, it's strange, but it seems he is
unable to get in contact with me. And I was like,

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I don't know anything about that. He goes, are you
gonna lie to your pastor? I was like, I would
never lie to you. I may omit things, you know,
and he starts to laugh, and he goes, maybe I
should just take a picture of you right now and
text tone because we had to wear like it was
like ninety eight degrees in the church parking lot and
we're all in um, what do you call it? Hairnets
and gloves because you're handling food. And I was like,
if you do that, I'll promise you I will not

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treat you like a pastor. When I react, he starts
to laugh. It but that's why I love him. Well,
first of all, you have you play Christian music. You're
a great singer. I do, and I think we should
be a part of the church. It's not a choir,
it's it's like a band, and it's modern Christian music,
which I happen to like. And I want you to
sing in the church. And I want to talk to

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him about they actually have enough of those, And to
be perfectly frank with you, you know, I just don't
have the time in my life to devote to be
in that, you know, that role in the church. Maybe someday,
but maybe one practice and it's over. No, they're really devoted.
They get together a lot, they do a lot of practice,
and they're awesome. When you show up, it's gonna be
better or you. No, no, no, I'm happy to sing

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in the masses. I'm good. I love it. I talk
to the guy. Can you let me talk to the guy,
give me the guy, think about it. Maybe by Christmas.
We'll see. Maybe by Christmas, is that gonna be? You know.
You know who's a really good singer is Katie and
her dad used to sing in the church. She knows
all the church to push. Hit this off on Katie
when it's about you. Yes, please? Oh man, unbelievable. All right,

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let's get to our busy phones here as we check
in with Let's say hi to Trenton and Kansas. Trent,
how are you glad you called sir? Hi Sean. Great
to talk to you, great to talk to you. What's
going on? Oh? Um? Well, I just wanted to touch
on Kamala Harris's asinine comment about rural America and our

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inability to photocopy ideas or you know, get to polls.
And I live in extremely rural Kansas, a town of
about three hundred people. The biggest town within one hundred
miles of me is about five thousand people. And I

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can tell you from personal experience as a rural American,
if we want to vote, we'll find a way to vote.
I mean, it's the whole thing is so ridiculously insulting. Oh,
they may not have an office, depot or Kinkos, and
so how are they going to send in their registration?

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I'm like, Okay, you know what, We're not pathetic human
beings in the real world, and most of us function
pretty well without the nanny state of government holding our
hand on election day. We could figure it out. And
just what they don't want is voter id and they
just sound stupid with every excuse that they come up with.

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Absolutely and and you know, let me tell you this,
maybe not everybody in their house has a printer or
a copyer or things like that, but in rural America,
you know, we look after one another. We take care
of our neighbors. So if you don't personally have one,
I bet there's somebody around you that does that's willing
to help you out. Does everybody have a cell phone

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because you can take a picture of it. I mean,
it's not that hard, right and that would be proved positive. Um.
So look, all this is noise, and it's noised by people,
and they're sounding dumber by the day. And now they
got exposed. You know, they all said Jim Crow two

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point zero. They hurt the state of Georgia, hurt minority
businesses in Atlanta and surrounding areas Cobb County by by
losing them All Star Game. And that's on them for
their lives. Now they're empowering our Attorney General, Merrick Garland,

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and Merrick Garland is now going after Georgia but ignoring
Delaware with more restrictive measures. No, it's insulting. And by
the way, the majority of Americans of every race and
every ethnicity and every background, they support voter ID And
this is another losing policy that they have, Like defunding

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the police, they're on the wrong side of that. Like
open borders, they're on the wrong side of that. The
New Green Deal, they're on the wrong side of that.
With the American people packing the courts. They're on the
wrong side of that issue, and you know, they're just
they're losing, and I don't really This is now an

(01:22:59):
opportunity for Americans to actively change put integrity measures so
we can have confidence in election results in place. Do
it now, and then twenty twenty two, let's see how
the American people react to New Green deal ism, socialism,
open borders, and energy dependence and every other issue that's

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screwing up. Never mind Russia, China, Iran and everything else
that Joe screwing up. I don't even know where Joe is.
I don't think he knows what day of the week
it is. That's my take. Well, listen, Trent, you know what,
I'm in a lot of ways, and I'm not saying this.
I'm I'm being blunt and honest. You know, on the

