October 22, 2017 • 51 mins
This week Sean was live from Las Vegas and covered; an emotional defense of President Trump by General Kelly, an angry Senator Rand Paul who has been trying to leverage the power of reconciliation to move an agenda, the legendary Dionne Warwick stopped by and actress Tracy Melchior and musician Kaya Jones stopped by to share their thoughts on the Harvey Weinstein scandal. The Sean Hannity Show is live weekdays from 3 pm to 6 pm ET on iHeartRadio and Hannity.com.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Let not your heart be troubled. You are listening to
the Sean Hannity Radio Show podcast. General Kelly just took
to the podium and I want to play it in full.
This will be a third topic today and tonight. I
want you to listen to what he had to say
about those that dare politicize the death of a soldier.
And that means all of you fake news people on CNN, NBC,
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mainstream media, you discussed me. All of you listen. Uh,
most Americans don't know what happens when we lose one
of our soldier, Sailors, m and Marines, coast Guards been
in combat. So let me tell you what happens. Their
buddies wrap them up in whatever passes as a shroud,
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puts him on a helicopter as a routine, and sends
them home. Uh. Their first stop along the way is
when they're packed an ice, uh typically at the at
the air head. And then they've flown to using Europe
where they're then packed an ice again in flowing to
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Dover fourth Space where Dover takes care of the remains
and bombs them meticulously, dresses them in their uniform with
the with the metals that they've earned the emblems of
their service, and then puts them on another airplane linked
up with a casualty officer escort that takes them home.
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A very very good movie to watch if you haven't
ever seen it, is Taking Chance, where this is done
in a movie HBO setting Chance Phelps was killed under
my command right next to me, and it's worth seeing
that if you've never seen it. So that's the process. Well,
that's happening. A casualty officer typically goes to the home
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very early in the morning and waits for the first
lights to come on, and then he knocks on the door.
Typically the mom and dad will answer wife, and if
there is a wife, this is happening in two different places.
If the parents are divorced, three different places, and the
casually casualty officer uh proceeds to break the heart of
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a family member and stays with that family until UH,
well for a long long time, even after the internment.
So that's what happens. Who are these young men and women.
They are the best one percent this country produces. Most
of you, as Americans don't know them. Many of you
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don't know anyone who knows any of one of them,
but they are the very best country produces, and they
volunteered to protect our country when there's nothing in our
country anymore. That seems to suggest that self such service
to the nation is not only appropriate but required. So
that's all right. Um. Who writes letters to the families?
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Typically a company commander in my case is a marine
the company commander, Britannic command of regimental commander, Division commander,
Secretary of Defense, typically the service chief comment on the
Marine corps, and the president typically writes a letter. Typically,
the only phone calls the family receives are the most
important phone calls they can imagine, and that is from
their buddies. In my case, hours after my son was killed,
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his friends were calling us from Afghanistan telling us what
a great guy was. Those are the only phone calls
that really matter. And yeah, the the letters count to
a degree, but there's not much that really can take
the edge off where the family members going through. So Um.
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Some presidents have elected to call. All presidents, I believe,
have elected to send letters. Um. If you elect to
call a family like this, it is about the most
difficult thing you could imagine. There's no perfect way to
make that phone call. Ah. When I took this job,
UH and talked to President UH Trump about how to
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do it. My first recommendation was he not do it
because it's not the phone call that parents, family members
are looking forward to. It's nice to do in my opinion.
In any event, Uh. He asked me about previous presidents,
and I said, I can tell you that President Obama,
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who was my commander in chief when I was on
active duty, did not call my family. That was not
a criticism. That was just to simply say, I don't
believe President Obama called. That's not a negative thing. I
don't believe President Bush called in all cases. UM, I
don't believe any president, particularly when the casualty rates are
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very very high, that president's call. But I believe they
all right. So when I gave that explanation to our
president three days ago, UM, he elected to make phone
calls in the case of the four young men who
we lost in Niger at the earlier part of this month.
But then he said, you know what, how do you
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make these calls? If you're not in the family, if
you've never won the uniform, if you've never been in combat,
you can't even imagine how to make that call. I
think he very bravely does make those calls. The call
in question, uh, that he made yesterday, um day before yesterday. Now,
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who are to four family members? The four fallen? And
remember there's an next to kin designated by the individual.
If he's married, that's typically what the spouse. If he's
not married, that's typically the parents, unless the parents are divorced.
And then he selects one of them. If you didn't
get along with his parents, he'll sit, he'll select a sibling.
But the point is the phone call has made the
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um next akin only if the next kin agrees to
take the phone call. Sometimes they don't. So a pre
call has made President of United States, or the comment
on the Marine Corps, or someone would like to call.
Will you accept the call? And typically they all accept
the call. So he called four people the other day
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and expressed his condolence. Isn't the best way that he
could And he said to me, what do I say? Uh?
I said to him, sure, there's nothing you can do
to lighten the burden on these families. But let me
tell you what I tell him, And let me tell
you what my best friend, Joe Dunfard told me because
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he was my casualty officer. He said, kel Um, he
was doing exactly what he wanted to do. When he
was killed. He knew what he was getting in too
by joining them, that he knew what the possibilities were
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because we're at war. And when he died in the
four cases we're talking about Niger, my son's case in Afghanistan,
when he died, he was surrounded by the best men
on this earth, his friends. That's what the President tried
to say to to full families the other day. I
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was stunned when I came to work yesterday morning, in
broken hearted at what I saw remember of Congress doing.
Remember Congress who listened in on a phone call from
the President United States to a young wife and in
his way tried to express that opinion. There's a brave man,
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a fallen hero. He knew what he was getting himself
into because he enlisted. There's no reason on the list.
He enlisted, and he was where he wanted to be,
exactly where he wanted to be, with exactly the people
he wanted to be with when his life was taken.
That was the message, That was the message that was transmitted.
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It stuns me that a member of Congress would have
listened in on that conversation absolutely stuns me. And I thought,
at least that was sacred, you know, And as a
kid growing up, a lot of things were sacred in
our country. Women were sacred and looked upon with great honor.
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That's obviously not the case anymore, as we received from
recent cases. Life, the dignity of life was sacred. That's gone.
Religion that seems to be gone as well. Gold Star families,
I think that left in the convention over the summer.
But I just thought the selfless devotion that brings a
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man or woman to die in the battlefield, I just
thought that that might be sacred. And when I listened
to this woman and what she was saying and what
she was doing on TV, the only thing I could
do to collect my thoughts was to go and walk
among the finest men and women on this earth. And
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you can always find them because they're in ar Inton
National Cemetery and over there for an hour and a half,
walked among the stones, some of whom I put there
because they were doing what I told them to do
when they were killed. Um. I'll end with this in
in in October April rather of I still on active duty,
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and I went to the dedication of the new FBI
field office in Miami, and it was dedicated to two
men who were killed in a firefight in Miami with
against drug traffickers. In got my name mcgrogan in Duke H.
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Grogan almost retired, fifty three years old. Duke, I think
less than a year on the job. Anyways, they've got
a gunfight and they were killed. Three other FBI agents
were there, were wounded, now retired. So we go down.
Jim Comey get an absolutely brilliant memorial speech to those
fallen men in the in the to all of the
men and women of the FBI who sure of our
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country so well and law enforcements so well. Uh. There
were family members there. Some of the children that were
there were only three or four years old when their
dads were killed on that street in Miami. Dade Um.
Three of the men that survived the fight were there
and gave a rendition of how brave those men were
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and how they gave their lives. And a congresswoman stood
up and in the long tradition of empty barrels making
the most noise, stood up there and all of that
and talked about how she was instrumental in getting the
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funding for that building, and now she took care of
her constituents because she got the money. And she just
called up President Obama and on that phone call, he
gave the money, the twenty million dollars to build a building.
And she sat down and we were stunned, stunned that
she had done it, even for someone that is that
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empty a barrel. We were stunned. But you know, none
of us went to the press and criticized. None of
us stood up, and we're appalled. We just said, okay, fine,
So I still hope as you write your stories. And
I appealed to America that let's not let this maybe
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lost thing that tells sacred in our in our society,
a young man, young woman going out and giving his
or her life for our country. Let's let's try to
somehow keep that, keep that sacred. But it a rod
did a great deal yesterday by the selfish behavior of
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the member of Congress. So I'm willing to take a
question or two on this, on this topic. But let
me ask you this. Let me ask you this, is
anyone here a gold star parent, a sibling, does anyone
here know a gold star parent sibling? Okay, you get
the question. Thank you, General Kelly. First of all, you
have pretty deal respects and for five for everything that
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you've ever done. But if we could take this a
bit further, why were they in Niger? Unbelievable bowment by
General Kelly. You're the world. We have organized and led
the three quarters of a century to abandon the ideals
we have advanced around the globe, to refuse the obligations
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of international leadership and our duty to remain the last
best hope of Earth for the shake of some half baked,
spurious nationalism cooked up by people who would rather find
skate goats and soft problems. This is is as unpatriotic
as an attachment to any other tired dogma of the
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past that Americans consigned to the ash cheap, the ash
heap of history. No idea, what has happened to? Just
Senator John McKay news round up information overload our eight
nine for one, Shawn, if you want to be a
part of the program. We've been talking at length on
how Donald Trump is totally, almost single handedly now dismantling
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Obama's imperial presidency and the latest on the Iranian deal,
in the latest on the healthcare deal last week of
just the two biggest examples, Donald Trump and UH. And
then of course we've got Steve Bannon saying that what's
happening with what happened in Alabama is just the beginning,
declaring war on the establishment Rhino Republican party that has
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yet to get anything done. Mitch McConnell is literally ground
zero in this battle, in this fight, joining us now
as Senator Ram Paul. It was very instrumental in getting
the President to pay attention to this nineteen seventy four
law that exempted corporations that had businesses in different states.
It allowed these businesses to buy their healthcare across state
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lines and basically it was a cooperative and they weren't
subject to the burden of state law nor the subject
to the burdens of the A c A Obamacare rules
and regulations. And now people can form their own co
operations associations, and they have the ability to have the
same benefits that the corporations do. That means the buying
power that let's say restaurant workers would have, or radio
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workers would have, or any industry workers would have they
can now buy across state lines. Once this is implemented,
they can have the buying power, purchasing power of big groups.
They can buy across state lines, and they could even
get plans like, for example, a catastrophic plan, which is
illegal under Obama. The single best thing that could have
happened for Obamacare, considering the colossal failure of Republicans UH
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to keep their promise to repeal it and place it.
