December 7, 2023 • 32 mins
John McLaughlin, Founder and Pollster with McLaughlin & Associates and Pollsters, Robert Cahaly and Matt Towery, Hosts of Polling Plus, join today for post debate analysis.
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Speaker 8 (01:02):
All right, thanks Scott Schennon, and thanks to all of
you for being with us. Here's our toll free number.
It's eight hundred and nine to four one sewn you
want to be a part of the program. So this
now what the third Republican primary debate. You had four
people on the stage last night as we've been discussing
the vake Ramaswami. Governor Rond De Santis, Chris Christy and
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Nicki Haley. It was intense at times, and you know
I felt watching this debate it just it's it's down
to if you want to look at any two people
that should be debating, it's very obvious it should be
Ron and Nikki. You know, Christy's been up there the
whole time. All he wants to do is bass Trump.
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Hopefully he gets hired at the end of this deal
by a fake new CNN or MSDNC, and maybe he
gets to write a book that'll do as well as
Humpty Dumpty's Flop. Anyway, let me play some of it.
Gives you a flavor for how things went last night.
The vake Ramaswami attacking Nikki Haley, Ron De Santis and
Nickcki Haley sparring over comments that Nikki Haley had made
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on verifying the identity on social media. The Hamas attack
wasn't an attack on America. Offers to have a three
year old show Haley Israel.
Speaker 9 (02:16):
On a map.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
He thinks he's cute.
Speaker 8 (02:18):
And of course Chris Christi vic would be the most
obnoxious man in America and then and out there. I
don't know, maybe he's trying to be noble defending Nikki Haley. Listen,
Nicki Haley.
Speaker 10 (02:30):
Was heaping praise on me when I wrote that book,
But now I worry I was warning about the woke
industrial complex in this country.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
As a warning.
Speaker 10 (02:38):
Apparently she read it as a how to manual, just
like she reads Georgia Orwell's book all Right as well.
And so I think that that's actually far more dangerous
than it is really important for people to understand. We're
marching towards fascism under Biden. Jack Smith has a subpoena
every last retweet that someone has issued from Donald Trump
in the year twenty twenty. The only person more fascist
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than the Biden regime now is Nikki Haley, who thinks
the government should identify.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Every one of those individuals with an ID. That is
not freedom, that is fascism.
Speaker 10 (03:08):
And she should come nowhere near the levers of power,
let alone the White House.
Speaker 11 (03:11):
As a mom.
Speaker 12 (03:12):
Do I think that social media would be more civil
if we went and had people's names next to that? Yes,
I do think that, because I think we've got too
much cyberbulling. I think we've got child pornomraphy and all
of those things but having said that, I never said
government should go and require anyone.
Speaker 13 (03:27):
She said, I want your name.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
In the United States.
Speaker 13 (03:31):
Her first day in office, she said, one of the
first things I'm going to.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Do, she said, were going to media. You want your name.
Speaker 13 (03:37):
She wants that's what she said.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
You can roll the tape.
Speaker 13 (03:41):
She said, I want your name, and that was going
to be one of the first things she did in office.
And then she got real serious blowback, and understandably so,
because it'd be a massive expansion of government. Actually, we
have anonymous speech. The Federalist papers were written with anonymous
writers Jay Madison and Hamilton. They went under pubulus. It's
something that's support and especially given how conservatives have been
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attacked and and and they've lost jobs and they've been canceled.
You know, the regime would use that to weaponize that
against our own people.
Speaker 12 (04:15):
And then there is the former governor because Ron is
so hypocritical, because he actually went and tried to push
a law that would stop anonymous people from talking to
the press and went so far to say bloggers should
have to register with the state if they're going to
talk about write about elected officials. It was in the
check your newspaper. It was absolutely there.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
I said.
Speaker 11 (04:38):
Costutional, I wouldn't it be a good thing to finish Hamas?
Speaker 10 (04:43):
Finish them was purposefully vague in a discussion that included Iran,
which is what I objected to. And I think it's
as US president, you have to be responsible.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
What happened to Israel was dead wrong.
Speaker 10 (04:54):
What Hamas did was medieval, it was subhuman, it was immoral,
and we have to call that out for what it
is an October seventh. But to say that that was
an attack on America fails a basic test.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I mean, Nick, if you can't.
Speaker 10 (05:06):
Tell the difference between where Israel is and the US
is on a map, I can have my three year old.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Son show you the difference.
Speaker 10 (05:12):
That is irresponsible because it has major consequences, because that
doesn't leave room for what actually is an attack on America.
So I believe I have the strongest pro Israel position
actually on the stage, even though it's a little You didn't.
Speaker 9 (05:23):
Say it, and then you back away, and I want
to say, at what.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I'm not done yet. Well, this looks.
Speaker 7 (05:31):
Steath.
Speaker 9 (05:33):
This is the fourth debate, the fourth debate that you
would be voted in the first twenty minutes as the
most UNUS blowhard in America.
Speaker 7 (05:41):
So shut up for the laugh.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
That I want to.
Speaker 9 (05:49):
Say something else. We're now twenty five minutes into this debate,
and he has insulted Nikki Haley's basic intelligence, not her positions,
her basic intelligence.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
She doesn no regions.
Speaker 9 (06:04):
She wouldn't be able to find something on a map
that his three year old could find. Look, if you
want to disagree on issues, that's fine, and Nicky and
I disagree on some issues, but I'll tell you this,
I've known it for twelve years, which is longer than
he's even started to vote in a Republican primary. While
we disagree about some issues and we disagree about who
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should be president of the United States, what we don't
disagree on is this is a smart, accomplished woman and
you should stop insulting shot a.
Speaker 8 (06:32):
Right joining us now to weigh in on this and
what impact, if any, it's going to have on the
presidential primary less than forty days now till the Iowa caucuses.
We have polster John McLaughlan with McLaughlin and Associates, Robert
KA Haley with the Trafalgar Group, and Matt Towery insider
advantage all two of them are hosting Robert and Matt.
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They have their new podcast. It's called Polling Plus. Now
is the podcast up and running?
Speaker 7 (07:00):
It is up and running. It is up and running.
We are going to be doing a hard launch though
the beginning of January, so where you can find this
on Apple once and other places now, but you'll see
it come on really strong beginning of January as we
get into Iowa.
Speaker 8 (07:15):
All right, let's get into first last night's debate. Does
it help any of these other candidates considering President Trump
has such a wide lead.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
We'll get your take, John McLachlin.
Speaker 14 (07:26):
It's a playoff. You know, you don't get to play
the champion like President Trump loves, you know, boxing, So
you didn't get to fight Muhammad Ali just because you
wanted to fight him. You had to have a playoff.
