November 28, 2024 • 31 mins
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Marie Johnson, once a woman in jail for 21 years was given a second chance by President Trump, and has been fully pardoned. She discusses her relationship with the President and the lies being spread about him, as people attempt to create racial divisiveness. Also joining her is former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick who now fills Michigan’s airwaves, praising the man who freed him from prison: former President Donald Trump. After the pushback from Christians everywhere following her disgusting response to two attendees at her rally, who yelled “Jesus is Lord.” Kamala’s response of ‘you’re at the wrong rally’ has been met with disbelief from Christians, of all races and backgrounds. Kamala spent time at a black church in Georgia yesterday with her “souls to the polls” effort. People are not buying it.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Stay right here for our final news roundup and information overload.
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a part of the program. Fifteen days until an inflection point.
I would argue for this country, two weeks from today
it'll be election, even America. I think it's the most
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important tipping point election in our lifetime. One thing that
we now see as a phenomenon is that Democrats are
just freaking out at every poll. We've gone over the
poll numbers earlier in the program today, over demographic breakdowns
and how African Americans, Hispanic Americans are moving towards Donald
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Trump in larger numbers than anybody thought possible. And a
lot of people forget Donald Trump's record when it comes
to minorities in America. I've gone over the economic record
more than any other. The people that benefited the most
for the first three years just prior to the pandemic
from Donald trump economic policies by far, and that's measured
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by in terms of income increases, the reduction of poverty,
were African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans women in the workplace,
and African American youth unemployment. There was never a president
that committed more money to historically black universities and colleges
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than Donald J. Trump. There's never been a president that
took seriously the issue of disparate sentencing on which had
been a source of discussion in this country for decades,
than Donald Trump. And you know, I think the scene
that America probably remembers the most is our friend who
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will join us in a minute. Alice Marie Johnson proud
to call her a friend to this day. And she
had a one time offense. He had been in jail
for twenty one years, and she thought she would end
up dying in jail and that was the end of
her life. And rather than becoming bitter and angry, he
ended up counseling young women that would go to prison
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and basically help them in their lives and help them
rebuild their lives and get their priorities in order so
that they'd never come back. But not an opportunity she
thought would ever come away, but thanks to Donald Trump,
it did. Here's Kamala Harris addressing over the weekend that
there's a narrative about the kind of support we're receiving
from black men. And here's what she said.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Do you think some of the resistance of some men
black and white is misogynist? And are you proud to
see that most Americans is even even being told have
no problem supporting a woman at all. And I'm one
that lived from Shirley to Kamalo in these campaigns.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
I have an emotional reaction to you raising the point
of Shirley chishm because it is on her broad shoulders
that I stand and so many of us stand, and
we have come a long way to your point.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
That being said, I think that.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
You are absolutely right that there is this narrative about
what kind of support we are receiving from black men
that is just not panning out in reality in terms
of when I go to last night Atlanta and had
I think ten thousand people at a rally, I will
also say this, rev I am very clear, I must
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earn earn the vote of everyone, regardless of their race
or gender. And what can be frustrating sometimes is to
have journalists ask me this question as though one should
assume that I would just be able to take for
granted the vote of black men.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I think that's actually.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
An uninformed perspective, because why would black men be any
different than any other demographic voter. They expect that you
earn their vote.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Now, let's go back to her surrogate Barack Obama and
lecturing African American men on the issue of quote the
Brothers not supporting Kamala Harris and suggesting that it was
misogyny and not wanting a woman elected president. Listen, seeing
the same.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Kinds of energy and product in all quarters of our data,
race and communities as you saw I was. Now, I
also want to say that seems to be more pronounced
with brothers.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
I'm feeding you men directly as.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
A part of it makes me may fit. Well, you
just aren't feeling the idea of having a when this president,
and you're coming up with other alternatives and other.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Reasons for him.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
So now you're thinking about sitting down or even supporting
somebody who has a history pedegrating you because you're thin.
That's a sid straight, because that's one paying a man
is putting women down.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
That's not exciting. The Republicans are racist, They're sexist, misogynistic, homophobic, xenophobic,
is lamophobic, transphobic. They want dirty air and water, and
they want to take away grandma and Grandpa's Social Security
and Medicare and throw them over a cliff. I tell you,
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I told you that that would be what they're reduced
to by the end of this campaign. And here we
are anyway. My dear friend Alice Murrie Johnson is back
with us. Kwame Kilpatrick is also back with us. He's
the Detroit mayor, by the way, himself now on the
Michigan airways and was freed from prison, both of them
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by former President Donald J. Trump. Welcome back. We appreciate
your time. Alice Maria, I love you. How are you.
I'm proud to say that we are friends on air
and off air.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
Thank you, Sean. I'm happy to be on here again.
And you are my dear friend, my dear beloved friend,
and I'm happy to be on here and add my
voice to the voice of sense. First of all, in
case your listeners didn't know this, I'm a one hundred
percent woman and black Americans, and I for one am
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sick and tired of all of the gender and racial
pandering that I'm hearing taking place. You know, Sean, they
speak of the first woman of color as president. They
speak of black men having a problem voting for a woman.
That is not the issue, it's the candidate. We don't
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want our first to be the worst, and that's what
we'd end up with if we select Kamala Harris. The
worst in history is what she would be if she's elected.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I just want to remind people of your story. You
never thought that you had one time offender and you
got a life prison sentence.
