November 17, 2021 • 30 mins
Senator Marsha Blackburn, of Tennessee, is here to talk about her questioning of Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas for his failure to secure the southern border and provide answers to Tennesseans.
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Speaker 1 (00:21):
All right, our two Sean Hannity Show. If it's simple man,
that means it's all things. Bill O'Reilly dot com and
he joins us. Now, mister O'Reilly, how are you, sir?
I'm is he just like you? I'm not okay in
a country I know you're down in. I'm down in
the Florida for the Patriot Awards. I'm honored to be
here and the whole team is here and we're all
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ready to have a good time and honor people that
deserve to be honored. I'm getting an award, right, No,
you're not. I'm not. No, why would you think you're
getting an award? Who's I'm a patriot? Okay? All right,
we're talking about patriots that go above and beyond a
line of Dude, why does everything I have to go
back to you? That's not that makes your life complicated?
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All right? Let me go to the Rittenhouse thing, and
I want to go specifically at this idiot prosecutor in
this case. I don't know how much of this that
you watch. I don't know if you saw the moment
where Binger literally picks up an AR fifteen. He has
his finger on the trigger and he aims the rifle
in the courtroom at people in the courtroom. Then he
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goes even further, using an image from Patrick Swayze's nineteen
eighty nine film Roadhouse. Then you're getting lectures, Oh, everybody
needs to take a beating at some time, and Kyle
Rittenhouse was too cowardly to use his fists. Now I'm
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listening to this that I'm thinking, you're really desperate, if
that's what you're saying. But with that said, we're in
day two, and of course we are awaiting a verdict,
and I do not believe the prosecution made their case.
I think by the law of Wisconsin, Kyle Rittenhouse was
within his rights to defend himself. As evidence by him
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running away, by him having a loaded weapon pointed at him,
and somebody grabbing the barrel of a gun. You have
videotape evidence, you have eyewitness testimony, your thoughts. Look, this
is not a difficult case to find out if this
man intentionally committed murder Rittenhouse. He clearly did not, and
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there isn't anybody who's honest that would say he did.
But when you have these political cases, and you know
that's what this is, the media comes on in They
want Kyle Rittenhouse to be convicted, they want his life
to be ruined. They don't care about events leading up
to what happened. They don't care that Rittenhouse himself might
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have been killed by the guy who pointed a gun
in his face. They don't care. It's all about progressive
race politics, and that's the country in which we live.
I'll never get credit, but I was in Atlanta when
Richard Jewell, the Atlanta Journal Constitution comes out with an
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addition that says fits the profile of the lone bomber
because he lives with his mother. And I was the
only person that said, because he lives with his mother
doesn't mean a thing. It doesn't mean he's a terrorist.
It turned out I was right. It also turned out
Richard Jewell was listening to me say those words, and
I got the first interview with Richard Jewel at the time. Now,
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if you go to Duke Lacrosse, if you go to Ferguson, Missouri,
if you go to Treyvon and George Zimmerman, if you
go to UVA, if you go to Freddie Graham Baltimore,
if you go to the Cambridge Police Bill, and then
you can add on top of that the Russia collusion hoax.
Every single time the media does not allow due process.
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I'll add Justice Kavanaugh and Justice Claire Thomas to the list.
They don't allow the presumption of innocence. They create an
expectation of a result that's never going to come when
the actual evidence comes out, and I end up being
right because I actually don't make a determination until I
meet with the families, for example in the Ducal cross case,
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or have sources on the ground in Ferguson telling me
we have more eyewitnesses that will corroborate the story of
Darren Wilson. They don't do their job. Bill, It's it's
not an accident that I always end up being right
and you always end up being right. We do our homework.
The tragedy of all this in you know, just putting
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the loss of life aside. Of course, that's tragic, is
that many Americans still believe in the justice system, and
the justice system has collapsed, and particularly in big cities
across the country where you can hurt people. I mean
a guy in New York City, you know the story.
A guy stabs one cop, hits another cop in the
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head with a safe and the judge lets him out
with nobil. I mean, think back ten years ago, that
could never have happened. Never, And I didn't see outside
of the New York Post a lot of outrage from
the local media in New York because they're scared. They
don't want to be pillard on the tweeting, and they
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don't want to be singled out, and they want to
play it safe. But when you have a criminal justice
system that's basically collapsed in a nation of three hundred
and thirty five million people, that's dangerous for all of us.
What do you make How much pressure do you believe
this jury is feeling because there are people outside the courtroom,
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outside the court house, I should say, where the deliberations
are ongoing. If Kenosha don't get it, shut it down.
They know what happened in the past, they know the
unrest that happened in their city. How much pressure do
you think this jury feels? And more importantly, do you
believe this can influence the jury in their decision making? Well,
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the last line of defense is the jury, and we
saw that collapse in the O. J. Simpson case. So
if a guilty plea comes back, I'm not going to
be one hundred percent shock because people are subject to
pressure from the people they live here, and there is
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a hardcore cadre run by Black Lives Matter in Kenosha
that wants Kyle Riten now is to be convicted. So
that's a reality now. Whether or not the jury will
stand up to that and just say no, the evidence
is beyond any reasonable doubt, He's not guilty. I just
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don't know because of the Simpson case. And I'm that,
But don't you think the Simpson case was a little
unique inasmuch as I would argue that was a case
of jury nullification. No, it was a race play, but
it would but that would be that would that by
definition is jury nullification. But when I was out there
reporting on it, by the way, word of the day,
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jury nullification. I'm just teasing bell impression. You know, you're
very impressive linguistic. I'm just there. I'm just learning from
the best Bell, thank you. When I was there reporting
on Simpson, I had the opportunity to ask the jurors
after they acquitted Simpson, what was the one piece of
hard evidence that you used to make your decision. They
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couldn't do it, And I don't think to this day
any of the jurors on the Simpson trial have articulated
why they let Simpson go when the evidence was overwhelming.
