May 18, 2023 • 31 mins
Chief Sund, 30-year law enforcement veteran in Washington D.C., and former Chief of Police of the United States Capitol Police, author of Courage Under Fire: Under Siege and Outnumbered 58 to 1 on January 6, joins us today to discuss the hearings on Capitol Hill earlier today.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Right hour two Sean Hannity Show, Tolfrey, It's eight hundred
and ninety four to one, Shawn, if you want to
be a part of the program. These explosive hearings in
Jim Jordan's Judiciary Committee today, it just was unbelievable in
terms of the length and the depth of these whistleblowers
and what they've been able to expose. So much of
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this we had already exposed on this program about when
they were investigating January sixth. There was so many details
that were left out, you know, all of a sudden
we find out even NBC News reports, oh, there was
significant actionable intelligence in the days leading up to January sixth.
Here we have a thirty year law enforcement veteran in Washington,
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d C. Former chief of police of the United State
States Capitol Police, who had been begging in the days
leading up to January sixth because he saw some of
this intelligence and got no help, no listening, no assistance
at all whatsoever. And yet he requested the National Guard
personally numerous times. Now, there was a terrific book that
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nobody in the media really wanted to pay attention to,
and that was the Capitol Police chief now, notice when
they had the January sixth hearing, certain people were not involved.
Nancy Pelosi's phone records, her text messages mine were mine
were made public, you know, without my permission. My privacy
was invaded multiple times. It's now happened what five times
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in my life. But they didn't have Nancy Pelosi's texts, emails.
This video of Nancy Pelosi and her daughter walking through
the halls in January sixth, nobody wants to see that
video on a tape as well. And anyway, the same
thing can be said for the Sergeant of Arms in
the House and the Senate. The same thing could be
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said for Muriel Bowser who said no and writing to
bringing up any guard troops or did anyone want to
hear from the Capitol Chief himself, who was a sole
voice of sanity saying, guys, we have actionable intelligence here,
pay attention, give me the help. So they knew in advance,
and they did nothing, did nothing. And here's the Democrats,
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you know, in temp trying to just beat up the
ever soul love whistleblowers.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
My colleagues have brought in these former agents, men who
lost their security clearances because they were a threat to
our national security who, out of malice or ignorance, or both,
have put partisan agenda above the oath they swore to
serve this country and protect its national security.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
On December fifth, twenty two, an account under the name
of Marcus Allen retweeted a tweet that said, quote Nancy
Pelosi stage January sixth, retweet if you agree end quote?
Do you agree with that statement?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yes or no?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
That is I don't no, ma'am.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
That's not my account at all.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
More than that, this hearing is an insult to the
brave whistleblowers out there who do risk their careers for
the good of their country. This circus of inmitted secret
accusations put to risk the critical row whistleblowers playing holding
the power of powerful accountable. Most whistleblowers aren't interested in
being political pawns in congressional Republicans' games. Playing politics is
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holding up this scheme, as whistleblowers will make other public
servants fearful of coming forward out of fear they will
just be used.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
When it comes to whistleblowers, you are not entitled to it.
Speaker 7 (03:32):
That's a discretion of mister Allen.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
These individuals have been determined need to be whistleblowers. These
are not whistleblowers. They've been determined by the agency not
to be whistleblowers. Are you deciding that they're whistleblowers?
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Yes, the law decides.
Speaker 6 (03:46):
Did you not listen to mister Levitt's testimony?
Speaker 7 (03:47):
Do not read the law?
Speaker 4 (03:48):
The law.
Speaker 7 (03:50):
Attorney from the law.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Has been recognized.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Joining us now is Chief Son, thirty year law enforcement
vet in DC, former chief of the police the United
States Capitol Police. He wrote a best selling book, Courage,
Under Fire, Under Siege and out numbered fifty eight to
one on January sixth. He tells his story. He's one
of only ten men in history to ever hold the
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title of chief of the US Capitol Police. Sir, welcome
back to the program. Thank you, Sean.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
I certainly appreciate you having me on your program. And
you're after the right. You know, there was a time
they used to support whistle blowers, also support the First Amendments.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
So here it is you get actionable intelligence. Now finally,
you know, after the January sixth Committee hearings to bludgeon Trump,
and if you want to criticize Trump on January sixth,
that's fair game. But they didn't tell the whole story,
did they They purposely left out important parts that would
have added a lot of context and texture to what
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actually happened.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Absolutely, he left out the part about the law they passed.
It were required by federal law that I seek approval
from the Capitol Police Board and congressional leadership to request
National Guard in advance of an event. January third, I
went and requested the National Guard and was denied. The
Junior sixth Committee wanted no part of that. They wanted
to tie no part of that to the ser gens
or congressional leadership.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Let me play for you, Chief, if you don't mind,
because you're not the only one that said this. This
is about the same date. It's either January second or third.
I forget it was the specific day, but it was
right in the same time period. I asked in interviews
four people. There were five people in the room, and
let me play it for you, including Donald Trump, his
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chief of staff, Secretary of Defense Miller, his chief of staff,
and General Milly was in the room. And the Inspector
General report also cites him remembering that this was discussed.
Speaker 8 (05:52):
Did you authorize calling up the guard? And then it
became the chain of command went to Nancy Pelosi and
to the Mayor of d C Muriel Bowser. Did you,
as required by law, authorize.
Speaker 9 (06:06):
That one hundred percent and attested to by many people,
and they turned it down.
Speaker 8 (06:13):
Nancy Pelosi turned it down.
Speaker 10 (06:15):
Mayor Bowser's written refusal the communications between the leader of
the Capitol Police and their chain of command to the
DoD refusing our request to allow National guardsmen and women
to stage on January four and five before January sixth.
Speaker 8 (06:30):
Did you both ask for the National Guard to be called.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Up without a doubt?
Speaker 11 (06:35):
Sean, We've made that very clear, not just once, but
on numerous occasions. We wanted to make sure that there
was plenty of National Guard on the ready in case
there was some kind of violence.
Speaker 12 (06:47):
I had a meeting with President Trump on the third
of January concerning some international threats, and at the very
end he asked if there were any requests for national
Guard support.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
What was the President's response to you with regard to
the request made by Mayor Bowser.
Speaker 12 (07:04):
Sill it and do whatever was necessary to protect the demonstrators.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Now, Chief, I understand that in the very beginning, you know,
going out maybe eight days before you did not see
actionable intelligence, and at that point you did not request
the Guard. But as you were getting closer to January sixth,
you did see actionable intelligence. Is that fair?
