June 2, 2023 • 33 mins
Secretary David Bernhardt, served as the 53rd United States Secretary of the Interior from 2019 to 2021 in the Trump administration, and is the author of the new book, You Report to Me, Accountability for the Failing Administrative State and joins us today to talk about the state of the nation, it’s agencies and what really happened with leaders.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A right our two Sean Hannity Show this Friday, eight
hundred and nine point one, Shawn or number you want
to be a part of the program. So last night
at the town hall just outside of Des Moines, Iowa.
By the way, the people were amazing. They were just
they were phenomenal. We had a great time just meeting
and saying hi, throwing footballs to them, et cetera. But anyway,
so the President said a couple of things that really
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stood out to me, and it's something that I've kind
of believed, and that is every problem we now have
caused by Joe Biden is you know, it's all preventable
and it's all solvable, very fixable. I mean, we can
get the border under control, in my view, in no time.
We can get back to energy independence. You know, just
unleash on day one America's energy producers and they'll do
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their job. They're they're they're dying to get up and
running the way they were.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
You know.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Similarly, you ever wanted to fix the school system, that's
not hard. It's not hard to hire police and refund them,
get rid of these insane no bail laws, et cetera.
One of the things that stood out to me is
he said, but he was elected. No, I'll turn this
country around in six months. Listen, I want to know
if you.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Get elected president, how fast are you're going to be
able to fix our borders, bring us back to energy independence.
How quickly you might be able to work to change
the school system, bring back law and order and safety
and security to this country and every town in every city,
because I think people need that if they want to
pursue happiness. How quickly can you can you shift gears
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and move this country?
Speaker 4 (01:34):
I think very quickly.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Let me just say so. I heard Desankis saying, oh, well,
I get eight years, I get eight years, he gets four.
You don't need four, and you don't need eight.
Speaker 6 (01:43):
You need six months.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
Within six months.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
I said, we're within six months.
Speaker 7 (01:48):
This can't be done.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
Other than other than you don't need eight years. And
frankly I wouldn't vote for him because he said you
need eight years, you need six months.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Okay, So he said that, and then he also said
the military has gone woke, which, by the way, it has,
and if we're going to give more money, I got
to tell you something that's got to stop.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
Our military is great a lot of things going on
with our military, with the woke and all this nonsense,
and they're not learning to fight and protect us from
some very bad people.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
They want to go woke. They want to go woke.
That's all they talk about.
Speaker 8 (02:25):
Now.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
I see letters that are being sent this horrible. I mean,
it's really a serious rub that would end immediately. But
when you look at what we did, we rebuilt, We
rebuilt our militaries.
Speaker 7 (02:37):
All right.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
With all that said, we welcome to the program.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Secretary David Bernhard He served as the fifty third US
Secretary of the Interior, working in the Trump administration from
twenty nineteen to twenty twenty one, author of the new
book You Report to Me, Accountability for Failing the Administrative State,
and anyway to talk about this the Union. I mean,
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now pretty much every single government department in Washington has
either well has both. They have woke policies A and
they have b climate alarmist, religious cult green new Deal
policies that are heavily funded with billions of tax fair dollars.
And at some point you got to ask USL why
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are we wasting all of this money? And I guess
that goes into the big debate that we had this
week with Congress and last night in the Senate over
you know, this new debt sealing increase and well, the
real fight is going to be when we get to appropriations.
That's sometime in December. Anyway, Secretary Bernhart, good to have you.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
How are you, sir?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Thanks for having me. I'm fantastic.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
All right, let's talk about you know, how bad is it?
It wasn't bad under Donald Trump. But you see the
amount of money allocated towards green New Deal projects.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
You see the amount of money that is.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Allocated towards you know, even woke in our military. And
I'm thinking, are you guys not watching what China is doing?
They're not woke. They're building the baddest, meanest, toughest, kick
ass military and the hopes that they will displace America
as the world's sole superpower. And correct me if you
think I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Well, the bottom line is that this is the you know,
these are central policies, central policies of this administration, and
you know they're they're hostile to traditional sources of clean
American energy. I mean, that's just a reality. A They
have a worldview. They've decided what the worldview is, and
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they're using the machinery of government to move that worldview
as far forward as fast as they humanly can. And
that's unlikely to change in the next you know, six
hundred days. I mean, I think that there's going to
take an election and the American people is going to
have to decide are they wanting to have that direction
or not. But if if they choose to pivot, if
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the American people choose to pivot, the reality is that
President Trump is spot on. It doesn't take that much
time to change directions. Some of these things are just
as simple as flipping on the light switch. But what
they do take is they take a will to do it,
and more importantly, they take the resolve to do it
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after people begin to say, hey, you know, this is
going to be something that not everyone in the world wakes.
And I've served in two administrations. I did eight years
under George W. Bush and I did four years under
President Trump. And let me tell you, when President Trump
wanted to go, we went and at Interior, we had
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a policy envision that was very consistent with exactly what
the President wanted to do, and we implemented it and
we implemented in four years, frankly more positive things than
I did in the same agency in eight. So the
reality is that the government can move as fast as
the president wants it to, provided he puts some people
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in place and issues clear direction and stays consistent. You
can move the government quickly if you choose to.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
You talk at length in your book about the growth
of the federal government on accounted of bureaucracy, unelected rule makers,
and you report how you know civil servants within agencies,
you know, make it their mission to obstruct and slow
down or in some cases even simply ignore orders of
a president. In the case of you working for Trump specifically.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
What happened.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Absolutely in the book you report to me accountability for
the failing administrative state. We actually have an entire section
of vignettes from political appointees in the Trump administration where
they were affected horribly negatively, and I give examples throughout
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the book of efforts to obstruct policy. But but the
point of the book is that even with those efforts,
you can overcome them, and there are solutions, and the
les last half of the book is nothing. But here
are the solutions that the president needs to engage in
here's the solutions that we think Congress would be. It
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would be helpful for Congress. And frankly, the courts are
already beginning to put things in the right direction in
the last two Supreme Court terms. And so I am
very optimistic about the future if we can have leaders
that are willing to say we need better results for
the American people. This stuff can be fixed. Accountability can
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be driven into the system, but it takes a willingness
and a resolve to do it.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
So I want to ask about this the administrative state.