I agree the evidence was overwhelming, but there was one
huge mistake, and I did not think that the prosecution
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did a particularly good job in that case, and I
do believe the attorneys for O. J. Simpson did a
better job. And the moment when he put on the
glove and if it don't don't fit, you must acquit
that moment was very profound and that was a mistake.
Now it turns out, apparently according to analysis afterwards, that
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you know, gloves have a tendency to shrink if they're
wet or whatever. But that moment was pretty profound, and
I think gave an opening for the not guilty plead.
Now do I think he was guilty as hell? Yeah.
I think he's still out there on the golf course
looking for the killers right now. So what we have
in America is a jury system driven primarily by emotion,
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and there's a lot of emotion in Kenosha, and those
people there, they're afraid, they are afraid. I don't believe
they're gonna convict written. How so I think in the
end they'll acquit him, but I know they're afraid. And
let's look at the three cases. Immediately, when the lead
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star witness for the prosecution admits he pointed a loaded
gun at Kyle Rittenhouse before Kyle Rittenhouse shot him, Okay,
we can put that charge aside. Then you've got an example.
And I was kind of shocked that the judge allowed
this provocation lifeline to be thrown out to the prosecution
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in the last moments of this case. Here that in
other words, you lose the right to self defense if
you provoked the incident in the first place. Now you
regain the right to self defense if, in fact, you
try to remove yourself from the situation. When we see
the video and then couple that with the eyewitness testimony
of Kyle Rittenhouse running away from a group of people
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what looked like a mob to me, and then they
actually get him on the ground, and you have that
still store shot of this guy with his foot ready
to pound it right into his face into the pavement,
which could cause seriously serious bodily harm or death. That
defines that that that is by definition a right to
self defense moment. And in the third case, you got
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this guy holding onto the barrel of Kyle Rittenhouse's gun.
That too would represent a not guilty verdict, because again
it's self defense, as the laws written in Wisconsin. Well,
let's hope that the jury um puts emotion aside and
summons the courage to do what everybody has seen. I
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think if you took a pull tomorrow, among all Americans
who are following this case, eight would say not guilty.
I think you're probably right. I think that's an accurate number. Now,
the question is what happened if a not guilty verdict
across the board comes in. You see people gathering outside
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the courtroom. You see agitators ready to agitate, people with
political agendas. We had five hundred and thirty what four
or five riots in the summer of twenty twenty. Interesting,
we don't have a congressional committee for that. We don't
get lectures on the constitution and the rule of law
from Liz Cheney. There's not a single commission or committee investigating.
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We lost dozens of Americans, thousands of cops who are injured. Bill,
how come we only how come Washington? It only cares
about the one riot which we condemned and not all
the riots that took place in the summer of twenty twenty.
They feared the Washington Post, in the New York Times,
and the corporate network news for us, they fear those people.
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Now we're in trouble in this country unity because you
have a collapsing justice system where in cities like New
York and Chicago, in LA and San Francisco, people can
hurt you and nothing will happen to them. Nope, you
have then anarchy and there is no move that I
can see of from the Justice Department. And you ask
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what will happen? The National Guard is there, and that
of course is big. And I don't think the National
Guard are going to step aside to allow law's behavior.
I think they'll clamp it down hard. All right, quick break,
we'll come back. We'll continue more with Bill O'Reilly All
things o'reiley Bill O'Reilly dot com from Florida. It's the
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Sean Hannity Show. All right, we continue with Bill O'Reilly
all things o'reiley at Bill O'Reilly dot com. What do
you think of the It's been what since the last
time somebody was actually brought into court over a contempt
of Congress charge was nineteen eighty three. People like Henry Kissinger,
who we both know, Janet Reno, Harriet Myers, Josh Poulton,
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Eric Holder, Lois Lerner, Brian Pagliano, Bill Barr, Chad Wolf,
they were all also held in contempt of Congress. It
doesn't matter what your feelings about Steve Bannon, aar. Why
do we have a selective justice system, a dual justice
system That doesn't sound like equal justice and equal application
of our laws to me? It's not with mister Bannon.
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He goaded the congressional committee. All he had to do
was walk in and take the fifth. He didn't want
to do that. He wanted to make a display of defiance. Now,
the only guy that you referred to is G. Gordon Liddy,
the Watergate burglar, who did the same thing. He basically said,
I'm not answering any questions, I'm not coming before your
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stupid committee, and I don't care what you do to me,
and he served time. Other than that, in our lifetime,
there hasn't been anybody charged with a federal crime of
contempt of Congress and actually arrested and arraigned. So is
it political? Sure? Shouldn't even be January sixth, investigation in
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the House. Why are we bothering you want an investigation?
Appoint a special counsel from the Justice Department, go on
in and do it that way. Why are you doing
a partisan investigation in the House? What built? It's a
they have a predetermined now come you know it. I
know it. Everybody listening to us now knows it. That's
why they kicked off Jim Jordan and Jim Banks. By
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the way, I want to give a quick plug. I
think I'm gonna make it to your Tampa show. You're
doing four shows around the country with President Trump. I'm
trying to work out my schedule and because the show
is an Orlando, so I will give you directed. You know,
you're such a jackass. I'm trying to be nice. And
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by the way, and I know you've sold over thirty
some one thousand tickets, but there are some tickets available.
They're very big venues. And it's just going to be
you and Trump, and it's going to be about the
history of as presidency and the impact of it. And uh,
we'll see what happens. And I hope, all right, we'll
produce us in Orlando on why why I get paid
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to do things like that. Bill, I don't do those things,
but we have money. We've told with thirty thousand tickets.
That's true. You do backstage and I freeze. Just bring
the Tito's vodka anyway, Bill O'Reilly all things O'Reilly. If
you're interested in seeing the president President Trump and Bill,
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just go to Bill O'Reilly dot com. Thank you, sir,
ladies and gentlemen, we like to take a second to
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hear the immortal Bob Grant's thoughts about the world today. Hey,
ladies and gentlemen, it's sick and it's getting sicker. Now
back to the Sean Hannity show Man, It's sick and
it's getting sicker. Eight hundred nine one, Sean, you want
to be a part of the program? Went down in Florida.
