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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, glad you with us. We are expecting it
should be happening any minute now. A decision on the
issue of charges in the shooting in Atlanta Rayshard Brooks case.
We'll go to that when that announcement takes place. Man,
I tell you this. I talking to a friend of
mine today and it's like, um, this year has been rough.

(00:21):
It's been rough on everybody. The worst pandemic YEP since
nineteen seventeen and nineteen eighteen. I never you know then
we had to all in horror the country watch what
happened to George Floyd can't happen. President laid out his
reforms as we told you yesterday. You know the amazing
thing about that is, you know, those are all things

(00:42):
that Joe Biden and Barack Obama could have done. They
did nothing. They didn't do any of these changes. Now
everyone's telling President Trump what to do and how he
needs to do it. Did they forget Cambridge and Baltimore
and Ferguson Missouri? Because it seems like they all did
forget it all. There's a rasp muse and poll that

(01:03):
should make every American pause and be sad. Frankly, that
was released yesterday, thirty four percent of likely US voters
think that the US will experience a second civil war
sometime in the next five years, and that includes on
nine percent of say it's very likely we are the

(01:27):
United States of America. Do we want to remain the
United States of America? Because I do believe it's the
greatest country God ever gave man. You know, we have
the ability to right wrongs, correct injustices. Why I wrote
my book Live Free or Die, with the history of
why we become the greatest wealth producing nation on the
face of the earth, and what is at stake when
you compare the Democrats twenty twenty Agenda, New Green Deal madness,

(01:51):
everything's free madness, everything's government run madness, get rid of
and eliminate all the you know, the lifeblood the economy,
oil and gas and coal gone forever. Okay, they're nuts
versus capitalism and liberty and risk and reward and ingenuity
of the American mind. You know. Put it in this context.

(02:13):
I said from the very beginning of the COVID breakout
that I have a lot of faith in our medical
scientists and researchers and medical professionals, and every indication is
and there was an article about this today. We'll get
an update actually on this today from doctor Oz. Bill
O'Reilly also joins us today. I mean the ability to

(02:34):
break down the sequence of coronavirus never happened this fast.
They did it weeks like six weeks, and now there
are that they believe it the latest that they might
be able to. Now Operation warp speed is what it's
called to deliver three hundred million doses of a vaccine
for any American that wants one. By the way, testing

(02:56):
I can tell you you can go anywhere and get
a test. In New York and pretty much every place
I've gone too, there's no line ever, you know, maybe
have to wait ten minutes. That's it. You go in,
you actually register yourself, You put in your insurance information
blah blah blah, and you know email address or phone number,
they send you over your results, text back to you whatever.
But anyway, the officials now saying that fourteen promising candidates

(03:20):
for a vaccine. Originally it was one hundred. They've no
sort of weeded it down to the fourteen best already
in clinical trials, and they're gonna now get it further
down to about the seven most promising candidates. All successful
vaccines will be approved by the FDA, and I'm hearing
it might even be sooner than January when that number

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is available. That's American ingenuity. That's what freedom gives you.
We have, Comrade the Blasio, I mean, I can't understand this.
Now there's a pushback about the president and the rally,
and every Democrat criticized, and the president he's having a
rally in Oklahoma. You know they're gonna have temperature checks everybody.
If you want to go to the rally, we'll have

(04:01):
to wear a mask and still nearly a million people,
and you have to sign a waiver that you understand
that there is a risk. It's been some resurgence in
about nineteen states. We'll talk to doctor Oz about it.
I go through anecdotally what I always say as well,
every store I went to, my grocery store, in particular,

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my rite Aid, my pharmacy, they never closed, They never
shut down. The medical professionals, those making all the ppe
equipment in the world, they kept working. They never shut down.
They kept New York and all of these states, New
Jersey and Pennsylvania, every state that was struggling alive and fed,

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and farmers and packers and drivers, truck drivers, and the
kids that stock the shelves, and the cashiers that would
check you out. I like the fast one to do
it myself. I just do it faster, and I don't
mind packing my own bags. I prefer to do it anyway.
It's all good. And then you got the hypocrisy. There's

(05:03):
been no talk of COVID during all of these protests.
Many peaceful people, but unfortunately the anarchists are there. The
troublemakers are there, the rioters. They go out and riot
and looting and arson, and eight hundred cops hurt, bottles, bricks, rocks,
molotov cocktails. Number dead, eight hundred injured, one guy in

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Vegas now paralyzed. But all of a sudden, now Trump
is having a rally. Now we're going to talk about COVID.
I guess the simple answer is is just to say
that it's not a rally, it's a protest. Then they
should have no problem with the president going to Oklahoma
on Saturday. Comrade de Blasio's out there every day. Sometimes
he'd got caught without his mask on, you know, driving

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to places he need not even drive, just to take
little walks and going late into this whole thing with
going to his gym, and he says that it's inappropriate
for kids to use playgrounds and reminds the virus fight.
This is the guy that's let anarch even rule the
streets in New York every night. Nobody listens to him
ever on his curfew. I mean, it's madness all over

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the place, and him and Cuomo, they're still fighting each other.
You can't even make it up. What's going on in
the city of the state of New York. Now, there's
been a lot of talk about, well, what should the
president do as it relates to I guess they've negotiated
it down that they're gonna only put up concrete barriers
instead of the walls that I thought were bad walls.

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Apparently it's okay to build walls if you're in the
autonomous free love Zone chops or chatz or whatever you're
calling it at any given moment, or you know, the
spaghetti pot luck zone. Funniest thing I ran on TV
last night is yea fake news CNN. Their reporters are
calling it. It's like a street festival and the people

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there here. The reporters say it's not a street festival,
correcting them right in the air, the people that are
in the autonomy zone, the free love zone. Then you
have the same thing with conspiracy tv MSDNC. They say
the same stupid thing, they get corrected live on television. No,
it's not this is a festival. And so now we

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have you know, it seems like the mayor's just aiding
and abetting. How long is it gonna go on? Well,
it could be the summer of love. Well, there are
residents that live in there, there are businesses in there,
and they're doing nothing to help restore law and order,
and they're enabling and helping the anarchists take over city blocks,

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and they're doing it basically with the seal of approval
of the governor and of the mayor. Well, then that
raises the question. The President every day has been going
out saying I am ready at a moment's notice to
give you the help you need to restore order. Now
my advice is, well, the people of Washington State, you
voted for this, just like the people in New York.

(08:04):
I look, I didn't vote for democratic rule all these years.
I live here because of my job. I'm hoping to
move one day soon and get out of here. Stop paying,
you know, the massive amount of taxes. And I don't
even think the Governor of New York, based on previous
comments he's made about conservatives, basically said you're not a

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New Yorker. Okay, I'll take him at his word. I
can live in a place with better weather, lower taxes,
cheaper housing. And I think having spoken with my staff
and radio and TV, they all love the idea. We've
all learned teleworking works not that hard. So and I
think that's all gonna be a game changer. So but

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the president, now, okay, he's offering help. They're supposed to
ask him for the help. He's begging them, and he's
offering the help. Illinois. Same thing, all the violence in Chicago.
Nobody's fixed over the years, you know, keep saying I'm
here to help whatever you need. Tell me what you need.
Just like during Corona, he built hospitals, he manned the hospitals,

(09:08):
he sent all the ventilators, all the ppe. I've given
you a little laundry list. We have good news on
the economy. I love the news yesterday. Perhaps that what
we've been talking about, what we wanted was the v
shape recovery. I'm seeing numbers that are really blowing me away.
Retail sales month of May. I didn't think we'd see

(09:28):
this kind of number any I didn't even know it
would be this large till maybe August, after we got
the July numbers, hoping that by then everything would be
open up. And you know, it's very slow still. In
a lot of states. They're gonna be hot spots. It's
not if it's when they're happening. We're dealing with them better.

(09:49):
We're going to have you know, there's going to be
little waves. We're dealing with them better. We're learning if
you protect the most vulnerable and the elderly. Is a
new study out of Great Britain as it relates to
what is a steroid? Not your typical story more in
the line, I guess pregnic Zone. It's not pregnic Zonne though,
but he'll tell us all about it. That once you're

(10:11):
in a state of respiratory unrest because of COVID nineteen,
that you know they're saving a third more lives. So
we're coming up which better treatments. They think they have,
the vaccine, All these things are going to happen. Great
news in terms of the jobs that were created, two
and a half million. They thought projected we lose what
nine million, They're only off by eleven and a half

(10:32):
million in their projections. Just like all the models and
projections how many would get coronavirus. It does bring into
a fine focus the president's instincts on quarantines and the
travel band ten days after the first known case. Anyway,
when you get retail sales month of May rising nearly
eighteen percent, Wow, that's amazing. Two and a half million

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jobs created in May, that's amazing. That is great for
everybody in this country. So in one hundred and thirty
nine days, this will all factor in, you know. And
then I watched Joe, and I watched Barack, and I
watch all the Democrats, and all they do is hate Trump,
as they've always done. And you know, they all had
an opportunity. You know what you know, Look, Ferguson happened

(11:18):
under the watch of Barack and Joe. What did they do? Nothing?
It's Cambridge nothing, other incidents nothing, they did nothing. What
did they do to improve police community relations? Nothing? I mean,
Chicago was in the news a lot in the eight
years that Barack and Joe or the leaders of government,
they barely mentioned it. You know, did they improve relations

(11:42):
after the riots and Ferguson or Baltimore, Maryland, any of
these They didn't do anything. They rushed to judgment, and
they often villified the police, which, by the way, has
to stop. What's happening in this this widespread, unending, unfair
vilification of police officers. That's not gonna end. Well, already

(12:05):
eight hundred, they're injured, some are dead, and some will
be paralyzed for the rest of their lives. You can't
do you can't demonize a group of people because of
the actions of a few. And I'm consistent in this
point of view. I said it about the FBI and
the deep state. Most people that are cops, they don't
get paid a lot. It's a hard, hard job. It's

(12:27):
a risky job. You're putting your life on your line
on the line. And what happens, by the way, when
you need the help, what are you gonna call. You're
gonna you're gonna call the autonomous zone of Summer of
Love street festival, carnival like atmosphere protesters to come help here.