How blowd do you believe it is? What percentage could
we comfortably cut back on? Knowing that government has big,
bloated out of control, and you know the amount of
money is coming from the American taxpayer just astronomical. You know,
if we don't get this balance, this budget and balanced shortly,
I think it just spirals out the out of control
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to the point return as even simple interest, especially higher
interest rates, are just going to become unmanageable, and I'm
not sure if you ever return.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Well, first off, you're right, and secondly, here's the reality.
I testified in front of Congress a lot. I testified
about our budget A lot. And here's the question I
never got. What are your goals? And as each project
or program accomplishing them, we don't even have in the
review process. What is the outcome we're trying to achieve
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and have we done it? And if we ask that question,
we might decide that the vast majority of federal programs
could be done better or more effectively, or maybe it's
not a problem we need to spend any more time on.
That is the real question that people don't ask in government.
If you go up and present a budget, they ask
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you about the marginal increase that you're making. Most of
them don't want it to They want it to go
or not lower, and they want to think about the
new programs they want to develop. They don't want to
ask have we won the war on poverty? And if not,
what should we be doing differently? And maybe we don't
need two point two million civil servants to accomplish the
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objective that we have. Those are just simply questions that
no one asked in Washington.
Speaker 8 (09:21):
D C.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Shark, let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Your book highlighted some prominent leaders like you know, I've
been a strong critic of the government's COVID response, and
by the way, in fairness to them, in the beginning,
I think everybody gave them enough latitude and slack because
nobody really knew what we were dealing with the extent
of what we were dealing with, and so there's going
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to be a learning curve in an environment like that.
So I'm not only full of criticism, but as time
went on, and especially learning that we had nih money
going to the Eco Alliance group funneled money to the
Wuhan virology Lab, where everybody knew gain of function research
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took place, and also coronavirus research took place. That to
me is you know, I feel we were flat out
lied to and there's been no accountability. You know, you
highlight in the book, for example, one leader, doctor Burkes,
boasting about the ways that she would work around the
plan of the president and the will of the president
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and just basically take it upon herself to do what
she wanted, not what he wanted.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I found that section of a book unbelievable because it
lays out specifically she calls her efforts a workaround around
the leadership in the White House a workaround. And then
here's the thing that's amazing to me, Sean, it's not
that she did it. You know, as a political appointee,
you expect people to try and have views and maybe
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not handle them in the right way, and it's on
you to watch out for that. But here's what's amazing.
She wrote a book and counted it. You know, in
any other organization, that would be in subordination. And if
you did it, you wouldn't write a book and say
how great it is. And my point in including that
in this book is it is one of the best
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examples of just how far the bureaucracy is gone from
their role, which is to be hopeful to whoever's elected
to drive you know, thoughtful measures forward to ensure that
there's you know that every factor is appropriately considered to
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be hopeful, not to engage in, you know, quote workarounds
because I don't like the policy or I don't like
the answer. There's a process for resolving issues, and that
process can be taken up by anybody, but there's not
a process of these workarounds. And it just said how
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far the bureaucracy has gotten from where it should be.
And more importantly, here's the real problem. If the bureaucracy
is going to ignore the president. Then what is the
point of you voting, Sean is none.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
It means nothing If they're just going to do what
they want. They've anointed themselves king or queen or whatever
the case.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
May be, and we can't have that. Bottom line is
we can't have that.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
So I agree completely, and that's what's happened.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Book to basically say here's the problem, folks, we need
to understand it, and here are the solutions, and hopefully
people pick it up and run with them.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
The book's phenomenal. It's on it's in bookstores all across
the country. It's on Amazon dot com. I'm putting a
link up on Hannity dot com and it's called you
Report to Me Accountability for the Failing Administrative State. We
really appreciate you being with us, David Bernhard, Thank you
so much. We appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Thanks a lot, and let's hit our busy bones here.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Eight hundred nine point one, Sean, if you want to
be a part of the program, Big Don Lake Ronkonkoma
out on Long Island. Don, what are you doing in
New York? Need to go down to Florida with your family.
Speaker 7 (13:02):
I do need to go down in Florida with my family,
and I have half of my my half of my
daughters are here and the other daughters down there, so
it's a it's tough.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
I would go with the smarter half of the family
down there.
Speaker 7 (13:15):
Yeah, I do see myself doing that real soon. You know,
it's showing. It's always uplifting to see patriotic Americans to
fire rainy weather that Iowa at Iowa town Hall last
night to attend an enthusiastic town hall meeting. It was great.
Do you ever run out of questions when you're viewing
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President Trump? I mean he really never.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Well, I mean he's an easy interview to be very honest,
because you know, look, and I actually said this on
the program, and some liberals picked up and they think
this is outrageous that I said this. I don't view
my role in a town hall environment.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Certainly a lot of the time we spent last night.
Now we're gonna have Part two tonight and we're running
a half hour of Donald Trump only taking questions from
the town hall audience, not me. So I got my
questions and I could have gone on another you know,
I can go five hours with somebody like Donald Trump
who's interesting.
Speaker 7 (14:12):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
So no, I don't run out of questions, and the
town hall attendees didn't run out, because we'll air that tonight.
Speaker 7 (14:19):
No, it was interesting last night. President Trump was very
concerned and sympathetic about Biden's you know fall yesterday, and
you know, his cognitive retreat. I found that very interesting. Yesterday.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
He was very by the way it was a true
story what he told. He said to me. We were
talking on the phone one day. I think, he goes,
I think you're being I'm not sure this is this
is good to be mocking the president over the fact
that he's a cognitive mess. And that's when I was
talking about sippy cup and warm milky and night night stories,
and you know, it was my way to kind of
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my attempt at humor. But even on my own, I
just realized, you know what, this isn't really funny. Yesterday
was not funny to me. Well, you know, him tripping
off climbing the stairs at airport orse one is not
is not funny anymore. It's not only humiliating and embarrassing,
but it's scary because he's the president with all that power.
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a great weekend. If followers you go down to Florida,
We're not going to be far behind, I promise. Eight
hundred ninety four one, Shawn. If you want to be
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(17:21):
is in Florida. Randy, how are you glad you.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
Called I'm doing good, Sean, how are you?
Speaker 1 (17:26):
I'm good, glad you checked in. Welcome from the Free
State of Florida. What's going on?