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Yeah? For me coming up on specifically Sunday, January third,
you know, I saw the size of the crowd that
we were expecting. I knew the size of the perimeter
I was going to have. Might be concerned with the
number of people I was going to have on my perimeter,
and that's specifically why I went and asked for the
National Guard. And yeah, it was it was DENIEDDOD was
eventually told that no, we would not be accepting it
because you know, of federal law, I can't accept it
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without the approval of the Congressional Police Board, the Capitol
Police Board, and congressional leadership.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Now let me ask you in line of what you
have said, is anybody in the mainstream media really was
anybody in the mainstream media interested in your story? I mean,
your background, your record is beyond impressive. Only one of
ten people in the history of this country to be
the Capitol Police Chief, one of ten thirty year law
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enforcement veteran in Washington, d C. Your background is impeccable.
Did anyone in Congress seek your testimony? On the Democratic side?
The January sixth Committee reach out to you.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
January sixth Committee did interview me informally. It wasn't videotape.
I mean it was a videotape. It was never broadcast
to the public. But anytime I tried to relate to
the denial, I had to the National Guard Again. They
did not want to accept that as a denial from
leadership or denial from the Capitol Police Board, and they
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did everything they could keep clean hands for leadership. So
any of the interviews I've had, for the most part
mainstream media was much like the covering some of the
FBI stuff. They're looking to. Their narrative is how was
the White House involved versus you know, what are the facts.
When I wrote the book Courage under Fire, I wrote
it based on the facts. That's type of policing I've
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been for a police officer, I've been for thirty years,
and that's what people were looking for with what half
on January sixth. So all the facts are there. You know,
you go back and look at what happened in the
White House May thirtieth to the beginning of June, all
the people attacking it there, they shut down the White
House operations. They've forced the President of the United States
to evacuate with his family into the bunker. That's as
much an insurrection as it is to shut down the
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events if at the capital. On January sixth, more police
officers were injured at the White House protest. Secret Service
was bloodied and beaten. And you had two significant incidents there.
One Metro and Police Department, an agency formed by Congress
to protect the President, wasn't allowed to go on the
White House. Crowns to help defend the White House and
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bog and FBI didn't pursue any of those suspects.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Quick break, Welcome back, more with former Capitol Police chief
Sundw's with us. And by the way, don't forget his
book Courage under Fire. And by the way, it is
on Amazon dot Comhannity dot com, bookstores everywhere. All Right,
we continue with former Capitol Police chief Sundays with us,
his book Courage under Fire on Amazon dot com, Hannity
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dot com, bookstores, everywhere. Let me play Luster Holt. This
was from January of this year, acknowledging that the federal
law enforcement could have prevented the whole January sixth data
from Happening. Listen now to our NBC News exclusive.
Speaker 13 (10:36):
The January sixth Committee's final report was more than eight
hundred pages, but some material did not make the cut,
including much of its findings on the failures of federal
law enforcement leading up to the attack.
Speaker 14 (10:47):
The chief investigator of the January sixth Committee says the
government could have prevented it had law enforcement agencies acted
on the available intelligence. Do you believe the attack on
the Capitol could have been successfully repelled?
Speaker 9 (11:00):
It have been a lot different had law enforcement taken
a more assertive protective posture. The intel in advance was
pretty specific, and it was enough, in our view, for
law enforcement to have done a better job operationalizing a
secure perimeter. Law enforcement had a very direct role contributing
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toaly the failures, the security failures that led to the violence.
Speaker 14 (11:24):
People familiar with the committee's work tell NBC News members
downplayed that finding because they wanted to keep the focus
on former President Trump. Committee members dispute that Haythe would
not discuss internal deliberations. Was this an intelligence failure?
Speaker 9 (11:38):
It was not an intelligence failure.
Speaker 14 (11:41):
Patorical breaks the line.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
We Hafe says.
Speaker 14 (11:44):
The committee found the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security,
and other agencies did not act on the intelligence they had,
including this online threat, forward it to Capitol Police January fifth,
calling on thousands to go to Washington and help storm
the Capitol. In a statement to News, the FBI said
had sent all the intelligence that had to the Capitol Police.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Well, it seems like they want to blame you for this,
But simultaneously, sir, were you not chief asking for assistance?
National Guard assistants among them?
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Absolutely, and I've got I've turned over all my phone records.
They actually ain't even have video records of me going
into both the House and Senate Sergeant Arm's office because
I went in person, because I knew the sensitivity of
my request, so absolutely I went in request that absolutely
has denied. What they need to do is honestly, look
at the intelligence that FBI produced in advance. It wasn't
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like any other event I've dealt with or the intelligence
that it was provided to me. You know, within Capitol Police.
There's a reason Capitol Police department also had whistleblowers, much
like the FBI. We're dealing with now, so.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
They buried your testimony. Is it fair to say? Do
you conclude? And I don't want to put words in
your mouth. My conclusion is that they had a political agenda,
which was to make this report about Donald Trump, not
to prevent something like this from God forbid ever happening.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Again, it's hard not to come to that conclusion when
you think about it, because they used just one aspect
of what the January sixth COMNYE used as evidence in
that hearing was some of the internal video from my
video cameras at the Capitol. None of those video cameras
have audio, yet they want ahead and purposely imported dramatic
audio sounds of demonstrators. Imagine if any police chief in
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the country had used that on a body worn camera
and changed the audio to help support a narrative. It
was clear they had a predetermined narrative. One they were
focused on sixteen hundred percent the avenue and doing everything
they could to keep any dirt off of Congression leadership.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Amazing. So basically they had a predetermined outcome, which I
had been saying from the very beginning, they never wanted
to get to the truth. Here's the sad thing, Chief,
because you could have prevented this if they had they
listened to you, had they listened to other law enforcement,
had they looked at the intelligence that was readily available,
actionable intelligence. To me, it is sad that they put
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politics above the safety of our elected officials, our institution,
the capital, and that this could have been prevented, and
that that's not the lead of their report should tell
you everything I think you need to know. I want
to remind everybody if this book is phenomenal, it's called Courage,
under Fire, under Siege out number fifty eight to one
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on January sixth, unbelievable. You did the right thing, sir,
and I don't know why you ended up leaving when
it should have been the other people leaving. And Congress
should be ashamed of itself because they've done nothing since
to protect that capital, and they should.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
You're absolutely correct, and Speaker Pelosi didn't give me a
whole lot of options, but I certainly appreciate all the
sport and there's a lot of facts people still don't
know about January sixth.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
All right, we're going to put the book on Hannony
dot com alink. It's on Amazon dot com hopefully bookstores everywhere.