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That's not gonna work. You know, we need the police now.
I like the improvements we're making. Joe and Rock did
nothing to make those changes. They had the same issues
when they were in office. You know, over four thousand
people killed in Chicago alone. What did they do there? Nothing?
Tens of thousands of others shot nothing. This is a
peaceful zone. This is part of the deep seated protests

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and rage around police brutality sent to which it has
been peaceful since Monday, after more than a week of
classes between the demonstrators and the police. Now you've seen
essentially almost like a street festival type atmosphere, street festival
type festbappes, you know, with a very festival with a
very intentional purpose. It is not a street festival. It
is not a street festival. Do not say that. Shame

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on you for saying that what you're seeing in front
of me is a peaceful situation. In fact, it sort
of looks like a street festival. Is this an area
that has been I mean, the president makes it sound
like this is an area that has been taken over
and is being ruled by you know, somebody, and you
know it is being ruled by by you know, by

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I don't know how we would describe them, everybody, everybody.
How long do you think Seattle and those few blocks
looks like this? I don't know. We could have a
summer of love. Tell that to the police who was
supposed to be in that precinct though. But I understand
your sentiment, Mayor. We don't have to sacrifice public safety
for First Amendment rights. Both can exist, and we'll make

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sure that both exists in Seattle. This is in public safety.
This is the taking over of your city. I mean, unbelievable.
I guess yesterday, I guess it was the mayor of Olympia, Washington.
It wasn't her talking about her house and how frightening
it is. Look, I'm just going to tell you something.
They're aiding and abetting this. Now. I think there's a trap. Now.

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Constitutionally we have been over the Insurrection Act eighteen o seven.
Now does the Insurrection Act give the president the authority
to send military troops or guardsmen? You know, you could
even send in other law enforcement agents. He's the problem
is Washington State doesn't want it, Nor does this nutty

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mayor want it. Neither does Chicago want it. Neither does
Comrade de Blasio or Governor Cuomo want it now. If
it gets to a point where the President has to
act as all of the constitutional authority to do so.
If a city or state refuses to take actions that
are necessary to defend the life and property of their residence,

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then he said, I will deploy the US military and
solve the problem for them. He doesn't want to do that.
He has the ability to do that. The Attorney General
acknowledges that he has the ability to do that. It
can be invoked. If there's insurrection against state law and
a state government requires federal assistance to restore order, he
can do all of that. It can be invoked. Now,

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let's all hope and pray that moment never comes, because
when it comes, we'll know when the moment is all right,
the case of Raychard Brooks in Atlanta we have. Now
we're gonna go to Paul Howard, the Fulton County, Georgia
DA announcing the charges. Before we started today, I wanted

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to acknowledge missus Miller, who is the husband of Rashard Brooks.
She is here today with her attorney, and after we
make our presentation, she is going to make some remarks
or mister Stewart. We also have with us today three

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witnesses from West Memphis, Tennessee, and they are here with
their lawyer, Sean Williams, and we are also going to
ask mister Williams to address you as well. So we

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have decided to issue warrants in this case to day.
I have with me copies of the warrants and after
my presentation, we will let you know how you can
get copies of the warrants to date. So the question

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is asked, why were we able to charge this case now?
So I want to explain that we have already had
an opportunity to speak with three of the witnesses in
this case, and those are the three witnesses who were

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from West Memphis, Tennessee. We have had an opportunity to
conduct interviews with seven other witnesses other than the three
witnesses from Tennessee. We've also had an opportunity to view
let's see if you can turn it on? Gets ye?

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So Tracy, that's fine. So we have had an opportunity
to review eight video tapes to Atlanta body cam tapes
to Atlanta police. We have also had an opportunity to
review a windy surveillance tape. We have also viewed three

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citizens cell phone videos. With many of the videos, we
had the opportunity to enhance the videos so that we
could get a better look. The other thing that we
have had an opportunity to do is to view some
of the physical evidence. The Chevrolet Trailblazer was a vehicle

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that was in the line at Wendy's on the night
of this incident and it received a shot from Officer
Roth's gun. We've had an opportunity, along with the GBI
now to view that trailblazer. My office has had an
opportunity to inspect the crime scene. We have conducted a

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canvas of the area. We started our investigation at about
one fifteen am on Saturday morning, and we have been
working on this case around the clock since that time.
Because of the next line, we have spent some time
examining the taser evidence in this case. We've actually examined

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and possessed the two tasers that were used. We have
also had an opportunity to examine the taser logs that
are prepared as the tasers are used, and we have
also consulted with a taser expert from the company that
manufactures the tasers. We received a preliminary medical autopsy, we've

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received a preliminary ballistics report, and in reaching our conclusions today,
we have worked with both the Georgia Bureau of Investigation
as well as the Atlanta Police Department. This will be
the fourth time that we have asked that arrest warrants

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or issued in a case before an indictment. This list
the other three cases that we were involved with where
an a rest warrant was issued prior to indictment. Unfortunately,
this marks the fortieth prosecution of police officers from misconduct

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here in our county, and this is the ninth time
that we've prosecuted a homicide case committed by a police officer.
Eight of those cases involved black males, and one of
those cases involved a black female. So in reaching our decision,

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there were some considerations that we considered important and one
of the things that we noted from our evaluation was
that mister Brooks on the night of this incident was calm,
He was cordial and really displayed a cooper prative nature. Secondly,

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even though mister Brooks was slightly impaired, his demeanor during
this incident was almost jovial. Also, we noted that he
received many instructions from the Atlanta officers and he was
asked many questions. Some of the questions he was asked repeatedly,

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but for forty one minutes in seventeen seconds, he followed
every instruction, he answered the questions. The fourth thing we
noted is that mister Brooks was never informed that he
was under arrest for driving under the influence, and this

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is a requirement of the Atlanta Police Department. When one
is charged with the DUI. The Atlanta Police Department's own
procedures required that that person is informed immediately that they
are under arrest. And then he was and then he
was grabbed from the rear by Officer Roth, who made

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an attempt to physically restrain him. After the forty one
minute and seventeen second discussion, we concluded and considered it
as one of our important considerations that mister Brooks never
presented himself as a threat. At the very beginning, he

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was peacefully sleeping in his car. After he was awakened
by the officer, he was cooperative and he was directed
to move his car to another location. He calmly moved
his car. Mister Brooks was asked whether or not he
had a weapon, He indicated that he did not. Without

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any resistance. He passed his driver's license to the officers,
and the officers then asked mister Brooks whether or not
he would consent to a pat down a body search,
and mister Brooks allowed them to search him, and the
search yielded no weapon. We found that it was of

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interest that when the officers patted mister Brooks down they
noticed there was a bulge in his pants. They did
not pull that item out of his pocket. They took
mister Brookes's word that that bulge represented a number of
dollar bills. But mister Brooks never displayed any aggressive behavior

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during the seventy forty one minutes in seventeen seconds. Now,
this is another important consideration that we discovered as we
evaluated this case. Once mister Brooks was shot, there is
in Atlanta policy that requires that the officers have to

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provide timely medical attention to mister Brooks already anyone who
is injured. But after mister Brooks was shot, for some
period of two minutes and twelve seconds, there was no
medical attention applied to mister Brooks. But when we examined

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the video tape and in our discussions with witnesses, what
we discovered is during the two minutes and twelve seconds
that Officer Roff actually kicked mister Brooks while he laid
on the ground while he was there fighting for his life. Secondly,

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from the videotape, we were able to see that the
other officer, Officer Broslan, actually stood on mister Brooks's shoulders
while he was there struggling for his life. We were
able to conclude that, based on the way that these

(26:11):
officers conducted themselves while mister Brooks was lying there, that
the demeanor of the officers immediately after the shooting did
not reflect any fear or danger of mister Brooks, but
their actions really reflected other kinds of emotions. So as

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we are drawing our legal conclusion in this case, we
were led by the two foundational cases in this matter,
one being Tennessee versus Garner, and what that case points
out is when an officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect,

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that the officer may not use force to prevent escape
unless the officer has probable cause to believe that the
suspect poses an immediate threat of death or of serious
physical injury to that officer. The next foundational case that

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we use in our analysis is Graham versus Connor, which
says that this test is based upon that of a
reasonable officer on the scene and not the individual officer,
but a reasonable officer on the scene. We've concluded at

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the time mister Brooks was shot that he did not
pose an immediate threat of death, our serious physical injury
to the officer, our officers. If you would get the photograph,
the thetation, that's good here, all right, par stations along

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the Sean Hannity Show Network, We're gonna stay with our
coverage here. And if you're listening uh to specifically the
DA of Fulton County, Georgia, Paul Howard Junior talking about
the case of this region shooting a Raychard Brooks. Let's
go back to this bitness. Photograph illustrates is the point

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that Officer A Raw at this point were aspiring matagor
and this is missus Brooks who was firing matagor as well,
but I don't knew if you can see it clearly
the prongs of the table the teager we're actually fired
above Officer Ross head might also look at the position

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of officers Row in mister Brooks that they are here
next to this red automobile. If we look at the
next photograph Tramp, than if we look at the next photograph,

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we'll see that the positions of both parties they've changed.
Mister Brooks has now moved away from hi original position,
and we estimate the distances probably about twelve feet and
Officer Roth has moved about ten feet from the position

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in what is our exhibit number one. This second video
or second still shows the very instance that the shot
was fired into the back of mister Brooks, and we
have also calculated the distance and the distance that they

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are part of that time was eighteen feet three inches
at the time that this shot was fired. So based
upon that information, we have concluded that mister Brooks was
running away at the time that the shot was fired.

