Remember Our Officer's Commitment

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, one hundred and forty one day, Scott Shannon,
thank you eight hundred and nine four one. Sean, you
want to be a part of the program. You know,
I said this the other night, ending the program on
Friday night to Laura Ingram, I said, yeah, my heart's
troubled again. I've been saying that a lot instead of
what you know would usually be said, let not your
heart be troubled and believe in me. And then I
believe all of that with all my heart. And I

(00:23):
gotta tell you it's troubled. I just know. I am like, oh,
what is happening to this country? If you love America
and you're watching all this and you think of all
that we've been through. It's only June fifteenth, but we
have one hundred and forty one days we have I
think the single biggest, most important pivotal you know, the

(00:45):
future of America on the line election. And look at
what we've been through just from January straight on through
and it just gets worse every single solitary day, the
worst pandemic and over one hundred years. You see, you know,
you learn from things. You see some good things, you
see some horrible things. We learned what we did right,

(01:07):
you learn what we did wrong. You're seeing resurgences now
that we've got to pay very close attention to. I've
always said, it's not if, it's when, and it's going
to happen, and how we deal with that part of
it is crucial, and I think we've learned a lot
of lessons to do a lot better with it, and
the country now struggling to reopen people craving it. Then,
of course, you know, leading into what happened with George Floyd,

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which never ever should have happened, which shocked the conscience
of a nation. Then of course leading to rioting, looting, arson,
a number of dead police officers, to cop in Vegas
by the way, it looks like he's paralyzed for life.
You know, so many others of Americans killed in the process,
many hundreds others injured, eight hundred cops injured, rocks and

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bottles and molotov cocktails and bricks thrown at the cops.
And then we have precincts being burnt to the ground, looting, arson, rioting,
And yeah, people make a good point that there are
peaceful protesters, and amongst them you have the agitators and
there are a lot of them though too, and that's sad.

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And those that want to march for the right reasons,
I'm not bundling them in with the anarchists. But then
you go to Minneapolis defund the police and the city
council that has a veto proof majority to now get
rid of the police department, and they're serious, you know.
Then we go to Seattle and the Autonomous Zone or

(02:36):
the Free Love Zone or the Summer of Love, and
we're gonna have street parties and we're gonna have you know,
it's like when big block party going on all throughout it.
I never thought that we would have entire city blocks,
including a police precinct, taken over by anarchists and the
mayors seemingly siding with it all out in Seattle, and

(02:58):
the governor told really impotent and incompetent to deal with
any of it. And then you look at all of
the officers offers of help of the president, let me
help you, let me help. You have to ask for
the help, but I want to help you. I want
to help you. And the same in New York and
the same in Illinois, and you know, a lot of
things then start bubbling to the surface, and you know,

(03:19):
we start wanting to look deeper and deeper and deeper
in to the causal effects and socioeconomics and and and those.
The fact that there are some bad cops, but it's
not the majority of them. It's not it's not even
ninety eight eight percent of them, I argue, are good people.
Every I know a lot of cops. Everybody that's a cop,

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everybody know that it's a teacher, Everybody I know that's
a fireman, everyone that I know is a paramedic. Most
people are going into medicine. They go in because it's
their calling, it is their passion for life, and they
do it knowing there's a pretty you know, look, there's
there's a limit. They're not going to get rich doing
any of those jobs. But it is a calling to
protect and to serve, and they know that they're putting

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their lives at risk every time that they put on
that uniform, and they do it anyway, And because that's
our line of defense against the fact that there is
evil and there are bad people. You know, the human
condition is what the human condition is. We've all sinned
and we've all fallen short all I'll start with me there,
and I'm just saying that, you know, we are better

(04:25):
than this, We can be better than this, We can
become a more perfect union. It's not as I don't
say this lightly. When I quote recently deceased Barry Farber
when he said there's never been a history a country
in the history of mankind that has accumulated more power
and abused it less. Didn't say we were a perfect
country when not. And what we want to become, the

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beauty of our framers and our founders, is a more
perfect union. We make strides to become a more perfect union.
And I always add that there's never been a country
in the history of mankind that is a human related
more power and used it to advance the human condition
than this one. And it's all because of liberty. It's
all because of freedom. It's all because we believe that

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every human being is born with talent from God. Not again,
we're endowed by our creator with rights, not with government
giving us rights. That our creator gave us these rights.
And then you look at you know, well, okay, we
can factor in decades and decades of Democratic Party governance
and blue states all across the country, and you see,

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you know, systemic failure everywhere. I mean again, I could.
I didn't look today, But if I went and I
googled how many were shot in Chicago, I'm sure I
wouldn't be shocked. And nobody does a thing, lifts a finger.
We have a duty to protect our American family. We
don't do it. You know, you have school systems in

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big cities. We spend more per capita than any other
industrialized country on the face of the earth, with the
worst results. Third highest spending city for per capita per
student per year is Baltimore. But they have thirteen public schools.
We are not one American child is proficient in math?

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How do you fail? And then, but even worse, how
do you not step in and try to fix it? Why?
Because you have this on holy alliance with teachers unions
in the Democratic Party. Now we get to the inn
this weekend, we all watched, and I watched, and I've
studied this video again and again and again. Let me

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let's start with the facts. Let's start with So the
police get a call from a Wendy's in Atlanta and
Ray Schard Brooks is asleep in his car in the
drive through lane. Police are called, they show up. Police
officer knocks on the window, no response. Knocks on the window,

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no response opens the door. Takes a while we finally
get her response. You can see Ray Shard at that moment,
just waking up. Obviously is confused. And and here's that encounter.
So the reason why we're here is because somebody called
nine one one because you were asleep behind the wheel
while you're in the drive through. Right do you call that?

(07:20):
I don't. I don't. You don't recall that. You don't
recall just minutes ago where you're passed out behind the
wheel in the drive through. You don't recall that at all,
Just complete blur. I wasn't drying, like I said, I
just name my girlfriend. She probably with sleeping. But like
I said, I faid bay, I want freaked fry. So
far as I'm aware, you're the only person that's been

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seen in this vehicle. Run. Yeah, you've been in the
driver's seat the whole time. So how did the car
get into the drive through with you behind the wheel? Right?
She drove here? I said, babe, I'm drinking in a
black car in the black bottle bay and you got
into your car. I say, Hey, you know what, no problem,

(08:02):
I'll just meet you in the hotel, all right. That
was the initial encounter. Now the first thing I want
you to observe, and all of this up until the
moment when the officers they offered a breath test. He
agreed to the breath test. You know what I noticed
on both sides is courtesy and respect. Courtesy and respect

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by the police officers raychard Brooks. Courtesy and respect from him.
Here is when he was patted down by the police.
I don't have anything on him, is okay? If I
patch down to make sure if he I have this
money gas? Is it okay? If I patch you down
to make sure any weapon absolutely away for any quick?

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What is this? There's just a bunch of money in
your mindy, What's what's all this money? How much money
do you have in your party? I mean, baby, okay,
it's like a bunch of ones and stuff here. Yeah,
absolutely welcome your question. I remember you can see the side, right.

(09:15):
I just came to get something big and you might
just put your phone on the trunk of your car,
all right. And then there was a moment too, all right,
so the officer says, can you please park the car
over here, and you know, I guess he had an
out of state license. Uh okay, what are you doing here?
My mom had passed away about a year and a

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half ago. He goes, oh, I'm so sorry to hear it.
I mean friendly. It was professional. Uh Ray Schard Brooks
was courteous, even calling the cops by their last names.
It was mutual. WO seemed like routine, very neutral. Now
he the police officer that the second officer on the scene,
asks if he could take a breathalyzer test, and it's

(09:59):
completely up to you. Listen, will you take it for later?
Best test for me? She has her no. I don't
want to refuse any babe, And she has her no.
It's completely got to us. Stop where okay, just wait
here while I go. Oh, man, so trying to make sure, man,
you're standing to drive, That's all I know. Man, I
just you scared me a little bit because you were

(10:20):
sleeping in the suns. You know why I was making
sure you're okay. You know, no nuts. I know. I
know you did see your row take a deep breath,
then get your mouth through the mouth piece. But it's
hards you can't tell take you to stop blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Stop very good,
I said a few jurgis. I said how many? One

(10:41):
and half? Like I said, I was it to the
second cup. I wouldn't even I told her baby, let's
go because I'm hungry. I what kind of drinks did
you have? I'm not sure it's something sheet harder, she said,
top show for whatever, top shop What I'm not shooting now?
We had registered uh point one? Eight point oh eight

(11:02):
is the legal limit? He gave it a number of
different answers as it relates to. At first it was
top shelve. What is top shelve mean? Then he said
out to Margaret Ellie had one drink. Then it was
a drink and a half, and it was Margarita's. And
then I don't know what I had to drink, So
you know, things were off. Officers said he smelled alcohol
in the car obviously between maybe drinking, getting up, waking up,

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you know, he became more lucid as the engagement went on,
but again professional until we get to this moment. Now,
by the way, if you have young kids in the car,
you may don't want to listen, give you a warning.
This is when this is when everything up until that moment,
to me, from what I seen, and I've watched it