Get yourself a copy. Stevenson, former only one of ten
capitol police chiefs in history. We really appreciate you being
with us and giving us a very very different story
than we were fed by the January sixth Committee.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
I appreciate sir, Thank you, all.
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regret it, all right. So we have a lot of
other issues here. You know, we have these hearings from
earlier today, which you know, unbelievable to me with these whistleblowers.
Everybody loves whistleblowers, except when they are democratic whistleblowers. The
only like ones that go after Donald Trump. You know,
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we're still waiting to get full reports. I know Senator
Rubia released a report this week and we had them
on TV earlier exposing the the the COVID origins in
more detail and specificity than ever before. What about what's
going on with the border, Are we ever going to
get details on that? What about the FBI now we
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know has been weaponized and politicized, the same with the
DOJ And what's happening to our country. Congressman Tom Tiffany
is with it from Wisconsin, sounding the alarm on the
Biden administration, in this case about the border the World
Health Organization. Sir, welcome to the program, Thanks for being
with us, and it's.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
Good to join you. And the hits just keep coming,
don't they?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
They really do. I mean, what did you think of
these whistleblowers today?
Speaker 7 (17:54):
Yeah, you know, I didn't get a chance to watch
the transcripts of what happened. I don't serve on that committee,
but hearing that the Democrats went after the whistleblowers, and
as you said at the top here, Democrats used to
love whistleblowers. They used to believe that that person worked
in the rank and file, that they should have something
to say if leadership is failing them. The leadership of
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the FBI is failing us in this country. We should
be hearing the whistleblowers, well.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
We should be, and they spoke out today, and predictably,
the Democrats attacked them and tried to smear them, just
as the FBI has been trying to do for speaking out.
I thought we had whistleblower protection laws in this country.
Do we no longer have them? That I miss the
rescinding of those laws.
Speaker 7 (18:39):
Well, represent Wasserman Schultz went so far as to say that, well,
these are not legitimate whistleblowers because FBI leadership says they're not.
Of course they are going to say they're not legitimate
whistleblowers because they're the people that are perpetrating the leadership
of the FBI, that is, that are perpetrating this on
the people of the United States. The dual system of justice.
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We see another example day, the dual system of justice
in America.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I don't know what the answer is. Is the answer
now that we know that the FBI put their cinder
blocks on the scales of not one, but two consecutive
presidential elections. Obviously, in the case of giving Hillary Clinton
every break possible, imaginable, and yet leaning into something that
was never corroborated, a dirty Hillary Clinton bought and paid
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for Russian disinformation dossier, and pushing a phony, false narrative
from the beginning. As we learned from the Durham Report
this week. You know, nobody seems to be held accountable
in the end. Congressman, why is that so?
Speaker 7 (19:41):
It's a great point that you're bringing up, and I
would propose the following things.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
The FBI has.
Speaker 7 (19:46):
A massive new building that is slated to be built
in Washington, DC. I believe we pulled cunning back from
that until we actually see reforms, Until the agency is reformed,
I think we use the appropriations process as we go
forward to defund those that are not doing their job.
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Until we see reforms, a concrete plan of reform, we
shouldn't get them any more. We should we should inject
ourselves into the approach.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Okay, well, well, Chris Stpherferray, the FBI director, swore that
he implemented all the Inspector General's reforms. But yet here
the FBI had Hunter Biden's laptop in December of twenty nineteen.
It was authenticated, according to John Solomon by the spring
of twenty twenty, and yet FBI agents in the months
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leading up to the twenty twenty presidential election were meeting
weekly with every big tech company and according to testimony
in Missouri, that they were being warned that they might
be victims of a foreign misinformation campaign that might have
to do with issues involving Joe and Hunter Biden. So
then the Hunter Biden laptop story breaks the very real
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lap top uh and then it gets totally censored by
big tech who had been pre bunked by the FBI agents.
For muns on end, is that putting is that putting
their own influence on a presidential election? Seems like that.
Speaker 7 (21:13):
To me, no doubt about it. And if you read
the Durham Report, the Durham Report makes it very clear
if they have little confidence that they're going to enact
the reforms that need to be done on the FBI.
That's where Congress comes in, and we need to use
the power of the first We also need to use
the Home and Sean.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Well, you know, I'm looking at all of these issues
and I'm going to be I'm gonna be honest, I'm
not sure that we're going to get the changes that
are necessary because you know, at the end of the
Durham Report, which frankly, in my view, was three years
too late, with all that we now know and all
that we knew about, you know, all the lying to
fize the court judges, and all of the disinformation, and
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all of the the accommodations given to Hillary Clinton and
the dual system of justice, as all things related to
Donald Trump. Does the FBI and the CIA should they
be having this type of involvement in our election process?
Speaker 7 (22:10):
No, we should not have that type of involvement. But
the one way in which we can affect us is
to use the power of the purse in Congress. We
need to have the fortitude to do that. We also
should be using the Holman holeman role. Can we can
take an employee of the government down to one dollar
their salary for a year down to one dollar And
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we need to do that with a few people to
send a very clear message. But I get it, Sean.
I hear from people at home all the time. They're like,
they just don't have any confidence that we're going to
be able to get to it. But I believe be
to the appropriations process, we got to be We got
to be brave like we've been so far with some
of this stuff that we've been doing in the House Representatives.
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We need to do the right thing for the American people.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Now, what's going to happen when Kevin McCarthy meets again.
I know that Joe Biden is in Japan. I guess
he's busy, probably falling asleep in meetings. But so he's
going to come back. He wasted nearly one hundred days,
ninety seven days he refused to meet with Kevin McCarthy's
said in the beginning, he refused to negotiate with Kevin McCarthy.
So you and the House House Republicans, it's the majority.
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It's a small one, but it's the majority. Voted to
pass a debt ceiling increase bill that brings us back
to twenty twenty two spending levels, which I think is
very responsible. That also reduces baseline budgeting increases to a
maximum of one percent. That allows for more drilling so
we can be more energy independent. Good for national security
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and job creation, and was scored out by the CBO
as saving four point eight trillion dollars in ten years.