And Paul was instrumental in all of this. How are you,
senator quite good? Yeah? What the President did last week
to legalize individuals to join associations and bi across state lines,
it may be one of the biggest free market reforms
ever in the past generation. It also maybe the biggest
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thing that allow people to escape Obamacare, because people are
gonna be able to get out of those individual marketplaces,
out of these Obamacare plans, and they're gonna be able
to get the kind of adjurance. You're right, the big
corporations have. This is what Pepsi has, it's what Coca
Cola has, it's what am Gen, Amazon, Microsoft, These big
corporations offer a risk of plans. So what we're doing
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is saying, hey, the individual is going to be able
to get a risk of plans now, and through their size,
they should be able to negotiate lower rates. But also
through their size, they should be able to negotiate good terms,
meaning good insurance. Well, I would think that this would
allow a lot of the things that you will. You
and I have talked about real solutions for years, and
I think you're one of like two senators and then
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the Freedom Caucus members that actually discuss things that would work,
like healthcare savings accounts, like cooperatives. I mean, I think
you and I have been the biggest supporters of healthcare
cooperatives because they actually work, and you can couple those
cooperatives with some type of catastrophic insurance if you have
an accident, a bad accident, or get a heart attack,
or get cancer. And about this, Yeah, and the great
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thing about this is doesn't cost any federal money. The
President mentioned this also. This isn't a big federal program
like Lindsay Graham's you know, block grant thing that costs
a trillion dollars in grants. This CAUs zero. This just
lets you have the freedom to form associations and buy
insurance and it costs zero taxpayer money. Well, I like
the idea for all of those reasons, but we still
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really are just threading a needle here because Obamacare is
still in place, and if Donald Trump is president even
eight years, that means the next person in is gonna
undo what the president did here, and then we would
be back with Obamacare. No. Yeah, but the problem is
we had six Senators who voted to repeal it in
I brought up the exact vote this time. I brought it.
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I made them vote on the exact same vote agame
and and the exact same bill, and it would have
revealed that repealed the employer mandate, the individual mandate, would
have repealed all of the taxes, would have been a
trillion dollar tax cut as well. We could have done
it with just Republicans, but we lost Republicans who were
for it and then got weak need and voted against it.
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So this is a real problem when we're struggling as
a Republican party trying to determine who we are anymore.
We've got a budget battle going on, and I told
the President that I want to help the president on
the budget, and I said I will vote for the
budget as long as the spending doesn't exceed the caps.
But guess who's asking to exceed the caps McCain. McCain
and Lindsey Graham, both of them are insisting that we
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exceed the caps and that we spend money that is
above the caps that we put in place. And so
we have conservative Republicans saying, no, no, the budget should
should stay within the spending cap. But then you have
John McCay and Lindsay Graham saying, oh no, no, we
want to spend above the caps, and we won't vote
for any budget unless it spends above the caps. Well,
I've got to understand that you said something that I've
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been saying now for a while, and that is the
Republican Party does not have an identity any longer. They
really don't have an identity. Well, there's a fake identity.
There's the identity that every Congressman, every Senator goes home on.
The Republicans decide and they say, we absolutely need entitlement
reform and it's going to be in the budget ento reform,
but mark my words, they will not do it. They
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will not introduce any bills that will reform entitlements because
they're afraid of their own shadow. The actual budget has
like six trillion dollars worth of savings on on entitlements,
but it's a fiction. They will not do it. They're
savings for next year. And so this week, when we
get to the budget, I will introduce an amendment that
says the instructions for the budget should allow us to
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do entitlement reform. And you watch this vote. It's gonna
be interesting to watch the Republicans squirm because they'll all
say their full it. But I promise you they'll vote
against the amendment. They will not vote to allow budget
reconciliation to be used for So then I you sound
like me, I mean, because I agree with you about
Lindsey Graham. I agree with you about John mccainn I
actually retweeted you last night. I bet you're not even
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aware of it, aren't you? Well? I am, but I
am you coming today, I'm I'm upset today. I'm mad.
I'm mad at Republicans who really don't believe they'll join
the club because I've been saying this, shouting this on
TV and radio for months and months. They suck and
they have no identity, and they don't work, and they
have no vision for the future. Of this country. I mean,
it's pathetic. The Republican party identity, it's a false identity.
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They project that they are the tourment reform. They're lying,
They're lying. They when they said repeal and replaced, there
were a hundred Republicans in the House that never had
any intention. Those seven senators that voted to repeal in
and you all you needed them to do is vote
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with the same bill in twenty six team when it
would have happened, and they didn't do it. So they
were lying to the American people. Isn't that true? It's NonStop.
This goes on you you it just every day. It's
it's one more thing. But I promise you they're going
to vote for a budget that says they'll do entitlement reform,
but I'm going to force an amendment vote. And on
the amendment, I will say, okay, let's have instructions in
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the bill as to how we could do entitlement reform
with a simple majority through budget reconciliation, and I guarantee
they'll all vote no. We're also going to do it
on Obamacare. I'm gonna insist that they revisit Obamacare on
the budget and I'm gonna say, let's put instructions in
there that says that we can still repeal Obamacare. I'm
guessing that most of the Republican leadership will vote against
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me on both of those amendments. Well, I'm guessing you're
probably right. So now we're stuck with what now. The
President signaled today that he might be willing to cut
a bipartisan deal to stabilize Obamacare because it's spiraling out
of control. He called it a quote short term solution. Uh,
we don't have to worry about this transition into what
you encouraged him to do. And he spoke for you know,
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minutes after he met with Lamar Alexander and Patty Murray.
And those are not two people I have any confidence in.
And I'm gonna tell you the worst of them all
is is your fellow Kentucky Senator Mitch McConnell, who can't
get a darn thing done. We shouldn't bail out Obamacare.
I won't vote to bail out Obamacare. We shouldn't give
the insurance companies any more money. What should happen is
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the people who are trapped in the individual market should
be allowed to leave, should be allowed to get group
insurance through these health associations. We should do everything possible
to speed it up. And I can tell you I
was with the President for you know, a good while
the other day, and the President said he's gonna try
to speed this up. He wants people to as soon
as possible, be allowed to leave these individual markets, these
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Obamacare markets. He wants them to get group insurance cross
state lines. And he's telling his people to expedite this
and do it as fast as they possibly can. Let
me play your fellow Kentucky Senator Mitch McConnell talking about
excessive expectations, because I don't think they were excessive expecting
repealing and replacing Obamacare. And I don't think it's excessive
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to get tax reform that we need in this country
to get to jump start the economy and incentivize businesses
to invest in factories and manufacturing centers and energy so
that we can get the forgotten men and women in
poverty on food stamps and out of the labor force,
you know, back climbing the trajectory to success. Here's what
he said. But I know everybody's saying there have done anything,
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which I find extremely and I want to tell you
why the commersce goes on for two years. And part
of the reason I think that the storyline is that
we haven't done much is because in part of the
President and others have set these early timelines about things
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need to be done by a certain point. Now our
new president. Of course, I've been in a slot of
work before, and I think that excessive in expectations about
how quickly things happen in the democratic process. And so
part of the reason I think people feel like we're
under underperforming is because too many kind of artificial deadlines
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unrelated to the reality of the complexity uh legislator may
not have been fully understood. In of course, our political
adversaries would be loves love to say that anytime. So
what I'm asking of you is to judge this converse
when it finishes. How much have we done to make
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America competitive again and to grow again? And that's part
of American making American great again, which is what the
President talks about so much, artificial deadlines, complexity of legislation,
excessive expectations. The President hasn't been in this line of
work before. Now there was a kumbayam between the President
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and Minch McConnell, I don't believe it for a second.
Rampaul I couldn't disagree more on that this as an
artificial deadline. We've had six years. We voted previously to
repeal it. What has to happen is voters in the
states of the six or seven senators who changed their
vote need to let their people know loud and clear,
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go back and do what you promised. You promised to
repeal it. We promised to repeal it. We didn't ever
promise that we were going to replace it with Obamacare Light.
We promised to repeal the damn thing. We ought to
vote and I'm going to continue to force them to
vote as many times as I possibly can on repealing
the thing. But they're not going to do it. But
they're not gonna do it. I mean that's perhaps it
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sends it, but perhaps it sends a message back to
their voters that their voters need to reassess their choices.
I want to go back to this issue with John McCain,
who took a job at the President when he criticized
half baked Uh, you know, nationalism of the President, and
you know you went after of John mccannon thought rightly
so on this. You know, after what happened in Vietnam,
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we lost fifty eight thousand Americans. Then through the prism
of politics, we stopped fighting. We basically pull out after
so many people died. We did the same thing in Iraq,
five thousand people dead. We pull out. If we don't
have any intention to fight and win wars, why are
we fighting them anymore? And I think this is really
the problem. This is where John McCain's had it completely wrong.
He's been he's wanted to be involved. If he had
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his way, we'd be in twelve different wars right now,
in twelve different countries, but we wouldn't declare any of them.
One of the ways that our founding fathers said that
we would unify and that we would rally around the
flag is that we would vote as a body in Congress,
and we just wouldn't go to war unless we voted
in Congress. George Bush actually, even though I disagreed with
the Iraq war, he did come and he voted. We
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voted on the Iraq war. I would have voted with
him on the Afghanistan war. Because there's people harbored, those
who attacked us. So but both times he came to
Congress and voted. Since then we don't vote. We're just
going on decade after decade. And McCain and Lindsey Graham
are the chief architects of these wars. They have never
met a war. They don't like they were everywhere all
the time agitating for war. They're bankrupting the country. And
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yet we fight in a half pass way and we
are policing and we become policemen. Look, I've talked to
our navy seals. These these are some some some great guys.
And when you talk to them, they say, will do
anything that you need us to do anywhere around the world, anytime.
But the mistake comes when you ask us to go
plant the flag and create countries for you. Because we're
not policeman. We don't want to be policemen, and we
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don't want to be into nation building. But that's John
McCain Lindsay Graham building wars everywhere. Well, I'm gonna tell
you something. I mean, if we're not gonna fight wars
with any intention of winning them, then nuts not put
these guys in harm's way to begin with. And what
happens every time. Now we fight, we begin a conflict
which we can win, but we we we literally put
handcuffs on our soldiers rules of engagement. They can't fight back.
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And number two, I mean we don't have the stomach
politically to see it through. And all those people to
put us in those positions are running for the hills
if it becomes politically unviable. In their eyes, It's all
about how it affects them. It's not about what the
right thing to do is well, and I think we
have to be You're right, we have to go in
and when we do go to war, it should be rare,
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and when we do go to war, we should go
to win. For then we really do have to come
home to tell you we've been in Afghanistan for fifteen
years now. It is nothing more than nation building. If
they will not stand up and fight for their country,
after we've given them billions of dollars of of weapons
and uniforms and you name it, we've given it to them.