Speaker 6 (07:27):
YEA, no hope years, no hope until Donald Trump, who
actually read my story. I was denied three times under
the Obama administration. And when Donald Trump saw my case,
it wasn't the fact that it was Kim Kardashian as celebrity.
It was the fact that he looked at me as
a human being, and he had mercy and compassion upon him.
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And not only did he look at myself, but he
allowed me to bring other petitions of worthy candidates before him.
You got one one of those people on the phone
right now, and that's Kwame kill Patrick. I took his
petition before President Trump, and he did not look He
looked at them. He looked at the man who Kwame
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is today. And I love for kwame to speak for
himself too, because we both both of our lives were
saved by President Trump.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Well, Kwame's kill. Patrick. Great to have you back. We
appreciate you being with us. Remind people of your story
of the mayor of Detroit. How long were you sentenced for?
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Again, I was the mayor of Detroit, but before that,
I was the Democratic leader and the state Legislature in Michigan.
You know, I ran for the State House at twenty five,
I was leader by thirty. I was you know, on
the DLC, the DNC, I was on both of those
executive boards. I was like a Clinton Democrat, if you will,
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traveled on Air Force one and around the world with
Bill Clinton, over to London, and you know, I was
involved in that. My mother was the United States Congresswoman.
She was far to the left of me, one of
those liberation Democrats, my hero. But it's just a very
interesting background. Then I got to be mayor Iran at
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thirty one. At thirty one and was mayor for seven years.
And then my gift, my anointing, as you will, Sean,
it took me to a place that my character integrity
didn't grow at the same place at the same pace,
and so I fell from that position found myself in
a prison sentenced to twenty eight years. I had thirty
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four countsl When I hear that thirty four over and
over about the President, it's like a wicked reminder to
me of what the system can do when they have
you in their grips. And so I ended up being
charged and then being convicted and went to that on
that sentence and then seven years. About thirty nine days
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short from eight years in prison, I was sitting in
a solitary confinement for about two hundred and some days
and the warden came to the door and said, we're
gonna get you out of here quick and quiet. You
received a commutation from the president. It's true. I hit
the floor, thank God, and got up and walked out
the front door. And since that time, I've been looking
for Donald Trump. I gotta find, I have to find.
(10:16):
I never met Donald Trump. I never had a conversation
with Donald Trump. And finally I did make it to
meet with him on just a crazy circumstance of seeing
one of his good friends in Detroit, and we had
that meeting. I got a chance to thank him, and
this is why I want people to know. Donald Trump
has never asked me to do it or say anything.
(10:38):
As a matter of fact, in that meeting, I learned
so much about demand Donald Trump. We were together all day,
from about ten to eleven in the morning, all the
way to about eleven o'clock at night. We are at
the golf course are early in Marlago that evening, and
what really floored me was how intuitive he is, the
questions that he asked, how he yearned for information knowledge,
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and so I was able to break down the Michigan
electory what it is, what happened. He wanted to hear
about how in one county you have a thirty thousand
vote swing, and I explained that to him. But it
was a chance for me to get to know from
myself the man Donald Trump and the president Donald Trump,
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not just the person who most of the media try
to make him out to be on television.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Now you're broadcasting, and tell me about your life now
and how you're a different person.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Well in prison, after being mad at everybody shine for
about a year and a half and being floored, I
had at that time I had three children from my
first marriage of twenty four years. My sons were totally
upset with me and upset with life, and they dropped
out of school and all kinds of stuff happened for
a time, and I went to the chapel one day
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and met this guy from Yukon, Oklahoma, Bruce Smith, and
I'm sure he's listening to you. That guy loves you,
and so I've been going to get his name. But
he asked me to have a personal relationship with the
Lord Jesus Christ, and I told him I didn't. And
from that place we started to move together. And after
that I started teaching Bible studies and did all the courses.
Then I started preaching in the chapel. So when I
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got out, my wife and I'm my new wife. We
founded a ministry in Georgia. We have now moved our
ministry to Detroit, just outside of Detroit, and that's what
I'm doing. I'm speaking around the country. I'm ministering on
the weekends and doing counseling and different stuff. I'm trying
to be what I needed at thirty years old to
a lot of people in this country and so helping
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them understand the importance of integrity and character when you're
in leadership positions, when that that's political, but they at
the law firm, the medical practice, or in business, and
so that's what I do. Now. I have a new
wife and three new kids too, said, I have a
thirteen year old, a two year old, and a one
year old, so I have them from twenty eight to one.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Man, you're staying busy. Quick break right back more with
Alice Marie Johnson Kwame Killpatrick both commuted pardon Donald J. Trump.
Of course, the whole issue of criminal justice reform is
not one that's been discussed and not one that Democrats
that want to talk about because they've done nothing on
the issue and Donald Trump actually did. Quick break right back,
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will continue on the other side with Alicebury Johnson and
Kwame Kilpatrick. I would continue now with Alicebury Johnson. Remember
she had a life sentence and Donald Trump set her
free because of criminal justice reform. Kalme Killpatrick was facing
twenty eight years in jail, and just on the eve
of what would have would have been eight years in jail,
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Donald Trump commuted his sentence. Aliceburray Johnson, you've stayed in
touch with President Trump, and if he gets re elected,
I know for a fact that he's gonna want to
go to you and have you do what you started
to do towards the end of his term, which is
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to find people in jail there that deserve pardons, like
people like yourself and Kwame, that have changed their lives around,
and give him a second chance. And that's a big
part of his agenda. Never gets talked about.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
But it's true, John, what President Trump has done. He
is not a person that just has ideas. All I've
heard is ideals and dreams. He has solid policies that
he's standing on. I'm not supporting. I'm not endorsing him
because he set me free. I'm endorsing him because he
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is the best leader for this nation. We've already had
one thousand, three hundred and seventy days of a puppet
administration of a puppet.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Because I'm not interrupting you, because I don't want to
hear you speak, I'm going to pick up this point
on the other side, I do have the constraints of time.