It seems like I think I had originally been planned.
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I don't want to say who, but I was very
honored to be asked to give one of the Patriot
Awards to somebody that I really admire. I'll tell you
tomorrow who it was. I don't know if they know,
if they're getting it. That's the problem. So I don't
want to break, can't they watch. We can tell people
to want Yeah they can. But you know, I will
be live doing Hannity because of what's going on in Wisconsin,
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so I'll probably miss most of it. And my son
and his friends are coming down here, which will be
pretty cool. Why are you smiling? I listen. I love
when your families around. I think it's a wonderful thing.
You know, I rarely talk about them, but it's fun.
It's fun to see you guys together. And he's a
growing up now. I've known him since he was about it.
Thank God. The Maury grows up, the better it gets
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from my life. Yes, he's a hard working capitalist. He's
doing great. I'm proud of him. But I say that
with my fingers crossed. I think you got everything crossed.
Actually every every No, Look, he's a great kid. I'm
very blessed. But um, anyway, so he's I don't He's
gonna have to decide to watch Dad, which he can
do every night anyway, or watch the awards. I think
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he'll just the awards. Well, I think he's gonna be
in there, so I'll probably watch the awards. Yeah, I think.
So it's gonna be super fun. Are you going by
the way, I don't know. Am I going? I don't know.
You're welcomed up. I'm wearing my uniform jeans, a blue
shirt and a jacket. Yeah, my uniform. No, hell no,
Why I'm not wearing a tie anytime I'm mad at
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the studio? I don't wear a tie? Is that right?
I don't I wear a tie literally for sixty one
minutes on any given day. Do you know the maximum?
Do you know how to tie a tie? I tie
my own tie every night. I do. Do you make
a windsor or a regular? A regular? Okay? I'm just asking.
Oh my god, I don't know all the answers. All right, anyway,
we're on jury verdict Watch eight or nine four one.
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Shaun as a number. You want to be a part
of the program. Brad is in South Carolina, Brad High.
How are you glad you called? Sir? Thank you, sirs.
Mine comment is, I want to hope the boy comes
out in sad and that's what he is. He's a kid.
I got a couple of questions. You know who's really
at fault to this is the law enforcement in that town.
I'm a twenty two year law enforcement veteran, and US
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Marine Corps veteran. And I'm telling you that stuff would
have never went down into county where our sheriff is now,
Spartmer County. We wouldn't have put up with that Sparkmer County, wouldn't.
You're talking about the initial rioting that took place in Kenosha, correct, Yeah.
I see police vehicles there and people pushing trash kids
down the street. That would have never flew. And two,
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my other point is I can't believe a seventeen year
old kid would even go down there, whether he was asked,
how did anything felt like he could have made a
difference and taken a take a don't I don't disagree
with you on this point. Now maybe yet all the
altruistic motives in the world, but when you know Adam
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Schiff is about to hit the fan, I don't think
you should be there or put yourself in a position
knowing what we had known in the summer of twenty twenty,
in the five and thirty some odd riots that Liz
Cheney and the rest of the Committee of January six
don't seem to care about, when we lost dozens of
people and thousands of cops injured, bricks, rocks, bottles, molotov
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cocktails and worse. So well, first, thank you for serving
your country. Simplify, thanks for your service in law enforcement.
But with that said, we don't. We're now at a
point where most cops in most cities don't feel that
they have the backing to do their job. How do
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I know because I have a lot of friends that
a policemen and policewomen, and my family is in law enforcement,
and they feel that it's open season on them. You
have seen all the videos you have seen cops literally
confronted by anarchists, you know, bust burning their cars, assaulting cops,
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throwing fluids all over them, buckets of water even and
getting away with all of it. You know, with all
the talk about all the people involved in January sixth, Okay,
I don't support rioting. If you don't obey the law,
you should there should be a punishment. But the punishment
should also be applied to the people that were rioting
and looting and involved in arson and taking over city
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blocks and burning down police precincts. We should have equal
application of the law in those cases. And nobody wants
to talk about that. The only reason we talk about
one riot and not all the riots. Is because the
one riot they want to talk about they feel they
can bludgeon Donald Trump one more time. That's what Liz
Cheney's motivation is. Otherwise Liz would be leading the effort
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to form a committee to look into the five hundred
and thirty five riots. So to me, you know, this
is a predetermined outcome sham committee, and it's not worth
the paper it's going to end up being printed on.
They already wrote it right. The second point is did
his parents know that he was going down there? I
think so. I interviewed his mom. She was a lovely lady,
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and her answer was that this is who this kid is,
that he genuinely has a calling, a desire to help people.
I don't doubt that at all. Apparently he did help
some people in each instance, though, you know, for whatever
reason he's there, Whether it was a good decision or
a bad decision, that's irrelevant to the case. What's relevant
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is within the law of Wisconsin, did he fear for
his life? Did he fear that he was facing serious,
significant bodily harm. I would argue a pointed, loaded gun
at your head would fit that definition. I would argue
that when you're being chased by a mob and you're
on the ground and you're about to have your face
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kicked into the pavement, you're at risk of serious bodily
harm or even death. I would argue, if somebody grabs
the barrel of your gun and you have to defend yourself,
knowing that if he gets the gun, they likely would
turn it on you, it fits the definition of the
law based in Wisconsin. So on the law, it doesn't
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matter why he was there. It doesn't matter whether it
was a good decision or a bad decision. After midnight,
after two am, there's not a lot of good that's
going to be happening wherever you happen to be, and
it's better off if you're home in your bed, safe
and sound. But you know, young kids, they don't They
just don't think the same way as mature adults. Unfortunately,
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now this kid is his whole life is hanging in
the hands of this jury, and we'll see what happens.
Juries are notoriously difficult to predict what they're gonna do.