And if they can't stand up and fight for their country,
they're never gonna have one. So it's sort of a
little bit like welfare. You can't give people welfare forever
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because it's SAPs their incentive. It's the same way with
supporting foreign countries. They have to eventually stand up and
fight for themselves. In in Afghanistan, it is time Obama
put a hundred thousand troops in there, and you know,
the Taliban slink away, but they go and they wait
and they wait. They will always wait. They will wait
for a thousand years. The people who live there need
to stand up and fight the Taliban if they're going
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to fight them. But we can't do their business forever.
I like Ram Paul mad, you should stay mad more
often you're You're definitely more effective when you're piste off.
But by the way, my staff says, I do a
better show when I'm piste off. All right, thank you
for being with us on Warwork. Renowned entertainer performer of
all time joins us right now. Michael Francis is with us.
He plays the pastor in the movie Let There Be
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Like Kevin Sorbo is the main star in the movie,
and he's the horrible person that makes a transformation. UM,
welcome all of you to the to the program deon Warwork.
I've been a fan of yours since I was young.
Your voice is amazing. You being in this project has
added so much to it. And I can't tell you
how beautiful that song is. That's amazing. Could you tell
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us about the song? Yeah? How are I'm good? Except
my voice is a little shot from screaming last night
at this biggest strong concert anyway. Uh y. Written by
my son, Damon Elliott, and his vision was to literally
people know that there there is a solution. And as
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it turns out, he called me his money. I need
a voice, okay, and I did my part on it.
But he also recruited some most incredible talents to participate
as well. You're here Gladys Knight, who is just over
the moon. As far as I'm concerned with what he
gave to the project, the unladey maya really Ray Cyrus.
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I mean, he just went all out to get people
who had same mindset was regards to what the film
is about, his his vision as when he thought the
song represented So I couldn't that be proud of being
a part of this project, and more proud of the
fact that my baby came up with the idea. Well,
he has a beautiful heart obviously if he put that together.
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I mean the words in that song really touch people. Kevin,
let me go to you. I never thought i'd or
dreamed i'd really be in the music business. And I
remember watching your hit movie God's Not and I remember
interviewing you at the time and I said, you know,
if there's ever a project, maybe we can do one together.
And you and Sam, your wife, and Dan Gordon came
to my office one day. I don't think we talked
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more than fifteen twenty minutes, and you told me the
whole story of Let There Be Light, and I just
fell in love with the story, and and we've just
been working on the project ever since. I mean, it's
an amazing the end product. It's one of the things
I'm most proud of in my entire career because I
think this is a movie that needed to be made.
It's contemporary, it touches people's hearts. It's everything that I
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think Hollywood doesn't do. It's it's about real issues, real
life crisis and conflict that people have, and it also
offers a good message for people that I think is
often ignored out of Hollywood. So you know, I was
only too honored to join with you to do it,
and um from your end. You guys did a fabulous job.
Well thank you. It is interesting on hoping came together
because you know, my wife Sam came up the idea.
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She started writing the scripts. She brought in Dan Gordon,
who was a dear friend. And people may know Dan
or may not know Alim. He's one of the top
writers on Hollywood. He wrote The Hurricane with Denzel Washington
World Wider but Kevin Costner. But anyway, Sam and got
together Benesses script. I read the script. Three days later.
You called me and said, Hey, I'm ready to do this.
I'm gonna do something. You guys have anything, and my
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wife says, that's my script. We flew up to New York.
Dan Gordon did the pitching and in that's twenty minutes
that Dan talked, you didn't interrupt them once. I thought
we should have done the documentary on that because I
thought that was pretty amazing. You were spell bound by
the script and the story that he has to tell. Listen,
I've I've learned that there's some of the movie business.
I don't like the business part of it, but what
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you guys have created, the artistic part of it. You know,
I have now shown this to over two hundred people.
I've done my own focus groups, and you actually have
up on your website. You know, some testimonials of some
airings that we've had focus groups with people, and it's unbelievable.
Nine percent of people that see this movie cry. And
you start out as a very conflicted individual that hates God,
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abording God, and then we find out the reason why.
And and you're living a life that really you shouldn't
be living, and you left your family, and you're drinking
too much and you're doing drugs, and and we find
out the reason you wrote aboording God um and you
had lost a son at nine years old, and the
transformation is amazing. Part of that transformation comes when you
meet with Michael Francis, who has one of the most
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incredible life stories of anybody because he is a real
life pastor. Michael, Welcome to the program. And you grew
up the son of a notorious under boss and the
Colombo crime family, and your own father, at one point
in your life, signed off on a hit on you,
and you found yourself in isolation in prison and your
life changed. Yes, John, it's good to be back on again.
And I just want to mention really something really quick,
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Dion Walwich. She doesn't remember, I'm sure, but she played
at my prom. My dad actually broughtbanet at night. We
all had a great time. Yeah, it was weird, had
a good time. It was great. It was terrific. Well, yes,
I was. I was very attracted to the script. I'm
really into apologetics. I love Kevin and I'll be honestly,
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I never acted before. They had to twist my aunt
to do it because I've been myself and documentaries, but
I said, listen, I'll do it as long as I
don't ruin the film. You know, I was playing myself,
so it was. It was pretty easy and a great
cast and great crew, and I think it's a wonderful story.
I think people are really going to be touched by
Its very entertaining, very well. But you're also a pastor
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in real life. Now, how long have you been a pastor? Well, no,
I'm not a pastor, Sean. I go out, you know,
throughout the world and share my testimony, so I mean,
I'm not ordained or anything like that, which I think,
you know, it could be a benefit because you know,
I tell people, I'm just you. You know, we all
have a story to tell Mine might be a little
bit more dramatic, but at the end of the day,
you know, it's a story about Christ, mercy and grace
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in my life. And there's no doubt in my mind
that He saved my life. He put a woman in
my life that led me to Christ, and over the
past twenty years, had so many challenges and struggles, but
He got me through all of it. And you know,
I'm just happy to tell the story whenever I can,
you know, Kevin, one of the other reasons I wanted
to be a part of the project besides the great story.
And once we agreed to do the film, once I
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took on my executive producer role, I'm a big believer
you let people do their job. And you know, you
told me where you're gonna be filming, You told me
what the schedule you're gonna be on. We went over
the script, we did everything that was supposed to do,
and then when I started getting the first pictures and
first cuts, I began to say, this is something magical
happening here. And I don't know if you've had the
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same experience, but everybody I've shown the film to, they
all cry and it touches people deeply. That doesn't happen
enough when I go to the movies. I like to
be moved and touched and vote and inspired and so
on and so forth. It's a movie about redemption, it's
move about faith, it's movie about hope. And you know,
we've been doing quite a two screens getting testimonials. Were
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just in Washington, d C. Last week at the Value
Voter Summit there and it was amazing the responses from
people coming out. Sam was doing the testimonials on camera.
I was talking to people and and questions and uh,
just just you know, answer me anything that to say.
But there was a group of teenagers that walked out
and they're about fifteen, sixteen years old, and one of
the boys in that group, I over him say that
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is the best movie I've ever seen. And to get
that from a teenage kid. What all we want to
do is go see visual effect movies that you don't
care about character development, you don't care about what happens
to people. You see thousands of people dyeing these smash
him up movies. This is a movie that is real
life and it's going to touch people. It's gonna there's
something for everybody in this movie. They'll be able to
relate to it, They'll be able to take something from it.
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And I don't want to preach the choir with this movie,
you know, I want I want atheists to go on
agnostics to go. I want people to get up there
and look at this movie with an open mind and
open heart and come away with what they come away with,
because I know it's going to touch them. I just
gotta tell you, it's uh. It's been an honor to
do this project with you. It opens one week from today.
We have a special airing of it at Trinity Life
Center that I'm going to be out on the road
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this week and I'm going to be in Dallas for
two church services with Dr Robert Jeffers at his church
and I'm ex at about that. That That was gonna go
see my buddy Darryl Scott who is in Cleveland. But anyway,
let there be light Movie dot Com and also Hannity
dot Com for theaters. Dion Warwick, I've always loved your work.
God bless you, Thank you and your your send an
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amazing job. Michael. It's great to talk to you again.
And Kevin will have you on TV. Next week. We
look forward to that too, Thank you, Thank you. So
we have a lot of news as it relates to
the Clinton's and the Democrats and money that they got
from Harvey Weinstein. I mean it is pretty the amount
of money we're talking about is pretty insane. And uh. Anyway,
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so we have some new statistics out here, and some
of them are pretty shocking. And one of them, for example,
is that all the money that was given by Weinstein
to the d n C, they're keeping of the money,
the Clinton Foundation is keeping two d and fifty thousand
dollars of the money. You know, now Weinstein questions of
Bill and Hillary and Chelsea on the run, and Hillary
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actually made some comments this weekend and of me playing
for you. You are a beacon of feminism, you talk
for women's rights. You knew Harvey Weinstein well and what stage,
and you must have known the room is about him.
I'm not No, I did not. I did not know
what everyone in your room is about him. Not specific cases,
but noone knew that Harvey Weinstein, apparently in his circle,
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was a little bit you know. Well, all I can
tell you is that I did not hear those things. Look,
we just elected a person who admitted sexual assault to
the presidency. So there's a lot of other issues that
are swirling around these kinds of behaviors that need to
be addressed, and I think it's important that we stay
focused and shine a bright spotlight and try to get
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people to understand how damaging this is and the women
coming forward is the only way that that story will
be told. Is this kind of behavior cannot be tolerated anywhere,
and this depends upon women coming forward, having the courage
to come forward. And yet in your book, the three
women brought on to stage by Trump attack your husband,
and you kind of dismissed them it was not the
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right thing to do. Are you sure about that? Well, yes,
because that had all been litigated. I mean, that was
the subject of a huge, you know, investigation, as you
might recall in the late nineties, and uh, there were
conclusions drawn and that was clearly in the past. But
it is something that has to be taken seriously, as
I say, for everyone, not just for those in entertainment
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right now, Oh, really were they litigated? Not really? In
the k Yeah, you did have to pay Paula Jones
eighty dollars, but Hillary was part of the effort. And
now we find out Harvey Weinstein helped bankroll the Clinton
Lewinsky defense at the time. And remember the treatment of
Kathleen Willie and Jennifer Flowers, and and Paula Jones and
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Juanita Broderick. Really just apply all of those words to
her husband who was in the White House, and she
knew it. She defended him to the nth degree and
said and and they smeared and slandered every one of
those women. And then of course she takes millions and
millions of dollars from countries where women are told how
to dress, they can't drive, they can't vote, that can't travel,
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that marital rape is not a crime in these countries,
and even domestic abuse is not a crime in these countries,
where gays and lesbians are often killed just for being
who they are. And then of course you have you know,
Christians and Jews. You can't build the temple in Saudi Arabia,
you can't build Christian church in Saudi Arabia. And she
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took tens of millions of dollars from those countries, and
they bought her silence because she doesn't say a word
about it. What a phony anyway. Joining us now is
Tracy mel Cure is with us. She's an actress entertainer
best known for her roles on One Life to Live,
The Bold, Beautiful, and Sunset Beach. Author of the book
Breaking the Perfect ten Kaya Jones, formerly with the Pussycat Dolls,
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who has a great single out now by the way
here to discuss the on going allegations of Weinstein. And
she was quoted over the Weekend as saying that when
she was working and singing for the Pussycat Dolls, they
were basically hired prostitutes who are owned and controlled by
those with the money. Kyo, welcome to the program. Hi, thanks,
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So what do you mean? So you're part of a
very successful band, the Pussycat Dolls. Okay, what do you eat?