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Mister Brooks was shot twice the back. One of the
shots was a center shot to the back that penetrated
his heart, and it was done by a nine millimeter block. Now,
one of the things that we also relied upon in
our conclusion is something that is called under the law,

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or referred to as an excited utterance, and that's when
someone makes an immediate statement and because it is made
without the ability to consult with counsel or to think
about it, under the law of an excited utterance is
considered as highly reliable. And at the time that the

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shot was fired, the utterance made by Officer Roff was
I got it. That was a statement that was made
at that time. We also noted that Officer Roff was
firing a taser at mister Brooks. The City of Atlanta

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SOPs in fact prohibit officers from firing tasers at someone
who is running away. So the City of Atlanta says,
you cannot even fire a taser at someone who is
running away. So you certainly can't fire a gun, a
handgun at someone who is running away. So, in addition

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to our findings, as many of you all already know,
that the Atlanta mayor, Mayor Keisha Bottoms and the Police
Department concluded that Officer Roth's actions were excessive and in
violation of APD's SOPD. As an SOP I believe it's

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four point one point one, and after their analysis that
the actions were excessive, Officer Roth was fired. We have
also concluded that Roth was aware that the taser in
Brooks's possession, that it was fired twice, and once it's

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fired twice, it presented no danger to him. Are there
any other persons? Now, we have had something quite remarkable
to happen, and it involves the testimony of the other officer,
Devin Brosden. Because Officer Brosden has now become a state's witness,

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he has decided to testify on behalf of the state
in this case. What he has said to us, that is,
within a matter of days, he plans to make a
statement regarding the culpability of Officer Roth, but he indicated
that he is not psychological willing to give that statement

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to date. Officer Brosdon, however, has admitted that he was
in fact standing on mister Brooks's body immediately after the shooting.
So these are the charges that we have had fili

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day signed by one of our superior court judges. These
are the eleven charges against Officer Roth. The first charge
is felony murder. This is a death that is as
a result of an underlying felony, and in this case,
the underlying felony is aggravating the salt with a deadly weapon,

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and the possible sentences for a felony murder conviction would
be life, life with our parole or the death penalty.
Now he's also charged by in the rest warrant with
aggivated assault with a deadly weapon, and this is an

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account charging him for the shooting of mister Brooks, and
the possible sentence for aggivated assault is one of the
twenty years. The second or the third aggivated assault account
is for the shooting towards our in the direction of
mister Melvin Evans. Mister Evans was the person who was

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seated in the car. We have the picture of mister
Hope and if you would point out this automobile is

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the place that mister Evans and his two companions were
driving and the shot was fired, and I believe we've
also got a photo of the shot that ended up
in the vehicle. Thank you. Gotta standing up. And so

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with count um four, uh with at who was in
I think a little difficulty there. As soon as we
get the audio back, uh, if you're just joining us,

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Uh wow, just unfolding really and in live time before
our eyes here and that was Paul. All right, we
have the audio back. Paul Howard, Junior, Pulton County DA
towards or in the direction of Michael Perkins. Mister Perkins
seated in the rear of this same vehicle at that time.

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There's a charge for criminal damage for shooting into that vehicle. Also,
Officer Roff is also Officer Roff is charged with seven
violations of office. Each one of those carries a one
to five sentence. These are violations of his oath of
office for the City of Atlanta, arresting mister Brooks for

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the d UI without immediately informing him of the arrests,
shooting a taser at mister Brooks while he was running away,
which again is a violation. All right, uh wow, if
you're just joining us, a lot to go through here.
That's Paul Howard, Junior, Fulton County, Georgia District Attorney saying

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a lot there. The second officer, not the one that
fired the shot, apparently is turned state witness. There are
eleven specific charges in this case, and starting with felony murder,
aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, possible life sentence for
Officer Rolf. All right, glad you with us, Howard too,
Sean Hannity Show, We start with the breaking news. Now

(38:13):
there's a question and answer period. The DA of Fulton
County in Georgia, Paul Howard, has now announced these charging
officer Garrett Rolf that is the officer in this Wendy's
parking lot shooting that took place with eleven counts including
felony murder, aggravated assault, criminal damage to property, violations of

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his oath. Officer Devon Bronson is being charged with aggravated
assault and two violations of his oath of office. The
DA said they were able to interview several witnesses to
the shooting, as well as eight videos that recorded the incident,
including the surveillance, the bodycams, personal cell phones of people

(38:59):
that were there a witnesses. He said that they have
examined the tasers stun guns used. I never had an
answer to this question to shoot once or twice. That
was resolved, that shot twice. He talked also about the
officers failing to render aid, which by law they need
to do as quickly as possible, and it took two

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minutes and twelve seconds. He talked a lot about the
original time lapse in this forty one minute, seventeen seconds
and That was a point that I made in my
analysis of this is that up until the moment when
the officers tried to cuff in this particular case, Raychard Brooks,

(39:41):
everything was fine. Everyone's seeing professional, courteous. It was even
a rapport established. In the case of officer the second officer,
Devon Bronson, he had said, I'm sorry to hear about
your mother's death. We just got to do this. Make
it's make sure it's okay for you to drive. Then
as that moment everything changed. There's a lot of other,

(40:05):
you know, other issues involved in this. We're gonna get
to our legal panel here in just a second, but
the two minutes twelve seconds. He also I had not
heard this by anybody before the DA, claiming that the
one the officer involved in the actual shooter shooting incident,
Officer rolf had actually kicked mister Brooks as he was

(40:26):
on the ground. Officer Bronson said he stood on mister
Brooks's shoulder. Not sure exactly what that is, but you
gotta understand here, when we're talking about the charges eleven total,
and that they're charging him for felony murdered, that could
be a life. That could be life if you talk

(40:47):
about the second charge, aggravated assault in that particular charge,
now you're talking about one. I'm sorry, you're literally now
one to twenty years. That's aggravated assault with a deadly weapon,
criminal damage to property, violation of oath. Now the biggest
I think the most interesting development to me in this

(41:11):
is that the second officer, Devin Bronson, apparently has turned
to state witness says he will make a statement on
the culpability of Officer Rolf who was the actual actually
involved in the shooting, did admit that he stood on
his shoulder after the shooting. I'm sure there's video of
that and anyway here to break down this from a

(41:33):
legal point of view, we bring in David Shoon's Civil
Liberties Attorney board member. By the way, Alabama Civil Liberties
Union former board member Leo Terrell, civil rights attorney is
with us Vince Ellison, conservative columnist, lecturer, author of the
book They Iron Triangle. Leo, I'm gonna start with you today.
A lot of times in these cases, you know, we

(41:55):
have what we call overcharging, right, I think that And
it was an interesting post on Twitter by by Jonathan Turley,
a friend of mine said and talking about this specific
case and what he was saying, the new evidence is
important and any abuse following the shooting could be a
basis for different charges. He talks about Tennessee v. Gardner.

(42:19):
You know, would would would focus on the actual shooting itself,
and you have a wide variety of charges here, and
that Gardners would be focused on the shooting, not the
abuse following the shooting. But now that the other officer
is a state witness that will testify against Rolf, that's

(42:39):
Bronson against Wolf, I agree with him, that could be
a game changer. Under the case law in the area,
it would otherwise be a lot tougher for the prosecution.
Now there will be a jury of twelve people that
will ultimately now make these decisions. And in other cases
we've seen and we've witnessed this over the years, Leo,

(43:00):
and if you overcharge, you take a great risk in
doing so. What are your thoughts, Well, Sean, you did
a great summary of this and I got twenty five
years of police miss conduct cases and I'll tell you
right now very clearly, first of all, overcharging, no question
about it. Tennessee Gardner is in play. Is the case
that basically concerns what was in Rows state of mind.