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a lot, was the police professional doing their jobs, being
respectful and Raychard Brooks being respectful. Okay, as he said,
we just want to make sure you're safe to drive.
You know, we don't want anybody get hurt. The police
don't have any choice here. He's over the limit. That
means you don't just get to take the keys and

(12:05):
throw him and the bushes and ignore it. Here is
when he struggles with the police. All right, I really don't.
I think you had too much to drink to be driving,
chanting back to can't put chance money back? Hey, hey,
stop stop fighting, stop fighting, Stop fighting. You get you're

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gonna get time with the right, with the right jaser.
Stop fighting. M my sticky drink from there again, up

(13:06):
to that moment, it was fine. It was the moment
of that they tried to put cuffs on. Then everything changed,
and I think probably even to these of the cops,
ray Schard Brooks initiates a battle with them. You can
hear the cops they stop fighting, pop saying you gotta

(13:26):
get taste you gotta get a taste, then hands off
the taser. That's what it sounded like to me. Stop fighting,
stop fighting, ends up fighting the two cops. I saw
two instances where he seemed to hit the cops one
each grabs the taser and starts running. We'll pick it
up from the other side. Where that goes from there.
Just it did not have to happen this way. It's

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so sad. A dui is not the worst thing in
the world. Let's be honest. It's it's not good. Can't
have people drunk because then innocent people can get killed.
All right, glad you whether it's twenty to the top
of the hour, eight hundred and ninety four one sean,
you want to be a part of the program today.
So it leads us to four specific parts with the

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police in Atlanta and Ray Schard Brooks. The initial encounter
being padded down, taking the breathalyzer test, the conversations that
go back and forth about well, I'm here, my mom
passed away, going to a grave site, etc. Etc. I'm
sorry to hear that. M Listen, you know, we just
gotta make sure you're okay to drive. We're worried about
everybody's safety, and I know why. You know, you got

(14:33):
to do your job. I totally understand and polite professional
on both ends. And then we get into the situation
where we get to this moment and I digress for
a second here because you know, Cops, the TV show,
after thirty two years, has been canceled, and Live PD,
very highly rated show on cable, has also been canceled.

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You know, at the moment when the two police officers
in Atlanta begin to put the handcuffs on Ray Schard Brooks.
You know, up to that moment, everything is fine and
then all hell breaks loose. And one of the things
that as I watched this video over and over again,
I think to myself, as I'm watching this, up to

(15:20):
that second, it's okay, and it's gonna be take, probably
taken into custody. I don't know. I've never gotten a duy,
but I assume that it's pretty much a bench warrant.
You're you know, somebody comes picks you up, you get
a ticket, you get a date to show up, you
go home, and not a great thing. Nobody wants to
go through that, I'm sure, but it's a job that

(15:43):
has to be done. We know the devastation of you know,
mothers against drunk driving. We've learned, and the age day
and age of uber, and you know, it's just too
easy now not to have these accidents. You pay the
money for the uber, You go out, you get your sandwich,
whatever you want to get. You had a couple of drinks, Okay,
nobody care. So I don't care how much you drink.
That's up to you. But courteous, professional on all sides.

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And then it becomes okay, stop fighting, stop fighting. You're
gonna get tased. You're gonna get tased. Hands off my taser.
Stop fighting, stop fighting. And then the ensuing hits. I
didn't see that there were big, big hits, but both
officers getting hit out wrestled. There was a moment. I

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don't want to go back to my martial arts point
because everyone gets annoyed with that. So but there's a
moment that that I thought police had an opportunity to
gain control and didn't. As I watch it over and
over again and slowly, and it's easy to say, you know,
after the conflict happens, he grabs the taser, he starts

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running down the parking lot in pursuit of the two officers.
The DUI officer has his taser out. Then Ray Shard
Brooks turns around, fires the taser that he took off
one of the cops and then his shot twice. And
he's no longer with us today. And that's the sad
part to me, because none of this should have happened.

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It is a human life. Now we get into the
question of all right, well, you know who is at
fault here because the Atlanta Police now have they have
gone forward. They announced that officer Garrett rolf he's the
one that fired the shots. Veteran department. He was the
DUI officer hired in October twenty thirteen. He has been fired.

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The other cop who was the initial cop on the
scene seemed to have a good rapport with Ray Schard Brooks.
He's been placed on administrative duty. He was called to
the Wendy's failed to field sobriety test, resisted arrest, and
during the struggle, grabbed the taser and ran. I can
get into the technicalities of the law because we've been

(17:55):
researching it all and I know that everybody thinks this
might be all there's a slam dunk case etc. I
don't know if you look at the law, it's a
lot of it's going to depend on, for example, what
how they categorize or characterize legally what a taser is,
and whether or not, you know, what was the police

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offer thinking if the guy turns around, which he did
in Rayschard Brooks and shoots the taser back of the cops.
But as for the written law, it says he or
she reasonably believes an employee, meaning a cop, can use
deadly forced to apprehend a suspected felon only when and
by the way, if you take the taser at that point,

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now you are a suspected felon. One he or she
reasonably believes that the suspect possesses a deadly weapon or
an object, device, or instrument which used offensively against a
person is likely or actually does result it's seriously serious
bodily injury. When he or she reasonably believes that the
suspect poses an immediate threat of serious bodily injury to

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the officer or two others or two when there is
probable cause to believe that the suspect has committed a
crime involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical harm,
and the employee reasonably believes that the suspect's escape would
create a continuing danger of serious physical harm to any person.
That's what the law says. You know, I walk away

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with this, and you know it was a lot of
people when I came out immediately after seeing the seven minute,
fifty five second video of George Floyd. I'm just I wrote.
I just kept saying that you have no idea. This
is the death sentence is this never should have happened.
You can't keep your knee on somebody's neck with their

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head into the pavement like that and expect any other
result than what happened to George Floyd. Most of my
life on radio and TV, I often tell the story about, well,
how did I learn not to rush the judgment? How
do I learn? How do I always end up being
right when so many others do rush to judgment? And
that's because we don't rush to judgment. And I learned

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that in the Richard Jewel case. And I was on
the air in Atlanta as a local host and the
AJC comes out with, well, he fits the profile of
the lone bomber because he lives with his mother and
he was a security guard. Originally he was hailed as
a hero because he cleared out the area when he
saw a suspected package or backpackages laying there. It turns
out he was right, and by pushing people away he

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probably saved a lot of lives that day. And I'm like, Okay,
just because the guy lives with his mother, doesn't mean
he fits the profile of a domestic terrorist. What are
you talking about. In the end, he did not. He
did not do this, Lynn Wood, his attorney was also
representing Nicholas Salman, swears to this day that Richard Jewel

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died at forty four because of the devastation and the
stress and the pressure was overweight and all that those
other factors existed, but that was a certainly a contributing
cause in his death. And he has explained that on
this program numerous times. And then yet then I say, well, okay,
how does everyone get hands up, don't shoot? How did

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I get that right and everybody else got that wrong
in the media. Well, one of the reasons is is
I do my due diligence. And I talked to police
on the ground that were there that already knew that
there were numerous people that would testify that just happened
to be because again identity politics came into play in
that case. That said it was exactly how Officer Darren

(21:30):
Wilson described it, African American witnesses saying, yeah, he was
being charged that by Michael Brown told him to stop, stop, stop,
He didn't stop. The initial shot was fired in the
car when Michael Brown reached into the car. That's what
the evidence showed. That's what the testimony ended up showing.
I knew in the Zimmerman Treyvon case, and I would
say I wish George Zimmerman would have just called the police,

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but that there was an eyewitness that was going to
identify Treyvon on top of George Zimma at the moment
when this became deadly, you know, saying he was pounding
his head into the ground. That testimony would impact the case.
I knew that from the very beginning. If you look
at for example, Freddie Gray, there was just a consensus

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that this was a slam dunk case and the six
officers there were going to end up, you know, all
being convicted. And I was like, none of them are
going to be convicted, because again, what my sources were
telling me at the time that knew a lot, and
I have a lot of friends in law enforcement. We
worked sources in the Duke lacrosse case. I took the
time and I went out to Garden City, Long Island,

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and I met with some of the kids and some
of the family members, and a very different tale was
beginning to emerge. And I very early on understood that
in spite of, you know, just condemnation by the Duke
school community, even close to one hundred professors taken out
an article signing a petition in the newspaper based Lee

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convicting these kids there because quote, they're a bunch of privileged,
you know, athletes that you know, think their blank doesn't stink. Well,
they all ended up proving their innocence. You know, Timestamp,
video stamp at an ATM machine wasn't there at the
time of the allegation, Timestamp going into a dorm not
there at the time of the allegation. And in the end,

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the kids had to one by one prove their innocence
in that case, and then a lot of other things
came out in that allegation. We did the same thing
with UVA. We did the same thing with Cambridge Police.
And you know, this is a part of what I've
realized and part of my work is to is to
dig deeper than the average person digs. Here. Now, how

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they define and and we'll have lawyers on this program
examining this in the days to come. How they ultimately
define a taser in that moment is going to be
probably where Lee lead this case ends, assuming that Officer
Garrett Rolfe is in fact indited. Remember you're gonna die

(24:10):
a ham sandwich. But again, the one thing I would
caution here is again if you go back to the
moment where just up until the point he's getting asked
to be handcuffed because he's over the limit. You can't
let somebody drive a car drunk. You can't. At that