What do you mean? It was like a prostitution ring.
When I say that, what I mean is that prostitution
is accepting money for sects. And what literally what I
meant was weird girls that wanted to sing, just like
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many girls in this business want to sing or they
want to act. And we're proposition and in order to
move forward in your career, you're given an ultimatum or
an opportunity to sleep in an executive or be pushed
onto somebody in a high platform in this business, That's
exactly what I meant. Um, whether it's a job or
you're taking cash, what is the difference? Prostitution is prostitution?
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Well and so, but would you did you ever feel
you were forced to sleep with people if you wanted
it a career to move forward? And I chose not to,
which is why I've had to do it independently. This
whole road has been a hard journey of struggling, not
having funding, having to do it on my own, creating
my own work, working with producers, finding them on my own.
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I walked away from the Pussychedulets because I was not
willing to outsleep my bandmates. They all need to come forward.
They all need to come forward. They all knew. And
our dead mother, who controlled us, she knew too. Everybody did.
That is so sad. Have you run into Have you
run into good people that that like your talent, your voice,
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your performances and and just are in it because they
like what you do? Oh? Of course you know, Yes,
there are good people in this business. It's hard to
find them. Um, most people that have had to turn
a blind eye or walk away from situation. You know,
I've come into contact with now. I think it's a
beautiful time right now. There's a movement in this country
of a lot of love and God and you can
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feel the energy of positive affirmation coming forward, which is
why all of these people are being exposed because they're
downright evil what they do to young women and to
young men. So this is in the music business, the
modeling business, the television business, and the movie business. It's everywhere.
With Oh, it's everywhere, and that's why you're seeing it
all with this colluding with you know, Congress and people
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in government because it literally you know, look at the
Hillary Kington campaign. It's all of these celebrities. But she
had no idea. Come on, now, everybody is friends with
each other, you know, you utilize celebrities to get your
narrative out because they have a poll or they have
a focus. So everybody's friends with each other, and they
of course they know. Wow. Now, Tracy, you have a
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heartbreaking story in your experience as an actress. Let me
play in exchange. It's a little hard to hear of
you being on Larry King Live and what you said
in this interview, this is back in two thousand and five.
Listen to this. My sister and I had met a
couple of guys on an airplane and we went to
this They invited us back to their apartment or something
after yeah, and I didn't even really remember what or
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where if it was. It's all foggy at this point.
How we got in this situation with these guys that
we just met them and they invited us back to
their apartment. There was two guys and and my sister
and we went with them, and they it was, you know,
when to drink in tequila like this big waddy bag.
I'm not proud of that. But the next thing I knew,
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and I really believe that that sounds sort of it
didn't we drug drug or something in the pot was
raised or something. Because the feeling was so bizarre, it
was I thought like I passed out. I thought I
was gonna pass up the past all And I wake
up in a bedroom with the guy and he's raping me,
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but I am physically unable to speak to happened to
move my body in anyway? And I come, what's going on?
I guess the same reason most people don't. It's it's
the shame, the shame that like, well, while was all
there and when I was smoking, potent, drinking, take here,
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I just attraction. Yeah, I was attracted from and I
was what was I thank him and I felt like
I had just heard it in a sense and really
it's just that well actually know it just free the
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sermented my belief. But you know, in your physical body
and your feelings just need to be suppressed very see.
So you were raped in this incident, and it sounds
like what was alleged with Bill Cosby that so they
drugged you and you're half you know, dazed and confused,
and the next thing you know, you wake up and
somebody's raping you when you're in a bedroom that you
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don't even know how you got there exactly. And it's
it's horrible bad. When I listened back to that, you know,
because you grow up and you understand more and everything,
and it's like, I it's just so sad because I
think so many of these women and I don't know
Kayak can relate, but I mean I had so many
issues from my childhood where I didn't feel like I
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had self worth and I just wanted to matter. I
wanted to be important, and I realized at a very
young age as a woman, you are never more valuable
than when you're naked, and you never have as much
of that male attention that you know, like I was
crazy from father figures you you number one to a
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guy when you're standing in front of him naked, And
that was like the payoff for me was like nothing
is going to distract this guy from me. Right now,
I matter, And that's what I craved. That's the I'm
listening here as a guy, and what you know, and
I have sisters and I have a daughter, and that
this is a father's worst nightmare would be both dis
riving a quick break right back will continue right as
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we continue with Tracy mel Cure and Kaya Jones, who
have experienced a lot of what we've been discussing regarding
Harvey Weinstein. And it's more common than anybody knows. This
is the casting couch syndrome. Is that they bring it
in and let's say you have a naturally talented ability
to sing, like Kaya or or Tracy, you had a
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natural ability to be an actress, and so you brought
in and you'r you put on the casting couch and
immediately you begin to realize that, oh, you can get
the job, you'll get the gig, but there's a quid
pro quo associated with that. How often did you both
experience that? It was never quite direct like that, but
it was you know that your connections in the industry
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are how it works. You know who you know? Right, Um,
So it was just for me. I wanted to associate
with them. And the first time was I was out
at a club in Hollywood with a girlfriend and the
guy came up to us and he's like, you're too
pretty to wait in line. You guys want to get
into the club. I can get you in and we're
like yeah, sure. Well, next thing, you know, we're sitting
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next to a very well known Hollywood producer and you know,
we're kind of schmoozed the whole night. And I was
with my girlfriend, but the guy gave me his card
at the end and he's like, I can get you
into a lot of other places and meet a lot
of people. And I was like, oh wow, okay, And
you know, I was like, is he like a manager?
And he kind of like acted like he was the manager,
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but he was more of a handler. And it was like, hey,
oh hey, so we're going to this restaurant meet us,
and that's how it started. And the next thing you know,
you're back at their house, you and a group, and
you're all like having a good time. Yeah, oh yeah.
You know, you're by yourself with two executives and one
of the girls from the group, and you're at a house,
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you know, in Malibu, and you're like, what are we
doing here? And where are their wives? And where is
the rest of the girls. I wanted to just say,
I at somebody who, at twelve years old, was the
first time I was assaulted. It was an eighteen year
old boy, had an older sister, she had friends over.
They were all and this guy wandered off into where
I was watching TV and attempted to rape me, and I, um,
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somebody came in at the very last second. Um, And
I just I think it's really important to differentiate the
different like sexual assault. I feel like it's such a
broad term and it's kind of thrown around, almost like
there used to be a joke I heard where what's
the difference between sexual assault and flirting? It's if he's cute.
And I think it's important because some people I hear.
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Now everybody's like, oh, I've been assaulted, and there stories
are pretty mild in my you know what I mean.
And I don't mean to discredit them, but you're talking
about being a victim of real assault, real rape, and
really dangerous situations. Um, it's so sad to hear this.
It breaks my heart and it's just as it's painful
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to hear it, and it's I can only imagine the
pain and the trauma you live with. I don't guess
that you really ever get over trauma like this. Ya,
do you get I mean, I know you're tough, but
do you ever get over I couldn't imagine it. No,
I don't think. I don't think that you can ever
get over being violated or mistreated in any circumstance. A
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lot of my mental state and what I feel that
I have had to, you know, overcome, is the mental
and emotional abuse that came along with the sexual advances.
You know, having to try and get through certain seeds
that are planted in your mind and you allow them
to grow, but they are planted, and they're planted by
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people in powerful positions that are holding your dreams, and
so you in some way think equates like if I
don't tell then you know, loose lips thing ships, then
I can continue in this company or business and you
and you play on those narratives where I'm finally speaking
out because I, you know, saw what Roads came out
and said, I've been speaking out since two thousand and five,
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so disgusting. I mean, Tracy, I want to get your
your last thoughts on this, and I disagree with kaya.
I think you can get over it. I took a
big part for me getting over it, with taking responsibility
for my part in it. I wait, why are you
blaming yourself though? I mean, I don't know if somebody
somebody blaming myself, but just starting to change how I
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engage and putting myself in those positions. Right, and I
became a Christian, I felt all of that could be
washed away. I put all my faith and my hope
and everything in God now. And yeah, when I talk
about it, I mean I had to call my best
friend and cry on the phone with her before I
could do this interview. Um, and there's still paying there.
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But I feel like you're not a forever victim, you know. Um,
but there's still there's still there's still a raw nerve here.
I mean I hear it in your voice. I've known
you for a while, and yeah, I mean I hear
I hear trauma. I hear I just want to give hope.
I don't want to be like, oh my gosh, you know,
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I just I'm not a victim card type person, and
I just really want if there are girls listening, that
there is hope, that it's not like forever I have.
I've been married for eighteen years. Can I just add
one thing to this, There are good people out there,
and there is a lesson for girls. Never put what
you want above what is right for you. In other words, yeah,
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maybe you want to music career, modeling career, movie career,
TV career, but if you're not going to be working
with good people, don't sell your soul for any opportunity,
because it's not worth it. Thank you both for I
know it's painful to share your story, but it brings
to life exactly what we're talking about and what so
many women have gone through, and how this is so institutional.
As I said it last week, this is the tip
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of the iceberg. Alright, Tracy, we appreciate you being with
us same Kaya. We'll see both on TV tonight.
Let not your heart be troubled. You are listening to
the Sean Hannity Radio Show podcast. General Kelly just took
to the podium and I want to play it in full.