You have to have a fight where the contenders, you know,
would see who was the strongest challenger. And right now
what you're watching is a playoff. And really they're not
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at the level of President Trump, which is why Trump
is just blowing it away in the national polls. Roberts
just came out with a poll in Iowa of likely
caucus goers where President Trump has a significan and twenty
three point lead. But it's really important for Ron De
Santis to hang on to second in Iowa because he's
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like in fourth or fifth place in New Hampshire. So
if he doesn't come in second in Iowa, however distant
it is, but he's.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Been holding a steady second in Iowa up to this point.
Is he not right?
Speaker 14 (08:18):
But she's making a run at him, right, So you know,
like Robert can talk about his poll, but he's got
Nikki right behind him. So that's when the questions and
by the way, you know, I'm sure more people watch
your town hall with President Trump than watched that debate
last out of whatever channel it was on. But in
the meantime, you know, the questions that were interesting about
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her wanting to take money from anybody, that she was
getting hit because her campaign is being backed by Democrats
now because they just want to stop Donald Trump. And
so for Ron De Santis that was important because they
put out his super pack, the new one that they've got,
put out an ad attacking Haley saying she was inspired
by Hillary Clinton to.
Speaker 8 (09:01):
Run for I've actually seen that d and she said
it a number of times in another number of different places,
and it kind of surprised me. I did not know
that she had said that, but she was inspired to
get into politics. Matt Tower, your take on last night.
Speaker 7 (09:17):
I have had the same position on these debates all through,
and that is they're not having any impact on anything.
I will say that the last debate, the one before this,
Haley did sort of emerge and that gave her a
bit of a boost and put her more in the
in focus. But the truth of the matter is what
John says is right. It's like watching sort of the
B level debate and the true debater, the true leader
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in this thing right now in the polls, is not involved.
And I'm really, I'm not really although interested in many
more of these debates. They've covered everything they can cover.
I think what's going to happen, Sean, this is important.
If Trump really blows them away in Iowa, then I
you know, I just don't see and being sidelined at all.
Speaker 8 (09:57):
Well, let me ask you about that. Iowa is is
pretty tricky. It's a caucus. It is not a primary.
What place you come in first or second or third
or whatever actually matters in Iowa. And there are numerous
rounds of voting that take place, and historically it has
gone very heavy in terms of evangelical candidates, even people
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that weren't polling well like Mike Couckabee won there and
Rick Santorum won there and Senator Ted Cruz won There
is there any impact that you see on that front.
Speaker 7 (10:29):
Well, let me just say this. I pulled Iowa for many,
many years, and I've usually had it right and I
have seen this sort of thing happen before. So if
Trump doesn't perform as well as people expect, I'm not
gonna be shocked at all. I've said before the posters
have Trump way too high. But I still think Trump's
going to win. And I really don't see he waited
that any of these early caucuses or the primaries changed
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that event, because you then get into big states that
are huge Trump and the money runs out of these
other candidates. I just don't see it. It's not coming
together right now.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
What do you think, Robert?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
I see it very much the same way as Matt.
When you're looking at Iowa, it really is. It is
not just about poelling. It is about organization, and by
all indication to Saint Is has built the type of
organization he needs to separate himself more than his polling
is from Haley. I think that that is going to
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be his strength.
Speaker 14 (11:26):
And you're right.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
If he didn't make it there, he wouldn't make it anywhere.
But you know, as far as the debate goes, I
feel like the only thing that really got accomplished was
Viveck made himself a candidate that would be completely unacceptable
to any kind of mainstream Republican and Haley made herself
a candidate that would be completely unacceptable to American first candidate.
Speaker 8 (11:48):
Let's get your take, John McLaughlin, because look at the
history of Iowa, Rick Santour, Mike Huckabee, Senator Ted Cruz, evangelical.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
The evangelical vote is very powerful Iowa.
Speaker 14 (12:01):
Yes, and they are supporting Donald Trump. He's you know,
the other polsters on the phone can tell you. Trump
is stronger with the evangelical voters. He's stronger with the conservative,
pro life voters. And it's frustrating to our opponents because
they're trying to make cracks and dents in that base
and they're sticking with Donald Trump. Because when you look
at Donald Trump, he fought for Iowa, whether it was
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the farmers, the ethanol, the you know, the workers in Iowa,
and the tax cuts, getting rid of the estate times.
Speaker 8 (12:30):
Also a lot of the trade deal that he made
with China involve like corn and other products for farmers
in Iowa, so that was a big deal.
Speaker 14 (12:39):
So he's he's very strong out there. And your key
point about January fifteenth, for those of us who have
worked caucuses in Iowa, it could be cold, it could
be snowy. You not only have to be organized to
go to these caucuses, but you have to have a
passion to go there. And Trump voters are passionate, and
this year, more than ever before, they are up because
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even as we're speaking today, Donald Trump is once again
in New York where the liberal Democratic Attorney General Letitia James,
who's working at Biden's behest, wants to take away his
business and his wealth from him. Why because he's leading
Joe Biden in the pulse. So this political persecution, you know,
this is just an outrage for Republicans and Trump supporters
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will go out the night of the January fifteenth and
we'll have their votes heard, because it's a way to
send Washington a message that we're sick of this, that
we're sick of Joe Biden's corruption.
Speaker 8 (13:32):
All right, click, Frank will come right back. We'll continue.
Here's our toll free number. It's eight hundred and nine
to four one, Sean, if you want to be a
part of the program, more with our posters. John McLaughlin,
Robert ka Haley, Matt Towery. I we continue now with
our posters here it is eleven months away. John McLaughlin,
Robert Kahley, Matt Towery, are with us?
Speaker 3 (13:50):
All right?
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Exit question? All three of you all start with you, Matt.
Speaker 8 (13:54):
We heard Joe Biden say I'm not even sure if
I'd be running except Donald Trump's in the race now.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
They walked it back.
Speaker 8 (14:00):
But is that an indication that maybe in the back
of his mind that he wants out or is looking
for an exit ramp? And do you think he will
be the candidate in eleven months from now?
Speaker 7 (14:12):
You know, Sean, I don't think we're going to know
that answer immediately. I think if he were going to
get out of this thing, he would wait until after
there's any chance for another Republican or another Democrat rather
to run against him, and someone would be handticked by
the DNC.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
And who would be.
Speaker 7 (14:28):
I think it would have to be the vice president.
You can't skip over the African American female vote, particularly
if you have an African American female in office.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Robert, Yeah, I totally agree.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
I think that there's a fifty chance Biden is going
to be the candidate, and he was just looking for
way to justify while he's staying in the race. But
if they replace him, they'll do some kind of thing
about in the DNC. The convention will empower the DNC
to make the replacement, to act in the absence of
a convention, and then they'll get him out well before
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the forty five day deadline and post money into that
either her or somebody else, maybe another black female that
we don't have an afrofile on, or not much of one.
Speaker 8 (15:10):
Maybe a lot of people have speculated it would be
Michelle Obama.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
I don't see it.