(24:30):
point they tried to put the handcuffs and then the
conflict was initiated. There's no ambiguity. This is why I
like body cams. I like vehicle cams, patroller cams, etc.
Squad car cams, whatever you want to call him, because
it helps us put a more accurate picture together. Then
we have, I guess the video from Wendy's and that

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came into place. We haven't even gotten to the idea. Okay,
now the Wendy's has burned to the ground. Apparently they've
identified who the person is that started that fire in
that particular case, and on the heels obviously of George Floyd.
The timing couldn't be worse because it's such a highly
charged atmosphere in the country right now in a lot
of different ways, and the ensuing violence and now anarchy

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in some places that has taken over, and so a
lot of it's going to if you want the law
on this, a lot of it is going to come
down to say that. My first thought is is it's
so sad and tragic. I don't know. You know. Number one,
you can't drive drunk on the age of uber in
my view, you have a drink too. I think two

(25:37):
drinks is usually the limit from my but don't take
my word for it. You know, you know, buy one
of those those breathalyzers yourself. You can buy them. And
you can't resist, and you can't fight, and you can't
steal a weapon. Then you can't turn around and fire
a weapon, even if it's a taser. So I walk
away with a number of things without rushing to judgment

(25:58):
because I think everybody deserves the presumption of innocence and
the tech. What the written law here is will play
a big factor in what we're viewing, and so many
other people want to rush to judgment on them, regardless
of what it's going to be defined. As you know,
the first question I have is, Okay, if you shoot
the taser once, is that does it have one shot

(26:20):
or two? Because I think there are two versions of that.
I don't know in this particular case, I've not been
able to get a definitive answer. I've gotten mixed answers
on that. A couple of things that come to mind,
and I know the President I think this week, according
to reports all over, that he's going to come out
with certain reforms. I think one of them has to
be only if it's imminent danger on a chokehold, because

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that's the most sensitive part of the human anatomy. I
can agree with that. But if a CoP's life is
in danger, all bets have to be off. If he
thinks there's a physical confrontation and that's the only way
that he can he can stop somebody from maybe killing
him or her, that has to be an understanding of
the difficulty of that job. I think again we get

(27:06):
back to we need more training for these officers, and
I go back to a third point that I've been
making other non lethal options available to the police. I
am not a big fan of that taser. Number one,
you have to be a close range. You got it,
You got the stupid wires that come flying out behind it.
And now you're you're going for either the taser, the

(27:27):
taser gets taken, now you only have one option, or
if you shoot the taser and you miss, you only
have one option. And I discussed in detail, you know,
some of the some of the great new technology that's
coming on market that I think will be ultimately an
assist for police officers non lethal options that they will
have now in terms of the neck, I think we

(27:48):
all agree. In terms of training, I think we all agree,
you know, add to the tools that the police have
for non lethal force, I think that's critical. I think
the public has a role to play here, and that
is that the public has got to understand and there's
got to be more communication, better communication with every community.

(28:12):
You know. It's it's upsetting that it seems like everyone
wants to just say, ninety nine percent of cops are horrible,
and that's just not true. And I'll tell you other
things that are going to happen. I heard Congressman Clyburn
saying I fear the police now more than during segregation.
M seventy nine percent of truckers say that they're not
going to deliver the cities the defund police department. Minneapolis

(28:35):
cops are resigning now in droves, you know, with this
defunding effort. Now, the defunding effort is going nationwide. Seattle
Mayer is just allowing the anarchists to take over with
our summer of love and anarchy and you know, the
autonomous zones and whatever you want to call it. She's like,

(28:55):
oh yeah, and the zone is a safe space for
spaghetti potlucks. A movie predicting a summer of love. I'm like, wow,
this woman is clueless out there. I don't know what
she's thinking. He had an entire Florida city swat team
in Hollandale Beach. They resigned because the police chief there
kneeled with the protesters. Has been almost universal condemnation of

(29:18):
all cops. Well, you found the police, who are you
going to call? I always go back to that one
question and if we surrender to the anarchists, what everyone knows,
there's no private property, everything's free, and they get to
build a wall and keep police out and take over
their precinct. That's not going to end well in my view.
And you know, did Minneapolis police what's happening in Seattle?

(29:40):
The President's asking to help, they refuse any help whatsoever
to restore law and order. If we don't have law
and order, then what happens from there? Nothing good is
going to come out of that. And you know it
just I'm glad they had the body cam, but you know,
how is it that we're just willing to throw an
entire group of people that risk their lives for not
a lot of money down the stairs and we have

(30:03):
absolutely no room whatsoever for Let's wait for all the
facts to come in. Let's look at the law. It's
this is a very scary time for this country, and
I really worry about where this is all headed. For
everybody's sake, we're one country, we're one people. We've got

(30:24):
to get along. We'll continue, all right, Welcome back our
tow Sean Hannity's show, Glad you with us eight hundred
and ninety four one Sean, if you want to be
a part of the program, all right, let me play
for all of you. Is this is what happened in
Atlanta over the weekend. Ray Schard Brooks's initial counter with
the police, him being padded down by the police, him
taking a breathalyzer. Up to the moment, I hear nothing

(30:47):
but respect on both sides, up until the moment they
began to cuff him, having obviously been above the driving
limit for alcohol. And when things went bad, but got
to give you a listener warning. It's it's hard to hear.
So the reason why we're here is because somebody called
nine one one because you were asleep behind the wheel

(31:08):
while you're in the driving through. Right do you call that?
I don't. I don't. You don't recall that. You don't
recall just minutes ago where you were passed out behind
the wheel in the drive through. You don't recall that
at all. Absolutely just complete blur. I wasn't driving, like
I said, I just dame my girlfriend. She probably with sleeping.

(31:29):
But like I said, I said, baby, I want freaked fry.
So bars, I'm aware you're the only person that's been
seen in this vehicle. Run Yeah, you've been in the
driver's seat the whole time. So how did the car
get into the drive through with you behind the wheel?
She drove here, I said, babe, I'm drinking in a

(31:50):
black car in the black bottle ball and you got
into your car. I said, hey, you know what, no problem,
I'll just meet you in the hotel. I don't have anything,
or is okay if I bat you down? Just makes
if you I have just money gas? Is it okay
if I pat you down to make you do any weapon?
Absolutely face away for a real quick. What is this?

(32:15):
There's just a bunch of money in your body? That's
some more WI What's what's all this money? How much
money do you have in your party? I mean, baby's
n okay, like a bunch of ones and stuff? Here
for absolutely welcome here. I do remember you can see

(32:38):
the side right, howl. I just came to get something big.
You might just put your phone on the trunk of
your cart. You have any your hand, will you take
it for la best test for me? Yes or no?
I don't want to refuse any pay it's yes or no.
It's completely got to you. Yes, well okay, just wait
here while I go out oh man, So make sure, man,

(33:00):
you're staying to drive. That's all I know, man, I
just you you scared me a little bit because you
were sleeping in there, So that's you know why I
was making sure you're okay, you know, And that's I know.
I know you did. Still your draw just take a
deeper at then you're out throw them out piece. But
it's hard. You can't tell tell you stop. Blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Stop. Very good,

(33:23):
I said, a few jerks, I said, how many? One
and half? Like I said, I was into the second cup.
I wouldn't even I told her, baby, let's go because
I'm hungry. I what kind of drinks did you have?
I'm not sure it's something cheet harder, she said, Top
show for whatever, top shop what I'm not shooting, all right,
I really don't. I think you've had too much to

(33:44):
drink to be driving Put Chance waking back to win
put chance money. But he stop, fun funny stop funny
stop fun you get you're gonna get time with the
right with my sticky drink. The thing that just stands

(34:37):
out in this this entire exchange, and I watched it
so many times, like so many of you have. Here
is from the first moment of the encounter, um all
the way up to the moment the two officers tried
to put handcuffs on Ray Shard Brooks. It was professional,

(34:58):
it was there was respect on all sides, everything that
you think you'd want to hear in terms of an
exchange with a police officer and a citizen, and then
all hell break slows, which you just heard. Also here
to help sort through all of this, we have former
Commissioner of the New York Police Department, Bernie Carrick, author

(35:20):
of The Grave Above the Grave. Remember he was the
NYPD Commissioner during nine to eleven September eleven, two thousand
and one, and former Lieutenant commander of the NYPD counter
Terrorism Unit. Sergeant Dmitrick Penny is with US, twenty year
Vet Dallas Police and president of the Dallas, Texas National

(35:42):
Falling Officer Foundation, U as a congressional candidate now in
Texas District thirty. Thank you both for being with us.
Let me start with you, Sergeant Is I mean that
up to that moment, did you see anything wrong on
either side? Be it Ray shot Brooks or the police
up to the moment when they began to cuff him

(36:02):
no vision. First of all, I think it's so much
to have me on Hannity, But yeah, I saw this thing.
I watched this video over and over again to try
to figure out, you know, what went wrong, And the
bottom line is, these officers did everything right when you
got to that to that confrontation where the individuals start
fighting with the officer, and when he took took that

(36:23):
officers taser, the circumstances changed. This is not we were
just talking a couple of days ago about George Floyd.
This is not that, and the community need to completely
understand this is not that. This that individual he created
the deadly force and corner when that tayser was taken
from that officer and we turned back around and pointed
it at him, I think that tells a story in itself.