Speaker 6 (17:30):
Absolutely a longtime listener, love the show. I just wanted
to comment. I live in Florida. I lived on the
ground in Florida, not behind the gates of mar A Lago,
and I voted for Donald Trump twice. I'll vote for
him again, but that becomes less likely every time he
insists on attacking my governor and my state, the states.
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It's ironic to me. Okay, And at a certain point
he can run on his record, he can run on
all the facts, and there's no need to do that.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Well, what did you think of the answer that he
gave me last night when I asked him that question.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
Well, I agreed with all of it, but it's whining
at this point. We all know what happened, we all
saw what happened. We're all angry. We're all angry about
what happened.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Well, let me ask you this with knowing what happened,
because everybody in this audience has hippen and up to
speed on all that they did to him and the
Durham report, just you know it corroborated the absolute depths
of depravity, frankly immorality, even of the deep state and
the out the outright lying to destroy one human being.
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And it went on for three years and nobody was
all accountable. If it happened to you, do you think
you might be a little different.
Speaker 6 (18:47):
I'd be exactly like he is. I don't think I would.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Oh, you gotta pause there. If it happened to me,
I would be exactly like he.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
Is, but with the exception that I wouldn't lash out
at cheapople that are supposed to be on the same
side that I'm on.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Okay, I would be Look, I tend to agree with you.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
I would prefer they not be fighting now, I much.
I'm old enough to have been through enough of these
primaries that I can tell you with certainty, at some point,
if you got a close primary, it's it's it's going
to get to this point, it's going to be outright war.
You know, we saw it with Bush and McCain in
two thousand. I mean, any time there is a primary,
at some point they go to war. I wish they
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weren't starting at war.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I'm sixty six year old I know,
I've been through all these and I get that. I
just to come out of the gate with someone that
supported you. And frankly, in my opinion, this is just
my opinion, I like a lot of the candidates, is
the only other person in the in the race that
has the fortitude.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
I did ask the President in the previous interview. I
don't know if you saw this this exchange. I said, Okay,
tell me about you and Rondas. You guys were friends.
What happened? That was the entire question. And he went
on to answer, you know, and he said he doesn't
believe he would have even gotten the nomination over Putnam
had he not stepped in to help Ron.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Ron was not polling well at the time.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Now, if you remember in twenty eighteen, I remembered distinctly
how close it was down in Florida, polls showing that
both Rick Scott and Ron DeSantis could lose. And I
remember discussions that I had with Trump that he needs
to get is you know what down there and start
campaigning hard for those guys that we're going to lose Florida,
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meaning lose the governorship and lose a Senate seat. And
I didn't want to see that happen. So from his perspective,
whether you agree with it or not agree with it. Now,
he played a major role in Ron winning that first race,
and he's like, oh, so this is how you pay
me back by running against me again. I'm only giving
his perspective. Yeah, now, And I would say, from Ron's perspective,
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he said, yeah, you backed me, you backed the right guy,
and I did a good.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
Job, and they did a good job, and I supported
you right back in twenty twenty. Okay, I mean bottom line.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
So challenging to him directly is where the rub is?
Do you see that?
Speaker 8 (21:13):
Well? Exactly?
Speaker 6 (21:15):
And frankly, Donald Trump has every right to be angry.
I'm angry. I'm angry at the RMC. I think that
they do nothing but talk. I told him four or
five years ago, you got to get on the ground.
The Democrats are on the ground. They've got a ground game.
They're in every precinct in every small town in this nation.
And the Republicans are twiddling their thumbs and saying, oh,
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it'll be all right if we if we just play nice.
The Democrats aren't going to play nice. They crucify Donald Trump.
I go for him in a heartbeat, but he needs
to back off my state.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
And oh he's also listen, let me tell you something.
The Democrats see that Ron is the closest number two. Okay,
as of today, President Trump has a big in the polls,
but they see Ron as you know, who knows what's
going to happen between now and election day. You know,
these legal issues should concern anybody and everybody in Trump
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world in my view. Okay, so they're looking at round us.
They're already trying to tear him limb from limb, you
see that, right, absolutely, and they will do that to
any Republican that they deem to be a potential threat.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
That is who they are, that is how they operate.
They're not going to change.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
They are not going to change. They'll go lower, they'll
go lower, they'll go dirtier. They're on the ground again.
On my question, it would be as there are the
Republican's doing anything different this time, because they will get
into the polling places, they will get into these precincts,
and then.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
As of now, the answer is no, which is why
I keep talking about.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
It now and you're the only one talking about it,
thank you. By the way, I emailed Donald Trump five
years ago, begging them and what's your name, miss mcdonnald McDaniel.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Look, the Republicans better get in the game of overcoming
whatever objections around the country, a lot of Republicans and
Conservatives have towards early voting, email and voting that you've
got to get rid of it. And the second thing
is is legal ballot harvesting. It's legal in so many
different states in this country. And then Republicans are not
in that game. You can't start out election day down
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by hundreds of thousands of votes and count on having
the ability to catch up and win.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
No, And I still don't think they have feet on
the ground in these precincts. They need to have one
in every precinct in this country. They need to do
the same thing. Democrats be there, be in there where
you can make a difference that they got out, your
Republicans get outplayed. I've emailed everybody, from senators to congressmen
and everybody begged him to please do something besides talk
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and let this happen again, because this is probably our
last shot.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Now that I'm making it more loud and more public,
I can tell you that they are taking notice, But
the changes are not in place, and until they are,
I'm not going to shut up.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
Okay, Well, I appreciate you very much. I called you
because you're the one guy I hear it from.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
All Right, Randy, God bless you man.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Enjoy enjoy the free state of Florida, as I'm you know,
trapped up here in the hell hole known as New York.
Uh eight hundred and ninety four one. Sean, if you
want to be a part of the program, Paul is
in Chicago. What are you doing in Chicago? That's even
worse than New York.
Speaker 8 (24:22):
Oh, I'm actually at the airport getting ready to fly
to beautiful Charlotte. Uh so hopefully I'll get a little
reprieved from the communist Republic of show.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Well, maybe you should make it a one way ticket
and just stay there and pick out a house and move.
Speaker 8 (24:34):
I'm already planning to get out of here in a year.
So that's that's.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
That's good for you.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
By the way, most people I know they're getting out
of all these these big blue states with the draconian
taxes and regulations. Anyway, what's on your mind this Friday?