Stay right there, we'll come back. We'll continue final moments
with Alice, Marie Johnson, Kwame Kilpatrick, and then we'll hit
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criminal justice reform and two people that benefited from Donald
Trump being president or Aliceburray Johnson life sentence for one offense.
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It was a drug offense and amazingly she never thought
she'd get out of prison, and now Donald Trump has well.
When he was president, tapped her to take on the
role of finding people that have changed their lives around
dramatically in prison that might deserve a second chance. Also
with US former Detroit mayor Juame Kilpatrick, they had been
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sentenced to twenty eight years in jail, was on the
verge of meeting his eighth anniversary and found out Donald
Trump commuted his sentence. Aliceburry Johnson, So let's go back
to maybe what role you might take on if Donald
Trump is able to pull this election off, and I
hope he is and he wins this election, he will
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well from your lips, from your lips to God's ears,
let's hope. But you've stayed in touch with President Trump,
and you have had discussions with him, and I've had
discussions with him about you and about what role you
might play in finding those people maybe that were sentenced unfairly,
maybe that suffered injustices at the hands of I don't know,
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prosecutors that were overly aggressive and unfair, or maybe they
just changed their heart and their lives around, and you
would help him in that regard. Tell us what maybe
you might be doing in the future.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
Well, I would be very honored, Sean, to have President
Trump find these deserving individuals.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Again.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
I had the honor of sitting before him in the
Oval office bringing cases. In fact, he asked me to.
He said, Alice, I know there's other people who deserve
their freedom like you do. He said, how many do you.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
Think it is?
Speaker 6 (20:58):
I made this big gesture that was too big to
even name, and he gave me the opportunity to talk
to him about these people, to bring their cases to him.
I sent over one hundred clemency petitions into the White
House and almost we were able to help well, actually
I was able to help almost fifty people get a
second chance in life. And I want to continue that work.
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I know he is a fair man. He is one
who listens. He's one who's concerned not only about the
individual but for the safety of communities. That's a big consideration.
He's suggests not opening the prison doors and saying go home.
He's carefully considering the individuals who are brought before him.
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So it will be a great honor to work in
that capacity again to help President Trump. So I'm looking
forward to his second term in office.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
And what about you, Kawami, have you ever thought about
maybe joining forces with Alice Marie Johnson and and being
a part of that work. I'm sure in the course
of your time you spent a lot of time in
prison that you probably ran into people that you thought, hey,
they they were impressive in terms of their ability to
change their life around, or were there unfairly Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
You know where there are two women, the TC of
Kirpatrick and Alice Johnathon. I do whatever they tell me, Sean,
So it's just one of those people. But the other
part of that is that sentiment is not only within
prison walls. I'm born and raised in Detroit, right in
the neighborhood, and I've been doing everything I can in
Detroit and throughout Michigan. I've been speaking at a lot
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of different events, and whenever I'm called, I go because
I want people to not be misguided by what I
used to do on the Democratic side. I ran the
Camp statewide campaign for the Democrats from the nineties. I'm
listening to the warmed over nineteen ninety eight stuff being
spoken now by the VP. It's all DLC, DNC stuff, clintoneduff,
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you know, middle class tax cuts, small business loans. I mean,
this stuff has been talked about forever, and they've been
hearing it forever and not receiving any benefit from any
of it. And so I've been wanting people to understand
what this is about and what to the credit of
President Trump, he just says it like it is and
people take them or leave them. But black men in particular, well,
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I'm gonna just go up beyond that. Detroiters all working people,
people that work in clans, and entrepreneurs, street entrepreneurship in
terms of barbershops, beauty shops, real estate development, construction. People
like to hear straight talking. He's been doing that, and
so when I show up, my job has become a
lot easier to convince people that they need to make
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the extra just one more little energy step to vote
for him, because a lot of people are already talking
about sending it out, and I'm trying to move people
to the polls because I think it's very important, not
just for Detroit and not just for Michigan, but for America.
You know, I did a speech and you said that
I was on the airwaves. I'm on airways and in
Georgia and Louisiana and Michigan. And what I said in
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that speech is I need Trump in the room. I
want him in the room when Vadimin Putin shows up.
I want him in the room, when Shay from China
shows up. I want him in the room when North
Korea shows up to the meeting. And I can't imagine
having the vice president being our leader, our spokesperson, our
person at the table with all the issues on the
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table in the room for us, and so I ask
men especially and all women to think about that. You know,
this is not about man.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Let me ask both of you, then, why do you
think that there has been a shift at least in
the polling of minorities in our country? Why is it
this mantra every two years four years election cycle? And
now it's it's gone so off the rails. Kwame you
know Trump is he got compared to let's Mussolini and
(25:01):
Hitler and Stalin all in one in one comment. Then
of course he's going to come after African American men
and women, which he's not going to do. He's going
to use the military against citizens and take people off
the air, he's not going to do. But the fear
mongering happens. But it's never been this bad. And it
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also tells me that they've run out of arguments. And
that's their whole closing argument is Donald Trump is bad, evil, horrible,
Nazi and fascist and the racist.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
You know, as Hollywood has gone, you know, the scary
movies from the nineteen sixties, like Psycho, they just weren't
as scary as Freddy Krueger and Jason and the ones.