(43:23):
The other officer can't tell the jury what was in
Rows state of mind when he fired those shots. Let's
also remember that mister Brooks, when he was running, he
was a flee seller himself, and that's gonna be played
because he assaulted those officers, took the officers stun gun
and start running. So he is a flee feller. Not

(43:44):
like the situation we have in the Floyd case. This
case is totally separate. So there's a lot of facts
of the district attorney did not talk about, and of
course he did not make any reference or any statements
as to what was in officers rows state of mind
because he doesn't know what I'm saying. Well, he did
try to say. He tried to imply with his immediate

(44:04):
what they call utterance when he said, apparently on tape,
I got him. You don't know. I don't know how
you interpret that word I got him other than meaning
that he aimed and he shot and he didn't miss
or something like that. I mean, you can interpret it
a million ways. In my view, you're rate that statement
I got him. He's that after he failed. Down Again,

(44:28):
we're talking about what led up to him firing that weapon.
What did he see? What did he see or did
he fear? For example, that he thought that he was
going to be shot with the stun gun, that he
was going to be overpowered, and this guy was going
to take his his gut weapon from him. There is
a variety of different factors. Let me sum up by

(44:50):
saying that this is a jury fact question overcharge. I
think they weigh overcharged selling the murdered. That meant that
basically the officer was committee felony as he was pursuing
him with his gun and shot it regardless. There's one
other interesting thing that he said. Under Georgia law, you're
not allowed to fire a taser at anyone running away. Well,

(45:11):
there might be a mitigating circumstance, that being that he
turned around and I believe from what I saw, fired
the taser in the direction of the officer. He made
another statement that Officer Rolf was aware that the taser
had been fired twice. I've been waiting to hear how
many times that taser could be fired again. There will

(45:33):
be a defense and a defense attorney that is going
to challenge all of that. Let me let me follow up.
I saved that you have had a lot of experts
on your show, a lot of police experts who are
going to justify this officer's conduct. And let me tell
you right now, Georgia state law is one thing. But
that US Supreme Court case that you keep mentionedy the
listeners should know Tennessee versus Gardner and Graham versus Connor.

(45:56):
Those cases control everything. Shote bomb line, tough case. Either
he will overcharge. And let's not forget the DA is
up for reelection. Let's go to David Shoon, your defense attorney.
This is what you do. How do you look at
the case, the charges, and everything else in between. Yeah,

(46:16):
I suppose I agree and disagree with some of what
mister Treille said. First of all, the Cousti charge felony murder,
the officer's state of mind is not directly relevant. That
is what they One advantage the government has is they
don't have to prove malice under Georgia law. The statue
read sixty and five to one s person commits defensive
felony murder. A commission of a felony causes the death
of another without irrespective of malice. I think it's an

(46:40):
overcharge because it shouldn't have been charged a felony murder.
They had to struggle at first. The felony murder has
to be an assault was committed something like that. The
key here it's a self defense case from the defense standpoint,
and the bad facts though for that is that he
was shot in the back. A taser can be considered
a deadly weapon. If he fired the taser the officer,
and the officer convinces the jury he feared for his life,

(47:02):
then the officer could win Tennessee versus. Gardner says, you
can't just shoot a fleeing felon. You have to believe
that he was posed an immocent, imminent danger to yourself
or to a third. Okay, based on the tape as
you see it. From a legal perspective, again, you're a
defense attorney, a civil rights attorney like Leo. When the when,
when in fact they turned and shot the taser? Does

(47:25):
that then make the standard? In other words, this is
a legal question, does that legally warrant turn in? It
can turn in a matter of seconds if he's facing him,
and that's when the cops shoots. The cop has a
lot better case Once he turned. The forensic shows he
shot him in the back. He was running away. Apparently
we don't know that yet. A different forensic law says

(47:46):
you're not allowed to fire a taser and anyone running away.
That's yeah, that's the law, by the way, around the country,
there are a number of cases it say, as long
as the person did no longer posed and spend his threat,
you can't even fire a taser at him. It sounds counterintuitive,
but that's the law. I had a case in Alabama
in which guy was running away and the cop understood

(48:07):
the law to be because he had committed a felony,
he could shoot him. He shot him and killed him.
That cop ended up becoming our best witness because that
was a mistaken policy. The jurisdiction hadn't changed it after
Tennessee versus Gardner Vince Ellison. I know you're not an
attorney by background. We have a lot of horrific things
that we've been watching going around the country. Universally, everyone's

(48:29):
condemned what happened to George Floyd. Very different case here,
still sad and tragic, and he just you know, if
you go all that time, forty one minutes and seventeen seconds,
and everyone was professional courteous, respectful, and it's so sad
all of it to me. Well, those two, the two

(48:50):
lawyers who have gave great, great analysis. Here's the political analysis.
Those officers didn't have a chance. They saw the mob
in that last and they were going to charge them
no matter what. That is the political landscape the guy
got But let me, let me, let me play Devil's advocate.

(49:11):
I'm playing it on both sides now, okay, But he
got shot twice in the back. Is it if you're
not allowed to fire a taser at anyone running away,
the guy turns back and shoots it, they're gonna have
to prove that he knew that it had been fired twice.
I didn't know whether it had one or two shots
at that moment. Is that? Does that meet the legal standard?

(49:32):
In other words? In other words, that you believe there's
a real threat of physical injury. Well, for my law
enforcement experience, you know, I was a corressonal officer. I
think I've done I don't think officers should have to
take any type of punishment. I think he chose to
turn around and shoot at the officer. The officer, whatever

(49:53):
his mind, will have to testify as that. But politically,
it did not matter what happened. Those officers are going
to go down. That ain't the biggest game changers. The
other officers, attorney, state witnesses, announced by the DA, by
the prosecutor. I'll tell you, I'll tell you what I'm
troubled by that. First of all, I said, Ellison is
absolutely right. But I'll tell you what I'm troubled by.
The prosecutor here went well beyond what he's entitled to

(50:14):
do under the rules of ethics, both the American Bar
Association Standards for the prosecution and George's rules of ethics.
He cannot align himself exclusively with the victim, throw the
cop under the or any any defendant under the bus,
and then host a press conference for a great lawyer. Yeah,
I mean that was all right. Stay on that point,
David Leo Terrell, David shown Vince Ellison. More on the

(50:38):
other side, Bill O'Reilly. Today we are one hundred and
thirty nine days out of an election. We'll get to
that doctor oz on whether or not it's a second
wave of COVID, And as we roll along eight hundred
and nine four one, Sean, you want to be a
part of the program, Bill O'Reilly at the bottom of
the hour. Yeah, we still do have an election in
one hundred and thirty nine days. We'll get us take
on that. Also, we'll check in with doctor Oz, the rise, COVID,

(51:00):
protest rallies and everything in between. But the Fulton County
District Attorney Paul Howard announcing that the officer in the
Atlanta shooting at the Wendy's Park a lot now has
well been charged with many separate issues, including felony murder
aggravated assault. Could be a life or even a death

(51:21):
penalty case. Anyway, all right, we don't have a lot
of time, David. The point you were making on this,
and I don't want to get Leo's take. Yeah, the
point I was making is the prosecutor went way overboard
today in holding this press conference and hosting a victim's lawyer.
He has to be neutral. The public depends on it,
The integrity system depends on it. These two experts have

(51:41):
told you like it is. Mister Ellison is right. Politically,
it's a tough political climate. Mister Terrell is an expert
in police misconduct. He knows about people running away. He
demanded an investigation nineteen ninet nine in the Mitchell case
for that. So he's calling it straight for you, but
the prosecutor's got to be neutral. What's tough in this
case is it's tough to beat forensics in the back.
Is a tough, tough way to go with self defense.

(52:03):
And you've got his fellow officer turning state's witness in
this case. Leo, I agree with thanks David from the comments,
and I agree. Look, this was this was a performance.
He was arguing. The district attorney was arguing his case
before the public. He argues his case in the court
of law, and that today was well beyond just laying
out the facts, what I think is also very important.

(52:25):
That gives a defense attorney now and opportunity. If I'm
a defense attorney, I'm loving it. But I'm just saying
from an ethical standpoint, as David point out, totally inappropriate.
Totally inappropriate. And I guarantee you this case is going
to take place six seven months down the line after
the elections, totally political motivated in this climate overcharge. Vince

(52:46):
Sellison thoughts, yeah, man, they they're allowing mob rule to
dictate justice. And you found the brave people in times
like these We've seen the old Westerns where lynch mob
comes to a jail to take a guy and hang him,
and the sheriff stands here by yourself with one gun
and back them all up. We don't have that anymore

(53:07):
these people, look, you know, but ultimately this is where
it goes. Vince. You you gotta convince a jury of
twelve beyond a reasonable doubt. Leo David, the lawyers you
agree that's a high standard, right, Oh, yes, okay, you
want all you needs one? All right? So with that
in mind, Vince, you know this this will play out.