Speaker 15 (15:14):
What are your thoughts, John, It's going to be Joe Biden,
And you can tell by just watch the reaction after
the dictator comment that the Biden campaign is all hopped on,
and those of us in the Trump campaign.
Speaker 7 (15:26):
Had to push back.
Speaker 14 (15:27):
Joe Biden's a dictator. He's the guy who wants to
lock up his leading political opponent. But that comment from
your town hall, all the Biden people fused on it.
They are going full force at Donald Trump because they
the Biden by the president, wants to get reelected and
we have to stop them. And we're the only candidate
who can stop Well, he.
Speaker 8 (15:45):
Said, I am your retribution. I said, what do you
mean by that? I said, would you ever use the
power of the government. He says, only on day one,
when I bring back oil and gas production and when
I secure the border. That's hardly retribution. But anyway, the
media is what The media is the biggest campaign contributors
to all things Democrats. Thank you all. Matt Towery, thank you,
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John McLachlin, Thank you. Robert Haley.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
We like to take a second to hear the immortal
Bob Grant's thoughts about the world today.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Hey, ladies and gentlemen, is sick and it is getting sicker.
Now I'll back to the Sean Hannity Show.
Speaker 8 (16:28):
Yeah, those words as relevant as they've ever been. It
is sick and it is getting sicker. Anyway, twenty five
to the top of the hour. Thanks for being with us.
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and angry over what happened in Congress this week when
the presidents of Javid and MIT and you Penn refused
to say whether calling for genocide of Jews is bullying
an harassment under their codes of conduct, and all three
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of this president gave some variation of you know, even
go so far as to say that it would well,
first it would need to turn into action, really genocide, terrorism, murder, rape, beheadings.
I've seen the videos, the videos that out there. As
a matter of fact, a number of my Fox colleagues
they got to see the video that I've been describing
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to you, and they literally were in tears. Some of
them left the room. They couldn't watch it. I'm not
naming names. I just I wasn't there, but I was told,
and it is that brutal. It is evil in our time.
I said this when I wrote the book in two
thousand and four, Deliver Us from Evil, Defeating Terrorism and
Despotism and liberalism. And liberals got pissed off at the title,
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and I'm like, well, you have to win the political
war if you want somebody that understands the nature of evil.
But I said in that book, and I said all
over that book tour that good people have a very
hard time wrapping their minds around evil that exists. For example,
if somebody takes a hoe and beheads another human being,
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how do you come to any other conclusion except that
is evil? And then can't finish it. By the way,
having seen a number of beheading, real beheading videos in
my life, those images are seered into your memory, you
will never forget seeing it. And I actually think more
people should see it, those that can handle it, not
those that can't handle it. And you know, and you
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see how hard it is to sever somebody's head off,
yet it happens. What happened on October seventh was nothing
but pure evil. You know, in this day and age
where these are the most woke universities and the most
politically correct universities, are they actually saying that, well, calling
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you know, for genocide is it's not part of their
bullying harassment codes of conduct, and that you know, going
as far as to say they need some type of action. Now,
Harvard's president, obviously fighting for her life in her job,
Claudine Gay, released a statement yesterday vowing to hold accountable
anybody on campus that threatens Jewish students. A day after well,
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isn't it a threat? Isn't it a hostile environment? How
often have we heard or hostile environment. Working with Linda's
a hostile environment. She's after me all the time. But
in all seriousness, you know, there are some who have
classified the right to free expression with the idea that
Harvard will condone calls for violence against Jewish students. Let
me be clear, calls for violence or genocide against the
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Jewish people and Jewish community, or any religious or ethnic
group are vile and have no place at Harvard, and
those who threaten our Jewish students will be held to account.
That's not what they were saying that day. And I
think we have the president of which president of oh
U Penn President Liz McGill is her name, saying that
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she was not focused when I asked the question about genocide.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Listen, there was a moment during yesterday's congressional hearing on
anti Sidmotism when I was asked if a call for
the genocide of Jewish people on our campus would violate
our policies.
Speaker 16 (22:09):
In that moment, I was.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Focused on our university's long standing policies aligned with the
US Constitution, which say that speech.
Speaker 16 (22:18):
Alone is not punishable. I was not focused on but.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
I should have been the irrefutable fact that a call
for genocide of Jewish people is a call for some
of the most terrible violence human beings can perpetrate.
Speaker 16 (22:33):
It's evil, plain and simple.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
I want to be clear, a call for genocide of
Jewish people is threatening deeply so it is intentionally meant
to terrify a people who have been subjected to pogroms
and hatred for centuries and were the victims of mass
genocide in the Holocaust.
Speaker 16 (22:56):
In my view, it would be harassment or intimidation for decades.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Under multiple PEN presidents and consistent with most universities, Penn's
policies have been guided by the Constitution in the law.
In today's world, where we are seeing signs of hate
proliferating across our campus and our world in a way
not seen in years, these policies need to be clarified
and evaluated. PEN must initiate a serious and careful look
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at our policies and provos. Jackson and I will immediately
convene a process to do so. As president, I'm committed
to a safe, secure and supportive environment so all members
of our community can thrive.
Speaker 16 (23:36):
We can and we will get this right. Thank you.
Speaker 8 (23:40):
So they're all pulling back, let me tell you why,
Because if you ever get to be a university president
at a prestigious university, that is a job that usually
pays a fortune. That is a job where you are
well taken care of. It is not the hardest job
in the world. Why do you think so many hippies
gravitated towards academia? Okay, what you teach three classes? You know,
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it's it's pretty unbelievable, and you have to grade and
then you have student, you know, grad students doing most
of the work for you.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
It's not that hard.
Speaker 11 (24:14):
But to your point, she says, she's not focused, she's
not a pretty focus.
Speaker 8 (24:18):
To me, well, we've got the cut of Elish Deephonic,
who I thought did a fabulous job earlier in the week,
you know, with the presidents of MIT, Penn and Harvard
listen at MIT.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
Does calling for the genocide of Jews violate MIT's code
of conduct or rules regarding bullying harassment?
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Yes or no?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
If targeted at individuals not making public statements.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
If it is directed and severe or pervasive, it is harassment.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
So the answer is yes.
Speaker 16 (24:46):
It is a context dependent decision. Congresswoman anti Semitic rhetoric.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
And is it anti semitic rhetoric.
Speaker 16 (24:52):
Anti Semitic rhetoric.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
When it crosses into conduct that amounts to bullying, harassment, intimidation.
Speaker 16 (25:00):
Is actionable conduct, and we do take action.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
So the answer is yes, that calling for the genocide
of Jews violates Harvard Code of Conduct.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Correct.
Speaker 8 (25:11):
I mean, at least Aphonic got right to the bottom
of it. They refuse to call to say calling for
the genocide of Jews is bullying and harassment. Now pick
any other quote identity group. We talk about identity politics.