There's enormous political pressure in Kenosha outside of that courthouse
that I'm sure the jury is keenly aware of but
if they follow the law, he should be found not
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guilty on every charge in my view. Appreciate the call,
Thanks for being with us. Eight hundred that was bred
in South Carolina, Iowa. We have Tony's standing by Tony. Hi.
How are you glad you called? Sir? Great Hannity, Thanks
for taking the call. And I'm following us both too
little nervous, you know, if they if they con victim,
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I just think it's gonna embolden more and more rioters.
You know, those are the ones that, sure there was
a certain percentage that we're out there to just even
though they were breaking a curfew, they were out there
to protest. But it's those well, frankly, the ones, the
kind of people that got shot are the ones who
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are emboldened by you know, this this protection to where, oh,
if there's not going to be anybody out there with
guns because of this verdict, everyone, you know, the law
followers are going to be too scared to come out
with now. I think people have been emboldened. No, very
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few people have ever been held accountable for the five
hundred and thirty five riots that killed dozens of Americans
injured thousands of cops and caused billions and billions of
dollars in financial losses for many businesses. Either they were
robbed and there was looting, or they were burned to
the ground. Their businesses were burned to the ground, and
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nobody seems to care to hold those people accountable, even
though in many of those instances we have videotaped evidence. Look,
this has been a pet peeve of mine for a
long time. Ferguson Missouri. We had people on video committing crimes.
Why we didn't track each and every one of them
down is a mistake because you are emboldening people. You're
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telling people you can get away with it, You're not
gonna face consequences. The same thing when it happened in Baltimore, Maryland.
That was the pretty gray case. And the couple in
Missouri that stood their ground on their porch while MS
was being stormed, well, well, and apparently they went down.
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They're in Kenosha now too. I don't know why they're there,
but they apparently want to. They feel so strongly about
the case that they feel compelled to go there. Anyway,
good call, I appreciate it. Eight hundred nine one. Shawn
is on a number you want to be a part
of the program. Sharon is in Houston, Texas on KTRH.
What's up, Sharon, How are you glad you called? Hi? Sean,
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Thank you, thank you. I wanted to say that I
can remember the day when when Rittenhouse would have been
considered a patriot and a hero in the community because
he was there to help a community effort of a
team of people that were cleaning up from previous riots
and burnings and lootings. They were they were just doing
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a community project. And we cannot let this criminal element
that has developed take over our culture and society like this.
We have to we can't let them make us afraid
so that we stay inside our houses and we don't
come out, and we don't defend ourselves. And I believe
that he's standing for all law abouting citizens were the
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right to defend ourselves, and I'm praying for him. Look,
do I think this kid probably went there, as stated
for altruistic reasons? Yeah? I kind of got that feeling
that he's sincere. Do I think it was a wise decision?
I don't, because knowing what we know, having seen riot,
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having covered one riot after another, riot after another riot.
You just don't need to be there in those moments.
I have, for example, those a couple of friends of
mine that were in Washington around January fifth and six,
and I advised them all to stay away from any trouble,
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and they all did. They didn't listen right away, but
they all eventually listened. Um, because I know what can happen.
I follow these stories, I report on these stories. I
know with a natural outcome of these incidents, I know
what this is headed. It's not a lot of good
coming out of it. Anyway, I appreciate the call. All right,
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quick break, We'll come back eight hundred nine one, Sean,
if you want to be a part of the program.
MORERIR calls coming up straight ahead as we continue. We're
in Florida today for the Patriot Awards for Fox News,
but we will be live nine Eastern watching the events unfolding.
Kenosha Stephen is in South Carolina. Stephen, Hi, how are
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you glad you called? Hey? Sean, thanks for taking McCall
and I just wanted to get off on a tangent
a little bit about to make a point about the
current illegitimate administrations handling of the vaccine mandate for healthcare
workers regarding the China virus was calling only behalf of
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my wife, who has been a state employee for the
healthcare system here for twenty five years. She will be
losing her job in two weeks because she thinks the
vaccine is basically a hipibolation. If you forced me to
show you, I ask you personal question that you don't
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do not have to answer. Did your wife ever get COVID? No? No,
we've we've following all the mask rules and standing no
listen even people to follow the mask rules. These breakthrough
cases are real. A friend of mine's kid that fully
vaccinated got COVID yesterday. It's they're a hotspots all over
New York again. Um, look, I'm not as I've been saying.
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There's nothing I'm gonna say or foul she's gonna say,
or the CDC is gonna say, or the NIH is
gonna say, or you know, the blubbering idiot Biden is
ever gonna say that's gonna convince you. So the she
sounds like she's made up her mind. I pray she
doesn't get this. I strongly urge you to stay in
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contact with her doctor. I don't know if you know
what monoclonal antibodies are, whether you're vaccinated or unvaccinated. If
she ever gets a positive test, you immediately need to
contact your doctor. I have found anecdotally that it has
worked for many people, but that's gonna be up to you.
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But I will say this for people like your wife,
in the worst moments of this pandemic, went into a
basically a work environment that was a COVID Petrie dish
and we're diving on ovid hand grenades every day. They
were the heroes, and now we're firing the heroes, the nurses,
the hospital workers. And to me, that's unconscionable. Would your
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wife accept a test to get tested if that was
made available as a choice for her. I only got
about ten seconds here. I'm just saying, which, that's not
a choice. It's basically just a violation of the chant Amendment.
There's not a choice. You either get baxed or proved
that your vibe. If she had the choice, would she
accept it? Yes, But that's not an obtrept sir. Well,
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it's sad to me, and that's why I've been trying
to get people to back off the mandate and at
least thread the needles so people won't lose their income,
their benefits, and their pensions. Eight hundred nine one saw
on our number you want to be a part of
the program will continue
All right, our two Sean Hannity Show. If it's simple man,
that means it's all things. Bill O'Reilly dot com and
he joins us. Now, mister O'Reilly, how are you, sir?