(53:29):
Justice will be the process are The process is the punishment.
They filed these men, they slanted their names, they destroyed
their reputation, and so the process is gonna be a
grueling one. And they're gonna put thisiness between this and
what happened. And they were afraid of the mob playing
this something. They know what they do is wrong, but
they're cowards and they've been doing this for years in
these democratics. I think you're talking to sort of a

(53:50):
political argument. I'm looking at the legal side. It is
gonna be what it's gonna be. It's gonna be twelve
people on a jury that decide. All right, Vince, thank you, David,
thank you, Leo, Thank you Leo, and t V tonight.
Thank you. Now, getting back to your first question, which was,
what about months or so or two or three ago
when people were saying, you don't really need to wear
a mask. Well, the reason for that is that we

(54:12):
were concerned the public health community and many people were
saying this, were concerned that it was at a time
when personal protective equipment, including the N ninety five masks
and the surgical masks, were in very short supply, and
we wanted to make sure that the people, namely the
healthcare workers who are brave enough to put themselves in

(54:34):
a harm way to take care of people who you know,
were infected with the coronavirus and the danger of them
getting infected, We did not want them to be without
the equipment that they needed, all right, Well, not everybody
had to have an N ninety five mask. Look, I
use this one anecdote over and over and over and

(54:54):
over again. Had a conversation with a woman at my
local grocery store, and I see the same guys in
the shelves, same cashiers every week, and in my particular
grocery store, my particular pharmacy, nobody ever got COVID. Everybody
wore a mask. I didn't see many people within ninety
five masks on. I saw a couple, but not many.
So I'm at face shields even but nobody in either

(55:16):
store got it now, doctor Fauci. And it's not a criticism.
This was evolving. We were all led to We've got
over everybody's timeline. The worst decision made by the four
governors in New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Michigan, and
that was they didn't protect the vulnerable. So I'm not
blaming doctor Fauci. But you know, and I know some

(55:37):
of you are upset that I say, just wear the masks,
let's open, let's open safely. And I get it. Maybe
I certainly have a different perspective, but it worked, And
that anecdote for me is very powerful because at the
epicenter of this virus, the guys that were in the stores,
seeing the most amount of people every day never got it,

(55:59):
not one, and they all wore masks, most wore gloves.
So for me, I like to learn from the things
that worked and we did well and adjust and change
the things that we did wrong. Now with that said,
you know, nobody was talking about COVID nineteen at all
on the left when the protests which still are going

(56:20):
on and a city blocks now taken over, and even
some of the politicians. We're out there marching with no
social distancing at all, and not everybody at a mask
during these protests. But now that Donald Trump is going
to have a rally in Oklahoma this weekend, now we're
back to talking about how it can't be safe. So

(56:42):
my humble suggestion is the President just needs to call
it a protest and then I guess they'll be fine
with it. But by the way, everybody will have a
mask on at the rally. Probably the president will not
because he will be completely social socially distant. Anyway, here
to weigh in and update us, they're now about nineteen states.
I always said it's if not when. I'm sorry, it's

(57:04):
when not if that we're going to have hot spots.
We've seen them and we've dealt with a number of
them very successfully. We bring back our medical a team
that conan only one thing, doctor, sir, how are you
so I'm doing well? You know, it's interesting we look
at the expectations we've all crafted. And just to follow
up on what you were saying, the Swedish Minister of

(57:25):
Health and the folks who crafted their program to keep
the country open always made one really poignant point and
there's nothing you can say about it except they're right,
which is, yes, we didn't shut down. The rest of
the world's mostly shut down. We get the difference, and
our country is okay, we're doing. Your country's okay with
what you're doing. But one day you're going to have
to open. And when you do open, you're basically can

(57:47):
be using our model, the Swedish model. So now we're
the Swedish model. We're opening up many parts of the country.
You're pretty wide open, but we've got to deal with it.
The way Sweden dealt with them, how did they get
through this without a catastrophe. They doubled down on social distancing,
wearing masks. People just acted responsibly and calmly towards each other. Day.
By the way, also had a problem in the nursing

(58:08):
homes you mentioned the four states that really got hit hard.
That's when are we just cannot compromise. I went to
a nursing home in New Jersey which is what my
home is. A friend of mine actually runs a couple
and I wanted to see what it looks like, what
are the real issues, and he and all the people
may the nursing one was lit. Was livid that for
a while they had been forced and up more important
to other facilities that really worked up to escape because
they didn't know how to actually deal with COVID nineteen.

(58:30):
Were forced to take COVID nineteen patients and that led
you half to deaths in New Jersey, New York. Being
from in nursing homes, you know, I gotta sing your praises,
and I know you don't like when I do this,
but I'm going to be mean into it anyway. So
a close friend of my sisters, a woman that happens
to be in her fifties as kids, she had COVID

(58:52):
really bad. She was on a ventilator for over six
weeks maybe I think six and a half. At one
point she had a track put in. I mean it
was it was touch and go for a long period.
And doctor Oz checked in regularly with the doctors that
were working on the case her case, offering advice, suggestions, help, assistance,

(59:17):
anything you could do. And she's now home, she's got
rehab to go through. You know a lot of a
lot of difficulties if you're in a hospital bed nearly
two months like that. Um, but you're a rock star
and I know many other cases where you did the same.
And when I said you aren't sleeping during this you
aren't sleeping during this time. Thank you for that keeping

(59:38):
Sean Hannity hours because a lot of a lot of
the effort was almost giving pep talks to the caregivers
because it's it is emotionally incredibly draining when you're desperately
trying to financers and there's no textbook. In fact, the
reason that I'm so happy today is because of this
dex metho zone study that came out of the UK.

(59:58):
And just for everyone who I have missed it, this
an important deal. Next methods is a simple steroid. It's
not the kind you used to build muscles. It's the
one we use for allergies and inflammation and lupus by
the way, just like hydrog ychloroquine. And they found that
they could use it in people who were already having
trouble breathing. So you don't use it early in the
case the way you make other medications. This is designed
for people who already on oxygen, in which case they

(01:00:20):
cut depths by a fifth, or if you had a ventilator,
in which as you know, Sean had a very high mortality,
especially early on. They cut depths in UK by a
third if they gave a simple, easy, inexpensive, accessible drug,
and so it's not the standard or care. Twenty four
hours later in the UK, most American centers were already
experimenting with it. We were trying to give it to
patients like our mutual friend and others, just trying to

(01:00:43):
buy time to the bodies of the overreaction to the
virus could be mitigated. But this gives us, and other
advances like this give us a little bit more breathing
room because for the vast majority of people who get
sick and don't have risk factors like obesity and hypertension,
iabtes the kinds of things that we'd make them called
vulnerable for the CDC. But if you're not vulnerable, you

(01:01:05):
don't get them into the hospital. Ninety five percent of
hospital admissions are vulnerable. Eighty percent of people who die
over the age of sixty five. The average death age
is eighty. So we know who's at list, keep them
out of the way, protect them, and you can copy swedeen,
which is what we're doing now, and and do reasonably
well not perfect good data vaccine, but you know, we

(01:01:27):
can get through this if we do that. You know,
we've had all these protests going on now for a
couple of weeks. We do have states now that are
seeing hotspots come up, nineteen or twenty of them. Numbers
are not like what happened at the peak of all
of this by any stretch, you know, but we're seeing
this happen. What will the protests, you know, what will

(01:01:50):
the aftermath of that likely teach us or show us?
And not just the protest, then the other the bad
part of it which led to rioting are saluting and
all other behavior. But there was no social distancing. There
were many without masks. And you know, what are we
going to learn from all of this? And what do
you make of this increase of incidents in some states? Well,

(01:02:15):
you know that nineteen states, as you mentioned, have an increase,
but seven have a sixty percent or greater increase over
the past week. That's a meaningful things. Just focus on
those seven and four of those have increased hospitalization. So
that's where the rule issues are. I mean, there's no question.
I don't think you can argue that the protests are
going to result in more cases. Hopefully they're younger people,

(01:02:35):
so they don't pay a significant price generally, and hopefully
because they are outdoors, the virus get spread around, so
if they were wearing a mask, it reduces a chance
of them having a problem. Outdoor activities are much less
problematic because you don't have a small, unventilated room where
one person who's got virus coming out of their mouth
spreads to everybody else. However, just to be concrete about it,

(01:02:55):
Mary de Blasio today says we're not going to for
sure open up New York City to the next stage
on Monday, even though we're supposed to, if you know,
the numbers are perfect in terms of following guidelines, because
he's worried that because of the protests, you might see
the increase cases. So even if it doesn't actually do anything,
the fact that our leadership is considering it as as
a factor that may impact whether we open or not,

(01:03:15):
it's a problem in New Jersey. I mean, I went
out with my son to play tennis yesterday, and the
parks are still closed, and I'm sort of stunned and
thinking about me how it's not possible. I don't understand.
There's no defensible medical reason. I don't think to keep
a park closed. So in a beautiful June afternoon, kids
can't go out and play, except that you're trying to

(01:03:35):
do things just in case something bad is about to hit.
And that's where I feel that, even though you know
we should be equal across the board, we may be
paying a price already, even if we don't see a spike,
you know. I look, all of that is true, but
again we go to the most vulnerable population, those who
have compromised immune systems underlying health conditions. Older people certainly

(01:03:56):
more than younger people. That is pretty much health steady,
so that they really have to take the extra precautions.
And one of the reasons I know I haven't made
much progress on this, but I guess maybe with the
President's rally that has taken place, they had almost a
million people want to go to this thing, and I
think that's room for a couple hundred thousand, so it's

(01:04:17):
gonna be a lot of people. But all the people
will be asked to have masks. Everybody's going to go
through a temperature check. These are things that you and
I discussed about opening stadiums. Everyone's saying, Okay, you know
the risk, you're accepting the risks, and you have to
abide by the guidelines they're putting out there. What are
your thoughts? Well, I don't I don't think it's wise