Now they weren't as scary as those. Every four years
you got to scare people a little bit more than
you did before. And what we're seeing now is it's
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just not working. It's really not working. It works if
you're targeting the sick demology of some people, but it's
not working. And that's why you're seeing people, you know,
having their own thoughts in their own mind about this
whole political process. And and I think it started when
we were there. You talked about cities. You know, the
Democrats have have all. I was a Democrat engaged in
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a Democrat. The Democratic Party, Democratic president has never worked.
When I engaged George Bush, we got a new riverfront
done that we've been talking about doing for thirty years.
We got a new downtown done.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
We we well, let me ask you this, did you
it was Barack Obama president when you went to jail
or no, he was president.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
He sent the prosecutor in there to prosecute me. He
sent he uh okayed all of the reco allegations, and
every lawyer from California to New York, New Jersey, from
Texas all the way to Michigan. It looked at my
case said this is ridiculous. And when it got to
Alice Johnson and Jerry Kushner and the President of the
United States, they said, this is ridiculous. And you know,
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the over sentence and the over uh, you know, over
everything just malicious and prosecution, which I see the President
going through himself now, And they said this is ridiculous,
and he gave me my freedom. So I think people
are tired of rhetoric. I think they're tired of people
trying to scare them. They want to hear the straight story.
When Donald Trump comes to town and he talks about
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entrepreneur opportunity, he's not trying to be black. What he's
trying to do is be Donald Trump talking to you
about what I can do in my position to be
able to help you get more access to business, more
access to capital, and improve your tax structure so you
make some money. That's what black folk want to hear.
It's just like this Black America versus now. We want
to hear the same thing that you're telling them. To
know that you're saying in the suburban communities, what you're
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saying the business people all over the country. And I
think Donald Trump understands that he's not changing the way
he talks. He's not trying to be cool. He's being
Donald Trump. And that's what's resonating around the country. Now,
when you get Trump, you're going to get sometimes when
he says something, Oh, that hurt a little bit, But
I think that that heals in comparison to all of
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the other things that he says about doing the job
that he has to do as leader of the free world,
as president of the United States.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
And you've endorsed him, have you got any any negative
feedback on that? And Alsbury? Have you got any negative feedback? Kwame,
You'll ask you first.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
Oh, yeah, yeah, you know. I was you know, I
was a big time Democrat. I was on the DNC.
So when I endorsed him, I got negative feedback from everybody,
you know, all of those tenants.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
And forget about the people and the party, what about
everyday people.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
You know.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
I saw President Trump with LJ in the barbershop, and
I'm like, I love the conversation, you know, because I
mean kind of barbershops are known for a lot of talking.
I know what was like that when I grew up?
Speaker 5 (28:43):
Great question, because ninety six percent of the people in
the city of Detroit on paper are Democrats. But when
I'm in the barbershop every week in the city of Detroit,
what I hear is, man, you gotta do what you
gotta do. Hey, I'm leaning towards Trump too. I'm not
mad at Donald Trump. So we're able to have a
different kind of conversation away from the political ads and
the political conversations where you just talk about real people
(29:05):
to say it was better when he was president. I
want a president that actually is going to leave. I'm
kind of nervous about what China and Russia and North
Korea are doing. I'll mean they at the tall youle
so we hear real issues in the barbershop. You're right
about that shop.
Speaker 6 (29:19):
Well, i'm the barbershop, but I travel a lot.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
By the way, you're in the beauty shop where you belong.
You make us look like you know, you know. Is
there no barbershop or beauty shops that can help call
me or me no question?
Speaker 6 (29:35):
Well I can tell you this. I have people come
up to me in the supermarket, in the airport, everywhere
because my face is pretty recognizable down here, and they
tell me that they are voting for Trump this time
and even even just recently. I have to tell you this,
what antidote. This guy was just pushing at the airport,
(29:56):
this big garbage band, just collecting the trash, and he
eased up beside me and he said, you're gonna help it.
He said, you're gonna help it because that's my guy.
He said, I didn't vote for him in twenty twenty,
and look at what I'm doing right now. He started
telling me about the job he lost and what he
had to do now because of his company had to
(30:16):
lay off so many people. So every day, when it
starts hitting your pocketbooks, when it starts hitting your wallet,
then you start thinking different. People are not afraid now
to say that I'm voting Trump. I've seen more Trump hats,
more Trump t shirts. People are coming out in droves,
(30:38):
and I think that we are going to win by
a landslide, so that it will be no doubt of
what the big that this is a big victory for us,
for US Americans. So just sayday people. They talk to me,
and I'm sure they talked to Kwami too, it's not
the talk you think. Don't believe the polls, don't believe
(30:59):
what they're saying that this is a big jaw for
a ride to a new to history.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Absolutely, it's just the tactics of calling them names like this,
and it's just as low as you can go, as
far as I'm concerned, and that's why so many people
hate politics to begin with. You have a heart of gold.
The sainthood I think in your future, Alice Marie Johnson.