This will be a third topic today and tonight. I
want you to listen to what he had to say
about those that dare politicize the death of a soldier.
And that means all of you fake news people on CNN, NBC,
(00:24):
mainstream media, you discussed me. All of you listen. Uh,
most Americans don't know what happens when we lose one
of our soldier, Sailors, m and Marines, coast Guards been
in combat. So let me tell you what happens. Their
buddies wrap them up in whatever passes as a shroud,
(00:44):
puts him on a helicopter as a routine, and sends
them home. Uh. Their first stop along the way is
when they're packed an ice, uh typically at the at
the air head. And then they've flown to using Europe
where they're then packed an ice again in flowing to
(01:05):
Dover fourth Space where Dover takes care of the remains
and bombs them meticulously, dresses them in their uniform with
the with the metals that they've earned the emblems of
their service, and then puts them on another airplane linked
up with a casualty officer escort that takes them home.
(01:29):
A very very good movie to watch if you haven't
ever seen it, is Taking Chance, where this is done
in a movie HBO setting Chance Phelps was killed under
my command right next to me, and it's worth seeing
that if you've never seen it. So that's the process. Well,
that's happening. A casualty officer typically goes to the home
(01:51):
very early in the morning and waits for the first
lights to come on, and then he knocks on the door.
Typically the mom and dad will answer wife, and if
there is a wife, this is happening in two different places.
If the parents are divorced, three different places, and the
casually casualty officer uh proceeds to break the heart of
(02:13):
a family member and stays with that family until UH,
well for a long long time, even after the internment.
So that's what happens. Who are these young men and women.
They are the best one percent this country produces. Most
of you, as Americans don't know them. Many of you
(02:34):
don't know anyone who knows any of one of them,
but they are the very best country produces, and they
volunteered to protect our country when there's nothing in our
country anymore. That seems to suggest that self such service
to the nation is not only appropriate but required. So
that's all right. Um. Who writes letters to the families?
(02:59):
Typically a company commander in my case is a marine
the company commander, Britannic command of regimental commander, Division commander,
Secretary of Defense, typically the service chief comment on the
Marine corps, and the president typically writes a letter. Typically,
the only phone calls the family receives are the most
important phone calls they can imagine, and that is from
their buddies. In my case, hours after my son was killed,
(03:21):
his friends were calling us from Afghanistan telling us what
a great guy was. Those are the only phone calls
that really matter. And yeah, the the letters count to
a degree, but there's not much that really can take
the edge off where the family members going through. So Um.
(03:44):
Some presidents have elected to call. All presidents, I believe,
have elected to send letters. Um. If you elect to
call a family like this, it is about the most
difficult thing you could imagine. There's no perfect way to
make that phone call. Ah. When I took this job,
UH and talked to President UH Trump about how to
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do it. My first recommendation was he not do it
because it's not the phone call that parents, family members
are looking forward to. It's nice to do in my opinion.
In any event, Uh. He asked me about previous presidents,
and I said, I can tell you that President Obama,
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who was my commander in chief when I was on
active duty, did not call my family. That was not
a criticism. That was just to simply say, I don't
believe President Obama called. That's not a negative thing. I
don't believe President Bush called in all cases. UM, I
don't believe any president, particularly when the casualty rates are
(04:52):
very very high, that president's call. But I believe they
all right. So when I gave that explanation to our
president three days ago, UM, he elected to make phone
calls in the case of the four young men who
we lost in Niger at the earlier part of this month.
But then he said, you know what, how do you
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make these calls? If you're not in the family, if
you've never won the uniform, if you've never been in combat,
you can't even imagine how to make that call. I
think he very bravely does make those calls. The call
in question, uh, that he made yesterday, um day before yesterday. Now,
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who are to four family members? The four fallen? And
remember there's an next to kin designated by the individual.
If he's married, that's typically what the spouse. If he's
not married, that's typically the parents, unless the parents are divorced.
And then he selects one of them. If you didn't
get along with his parents, he'll sit, he'll select a sibling.
But the point is the phone call has made the
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um next akin only if the next kin agrees to
take the phone call. Sometimes they don't. So a pre
call has made President of United States, or the comment
on the Marine Corps, or someone would like to call.
Will you accept the call? And typically they all accept
the call. So he called four people the other day
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and expressed his condolence. Isn't the best way that he
could And he said to me, what do I say? Uh?
I said to him, sure, there's nothing you can do
to lighten the burden on these families. But let me
tell you what I tell him, And let me tell
you what my best friend, Joe Dunfard told me because
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he was my casualty officer. He said, kel Um, he
was doing exactly what he wanted to do. When he
was killed. He knew what he was getting in too
by joining them, that he knew what the possibilities were
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because we're at war. And when he died in the
four cases we're talking about Niger, my son's case in Afghanistan,
when he died, he was surrounded by the best men
on this earth, his friends. That's what the President tried
to say to to full families the other day. I
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was stunned when I came to work yesterday morning, in
broken hearted at what I saw remember of Congress doing.
Remember Congress who listened in on a phone call from
the President United States to a young wife and in
his way tried to express that opinion. There's a brave man,
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a fallen hero. He knew what he was getting himself
into because he enlisted. There's no reason on the list.
He enlisted, and he was where he wanted to be,
exactly where he wanted to be, with exactly the people
he wanted to be with when his life was taken.
That was the message, That was the message that was transmitted.
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It stuns me that a member of Congress would have
listened in on that conversation absolutely stuns me. And I thought,
at least that was sacred, you know, And as a
kid growing up, a lot of things were sacred in
our country. Women were sacred and looked upon with great honor.
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That's obviously not the case anymore, as we received from
recent cases. Life, the dignity of life was sacred. That's gone.
Religion that seems to be gone as well. Gold Star families,
I think that left in the convention over the summer.
But I just thought the selfless devotion that brings a
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man or woman to die in the battlefield, I just
thought that that might be sacred. And when I listened
to this woman and what she was saying and what
she was doing on TV, the only thing I could
do to collect my thoughts was to go and walk
among the finest men and women on this earth. And
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you can always find them because they're in ar Inton
National Cemetery and over there for an hour and a half,
walked among the stones, some of whom I put there
because they were doing what I told them to do
when they were killed. Um. I'll end with this in
in in October April rather of I still on active duty,
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and I went to the dedication of the new FBI
field office in Miami, and it was dedicated to two
men who were killed in a firefight in Miami with
against drug traffickers. In got my name mcgrogan in Duke H.
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Grogan almost retired, fifty three years old. Duke, I think
less than a year on the job. Anyways, they've got
a gunfight and they were killed. Three other FBI agents
were there, were wounded, now retired. So we go down.
Jim Comey get an absolutely brilliant memorial speech to those
fallen men in the in the to all of the
men and women of the FBI who sure of our
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country so well and law enforcements so well. Uh. There
were family members there. Some of the children that were
there were only three or four years old when their
dads were killed on that street in Miami. Dade Um.
Three of the men that survived the fight were there
and gave a rendition of how brave those men were
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and how they gave their lives. And a congresswoman stood
up and in the long tradition of empty barrels making
the most noise, stood up there and all of that
and talked about how she was instrumental in getting the
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funding for that building, and now she took care of
her constituents because she got the money. And she just
called up President Obama and on that phone call, he
gave the money, the twenty million dollars to build a building.
And she sat down and we were stunned, stunned that
she had done it, even for someone that is that
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empty a barrel. We were stunned. But you know, none
of us went to the press and criticized. None of
us stood up, and we're appalled. We just said, okay, fine,
So I still hope as you write your stories. And
I appealed to America that let's not let this maybe
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lost thing that tells sacred in our in our society,
a young man, young woman going out and giving his
or her life for our country. Let's let's try to
somehow keep that, keep that sacred. But it a rod
did a great deal yesterday by the selfish behavior of
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the member of Congress. So I'm willing to take a
question or two on this, on this topic. But let
me ask you this. Let me ask you this, is
anyone here a gold star parent, a sibling, does anyone
here know a gold star parent sibling? Okay, you get
the question. Thank you, General Kelly. First of all, you
have pretty deal respects and for five for everything that
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you've ever done. But if we could take this a
bit further, why were they in Niger? Unbelievable bowment by
General Kelly. You're the world. We have organized and led
the three quarters of a century to abandon the ideals
we have advanced around the globe, to refuse the obligations
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of international leadership and our duty to remain the last
best hope of Earth for the shake of some half baked,
spurious nationalism cooked up by people who would rather find
skate goats and soft problems. This is is as unpatriotic
as an attachment to any other tired dogma of the
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past that Americans consigned to the ash cheap, the ash
heap of history. No idea, what has happened to? Just
Senator John McKay news round up information overload our eight
nine for one, Shawn, if you want to be a
part of the program. We've been talking at length on
how Donald Trump is totally, almost single handedly now dismantling
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Obama's imperial presidency and the latest on the Iranian deal,
in the latest on the healthcare deal last week of
just the two biggest examples, Donald Trump and UH. And
then of course we've got Steve Bannon saying that what's
happening with what happened in Alabama is just the beginning,
declaring war on the establishment Rhino Republican party that has
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yet to get anything done. Mitch McConnell is literally ground
zero in this battle, in this fight, joining us now
as Senator Ram Paul. It was very instrumental in getting
the President to pay attention to this nineteen seventy four
law that exempted corporations that had businesses in different states.
It allowed these businesses to buy their healthcare across state
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lines and basically it was a cooperative and they weren't
subject to the burden of state law nor the subject
to the burdens of the A c A Obamacare rules
and regulations. And now people can form their own co
operations associations, and they have the ability to have the
same benefits that the corporations do. That means the buying
power that let's say restaurant workers would have, or radio
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workers would have, or any industry workers would have they
can now buy across state lines. Once this is implemented,
they can have the buying power, purchasing power of big groups.
They can buy across state lines, and they could even
get plans like, for example, a catastrophic plan, which is
illegal under Obama. The single best thing that could have
happened for Obamacare, considering the colossal failure of Republicans UH
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to keep their promise to repeal it and place it.