Speaker 8 (24:47):
Well, I kind of wanted to take the speaker and
you to task over this deal that's happened. And what
what this has made me think about the past few
weeks is that, you know, it's not just the Democrat
propaganda machine that's out spinning. I think that the Republican
propaganda machine is just as effective, but not against Democrats,
actually against Republicans. And you know this whole we're going
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to shut down the government. We're not going to negotiate, well,
maybe we will, or we're going to go after you know,
Director Ray, We're going to hold him in contempt. Well
maybe not. We'll go sit in an office and do
what he wants. Or we're going to go after lowest
learner who's now making millions on the speaking circuit. The
propaganda machine is keeping us hopeful, and in my opinion
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and part of the term, I think we've become useful idiots.
We're being used for an election cycle. They're going to
throw out things like you know, oversight and special councils
and congressional hearings, and we're going to get all hyped
up and say, maybe this time it's going to happen,
and it's not. And those of us out here who
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are craving some change, and our businesses are dying, our
education systems are dying. I work about eight months a
year just to pay tax here in Illinois. We need
that change. And you know, if they're afraid a piece
of paper being held by Christopher Ray is going to
destabilize the government, well maybe it needs to. You know,
maybe we need to go through that hard bump in
(26:13):
the road and have a reset that makes sense for
the country, not just.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Well in some ways, I mean Christopher Ray, you know, capitulated.
You know, now they're I guess first they agreed to
let them see it, but with redactions. Now I understand
they're going to let them see it without redactions. The
interesting part of that equation is Comer and Grassley already
saw it, and they had to get the FBI to
(26:37):
acknowledge that they had it. And I think one of
the reasons is why, you know, these are very specific.
They say credible allegations that in fact, Joe Biden took
specific actions based on moneys that were going to his
family enterprise. Now, if that's true, that would be you know,
an allegation of bribery, high crimes, misdemeanors, and he would
(27:00):
be impeached over that, and that's something that he could
get convicted for if that's proven.
Speaker 8 (27:06):
And I agree with with that one piece of paper,
but you know that the path that led to that
piece of paper is very long and involves many many people,
both those appointed and those elected. This is not a
one of kind of deal where someone goes rogue on
their own and collects money while they're vice president. So
(27:26):
I think there's a lot more to this that the
FBI and the powers that be don't want us to know.
But you know, we're going to do things like past
the border protection bill in the House knowing full well
that's just virtue signaling and it has absolutely zero chance
of going through with this.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
I think they're laying down markers and then it's a
matter of whether they hold them accountable. I think conservatives
would would appreciate him that much more. I think the
stronger they fight, the better they do. Fighting hard is
good politics. Keeping promises is good politics. Anyway, good call, appreciated, Paul.
Enjoy your trip, by the way. Eight hundred and nine
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Hang on for Sean's conservative solutions. Hi, back to our
phones eight hundred and ninety four one, Sean, if you
want to be a part of the program. John in Oklahoma, John,
how are you glad you called?
Speaker 6 (29:51):
Hi?
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Sean.
Speaker 9 (29:52):
I really appreciate you taking my call. I'm a longtime listener,
longer time watcher, and h well you for everything you
can do.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Well, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I been in Norman, Oklahoma more times than I can
count because of my my kids in sports.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
What's what's on your mind today?
Speaker 9 (30:06):
Yeah, So, a great job last night with the interview
in town hall with President Trump. You know, you know,
I'm concerned about President trump selectability, you know, with him
going low with you know, negative ads on desantus a
month before he starts all these kind of you know,
just kind of childie nicknames and you know, he kind
(30:29):
of recently sort of uh sort of called out and
went after Tayley macanai. And I was his number one person,
you know in uh, you know, for you know, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
As part of his cabinet.
Speaker 9 (30:44):
So I'm just concerned that the negatives are going to
outweigh any possible Well.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I asked him the question almost verbatim last night. What
did you think of his answer?
Speaker 9 (30:52):
Well, it was a I thought, you again, you didn't
want to put him totally on the spot and say, hey,
what's with the name calling?
Speaker 2 (30:58):
And I and I get that, but you.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Get oh I said specifically name calling.
Speaker 9 (31:03):
Yeah you did, you did?
Speaker 2 (31:04):
And he but he didn't.
Speaker 9 (31:05):
Answer it because you threw in there. You know, why
do you fight back so much? And that's kind of
what he focused on. I listen, I thought it was
funny back in twenty sixteen or Crooked Hillary. I thought
it was funnier with sleepy Joe. I just don't think
in party, I think. I think. I just think it's
unbecoming of him. And if he's a team player, and
(31:26):
I know there's no Iron team, but if he wants
to win, you know, he's gotta he's gotta turn things
around and be a little bit more appealing to independence
and moderates.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
That was the premise of my question as well. I said,
I said, almost verbatim what you just concluded with. Look,
that's gonna be up to him. I will tell you this,
whatever the issues are, this beyond piece and prosperity, which
we know is on the ballot in every election. Whatever
the issues are, you know, I think Americans have to
(31:59):
accep one thing. If you want a president's going to
fight like hell for a border and energy independence, and
fight like hell against China and North Korea, you know,
and and NATO and globalist forces and the WHO and
the WEF and all these groups, the Paris Climate Accords.
Then you know, there's not a switch in somebody's mind.
(32:21):
I've kind of accepted that there's not a switch in
his head that's going to say, oh, okay, I'm going
to be a fighter, you know, twenty four to seven
when I'm working, but then all of a sudden, I'm
going to turn it off while I'm campaigning. I Does
that make sense to you? So I kind of just
accept it.
Speaker 9 (32:36):
Does that make make sense? Yeah, that absolutely makes sense. Listen,
we love Trump policies. Okay, I'm just.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Saying, do you think he would benefit himself more if
he not moderated, but if he was a little bit
more selective in the use of the fight.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
I got it, I understand.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
But you know what, that's gonna come down to the
Republican primary vote and that and ultimately the general election voters.
You know, but don't forget on the other side. You
got a corpse that can't stand on his own two
feet and can't think on his own two feet anyway,
appreciate the call.
A right our two Sean Hannity Show this Friday, eight
hundred and nine point one, Shawn or number you want
to be a part of the program. So last night
at the town hall just outside of Des Moines, Iowa.
