September 14, 2021 • 32 mins
Dr. Joel Zinberg, MD, JD, and a senior fellow with the Competitive Enterprise Institute, discusses the medical, legal, and policy implications of the vaccine mandates.
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Americo trapped behind enemy lines? Day number thirty one thirty
one our two Sean Hannity Show, eight hundred and nine
four one, Shaun is our number. You want to be
a part of the program. So today, September fourteenth is twelve,
the thirty first day America's Americans held hostage behind enemy lines.
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Still no definitive number from this this idiot Tony Blincoln,
who's just completely clueless. Way do you see the tape
we show you tonight on Hannity on the Fox News channel.
But it is California Recall Day out there. You know,
I guess, like everything else, there's always the reports about, okay,
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what's you know, what's going on in the ballots? Why
we can't get election integrity down pat When you think
of the level of sophistication that we have, let's let's
start with Silicon Valley and the brilliant minds that are
out there and voter ID, the signature verification, chain of
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custody controls, you know, very simple things, updated voter rolls,
partisan observers observing the vote count start to finish. Voting
has been going on for weeks and weeks. We're told
we probably won't know, have a winner called as even
tonight or tomorrow or the next day, because apparently ballots
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can be counted, you know. For However, nineteen days after
some absurd number, there was a report on KTLA Channel
five out in California about San Fernando Valley residents having
trouble casting recall ballots. Let's listen to this report. Issues
at the ballot box have left some voters confuse, even frustrated,
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especially after being told they already cast a vote in
the recall race. It makes me question the result, especially
when it relates to me and my wife's vote. Emont
Afshar and his wife say they went to vote in
person at the Disabled American Veterans seventy three polling location
in Woodland Hills Saturday, but the records showed they had
already voted, when in fact, their mail in ballots were
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still sealed unopened. I asked him, well, what's the solution.
He said, well, you can fill out a provisional ballot
and vote that way, and I told him I'm not
comfortable with that. I'd rather vote on the machines personally.
A similar scene playing out at ay different polling site
gave her this and she scanned it and said, you voted.
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I said, no, I haven't, and she said, this has
been happening all morning. All right, So there you go, shocking.
This is going to be now And this is what
I've been telling everybody that needs to be fixed immediately, Hannity,
what do we do? Well, the first thing is you've
got to make sure that election integrity measures are adopted
by your state legislatures so there's no shenanigans, we have
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integrity in the process, and so on and so forth.
There's got to be a means with all the mail
in balloting balloting to validate that the people that are
voting and getting the ballots are are also have to
provide some type of voter ID. Am I saying that
anything is going to happen or has happened out in California. No,
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I'm playing what KTLA is reporting. I'm not on the ground.
I don't know. But Leo two point zero Terrell is
Fox News contributor, civil rights attorney, and they made a
big deal. This is outrageous. We elect. I was watching
Biden just mumble, bumble and fumble in his speech today.
It was so freaking embarrassing. But he say, if you
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elect Larry Elder, you're electing Donald Trump. I'm like, no,
you're not not at all. I'll tell you, Sean, And
I'm not saying this in a pejorative towards Larry. I
love Larry. Larry is a great guy. I'm just saying
he's not Donald Trump. He's been more of a Libertarian
than anything else over the decades that I've known him
as a friend. You're absolutely right, Larry Elder is a
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libertarians as he is definitely the leader on the Republican
side as far as vote total. If we kick Gavin
Newson out, we will have a black Republican governor in
Larry Elder. But the Democrats have Donald Trump on the
brain shot. They are afraid of him, they fear him,
and any time they get a chance to mention his
name they do. And I'll tell you right now. They
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try to change the focus of this election claiming that
this is a quote Republican recall. No, one's not one
point seven million voters Democrats, independence, Republicans want Gavin Newsom out.
And I'll go out out front, Shawn and tell you
right now there is an election integrity issue. One month
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ago in a Torrance parking lot of a seven eleven,
a man with a gun, drug and three hundred unopened
recall ballots. Who is this guy? Has he been facing charges?
Why do you have three hundred ballots? You got twenty
two million ballots being mailed out, And I'll tell you
right now, I'm questioning election integrity because with twenty two
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million ballots going out to all so called registered voters
without the voter of roles being purged, Yes, there is
some shenanigans. And the Democrats loved the mail in ballots
because to me, it's corrupt and there's no election integrity.
So expect the word and you know what, I will
question the election results because of the shenanigans being played
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before and definitely after. You know, look, I have felt
that for the most important questions obviously begins with a
question one, do you want to recall Gavin Newsom? Here's
why I see it as a very difficult race for
any Republican to win, to reach that threshold where you
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keep Gavin below fifty percent of the vote. If he
gets us some fifty percent of the vote today, he's out.