And I'm tired of robbing our kids and grandkids blind.
So my question is, what's going to happen if if
Joe Biden assists on this change, that change, and then
another change, our House Republican is going to sign on
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to that bill. I would tend to doubt it in
thirteen days.
Speaker 7 (24:03):
What I'm merging leadership to do is the whole firm.
We passed a responsible bill. I mean, in exchange for
the debt limit increase, the American people should get fiscal responsibility,
and that's exactly what we're doing, as well as the
pro growth policies that you mentioned, including work requirements, which
just passed by an eighty percent vote here in my
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home state of Wisconsin. We should be insisting that these
things are done. We should stand firm. We're the only
ones that have put together a responsible budget and we
need to stand tall now as the Democrats try to
beat us into submission that all just do a debt
sealing increase.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Well, they walked away for one hundred days. They wouldn't negotiate,
So you guys had no choice but to act on
your own. You passed a responsible debt sealing increase that
also stops the bleeding in terms of stealing money from
future generations. I'm not sure I would change the thing either.
And if Biden wants to, you know, in the end,
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be the first president to have a default on the country,
then that's up to him. He made that decision a
long time ago. And I'm going to tell you why, Congressman.
He was betting there was no way that all of you,
especially after all the votes to Speaker McCarthy across the
finish line. He was betting you would not unite. He
was betting that you'd never pass a bill, and he
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was betting that he'd get a clean debt ceiling bill
with no responsibility fiscal responsibility measures in it. You think
I'm wrong on that, Oh.
Speaker 7 (25:30):
No, No, that's exactly what they were thinking. And what
we should do now is if you don't want to
do this, then let's help the Annie. Let's include HR
two to Secure the Border Act. Let's put that in
there also. Now, the price tag does not get lower
if you're not going to negotiate for as ninety seven
days and you're thinking you're just going to be able
to steamroll us.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
No, well, I love the idea. Let me ask you
this question. It's an election question because it impacted the
state of Wisconsin, where you're from. And I'm making the
case that Republicans have got to be very careful. I
don't see Democrats running traditional campaigns anymore. They don't shake hands,
they don't kiss babies, they don't take selfies, they don't
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do press aveils, they don't do town halls. They spend
hundreds of millions of dollars on negative ads, and then
they have quote legal ballot harvesting efforts that have proven
very successful, especially in swing states. Now, if Republicans don't
adopt early voting, mail in voting and the same measures
and hopefully surpassing even the measures the Democrats have adopted
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with legal ballot harvesting, I think they'll lose elections that
they can win. The second thing is, you just had
an election for seat open on your Supreme Court and
the issue of abortion was front and center. And I
think Republicans, if they continue to run candidates. I'm not
trashing Doug Monstreano, but the fact that he had no
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exceptions for rape incests of the mother's life in Pennsylvania,
a purple state at best, was it was political suicide.
Do you think abortion played that big a role in
that in that Supreme Court race.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
It played a big role.
Speaker 7 (27:12):
But we also need to talk about we're not talking
about other things that affect women, especially crime. We do,
we've done some of that, but we also need to
talk about Title nine. Sean, I got three daughters, they
all participated interscholastic sports, and now men get to take
women's positions. We're not talking about that enough. And the
other thing we're not talking about enough is that every
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Democrat except one in the last Congress voted for abortion
on demand all the way up to nine months. People
don't know that, and we need to tell them that
Democrats are beyond extreme on abortion.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
No.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I couldn't agree anymore anyway. Congressman Tom Tiffany, Wisconsin. We
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Speaker 4 (27:57):
Sean.
Speaker 7 (27:57):
Always good to join you.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
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and Florida Jim. You're on the Sean Hannity Show. What's
going on?
Speaker 6 (28:10):
Thanks Shawan, Thank you so much for continuing to stand
firm in the faith. I'm calling you because of course
you're a believer.
Speaker 7 (28:17):
I'm a believer.
Speaker 6 (28:18):
We're kind of fond of America. And last time I
checked and pulled out a bill, it still says in
God we trust. My question is with the latest debacle
with the FBI and those funny words somebody said about, yeah,
we had a couple of missteps, Well, as the light
is being shined on them, it's becoming a parent that
there's been really some nefarious things afoot. So here's my
question to you.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
It took a.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
Few guys to stand up, a very few. If we
could get a few more, what is it three percent
started a revolution men, fifteen percent listened and it changed
America's history. If we could get twenty to thirty percent
of the FBI to say, you know what, there's something
awry here, there's something afoot. It's obviously not the foot
soldiers and the people out the field, but the upper
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management has got something going on. What do you say
to that.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
You know, I am seeing more and more that look,
there's a lot of factors in play here for somebody
to become a whistlebul or it does take a lot
of courage because you are risking your career and in
most cases, you're probably destroying any chance of advancement, especially
in an organization that is so so bureaucratic and so
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politicized as the FBI. And that's sad. You know, we
should be encouraging those people that have the bravery and
the courage to you know, hold true to the fidelity
of the Bureau's mission. I've said it all many, many times.
This was the world's premier law enforcement agency. It is
not anymore. I can't say that and believe it because
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it's not true. And it's unfortunate that, you know, we
have now weaponized the FBI, politicized the FBI, politicized the DJ.
We have a dual system of justice, and we don't
have equal justice or application of our laws. So yeah,
it's going to take It would take a lot of
people to make that happen, to make that biggest statement,
and maybe that'll happen one day.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
Well, a few people like you, Sean, doing the great
job you're doing. I would encourage my fellow Americans to
read the first two sentences the pre amble. Don't even
read the whole Constitution. Read the first two sentences of
the Constitution, right in there where it says established justice,
promote domestic or ensured domestic tranquility. I mean, just get
through the first two sentences and think about what our
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forefathers did when they signed the Constitution. Most of them
in the Decoration of Independence thought they were signing their
death one because they risked their life, their families, their
sacred honor, and their name. And by the way, they
have something that's very scarce now, a conscience, a godly
conscience that you and I grew up with. When we
swore an oath, it was to God.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Well, I can't say it any better. God, faith, family,
country boy. That would never lead us in the wrong direction,
would it. You know, it's really not that complicated.
Speaker 11 (31:02):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
These hearings will Blockbuster today, but just like the Duram Report,
they will ignore it.