By the way, the people were amazing. They were just
they were phenomenal. We had a great time just meeting
and saying hi, throwing footballs to them, et cetera. But anyway,
so the President said a couple of things that really
(00:22):
stood out to me, and it's something that I've kind
of believed, and that is every problem we now have
caused by Joe Biden is you know, it's all preventable
and it's all solvable, very fixable. I mean, we can
get the border under control, in my view, in no time.
We can get back to energy independence. You know, just
unleash on day one America's energy producers and they'll do
(00:46):
their job. They're they're they're dying to get up and
running the way they were.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
You know.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Similarly, you ever wanted to fix the school system, that's
not hard. It's not hard to hire police and refund them,
get rid of these insane no bail laws, et cetera.
One of the things that stood out to me is
he said, but he was elected. No, I'll turn this
country around in six months. Listen, I want to know
if you.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Get elected president, how fast are you're going to be
able to fix our borders, bring us back to energy independence.
How quickly you might be able to work to change
the school system, bring back law and order and safety
and security to this country and every town in every city,
because I think people need that if they want to
pursue happiness. How quickly can you can you shift gears
(01:33):
and move this country?
Speaker 4 (01:34):
I think very quickly.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Let me just say so. I heard Desankis saying, oh, well,
I get eight years, I get eight years, he gets four.
You don't need four, and you don't need eight.
Speaker 6 (01:43):
You need six months.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
Within six months.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
I said, we're within six months.
Speaker 7 (01:48):
This can't be done.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
Other than other than you don't need eight years. And
frankly I wouldn't vote for him because he said you
need eight years, you need six months.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Okay, So he said that, and then he also said
the military has gone woke, which, by the way, it has,
and if we're going to give more money, I got
to tell you something that's got to stop.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
Our military is great a lot of things going on
with our military, with the woke and all this nonsense,
and they're not learning to fight and protect us from
some very bad people.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
They want to go woke. They want to go woke.
That's all they talk about.
Speaker 8 (02:25):
Now.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
I see letters that are being sent this horrible. I mean,
it's really a serious rub that would end immediately. But
when you look at what we did, we rebuilt, We
rebuilt our militaries.
Speaker 7 (02:37):
All right.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
With all that said, we welcome to the program.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Secretary David Bernhard He served as the fifty third US
Secretary of the Interior, working in the Trump administration from
twenty nineteen to twenty twenty one, author of the new
book You Report to Me, Accountability for Failing the Administrative State,
and anyway to talk about this the Union. I mean,
(03:01):
now pretty much every single government department in Washington has
either well has both. They have woke policies A and
they have b climate alarmist, religious cult green new Deal
policies that are heavily funded with billions of tax fair dollars.
And at some point you got to ask USL why
(03:22):
are we wasting all of this money? And I guess
that goes into the big debate that we had this
week with Congress and last night in the Senate over
you know, this new debt sealing increase and well, the
real fight is going to be when we get to appropriations.
That's sometime in December. Anyway, Secretary Bernhart, good to have you.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
How are you, sir?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Thanks for having me. I'm fantastic.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
All right, let's talk about you know, how bad is it?
It wasn't bad under Donald Trump. But you see the
amount of money allocated towards green New Deal projects.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
You see the amount of money that is.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Allocated towards you know, even woke in our military. And
I'm thinking, are you guys not watching what China is doing?
They're not woke. They're building the baddest, meanest, toughest, kick
ass military and the hopes that they will displace America
as the world's sole superpower. And correct me if you
think I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Well, the bottom line is that this is the you know,
these are central policies, central policies of this administration, and
you know they're they're hostile to traditional sources of clean
American energy. I mean, that's just a reality. A They
have a worldview. They've decided what the worldview is, and
(04:32):
they're using the machinery of government to move that worldview
as far forward as fast as they humanly can. And
that's unlikely to change in the next you know, six
hundred days. I mean, I think that there's going to
take an election and the American people is going to
have to decide are they wanting to have that direction
or not. But if if they choose to pivot, if
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the American people choose to pivot, the reality is that
President Trump is spot on. It doesn't take that much
time to change directions. Some of these things are just
as simple as flipping on the light switch. But what
they do take is they take a will to do it,
and more importantly, they take the resolve to do it
(05:13):
after people begin to say, hey, you know, this is
going to be something that not everyone in the world wakes.
And I've served in two administrations. I did eight years
under George W. Bush and I did four years under
President Trump. And let me tell you, when President Trump
wanted to go, we went and at Interior, we had
(05:34):
a policy envision that was very consistent with exactly what
the President wanted to do, and we implemented it and
we implemented in four years, frankly more positive things than
I did in the same agency in eight. So the
reality is that the government can move as fast as
the president wants it to, provided he puts some people
(05:55):
in place and issues clear direction and stays consistent. You
can move the government quickly if you choose to.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
You talk at length in your book about the growth
of the federal government on accounted of bureaucracy, unelected rule makers,
and you report how you know civil servants within agencies,
you know, make it their mission to obstruct and slow
down or in some cases even simply ignore orders of
a president. In the case of you working for Trump specifically.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
What happened.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Absolutely in the book you report to me accountability for
the failing administrative state. We actually have an entire section
of vignettes from political appointees in the Trump administration where
they were affected horribly negatively, and I give examples throughout
(06:46):
the book of efforts to obstruct policy. But but the
point of the book is that even with those efforts,
you can overcome them, and there are solutions, and the
les last half of the book is nothing. But here
are the solutions that the president needs to engage in
here's the solutions that we think Congress would be. It
(07:09):
would be helpful for Congress. And frankly, the courts are
already beginning to put things in the right direction in
the last two Supreme Court terms. And so I am
very optimistic about the future if we can have leaders
that are willing to say we need better results for
the American people. This stuff can be fixed. Accountability can
(07:32):
be driven into the system, but it takes a willingness
and a resolve to do it.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
So I want to ask about this the administrative state.
How blowd do you believe it is? What percentage could
we comfortably cut back on? Knowing that government has big,
bloated out of control, and you know the amount of
money is coming from the American taxpayer just astronomical. You know,
if we don't get this balance, this budget and balanced shortly,
I think it just spirals out the out of control
(07:59):
to the point return as even simple interest, especially higher
interest rates, are just going to become unmanageable, and I'm
not sure if you ever return.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Well, first off, you're right, and secondly, here's the reality.