We talk about demographics all the time. Every poll is
broken down demographically between age and sex and race, et cetera. Okay,
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what if somebody says this type of thing against any
other quote identity group fill in the blank. If they
make racist comments, misogynistic comments, homophobic comments, comments against LBGTQ,
or comments against transgenderism, or comments against Islam or deemed islamophobic,
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what happens in those schools?
Speaker 1 (26:01):
They get kicked out.
Speaker 8 (26:03):
If you're a conservative, if your voice, you know, you're
wasting your time in most cases, if you try to
speak out, if you're a prominent conservative. I just gave
up on that notion, that idea many many years ago,
and when I was having Alan Dershwitz debating Cornell West
about this very issue. I wanted to bring that debate
to Havard and Havevid. Apparently he's not interested in that
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kind of debate. And by the way, even if they
said yes, I don't think we'd be able to pull
it off because I think enough people would protest.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
It is just that this.
Speaker 8 (26:35):
Is repulsive, the fact that thirty one groups at Harvard
blamed Israel the victim for October the seventh, and it's
taken them this long and only when they're being pressured
by their big donors and they're worried about their big
trust funds and their endowments do they get concerned.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Unreal?
Speaker 8 (26:57):
All right, quick break right back to our phones. Eight
hundred and ninety Sean is our number. If you want
to be a part of the program. Let's get back
to our busy phones. Let's say hi to David in Seattle. David, Hi,
how are you?
Speaker 17 (27:08):
I'm good? Sean?
Speaker 1 (27:09):
How are you? I'm good? What's going on? Well?
Speaker 7 (27:11):
I just wanted to call and ask a question.
Speaker 17 (27:14):
About the Channel Hall you did the other night.
Speaker 7 (27:17):
I love you your show, thank you for everything you.
Speaker 17 (27:19):
Do, but I just had a question about the dictator question.
Speaker 7 (27:24):
I wanted to know why.
Speaker 8 (27:25):
I didn't I didn't ask the dictator question. I asked
the question was that? And I asked, the question is
because all over the media and I had a montage
that I played the medium mob was taking Donald Trump's
comments about retribution, I am your retribution, and they were
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using that, do we and if you listen to it
in context, let's see, we can get a copy of that,
you know, if you listen to it in context. So
I was giving him an opportunity to clarify that basically
everything that had been done to him, and that's abusing
power to go after one person that when he said
I am your retribution, that's what he meant.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Let me play it for you, okay.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
In twenty sixteen, I declared I am your voice.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Today I add I am.
Speaker 7 (28:15):
Your warrior, I am your justice, And for those who
have been wronged and betrayed, I am.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Your retribution, I am your retribution.
Speaker 8 (28:25):
Not going to let this happen, Okay, So when you
put it in context, those of you who have been
wronged or betrayed, I think he's talking about unequal justice
under the law. But every media outlet almost you know
the reason I call him a mob because they're, like
one voice was attacking him and calling him a dictator.
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So I said, mister President, will you tell the American
people tonight that you would not abuse any power in
quote seeking retribution? And he answered the question. I went
back for clarification on that question because the mob had
been attacking him and using his comments to say he
would be a dictator and giving him an opportunity to
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fight back what against what I thought was extraordinarily ridiculously unfair,
And I thought he gave a very good answer just
for one day. I'm going to bring back energy independence
and I'm going to secure the border. But he said no,
he wouldn't. In his first comment initially was no, I'm
not going to treat people. Do you mean like the
way I was treated exactly?
Speaker 17 (29:26):
I thought that was a brilliant answer.
Speaker 8 (29:28):
So why would you be mad if I asked the question,
considering I didn't. Every news outlet was calling him a
dictator because of that that was in the news, but they.
Speaker 17 (29:37):
Also took what his answer the one day and now
they're running with it. And I just feel like, if
you wouldn't have even brought that subject up, they wouldn't
have ammunition today to run with even more of it.
Speaker 8 (29:50):
Or are the or did it prove that what he
was saying was very different than how they were categorizing
it and giving him a chance to clarify it. I
thought was important because I got sick and tired of
hearing what I knew to be a lie.
Speaker 17 (30:03):
I get okay, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
All right, I'm a professional. I do this, you know,
I do this for a living.
Speaker 7 (30:11):
I trust you, Hannity.
Speaker 8 (30:12):
I just no, I mean, there was There's definitely a
reason I brought it up.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I brought it up because I.
Speaker 8 (30:17):
Felt that the comment was being completely taken out of
context and as the media often does, and now they
want to use this narrative He's a dictator, dictator, dictator, dictator.
You know, imagine if conservatives said that about Obama or Joe. Anyway,
appreciate the call, my friend, eight hundred and nine to
four one, Sean, if you want to be a part
of the program, Ray in Florida, the Free State of Florida.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
What's going on?
Speaker 9 (30:39):
Ray?
Speaker 1 (30:39):
How are you good?
Speaker 3 (30:40):
How are you? Sean?
Speaker 1 (30:41):
I'm good? What's going on?
Speaker 3 (30:42):
During the town hall, President Trump made an interesting comment
about Haley and DeSantis. Does he really believe that they're
taking money from the Democrats?
Speaker 8 (30:53):
I don't. I'm not sure, to be honest. I mean,
my life's a whirlwind. I don't remember specifically what referring to.
But there have been allegations that Democratic donors are trying
to influence the Republican primary. But by the way, that's
kind of standard fare. It happens in every election cycle.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Really, I was very common looking at Nikky Haley as
a poeminent opponent for Trump, but I would say, curt
Down's thirty points with me. She's taking money from Hillary.
Speaker 8 (31:25):
You know, most of these campaigns, unless it's a really
nefarious group, they need money so bad they'll take it
from wherever they can get it. And a lot of times,
by the way, you really don't know who's behind the money.
You don't know because they have, you know, various layers
of protection to remain anonymous. And the laws governing donating
to campaigns is crazy, and it certainly needs to be
(31:47):
in my view, it needs to be fixed.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Well, I firally believe that you're one right, unless we
start ballot harvesting and stuff like that.
Speaker 8 (31:55):
Better gain that they have not gotten their act together,
and my patience is running out with the Republic of
a National Committee. It just this for President because I've
been saying it now for years and then not fixing it.
There's no excuse in my in my mind, eight hundred
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be a part of the program.
That will come in.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
You wanna way I get, Tom saying you a conscious
sun will.
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I'll be entire.
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And if you want a little banging a y a't
come along.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
You don't see Israeli soldiers raping.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Well, Danna I think we're not. I don't want this
to be the hierarchy of oppressions.
Speaker 5 (00:25):
Harvard ranks the lowest when it comes to protecting Jewish students.