Right hour two Sean Hannity Show, Tolfrey, It's eight hundred
and ninety four to one, Shawn, if you want to
be a part of the program. These explosive hearings in
Jim Jordan's Judiciary Committee today, it just was unbelievable in
terms of the length and the depth of these whistleblowers
and what they've been able to expose. So much of
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this we had already exposed on this program about when
they were investigating January sixth. There was so many details
that were left out, you know, all of a sudden
we find out even NBC News reports, oh, there was
significant actionable intelligence in the days leading up to January sixth.
Here we have a thirty year law enforcement veteran in Washington,
(00:46):
d C. Former chief of police of the United State
States Capitol Police, who had been begging in the days
leading up to January sixth because he saw some of
this intelligence and got no help, no listening, no assistance
at all whatsoever. And yet he requested the National Guard
personally numerous times. Now, there was a terrific book that
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nobody in the media really wanted to pay attention to,
and that was the Capitol Police chief now, notice when
they had the January sixth hearing, certain people were not involved.
Nancy Pelosi's phone records, her text messages mine were mine
were made public, you know, without my permission. My privacy
was invaded multiple times. It's now happened what five times
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in my life. But they didn't have Nancy Pelosi's texts, emails.
This video of Nancy Pelosi and her daughter walking through
the halls in January sixth, nobody wants to see that
video on a tape as well. And anyway, the same
thing can be said for the Sergeant of Arms in
the House and the Senate. The same thing could be
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said for Muriel Bowser who said no and writing to
bringing up any guard troops or did anyone want to
hear from the Capitol Chief himself, who was a sole
voice of sanity saying, guys, we have actionable intelligence here,
pay attention, give me the help. So they knew in advance,
and they did nothing, did nothing. And here's the Democrats,
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you know, in temp trying to just beat up the
ever soul love whistleblowers.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
My colleagues have brought in these former agents, men who
lost their security clearances because they were a threat to
our national security who, out of malice or ignorance, or both,
have put partisan agenda above the oath they swore to
serve this country and protect its national security.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
On December fifth, twenty two, an account under the name
of Marcus Allen retweeted a tweet that said, quote Nancy
Pelosi stage January sixth, retweet if you agree end quote?
Do you agree with that statement?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yes or no?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
That is I don't no, ma'am.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
That's not my account at all.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
More than that, this hearing is an insult to the
brave whistleblowers out there who do risk their careers for
the good of their country. This circus of inmitted secret
accusations put to risk the critical row whistleblowers playing holding
the power of powerful accountable. Most whistleblowers aren't interested in
being political pawns in congressional Republicans' games. Playing politics is
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holding up this scheme, as whistleblowers will make other public
servants fearful of coming forward out of fear they will
just be used.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
When it comes to whistleblowers, you are not entitled to it.
Speaker 7 (03:32):
That's a discretion of mister Allen.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
These individuals have been determined need to be whistleblowers. These
are not whistleblowers. They've been determined by the agency not
to be whistleblowers. Are you deciding that they're whistleblowers?
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Yes, the law decides.
Speaker 6 (03:46):
Did you not listen to mister Levitt's testimony?
Speaker 7 (03:47):
Do not read the law?
Speaker 4 (03:48):
The law.
Speaker 7 (03:50):
Attorney from the law.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Has been recognized.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Joining us now is Chief Son, thirty year law enforcement
vet in DC, former chief of the police the United
States Capitol Police. He wrote a best selling book, Courage,
Under Fire, Under Siege and out numbered fifty eight to
one on January sixth. He tells his story. He's one
of only ten men in history to ever hold the
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title of chief of the US Capitol Police. Sir, welcome
back to the program. Thank you, Sean.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
I certainly appreciate you having me on your program. And
you're after the right. You know, there was a time
they used to support whistle blowers, also support the First Amendments.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
So here it is you get actionable intelligence. Now finally,
you know, after the January sixth Committee hearings to bludgeon Trump,
and if you want to criticize Trump on January sixth,
that's fair game. But they didn't tell the whole story,
did they They purposely left out important parts that would
have added a lot of context and texture to what
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actually happened.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Absolutely, he left out the part about the law they passed.
It were required by federal law that I seek approval
from the Capitol Police Board and congressional leadership to request
National Guard in advance of an event. January third, I
went and requested the National Guard and was denied. The
Junior sixth Committee wanted no part of that. They wanted
to tie no part of that to the ser gens
or congressional leadership.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Let me play for you, Chief, if you don't mind,
because you're not the only one that said this. This
is about the same date. It's either January second or third.
I forget it was the specific day, but it was
right in the same time period. I asked in interviews
four people. There were five people in the room, and
let me play it for you, including Donald Trump, his
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chief of staff, Secretary of Defense Miller, his chief of staff,
and General Milly was in the room. And the Inspector
General report also cites him remembering that this was discussed.
Speaker 8 (05:52):
Did you authorize calling up the guard? And then it
became the chain of command went to Nancy Pelosi and
to the Mayor of d C Muriel Bowser. Did you,
as required by law, authorize.
Speaker 9 (06:06):
That one hundred percent and attested to by many people,
and they turned it down.
Speaker 8 (06:13):
Nancy Pelosi turned it down.
Speaker 10 (06:15):
Mayor Bowser's written refusal the communications between the leader of
the Capitol Police and their chain of command to the
DoD refusing our request to allow National guardsmen and women
to stage on January four and five before January sixth.
Speaker 8 (06:30):
Did you both ask for the National Guard to be called.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Up without a doubt?
Speaker 11 (06:35):
Sean, We've made that very clear, not just once, but
on numerous occasions. We wanted to make sure that there
was plenty of National Guard on the ready in case
there was some kind of violence.
Speaker 12 (06:47):
I had a meeting with President Trump on the third
of January concerning some international threats, and at the very
end he asked if there were any requests for national
Guard support.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
What was the President's response to you with regard to
the request made by Mayor Bowser.
Speaker 12 (07:04):
Sill it and do whatever was necessary to protect the demonstrators.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Now, Chief, I understand that in the very beginning, you know,
going out maybe eight days before you did not see
actionable intelligence, and at that point you did not request
the Guard. But as you were getting closer to January sixth,
you did see actionable intelligence. Is that fair?