I testified in front of Congress a lot. I testified
about our budget A lot. And here's the question I
never got. What are your goals? And as each project
or program accomplishing them, we don't even have in the
review process. What is the outcome we're trying to achieve
(08:33):
and have we done it? And if we ask that question,
we might decide that the vast majority of federal programs
could be done better or more effectively, or maybe it's
not a problem we need to spend any more time on.
That is the real question that people don't ask in government.
If you go up and present a budget, they ask
(08:54):
you about the marginal increase that you're making. Most of
them don't want it to They want it to go
or not lower, and they want to think about the
new programs they want to develop. They don't want to
ask have we won the war on poverty? And if not,
what should we be doing differently? And maybe we don't
need two point two million civil servants to accomplish the
(09:16):
objective that we have. Those are just simply questions that
no one asked in Washington.
Speaker 8 (09:21):
D C.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Shark, let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Your book highlighted some prominent leaders like you know, I've
been a strong critic of the government's COVID response, and
by the way, in fairness to them, in the beginning,
I think everybody gave them enough latitude and slack because
nobody really knew what we were dealing with the extent
of what we were dealing with, and so there's going
(09:43):
to be a learning curve in an environment like that.
So I'm not only full of criticism, but as time
went on, and especially learning that we had nih money
going to the Eco Alliance group funneled money to the
Wuhan virology Lab, where everybody knew gain of function research
(10:03):
took place, and also coronavirus research took place. That to
me is you know, I feel we were flat out
lied to and there's been no accountability. You know, you
highlight in the book, for example, one leader, doctor Burkes,
boasting about the ways that she would work around the
plan of the president and the will of the president
(10:25):
and just basically take it upon herself to do what
she wanted, not what he wanted.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I found that section of a book unbelievable because it
lays out specifically she calls her efforts a workaround around
the leadership in the White House a workaround. And then
here's the thing that's amazing to me, Sean, it's not
that she did it. You know, as a political appointee,
you expect people to try and have views and maybe
(10:51):
not handle them in the right way, and it's on
you to watch out for that. But here's what's amazing.
She wrote a book and counted it. You know, in
any other organization, that would be in subordination. And if
you did it, you wouldn't write a book and say
how great it is. And my point in including that
in this book is it is one of the best
(11:12):
examples of just how far the bureaucracy is gone from
their role, which is to be hopeful to whoever's elected
to drive you know, thoughtful measures forward to ensure that
there's you know that every factor is appropriately considered to
(11:35):
be hopeful, not to engage in, you know, quote workarounds
because I don't like the policy or I don't like
the answer. There's a process for resolving issues, and that
process can be taken up by anybody, but there's not
a process of these workarounds. And it just said how
(11:55):
far the bureaucracy has gotten from where it should be.
And more importantly, here's the real problem. If the bureaucracy
is going to ignore the president. Then what is the
point of you voting, Sean is none.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
It means nothing If they're just going to do what
they want. They've anointed themselves king or queen or whatever
the case.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
May be, and we can't have that. Bottom line is
we can't have that.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
So I agree completely, and that's what's happened.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Book to basically say here's the problem, folks, we need
to understand it, and here are the solutions, and hopefully
people pick it up and run with them.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
The book's phenomenal. It's on it's in bookstores all across
the country. It's on Amazon dot com. I'm putting a
link up on Hannity dot com and it's called you
Report to Me Accountability for the Failing Administrative State. We
really appreciate you being with us, David Bernhard, Thank you
so much. We appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Thanks a lot, and let's hit our busy bones here.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Eight hundred nine point one, Sean, if you want to
be a part of the program, Big Don Lake Ronkonkoma
out on Long Island. Don, what are you doing in
New York? Need to go down to Florida with your family.
Speaker 7 (13:02):
I do need to go down in Florida with my family,
and I have half of my my half of my
daughters are here and the other daughters down there, so
it's a it's tough.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
I would go with the smarter half of the family
down there.
Speaker 7 (13:15):
Yeah, I do see myself doing that real soon. You know,
it's showing. It's always uplifting to see patriotic Americans to
fire rainy weather that Iowa at Iowa town Hall last
night to attend an enthusiastic town hall meeting. It was great.
Do you ever run out of questions when you're viewing
(13:36):
President Trump? I mean he really never.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Well, I mean he's an easy interview to be very honest,
because you know, look, and I actually said this on
the program, and some liberals picked up and they think
this is outrageous that I said this. I don't view
my role in a town hall environment.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Certainly a lot of the time we spent last night.
Now we're gonna have Part two tonight and we're running
a half hour of Donald Trump only taking questions from
the town hall audience, not me. So I got my
questions and I could have gone on another you know,
I can go five hours with somebody like Donald Trump
who's interesting.
Speaker 7 (14:12):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
So no, I don't run out of questions, and the
town hall attendees didn't run out, because we'll air that tonight.
Speaker 7 (14:19):
No, it was interesting last night. President Trump was very
concerned and sympathetic about Biden's you know fall yesterday, and
you know, his cognitive retreat. I found that very interesting. Yesterday.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
He was very by the way it was a true
story what he told. He said to me. We were
talking on the phone one day. I think, he goes,
I think you're being I'm not sure this is this
is good to be mocking the president over the fact
that he's a cognitive mess. And that's when I was
talking about sippy cup and warm milky and night night stories,
and you know, it was my way to kind of
(14:52):
my attempt at humor. But even on my own, I
just realized, you know what, this isn't really funny. Yesterday
was not funny to me. Well, you know, him tripping
off climbing the stairs at airport orse one is not
is not funny anymore. It's not only humiliating and embarrassing,
but it's scary because he's the president with all that power.
(15:14):
I got a roll. Though we love you don have
a great weekend. If followers you go down to Florida,
We're not going to be far behind, I promise. Eight
hundred ninety four one, Shawn. If you want to be
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Speaker 6 (17:23):
Called I'm doing good, Sean, how are you?
Speaker 1 (17:26):
I'm good, glad you checked in. Welcome from the Free
State of Florida. What's going on?