This is why I've called for your resignation and your testimony.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Today notable to Congress or to the American people.
Speaker 6 (00:35):
Afraidom is that in style, Welcome to the revolution.
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Will come in to your sing the way.
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I get and saying you a conscious.
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Speaker 8 (01:02):
All right, thanks Scott Schennon, and thanks to all of
you for being with us. Here's our toll free number.
It's eight hundred and nine to four one sewn you
want to be a part of the program. So this
now what the third Republican primary debate. You had four
people on the stage last night as we've been discussing
the vake Ramaswami. Governor Rond De Santis, Chris Christy and
(01:22):
Nicki Haley. It was intense at times, and you know
I felt watching this debate it just it's it's down
to if you want to look at any two people
that should be debating, it's very obvious it should be
Ron and Nikki. You know, Christy's been up there the
whole time. All he wants to do is bass Trump.
(01:42):
Hopefully he gets hired at the end of this deal
by a fake new CNN or MSDNC, and maybe he
gets to write a book that'll do as well as
Humpty Dumpty's Flop. Anyway, let me play some of it.
Gives you a flavor for how things went last night.
The vake Ramaswami attacking Nikki Haley, Ron De Santis and
Nickcki Haley sparring over comments that Nikki Haley had made
(02:04):
on verifying the identity on social media. The Hamas attack
wasn't an attack on America. Offers to have a three
year old show Haley Israel.
Speaker 9 (02:16):
On a map.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
He thinks he's cute.
Speaker 8 (02:18):
And of course Chris Christi vic would be the most
obnoxious man in America and then and out there. I
don't know, maybe he's trying to be noble defending Nikki Haley. Listen,
Nicki Haley.
Speaker 10 (02:30):
Was heaping praise on me when I wrote that book,
But now I worry I was warning about the woke
industrial complex in this country.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
As a warning.
Speaker 10 (02:38):
Apparently she read it as a how to manual, just
like she reads Georgia Orwell's book all Right as well.
And so I think that that's actually far more dangerous
than it is really important for people to understand. We're
marching towards fascism under Biden. Jack Smith has a subpoena
every last retweet that someone has issued from Donald Trump
in the year twenty twenty. The only person more fascist
(02:59):
than the Biden regime now is Nikki Haley, who thinks
the government should identify.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Every one of those individuals with an ID. That is
not freedom, that is fascism.
Speaker 10 (03:08):
And she should come nowhere near the levers of power,
let alone the White House.
Speaker 11 (03:11):
As a mom.
Speaker 12 (03:12):
Do I think that social media would be more civil
if we went and had people's names next to that? Yes,
I do think that, because I think we've got too
much cyberbulling. I think we've got child pornomraphy and all
of those things but having said that, I never said
government should go and require anyone.
Speaker 13 (03:27):
She said, I want your name.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
In the United States.
Speaker 13 (03:31):
Her first day in office, she said, one of the
first things I'm going to.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Do, she said, were going to media. You want your name.
Speaker 13 (03:37):
She wants that's what she said.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
You can roll the tape.
Speaker 13 (03:41):
She said, I want your name, and that was going
to be one of the first things she did in office.
And then she got real serious blowback, and understandably so,
because it'd be a massive expansion of government. Actually, we
have anonymous speech. The Federalist papers were written with anonymous
writers Jay Madison and Hamilton. They went under pubulus. It's
something that's support and especially given how conservatives have been
(04:02):
attacked and and and they've lost jobs and they've been canceled.
You know, the regime would use that to weaponize that
against our own people.
Speaker 12 (04:15):
And then there is the former governor because Ron is
so hypocritical, because he actually went and tried to push
a law that would stop anonymous people from talking to
the press and went so far to say bloggers should
have to register with the state if they're going to
talk about write about elected officials. It was in the
check your newspaper. It was absolutely there.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
I said.
Speaker 11 (04:38):
Costutional, I wouldn't it be a good thing to finish Hamas?
Speaker 10 (04:43):
Finish them was purposefully vague in a discussion that included Iran,
which is what I objected to. And I think it's
as US president, you have to be responsible.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
What happened to Israel was dead wrong.
Speaker 10 (04:54):
What Hamas did was medieval, it was subhuman, it was immoral,
and we have to call that out for what it
is an October seventh. But to say that that was
an attack on America fails a basic test.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I mean, Nick, if you can't.
Speaker 10 (05:06):
Tell the difference between where Israel is and the US
is on a map, I can have my three year old.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Son show you the difference.
Speaker 10 (05:12):
That is irresponsible because it has major consequences, because that
doesn't leave room for what actually is an attack on America.
So I believe I have the strongest pro Israel position
actually on the stage, even though it's a little You didn't.
Speaker 9 (05:23):
Say it, and then you back away, and I want
to say, at what.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I'm not done yet. Well, this looks.
Speaker 7 (05:31):
Steath.
Speaker 9 (05:33):
This is the fourth debate, the fourth debate that you
would be voted in the first twenty minutes as the
most UNUS blowhard in America.
Speaker 7 (05:41):
So shut up for the laugh.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
That I want to.
Speaker 9 (05:49):
Say something else. We're now twenty five minutes into this debate,
and he has insulted Nikki Haley's basic intelligence, not her positions,
her basic intelligence.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
She doesn no regions.
Speaker 9 (06:04):
She wouldn't be able to find something on a map
that his three year old could find. Look, if you
want to disagree on issues, that's fine, and Nicky and
I disagree on some issues, but I'll tell you this,
I've known it for twelve years, which is longer than
he's even started to vote in a Republican primary. While
we disagree about some issues and we disagree about who
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should be president of the United States, what we don't
disagree on is this is a smart, accomplished woman and
you should stop insulting shot a.
Speaker 8 (06:32):
Right joining us now to weigh in on this and
what impact, if any, it's going to have on the
presidential primary less than forty days now till the Iowa caucuses.
We have polster John McLaughlan with McLaughlin and Associates, Robert
KA Haley with the Trafalgar Group, and Matt Towery insider
advantage all two of them are hosting Robert and Matt.
(06:52):
They have their new podcast. It's called Polling Plus. Now
is the podcast up and running?
Speaker 7 (07:00):
It is up and running. It is up and running.
We are going to be doing a hard launch though
the beginning of January, so where you can find this
on Apple once and other places now, but you'll see
it come on really strong beginning of January as we
get into Iowa.
Speaker 8 (07:15):
All right, let's get into first last night's debate. Does
it help any of these other candidates considering President Trump
has such a wide lead.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
We'll get your take, John McLachlin.
Speaker 14 (07:26):
It's a playoff. You know, you don't get to play
the champion like President Trump loves, you know, boxing, So
you didn't get to fight Muhammad Ali just because you
wanted to fight him. You had to have a playoff.