(36:45):
You know. So I completely disagree with what the position
that the mirror took on termulating that officer. I think
that we, you know, they need to go back and
look at this whole use of force situation to determine
whether or not that force was reasonable and what on that.
I have the exact language of what a suspected felony
would be. And I'll get to that in a minute here.

(37:08):
So we have the confrontation. You can hear the cops,
you know, I think they were. I think we're all
taken off guard just watching it. Um. But when you
you know, you hear them, you know, stop fighting, stop fighting. UM,
you know you're gonna get taste. You're gonna get taste.
You know, stop fighting. Then you hear that he's taking

(37:29):
the taser. UM a slight scuffle. For my perception, I
saw the two cops hit by mister Brooks twice. He's
he runs off with the taser. As he's running, he
turns around and seems to fire it. One question I have,
do you have one or two shots in that taser?
Because I thought it was only one? Yeah, typically only
one shot you got you got the one. I'm not

(37:50):
I'm not the biggest fan of it. It's an option,
but I think there's got to be other options that
we give police down the road as we now are reevaluating,
you know, other non lethal UM tools and a police
officers just arsenal if you will in moments like this,
non lethal meaning it will be effective, but it will
also save more lives. Do you, based on the video

(38:14):
that you see, do you think the shooting was justified.
I hate to really get get into the mindset of
the oficer, but I'm gonna tell you if if it's
me and I'm in the field and this situation is
happening in real time, and you gotta think these these
are split second situation. I'm thinking about the way I've
experienced it where I've we've had officers to die in
the line of duty because they've missed guns, they've missed weapon. Okay,

(38:37):
when that officer when that when when when mister Brooks
took off and turned around with that weapon. In that
officer's mind, I'm seeing the same thing I'm seeing gun.
I'm seeing weapons, and I'm thinking pull your weapon in fire. Now,
I've heard all these arguments about why he just didn't
shoot him in the leg. You know, why did he
why did he have you know, why didn't he shoot

(38:58):
him with There's no training that says to shoot for
the lake, of course, not absolutely not no. In fact,
we trained the shooting a match. Yeah, of course you're
shooting to stop the threat. You're not shooting that to
execute or kill a person you're shooting to stop the threat.
And that's what this convolution of of of the media

(39:19):
is kind of planning in a certain way to make
it appear that there's this there's this major problem within
law enforcement where law enforce was just killing black people. Well,
first of all, let's talk about community interaction with law enforcement.
We just start gearing people up with I talk about
training all the time. It's not just the officers being
trained on how to use force. It's on individuals. It's

(39:41):
if it's a community understanding how force can be used.
You have to understand it what predicament you can and
cannot be aggressive with an officer in no situation should
be aggressive with acer. But this, this was this was
like I said, this was not a George Floyd's situation.
This guy here, he put himself in harm's way by
his acts worth all the sad tragedy. Again, in the

(40:03):
moment Bernie Carroll leading up to this, I saw the
interaction between the officer and with Ray Schard Brooks. I
thought the officers were professional. It was one moment where
the first cop that had asked him, you know, to
park in the in the parking spot and get out
of the lane. The drive through lane couldn't be more compassionate.

(40:23):
I mean, it was a real conversation between two human
beings at that point. They were listening, and they were
they were courteous, they were professional, um, and they were
just there's nothing more they could have done. Um. They
followed the policy by the book. Um. You know, the

(40:44):
confrontation itself. I got to admit when I saw the
when I saw the the body camp footage, I was
a bit surprised at how you know, the courteous both
sides were, um. And he even said, Brooks even said,
I know you got a factor of you being from
New York and this being the genteel South. But but

(41:07):
but he's you know, he even says to the officer,
you know, I know, you're just doing your job. Um.
But the second they went to handcuff him, it changed.
Then there was the assault, the attack, the you know,
the seizure of the weapon. But but I want to
I want to comment something that the sergeant said. And look,
you know he comes out of Dallas PD. It's one

(41:28):
of the best departments in the country. Um, you know,
great cops. It's it's a rough town to work in
and many, you know, and they've lost a bunch of
cops in the line of duty. I remember my son
was at one of the last funerals. Um there's a
point that he made about the community and what the
community has to do. And here's my problem with what's

(41:49):
going on today shown and it refers to exactly what
he said. Why aren't the mayors and why aren't the
governors in towns around the country today telling the communities
you cannot attack the police and assault the police. It's
against the law. You cannot resist arrest, you cannot obstruct

(42:09):
or interfere with an arresting officer. You can't run from
the police, you can't hit him with your car, you
can't disarm them. Why aren't they denouncing this action? The
mayor fired this guy, threw him under the bus, crucified
him in the court of public opinion without even a hearing.

(42:31):
And you know what, that villainizes the cops, victimizes the thugs,
when in fact they should be telling if you're going
to scream and yell about reforms with policing, well you
better be screaming and yelling at the communities where this
stuff is happening, and they are completely annihilating the cops.

(42:51):
All right, as we continue, Former Commissioner of the New
York Police Department, Bernie Carrick also with us. Sergeant Demitrich
Penny is with us out of Dallas. You know, if
you look at the encounter, I mean, the stories changed
quite a bit. Now. I think it took a lot
to wake him up. When it was obviously his car
was in the drive through lane. He seemed a little disoriented,
um seemed to get more oriented as the encounter went on,

(43:15):
you know, changed the story a little bit. In the beginning,
he sounded confused and kind of out of it, and
then he was specific about I only had a drink.
Then it was a drink and a half of margharita. No,
it was top shelf. I don't know what kind of
drink I had. I mean, it really took me by surprise,
you know, watching it, it was like what you would

(43:38):
expect in an encounter where there's respect on both sides,
just up until that moment and I get these I look,
I believe those cops were probably shock that happened. Sergeant.
I mean that what they called me of guard just
watching it, I mean, because that's not normal behavior. But
but we do know that this individual was intoxicated at

(43:58):
the time. I mean, I think we you know, we
you lose a little bit of the rationale. We're dealing
with that. And I was fine up too, you know.
I mean it was almost like he was agreeing to
to you know, he knew he had done wrong. The
officer had to had to take in the jail. But
the fight, the fight is where the circumstances changed. Like
I said, we were lost entirely. Too many officers, and
officers are they're trying to do the best that they're can.

(44:21):
I mean, we're faced with we're faced with, you know,
dealing with the legal challenges on one side, and then
you're dealing with the lawlessness on the other side. And
now you have, you know, political leaders saying that we
want to defund the police. It's it's hard enough as
it is for law enforces to do that job. The
average response time for an officer to even show up
at a call to a priority call is three to

(44:42):
five minutes. When right now it's taking these it's taking
officers because they don't have enough officers to be there.
Now it's taking up between ten and thirteen minutes. We
know that there's a problem, there's a problem, but these
problems are created by what's happened, these these social issues
that are happening in the community, and our political leaders
are not pushed and back on. They're not saying, hey,
we need law and order in our community. We need

(45:04):
our police officers to be protected. Nobody's gonna want to
enter this profession if they think, in a snap of
a down that they're going to be prosecuted for following
their own training. Gotta I gotta take a break here
at Sergeant Dimitric Penny with the Dallas Police Force, president
of Dallas, Texas Falling Officer Association, now a congressional candidate

(45:25):
in the thirtieth district. Former NYPD Commissioner Bernie Kerrigg eight
hundred and nine four one Sean. I'll also talk about
all the chaos that has been going on out in
Seattle Minneapolis to fund the police. We've got a lot
more ground to cover with both of them. We'll continue.
How long do you think Seattle in those few blocks
looks like this, I don't know. We could have a

(45:46):
summer of love. Well tell that to the police who
was supposed to be in that precinct though, But I
understand your sentiment. Mayor. We don't have to sacrifice public
safety for First Amendment rights. Both can exist and we'll
make sure that both the assistant Seattle, oh is it?
And Jimmie, every time I just try to have a
normal conversation with you just goes right to insts. Is

(46:08):
that against the law? Is again against the law to
insult a man in blue at a normal conversation. Uh,
you guys get called the time, and you get and
you take down the blacks and you get video. Have

(46:32):
a good day, Jamie. I want him arrested for physical assault.
All right. That was a videotape on viral on Twitter
where cops was very nicely dealing with somebody and the
person just starts screaming the saying could please be nice? Um,
and then they just turn around and walked away. We're

(46:53):
now seeing now a lot of police around the country
are just saying, you know what, this isn't worth it anymore.
We're not going to do this job. And they're leaving
in droves, and you know, you see now it's gotten
in the world of politics and Clyburn, I feel the
police now more than during segregation, truck drivers are saying

(47:16):
they won't deliver the cities with defunded police departments. They
don't think it's safe. The defund effort gets bigger and
bigger and bigger. The Seattle Mayer's saying that this autonomous zone,
the summer of love zone, the safe space for spaghetti,
pot lux and movies for the summer of love, is
just madness. You see what's been happening all around the

(47:38):
country in every way shape Maunter inform. And you see
now police precincts being burned to the ground and others
being taken over completely. You don't see any efforts to
even stop it in any way. You have an entire
Florida city swat team that resigned after the police chief
was kneeling with the protesters. That will remain on the