Speaker 6 (17:30):
Absolutely a longtime listener, love the show. I just wanted
to comment. I live in Florida. I lived on the
ground in Florida, not behind the gates of mar A Lago,
and I voted for Donald Trump twice. I'll vote for
him again, but that becomes less likely every time he
insists on attacking my governor and my state, the states.
(17:51):
It's ironic to me. Okay, And at a certain point
he can run on his record, he can run on
all the facts, and there's no need to do that.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Well, what did you think of the answer that he
gave me last night when I asked him that question.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
Well, I agreed with all of it, but it's whining
at this point. We all know what happened, we all
saw what happened. We're all angry. We're all angry about
what happened.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Well, let me ask you this with knowing what happened,
because everybody in this audience has hippen and up to
speed on all that they did to him and the
Durham report, just you know it corroborated the absolute depths
of depravity, frankly immorality, even of the deep state and
the out the outright lying to destroy one human being.
(18:39):
And it went on for three years and nobody was
all accountable. If it happened to you, do you think
you might be a little different.
Speaker 6 (18:47):
I'd be exactly like he is. I don't think I would.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Oh, you gotta pause there. If it happened to me,
I would be exactly like he.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
Is, but with the exception that I wouldn't lash out
at cheapople that are supposed to be on the same
side that I'm on.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Okay, I would be Look, I tend to agree with you.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
I would prefer they not be fighting now, I much.
I'm old enough to have been through enough of these
primaries that I can tell you with certainty, at some point,
if you got a close primary, it's it's it's going
to get to this point, it's going to be outright war.
You know, we saw it with Bush and McCain in
two thousand. I mean, any time there is a primary,
at some point they go to war. I wish they
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weren't starting at war.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I'm sixty six year old I know,
I've been through all these and I get that. I
just to come out of the gate with someone that
supported you. And frankly, in my opinion, this is just
my opinion, I like a lot of the candidates, is
the only other person in the in the race that
has the fortitude.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
I did ask the President in the previous interview. I
don't know if you saw this this exchange. I said, Okay,
tell me about you and Rondas. You guys were friends.
What happened? That was the entire question. And he went
on to answer, you know, and he said he doesn't
believe he would have even gotten the nomination over Putnam
had he not stepped in to help Ron.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Ron was not polling well at the time.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Now, if you remember in twenty eighteen, I remembered distinctly
how close it was down in Florida, polls showing that
both Rick Scott and Ron DeSantis could lose. And I
remember discussions that I had with Trump that he needs
to get is you know what down there and start
campaigning hard for those guys that we're going to lose Florida,
(20:37):
meaning lose the governorship and lose a Senate seat. And
I didn't want to see that happen. So from his perspective,
whether you agree with it or not agree with it. Now,
he played a major role in Ron winning that first race,
and he's like, oh, so this is how you pay
me back by running against me again. I'm only giving
his perspective. Yeah, now, And I would say, from Ron's perspective,
(20:59):
he said, yeah, you backed me, you backed the right guy,
and I did a good.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
Job, and they did a good job, and I supported
you right back in twenty twenty. Okay, I mean bottom line.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
So challenging to him directly is where the rub is?
Do you see that?
Speaker 8 (21:13):
Well? Exactly?
Speaker 6 (21:15):
And frankly, Donald Trump has every right to be angry.
I'm angry. I'm angry at the RMC. I think that
they do nothing but talk. I told him four or
five years ago, you got to get on the ground.
The Democrats are on the ground. They've got a ground game.
They're in every precinct in every small town in this nation.
And the Republicans are twiddling their thumbs and saying, oh,
(21:37):
it'll be all right if we if we just play nice.
The Democrats aren't going to play nice. They crucify Donald Trump.
I go for him in a heartbeat, but he needs
to back off my state.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
And oh he's also listen, let me tell you something.
The Democrats see that Ron is the closest number two. Okay,
as of today, President Trump has a big in the polls,
but they see Ron as you know, who knows what's
going to happen between now and election day. You know,
these legal issues should concern anybody and everybody in Trump
(22:10):
world in my view. Okay, so they're looking at round us.
They're already trying to tear him limb from limb, you
see that, right, absolutely, and they will do that to
any Republican that they deem to be a potential threat.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
That is who they are, that is how they operate.
They're not going to change.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
They are not going to change. They'll go lower, they'll
go lower, they'll go dirtier. They're on the ground again.
On my question, it would be as there are the
Republican's doing anything different this time, because they will get
into the polling places, they will get into these precincts,
and then.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
As of now, the answer is no, which is why
I keep talking about.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
It now and you're the only one talking about it,
thank you. By the way, I emailed Donald Trump five
years ago, begging them and what's your name, miss mcdonnald McDaniel.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Look, the Republicans better get in the game of overcoming
whatever objections around the country, a lot of Republicans and
Conservatives have towards early voting, email and voting that you've
got to get rid of it. And the second thing
is is legal ballot harvesting. It's legal in so many
different states in this country. And then Republicans are not
in that game. You can't start out election day down
(23:23):
by hundreds of thousands of votes and count on having
the ability to catch up and win.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
No, And I still don't think they have feet on
the ground in these precincts. They need to have one
in every precinct in this country. They need to do
the same thing. Democrats be there, be in there where
you can make a difference that they got out, your
Republicans get outplayed. I've emailed everybody, from senators to congressmen
and everybody begged him to please do something besides talk
(23:49):
and let this happen again, because this is probably our
last shot.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Now that I'm making it more loud and more public,
I can tell you that they are taking notice, But
the changes are not in place, and until they are,
I'm not going to shut up.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
Okay, Well, I appreciate you very much. I called you
because you're the one guy I hear it from.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
All Right, Randy, God bless you man.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Enjoy enjoy the free state of Florida, as I'm you know,
trapped up here in the hell hole known as New York.
Uh eight hundred and ninety four one. Sean, if you
want to be a part of the program, Paul is
in Chicago. What are you doing in Chicago? That's even
worse than New York.
Speaker 8 (24:22):
Oh, I'm actually at the airport getting ready to fly
to beautiful Charlotte. Uh so hopefully I'll get a little
reprieved from the communist Republic of show.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Well, maybe you should make it a one way ticket
and just stay there and pick out a house and move.
Speaker 8 (24:34):
I'm already planning to get out of here in a year.