And Paul was instrumental in all of this. How are you,
senator quite good? Yeah? What the President did last week
to legalize individuals to join associations and bi across state lines,
it may be one of the biggest free market reforms
ever in the past generation. It also maybe the biggest
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thing that allow people to escape Obamacare, because people are
gonna be able to get out of those individual marketplaces,
out of these Obamacare plans, and they're gonna be able
to get the kind of adjurance. You're right, the big
corporations have. This is what Pepsi has, it's what Coca
Cola has, it's what am Gen, Amazon, Microsoft, These big
corporations offer a risk of plans. So what we're doing
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is saying, hey, the individual is going to be able
to get a risk of plans now, and through their size,
they should be able to negotiate lower rates. But also
through their size, they should be able to negotiate good terms,
meaning good insurance. Well, I would think that this would
allow a lot of the things that you will. You
and I have talked about real solutions for years, and
I think you're one of like two senators and then
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the Freedom Caucus members that actually discuss things that would work,
like healthcare savings accounts, like cooperatives. I mean, I think
you and I have been the biggest supporters of healthcare
cooperatives because they actually work, and you can couple those
cooperatives with some type of catastrophic insurance if you have
an accident, a bad accident, or get a heart attack,
or get cancer. And about this, Yeah, and the great
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thing about this is doesn't cost any federal money. The
President mentioned this also. This isn't a big federal program
like Lindsay Graham's you know, block grant thing that costs
a trillion dollars in grants. This CAUs zero. This just
lets you have the freedom to form associations and buy
insurance and it costs zero taxpayer money. Well, I like
the idea for all of those reasons, but we still
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really are just threading a needle here because Obamacare is
still in place, and if Donald Trump is president even
eight years, that means the next person in is gonna
undo what the president did here, and then we would
be back with Obamacare. No. Yeah, but the problem is
we had six Senators who voted to repeal it in
I brought up the exact vote this time. I brought it.
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I made them vote on the exact same vote agame
and and the exact same bill, and it would have
revealed that repealed the employer mandate, the individual mandate, would
have repealed all of the taxes, would have been a
trillion dollar tax cut as well. We could have done
it with just Republicans, but we lost Republicans who were
for it and then got weak need and voted against it.
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So this is a real problem when we're struggling as
a Republican party trying to determine who we are anymore.
We've got a budget battle going on, and I told
the President that I want to help the president on
the budget, and I said I will vote for the
budget as long as the spending doesn't exceed the caps.
But guess who's asking to exceed the caps McCain. McCain
and Lindsey Graham, both of them are insisting that we
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exceed the caps and that we spend money that is
above the caps that we put in place. And so
we have conservative Republicans saying, no, no, the budget should
should stay within the spending cap. But then you have
John McCay and Lindsay Graham saying, oh no, no, we
want to spend above the caps, and we won't vote
for any budget unless it spends above the caps. Well,
I've got to understand that you said something that I've
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been saying now for a while, and that is the
Republican Party does not have an identity any longer. They
really don't have an identity. Well, there's a fake identity.
There's the identity that every Congressman, every Senator goes home on.
The Republicans decide and they say, we absolutely need entitlement
reform and it's going to be in the budget ento reform,
but mark my words, they will not do it. They
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will not introduce any bills that will reform entitlements because
they're afraid of their own shadow. The actual budget has
like six trillion dollars worth of savings on on entitlements,
but it's a fiction. They will not do it. They're
savings for next year. And so this week, when we
get to the budget, I will introduce an amendment that
says the instructions for the budget should allow us to
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do entitlement reform. And you watch this vote. It's gonna
be interesting to watch the Republicans squirm because they'll all
say their full it. But I promise you they'll vote
against the amendment. They will not vote to allow budget
reconciliation to be used for So then I you sound
like me, I mean, because I agree with you about
Lindsey Graham. I agree with you about John mccainn I
actually retweeted you last night. I bet you're not even
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aware of it, aren't you? Well? I am, but I
am you coming today, I'm I'm upset today. I'm mad.
I'm mad at Republicans who really don't believe they'll join
the club because I've been saying this, shouting this on
TV and radio for months and months. They suck and
they have no identity, and they don't work, and they
have no vision for the future. Of this country. I mean,
it's pathetic. The Republican party identity, it's a false identity.
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They project that they are the tourment reform. They're lying,
They're lying. They when they said repeal and replaced, there
were a hundred Republicans in the House that never had
any intention. Those seven senators that voted to repeal in
and you all you needed them to do is vote
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with the same bill in twenty six team when it
would have happened, and they didn't do it. So they
were lying to the American people. Isn't that true? It's NonStop.
This goes on you you it just every day. It's
it's one more thing. But I promise you they're going
to vote for a budget that says they'll do entitlement reform,
but I'm going to force an amendment vote. And on
the amendment, I will say, okay, let's have instructions in
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the bill as to how we could do entitlement reform
with a simple majority through budget reconciliation, and I guarantee
they'll all vote no. We're also going to do it
on Obamacare. I'm gonna insist that they revisit Obamacare on
the budget and I'm gonna say, let's put instructions in
there that says that we can still repeal Obamacare. I'm
guessing that most of the Republican leadership will vote against
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me on both of those amendments. Well, I'm guessing you're
probably right. So now we're stuck with what now. The
President signaled today that he might be willing to cut
a bipartisan deal to stabilize Obamacare because it's spiraling out
of control. He called it a quote short term solution. Uh,
we don't have to worry about this transition into what
you encouraged him to do. And he spoke for you know,
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minutes after he met with Lamar Alexander and Patty Murray.
And those are not two people I have any confidence in.
And I'm gonna tell you the worst of them all
is is your fellow Kentucky Senator Mitch McConnell, who can't
get a darn thing done. We shouldn't bail out Obamacare.
I won't vote to bail out Obamacare. We shouldn't give
the insurance companies any more money. What should happen is
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the people who are trapped in the individual market should
be allowed to leave, should be allowed to get group
insurance through these health associations. We should do everything possible
to speed it up. And I can tell you I
was with the President for you know, a good while
the other day, and the President said he's gonna try
to speed this up. He wants people to as soon
as possible, be allowed to leave these individual markets, these
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Obamacare markets. He wants them to get group insurance cross
state lines. And he's telling his people to expedite this
and do it as fast as they possibly can. Let
me play your fellow Kentucky Senator Mitch McConnell talking about
excessive expectations, because I don't think they were excessive expecting
repealing and replacing Obamacare. And I don't think it's excessive
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to get tax reform that we need in this country
to get to jump start the economy and incentivize businesses
to invest in factories and manufacturing centers and energy so
that we can get the forgotten men and women in
poverty on food stamps and out of the labor force,
you know, back climbing the trajectory to success. Here's what
he said. But I know everybody's saying there have done anything,
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which I find extremely and I want to tell you
why the commersce goes on for two years. And part
of the reason I think that the storyline is that
we haven't done much is because in part of the
President and others have set these early timelines about things
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need to be done by a certain point. Now our
new president. Of course, I've been in a slot of
work before, and I think that excessive in expectations about
how quickly things happen in the democratic process. And so
part of the reason I think people feel like we're
under underperforming is because too many kind of artificial deadlines
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unrelated to the reality of the complexity uh legislator may
not have been fully understood. In of course, our political
adversaries would be loves love to say that anytime. So
what I'm asking of you is to judge this converse
when it finishes. How much have we done to make
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America competitive again and to grow again? And that's part
of American making American great again, which is what the
President talks about so much, artificial deadlines, complexity of legislation,
excessive expectations. The President hasn't been in this line of
work before. Now there was a kumbayam between the President
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and Minch McConnell, I don't believe it for a second.
Rampaul I couldn't disagree more on that this as an
artificial deadline. We've had six years. We voted previously to
repeal it. What has to happen is voters in the
states of the six or seven senators who changed their
vote need to let their people know loud and clear,
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go back and do what you promised. You promised to
repeal it. We promised to repeal it. We didn't ever
promise that we were going to replace it with Obamacare Light.
We promised to repeal the damn thing. We ought to
vote and I'm going to continue to force them to
vote as many times as I possibly can on repealing
the thing. But they're not going to do it. But
they're not gonna do it. I mean that's perhaps it
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sends it, but perhaps it sends a message back to
their voters that their voters need to reassess their choices.
I want to go back to this issue with John McCain,
who took a job at the President when he criticized
half baked Uh, you know, nationalism of the President, and
you know you went after of John mccannon thought rightly
so on this. You know, after what happened in Vietnam,
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we lost fifty eight thousand Americans. Then through the prism
of politics, we stopped fighting. We basically pull out after
so many people died. We did the same thing in Iraq,
five thousand people dead. We pull out. If we don't
have any intention to fight and win wars, why are
we fighting them anymore? And I think this is really
the problem. This is where John McCain's had it completely wrong.
He's been he's wanted to be involved. If he had
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his way, we'd be in twelve different wars right now,
in twelve different countries, but we wouldn't declare any of them.
One of the ways that our founding fathers said that
we would unify and that we would rally around the
flag is that we would vote as a body in Congress,
and we just wouldn't go to war unless we voted
in Congress. George Bush actually, even though I disagreed with
the Iraq war, he did come and he voted. We
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voted on the Iraq war. I would have voted with
him on the Afghanistan war. Because there's people harbored, those
who attacked us. So but both times he came to
Congress and voted. Since then we don't vote. We're just
going on decade after decade. And McCain and Lindsey Graham
are the chief architects of these wars. They have never
met a war. They don't like they were everywhere all
the time agitating for war. They're bankrupting the country. And
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yet we fight in a half pass way and we
are policing and we become policemen. Look, I've talked to
our navy seals. These these are some some some great guys.
And when you talk to them, they say, will do
anything that you need us to do anywhere around the world, anytime.
But the mistake comes when you ask us to go
plant the flag and create countries for you. Because we're
not policeman. We don't want to be policemen, and we
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don't want to be into nation building. But that's John
McCain Lindsay Graham building wars everywhere. Well, I'm gonna tell
you something. I mean, if we're not gonna fight wars
with any intention of winning them, then nuts not put
these guys in harm's way to begin with. And what
happens every time. Now we fight, we begin a conflict
which we can win, but we we we literally put
handcuffs on our soldiers rules of engagement. They can't fight back.
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And number two, I mean we don't have the stomach
politically to see it through. And all those people to
put us in those positions are running for the hills
if it becomes politically unviable. In their eyes, It's all
about how it affects them. It's not about what the
right thing to do is well, and I think we
have to be You're right, we have to go in
and when we do go to war, it should be rare,
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and when we do go to war, we should go
to win. For then we really do have to come
home to tell you we've been in Afghanistan for fifteen
years now. It is nothing more than nation building. If
they will not stand up and fight for their country,
after we've given them billions of dollars of of weapons
and uniforms and you name it, we've given it to them.