You have to have a fight where the contenders, you know,
would see who was the strongest challenger. And right now
what you're watching is a playoff. And really they're not
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at the level of President Trump, which is why Trump
is just blowing it away in the national polls. Roberts
just came out with a poll in Iowa of likely
caucus goers where President Trump has a significan and twenty
three point lead. But it's really important for Ron De
Santis to hang on to second in Iowa because he's
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like in fourth or fifth place in New Hampshire. So
if he doesn't come in second in Iowa, however distant
it is, but he's.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Been holding a steady second in Iowa up to this point.
Is he not right?
Speaker 14 (08:18):
But she's making a run at him, right, So you know,
like Robert can talk about his poll, but he's got
Nikki right behind him. So that's when the questions and
by the way, you know, I'm sure more people watch
your town hall with President Trump than watched that debate
last out of whatever channel it was on. But in
the meantime, you know, the questions that were interesting about
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her wanting to take money from anybody, that she was
getting hit because her campaign is being backed by Democrats
now because they just want to stop Donald Trump. And
so for Ron De Santis that was important because they
put out his super pack, the new one that they've got,
put out an ad attacking Haley saying she was inspired
by Hillary Clinton to.
Speaker 8 (09:01):
Run for I've actually seen that d and she said
it a number of times in another number of different places,
and it kind of surprised me. I did not know
that she had said that, but she was inspired to
get into politics. Matt Tower, your take on last night.
Speaker 7 (09:17):
I have had the same position on these debates all through,
and that is they're not having any impact on anything.
I will say that the last debate, the one before this,
Haley did sort of emerge and that gave her a
bit of a boost and put her more in the
in focus. But the truth of the matter is what
John says is right. It's like watching sort of the
B level debate and the true debater, the true leader
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in this thing right now in the polls, is not involved.
And I'm really, I'm not really although interested in many
more of these debates. They've covered everything they can cover.
I think what's going to happen, Sean, this is important.
If Trump really blows them away in Iowa, then I
you know, I just don't see and being sidelined at all.
Speaker 8 (09:57):
Well, let me ask you about that. Iowa is is
pretty tricky. It's a caucus. It is not a primary.
What place you come in first or second or third
or whatever actually matters in Iowa. And there are numerous
rounds of voting that take place, and historically it has
gone very heavy in terms of evangelical candidates, even people
(10:19):
that weren't polling well like Mike Couckabee won there and
Rick Santorum won there and Senator Ted Cruz won There
is there any impact that you see on that front.
Speaker 7 (10:29):
Well, let me just say this. I pulled Iowa for many,
many years, and I've usually had it right and I
have seen this sort of thing happen before. So if
Trump doesn't perform as well as people expect, I'm not
gonna be shocked at all. I've said before the posters
have Trump way too high. But I still think Trump's
going to win. And I really don't see he waited
that any of these early caucuses or the primaries changed
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that event, because you then get into big states that
are huge Trump and the money runs out of these
other candidates. I just don't see it. It's not coming
together right now.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
What do you think, Robert?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
I see it very much the same way as Matt.
When you're looking at Iowa, it really is. It is
not just about poelling. It is about organization, and by
all indication to Saint Is has built the type of
organization he needs to separate himself more than his polling
is from Haley. I think that that is going to
(11:25):
be his strength.
Speaker 14 (11:26):
And you're right.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
If he didn't make it there, he wouldn't make it anywhere.
But you know, as far as the debate goes, I
feel like the only thing that really got accomplished was
Viveck made himself a candidate that would be completely unacceptable
to any kind of mainstream Republican and Haley made herself
a candidate that would be completely unacceptable to American first candidate.
Speaker 8 (11:48):
Let's get your take, John McLaughlin, because look at the
history of Iowa, Rick Santour, Mike Huckabee, Senator Ted Cruz, evangelical.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
The evangelical vote is very powerful Iowa.
Speaker 14 (12:01):
Yes, and they are supporting Donald Trump. He's you know,
the other polsters on the phone can tell you. Trump
is stronger with the evangelical voters. He's stronger with the conservative,
pro life voters. And it's frustrating to our opponents because
they're trying to make cracks and dents in that base
and they're sticking with Donald Trump. Because when you look
at Donald Trump, he fought for Iowa, whether it was
(12:24):
the farmers, the ethanol, the you know, the workers in Iowa,
and the tax cuts, getting rid of the estate times.
Speaker 8 (12:30):
Also a lot of the trade deal that he made
with China involve like corn and other products for farmers
in Iowa, so that was a big deal.
Speaker 14 (12:39):
So he's he's very strong out there. And your key
point about January fifteenth, for those of us who have
worked caucuses in Iowa, it could be cold, it could
be snowy. You not only have to be organized to
go to these caucuses, but you have to have a
passion to go there. And Trump voters are passionate, and
this year, more than ever before, they are up because
(13:01):
even as we're speaking today, Donald Trump is once again
in New York where the liberal Democratic Attorney General Letitia James,
who's working at Biden's behest, wants to take away his
business and his wealth from him. Why because he's leading
Joe Biden in the pulse. So this political persecution, you know,
this is just an outrage for Republicans and Trump supporters
(13:24):
will go out the night of the January fifteenth and
we'll have their votes heard, because it's a way to
send Washington a message that we're sick of this, that
we're sick of Joe Biden's corruption.
Speaker 8 (13:32):
All right, click, Frank will come right back. We'll continue.
Here's our toll free number. It's eight hundred and nine
to four one, Sean, if you want to be a
part of the program, more with our posters. John McLaughlin,
Robert ka Haley, Matt Towery. I we continue now with
our posters here it is eleven months away. John McLaughlin,
Robert Kahley, Matt Towery, are with us?
Speaker 3 (13:50):
All right?
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Exit question? All three of you all start with you, Matt.
Speaker 8 (13:54):
We heard Joe Biden say I'm not even sure if
I'd be running except Donald Trump's in the race now.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
They walked it back.
Speaker 8 (14:00):
But is that an indication that maybe in the back
of his mind that he wants out or is looking
for an exit ramp? And do you think he will
be the candidate in eleven months from now?
Speaker 7 (14:12):
You know, Sean, I don't think we're going to know
that answer immediately. I think if he were going to
get out of this thing, he would wait until after
there's any chance for another Republican or another Democrat rather
to run against him, and someone would be handticked by
the DNC.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
And who would be.
Speaker 7 (14:28):
I think it would have to be the vice president.
You can't skip over the African American female vote, particularly
if you have an African American female in office.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Robert, Yeah, I totally agree.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
I think that there's a fifty chance Biden is going
to be the candidate, and he was just looking for
way to justify while he's staying in the race. But
if they replace him, they'll do some kind of thing
about in the DNC. The convention will empower the DNC
to make the replacement, to act in the absence of
a convention, and then they'll get him out well before
(14:59):
the forty five day deadline and post money into that
either her or somebody else, maybe another black female that
we don't have an afrofile on, or not much of one.