(47:59):
police force. But they've left the swat team out in
Hollandale Beach. So no thanks, we don't need this now.
One Democratic Al Green is now calling for believe it
was him, Yeah, it was him, calling for the creation
of a Department of Reconciliation. Okay, I don't know what
that means, because if you surrender to anarchy, and they're
able to take over city blocks and police precincts that

(48:21):
nothing has done to stop it. Who are you going
to call when something happens? I mean, this is the
madness of all of this. Congresswoman Omar defending the call
to dismantle the Minneapolis police. Now again she now also,
you know, it's it's unbelievable. It's just getting from bad

(48:42):
to worse here. And you see anarchy now reigning and
this is now the I guess you know, now a
big issue in the campaign. And what is this growing divide?
How does it all end in the end here? Anyway,
we continue with former MYPD Commissioner Bernie Kerry and also
he's the author of the Grave Above the Grave. He

(49:04):
was the commissioner in New York's Police Police Department nine
eleven one. As we all know, Sergeant Dimitric Penny, twenty
one year vet Dallas Police also now a congressional candidate
Texas Congressional District number thirty. Let me go back to
what's going on in Minneapolis. The Stevefund, the police effort,

(49:27):
the anarchists or the Free Love Zone CHAZ as they
call it, utopia as they call it. Now take it
over city blocks. And by the way, on top of it,
Bernie Carrick, we have over eight hundred officers now that
have been hurt, a number of them now killed, a
number of them permanently injured, one paralyzed in Vegas, and

(49:48):
you know, rocks and bottles and bricks and molotov cocktails,
and seeing no desire for the president who's begging these
cities to restore order, they don't. They refuse to take it. Um.
They put the entire from my perspective, they put the
entire city of their cities at risk. Here. Plus, Sean,

(50:10):
you have, you know, hundreds of millions of dollars in
devastation damage as a result of the arts and in looting.
You've got about twenty people that were innocence of ians
that were shot and killed throughout this. Nobody's nobody's marching
on their behalf. But I want to bring up a point, Sean,

(50:30):
that I think is lost in the mix here. Most
of these cities, every one of the cities you just mentioned,
and most of the cities around the country where you
have the highest violent crime rate and the highest murder rate,
they're all run by democrats. They're run by democrats that

(50:51):
have there. They're far left leaning. Uh, you know, radicals
in many cases who basically wanted minished and abolish policing
in general. And I think the lesson people had they
should focus on that. They should look at New York City.
In nineteen ninety four, when we averaged about twenty two

(51:14):
hundred murders per year, we were the capital of homicide
of murder in the United States of America, and over
an eight year period under Giuliani, that number dropped by
sixty three, by seventy percent, the murdered number dropped by seventies,
violent crime by sixty three, and in the black communities

(51:36):
in New York City that number dropped. Murder dropped by
close to eighty percent. Thousands of black lives were saved
as a result of basically enforcing law in order. We
didn't have these problems with riots and all this other
stuff we had had. We had issues within the police

(51:58):
department that we had to deal with, but at the
end of the day, we had a leader, we had
a mayor that enforced the law, dealt with the communities.
I didn't have any problems As the police commissioner. I
had fifty five thousand people working for me. I had
no problems in the black community, so we had great relationships.

(52:19):
It can be done, but today it's not being done.
And in every one of those cities where black lives
are being slaughtered at by numbers that compare with a
war zone, like Chicago and Saint Louis and Baltimore, they're
role run by Democrats. And I think that's something that
has to be looked at. Okay, and your take, sergeant, Yes,

(52:42):
just look, I want to play up on a commissioners position.
In fact, they're all four on the four hundred and
thirty five US House seats. This is why I'm running
those four hundred and thirty five House seats. Twenty eight
percent of them a majority minority districts. All of them
are run by Democrats. No Republicans in no seats. Now,
what we've done on the last every over the last

(53:03):
fifty years, the failed social economic policies have led to
the failures in these communities. Now, I come from the
inner city. I come from I came from a community
where police just didn't come in because of the level
of crime. We didn't want them there. But we were
being victimized at a higher rate than anywhere else in
the country. And I say, everyone's an advocate until they

(53:25):
become a victim. I said this last time, everyone's an
advocate until they come a victim. When I had to
witness my own cousin get killed in front of me,
but for me to say, man, I got to get
out of here like that had to wake something, had
to wake me up. And and what's happening is you
got a lot of people that aren't from these communities
that are that are that are caring the guard letter
and saying that we want the police out, we want

(53:47):
them out. Well, guess what who's want of police these communities.
Once you get them out, you get rid of the police,
then nobody's going all the people are gonna do. They're
gonna be subjected to more and more boling crime and
the boding crime rate regardless of what we do, because
we can't get people the goverment to come into this profession,
the viol and crown raids still going up across the country. Now,
on another note, I would like to also talk about

(54:09):
our law enforcement officers. Okay, everyone wants to. We want
to bring up the First Amendment right to protest and
with and then first, amenber right, the protests should be
protected by the first amendber of rights. We're all against that,
I mean all we're all support we all support that,
But by that same token, we have to start talking
about these officers for a teenth Amendment right to fair

(54:32):
and equal protections under the law, because they're not just
going out there to be attacked, to be attacked and
be and be murdered, and and and and be little
by individuals that don't want to follow the law. We
gotta start getting back to the conversation and talking about
where does the letter of the law mean anything, the
rule of the law, what does it mean anything. That's

(54:53):
how a miracle became a great the great democracy that
it was, was our law. And we have to get
back to business and start talking about how we're going
to take people. And that's why I'm running. So what
do you do now when you got a mayor and
you got a governor that are allowing anarchists to take
over city blocks and city precincts, which I never thought
would happen in my lifetime, Bernie Kerrick, And they reject,

(55:16):
steadfastly reject the president's daily offer for help and assistance
to restore order, which, by the way, as long as
they're not in there killing each other, I don't think
the President should be getting involved that. If that's how
they want to run their state, If that's how they
want to run their cities and allow anarchists to do
what they're doing out there, unless and until it becomes

(55:38):
totally untenable, that's their responsibility. They say no, well, president
offers help. No, Chicago, Illinois, president offers help. No. New
York same thing. No. You listen, and I want to
remind people those numbers I gave you in New York City.
That was during Giuliani's term. After Giuliani, Mayor Bloomberg came

(56:02):
in for twelve years. For twelve years, so for twenty
years straight, every single year there was violent crime reduced
murder in New York City. We had the most substantial
reductions in US history ever. And the only time, the

(56:24):
only time in twenty years after that twenty year period,
the only time it started to spike was under a Democrat,
under Mayor n Blasio. Then it started to change, and
in the last two weeks it spiked dramatically. And you
have a mayor that basically told his cops, in his words,

(56:44):
you're going to use a light touch in dealing with
these thugs and rioters and arsonists and anarchists. And they
burned Fifth Avenue, they burned Madison Avenue, soho the Diamond Exchange.
And you had a governor sitting in Albany saying, oh, yeah,
I'm not happy with the cops. I'm not happy with
the police. They didn't do their job. The mayor didn't

(57:05):
do his job. Really well, what is your job? You've
run the state of New York. Where are you? Why
weren't you there? What are you doing? And you know
what for any of these any of these executives, any
of these mayors or governors in any state that refuses
help from the President with regard to the National Guard

(57:26):
in rescoring law and order, they have a constitutional obligation
to their citizens, and they're refusing for political reasons because
they know the president's right, and they also know the
President's not going to stand for it. And if they
can't do their job, and he has to the job
will get done. So what do they do They refuse?

(57:48):
That's the refuse. Yeah, I gotta tell you, I'm gonna
have to let you both go. But former Commissioner m YPD.
Bernie Karen, Sergeant Dmitrich Penny. By the way, he's running
for Congress Texas c D thirty Congressional District thirty. Thank
you both. Eight hundred and ninety four one. Sean, you
want to be a part of the program, right, Jim
is in Texas. Jim, You're next on the Sean Hannity Show.