And if they can't stand up and fight for their country,
they're never gonna have one. So it's sort of a
little bit like welfare. You can't give people welfare forever
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because it's SAPs their incentive. It's the same way with
supporting foreign countries. They have to eventually stand up and
fight for themselves. In in Afghanistan, it is time Obama
put a hundred thousand troops in there, and you know,
the Taliban slink away, but they go and they wait
and they wait. They will always wait. They will wait
for a thousand years. The people who live there need
to stand up and fight the Taliban if they're going
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to fight them. But we can't do their business forever.
I like Ram Paul mad, you should stay mad more
often you're You're definitely more effective when you're piste off.
But by the way, my staff says, I do a
better show when I'm piste off. All right, thank you
for being with us on Warwork. Renowned entertainer performer of
all time joins us right now. Michael Francis is with us.
He plays the pastor in the movie Let There Be
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Like Kevin Sorbo is the main star in the movie,
and he's the horrible person that makes a transformation. UM,
welcome all of you to the to the program deon Warwork.
I've been a fan of yours since I was young.
Your voice is amazing. You being in this project has
added so much to it. And I can't tell you
how beautiful that song is. That's amazing. Could you tell
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us about the song? Yeah? How are I'm good? Except
my voice is a little shot from screaming last night
at this biggest strong concert anyway. Uh y. Written by
my son, Damon Elliott, and his vision was to literally
people know that there there is a solution. And as
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it turns out, he called me his money. I need
a voice, okay, and I did my part on it.
But he also recruited some most incredible talents to participate
as well. You're here Gladys Knight, who is just over
the moon. As far as I'm concerned with what he
gave to the project, the unladey maya really Ray Cyrus.
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I mean, he just went all out to get people
who had same mindset was regards to what the film
is about, his his vision as when he thought the
song represented So I couldn't that be proud of being
a part of this project, and more proud of the
fact that my baby came up with the idea. Well,
he has a beautiful heart obviously if he put that together.
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I mean the words in that song really touch people. Kevin,
let me go to you. I never thought i'd or
dreamed i'd really be in the music business. And I
remember watching your hit movie God's Not and I remember
interviewing you at the time and I said, you know,
if there's ever a project, maybe we can do one together.
And you and Sam, your wife, and Dan Gordon came
to my office one day. I don't think we talked
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more than fifteen twenty minutes, and you told me the
whole story of Let There Be Light, and I just
fell in love with the story, and and we've just
been working on the project ever since. I mean, it's
an amazing the end product. It's one of the things
I'm most proud of in my entire career because I
think this is a movie that needed to be made.
It's contemporary, it touches people's hearts. It's everything that I
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think Hollywood doesn't do. It's it's about real issues, real
life crisis and conflict that people have, and it also
offers a good message for people that I think is
often ignored out of Hollywood. So you know, I was
only too honored to join with you to do it,
and um from your end. You guys did a fabulous job.
Well thank you. It is interesting on hoping came together
because you know, my wife Sam came up the idea.
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She started writing the scripts. She brought in Dan Gordon,
who was a dear friend. And people may know Dan
or may not know Alim. He's one of the top
writers on Hollywood. He wrote The Hurricane with Denzel Washington
World Wider but Kevin Costner. But anyway, Sam and got
together Benesses script. I read the script. Three days later.
You called me and said, Hey, I'm ready to do this.
I'm gonna do something. You guys have anything, and my
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wife says, that's my script. We flew up to New York.
Dan Gordon did the pitching and in that's twenty minutes
that Dan talked, you didn't interrupt them once. I thought
we should have done the documentary on that because I
thought that was pretty amazing. You were spell bound by
the script and the story that he has to tell. Listen,
I've I've learned that there's some of the movie business.
I don't like the business part of it, but what
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you guys have created, the artistic part of it. You know,
I have now shown this to over two hundred people.
I've done my own focus groups, and you actually have
up on your website. You know, some testimonials of some
airings that we've had focus groups with people, and it's unbelievable.
Nine percent of people that see this movie cry. And
you start out as a very conflicted individual that hates God,
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abording God, and then we find out the reason why.
And and you're living a life that really you shouldn't
be living, and you left your family, and you're drinking
too much and you're doing drugs, and and we find
out the reason you wrote aboording God um and you
had lost a son at nine years old, and the
transformation is amazing. Part of that transformation comes when you
meet with Michael Francis, who has one of the most
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incredible life stories of anybody because he is a real
life pastor. Michael, Welcome to the program. And you grew
up the son of a notorious under boss and the
Colombo crime family, and your own father, at one point
in your life, signed off on a hit on you,
and you found yourself in isolation in prison and your
life changed. Yes, John, it's good to be back on again.
And I just want to mention really something really quick,
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Dion Walwich. She doesn't remember, I'm sure, but she played
at my prom. My dad actually broughtbanet at night. We
all had a great time. Yeah, it was weird, had
a good time. It was great. It was terrific. Well, yes,
I was. I was very attracted to the script. I'm
really into apologetics. I love Kevin and I'll be honestly,
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I never acted before. They had to twist my aunt
to do it because I've been myself and documentaries, but
I said, listen, I'll do it as long as I
don't ruin the film. You know, I was playing myself,
so it was. It was pretty easy and a great
cast and great crew, and I think it's a wonderful story.
I think people are really going to be touched by
Its very entertaining, very well. But you're also a pastor
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in real life. Now, how long have you been a pastor? Well, no,
I'm not a pastor, Sean. I go out, you know,
throughout the world and share my testimony, so I mean,
I'm not ordained or anything like that, which I think,
you know, it could be a benefit because you know,
I tell people, I'm just you. You know, we all
have a story to tell Mine might be a little
bit more dramatic, but at the end of the day,
you know, it's a story about Christ, mercy and grace
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in my life. And there's no doubt in my mind
that He saved my life. He put a woman in
my life that led me to Christ, and over the
past twenty years, had so many challenges and struggles, but
He got me through all of it. And you know,
I'm just happy to tell the story whenever I can,
you know, Kevin, one of the other reasons I wanted
to be a part of the project besides the great story.
And once we agreed to do the film, once I
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took on my executive producer role, I'm a big believer
you let people do their job. And you know, you
told me where you're gonna be filming, You told me
what the schedule you're gonna be on. We went over
the script, we did everything that was supposed to do,
and then when I started getting the first pictures and
first cuts, I began to say, this is something magical
happening here. And I don't know if you've had the
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same experience, but everybody I've shown the film to, they
all cry and it touches people deeply. That doesn't happen
enough when I go to the movies. I like to
be moved and touched and vote and inspired and so
on and so forth. It's a movie about redemption, it's
move about faith, it's movie about hope. And you know,
we've been doing quite a two screens getting testimonials. Were
(34:49):
just in Washington, d C. Last week at the Value
Voter Summit there and it was amazing the responses from
people coming out. Sam was doing the testimonials on camera.
I was talking to people and and questions and uh,
just just you know, answer me anything that to say.
But there was a group of teenagers that walked out
and they're about fifteen, sixteen years old, and one of
the boys in that group, I over him say that
(35:10):
is the best movie I've ever seen. And to get
that from a teenage kid. What all we want to
do is go see visual effect movies that you don't
care about character development, you don't care about what happens
to people. You see thousands of people dyeing these smash
him up movies. This is a movie that is real
life and it's going to touch people. It's gonna there's
something for everybody in this movie. They'll be able to
relate to it, They'll be able to take something from it.
(35:31):
And I don't want to preach the choir with this movie,
you know, I want I want atheists to go on
agnostics to go. I want people to get up there
and look at this movie with an open mind and
open heart and come away with what they come away with,
because I know it's going to touch them. I just
gotta tell you, it's uh. It's been an honor to
do this project with you. It opens one week from today.
We have a special airing of it at Trinity Life
Center that I'm going to be out on the road
(35:53):
this week and I'm going to be in Dallas for
two church services with Dr Robert Jeffers at his church
and I'm ex at about that. That That was gonna go
see my buddy Darryl Scott who is in Cleveland. But anyway,
let there be light Movie dot Com and also Hannity
dot Com for theaters. Dion Warwick, I've always loved your work.
God bless you, Thank you and your your send an
(36:13):
amazing job. Michael. It's great to talk to you again.
And Kevin will have you on TV. Next week. We
look forward to that too, Thank you, Thank you. So
we have a lot of news as it relates to
the Clinton's and the Democrats and money that they got
from Harvey Weinstein. I mean it is pretty the amount
of money we're talking about is pretty insane. And uh. Anyway,
(36:36):
so we have some new statistics out here, and some
of them are pretty shocking. And one of them, for example,
is that all the money that was given by Weinstein
to the d n C, they're keeping of the money,
the Clinton Foundation is keeping two d and fifty thousand
dollars of the money. You know, now Weinstein questions of
Bill and Hillary and Chelsea on the run, and Hillary
(36:57):
actually made some comments this weekend and of me playing
for you. You are a beacon of feminism, you talk
for women's rights. You knew Harvey Weinstein well and what stage,
and you must have known the room is about him.
I'm not No, I did not. I did not know
what everyone in your room is about him. Not specific cases,
but noone knew that Harvey Weinstein, apparently in his circle,
(37:19):
was a little bit you know. Well, all I can
tell you is that I did not hear those things. Look,
we just elected a person who admitted sexual assault to
the presidency. So there's a lot of other issues that
are swirling around these kinds of behaviors that need to
be addressed, and I think it's important that we stay
focused and shine a bright spotlight and try to get
(37:42):
people to understand how damaging this is and the women
coming forward is the only way that that story will
be told. Is this kind of behavior cannot be tolerated anywhere,
and this depends upon women coming forward, having the courage
to come forward. And yet in your book, the three
women brought on to stage by Trump attack your husband,
and you kind of dismissed them it was not the
(38:02):
right thing to do. Are you sure about that? Well, yes,
because that had all been litigated. I mean, that was
the subject of a huge, you know, investigation, as you
might recall in the late nineties, and uh, there were
conclusions drawn and that was clearly in the past. But
it is something that has to be taken seriously, as
I say, for everyone, not just for those in entertainment
(38:25):
right now, Oh, really were they litigated? Not really? In
the k Yeah, you did have to pay Paula Jones
eighty dollars, but Hillary was part of the effort. And
now we find out Harvey Weinstein helped bankroll the Clinton
Lewinsky defense at the time. And remember the treatment of
Kathleen Willie and Jennifer Flowers, and and Paula Jones and
(38:50):
Juanita Broderick. Really just apply all of those words to
her husband who was in the White House, and she
knew it. She defended him to the nth degree and
said and and they smeared and slandered every one of
those women. And then of course she takes millions and
millions of dollars from countries where women are told how
to dress, they can't drive, they can't vote, that can't travel,
(39:12):
that marital rape is not a crime in these countries,
and even domestic abuse is not a crime in these countries,
where gays and lesbians are often killed just for being
who they are. And then of course you have you know,
Christians and Jews. You can't build the temple in Saudi Arabia,
you can't build Christian church in Saudi Arabia. And she
(39:33):
took tens of millions of dollars from those countries, and
they bought her silence because she doesn't say a word
about it. What a phony anyway. Joining us now is
Tracy mel Cure is with us. She's an actress entertainer
best known for her roles on One Life to Live,
The Bold, Beautiful, and Sunset Beach. Author of the book
Breaking the Perfect ten Kaya Jones, formerly with the Pussycat Dolls,
(39:56):
who has a great single out now by the way
here to discuss the on going allegations of Weinstein. And
she was quoted over the Weekend as saying that when
she was working and singing for the Pussycat Dolls, they
were basically hired prostitutes who are owned and controlled by
those with the money. Kyo, welcome to the program. Hi, thanks,
(40:16):
So what do you mean? So you're part of a
very successful band, the Pussycat Dolls. Okay, what do you eat?