God bless you, Kwame. I'm so glad that you have
rebuilt your life, and congratulations on your new family. I
(31:29):
wish you both got speed and success, and appreciate all
the time you gave me today. We did not expect
to go as long, but I just you know, I
find your stories fascinating and I wanted people to hear
from both of you. Thank you both
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I would argue for this country, two weeks from today
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(00:21):
important tipping point election in our lifetime. One thing that
we now see as a phenomenon is that Democrats are
just freaking out at every poll. We've gone over the
poll numbers earlier in the program today, over demographic breakdowns
and how African Americans, Hispanic Americans are moving towards Donald
(00:45):
Trump in larger numbers than anybody thought possible. And a
lot of people forget Donald Trump's record when it comes
to minorities in America. I've gone over the economic record
more than any other. The people that benefited the most
for the first three years just prior to the pandemic
from Donald trump economic policies by far, and that's measured
(01:09):
by in terms of income increases, the reduction of poverty,
were African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans women in the workplace,
and African American youth unemployment. There was never a president
that committed more money to historically black universities and colleges
(01:31):
than Donald J. Trump. There's never been a president that
took seriously the issue of disparate sentencing on which had
been a source of discussion in this country for decades,
than Donald Trump. And you know, I think the scene
that America probably remembers the most is our friend who
(01:53):
will join us in a minute. Alice Marie Johnson proud
to call her a friend to this day. And she
had a one time offense. He had been in jail
for twenty one years, and she thought she would end
up dying in jail and that was the end of
her life. And rather than becoming bitter and angry, he
ended up counseling young women that would go to prison
(02:15):
and basically help them in their lives and help them
rebuild their lives and get their priorities in order so
that they'd never come back. But not an opportunity she
thought would ever come away, but thanks to Donald Trump,
it did. Here's Kamala Harris addressing over the weekend that
there's a narrative about the kind of support we're receiving
from black men. And here's what she said.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Do you think some of the resistance of some men
black and white is misogynist? And are you proud to
see that most Americans is even even being told have
no problem supporting a woman at all. And I'm one
that lived from Shirley to Kamalo in these campaigns.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
I have an emotional reaction to you raising the point
of Shirley chishm because it is on her broad shoulders
that I stand and so many of us stand, and
we have come a long way to your point.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
That being said, I think that.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
You are absolutely right that there is this narrative about
what kind of support we are receiving from black men
that is just not panning out in reality in terms
of when I go to last night Atlanta and had
I think ten thousand people at a rally, I will
also say this, rev I am very clear, I must
(03:39):
earn earn the vote of everyone, regardless of their race
or gender. And what can be frustrating sometimes is to
have journalists ask me this question as though one should
assume that I would just be able to take for
granted the vote of black men.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I think that's actually.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
An uninformed perspective, because why would black men be any
different than any other demographic voter. They expect that you
earn their vote.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Now, let's go back to her surrogate Barack Obama and
lecturing African American men on the issue of quote the
Brothers not supporting Kamala Harris and suggesting that it was
misogyny and not wanting a woman elected president. Listen, seeing
the same.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Kinds of energy and product in all quarters of our data,
race and communities as you saw I was. Now, I
also want to say that seems to be more pronounced
with brothers.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
I'm feeding you men directly as.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
A part of it makes me may fit. Well, you
just aren't feeling the idea of having a when this president,
and you're coming up with other alternatives and other.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Reasons for him.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
So now you're thinking about sitting down or even supporting
somebody who has a history pedegrating you because you're thin.
That's a sid straight, because that's one paying a man
is putting women down.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
That's not exciting. The Republicans are racist, They're sexist, misogynistic, homophobic, xenophobic,
is lamophobic, transphobic. They want dirty air and water, and
they want to take away grandma and Grandpa's Social Security
and Medicare and throw them over a cliff. I tell you,
(05:48):
I told you that that would be what they're reduced
to by the end of this campaign. And here we
are anyway. My dear friend Alice Murrie Johnson is back
with us. Kwame Kilpatrick is also back with us. He's
the Detroit mayor, by the way, himself now on the
Michigan airways and was freed from prison, both of them
(06:08):
by former President Donald J. Trump. Welcome back. We appreciate
your time. Alice Maria, I love you. How are you.
I'm proud to say that we are friends on air
and off air.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
Thank you, Sean. I'm happy to be on here again.
And you are my dear friend, my dear beloved friend,
and I'm happy to be on here and add my
voice to the voice of sense. First of all, in
case your listeners didn't know this, I'm a one hundred
percent woman and black Americans, and I for one am
(06:45):
sick and tired of all of the gender and racial
pandering that I'm hearing taking place. You know, Sean, they
speak of the first woman of color as president. They
speak of black men having a problem voting for a woman.
That is not the issue, it's the candidate. We don't
(07:07):
want our first to be the worst, and that's what
we'd end up with if we select Kamala Harris. The
worst in history is what she would be if she's elected.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I just want to remind people of your story. You
never thought that you had one time offender and you
got a life prison sentence.
Speaker 6 (07:27):
YEA, no hope years, no hope until Donald Trump, who
actually read my story. I was denied three times under
the Obama administration. And when Donald Trump saw my case,
it wasn't the fact that it was Kim Kardashian as celebrity.
It was the fact that he looked at me as
a human being, and he had mercy and compassion upon him.
(07:51):
And not only did he look at myself, but he
allowed me to bring other petitions of worthy candidates before him.