I'm is he just like you? I'm not okay in
a country I know you're down in. I'm down in
the Florida for the Patriot Awards. I'm honored to be
here and the whole team is here and we're all
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ready to have a good time and honor people that
deserve to be honored. I'm getting an award, right, No,
you're not. I'm not. No, why would you think you're
getting an award? Who's I'm a patriot? Okay? All right,
we're talking about patriots that go above and beyond a
line of Dude, why does everything I have to go
back to you? That's not that makes your life complicated?
(01:05):
All right? Let me go to the Rittenhouse thing, and
I want to go specifically at this idiot prosecutor in
this case. I don't know how much of this that
you watch. I don't know if you saw the moment
where Binger literally picks up an AR fifteen. He has
his finger on the trigger and he aims the rifle
in the courtroom at people in the courtroom. Then he
(01:27):
goes even further, using an image from Patrick Swayze's nineteen
eighty nine film Roadhouse. Then you're getting lectures, Oh, everybody
needs to take a beating at some time, and Kyle
Rittenhouse was too cowardly to use his fists. Now I'm
(01:48):
listening to this that I'm thinking, you're really desperate, if
that's what you're saying. But with that said, we're in
day two, and of course we are awaiting a verdict,
and I do not believe the prosecution made their case.
I think by the law of Wisconsin, Kyle Rittenhouse was
within his rights to defend himself. As evidence by him
(02:10):
running away, by him having a loaded weapon pointed at him,
and somebody grabbing the barrel of a gun. You have
videotape evidence, you have eyewitness testimony, your thoughts. Look, this
is not a difficult case to find out if this
man intentionally committed murder Rittenhouse. He clearly did not, and
(02:31):
there isn't anybody who's honest that would say he did.
But when you have these political cases, and you know
that's what this is, the media comes on in They
want Kyle Rittenhouse to be convicted, they want his life
to be ruined. They don't care about events leading up
to what happened. They don't care that Rittenhouse himself might
(02:52):
have been killed by the guy who pointed a gun
in his face. They don't care. It's all about progressive
race politics, and that's the country in which we live.
I'll never get credit, but I was in Atlanta when
Richard Jewell, the Atlanta Journal Constitution comes out with an
(03:12):
addition that says fits the profile of the lone bomber
because he lives with his mother. And I was the
only person that said, because he lives with his mother
doesn't mean a thing. It doesn't mean he's a terrorist.
It turned out I was right. It also turned out
Richard Jewell was listening to me say those words, and
I got the first interview with Richard Jewel at the time. Now,
(03:34):
if you go to Duke Lacrosse, if you go to Ferguson, Missouri,
if you go to Treyvon and George Zimmerman, if you
go to UVA, if you go to Freddie Graham Baltimore,
if you go to the Cambridge Police Bill, and then
you can add on top of that the Russia collusion hoax.
Every single time the media does not allow due process.
(03:57):
I'll add Justice Kavanaugh and Justice Claire Thomas to the list.
They don't allow the presumption of innocence. They create an
expectation of a result that's never going to come when
the actual evidence comes out, and I end up being
right because I actually don't make a determination until I
meet with the families, for example in the Ducal cross case,
(04:19):
or have sources on the ground in Ferguson telling me
we have more eyewitnesses that will corroborate the story of
Darren Wilson. They don't do their job. Bill, It's it's
not an accident that I always end up being right
and you always end up being right. We do our homework.
The tragedy of all this in you know, just putting
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the loss of life aside. Of course, that's tragic, is
that many Americans still believe in the justice system, and
the justice system has collapsed, and particularly in big cities
across the country where you can hurt people. I mean
a guy in New York City, you know the story.
A guy stabs one cop, hits another cop in the
(05:02):
head with a safe and the judge lets him out
with nobil. I mean, think back ten years ago, that
could never have happened. Never, And I didn't see outside
of the New York Post a lot of outrage from
the local media in New York because they're scared. They
don't want to be pillard on the tweeting, and they
(05:24):
don't want to be singled out, and they want to
play it safe. But when you have a criminal justice
system that's basically collapsed in a nation of three hundred
and thirty five million people, that's dangerous for all of us.
What do you make How much pressure do you believe
this jury is feeling because there are people outside the courtroom,
(05:48):
outside the court house, I should say, where the deliberations
are ongoing. If Kenosha don't get it, shut it down.
They know what happened in the past, they know the
unrest that happened in their city. How much pressure do
you think this jury feels? And more importantly, do you
believe this can influence the jury in their decision making? Well,
(06:12):
the last line of defense is the jury, and we
saw that collapse in the O. J. Simpson case. So
if a guilty plea comes back, I'm not going to
be one hundred percent shock because people are subject to
pressure from the people they live here, and there is
(06:33):
a hardcore cadre run by Black Lives Matter in Kenosha
that wants Kyle Riten now is to be convicted. So
that's a reality now. Whether or not the jury will
stand up to that and just say no, the evidence
is beyond any reasonable doubt, He's not guilty. I just
(06:56):
don't know because of the Simpson case. And I'm that,
But don't you think the Simpson case was a little
unique inasmuch as I would argue that was a case
of jury nullification. No, it was a race play, but
it would but that would be that would that by
definition is jury nullification. But when I was out there
reporting on it, by the way, word of the day,
(07:18):
jury nullification. I'm just teasing bell impression. You know, you're
very impressive linguistic. I'm just there. I'm just learning from
the best Bell, thank you. When I was there reporting
on Simpson, I had the opportunity to ask the jurors
after they acquitted Simpson, what was the one piece of
hard evidence that you used to make your decision. They
(07:42):
couldn't do it, And I don't think to this day
any of the jurors on the Simpson trial have articulated
why they let Simpson go when the evidence was overwhelming.
I agree the evidence was overwhelming, but there was one
huge mistake, and I did not think that the prosecution
(08:03):
did a particularly good job in that case, and I
do believe the attorneys for O. J. Simpson did a
better job. And the moment when he put on the
glove and if it don't don't fit, you must acquit
that moment was very profound and that was a mistake.
Now it turns out, apparently according to analysis afterwards, that
(08:25):
you know, gloves have a tendency to shrink if they're
wet or whatever. But that moment was pretty profound, and
I think gave an opening for the not guilty plead.