Speaker 8 (15:10):
Maybe a lot of people have speculated it would be
Michelle Obama.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
I don't see it.
Speaker 15 (15:14):
What are your thoughts, John, It's going to be Joe Biden,
And you can tell by just watch the reaction after
the dictator comment that the Biden campaign is all hopped on,
and those of us in the Trump campaign.
Speaker 7 (15:26):
Had to push back.
Speaker 14 (15:27):
Joe Biden's a dictator. He's the guy who wants to
lock up his leading political opponent. But that comment from
your town hall, all the Biden people fused on it.
They are going full force at Donald Trump because they
the Biden by the president, wants to get reelected and
we have to stop them. And we're the only candidate
who can stop Well, he.
Speaker 8 (15:45):
Said, I am your retribution. I said, what do you
mean by that? I said, would you ever use the
power of the government. He says, only on day one,
when I bring back oil and gas production and when
I secure the border. That's hardly retribution. But anyway, the
media is what The media is the biggest campaign contributors
to all things Democrats. Thank you all. Matt Towery, thank you,
(16:09):
John McLachlin, Thank you. Robert Haley.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
We like to take a second to hear the immortal
Bob Grant's thoughts about the world today.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Hey, ladies and gentlemen, is sick and it is getting sicker.
Now I'll back to the Sean Hannity Show.
Speaker 8 (16:28):
Yeah, those words as relevant as they've ever been. It
is sick and it is getting sicker. Anyway, twenty five
to the top of the hour. Thanks for being with us.
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(18:35):
and angry over what happened in Congress this week when
the presidents of Javid and MIT and you Penn refused
to say whether calling for genocide of Jews is bullying
an harassment under their codes of conduct, and all three
(18:55):
of this president gave some variation of you know, even
go so far as to say that it would well,
first it would need to turn into action, really genocide, terrorism, murder, rape, beheadings.
I've seen the videos, the videos that out there. As
a matter of fact, a number of my Fox colleagues
they got to see the video that I've been describing
(19:18):
to you, and they literally were in tears. Some of
them left the room. They couldn't watch it. I'm not
naming names. I just I wasn't there, but I was told,
and it is that brutal. It is evil in our time.
I said this when I wrote the book in two
thousand and four, Deliver Us from Evil, Defeating Terrorism and
Despotism and liberalism. And liberals got pissed off at the title,
(19:41):
and I'm like, well, you have to win the political
war if you want somebody that understands the nature of evil.
But I said in that book, and I said all
over that book tour that good people have a very
hard time wrapping their minds around evil that exists. For example,
if somebody takes a hoe and beheads another human being,
(20:03):
how do you come to any other conclusion except that
is evil? And then can't finish it. By the way,
having seen a number of beheading, real beheading videos in
my life, those images are seered into your memory, you
will never forget seeing it. And I actually think more
people should see it, those that can handle it, not
those that can't handle it. And you know, and you
(20:24):
see how hard it is to sever somebody's head off,
yet it happens. What happened on October seventh was nothing
but pure evil. You know, in this day and age
where these are the most woke universities and the most
politically correct universities, are they actually saying that, well, calling
(20:46):
you know, for genocide is it's not part of their
bullying harassment codes of conduct, and that you know, going
as far as to say they need some type of action. Now,
Harvard's president, obviously fighting for her life in her job,
Claudine Gay, released a statement yesterday vowing to hold accountable
anybody on campus that threatens Jewish students. A day after well,
(21:09):
isn't it a threat? Isn't it a hostile environment? How
often have we heard or hostile environment. Working with Linda's
a hostile environment. She's after me all the time. But
in all seriousness, you know, there are some who have
classified the right to free expression with the idea that
Harvard will condone calls for violence against Jewish students. Let
me be clear, calls for violence or genocide against the
(21:31):
Jewish people and Jewish community, or any religious or ethnic
group are vile and have no place at Harvard, and
those who threaten our Jewish students will be held to account.
That's not what they were saying that day. And I
think we have the president of which president of oh
U Penn President Liz McGill is her name, saying that
(21:52):
she was not focused when I asked the question about genocide.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Listen, there was a moment during yesterday's congressional hearing on
anti Sidmotism when I was asked if a call for
the genocide of Jewish people on our campus would violate
our policies.
Speaker 16 (22:09):
In that moment, I was.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Focused on our university's long standing policies aligned with the
US Constitution, which say that speech.
Speaker 16 (22:18):
Alone is not punishable. I was not focused on but.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
I should have been the irrefutable fact that a call
for genocide of Jewish people is a call for some
of the most terrible violence human beings can perpetrate.
Speaker 16 (22:33):
It's evil, plain and simple.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
I want to be clear, a call for genocide of
Jewish people is threatening deeply so it is intentionally meant
to terrify a people who have been subjected to pogroms
and hatred for centuries and were the victims of mass
genocide in the Holocaust.
Speaker 16 (22:56):
In my view, it would be harassment or intimidation for decades.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Under multiple PEN presidents and consistent with most universities, Penn's
policies have been guided by the Constitution in the law.
In today's world, where we are seeing signs of hate
proliferating across our campus and our world in a way
not seen in years, these policies need to be clarified
and evaluated. PEN must initiate a serious and careful look
(23:22):
at our policies and provos. Jackson and I will immediately
convene a process to do so. As president, I'm committed
to a safe, secure and supportive environment so all members
of our community can thrive.
Speaker 16 (23:36):
We can and we will get this right. Thank you.
Speaker 8 (23:40):
So they're all pulling back, let me tell you why,
Because if you ever get to be a university president
at a prestigious university, that is a job that usually
pays a fortune. That is a job where you are
well taken care of. It is not the hardest job
in the world. Why do you think so many hippies
gravitated towards academia? Okay, what you teach three classes? You know,
(24:05):
it's it's pretty unbelievable, and you have to grade and
then you have student, you know, grad students doing most
of the work for you.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
It's not that hard.
Speaker 11 (24:14):
But to your point, she says, she's not focused, she's
not a pretty focus.
Speaker 8 (24:18):
To me, well, we've got the cut of Elish Deephonic,
who I thought did a fabulous job earlier in the week,
you know, with the presidents of MIT, Penn and Harvard
listen at MIT.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
Does calling for the genocide of Jews violate MIT's code
of conduct or rules regarding bullying harassment?
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Yes or no?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
If targeted at individuals not making public statements.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
If it is directed and severe or pervasive, it is harassment.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
So the answer is yes.
Speaker 16 (24:46):
It is a context dependent decision. Congresswoman anti Semitic rhetoric.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
And is it anti semitic rhetoric.
Speaker 16 (24:52):
Anti Semitic rhetoric.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
When it crosses into conduct that amounts to bullying, harassment, intimidation.