(01:04:38):
to get people to expose themselves to potential infected individuals.
You know, certainly be outdoors to the best you can,
to stay with everybody else. And for sure, if you're
one of the folks who has a risk factor that
makes you vulnerable, if you overweight, if you're hypertensive, if
you're diabetic, you've got chronic lung issues, you should not

(01:05:00):
attend the rally because God forbid, someone that you walk by,
and it's not necessarily the person that needs you're standing
next to. It could be someone you know getting into
the portal tip wherever this place the thing is going
to be held, could invect you and you might have
to be getting infection there, but you're not going to
know it. Here's the question, Sean. Five days later, you
wake up and you got a little sore throat. I mean,
you have COVID nineteen or not. Right, You're gonna be

(01:05:20):
in your mind thinking maybe I have COVID nineteen. Now
you're destroying quality of life for people and getting folks panicked,
and when it they're appropriately socially distancing, they don't. The
thing that gives you the most peace of mind is
I do everything I can, and I'm out as bad
as you are. I mentioned I was a nursing home.
I went to the Cash Valley and Utah last week
with a percentative that meat processing facility where they had,

(01:05:40):
you know, hundreds of people who got infect That's what
I understand what the issues are. So but I'm really careful.
So when I get up in the morning with a
sore throat, I'm not thinking COVID nineteen. I'm thinking I
got a sore throat. And I think these are subtle issues.
But why introduced risk? But you don't need to that's
the big question. No, I think you look, you're given
everybody good advice, do you see it? But potential for
outdoor stadiums to open and baseball and football? And what

(01:06:04):
are your feelings on the NFL? I know the US
Open said they're gonna play, but there'll be nobody at
the US Open. Well, I have a studio audience, as
you know, of a couple hundred people, and I'm not
going to be allowed to have audience members there. And
I actually don't want to have audience members. I sent
them home way before the city shut down for fear that.
Imagine a fan of mine traveling all the way from

(01:06:26):
wherever they came in the country to be in my
audience and then I get sick. I mean, I think
I had the opportunity to at least signal what I
thought was appropriate for them to keep my people who
are closest to me safe, And I think that's what
most teams are going to be thinking. Do I want
my fans worried that they don't actually get sick worried
about this and they have a question I'm asking myself,

(01:06:46):
was how impactful is it? When I talk to folks
to own stadiums, and I've been called by different leagues,
they say, you know, if I can put half the
people in the stadium, does that really help me? They
don't make the same kind of noise. It's probably not
going to even be a half it's expensive to open up.
I really get that much out of it. Or should
it just be smart and to safe and make sure
no one gets sick. We're not. We're talking about holding

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our breath for maybe six months. We are gonna have
vaccines by the beginning part of twenty twenty one, and
we should play our teams, play our events. A lot
of the revenue for the leagues, and everyone knows comes
from TV, radio and other venues. At least it's something
that gives us all joy to watch our favorite players
performed well. Then it becomes a math equation for the

(01:07:27):
league's though, because they count on that money too. They'd
be able to play the pay the players, and it
gets complicated, and that's why the Major League Baseballs are fighting.
But is that again? I'm just thinking long term. They
know they're masically baseballs one hundred, one hundred and twenty
thirty years old. I'm thinking that if they could just
play and do this for kindness of the country and

(01:07:48):
not have to worry about the distraction of this whether
someone got sick. What happens the first time someone goes
home and says, you know, I got COVID nineteen from
the game you can't prove he's right, camp proves wrong. Yeah,
we're stocking, all right, Quick break more with doctor Oz,
our medical A team. Next, quick break right back. We'll continue,
all right, as we continue with our medical A team
and doctor Oz. Uh boy, it's been a rough ride.

(01:08:10):
I'll tell you. It's you know, it's it's just one
thing after another. It seems keep just keeps, you know, hitting.
It's hard, but we'll get through it. We're Americans. We
have the best medical scientists and researcher. Yeah, real quick,
because I gotta go. I got bits between the new medications,
overall increased care, and the vaccine, we are ahead of this.
We don't have that much further to go, and I
don't think we're gonna have to shut down again with

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what we're doing now. If we all behave ourselves, it's
all right. That's good news, all right, doctor Oz, thanks
so much for being with us. Eight hundred and nine
four one sean, all right, simple man, Leonard Skinner. They
can only be one thing, and that thing means all
things Bill O'Reilly and all things bill O'Reilly or at
bill O'Reilly dot com. Let me ask you a question.

(01:08:52):
The world This has not been an easy here, mister O'Reilly.
That's a simple observation from a fellow simple man. And
I'm serious. I mean, look, we've had the worst pandemic
since nineteen seventeen and eighteen as a country that's been rough.
Then obviously what happened to mister Floyd never should have happened.
That's been rough. The aftermath of that, you know, they're

(01:09:15):
genuine universal outrage. I don't know anybody except crazy keyboard
warriors in their basement and their underwear, you know, saying otherwise.
And on top of that, then you got the lawlessness,
and then the looters and the rioters. Eight hundred plus
cops now injured, couple have died, one paralyzed for life.
We understand in Vegas burning down police precincts, taking over

(01:09:39):
city blocks in Seattle, and we have an election in
one hundred and thirty nine days. Um, So, as you know,
we're both simple man. Now, I'm glad I could get
burned you by the way over to the show. I
just why did I open myself up? I am so
imla now that why did I do this? Me? So

(01:10:01):
my simple question is why isn't anybody trying to solve
the problem, the problem of injustice or income inequality. Why
isn't anyone trying to solve that. Burning down a Wendy's.
Is that solve it? I don't think so. So let

(01:10:24):
me give you a real simple man scenario, something that
happened this week. You know Brad Pitt, right, I don't know,
and I don't know him personally. I know him as
the actor I know, you know a lot of brilliant
in that Tarantino Hollywood movie. So Jennifer Anderson is his
former white you know our friends. So each of them

(01:10:47):
announces through their PR people who they pay an enormous
amount of money, that they're going to donate a million
dollars each to an antique cop organization, an anti police organization. Okay,
and I say to myself, what are you doing? If
you're going to donate a million dollars, why don't you

(01:11:11):
donate it to my Brother's Keeper, a mentoring organization that
I worked with President Obama on? Why not give it
to Best Friends Foundation, another mentoring organization in DC, or
as I did yesterday Hannity, donate to Nassau County Big
Brothers and Big Sisters in a mentoring capacity. I'll, by

(01:11:35):
the way, I'll match your donation. Excellent, excellent. And I
like big brothers and big sisters. I've never been a
part of that organizations. I had to say. I had
three kids and I stayed with them their whole into adulthood.
But but it's a big donation, hanniy So, I mean,
you know, pretty fast on the trigger there, But I'm
holding you to it. But Mike, but you're getting my point.

(01:11:58):
Why wouldn't you do good the money two organizations that
are lifting people out of poverty and out of hatred
into a system where they can have a terrific life
like you have and I have, and Coland Powell has,
and Ben Carson has and Barack Obama has. So, by

(01:12:19):
the way, the only one thing that I gotta say
is every simple guy you know drops the name of
a former president and says, oh, yeah, well, I work
with President Obama on this charity. Maybe I'm not as
simple after all, Bill never happened to me. But Obama
and I had common ground on this on this issue.
What hating, Hannity, I know, I got it. I believe

(01:12:40):
that I am a simple man, and I'm a former
high school teacher, and I know that mentoring poor children
with lousy parents or non existent parents is the only
way to get these kids in a position seed And

(01:13:01):
therefore any group that does this, Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston,
you want to support, You don't want to support people
who hate the police. The pills are good, look, I say,
and I am watching. Now. It's to these police officers,

(01:13:27):
all eight hundred thousand of them, to demonize them the
way they're being demonized. It's not got to end. It's wrong,
Bill over eight hundred cops now, a number of dead,
eight hundred hurt, bottles, rocks, bricks, molotov cocktails, precincts burned

(01:13:47):
to the ground, and precincts taken over by anarchists. Now,
you know, here's the position that the president is in Illinois,
New York, all these all these blue states that run
into the ground for decades now and neglected by Democratic
governors and mayors. They don't get the job done. Same thing.
You know this The mayor the governor in Washington are

(01:14:09):
just pathetic. I mean, this is oh no, it's it's
like the Summer of Love. The autonomous zone, the chad zone,
the chop zone, the spaghetti pot, lug zone, a festive atmosphere.
You know, they all use the same words, and it's
not that way. And there are business owners in there
that are not being protected, and there are you know,

(01:14:29):
there's a police precinct being run by the anarchists that
took it over and chase the cops out, won't let
them back in. And I guess they're negotiating they give
back part of the city, but keep this part of
the city. Okay, So we're watching all of this unfold.
The president keeps offering help, they can keep saying no. Now,
I think that for the president there is a bit
of a trap because if the president goes in and

(01:14:53):
God forbid, something happens in the process of taking back
law and order, which they should do in the state level.
President's offering all the help they want, and something happened.
Trump did that, and so unless it gets to that moment,
and we'll know in that moment comes My attitude is
let Washington deal with Washington's problems. Let's Seattle deal with

(01:15:14):
Seattle's problems. That they elected these guys, let them fix it. Well,
I had a simple solution last night. I'm Bill O'Reilly
dot com that I think Donald Trump should consider, and
that is to send about one hundred US marshals to
Seattle to guarantee that anyone trapped in this anarchy zone

(01:15:38):
has the ability to get out and in when they
want it. Well, can I just answer that one point?
Are they You're not army, they're marshals. Every person apparently
that wants to leave, come and go. If you're a
resident there, that that that freedom does still exist. Although
you notice they built a wall. I thought walls were bad.