So that's that's.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
That's good for you.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
By the way, most people I know they're getting out
of all these these big blue states with the draconian
taxes and regulations. Anyway, what's on your mind this Friday?
Speaker 8 (24:47):
Well, I kind of wanted to take the speaker and
you to task over this deal that's happened. And what
what this has made me think about the past few
weeks is that, you know, it's not just the Democrat
propaganda machine that's out spinning. I think that the Republican
propaganda machine is just as effective, but not against Democrats,
actually against Republicans. And you know this whole we're going
(25:10):
to shut down the government. We're not going to negotiate, well,
maybe we will, or we're going to go after you know,
Director Ray, We're going to hold him in contempt. Well
maybe not. We'll go sit in an office and do
what he wants. Or we're going to go after lowest
learner who's now making millions on the speaking circuit. The
propaganda machine is keeping us hopeful, and in my opinion
(25:31):
and part of the term, I think we've become useful idiots.
We're being used for an election cycle. They're going to
throw out things like you know, oversight and special councils
and congressional hearings, and we're going to get all hyped
up and say, maybe this time it's going to happen,
and it's not. And those of us out here who
(25:51):
are craving some change, and our businesses are dying, our
education systems are dying. I work about eight months a
year just to pay tax here in Illinois. We need
that change. And you know, if they're afraid a piece
of paper being held by Christopher Ray is going to
destabilize the government, well maybe it needs to. You know,
maybe we need to go through that hard bump in
(26:13):
the road and have a reset that makes sense for
the country, not just.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Well in some ways, I mean Christopher Ray, you know, capitulated.
You know, now they're I guess first they agreed to
let them see it, but with redactions. Now I understand
they're going to let them see it without redactions. The
interesting part of that equation is Comer and Grassley already
saw it, and they had to get the FBI to
(26:37):
acknowledge that they had it. And I think one of
the reasons is why, you know, these are very specific.
They say credible allegations that in fact, Joe Biden took
specific actions based on moneys that were going to his
family enterprise. Now, if that's true, that would be you know,
an allegation of bribery, high crimes, misdemeanors, and he would
(27:00):
be impeached over that, and that's something that he could
get convicted for if that's proven.
Speaker 8 (27:06):
And I agree with with that one piece of paper,
but you know that the path that led to that
piece of paper is very long and involves many many people,
both those appointed and those elected. This is not a
one of kind of deal where someone goes rogue on
their own and collects money while they're vice president. So
(27:26):
I think there's a lot more to this that the
FBI and the powers that be don't want us to know.
But you know, we're going to do things like past
the border protection bill in the House knowing full well
that's just virtue signaling and it has absolutely zero chance
of going through with this.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
I think they're laying down markers and then it's a
matter of whether they hold them accountable. I think conservatives
would would appreciate him that much more. I think the
stronger they fight, the better they do. Fighting hard is
good politics. Keeping promises is good politics. Anyway, good call, appreciated, Paul.
Enjoy your trip, by the way. Eight hundred and nine
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The final hour of the Sean Hannity Show was up next.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Hang on for Sean's conservative solutions. Hi, back to our
phones eight hundred and ninety four one, Sean, if you
want to be a part of the program. John in Oklahoma, John,
how are you glad you called?
Speaker 6 (29:51):
Hi?
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Sean.
Speaker 9 (29:52):
I really appreciate you taking my call. I'm a longtime listener,
longer time watcher, and h well you for everything you
can do.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Well, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I been in Norman, Oklahoma more times than I can
count because of my my kids in sports.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
What's what's on your mind today?
Speaker 9 (30:06):
Yeah, So, a great job last night with the interview
in town hall with President Trump. You know, you know,
I'm concerned about President trump selectability, you know, with him
going low with you know, negative ads on desantus a
month before he starts all these kind of you know,
just kind of childie nicknames and you know, he kind
(30:29):
of recently sort of uh sort of called out and
went after Tayley macanai. And I was his number one person,
you know in uh, you know, for you know, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
As part of his cabinet.
Speaker 9 (30:44):
So I'm just concerned that the negatives are going to
outweigh any possible Well.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I asked him the question almost verbatim last night. What
did you think of his answer?
Speaker 9 (30:52):
Well, it was a I thought, you again, you didn't
want to put him totally on the spot and say, hey,
what's with the name calling?
Speaker 2 (30:58):
And I and I get that, but you.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Get oh I said specifically name calling.
Speaker 9 (31:03):
Yeah you did, you did?
Speaker 2 (31:04):
And he but he didn't.
Speaker 9 (31:05):
Answer it because you threw in there. You know, why
do you fight back so much? And that's kind of
what he focused on. I listen, I thought it was
funny back in twenty sixteen or Crooked Hillary. I thought
it was funnier with sleepy Joe. I just don't think
in party, I think. I think. I just think it's
unbecoming of him. And if he's a team player, and
(31:26):
I know there's no Iron team, but if he wants
to win, you know, he's gotta he's gotta turn things
around and be a little bit more appealing to independence
and moderates.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
That was the premise of my question as well. I said,
I said, almost verbatim what you just concluded with. Look,
that's gonna be up to him. I will tell you this,
whatever the issues are, this beyond piece and prosperity, which
we know is on the ballot in every election. Whatever
the issues are, you know, I think Americans have to
(31:59):
accep one thing. If you want a president's going to
fight like hell for a border and energy independence, and
fight like hell against China and North Korea, you know,
and and NATO and globalist forces and the WHO and
the WEF and all these groups, the Paris Climate Accords.
Then you know, there's not a switch in somebody's mind.
(32:21):
I've kind of accepted that there's not a switch in
his head that's going to say, oh, okay, I'm going
to be a fighter, you know, twenty four to seven
when I'm working, but then all of a sudden, I'm
going to turn it off while I'm campaigning. I Does
that make sense to you? So I kind of just
accept it.
Speaker 9 (32:36):
Does that make make sense? Yeah, that absolutely makes sense. Listen,
we love Trump policies. Okay, I'm just.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Saying, do you think he would benefit himself more if
he not moderated, but if he was a little bit
more selective in the use of the fight.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
I got it, I understand.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
But you know what, that's gonna come down to the
Republican primary vote and that and ultimately the general election voters.
You know, but don't forget on the other side. You
got a corpse that can't stand on his own two
feet and can't think on his own two feet anyway,
appreciate the call.
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