(58:08):
How are you? I'm good, sir. How are you today?
I'm good, sir. Glad you called excellent. Sir. I'll get
right to my point. In the recent weeks, I've heard
you speaking a lot about how you feel that what
happened in the Floyd incident was really just due to
a lack of training with police officers, and you want
more training. And I understand that point, sir, but I

(58:31):
couldn't disagree with you more. And the reason is, sir,
is Floyd did not die from the chokehold. That was
not a lack of training. That was just a lack
of moral character. That was just pure evil. In most agencies,
the chokehold is already illegal. And if you know anything
about training like you say you do, you can see

(58:52):
that Floyd was not in a chokehold. He just had
a knee on his neck. And I don't remember the
last that were killed from a chokehold, and it just
drives me crazy. And they when I hear people say
we're not trained well enough. I'm a patrol pugent. I've
been a police officer for thirteen years, and we get

(59:15):
trained beyond belief. We go through de escalation training, we
go through a defensive tactics training with martial arts involved
in it. Even even now in Texas when you go
through the driver's license when you're drivers d when you're
a young person, you're trained on how to interact with
police officers. Therefore, police officers are trained on what young

(59:38):
people are trained to interact with. You know, we have
we're trained in de escalation markets and in our my
particular area, we even have a unit that goes out
with a social worker for suicidal attempts in any kind
of mental issue and the other way. I think that's

(59:59):
a great idea to get a company police and maybe
the experts in that field, because cops can't possibly do
all that. Listen, I gotta run, But I know the
White House is expected to come out with reforms and
this week a lot of them hopefully will include training
and will include other people that could show up and
maybe help, you know, professionally, those people that might have
other issues, problems that they've got to deal with. I'm

(01:00:22):
not against any of that. More training. I'm absolutely more
options in terms of non lethal tools available for police officers.
Love that idea too, and I've been talking about that extensively.
So anyway, I gotta take a break. We'll come back
on the other side. By the way, we will get
into the issue. What about Okay, the uprisings that are
now happening around the country. Is COVID nineteens resurgence a

(01:00:45):
big deal? What about riots in our city streets and
now police standing down? Straight ahead right here for our
final news round up and information overload and a far
more serious scene. Watch. These images are really just an ugly,
a dangerous scene at the state Capitol in Michigan as
we look at this extreme group of people. Those pictures

(01:01:07):
and those clashes really show the chaos and you're out
there with guns. I don't want to call them rallies.
They're not protests. These quote unquote protests. I don't even
think that that's the right word, because protests are supposed
to be peaceful. I'm not embarrassed to say that I
was afraid. It's not clear what they're demanding. Demanding to
infect other people, demanding to make other people thick. It's dangerous,

(01:01:30):
and these people can take this home with them and
hurt their families and all the rest. I'd like to
ask them if they're willing to sign away their right
to treatment if and when they get infected. Who the
hell do you think you are? I don't understand what
is wrong with people stay at home. I want to
be clear and how I characterize this is mostly a protest.

(01:01:52):
It is not, generally speaking unruly. That ain't a riot
what we're seeing right now in Minneapolis. With me, any
reasonable person would say we shouldn't be destroying other people's property.
But these are not reasonable times. And please show me
where it says that protests are supposed to be polite
and peaceful. The beautiful thing is we're seeing citizens who
are carrying in concerned, they're hitting the streets. Heartwarming to

(01:02:14):
see so many people turn out peacefully. You know, Brook
I pick this is a march, really, but as they're
coming off, it's peaceful. They're saying peaceful protests across the country.
It's bringing people together, community with unity. People are risking
COVID to explain to this country that we're fed up news,

(01:02:38):
round up information overload hour on the Sean Hannity Show.
I mean, it is unbelievable. We're living in the craziest times.
We see what happens in Atlanta, you know, we see
what is happening in Seattle. We see what's happening to
fund the police. We're in the middle of an election
season with one hundred and forty one days to go,
and it is it's getting scarier by the day. You

(01:03:00):
have to worry about a COVID resurgence in some places.
A lot of the numbers that I'm seeing are like
quote percentage increases from the day before, three weeks before.
I didn't see that it was as bad. But you know,
I've said from the beginning, it's a matter of when,
not a matter of if we get a resurgence. Doctor
Rozowey said that as well. We bring back to the

(01:03:20):
program Joe Conscha, commentator opinion calumnist for The Hill, and
Mark Simone, host of the Morning Show here in New York.
Our flagship in New York, AM seven ten wr Mark Simone,
We've begin with you big overall picture, one hundred and
forty one days. The American people, they're the ultimate jury.
They're gonna have to sort through all of this. Your thought, sir, well,

(01:03:43):
Joe Biden not the slickest candidate in the world, not
the smoothest, talking, fast candidate in the world. I don't
know how he defends defund the police. I don't know
what possible argument he can make for that. He's backed
away from it, but he's still gonna have to answer
for that, and allowing six blocks Seattle to be seized
and declared a foreign country. He's tied to all of that.

(01:04:06):
These Democrats don't get their party back from the real
crazy progressives. They have no shot in November. Not that
they do anyway, but this is just making it one
of the most impossible miss is mission impossible for Biden?
If he ever gets out of the basement, Oh, if
he what do you mean? If he ever gets out,
He's getting out for like five seconds at a time.
My favorite lionel last week, Joe Conchez. Oh, I'm fine

(01:04:28):
with him. In the basement, he sees two people a day.
The two body men that said he sees two people
a day. I was a Democratic caucus caucus. No you haven't.
You're a line, dog faced pony soldier, you said you are.
But I'm nominated Democrat, a lifelong Democrat, a proud Democrat.

(01:04:49):
Biden vomba Democrat. Because we cannot get reelected. We cannot
win this reelection. Excuse me. We can only re elect
Donald Trump. I hope you'll all join us together. I
think we can win back the House. We're going to
keep the house. Increase it and flip the sentence. It's
a large portion of the union workers. They are gun enthusiasts,

(01:05:11):
and you are at to be trying to diminish your
second amount of right and think we are gun, you're force.
They go to shush, shush. No one is in a
position where they have a significant financial disability as a
consequence of this stars this particular crisis. We can do that.
We did that. We've been through this before with the coronavirus.

(01:05:31):
We've been through this before excooming. We've been through this
before with dealing with the viruses at the N one
h one five as well as what happened in Africa
one way again, they get inspires by great leaders who
are you know, called a supped or better angels, from
Abraham Lincoln to all the way you know, to f
Dr to to John Kennedy Bride et ce Rock. You

(01:05:56):
have to take care of the cure that will make
the problem worst, no matter what, no matter what. Excuse me,
you know you're supposed to cough into your elbow. I
don't know, sir. I learned that actually covering your White House,
you know. Actually, actually that's true. But fortunately I'm alone
in my home. But that's okay. Why doesn't he just
act like a president? That's a stupid way to say, sorry,

(01:06:23):
goodead No, no, I probably best I known. And what
we have done is the reason why most of the
world has repaired to us, particularly after World War Two,
is because of who we are as a nation, We
the people, we hold these truths, etc. Sounds corny, but
it's real. If we were setting up an education system

(01:06:46):
for the first time in our history, as we did
at the turn of the last in the late eighteen hundreds,
we would not say twelve years was enough. Twelve years
is not enough to live in a tent. The second
quarter of the middle of the twenty first century. What
is President Trump's level of culpability? What's his level of responsibility? Say,

(01:07:11):
toward the illness and fatalities we're witnessing every few minutes
these days. I put it slightly differently here, what is
his responsibility? And what if there wasn't an allocating responsibility? Is?
You know, I'll let history do that. We need to

(01:07:31):
get direct cash relief payments out to as many people
as possible, as quickly as possible. Again, this may sound straightforward,
but no Americans should have to wait a single minute
so Donald Trump can put his signature on a physical check.
Former vice president and Democratic presidential Kennet Joe Biden, thank
you so much for your time, so appreciate it. Well,

(01:07:52):
thanks for giving me the time. Thank you. I don't
wonder where I am now. I know when they asked
me where is Joe Biden? I say he was on
them showing MSNBC. People say all the time, Oh, we
got to get the vice president of the basement. He's
fine in the basebook. Two people see him a day,
his two bodied people. That's it, and let Trump keep
doing what Trump's doing. It's hard for the vice president

(01:08:13):
to break through and he gets to sit down there
quietly with no answers and a track record that's gonna
be gone over with a fine tooth comb, and everywhere
we begin to look, it's not particularly favorable to anything.
Your thoughts, well, I think that the fine tooth comb
will probably be used by few right and some other
outlets perhaps, but not many in the traditional mainstream media

(01:08:38):
are going to scrutinize Joe Biden's record in any way,
shape or form. We've seen that now to this point
that he could say literally whatever he wants and not
be challenged. For instance, the president won't leave office even
if he loses, and I'll have the military protect him,
and he's not going to leave, right, And that is
just stuff that even like Alex Jones here is and says,
wait a minute, that that's out of control, that's the
way out there. But he gets a pass because he

(01:08:59):
could say whatever he wants. It's because obviously people want
to see him get elected. But to Mark's point before,
I mean, picture miss parallel universe for a moment, in
terms of what we're seeing in Seattle. Let's say a
large mob took over a neighborhood and say I don't
know Brooklyn, right, And in fact, the mob isn't even
a mob. It's the Covington Catholic kids, and they're wearing
the Maga hat and this time you arm them, okay,
And they forced the police to evacuate their own building,

(01:09:22):
and then they construct walls, which are bad apparently, and
then they patrol the area and say who gets in,
who gets out. It's their own company in their country,
and they call themselves CHAZ, which of course doesn't stand
for the capitals whole Autonomo zone. This time it's the
Covington High School Autonomo zone. What would the media reaction
be because this story is largely being ignored, and I

(01:09:42):
know what the media reaction will because I'm ve enough
to remember, I don't know, a month ago, and you
played it in your montage before, when some protesters took
over or at least you know, for a little bit anyway,
the State House in Michigan, and some were armed, and
the only word that I could think of in terms
of the media coverage was maybe it's two words. I'm
not really sure what the answer is on this one.
Freaked out and we're not seeing the freak out anymore
because people agree with the message overall to fund the

(01:10:04):
police and all these things. So, yeah, what we're seeing
in terms of Seattle, when you compared to what happened
to Michigan, you could teach a class on what media biases.
That's exactly what it looks like. You know. The bias
is so palpable, so real. And I'm not overstating at
Mark Simone, every second minute hour of twenty four hour day,
every day since this guy, even before he was elected.