Now do I think he was guilty as hell? Yeah.
I think he's still out there on the golf course
looking for the killers right now. So what we have
in America is a jury system driven primarily by emotion,
(08:52):
and there's a lot of emotion in Kenosha, and those
people there, they're afraid, they are afraid. I don't believe
they're gonna convict written. How so I think in the
end they'll acquit him, but I know they're afraid. And
let's look at the three cases. Immediately, when the lead
(09:13):
star witness for the prosecution admits he pointed a loaded
gun at Kyle Rittenhouse before Kyle Rittenhouse shot him, Okay,
we can put that charge aside. Then you've got an example.
And I was kind of shocked that the judge allowed
this provocation lifeline to be thrown out to the prosecution
(09:36):
in the last moments of this case. Here that in
other words, you lose the right to self defense if
you provoked the incident in the first place. Now you
regain the right to self defense if, in fact, you
try to remove yourself from the situation. When we see
the video and then couple that with the eyewitness testimony
of Kyle Rittenhouse running away from a group of people
(09:58):
what looked like a mob to me, and then they
actually get him on the ground, and you have that
still store shot of this guy with his foot ready
to pound it right into his face into the pavement,
which could cause seriously serious bodily harm or death. That
defines that that that is by definition a right to
self defense moment. And in the third case, you got
(10:20):
this guy holding onto the barrel of Kyle Rittenhouse's gun.
That too would represent a not guilty verdict, because again
it's self defense, as the laws written in Wisconsin. Well,
let's hope that the jury um puts emotion aside and
summons the courage to do what everybody has seen. I
(10:44):
think if you took a pull tomorrow, among all Americans
who are following this case, eight would say not guilty.
I think you're probably right. I think that's an accurate number. Now,
the question is what happened if a not guilty verdict
across the board comes in. You see people gathering outside
(11:05):
the courtroom. You see agitators ready to agitate, people with
political agendas. We had five hundred and thirty what four
or five riots in the summer of twenty twenty. Interesting,
we don't have a congressional committee for that. We don't
get lectures on the constitution and the rule of law
from Liz Cheney. There's not a single commission or committee investigating.
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We lost dozens of Americans, thousands of cops who are injured. Bill,
how come we only how come Washington? It only cares
about the one riot which we condemned and not all
the riots that took place in the summer of twenty twenty.
They feared the Washington Post, in the New York Times,
and the corporate network news for us, they fear those people.
(11:50):
Now we're in trouble in this country unity because you
have a collapsing justice system where in cities like New
York and Chicago, in LA and San Francisco, people can
hurt you and nothing will happen to them. Nope, you
have then anarchy and there is no move that I
can see of from the Justice Department. And you ask
(12:11):
what will happen? The National Guard is there, and that
of course is big. And I don't think the National
Guard are going to step aside to allow law's behavior.
I think they'll clamp it down hard. All right, quick break,
we'll come back. We'll continue more with Bill O'Reilly All
things o'reiley Bill O'Reilly dot com from Florida. It's the
(12:32):
Sean Hannity Show. All right, we continue with Bill O'Reilly
all things o'reiley at Bill O'Reilly dot com. What do
you think of the It's been what since the last
time somebody was actually brought into court over a contempt
of Congress charge was nineteen eighty three. People like Henry Kissinger,
who we both know, Janet Reno, Harriet Myers, Josh Poulton,
(12:54):
Eric Holder, Lois Lerner, Brian Pagliano, Bill Barr, Chad Wolf,
they were all also held in contempt of Congress. It
doesn't matter what your feelings about Steve Bannon, aar. Why
do we have a selective justice system, a dual justice
system That doesn't sound like equal justice and equal application
of our laws to me? It's not with mister Bannon.
(13:19):
He goaded the congressional committee. All he had to do
was walk in and take the fifth. He didn't want
to do that. He wanted to make a display of defiance. Now,
the only guy that you referred to is G. Gordon Liddy,
the Watergate burglar, who did the same thing. He basically said,
I'm not answering any questions, I'm not coming before your
(13:40):
stupid committee, and I don't care what you do to me,
and he served time. Other than that, in our lifetime,
there hasn't been anybody charged with a federal crime of
contempt of Congress and actually arrested and arraigned. So is
it political? Sure? Shouldn't even be January sixth, investigation in
(14:03):
the House. Why are we bothering you want an investigation?
Appoint a special counsel from the Justice Department, go on
in and do it that way. Why are you doing
a partisan investigation in the House? What built? It's a
they have a predetermined now come you know it. I
know it. Everybody listening to us now knows it. That's
why they kicked off Jim Jordan and Jim Banks. By
(14:26):
the way, I want to give a quick plug. I
think I'm gonna make it to your Tampa show. You're
doing four shows around the country with President Trump. I'm
trying to work out my schedule and because the show
is an Orlando, so I will give you directed. You know,
you're such a jackass. I'm trying to be nice. And
(14:47):
by the way, and I know you've sold over thirty
some one thousand tickets, but there are some tickets available.
They're very big venues. And it's just going to be
you and Trump, and it's going to be about the
history of as presidency and the impact of it. And uh,
we'll see what happens. And I hope, all right, we'll
produce us in Orlando on why why I get paid
(15:10):
to do things like that. Bill, I don't do those things,
but we have money. We've told with thirty thousand tickets.
That's true. You do backstage and I freeze. Just bring
the Tito's vodka anyway, Bill O'Reilly all things O'Reilly. If
you're interested in seeing the president President Trump and Bill,
(15:30):
just go to Bill O'Reilly dot com. Thank you, sir,
ladies and gentlemen, we like to take a second to
(15:50):
hear the immortal Bob Grant's thoughts about the world today. Hey,
ladies and gentlemen, it's sick and it's getting sicker. Now
back to the Sean Hannity show Man, It's sick and
it's getting sicker. Eight hundred nine one, Sean, you want
to be a part of the program? Went down in Florida.