You got one one of those people on the phone
right now, and that's Kwame kill Patrick. I took his
petition before President Trump, and he did not look He
looked at them. He looked at the man who Kwame
(08:11):
is today. And I love for kwame to speak for
himself too, because we both both of our lives were
saved by President Trump.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Well, Kwame's kill. Patrick. Great to have you back. We
appreciate you being with us. Remind people of your story
of the mayor of Detroit. How long were you sentenced for?
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Again, I was the mayor of Detroit, but before that,
I was the Democratic leader and the state Legislature in Michigan.
You know, I ran for the State House at twenty five,
I was leader by thirty. I was you know, on
the DLC, the DNC, I was on both of those
executive boards. I was like a Clinton Democrat, if you will,
(08:52):
traveled on Air Force one and around the world with
Bill Clinton, over to London, and you know, I was
involved in that. My mother was the United States Congresswoman.
She was far to the left of me, one of
those liberation Democrats, my hero. But it's just a very
interesting background. Then I got to be mayor Iran at
(09:13):
thirty one. At thirty one and was mayor for seven years.
And then my gift, my anointing, as you will, Sean,
it took me to a place that my character integrity
didn't grow at the same place at the same pace,
and so I fell from that position found myself in
a prison sentenced to twenty eight years. I had thirty
(09:35):
four countsl When I hear that thirty four over and
over about the President, it's like a wicked reminder to
me of what the system can do when they have
you in their grips. And so I ended up being
charged and then being convicted and went to that on
that sentence and then seven years. About thirty nine days
(09:55):
short from eight years in prison, I was sitting in
a solitary confinement for about two hundred and some days
and the warden came to the door and said, we're
gonna get you out of here quick and quiet. You
received a commutation from the president. It's true. I hit
the floor, thank God, and got up and walked out
the front door. And since that time, I've been looking
for Donald Trump. I gotta find, I have to find.
(10:16):
I never met Donald Trump. I never had a conversation
with Donald Trump. And finally I did make it to
meet with him on just a crazy circumstance of seeing
one of his good friends in Detroit, and we had
that meeting. I got a chance to thank him, and
this is why I want people to know. Donald Trump
has never asked me to do it or say anything.
(10:38):
As a matter of fact, in that meeting, I learned
so much about demand Donald Trump. We were together all day,
from about ten to eleven in the morning, all the
way to about eleven o'clock at night. We are at
the golf course are early in Marlago that evening, and
what really floored me was how intuitive he is, the
questions that he asked, how he yearned for information knowledge,
(11:00):
and so I was able to break down the Michigan
electory what it is, what happened. He wanted to hear
about how in one county you have a thirty thousand
vote swing, and I explained that to him. But it
was a chance for me to get to know from
myself the man Donald Trump and the president Donald Trump,
(11:21):
not just the person who most of the media try
to make him out to be on television.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Now you're broadcasting, and tell me about your life now
and how you're a different person.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Well in prison, after being mad at everybody shine for
about a year and a half and being floored, I
had at that time I had three children from my
first marriage of twenty four years. My sons were totally
upset with me and upset with life, and they dropped
out of school and all kinds of stuff happened for
a time, and I went to the chapel one day
(11:54):
and met this guy from Yukon, Oklahoma, Bruce Smith, and
I'm sure he's listening to you. That guy loves you,
and so I've been going to get his name. But
he asked me to have a personal relationship with the
Lord Jesus Christ, and I told him I didn't. And
from that place we started to move together. And after
that I started teaching Bible studies and did all the courses.
Then I started preaching in the chapel. So when I
(12:15):
got out, my wife and I'm my new wife. We
founded a ministry in Georgia. We have now moved our
ministry to Detroit, just outside of Detroit, and that's what
I'm doing. I'm speaking around the country. I'm ministering on
the weekends and doing counseling and different stuff. I'm trying
to be what I needed at thirty years old to
a lot of people in this country and so helping
(12:38):
them understand the importance of integrity and character when you're
in leadership positions, when that that's political, but they at
the law firm, the medical practice, or in business, and
so that's what I do. Now. I have a new
wife and three new kids too, said, I have a
thirteen year old, a two year old, and a one
year old, so I have them from twenty eight to one.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Man, you're staying busy. Quick break right back more with
Alice Marie Johnson Kwame Killpatrick both commuted pardon Donald J. Trump.
Of course, the whole issue of criminal justice reform is
not one that's been discussed and not one that Democrats
that want to talk about because they've done nothing on
the issue and Donald Trump actually did. Quick break right back,
(13:16):
will continue on the other side with Alicebury Johnson and
Kwame Kilpatrick. I would continue now with Alicebury Johnson. Remember
she had a life sentence and Donald Trump set her
free because of criminal justice reform. Kalme Killpatrick was facing
twenty eight years in jail, and just on the eve
of what would have would have been eight years in jail,
(13:36):
Donald Trump commuted his sentence. Aliceburray Johnson, you've stayed in
touch with President Trump, and if he gets re elected,
I know for a fact that he's gonna want to
go to you and have you do what you started
to do towards the end of his term, which is
(13:57):
to find people in jail there that deserve pardons, like
people like yourself and Kwame, that have changed their lives around,
and give him a second chance. And that's a big
part of his agenda. Never gets talked about.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
But it's true, John, what President Trump has done. He
is not a person that just has ideas. All I've
heard is ideals and dreams. He has solid policies that
he's standing on. I'm not supporting. I'm not endorsing him
because he set me free. I'm endorsing him because he
(14:35):
is the best leader for this nation. We've already had
one thousand, three hundred and seventy days of a puppet
administration of a puppet.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Because I'm not interrupting you, because I don't want to
hear you speak, I'm going to pick up this point
on the other side, I do have the constraints of time.