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Yeah? For me coming up on specifically Sunday, January third,
you know, I saw the size of the crowd that
we were expecting. I knew the size of the perimeter
I was going to have. Might be concerned with the
number of people I was going to have on my perimeter,
and that's specifically why I went and asked for the
National Guard. And yeah, it was it was DENIEDDOD was
eventually told that no, we would not be accepting it
because you know, of federal law, I can't accept it
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without the approval of the Congressional Police Board, the Capitol
Police Board, and congressional leadership.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Now let me ask you in line of what you
have said, is anybody in the mainstream media really was
anybody in the mainstream media interested in your story? I mean,
your background, your record is beyond impressive. Only one of
ten people in the history of this country to be
the Capitol Police Chief, one of ten thirty year law
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enforcement veteran in Washington, d C. Your background is impeccable.
Did anyone in Congress seek your testimony? On the Democratic side?
The January sixth Committee reach out to you.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
January sixth Committee did interview me informally. It wasn't videotape.
I mean it was a videotape. It was never broadcast
to the public. But anytime I tried to relate to
the denial, I had to the National Guard Again. They
did not want to accept that as a denial from
leadership or denial from the Capitol Police Board, and they
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did everything they could keep clean hands for leadership. So
any of the interviews I've had, for the most part
mainstream media was much like the covering some of the
FBI stuff. They're looking to. Their narrative is how was
the White House involved versus you know, what are the facts.
When I wrote the book Courage under Fire, I wrote
it based on the facts. That's type of policing I've
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been for a police officer, I've been for thirty years,
and that's what people were looking for with what half
on January sixth. So all the facts are there. You know,
you go back and look at what happened in the
White House May thirtieth to the beginning of June, all
the people attacking it there, they shut down the White
House operations. They've forced the President of the United States
to evacuate with his family into the bunker. That's as
much an insurrection as it is to shut down the
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events if at the capital. On January sixth, more police
officers were injured at the White House protest. Secret Service
was bloodied and beaten. And you had two significant incidents there.
One Metro and Police Department, an agency formed by Congress
to protect the President, wasn't allowed to go on the
White House. Crowns to help defend the White House and
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bog and FBI didn't pursue any of those suspects.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Quick break, Welcome back, more with former Capitol Police chief
Sundw's with us. And by the way, don't forget his
book Courage under Fire. And by the way, it is
on Amazon dot Comhannity dot com, bookstores everywhere. All Right,
we continue with former Capitol Police chief Sundays with us,
his book Courage under Fire on Amazon dot com, Hannity
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dot com, bookstores, everywhere. Let me play Luster Holt. This
was from January of this year, acknowledging that the federal
law enforcement could have prevented the whole January sixth data
from Happening. Listen now to our NBC News exclusive.
Speaker 13 (10:36):
The January sixth Committee's final report was more than eight
hundred pages, but some material did not make the cut,
including much of its findings on the failures of federal
law enforcement leading up to the attack.
Speaker 14 (10:47):
The chief investigator of the January sixth Committee says the
government could have prevented it had law enforcement agencies acted
on the available intelligence. Do you believe the attack on
the Capitol could have been successfully repelled?
Speaker 9 (11:00):
It have been a lot different had law enforcement taken
a more assertive protective posture. The intel in advance was
pretty specific, and it was enough, in our view, for
law enforcement to have done a better job operationalizing a
secure perimeter. Law enforcement had a very direct role contributing
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toaly the failures, the security failures that led to the violence.
Speaker 14 (11:24):
People familiar with the committee's work tell NBC News members
downplayed that finding because they wanted to keep the focus
on former President Trump. Committee members dispute that Haythe would
not discuss internal deliberations. Was this an intelligence failure?
Speaker 9 (11:38):
It was not an intelligence failure.
Speaker 14 (11:41):
Patorical breaks the line.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
We Hafe says.
Speaker 14 (11:44):
The committee found the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security,
and other agencies did not act on the intelligence they had,
including this online threat, forward it to Capitol Police January fifth,
calling on thousands to go to Washington and help storm
the Capitol. In a statement to News, the FBI said
had sent all the intelligence that had to the Capitol Police.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Well, it seems like they want to blame you for this,
But simultaneously, sir, were you not chief asking for assistance?
National Guard assistants among them?
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Absolutely, and I've got I've turned over all my phone records.
They actually ain't even have video records of me going
into both the House and Senate Sergeant Arm's office because
I went in person, because I knew the sensitivity of
my request, so absolutely I went in request that absolutely
has denied. What they need to do is honestly, look
at the intelligence that FBI produced in advance. It wasn't
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like any other event I've dealt with or the intelligence
that it was provided to me. You know, within Capitol Police.
There's a reason Capitol Police department also had whistleblowers, much
like the FBI. We're dealing with now, so.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
They buried your testimony. Is it fair to say? Do
you conclude? And I don't want to put words in
your mouth. My conclusion is that they had a political agenda,
which was to make this report about Donald Trump, not
to prevent something like this from God forbid ever happening.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Again, it's hard not to come to that conclusion when
you think about it, because they used just one aspect
of what the January sixth COMNYE used as evidence in
that hearing was some of the internal video from my
video cameras at the Capitol. None of those video cameras
have audio, yet they want ahead and purposely imported dramatic
audio sounds of demonstrators. Imagine if any police chief in
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the country had used that on a body worn camera
and changed the audio to help support a narrative. It
was clear they had a predetermined narrative. One they were
focused on sixteen hundred percent the avenue and doing everything
they could to keep any dirt off of Congression leadership.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Amazing. So basically they had a predetermined outcome, which I
had been saying from the very beginning, they never wanted
to get to the truth. Here's the sad thing, Chief,
because you could have prevented this if they had they
listened to you, had they listened to other law enforcement,
had they looked at the intelligence that was readily available,
actionable intelligence. To me, it is sad that they put
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politics above the safety of our elected officials, our institution,
the capital, and that this could have been prevented, and
that that's not the lead of their report should tell
you everything I think you need to know. I want
to remind everybody if this book is phenomenal, it's called Courage,
under Fire, under Siege out number fifty eight to one
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on January sixth, unbelievable. You did the right thing, sir,
and I don't know why you ended up leaving when
it should have been the other people leaving. And Congress
should be ashamed of itself because they've done nothing since
to protect that capital, and they should.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
You're absolutely correct, and Speaker Pelosi didn't give me a
whole lot of options, but I certainly appreciate all the
sport and there's a lot of facts people still don't
know about January sixth.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
All right, we're going to put the book on Hannony
dot com alink. It's on Amazon dot com hopefully bookstores everywhere.