It seems like I think I had originally been planned.
(16:12):
I don't want to say who, but I was very
honored to be asked to give one of the Patriot
Awards to somebody that I really admire. I'll tell you
tomorrow who it was. I don't know if they know,
if they're getting it. That's the problem. So I don't
want to break, can't they watch. We can tell people
to want Yeah they can. But you know, I will
be live doing Hannity because of what's going on in Wisconsin,
(16:34):
so I'll probably miss most of it. And my son
and his friends are coming down here, which will be
pretty cool. Why are you smiling? I listen. I love
when your families around. I think it's a wonderful thing.
You know, I rarely talk about them, but it's fun.
It's fun to see you guys together. And he's a
growing up now. I've known him since he was about it.
Thank God. The Maury grows up, the better it gets
(16:54):
from my life. Yes, he's a hard working capitalist. He's
doing great. I'm proud of him. But I say that
with my fingers crossed. I think you got everything crossed.
Actually every every No, Look, he's a great kid. I'm
very blessed. But um, anyway, so he's I don't He's
gonna have to decide to watch Dad, which he can
do every night anyway, or watch the awards. I think
(17:15):
he'll just the awards. Well, I think he's gonna be
in there, so I'll probably watch the awards. Yeah, I think.
So it's gonna be super fun. Are you going by
the way, I don't know. Am I going? I don't know.
You're welcomed up. I'm wearing my uniform jeans, a blue
shirt and a jacket. Yeah, my uniform. No, hell no,
Why I'm not wearing a tie anytime I'm mad at
(17:36):
the studio? I don't wear a tie? Is that right?
I don't I wear a tie literally for sixty one
minutes on any given day. Do you know the maximum?
Do you know how to tie a tie? I tie
my own tie every night. I do. Do you make
a windsor or a regular? A regular? Okay? I'm just asking.
Oh my god, I don't know all the answers. All right, anyway,
we're on jury verdict Watch eight or nine four one.
(18:00):
Shaun as a number. You want to be a part
of the program. Brad is in South Carolina, Brad High.
How are you glad you called? Sir? Thank you, sirs.
Mine comment is, I want to hope the boy comes
out in sad and that's what he is. He's a kid.
I got a couple of questions. You know who's really
at fault to this is the law enforcement in that town.
I'm a twenty two year law enforcement veteran, and US
(18:23):
Marine Corps veteran. And I'm telling you that stuff would
have never went down into county where our sheriff is now,
Spartmer County. We wouldn't have put up with that Sparkmer County, wouldn't.
You're talking about the initial rioting that took place in Kenosha, correct, Yeah.
I see police vehicles there and people pushing trash kids
down the street. That would have never flew. And two,
(18:44):
my other point is I can't believe a seventeen year
old kid would even go down there, whether he was asked,
how did anything felt like he could have made a
difference and taken a take a don't I don't disagree
with you on this point. Now maybe yet all the
altruistic motives in the world, but when you know Adam
(19:04):
Schiff is about to hit the fan, I don't think
you should be there or put yourself in a position
knowing what we had known in the summer of twenty twenty,
in the five and thirty some odd riots that Liz
Cheney and the rest of the Committee of January six
don't seem to care about, when we lost dozens of
people and thousands of cops injured, bricks, rocks, bottles, molotov
(19:27):
cocktails and worse. So well, first, thank you for serving
your country. Simplify, thanks for your service in law enforcement.
But with that said, we don't. We're now at a
point where most cops in most cities don't feel that
they have the backing to do their job. How do
(19:48):
I know because I have a lot of friends that
a policemen and policewomen, and my family is in law enforcement,
and they feel that it's open season on them. You
have seen all the videos you have seen cops literally
confronted by anarchists, you know, bust burning their cars, assaulting cops,
(20:10):
throwing fluids all over them, buckets of water even and
getting away with all of it. You know, with all
the talk about all the people involved in January sixth, Okay,
I don't support rioting. If you don't obey the law,
you should there should be a punishment. But the punishment
should also be applied to the people that were rioting
and looting and involved in arson and taking over city
(20:34):
blocks and burning down police precincts. We should have equal
application of the law in those cases. And nobody wants
to talk about that. The only reason we talk about
one riot and not all the riots. Is because the
one riot they want to talk about they feel they
can bludgeon Donald Trump one more time. That's what Liz
Cheney's motivation is. Otherwise Liz would be leading the effort
(20:57):
to form a committee to look into the five hundred
and thirty five riots. So to me, you know, this
is a predetermined outcome sham committee, and it's not worth
the paper it's going to end up being printed on.
They already wrote it right. The second point is did
his parents know that he was going down there? I
think so. I interviewed his mom. She was a lovely lady,
(21:19):
and her answer was that this is who this kid is,
that he genuinely has a calling, a desire to help people.
I don't doubt that at all. Apparently he did help
some people in each instance, though, you know, for whatever
reason he's there, Whether it was a good decision or
a bad decision, that's irrelevant to the case. What's relevant
(21:42):
is within the law of Wisconsin, did he fear for
his life? Did he fear that he was facing serious,
significant bodily harm. I would argue a pointed, loaded gun
at your head would fit that definition. I would argue
that when you're being chased by a mob and you're
on the ground and you're about to have your face
(22:03):
kicked into the pavement, you're at risk of serious bodily
harm or even death. I would argue, if somebody grabs
the barrel of your gun and you have to defend yourself,
knowing that if he gets the gun, they likely would
turn it on you, it fits the definition of the
law based in Wisconsin. So on the law, it doesn't
(22:23):
matter why he was there. It doesn't matter whether it
was a good decision or a bad decision. After midnight,
after two am, there's not a lot of good that's
going to be happening wherever you happen to be, and
it's better off if you're home in your bed, safe
and sound. But you know, young kids, they don't They
just don't think the same way as mature adults. Unfortunately,
(22:46):
now this kid is his whole life is hanging in
the hands of this jury, and we'll see what happens.
Juries are notoriously difficult to predict what they're gonna do.