(01:16:00):
Then you need basically know that we really don't know
the pressure and the intimidation. Well, we have reporters and
spies in there. I have Ammy Harrowitz in there for
a spy in there for a day, all right, But
there's nothing wrong with sending US marshalls a federal president
to observe the situation. You don't want to wake U,
you don't want a Ruby Ridge, I don't want any

(01:16:21):
of that. But I think that President Trump has got
to run and he can start this in August. I
wouldn't do it now. You don't want to inflame now,
but he's got to run on Is this the kind
of country you want? And then show pictures of Seattle.
Here's the problem. Let's let's say all hell breaks loose. Bill.

(01:16:42):
By the way, we've seen all hell break loose in
recent days, and it's not pretty. And let's say that
they throw rocks, bottles, bricks at Molotov cocktails. Then the
hundred is going to become a thousand to two thousand,
and there's no way that's ever gonna end. It's never

(01:17:02):
gonna look good. The optics will be terrible, and then
you got the possibility of a worst case scenario. Now
it may come to that, but from my perspective, that's
the that's the governor of Washington's job, in the mayor's job.
The President keeps offering the help. He says, I'll help you,
you can run it. I'll give you the backup, the
support that you need when you're ready. They don't want

(01:17:24):
any help, Bill, And they elected these guys. I guess
that's what they want out in liberal land, La La land.
Out there, they want, you know, anarchists to take over
city streets. I have considered your point of view, and
you rejected on TV and radio. I know I did.
I'm not I'm not mocking you. I thought that it
a lot. Yeah. I think the American people at this

(01:17:46):
point are looking for leadership. I think if the President
got on and said I'm gonna send in hundred marshals
to make sure that anyone who feels threatened or anybody's
rights who are being violated in the anarchy zone have
to support, I think that would do them a lot
of good. You don't go in with tanks or gas

(01:18:10):
or anything like that. You just create a presence that
shows leadership. And that's what I will. I'm not where
you are. Probably that is probably going to happen next.
If I had to give my best guess, I don't
have any insider information. I think that is sober thought,
well thought out. And but you have another problem though,

(01:18:33):
and that is the mayor doesn't want them. The governor
doesn't want them, the anarchists don't. Well, I got it.
Now here's the all right. So the bottles get thrown,
the Molotov cocktails get thrown, the bricks and rocks get thrown.
It's gonna be. You can't send a hundred guys in

(01:18:55):
without you know, five thousand behind them. If anybody does that,
them as withdraw. All right. Video is taken of course, Um,
they don't confront. They just withdraw and then the people.
And it's in a country. See who the anarchists really are.
Look based on all of the reporting, I'm like you,

(01:19:17):
I'm paying very close attention the residents. Now we have
one resident, Shelby Telcott at the at the Daily Caller
interviewed a business owner. You're not too happy, and I
would imagine that there's probably legal liability for the city
and for the state, and that will work itself out
through the courts. I think there's going to come a

(01:19:37):
moment for your idea. I'm not quite there yet. It's
well thought out. I appreciate it, but it also is
predicated on one assumption. I think that you think that
the people in the zone will allow it. I have
a feeling that it has the potential to be a
lit fuse. Do you know the city of Seattle, Yeah,

(01:19:58):
I know, you've been there, of course, I have been
there many time. Okay, so the six block area that
they are occupying does comprise some residences and a lot
of businesses. All right. My contention is that many, perhaps most,
who are trapped there, don't want to be trapped there, correct,

(01:20:18):
But they were allowed to get in and out. And
I'm only giving you straight reporting that I have. And
if we're in your neighborhood or my neighborhood, had any
we wouldn't be putting it. We wouldn't be putting up
with it. Putting up with it. I only can say,
we wouldn't be living in Seattle, Bill, we wouldn't be
welcome in Seattle. And by the way, we're not really
welcome in New York either. Well, New York is another.

(01:20:41):
I mean, what happened in Saint Patrick's Cathedral. I don't
know how much time we have, but the district Attorney
cy Vans, not prosecuting the people who desecrated the cathedral,
said that is probably the worst thing I've ever seen.
All Right, let's reverse to us real quick, because we
don't have a lot of time. Let's say that the
people that took over and are running the autonomous Zone

(01:21:03):
or some conservative or radical right wing group as they
call it, these are left wingers. What if it was that,
what would happen now, Well, Insley would have the National
guarding there exactly exactly. Well, everybody knows that. Everybody knows
who Insley is. I mean, that's what I mean that
in this next election, people's got to choose what kind

(01:21:25):
of country you want. It's really stark. Now, you may
not like Trump, but do you want Insley? Is that
what you want? You know what I do in this book,
and I'm going to send you an early copy, special
Father's Day first edition, specially bound copies. Hannity dot Com. Bill,
I'll give you yours for free. I give the history
of how this great country is founded. I give a

(01:21:47):
history of radicalism in this country. I give the complete
twenty twenty democratic agenda. I go through socialism and their
history of failure. I go through what is at stake
between what they want on the left and what the
radical party they've become, and all of Donald Trump's views
and successes that he's had in his first term. I

(01:22:08):
google through the the hoax that they put us through
with Russia, the phony impeachment, trying to literally undo an election.
And I go through, and that's why it's lived Free
or die America in the world on the brink, Bill,
this is this is not for me a game. I
believe this tipping point. You promised that I could interview

(01:22:30):
you about this book. You remember that I do very
I don't know, as I drinking that day and I
don't remember I really know, of course. Down all right,
but I'm telling you Bill one hundred and thirty nine days, Bill,
this great Republic is hanging in the balance. The choice
cannot be anymore clear. I've said that and passed elections.

(01:22:53):
It's nothing compared to this one. All right, Bill O'Reilly
dot com. Thank you, Bill O'Riley. We'll continue. Kiss words
are meaningless. He is lying to you, He is lying
to himself. He is lying to the American people in
Congress and the next President of the United States need

(01:23:13):
to stand up to the billions and billions of dollars
in Silicon Valley and hold these people, hold these billionaires
accountable for their lies and for their undermining of American democracy.
All right, News Roundup and Information Overload Hour, Joseph Scarborough
going nuts against Mark Zuckerberg and Google and all the

(01:23:39):
interesting details that have emerged surrounding this whole issue, and
report that in fact, Google maybe financially blacklisting zero heads
the Federalist site. Google to ban ads on the Federalist
after NBC News raises concerns about the George Floyd protest

(01:23:59):
well works for NBC News. They're looking to they're they're
looking for them to basically censor content that they don't
like or agree with. It's plenty of things I read
about me every single day, Linda, A lot of stuff
about me. I don't particularly like a lot of it's lying,
but definitely don't agree with it. If you look. The
bar is what the bar is? You know, Congress shall

(01:24:21):
make no law as it relates to freedom of speech.
Now we have libel laws, by the way, I like
to see where the suit ultimately goes with our friend
Lynn would probably you know him and Charles Harder by far,
you know, standouts in terms of libel law Malice Times v.
Sullivan Landmark case, which is, you know, it's a very

(01:24:44):
high bar. If you're a public figure, they can pretty
much say anything they want about you, just the way
it is now. So it's interesting that it's NBC News,
you know, apparently pushing according to foxnews dot Com article
that they're pushing and now facing intense backlash for influencing
Google to punish these two conservative news sites. Now we

(01:25:05):
can also go through all the conspiracy theories of fake
news CNN, right, we could do that and we can
go through all the wrong reporting on Russia. You know
what about those lies that damage this country immeasurable damage.
Look what they put this country through. They ever admit

(01:25:25):
they're wrong. No, Look at what they did to one kid,
Nicolas Sandman. And they're paying that case. Because Nicolas sam Man,
he's not a public figure, the bar is much lower.
The lies that were told about this kid, the smears
and the slander, all of that involved. I mean, it
is like unbelievable anyway, So it's it's interesting now we

(01:25:45):
dealt with this a long time. Well, it wasn't that
long ago. It was May twenty eighth, I guess we
dealt with it. And about a month ago and the
President signed an executive order and he had Bill Barr,
the Attorney General, in there. And as it relates to
the executive order, fighting back against Silicon Valley with the
President and censorship of conservatives, this is something now conservatives

(01:26:08):
have had to deal with for a very long period
of time. This is something conservatives deal with all the
time as a matter of fact. And you know, on
top of everything else, every single word we utter is
being recorded in the hopes that one day that you know,
some conservative will say one thing they don't like, they
don't agree with, and instead of just letting the general

(01:26:29):
public go out there and make their own decisions because people,
I can't force people to listen. I want you to listen.
I'm gonna try and do the best show I can
every day, so you'll listen. I'm gonna put on the
best TV show I possibly can so you will listen
and watch. But I can't make anybody. You know, that's freedom.
You have the freedom to choose. We have more choices
now than ever. Netflix, You've got Hulu, you got Amazon, Prime,

(01:26:53):
Prime Video, you got it all, Prime Movie, Prime Prime, this,
that and everything. And you have all the social media
content providers as well. YouTube. If you have a smart TV,
you want to watch something on YouTube, you put it
on your TV. It's that's simple. But there is a
very important legal component to this, and that is the

(01:27:14):
Communications Decency Act, and the Order interprets that key provision
as not providing special protections for Silicon Valley titans like
Facebook and Twitter and Google and the rest of them
that are engaged in censorship. If you're just a pure
content provider, you are protected in terms of libel. If

(01:27:37):
in fact, somebody were to say something offensive that could
in fact be interpreted as libel. In other words, you
have that protection by your government. They have that protection. Now,
if you're going to become an editor and then editorially,
then then then every all bets are off at that point.