Get yourself a copy. Stevenson, former only one of ten
capitol police chiefs in history. We really appreciate you being
with us and giving us a very very different story
than we were fed by the January sixth Committee.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
I appreciate sir, Thank you, all.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
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regret it, all right. So we have a lot of
other issues here. You know, we have these hearings from
earlier today, which you know, unbelievable to me with these whistleblowers.
Everybody loves whistleblowers, except when they are democratic whistleblowers. The
only like ones that go after Donald Trump. You know,
(17:04):
we're still waiting to get full reports. I know Senator
Rubia released a report this week and we had them
on TV earlier exposing the the the COVID origins in
more detail and specificity than ever before. What about what's
going on with the border, Are we ever going to
get details on that? What about the FBI now we
(17:26):
know has been weaponized and politicized, the same with the
DOJ And what's happening to our country. Congressman Tom Tiffany
is with it from Wisconsin, sounding the alarm on the
Biden administration, in this case about the border the World
Health Organization. Sir, welcome to the program, Thanks for being
with us, and it's.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
Good to join you. And the hits just keep coming,
don't they?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
They really do. I mean, what did you think of
these whistleblowers today?
Speaker 7 (17:54):
Yeah, you know, I didn't get a chance to watch
the transcripts of what happened. I don't serve on that committee,
but hearing that the Democrats went after the whistleblowers, and
as you said at the top here, Democrats used to
love whistleblowers. They used to believe that that person worked
in the rank and file, that they should have something
to say if leadership is failing them. The leadership of
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the FBI is failing us in this country. We should
be hearing the whistleblowers, well.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
We should be, and they spoke out today, and predictably,
the Democrats attacked them and tried to smear them, just
as the FBI has been trying to do for speaking out.
I thought we had whistleblower protection laws in this country.
Do we no longer have them? That I miss the
rescinding of those laws.
Speaker 7 (18:39):
Well, represent Wasserman Schultz went so far as to say that, well,
these are not legitimate whistleblowers because FBI leadership says they're not.
Of course they are going to say they're not legitimate
whistleblowers because they're the people that are perpetrating the leadership
of the FBI, that is, that are perpetrating this on
the people of the United States. The dual system of justice.
(19:02):
We see another example day, the dual system of justice
in America.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I don't know what the answer is. Is the answer
now that we know that the FBI put their cinder
blocks on the scales of not one, but two consecutive
presidential elections. Obviously, in the case of giving Hillary Clinton
every break possible, imaginable, and yet leaning into something that
was never corroborated, a dirty Hillary Clinton bought and paid
(19:27):
for Russian disinformation dossier, and pushing a phony, false narrative
from the beginning. As we learned from the Durham Report
this week. You know, nobody seems to be held accountable
in the end. Congressman, why is that so?
Speaker 7 (19:41):
It's a great point that you're bringing up, and I
would propose the following things.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
The FBI has.
Speaker 7 (19:46):
A massive new building that is slated to be built
in Washington, DC. I believe we pulled cunning back from
that until we actually see reforms, Until the agency is reformed,
I think we use the appropriations process as we go
forward to defund those that are not doing their job.
(20:07):
Until we see reforms, a concrete plan of reform, we
shouldn't get them any more. We should we should inject
ourselves into the approach.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Okay, well, well, Chris Stpherferray, the FBI director, swore that
he implemented all the Inspector General's reforms. But yet here
the FBI had Hunter Biden's laptop in December of twenty nineteen.
It was authenticated, according to John Solomon by the spring
of twenty twenty, and yet FBI agents in the months
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leading up to the twenty twenty presidential election were meeting
weekly with every big tech company and according to testimony
in Missouri, that they were being warned that they might
be victims of a foreign misinformation campaign that might have
to do with issues involving Joe and Hunter Biden. So
then the Hunter Biden laptop story breaks the very real
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lap top uh and then it gets totally censored by
big tech who had been pre bunked by the FBI agents.
For muns on end, is that putting is that putting
their own influence on a presidential election? Seems like that.
Speaker 7 (21:13):
To me, no doubt about it. And if you read
the Durham Report, the Durham Report makes it very clear
if they have little confidence that they're going to enact
the reforms that need to be done on the FBI.
That's where Congress comes in, and we need to use
the power of the first We also need to use
the Home and Sean.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Well, you know, I'm looking at all of these issues
and I'm going to be I'm gonna be honest, I'm
not sure that we're going to get the changes that
are necessary because you know, at the end of the
Durham Report, which frankly, in my view, was three years
too late, with all that we now know and all
that we knew about, you know, all the lying to
fize the court judges, and all of the disinformation, and
(21:56):
all of the the accommodations given to Hillary Clinton and
the dual system of justice, as all things related to
Donald Trump. Does the FBI and the CIA should they
be having this type of involvement in our election process?
Speaker 7 (22:10):
No, we should not have that type of involvement. But
the one way in which we can affect us is
to use the power of the purse in Congress. We
need to have the fortitude to do that. We also
should be using the Holman holeman role. Can we can
take an employee of the government down to one dollar
their salary for a year down to one dollar And
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we need to do that with a few people to
send a very clear message. But I get it, Sean.
I hear from people at home all the time. They're like,
they just don't have any confidence that we're going to
be able to get to it. But I believe be
to the appropriations process, we got to be We got
to be brave like we've been so far with some
of this stuff that we've been doing in the House Representatives.
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We need to do the right thing for the American people.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Now, what's going to happen when Kevin McCarthy meets again.
I know that Joe Biden is in Japan. I guess
he's busy, probably falling asleep in meetings. But so he's
going to come back. He wasted nearly one hundred days,
ninety seven days he refused to meet with Kevin McCarthy's
said in the beginning, he refused to negotiate with Kevin McCarthy.
So you and the House House Republicans, it's the majority.
(23:16):
It's a small one, but it's the majority. Voted to
pass a debt ceiling increase bill that brings us back
to twenty twenty two spending levels, which I think is
very responsible. That also reduces baseline budgeting increases to a
maximum of one percent. That allows for more drilling so
we can be more energy independent. Good for national security
(23:39):
and job creation, and was scored out by the CBO
as saving four point eight trillion dollars in ten years.
And I'm tired of robbing our kids and grandkids blind.