(01:10:27):
And now we learned a lot of how they tried.
People in power, the highest levels of power, tried to
try to subvert a free and fair election. We learned
that there was no Russia collusion. We see the double standard,
quid pro quo, Joe zero experience hunter and now it's
this And I watched city after city after city, No, universally, nobody,

(01:10:50):
There's not one person I know that ever defended what
happened to George Floyd. Not one. No, it's absolutely the
single worst cop I've ever seen in my life. Ray Kelly,
the greatest police Commission America, was on the show today.
He even he said, in his thirty forty years, the
worst thing he's ever seen. That's a problem with the protesting.
You busy protesting to people who agree with you for

(01:11:11):
the most part. And I hope this protest isn't wasted.
You got America's attention. Use it for something specific, Get
specific changes and things that you can get institutionalized. You know,
it's fun to rename streets and paint things on the street,
but that's just symbolic. It's not going to make any
real change that don't don't waste the protest, get something

(01:11:31):
accomplished with it. Well, okay, so, but how do you
stop an effort when they have the veto proof, you know,
city Council of Minneapolis that says we're going to defund
the police. What do you do when you have a
Seattle mayor that is calling this a summer of love
and the festive Zone and every other bizarre thing that

(01:11:51):
you know is being said about all of this. I mean,
I'm reading this daily and I'm like, you're kidding me, right,
we're gonna call it a festive zone. We're gonna say that.
You know, it's like a spig street party. When you
just take over city blocks, take over precincts. Cops don't
go in the mayor doesn't care, the governor doesn't care.
They don't want it to get involved at all. Seemingly well,
I think this is what kills Democrats in November. They

(01:12:13):
don't realize it yet, this way is started. They look
at these crazy left wing progressive build the Blasio type mayors,
this Minneapolis guy, this Dugie Howser left wing mayor, the
mayor of Seattle who just gives up control. And then
you see Joe Biden, you know, who just looks too slow,
too out of control. Donald Trump said at once, the
President said, this is the perfect candidate for these guys.

(01:12:35):
This is what the big donors want. They'll put him
in the nursing home and they'll run the country. And
people are going to start to realize that even before
the debates happened. Yeah Joe, Yeah, Joe Biden isn't running
for president. Guys. Actually, this Mark just perfectly stated. They
put him in. He's a vessel to get in because
maybe you can bring him moderates in Pennsylvania, Ohio and
Michigan and Wisconsin, those key states that Donald Trump took

(01:12:58):
lass time. And then from there people you don't even know,
forget who who the vice president is. People you don't
even know. Behind the scenes, faceless people will be running
this country. Gotta take a break. More with Joe Concho,
More with Mark Simone on the other side, eight hundred
and ninety four one, Sean, you want to be a
part of the program, then your calls coming up next
half hour. Look, I want one of the things that

(01:13:21):
that I think is really important is that we somehow
put that back on. There's somehow that we're in a
situation where all right, as we continue with our friends
Mark Simone, Joe Concho, or with us all right, Joe,
So where does this all end in a one hundred
and forty one days now that we get to hear
the great Joe Biden and we see all of these

(01:13:43):
all of this anarchy, chaos, disorder, failure of big liberal
cities and states, does that now factor into what happens
in November? I would think so. I'm getting out of
the prediction business, by the way, because if you told
me even in January that everything that just happened the
last three months. I heard a great line from somebody recently.
He said, we have lived an entire decade in the

(01:14:05):
first five months of the twenties, right, crazy thing that's happened,
it's not so who knows what the next one hundred
and forty five days holds because we've had no room.
Mark knows this. You know this, Sean. There hasn't been
a slow day in news probably I don't know three
or four years. So one hundred things can happen. But overall,
in the end, if the fund the police actually sticks
to Democrats and look, Alexandrocascio Cortez wants that, and she

(01:14:28):
is an advisor on the on the Biden campaign as
far as being part of the chairman of a task
force that he runs. If he if the president's able
to attach law and order and chaos to Democrats in
terms of defunding the police, in terms of that, he's
the guy who's going to keep the country safe. Well,
if you let Biden and then you're gonna have seattle

(01:14:48):
all over the place, then that we get in a
very composition. All Right, We'll give the last forty five
seconds to our friend Mark Romone. Where's this headed? Mark?
I have no idea that they tried Russian collusion to
fake you raincall. They tried to tank you the economy,
They've tried a pandemic. They tried to riots, looting. I
don't know what's next, Aliens from outer space, Locus. I
don't know what they got planned Locus. By the way,

(01:15:12):
it wouldn't surprise me. At this point, we've seen everything
else and the incredible tough search for a vice president.
Why didn't they search this hard for the right candidate.
They're working harder in the vice president needed in the
presidential candidate. Oh man, all right, Mark Simone and us
referenced by the way that you threw in there. Don't
think I didn't catch that. I caught that too, by

(01:15:33):
the way you think he Mark's clever. Mark likes to
throw these things out. By the way, in our next life,
everybody wants to beat Mark Simone. And then only Linda
knows the truth. But a two hour radio shift every
day in middle of the day. Oh no, no, no, no,
that that's nothing. That is that's the tip of the iceberg.
There's no more popular figure than than Mark Simone. The

(01:15:56):
rare times I go out, I turn around, there's Mark.
This guy is a social butterfly among butterflies. Well that
means you're there too, Yeah, a few times I'm there.
You're always there, which means you're everywhere otherwise I'm in
the library, the museum. Yeah, yeah, I don't even believe
that for a second. All right, thank you both. The
eight hundred and nine four one sewn you want to

(01:16:16):
be a part of the program. All right, twenty five
now until the top of the hour, we'll get two
calls here in a minute. Eight hundred and ninety four
one sean, you want to be a part of the program.
So I have this book coming out, which I'm very
proud of, and I was worried at different times because
I wanted to keep it as current as possible. I
started it over a year ago. It's called Live Free
or Die, America and the World on the Brink, and

(01:16:40):
I have it in Latin underneath live Free or America Dies.
And Okay that's hyperbole. No, And I actually think I
designed this book a special way because, and I'm feeling
it now with each passing day more than ever, that
the great country, this great republic. Chapter one a republic

(01:17:05):
if you can keep it. You know, it has to
do with the Constitutional Convention and this widely told story
of Ben Franklin, and you know he comes out. Is
it a monarchy? Or a republic. It's a republic if
you can keep it. And I've never ever thought that
we would get this far in this country with so

(01:17:27):
many embracing the most radical and extreme ideas, ideals that
would absolutely upend the greatest, freest, best republic and constitutional
governance in the history of the world. Not perfect. Nobody's

(01:17:49):
saying it's perfect. We're not perfect. You know, we've watched
movements before. And the reason that I thought it was
important that I go through a history, if you will,
of what founded the principles that our framers and founders
believed would make this the greatest country on earth, because

(01:18:10):
if you don't see this as a tipping point, critical
pivotal point in our history, then I don't know what
America you're looking at. I mean, you've got groups of
people now that are happy with the idea of defunding
the police. You you have cities now seating blocks and

(01:18:30):
police precincts to anarchists and not doing a thing, not
lifting a finger to stop it and to maintain law
and order. You now see that curfews are meaningless, you know,
and you really you get to see the failure of
decades and decades of Democratic Party rule in cities, big

(01:18:53):
blue states, big blue cities all across the country. It
can't be any more stark than what we have now
on every single issue. And when you look over and
this is an entire chapter that you know, the fantasy land,
which is the new radical Democrat extremist party and their agenda,
and what is their agenda? Okay, well, ten years no

(01:19:15):
more oil or gas. You know, for the first time
in seventy five years, we are energy independent. It is
the lifeblood of the world's economy. But they want to
eliminate it. If you eliminate it, it's a guaranteed prescription
for poverty. You now have of talk of everything is
going to be free. I go over all the costs mathematically,

(01:19:36):
it's impossible to implement Medicare for all ten years of
fifty two trillion dollars, the New Green Deal ninety four
trillion dollars. Okay, guys, be only taken four and four
and a half trillion a year. Do the math. It's
not complicated, and that would mean you have no defense.
On top of it, it is school is going to

(01:19:57):
be free, guaranteed government jobs, help, guaranteed government healthy foods,
got guaranteed education from basically the minute you can walk
to the you know, all the way through college, eliminating
school debt that people have to pay about who's going
to pay for all of this? These these are the
false promises of liberalism. And then eventually, well then we're

(01:20:18):
going to get rid of you know, cars, and we'll
have plug in stations everywhere. Okay, We're gonna just upend
the automobile industry like that. We're gonna get rid of eventually,
airplanes and cows. They're saying it. It's not that I'm
making it up. And you can see that if you
believe that they were moderates within the Democratic Party, you
see that their voices are squashed and shut down by

(01:20:39):
this this new extreme radical leftist party, you know. And
you can look at you know, pre coronavirus, and you
can see, okay, compared Donald Trump's agenda and what he
did for the country in a short period of time
under the worst of circumstances, I've never seen a president
hated to this extent. I've never seen a medias so
ninety nine point nine since so harshly aligned against the president.