(01:27:57):
You know what, if you're not going to be a
pure content provider and let people post freely, well then
and if you don't become an editor, okay, you won't
have the liability. Once you become an editor, well then
that liability that you have, the protections are gone. And
by the way, this first happened with Twitter when they
took the unprecedented, unprecedented steps of fact checking the president's

(01:28:21):
tweets and now they're deleting this conservative emails account, and
it goes on and on and on. You had a
Twitter employee linking to the platform the fact checking came
from where the Washington Post they hate the president, fake news, CNN,
they hate the president. You know. So you know, I
actually put this on TV and on radio. I tweeted

(01:28:42):
it out to at Jack or we said on air,
at Jack, that's your fact checker, the Washington Post, fake news, CNN?
Does that? Are they people that should have a voice
in deciding how to target a president's Twitter page. Well,
now you're no longer just a content provider because you're
deciding what's on there. There's a lot of stuff I
don't like that I see about me on social media.

(01:29:04):
Guess what, too bad. I believe in freedom. I believe
in freedom of speech, liberty, and people say lies about
me too. Not much I can do about it now
when people are warned and people are given the truth.
New York Toilet Paper Times is the case in point.
There's going to be a landmark case, Sarah Palin. Remember
the whole thing targeted districts and what they said at
the time. Yeah, that hopefully we'll go to trial, and

(01:29:26):
I want to see what where that turns out. I
am paying very close attention to all of that. So
if you're going to take the role of fact checking,
then you also take on the liability and the responsibility.
And you may not want to use fake news CNN
and MSDNC in the New York Toilet Paper Times and
Washington Posts as your fact checkers because they have agendas.

(01:29:48):
At Jack should know this. We met at Jack dude.
You ever, by the way, talk to him, Linda, Ah,
he seems to be unavailable, you know though, so your
connection is over. I wouldn't say that it's over. I
would just say that we're going through an interesting phase
in our relationship. But it's But remember NBC now, and
this is what I have. But Joe Scarborough is asking

(01:30:10):
here is for them to censor speech he doesn't like. Now,
to me, it's a little bit of a joke. I
have nothing against Joe Scarborough. He can say whatever he wants.
It's not the point. But if you're gonna edit people's opinions,
you no longer get the liability protection that I've been
talking about here, the Decency Act protection, the Communications Decency

(01:30:30):
Act protection, because now you're an editor. Now you are
deciding you're not just a content provider, or you're not
just a place where you allow people to speak freely.
You're editing that speech. Okay, that means that's a whole
different ballgame, and the liability is real by the way,

(01:30:51):
I eviscerate, Oh it Live free or die, Linda, that
whole chapter. I think it's what chapter seven. The medium
mob enemy of the people, they hate Trump media mob.
That's chapter seven. I eviscerate them. I can't wait for
August fourth. We're gonna get out on the road to
again as well. We're gonna have some fun with this.

(01:31:12):
But more importantly, you know what, the mob deserves everything
I'm going to I do throw at them because they
are so irresponsible, they're so reckless. They tell so many lies,
they smear so many people. There's such such an agenda driven.
It's a fourth estate, and they abuse their power, frankly,

(01:31:32):
with no accountability, no responsibility. You know what, you know,
good thing, Nicolas Sandman. I can't wait to see this
kid become a billionaire. And that's what's gonna happen. But
they won't disclose how much of we out a private settlement.
That's fine, to agree to a private settlement. You're gonna
pay through the nose. Great good for Nicholas Sandman. He
deserved it. He deserves so much better. And by the way,

(01:31:54):
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go to our phones here. Let's say hi to Cheryl
and Virginia. Cheryl, Hi, how are you glad you called? Hi? Sean?
How are you so good to talk to you? It's
good to talk to you. What's going on? Thank you? Yes?
My first question is why is in the Seattle FBI
getting involved shutting down CHAZ when they've got armed BLM

(01:32:41):
and ANTIFA members there blocking entrance into their zone. And second,
can the citizens of Seattle sue the mayor and other
city officials for obstructing access and emergency services to that area?
I absolutely if I was a homeowner, was a store owner,

(01:33:01):
and my business was under siege and with reckless disregard
for the law, they did not uphold the oaths of
their office and their responsibility to the citizenry. I absolutely
see a case there where they are financially, legally liable
and responsible. I'd loved and by the way, that's going

(01:33:22):
to happen. And by the way, the taxpayers of Washington,
taxpayers in Seattle Yeah, they're going to be the ones
that end up paying whatever the settlement is. And depending
on how much insurance they have, we'll see what that
all comes down to. How would you feel if it
was your business, right, I'd sue I would too. I
can't blame people FBI And what about FBI involvement? Can

(01:33:45):
they not get involved? Yes, the President has full constitutional
authority to go in under the Insurrection Act of eighteen
oh seven. He can go in, he can clean it up,
and he can get it done. But you know what,
I don't think he should. I mean, the president keeps offering, Hell,
it's the governor's job. It's the mayor's job. The mayor's
eating and inventing these the anarchists. The mayor's saying something

(01:34:06):
that's not true, that it's one big street festival, that
it is a summer of love, and in the autonomous
chop Zone, chaz whatever they want to call it, on
any given day, in spaghetti pot luck dinners. And you
know what, it's funny because fake news CNN, M conspiracy
tv MSDNC reporting inside the autonomy autonomous zone, and while

(01:34:29):
they're inside there, they're saying, oh no, it's like a
festival atmosphere using the same words as they always do.
Then no originality whatsoever. It's one big liberal socialist talking point.
And while they're saying it, the people inside the zone
and say, no, it's not this isn't a festival. It's hilarious.
They're getting beaten down, you know, right on live television.
I showed some of that last night. It's hilarious actually. Anyway,

(01:34:52):
thanks Cheryl, Yeah, appreciate it. Say hi to Scott in
New Jersey. Scott, you're on the Sean Hannity Show. Hey, Sean,
how you doing a quick question? I was watching the
TV this morning and I'm one of your competitors channels.
They were talking to the CEO of General Motors Corporation
and she was talking about basically creating all these inclusivity
and diversity boards and all this stuff. Right, And a

(01:35:13):
lot of these companies are coming out and saying this, right,
so civil rights movement happened almost sixty years ago, right,
shouldn't the boards and the CEO is the executives like
they're taking a reactive approach, is what it sounds like.
Shouldn't they be stripping and cleaning all these boards out
and all these CEOs that are taking a reactive approach
because these solutions and these problems should have been solved
twenty or thirty years ago. So like that's my big question,

(01:35:35):
Like what are they going to do about that? And
how are these executives taking such a reactive approach? Is
something that should have been in their bylaws and corporate
policies years ago. Look, every corporation, it's easy for us,
I would argue, you know, to say they should be
focused on this, this, this, and this. I don't care
what the business is. You're usually everybody I know in
business gulfs water, if that makes sense. I'm gulden Water

(01:35:58):
every day, all days, a fire hose in my throat,
put you know, trying to get all the information, news,
information shows together, and you know, you just don't usually
have the time to get to a lot of these
other things. And you know, I've been blessed because I've
hired so many good people around me, and that makes
a big difference. And I always let everybody do their job.

(01:36:20):
I'm not a micromanager type of boss. And you know,
but in the end, when sometimes problems, you know, or
once they're illuminated, once they've become a problem, then you
have to give the attention that is due to it.
What should people be more proactive at times on a
lot of issues? Absolutely, quality controls, safety issues, personnel matters.

(01:36:43):
All of this stuff has to be dealt with. It's complicated,
and you have all the government regulations, and you have
all the accounting and taxation that you got to deal
with in any business. It's you know, I'm not disagreeing.
You got to focus on people too, and the people
that work for you and your customer, and do it simultaneously,
and do it under that an environment which is also

(01:37:03):
more competitive in a lot of industries than ever before.
It's it's it's not an easy answer, but we can
get it right. You always want to become more perfect.
That's how I love a more perfect union for example.
All right, that's gonna wrap things up for today. We've
got a lot of news to cover. By the way,
the President will be on tonight on Hannity nine Eastern
on the Fox News Channel. President Trump saying absolutely Kaepernick,

(01:37:26):
if he can play in the NFL, should be playing
in the NFL. That surprised people will have the charges
in the Atlanta case. Lindsay Graham, Dan Bongino, Horaldo, Leo
and Larry and President Trump also all coming up Hannity
exclusively tonight nine Eastern Box News see you tonight back
here tomorrow, As always say, DVR, thanks for being with us,

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