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tougher days that I have, I'm like, why don't I
just get the hell out of here? Why don't I
just go and get some acreage, live on a ranch,
live out in the wilderness, live up, you know, just
get off the grid completely. I mean, there's something that
I just admire about people like yourself that are resilient

(01:24:03):
and independent and you do your own thing, and you
live your life the way you obviously want to live it.
I kind of admire it. I don't kind of, I
do admire it. I came from a you know, not
a big city by any means, but in by Kansas standards.
I came from the city out to rural Kansas, and
I wouldn't trade it for anything. The people are great. Um,

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you know, the atmosphere is great. Nobody bothers you. You know,
you could go about your own thing and and you
weren't to make a living, and you go home to
your family and you know, enjoy yourself. You know what.
That's what America used to be more like. And I
think in many ways. Look, I there's nothing appealing to

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me about the cities. Nothing. You know people. Well, what
about Broadway? I said, okay, I can go to Broadway
a night. I haven't been there in twenty five years. Um.
The restaurants, there are good restaurants everywhere, Um, every town.
If you have a waffle house and a cracker barrel,
that's a good restaurant for me. Olive Garden, I'm cool

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with Olive Garden. I'm you know, if you have an outback,
I'm cool with that too. You know when I would
take my kids on all these tournaments. I took them
on all the years that they were in junior sports.
I mean, I ate it all those places. I love
them just you know. And I had a great time,
and that was the that was the important time that
I needed to spend with my kids because I worked

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so hard during the week. And you know what, it
is funny. One thing I can tell you is that
so many towns and cities look exactly alike. Because I've
traveled all over the country and it's been the greatest
experience of my life. But but it is it is
what city are we in again? Because they will look alike.
The only question is where's the cracker barrel? Where's the

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waffle house? Doesn't matter what time of day or night
we land. If there's a waffle house, a cracker barrel,
let's open and in and out Burger that's open. I'm there,
I'm in and that's the first stop. Anybody that has
ever traveled with me, you know, Linda, you can confirm this.
What do I if I pass it? Two in the morning,
we land somewhere and I see a waffle house, what's happening?

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I've actually been with you when we've landed it two
and three in the morning, and you're asking me to
find one. Find the closest waffle house. Please find it now.
I'm starving. Okay that those words have come out of
my mouth quite often. I take everybody out, but why
you let well? But also I was never even out
one until you. I've never heard of it before. I

(01:26:35):
was on a plane with you most of these courses,
not because you put New York and Philly. What do
you mean, never heard of it? We go to a
cracker barrel. Oh NUTSI I was with you. See, I've
broadened your eating horizons. You can always count on cracker barrel. Man.
I'm i gotta agree with you. It's pretty It was

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pretty amazing. I was like, if it's reckonast, it's got
to be pancake bacon with the real Naple syrup. I
actually really like the store. Yeah, the store is cool
because it has like slinkies and all these toys and
all these old candies that we all grew up with,
which is pretty cool. Um, like Mary Janes, remember Mary
Janes and stuff like that, and all these crazy candies

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that we used to eat as kids. At least I did.
I mean, I'm a lot older than you, um, but
I love those places. The people are nice. Then you
get the orange soda, which is just a just delicious
creamsicle soda and root beer and a bottle. It just
is nothing, but I do like how they tailor it,
and it just feels very like as the caller was saying,

(01:27:42):
it's it's a very homey atmosphere and like most people
just want to be around their family, go home to
their thing. You do you, I'll do me and everybody
leave everybody alone. I mean, I think that's most people. Yeah,
and I'm like most people too. I go to the
same places to eat and I love it. I know
we're getting off track here, but these are some of
my favorite things. I guess you can say anyway, Trent,
God bless you and we appreciate you being with us.

(01:28:05):
All right, that's gonna wrap things up with today Hannity Tonight,
nine Eastern on the Fox News Channel. We are loaded
up Judge, Jeannene Piero, Leo two point zero, Kevin McCarthy,
Miranda Divine the Great One, Mark Levin, Rick Grinnell, JD
Van s, Dan Bongino, and Yeah. The NFL announces that
they will include the Black National Anthem and social justice

(01:28:28):
messages again. Can we just bring everybody and unite everybody together,
one nation under God, indivisible, liberty and justice for all.
We have one national anthem in singing it loudly and
proudly and unapologetically, and keep politics out of sports. We'll

(01:28:50):
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