Speaker 16 (25:00):
Is actionable conduct, and we do take action.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
So the answer is yes, that calling for the genocide
of Jews violates Harvard Code of Conduct.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Correct.
Speaker 8 (25:11):
I mean, at least Aphonic got right to the bottom
of it. They refuse to call to say calling for
the genocide of Jews is bullying and harassment. Now pick
any other quote identity group. We talk about identity politics.
We talk about demographics all the time. Every poll is
broken down demographically between age and sex and race, et cetera. Okay,
(25:34):
what if somebody says this type of thing against any
other quote identity group fill in the blank. If they
make racist comments, misogynistic comments, homophobic comments, comments against LBGTQ,
or comments against transgenderism, or comments against Islam or deemed islamophobic,
(26:00):
what happens in those schools?
Speaker 1 (26:01):
They get kicked out.
Speaker 8 (26:03):
If you're a conservative, if your voice, you know, you're
wasting your time in most cases, if you try to
speak out, if you're a prominent conservative. I just gave
up on that notion, that idea many many years ago,
and when I was having Alan Dershwitz debating Cornell West
about this very issue. I wanted to bring that debate
to Havard and Havevid. Apparently he's not interested in that
(26:26):
kind of debate. And by the way, even if they
said yes, I don't think we'd be able to pull
it off because I think enough people would protest.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
It is just that this.
Speaker 8 (26:35):
Is repulsive, the fact that thirty one groups at Harvard
blamed Israel the victim for October the seventh, and it's
taken them this long and only when they're being pressured
by their big donors and they're worried about their big
trust funds and their endowments do they get concerned.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Unreal?
Speaker 8 (26:57):
All right, quick break right back to our phones. Eight
hundred and ninety Sean is our number. If you want
to be a part of the program. Let's get back
to our busy phones. Let's say hi to David in Seattle. David, Hi,
how are you?
Speaker 17 (27:08):
I'm good? Sean?
Speaker 1 (27:09):
How are you? I'm good? What's going on? Well?
Speaker 7 (27:11):
I just wanted to call and ask a question.
Speaker 17 (27:14):
About the Channel Hall you did the other night.
Speaker 7 (27:17):
I love you your show, thank you for everything you.
Speaker 17 (27:19):
Do, but I just had a question about the dictator question.
Speaker 7 (27:24):
I wanted to know why.
Speaker 8 (27:25):
I didn't I didn't ask the dictator question. I asked
the question was that? And I asked, the question is
because all over the media and I had a montage
that I played the medium mob was taking Donald Trump's
comments about retribution, I am your retribution, and they were
(27:45):
using that, do we and if you listen to it
in context, let's see, we can get a copy of that,
you know, if you listen to it in context. So
I was giving him an opportunity to clarify that basically
everything that had been done to him, and that's abusing
power to go after one person that when he said
I am your retribution, that's what he meant.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Let me play it for you, okay.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
In twenty sixteen, I declared I am your voice.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Today I add I am.
Speaker 7 (28:15):
Your warrior, I am your justice, And for those who
have been wronged and betrayed, I am.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Your retribution, I am your retribution.
Speaker 8 (28:25):
Not going to let this happen, Okay, So when you
put it in context, those of you who have been
wronged or betrayed, I think he's talking about unequal justice
under the law. But every media outlet almost you know
the reason I call him a mob because they're, like
one voice was attacking him and calling him a dictator.
(28:46):
So I said, mister President, will you tell the American
people tonight that you would not abuse any power in
quote seeking retribution? And he answered the question. I went
back for clarification on that question because the mob had
been attacking him and using his comments to say he
would be a dictator and giving him an opportunity to
(29:07):
fight back what against what I thought was extraordinarily ridiculously unfair,
And I thought he gave a very good answer just
for one day. I'm going to bring back energy independence
and I'm going to secure the border. But he said no,
he wouldn't. In his first comment initially was no, I'm
not going to treat people. Do you mean like the
way I was treated exactly?
Speaker 17 (29:26):
I thought that was a brilliant answer.
Speaker 8 (29:28):
So why would you be mad if I asked the question,
considering I didn't. Every news outlet was calling him a
dictator because of that that was in the news, but they.
Speaker 17 (29:37):
Also took what his answer the one day and now
they're running with it. And I just feel like, if
you wouldn't have even brought that subject up, they wouldn't
have ammunition today to run with even more of it.
Speaker 8 (29:50):
Or are the or did it prove that what he
was saying was very different than how they were categorizing
it and giving him a chance to clarify it. I
thought was important because I got sick and tired of
hearing what I knew to be a lie.
Speaker 17 (30:03):
I get okay, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
All right, I'm a professional. I do this, you know,
I do this for a living.
Speaker 7 (30:11):
I trust you, Hannity.
Speaker 8 (30:12):
I just no, I mean, there was There's definitely a
reason I brought it up.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I brought it up because I.
Speaker 8 (30:17):
Felt that the comment was being completely taken out of
context and as the media often does, and now they
want to use this narrative He's a dictator, dictator, dictator, dictator.
You know, imagine if conservatives said that about Obama or Joe. Anyway,
appreciate the call, my friend, eight hundred and nine to
four one, Sean, if you want to be a part
of the program, Ray in Florida, the Free State of Florida.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
What's going on?
Speaker 9 (30:39):
Ray?
Speaker 1 (30:39):
How are you good?
Speaker 3 (30:40):
How are you? Sean?
Speaker 1 (30:41):
I'm good? What's going on?
Speaker 3 (30:42):
During the town hall, President Trump made an interesting comment
about Haley and DeSantis. Does he really believe that they're
taking money from the Democrats?
Speaker 8 (30:53):
I don't. I'm not sure, to be honest. I mean,
my life's a whirlwind. I don't remember specifically what referring to.
But there have been allegations that Democratic donors are trying
to influence the Republican primary. But by the way, that's
kind of standard fare. It happens in every election cycle.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Really, I was very common looking at Nikky Haley as
a poeminent opponent for Trump, but I would say, curt
Down's thirty points with me. She's taking money from Hillary.
Speaker 8 (31:25):
You know, most of these campaigns, unless it's a really
nefarious group, they need money so bad they'll take it
from wherever they can get it. And a lot of times,
by the way, you really don't know who's behind the money.
You don't know because they have, you know, various layers
of protection to remain anonymous. And the laws governing donating
to campaigns is crazy, and it certainly needs to be
(31:47):
in my view, it needs to be fixed.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Well, I firally believe that you're one right, unless we
start ballot harvesting and stuff like that.
Speaker 8 (31:55):
Better gain that they have not gotten their act together,
and my patience is running out with the Republic of
a National Committee. It just this for President because I've
been saying it now for years and then not fixing it.
There's no excuse in my in my mind, eight hundred
ninety four one, Shawn or number if you want to
be a part of the program.
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