Stay right there, we'll come back. We'll continue final moments
with Alice, Marie Johnson, Kwame Kilpatrick, and then we'll hit
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criminal justice reform and two people that benefited from Donald
Trump being president or Aliceburray Johnson life sentence for one offense.
(19:11):
It was a drug offense and amazingly she never thought
she'd get out of prison, and now Donald Trump has well.
When he was president, tapped her to take on the
role of finding people that have changed their lives around
dramatically in prison that might deserve a second chance. Also
with US former Detroit mayor Juame Kilpatrick, they had been
(19:36):
sentenced to twenty eight years in jail, was on the
verge of meeting his eighth anniversary and found out Donald
Trump commuted his sentence. Aliceburry Johnson, So let's go back
to maybe what role you might take on if Donald
Trump is able to pull this election off, and I
hope he is and he wins this election, he will
(20:00):
well from your lips, from your lips to God's ears,
let's hope. But you've stayed in touch with President Trump,
and you have had discussions with him, and I've had
discussions with him about you and about what role you
might play in finding those people maybe that were sentenced unfairly,
maybe that suffered injustices at the hands of I don't know,
(20:25):
prosecutors that were overly aggressive and unfair, or maybe they
just changed their heart and their lives around, and you
would help him in that regard. Tell us what maybe
you might be doing in the future.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
Well, I would be very honored, Sean, to have President
Trump find these deserving individuals.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Again.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
I had the honor of sitting before him in the
Oval office bringing cases. In fact, he asked me to.
He said, Alice, I know there's other people who deserve
their freedom like you do. He said, how many do you.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
Think it is?
Speaker 6 (20:58):
I made this big gesture that was too big to
even name, and he gave me the opportunity to talk
to him about these people, to bring their cases to him.
I sent over one hundred clemency petitions into the White
House and almost we were able to help well, actually
I was able to help almost fifty people get a
second chance in life. And I want to continue that work.
(21:22):
I know he is a fair man. He is one
who listens. He's one who's concerned not only about the
individual but for the safety of communities. That's a big consideration.
He's suggests not opening the prison doors and saying go home.
He's carefully considering the individuals who are brought before him.
(21:42):
So it will be a great honor to work in
that capacity again to help President Trump. So I'm looking
forward to his second term in office.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
And what about you, Kawami, have you ever thought about
maybe joining forces with Alice Marie Johnson and and being
a part of that work. I'm sure in the course
of your time you spent a lot of time in
prison that you probably ran into people that you thought, hey,
they they were impressive in terms of their ability to
change their life around, or were there unfairly Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
You know where there are two women, the TC of
Kirpatrick and Alice Johnathon. I do whatever they tell me, Sean,
So it's just one of those people. But the other
part of that is that sentiment is not only within
prison walls. I'm born and raised in Detroit, right in
the neighborhood, and I've been doing everything I can in
Detroit and throughout Michigan. I've been speaking at a lot
(22:36):
of different events, and whenever I'm called, I go because
I want people to not be misguided by what I
used to do on the Democratic side. I ran the
Camp statewide campaign for the Democrats from the nineties. I'm
listening to the warmed over nineteen ninety eight stuff being
spoken now by the VP. It's all DLC, DNC stuff, clintoneduff,
(23:00):
you know, middle class tax cuts, small business loans. I mean,
this stuff has been talked about forever, and they've been
hearing it forever and not receiving any benefit from any
of it. And so I've been wanting people to understand
what this is about and what to the credit of
President Trump, he just says it like it is and
people take them or leave them. But black men in particular, well,
(23:23):
I'm gonna just go up beyond that. Detroiters all working people,
people that work in clans, and entrepreneurs, street entrepreneurship in
terms of barbershops, beauty shops, real estate development, construction. People
like to hear straight talking. He's been doing that, and
so when I show up, my job has become a
lot easier to convince people that they need to make
(23:45):
the extra just one more little energy step to vote
for him, because a lot of people are already talking
about sending it out, and I'm trying to move people
to the polls because I think it's very important, not
just for Detroit and not just for Michigan, but for America.
You know, I did a speech and you said that
I was on the airwaves. I'm on airways and in
Georgia and Louisiana and Michigan. And what I said in
(24:09):
that speech is I need Trump in the room. I
want him in the room when Vadimin Putin shows up.
I want him in the room, when Shay from China
shows up. I want him in the room when North
Korea shows up to the meeting. And I can't imagine
having the vice president being our leader, our spokesperson, our
person at the table with all the issues on the
(24:31):
table in the room for us, and so I ask
men especially and all women to think about that. You know,
this is not about man.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Let me ask both of you, then, why do you
think that there has been a shift at least in
the polling of minorities in our country? Why is it
this mantra every two years four years election cycle? And
now it's it's gone so off the rails. Kwame you
know Trump is he got compared to let's Mussolini and
(25:01):
Hitler and Stalin all in one in one comment. Then
of course he's going to come after African American men
and women, which he's not going to do. He's going
to use the military against citizens and take people off
the air, he's not going to do. But the fear
mongering happens. But it's never been this bad. And it
(25:23):
also tells me that they've run out of arguments. And
that's their whole closing argument is Donald Trump is bad, evil, horrible,
Nazi and fascist and the racist.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
You know, as Hollywood has gone, you know, the scary
movies from the nineteen sixties, like Psycho, they just weren't
as scary as Freddy Krueger and Jason and the ones.