(01:21:04):
There's nothing in their world or minds that Donald Trump
can do right. But he kept his promises on cutting
taxes and it worked. He kept his promises on ending
burdensome regulation and that worked. He said he'd get rid
of you know what, three or four to every one
new regulation. It's like eight eighteen to one. He said
he'd appoint constitutionalists, not activist justices to the courts, and

(01:21:26):
he's done that too. He said he'd secure the border. Well,
by November, we'll have four hundred miles of brand new
border wall. And it was a heavy lift every step
of the way. You know, you have Democrats. They want
open borders. They create their sanctuary cities, their safe zones,
they're autonomous zones, their summers are free love whatever zones,

(01:21:48):
and you could see that they want open borders for everybody.
I don't think that's a good idea, especially considering the
heroine and the fete and all the cross into this
country from across the border. And I just as you
look at the foreign defense differences and foreign policy differences. Okay,
we're gonna bribe dictators with cargo planes full of cash
and other currency one hundred and fifty billion from mullahs

(01:22:10):
in Iran. The chant death to America and death to
Israel and burn our flags. You know you're gonna get
upset over Russia collusion, but not Hillary's dirty dossier. And
nobody in the media, no Democrats, seems upset over the
fact that there never was any evidence whatsoever of any
Trump Russia collusion. As a matter of fact, it's been debunked.

(01:22:32):
And they dragged the country through three years of hell,
and then once that didn't work out, then another six
months of hell over Ukraine. And I go into the
book in deep detail on that. How can that happen
in America? And as of now the book is done,
you know, nobody's really been held accountable. I think they
will be, but so far they have it. But you know, Sean,
the one of the things, you know, and we've talked

(01:22:54):
about this so much over the past year when you
were writing this, and obviously you know, I've been with
you for fifteen years, so I've seen you know, you're
such a You're a student of history, you love history,
and I think you know this book. Like when you
said I think I'm gonna write this, I'm like, oh,
dear Lord, because you know, I know how hard conservative
victory was for you. In twenty ten and all that
we went through to get that message. I don't like

(01:23:14):
writing and everyone's gonna sell you during it from I mean, no,
I'm not. I'm doing it. You know I did this, Linda,
And you know why, of course, and why I had
all these people that I asked to research this, research this, research,
this research this, and I mean I wanted to really
make a comprehensive I want to I'm laid out in
this book what is at stake. I have laid out

(01:23:35):
exactly what is on the line in one hundred and
forty one days. And I'll tell you right now, and
I'll predict here now. If Donald J. Trump does not
win this election, guaranteed this country will be unrecognizable for
our kids and grandkids. It's a done deal. That I mean,

(01:23:55):
that is poignant, That is true. There is this is
a very scary time. I mean, we are having people
call in I'm seeing it all over social media. You know,
people that have called themselves hard left for years, and
they're talking about like we don't even recognize our own party,
Like we can't even what is this autonomous zone? You know,
I mean it's like, who do you call when there
is no police officer to come to you. You know,

(01:24:17):
what we all saw that happened to Minneapolis was heartbreaking
and terrifying and just so destructive to your soul, to
everybody who watched it. But then it became a movement
that was already planned by a group called Antifa, that
was taking over the group of protesters that were doing
it for the right reasons, and we lost ourselves in
the message of it all. And it's like we should
be unifying over this and looking for solutions, but they're

(01:24:39):
excusing it to continue. They are. You know, honestly, I
warned about Obama and his radical background and his agenda.
He seems like a moderate compared to what's being discussed now.
Lie on every issue. Joe Biden, you know, y'all cave
on that. I'll cave on that. I'm really with you
on here, here here, and we all know that Joe

(01:25:01):
is not exactly a guy with That's a fastball if
you ever had one. Yeah, and honestly too, I think
you know it saw a really interesting tweet by Colonel
Allen West this weekend, and he's in our prayers because
he just had a horrible motorcycle accident. Has gone through
a lot right now, but putting that aside, you know,
he tweeted out and he said, you know, listen, he's like,
I'm an African American. I served in my military. He's like,

(01:25:23):
but you know, just because you tear down statues, you
don't erase history. History is what it is. We have
to learn from it. And that dovetails exactly into what
we're talking about with your book. You know, we're looking
through the prism of history. We're looking through all that
has happened through our American history. And this Father's Day,
you know, when people are sitting down with their families,
because that's what happens on Father's Day, just like we

(01:25:43):
talked about on Mother's Day, just like we talk about
with anniversary's, birthday's weddings, where the family gets together. This
Father's Day, you know, we can take a look at
your book and say, Okay, this is how we got here,
this is how we stay here, this is how we
keep America great, and this is how we build upon
on our mistakes. We learn from them when we find solutions.
You know, your book is about hearkening back, looking from

(01:26:05):
and learning from history. A racing history does not help
us to learn from the mistakes that we've made, and
when this book is an opportunity for fathers and sons
and daughters and families to get together. You know, on
Father's Day, when you're sitting around the table and you're
looking at Live, Free or Die, you know, there's great
book that you've written and you've taken the time to do.
You know that such a great gift, you know, and
it has it just keeps on giving because you're learning

(01:26:27):
every time you're reading, and it's something we can do together.
You know. It's one thing that I that I really
spent a couple of things that really did a deep
dive into, and that was our nation's founding in history,
I did a deep dive. Chapter four, Well one is
the democrats agenda. Most people listen to the show know
that because I go over daily stuff I don't talk

(01:26:47):
probably enough about is socialism. It's chapter four, the history
of Failure. I talked a lot about Russia, collusion, the
attempted you know, coup there and the impeachment, axaster and
duplicity and hypocrisy and the mob and the media. I
talk about them, and you know, this assault on all

(01:27:08):
things that are freedom and then nobody really has the
comprehensive list of all the accomplishments of this president. And
then I go into the whole coronavirus thing. I edited
that chapter late in the game because I wanted to
keep it as current as possible. And I'll tell you
this that as I look at this landscape, I am
I am not afraid to say that I am really

(01:27:30):
concerned more than I've ever been in my life about
what this country will look like. You know, you want
guaranteed universal basic income through a majority of Americans now
on to elect socialist office. Do you really believe in
the New Green Deal? Do you really agree with the
Northams of the world. First of all, have the baby

(01:27:52):
blah blah blah, make sure the baby's comfortable, then decide
open borders, sanctuary cities. Do you believe in the lawlessness?
Do you believe in anarchists? Do you believe that you'd
ever see cops pelted eight hundred of them hurt so far,
bottles and bricks and rocks and molotov cocktails, and they
do nothing, They absolutely do nothing right. And the thing

(01:28:15):
that you're talking about here is about the thing that
you're talking about here is as that, um, you know,
you have a situation where people are no longer looking
at each other's human beings. You know, I was in
church yesterday and my pastor made a very interesting part
of his sermon, which he dedicated to you know. He's like,
I want everybody look around the church. And we're having

(01:28:35):
all of our services outside because of COVID, and he's like,
I want everybody look around the church right now, and
I want you to understand that a lot of you
are going to do things irritate each other. Maybe you
don't like this one or this one watches this channel
and this one, by the way, is he talking directly
to you? Because everything I do irritation. He's like, irritate
everybody in my life. Unbelievable. He's great. But he made

(01:28:56):
an interesting point, which is like he's like, you gotta
love the rioters. Got to love the protesters because they're
children of God and they know not what they do
at this moment, and you need to love them and
forgive them because that's what God is doing for all
of us. And I was like, hmmm, because you know Friday,
when I drove into the city, you know, I had
a protester all week. My car's been getting jumped on,
I've been getting pelled. I had a guy spit in

(01:29:16):
my face on Friday, and call me all sorts of
interesting names, you know, And you know we're living this.
It's it's not just what you see on TV. Like,
we're living it every day. And it's very, very hard
to do that. And I think that a book like
Live Free or Die it's so poignant right now because
we are literally exercising our freedoms and those that wish

(01:29:38):
to be tolerated are not tolerant of anything. You know. Look,
you're you're much younger than me. Okay, let me let
me be honest here. Thirty one years I've been doing
this in Radio twenty five of Fox, and I've been
blessed beyond anything I ever deserve, trust me, And I
know that I'm reminded of it daily. And I will
tell you that it's it's what I look at. You

(01:30:00):
lend the only sense videos a Liam her Son, and
I look at that that kid is full of life.
That cracks me up. This kid, like a lot of kids,
I think kids are amazing. And I look at this
and I'm like, this is not that country is not
going to exist. This country as we know it, the
one I grew up and is not going to exist.
And that's the thing that we're talking about this Father's Day.
Nisable right. If you're you literally have to live free

(01:30:23):
or die, because if we do not save this country
for our children, which is why we do everything we do,
we are going to be in big trouble. And that's
one hundred and forty one days from now today. All right,
loaded up the latest news information. Oh we can protest,
they're not socially distant, but don't have a rally party
in the fake news. We'll get to that. Also, we
will have full analysis of the shooting in Atlanta or

(01:30:46):
Rayshard Brooks and what went on in that particular situation,
the chaos, the mayhem and the anarchy on autonomous zones
and the summer of free love. We'll update you there
so you DVR ninet Eastern Hannah, Fox News. We'll see
you tonight at night. I'm back here tomorrow. Thanks for
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