What do you mean? It was like a prostitution ring.
When I say that, what I mean is that prostitution
is accepting money for sects. And what literally what I
meant was weird girls that wanted to sing, just like
(40:38):
many girls in this business want to sing or they
want to act. And we're proposition and in order to
move forward in your career, you're given an ultimatum or
an opportunity to sleep in an executive or be pushed
onto somebody in a high platform in this business, That's
exactly what I meant. Um, whether it's a job or
you're taking cash, what is the difference? Prostitution is prostitution?
(41:00):
Well and so, but would you did you ever feel
you were forced to sleep with people if you wanted
it a career to move forward? And I chose not to,
which is why I've had to do it independently. This
whole road has been a hard journey of struggling, not
having funding, having to do it on my own, creating
my own work, working with producers, finding them on my own.
(41:21):
I walked away from the Pussychedulets because I was not
willing to outsleep my bandmates. They all need to come forward.
They all need to come forward. They all knew. And
our dead mother, who controlled us, she knew too. Everybody did.
That is so sad. Have you run into Have you
run into good people that that like your talent, your voice,
(41:41):
your performances and and just are in it because they
like what you do? Oh? Of course you know, Yes,
there are good people in this business. It's hard to
find them. Um, most people that have had to turn
a blind eye or walk away from situation. You know,
I've come into contact with now. I think it's a
beautiful time right now. There's a movement in this country
of a lot of love and God and you can
(42:04):
feel the energy of positive affirmation coming forward, which is
why all of these people are being exposed because they're
downright evil what they do to young women and to
young men. So this is in the music business, the
modeling business, the television business, and the movie business. It's everywhere.
With Oh, it's everywhere, and that's why you're seeing it
all with this colluding with you know, Congress and people
(42:25):
in government because it literally you know, look at the
Hillary Kington campaign. It's all of these celebrities. But she
had no idea. Come on, now, everybody is friends with
each other, you know, you utilize celebrities to get your
narrative out because they have a poll or they have
a focus. So everybody's friends with each other, and they
of course they know. Wow. Now, Tracy, you have a
(42:46):
heartbreaking story in your experience as an actress. Let me
play in exchange. It's a little hard to hear of
you being on Larry King Live and what you said
in this interview, this is back in two thousand and five.
Listen to this. My sister and I had met a
couple of guys on an airplane and we went to
this They invited us back to their apartment or something
after yeah, and I didn't even really remember what or
(43:12):
where if it was. It's all foggy at this point.
How we got in this situation with these guys that
we just met them and they invited us back to
their apartment. There was two guys and and my sister
and we went with them, and they it was, you know,
when to drink in tequila like this big waddy bag.
I'm not proud of that. But the next thing I knew,
(43:34):
and I really believe that that sounds sort of it
didn't we drug drug or something in the pot was
raised or something. Because the feeling was so bizarre, it
was I thought like I passed out. I thought I
was gonna pass up the past all And I wake
up in a bedroom with the guy and he's raping me,
(43:56):
but I am physically unable to speak to happened to
move my body in anyway? And I come, what's going on?
I guess the same reason most people don't. It's it's
the shame, the shame that like, well, while was all
there and when I was smoking, potent, drinking, take here,
(44:16):
I just attraction. Yeah, I was attracted from and I
was what was I thank him and I felt like
I had just heard it in a sense and really
it's just that well actually know it just free the
(44:37):
sermented my belief. But you know, in your physical body
and your feelings just need to be suppressed very see.
So you were raped in this incident, and it sounds
like what was alleged with Bill Cosby that so they
drugged you and you're half you know, dazed and confused,
and the next thing you know, you wake up and
somebody's raping you when you're in a bedroom that you
(44:58):
don't even know how you got there exactly. And it's
it's horrible bad. When I listened back to that, you know,
because you grow up and you understand more and everything,
and it's like, I it's just so sad because I
think so many of these women and I don't know
Kayak can relate, but I mean I had so many
issues from my childhood where I didn't feel like I
(45:20):
had self worth and I just wanted to matter. I
wanted to be important, and I realized at a very
young age as a woman, you are never more valuable
than when you're naked, and you never have as much
of that male attention that you know, like I was
crazy from father figures you you number one to a
(45:41):
guy when you're standing in front of him naked, And
that was like the payoff for me was like nothing
is going to distract this guy from me. Right now,
I matter, And that's what I craved. That's the I'm
listening here as a guy, and what you know, and
I have sisters and I have a daughter, and that
this is a father's worst nightmare would be both dis
riving a quick break right back will continue right as
(46:02):
we continue with Tracy mel Cure and Kaya Jones, who
have experienced a lot of what we've been discussing regarding
Harvey Weinstein. And it's more common than anybody knows. This
is the casting couch syndrome. Is that they bring it
in and let's say you have a naturally talented ability
to sing, like Kaya or or Tracy, you had a
(46:23):
natural ability to be an actress, and so you brought
in and you'r you put on the casting couch and
immediately you begin to realize that, oh, you can get
the job, you'll get the gig, but there's a quid
pro quo associated with that. How often did you both
experience that? It was never quite direct like that, but
it was you know that your connections in the industry
(46:44):
are how it works. You know who you know? Right, Um,
So it was just for me. I wanted to associate
with them. And the first time was I was out
at a club in Hollywood with a girlfriend and the
guy came up to us and he's like, you're too
pretty to wait in line. You guys want to get
into the club. I can get you in and we're
like yeah, sure. Well, next thing, you know, we're sitting
(47:05):
next to a very well known Hollywood producer and you know,
we're kind of schmoozed the whole night. And I was
with my girlfriend, but the guy gave me his card
at the end and he's like, I can get you
into a lot of other places and meet a lot
of people. And I was like, oh wow, okay, And
you know, I was like, is he like a manager?
And he kind of like acted like he was the manager,
(47:27):
but he was more of a handler. And it was like, hey,
oh hey, so we're going to this restaurant meet us,
and that's how it started. And the next thing you know,
you're back at their house, you and a group, and
you're all like having a good time. Yeah, oh yeah.
You know, you're by yourself with two executives and one
of the girls from the group, and you're at a house,
(47:48):
you know, in Malibu, and you're like, what are we
doing here? And where are their wives? And where is
the rest of the girls. I wanted to just say,
I at somebody who, at twelve years old, was the
first time I was assaulted. It was an eighteen year
old boy, had an older sister, she had friends over.
They were all and this guy wandered off into where
I was watching TV and attempted to rape me, and I, um,
(48:11):
somebody came in at the very last second. Um, And
I just I think it's really important to differentiate the
different like sexual assault. I feel like it's such a
broad term and it's kind of thrown around, almost like
there used to be a joke I heard where what's
the difference between sexual assault and flirting? It's if he's cute.
And I think it's important because some people I hear.
(48:34):
Now everybody's like, oh, I've been assaulted, and there stories
are pretty mild in my you know what I mean.
And I don't mean to discredit them, but you're talking
about being a victim of real assault, real rape, and
really dangerous situations. Um, it's so sad to hear this.
It breaks my heart and it's just as it's painful
(48:55):
to hear it, and it's I can only imagine the
pain and the trauma you live with. I don't guess
that you really ever get over trauma like this. Ya,
do you get I mean, I know you're tough, but
do you ever get over I couldn't imagine it. No,
I don't think. I don't think that you can ever
get over being violated or mistreated in any circumstance. A
(49:17):
lot of my mental state and what I feel that
I have had to, you know, overcome, is the mental
and emotional abuse that came along with the sexual advances.
You know, having to try and get through certain seeds
that are planted in your mind and you allow them
to grow, but they are planted, and they're planted by
(49:37):
people in powerful positions that are holding your dreams, and
so you in some way think equates like if I
don't tell then you know, loose lips thing ships, then
I can continue in this company or business and you
and you play on those narratives where I'm finally speaking
out because I, you know, saw what Roads came out
and said, I've been speaking out since two thousand and five,
(50:00):
so disgusting. I mean, Tracy, I want to get your
your last thoughts on this, and I disagree with kaya.
I think you can get over it. I took a
big part for me getting over it, with taking responsibility
for my part in it. I wait, why are you
blaming yourself though? I mean, I don't know if somebody
somebody blaming myself, but just starting to change how I
(50:24):
engage and putting myself in those positions. Right, and I
became a Christian, I felt all of that could be
washed away. I put all my faith and my hope
and everything in God now. And yeah, when I talk
about it, I mean I had to call my best
friend and cry on the phone with her before I
could do this interview. Um, and there's still paying there.
(50:47):
But I feel like you're not a forever victim, you know. Um,
but there's still there's still there's still a raw nerve here.
I mean I hear it in your voice. I've known
you for a while, and yeah, I mean I hear
I hear trauma. I hear I just want to give hope.
I don't want to be like, oh my gosh, you know,
(51:08):
I just I'm not a victim card type person, and
I just really want if there are girls listening, that
there is hope, that it's not like forever I have.
I've been married for eighteen years. Can I just add
one thing to this, There are good people out there,
and there is a lesson for girls. Never put what
you want above what is right for you. In other words, yeah,
(51:28):
maybe you want to music career, modeling career, movie career,
TV career, but if you're not going to be working
with good people, don't sell your soul for any opportunity,
because it's not worth it. Thank you both for I
know it's painful to share your story, but it brings
to life exactly what we're talking about and what so
many women have gone through, and how this is so institutional.
As I said it last week, this is the tip
(51:49):
of the iceberg. Alright, Tracy, we appreciate you being with
us same Kaya. We'll see both on TV tonight.
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