So my question is, what's going to happen if if
Joe Biden assists on this change, that change, and then
another change, our House Republican is going to sign on
(23:59):
to that bill. I would tend to doubt it in
thirteen days.
Speaker 7 (24:03):
What I'm merging leadership to do is the whole firm.
We passed a responsible bill. I mean, in exchange for
the debt limit increase, the American people should get fiscal responsibility,
and that's exactly what we're doing, as well as the
pro growth policies that you mentioned, including work requirements, which
just passed by an eighty percent vote here in my
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home state of Wisconsin. We should be insisting that these
things are done. We should stand firm. We're the only
ones that have put together a responsible budget and we
need to stand tall now as the Democrats try to
beat us into submission that all just do a debt
sealing increase.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Well, they walked away for one hundred days. They wouldn't negotiate,
So you guys had no choice but to act on
your own. You passed a responsible debt sealing increase that
also stops the bleeding in terms of stealing money from
future generations. I'm not sure I would change the thing either.
And if Biden wants to, you know, in the end,
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be the first president to have a default on the country,
then that's up to him. He made that decision a
long time ago. And I'm going to tell you why, Congressman.
He was betting there was no way that all of you,
especially after all the votes to Speaker McCarthy across the
finish line. He was betting you would not unite. He
was betting that you'd never pass a bill, and he
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was betting that he'd get a clean debt ceiling bill
with no responsibility fiscal responsibility measures in it. You think
I'm wrong on that, Oh.
Speaker 7 (25:30):
No, No, that's exactly what they were thinking. And what
we should do now is if you don't want to
do this, then let's help the Annie. Let's include HR
two to Secure the Border Act. Let's put that in
there also. Now, the price tag does not get lower
if you're not going to negotiate for as ninety seven
days and you're thinking you're just going to be able
to steamroll us.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
No, well, I love the idea. Let me ask you
this question. It's an election question because it impacted the
state of Wisconsin, where you're from. And I'm making the
case that Republicans have got to be very careful. I
don't see Democrats running traditional campaigns anymore. They don't shake hands,
they don't kiss babies, they don't take selfies, they don't
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do press aveils, they don't do town halls. They spend
hundreds of millions of dollars on negative ads, and then
they have quote legal ballot harvesting efforts that have proven
very successful, especially in swing states. Now, if Republicans don't
adopt early voting, mail in voting and the same measures
and hopefully surpassing even the measures the Democrats have adopted
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with legal ballot harvesting, I think they'll lose elections that
they can win. The second thing is, you just had
an election for seat open on your Supreme Court and
the issue of abortion was front and center. And I
think Republicans, if they continue to run candidates. I'm not
trashing Doug Monstreano, but the fact that he had no
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exceptions for rape incests of the mother's life in Pennsylvania,
a purple state at best, was it was political suicide.
Do you think abortion played that big a role in
that in that Supreme Court race.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
It played a big role.
Speaker 7 (27:12):
But we also need to talk about we're not talking
about other things that affect women, especially crime. We do,
we've done some of that, but we also need to
talk about Title nine. Sean, I got three daughters, they
all participated interscholastic sports, and now men get to take
women's positions. We're not talking about that enough. And the
other thing we're not talking about enough is that every
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Democrat except one in the last Congress voted for abortion
on demand all the way up to nine months. People
don't know that, and we need to tell them that
Democrats are beyond extreme on abortion.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
No.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I couldn't agree anymore anyway. Congressman Tom Tiffany, Wisconsin. We
appreciate you being one of us. Please come back, check
out with US office and thank you.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Sean.
Speaker 7 (27:57):
Always good to join you.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Eight hundred nine four one on Sean if you want
to be a part of the program, right back to
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and Florida Jim. You're on the Sean Hannity Show. What's
going on?
Speaker 6 (28:10):
Thanks Shawan, Thank you so much for continuing to stand
firm in the faith. I'm calling you because of course
you're a believer.
Speaker 7 (28:17):
I'm a believer.
Speaker 6 (28:18):
We're kind of fond of America. And last time I
checked and pulled out a bill, it still says in
God we trust. My question is with the latest debacle
with the FBI and those funny words somebody said about, yeah,
we had a couple of missteps, Well, as the light
is being shined on them, it's becoming a parent that
there's been really some nefarious things afoot. So here's my
question to you.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
It took a.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
Few guys to stand up, a very few. If we
could get a few more, what is it three percent
started a revolution men, fifteen percent listened and it changed
America's history. If we could get twenty to thirty percent
of the FBI to say, you know what, there's something
awry here, there's something afoot. It's obviously not the foot
soldiers and the people out the field, but the upper
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management has got something going on. What do you say
to that.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
You know, I am seeing more and more that look,
there's a lot of factors in play here for somebody
to become a whistlebul or it does take a lot
of courage because you are risking your career and in
most cases, you're probably destroying any chance of advancement, especially
in an organization that is so so bureaucratic and so
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politicized as the FBI. And that's sad. You know, we
should be encouraging those people that have the bravery and
the courage to you know, hold true to the fidelity
of the Bureau's mission. I've said it all many, many times.
This was the world's premier law enforcement agency. It is
not anymore. I can't say that and believe it because
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it's not true. And it's unfortunate that, you know, we
have now weaponized the FBI, politicized the FBI, politicized the DJ.
We have a dual system of justice, and we don't
have equal justice or application of our laws. So yeah,
it's going to take It would take a lot of
people to make that happen, to make that biggest statement,
and maybe that'll happen one day.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
Well, a few people like you, Sean, doing the great
job you're doing. I would encourage my fellow Americans to
read the first two sentences the pre amble. Don't even
read the whole Constitution. Read the first two sentences of
the Constitution, right in there where it says established justice,
promote domestic or ensured domestic tranquility. I mean, just get
through the first two sentences and think about what our
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forefathers did when they signed the Constitution. Most of them
in the Decoration of Independence thought they were signing their
death one because they risked their life, their families, their
sacred honor, and their name. And by the way, they
have something that's very scarce now, a conscience, a godly
conscience that you and I grew up with. When we
swore an oath, it was to God.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Well, I can't say it any better. God, faith, family,
country boy. That would never lead us in the wrong direction,
would it. You know, it's really not that complicated.
Speaker 11 (31:02):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
These hearings will Blockbuster today, but just like the Duram Report,
they will ignore it.
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