Now they weren't as scary as those. Every four years
you got to scare people a little bit more than
you did before. And what we're seeing now is it's
(25:53):
just not working. It's really not working. It works if
you're targeting the sick demology of some people, but it's
not working. And that's why you're seeing people, you know,
having their own thoughts in their own mind about this
whole political process. And and I think it started when
we were there. You talked about cities. You know, the
Democrats have have all. I was a Democrat engaged in
(26:16):
a Democrat. The Democratic Party, Democratic president has never worked.
When I engaged George Bush, we got a new riverfront
done that we've been talking about doing for thirty years.
We got a new downtown done.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
We we well, let me ask you this, did you
it was Barack Obama president when you went to jail
or no, he was president.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
He sent the prosecutor in there to prosecute me. He
sent he uh okayed all of the reco allegations, and
every lawyer from California to New York, New Jersey, from
Texas all the way to Michigan. It looked at my
case said this is ridiculous. And when it got to
Alice Johnson and Jerry Kushner and the President of the
United States, they said, this is ridiculous. And you know,
(26:55):
the over sentence and the over uh, you know, over
everything just malicious and prosecution, which I see the President
going through himself now, And they said this is ridiculous,
and he gave me my freedom. So I think people
are tired of rhetoric. I think they're tired of people
trying to scare them. They want to hear the straight story.
When Donald Trump comes to town and he talks about
(27:16):
entrepreneur opportunity, he's not trying to be black. What he's
trying to do is be Donald Trump talking to you
about what I can do in my position to be
able to help you get more access to business, more
access to capital, and improve your tax structure so you
make some money. That's what black folk want to hear.
It's just like this Black America versus now. We want
to hear the same thing that you're telling them. To
know that you're saying in the suburban communities, what you're
(27:38):
saying the business people all over the country. And I
think Donald Trump understands that he's not changing the way
he talks. He's not trying to be cool. He's being
Donald Trump. And that's what's resonating around the country. Now,
when you get Trump, you're going to get sometimes when
he says something, Oh, that hurt a little bit, But
I think that that heals in comparison to all of
(28:00):
the other things that he says about doing the job
that he has to do as leader of the free world,
as president of the United States.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
And you've endorsed him, have you got any any negative
feedback on that? And Alsbury? Have you got any negative feedback? Kwame,
You'll ask you first.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
Oh, yeah, yeah, you know. I was you know, I
was a big time Democrat. I was on the DNC.
So when I endorsed him, I got negative feedback from everybody,
you know, all of those tenants.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
And forget about the people and the party, what about
everyday people.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
You know.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
I saw President Trump with LJ in the barbershop, and
I'm like, I love the conversation, you know, because I
mean kind of barbershops are known for a lot of talking.
I know what was like that when I grew up?
Speaker 5 (28:43):
Great question, because ninety six percent of the people in
the city of Detroit on paper are Democrats. But when
I'm in the barbershop every week in the city of Detroit,
what I hear is, man, you gotta do what you
gotta do. Hey, I'm leaning towards Trump too. I'm not
mad at Donald Trump. So we're able to have a
different kind of conversation away from the political ads and
the political conversations where you just talk about real people
(29:05):
to say it was better when he was president. I
want a president that actually is going to leave. I'm
kind of nervous about what China and Russia and North
Korea are doing. I'll mean they at the tall youle
so we hear real issues in the barbershop. You're right
about that shop.
Speaker 6 (29:19):
Well, i'm the barbershop, but I travel a lot.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
By the way, you're in the beauty shop where you belong.
You make us look like you know, you know. Is
there no barbershop or beauty shops that can help call
me or me no question?
Speaker 6 (29:35):
Well I can tell you this. I have people come
up to me in the supermarket, in the airport, everywhere
because my face is pretty recognizable down here, and they
tell me that they are voting for Trump this time
and even even just recently. I have to tell you this,
what antidote. This guy was just pushing at the airport,
(29:56):
this big garbage band, just collecting the trash, and he
eased up beside me and he said, you're gonna help it.
He said, you're gonna help it because that's my guy.
He said, I didn't vote for him in twenty twenty,
and look at what I'm doing right now. He started
telling me about the job he lost and what he
had to do now because of his company had to
(30:16):
lay off so many people. So every day, when it
starts hitting your pocketbooks, when it starts hitting your wallet,
then you start thinking different. People are not afraid now
to say that I'm voting Trump. I've seen more Trump hats,
more Trump t shirts. People are coming out in droves,
(30:38):
and I think that we are going to win by
a landslide, so that it will be no doubt of
what the big that this is a big victory for us,
for US Americans. So just sayday people. They talk to me,
and I'm sure they talked to Kwami too, it's not
the talk you think. Don't believe the polls, don't believe
(30:59):
what they're saying that this is a big jaw for
a ride to a new to history.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Absolutely, it's just the tactics of calling them names like this,
and it's just as low as you can go, as
far as I'm concerned, and that's why so many people
hate politics to begin with. You have a heart of gold.
The sainthood I think in your future, Alice Marie Johnson.
God bless you, Kwame. I'm so glad that you have
rebuilt your life, and congratulations on your new family. I
(31:29):
wish you both got speed and success, and appreciate all
the time you gave me today. We did not expect
to go as long, but I just you know, I
find your stories fascinating and I wanted people to hear
from both of you. Thank you both
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