There's enormous political pressure in Kenosha outside of that courthouse
that I'm sure the jury is keenly aware of but
if they follow the law, he should be found not
(23:07):
guilty on every charge in my view. Appreciate the call,
Thanks for being with us. Eight hundred that was bred
in South Carolina, Iowa. We have Tony's standing by Tony. Hi.
How are you glad you called? Sir? Great Hannity, Thanks
for taking the call. And I'm following us both too
little nervous, you know, if they if they con victim,
(23:29):
I just think it's gonna embolden more and more rioters.
You know, those are the ones that, sure there was
a certain percentage that we're out there to just even
though they were breaking a curfew, they were out there
to protest. But it's those well, frankly, the ones, the
kind of people that got shot are the ones who
(23:50):
are emboldened by you know, this this protection to where, oh,
if there's not going to be anybody out there with
guns because of this verdict, everyone, you know, the law
followers are going to be too scared to come out
with now. I think people have been emboldened. No, very
(24:10):
few people have ever been held accountable for the five
hundred and thirty five riots that killed dozens of Americans
injured thousands of cops and caused billions and billions of
dollars in financial losses for many businesses. Either they were
robbed and there was looting, or they were burned to
the ground. Their businesses were burned to the ground, and
(24:31):
nobody seems to care to hold those people accountable, even
though in many of those instances we have videotaped evidence. Look,
this has been a pet peeve of mine for a
long time. Ferguson Missouri. We had people on video committing crimes.
Why we didn't track each and every one of them
down is a mistake because you are emboldening people. You're
(24:54):
telling people you can get away with it, You're not
gonna face consequences. The same thing when it happened in Baltimore, Maryland.
That was the pretty gray case. And the couple in
Missouri that stood their ground on their porch while MS
was being stormed, well, well, and apparently they went down.
(25:15):
They're in Kenosha now too. I don't know why they're there,
but they apparently want to. They feel so strongly about
the case that they feel compelled to go there. Anyway,
good call, I appreciate it. Eight hundred nine one. Shawn
is on a number you want to be a part
of the program. Sharon is in Houston, Texas on KTRH.
What's up, Sharon, How are you glad you called? Hi? Sean,
(25:36):
Thank you, thank you. I wanted to say that I
can remember the day when when Rittenhouse would have been
considered a patriot and a hero in the community because
he was there to help a community effort of a
team of people that were cleaning up from previous riots
and burnings and lootings. They were they were just doing
(25:58):
a community project. And we cannot let this criminal element
that has developed take over our culture and society like this.
We have to we can't let them make us afraid
so that we stay inside our houses and we don't
come out, and we don't defend ourselves. And I believe
that he's standing for all law abouting citizens were the
(26:22):
right to defend ourselves, and I'm praying for him. Look,
do I think this kid probably went there, as stated
for altruistic reasons? Yeah? I kind of got that feeling
that he's sincere. Do I think it was a wise decision?
I don't, because knowing what we know, having seen riot,
(26:44):
having covered one riot after another, riot after another riot.
You just don't need to be there in those moments.
I have, for example, those a couple of friends of
mine that were in Washington around January fifth and six,
and I advised them all to stay away from any trouble,
(27:07):
and they all did. They didn't listen right away, but
they all eventually listened. Um, because I know what can happen.
I follow these stories, I report on these stories. I
know with a natural outcome of these incidents, I know
what this is headed. It's not a lot of good
coming out of it. Anyway, I appreciate the call. All right,
(27:28):
quick break, We'll come back eight hundred nine one, Sean,
if you want to be a part of the program.
MORERIR calls coming up straight ahead as we continue. We're
in Florida today for the Patriot Awards for Fox News,
but we will be live nine Eastern watching the events unfolding.
Kenosha Stephen is in South Carolina. Stephen, Hi, how are
(28:01):
you glad you called? Hey? Sean, thanks for taking McCall
and I just wanted to get off on a tangent
a little bit about to make a point about the
current illegitimate administrations handling of the vaccine mandate for healthcare
workers regarding the China virus was calling only behalf of
(28:21):
my wife, who has been a state employee for the
healthcare system here for twenty five years. She will be
losing her job in two weeks because she thinks the
vaccine is basically a hipibolation. If you forced me to
show you, I ask you personal question that you don't
(28:43):
do not have to answer. Did your wife ever get COVID? No? No,
we've we've following all the mask rules and standing no
listen even people to follow the mask rules. These breakthrough
cases are real. A friend of mine's kid that fully
vaccinated got COVID yesterday. It's they're a hotspots all over
New York again. Um, look, I'm not as I've been saying.
(29:06):
There's nothing I'm gonna say or foul she's gonna say,
or the CDC is gonna say, or the NIH is
gonna say, or you know, the blubbering idiot Biden is
ever gonna say that's gonna convince you. So the she
sounds like she's made up her mind. I pray she
doesn't get this. I strongly urge you to stay in
(29:26):
contact with her doctor. I don't know if you know
what monoclonal antibodies are, whether you're vaccinated or unvaccinated. If
she ever gets a positive test, you immediately need to
contact your doctor. I have found anecdotally that it has
worked for many people, but that's gonna be up to you.
(29:46):
But I will say this for people like your wife,
in the worst moments of this pandemic, went into a
basically a work environment that was a COVID Petrie dish
and we're diving on ovid hand grenades every day. They
were the heroes, and now we're firing the heroes, the nurses,
the hospital workers. And to me, that's unconscionable. Would your
(30:11):
wife accept a test to get tested if that was
made available as a choice for her. I only got
about ten seconds here. I'm just saying, which, that's not
a choice. It's basically just a violation of the chant Amendment.
There's not a choice. You either get baxed or proved
that your vibe. If she had the choice, would she
accept it? Yes, But that's not an obtrept sir. Well,
(30:36):
it's sad to me, and that's why I've been trying
to get people to back off the mandate and at
least thread the needles so people won't lose their income,
their benefits, and their pensions. Eight hundred nine one saw
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