He will be recalled as governor. Does he deserve it
absolutely for all the hypocrisy and high taxes and you know,
disastrous lack of science and forest management, the brownouts, his
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COVID double standards, his COVID hypocrisy, you know, paying people,
you know, giving people checks before the recall and after
the recall. I'm like, oh, okay where I grew up.
That's like pay to play for crying out loud. But
with all that said, when you look demographically, this state
has shifted solid, solid blue, and you've had a mass
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exodus for the first time in one hundred and seventy
one years, more people left California than when into California.
If you take a U haul out of California and
you go to Texas, you're paying about twenty five hundred bucks.
If you take that same U haul from Texas back
to California the exact same distance of the direction, you're
paying like three or four hundred bucks. And you're doing
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you haul of favor because they need the U hauls
in California. But people aren't leaving Texas. Yeah, yeah, Sean,
I'll tell you right now, everything you laid out about
Newsom is absolutely correct. He's a horrible governor. He's done
nothing right. And if you ask anyone who is supporting
Newsom what is he accomplished, they can't name anything. The
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state is horribly run, poorly run, but it's controlled by
the Democrats. I'll tell you right now, Sean, Yes, the
Poles favored Newsom tonight, but I'm praying I got my
fingers crossed. There is going to be a massive, massive,
same day voting, and those people are gonna go to
the vote and vote in person. I guarantee you those
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are yes on the recall and mad is what you're
hoping for, because even to get this thing on the ballot,
you need a Democrat support. And where Newsom pick winners
and losers during the COVID favor of his friends and
disadvantage small mom and pop stores, Both people are angry,
and I think there's a disconnect between the Democratic Italy
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and the rank of foul Democrats who have to earn
a living to get a job. One. Okay, I know
California knows a lot about earthquakes, which you got to
take seriously out there, but this would be a political earthquake.
You know, a nine to five minimum on the Richter scale.
Here's Biden out there with Newsom, you know, mumbling and
bumbling and fumbling and coughing his way through a so
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called speech, trying to attempt to call Larry Elder a
Trump clone. I'm not sure you know it, but if
you didn't know what you should because the decision you're
about to make, isn't this going to happen and you're
just going to have a huge impact on California. Meanwhile, meanwhile,
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we see something else in parts of Americas hitting about
public health. Children are required to be vaccinating, but now
in the midst of this pandemic, Look, folks, we don't
need politics this battle against COVID who lean and I apologize,
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Gavin will be a governor who will help us finish
the job. I'm gonna make this as simple as I can.
You either keep Gavin Newsom as your governor, or you'll
get Donald Trump, who has the courage to lee and Gavin.
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You have a governor who shares the state's value. Can
make this up. He just can't make this up, Leo,
you can't write this any better. He's got healthy. I'm
just gonna think that faith of that takes Joe Biden.
It's not healthy and shot one of the point. They
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must be worried. Why would Joe Biden fly on election
e to give that speech. Something's wrong, don't internal Pole
must be telling him something. But Joe Biden is not
healthy based on that tape, He's not. Quick break, we'll
go back out to California more with Leo two point
zh Terrell. It is Gavin Newsom Recall Day and we'll
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get the very latest from there. Also, your calls are
coming up. We have an update on COVID and the
mandated policies of Joe Biden a much more. All right,
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as we continue, Leo two point Z Terrell is out there.
It's it's California Recall Newsome Day out there, always hope
for the best. Look, anyone can have a rough day.
When I've been on the road and I've given lots
of speeches and you know, do books, signings and all this,
I mean, I'd be out in twelve cities in a week.
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Sometimes it's crazy. But that's not the situation with Joe.
Joe barely does anything. I mean, he's don't have an
average less than one item a day on his schedule
for crying out loud, and it's rough. It's rough every
day even when he meets the press, talks to the
press in the nation for fifteen minutes. He has a
rough He's never had a good day. Joe Bike's never
had a good day. It's always named one. Here's the thing.
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Name one thing? Is it? Borders? Is it? COVID? Is it?
His energy policy? Is it? Let's see Afghanistan and the
disaster that is there. Is it? His tax policies is it?
The inflation? Is it? The economy? Is a foreign policy?
In general? Name one thing Leo two point z Terrell.
One thing that he's done that you could say he's
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been successful at. He's in the same boat as Gavin Newsom.
Absolutely nothing. Fave team man would a mission to undo
all the good things of President Trump, and they have
created a disaster. Joe Biden has done nothing for this country.
In fact, he has hunt this country, simple as that,
just like Gavin Duse has hurt California. There are two
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peas at the potshot, there are two pias. But the
problem is people that would be inclined to vote Gavin out.
There's tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands now of
those people that have gotten the hell out of there,
and look as somebody that lived in California for five years.
I mean, you're not leaving because the weather's bad. You're
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not leaving because of the landscape. If you're leaving, it's
because the business business atmosphere has gotten so bad. Look
at I mean, look at what. You don't get arrested
if you steal less than a thousand dollars worth of
goods from a store, and then people are doing. Then
you've got the homeless situation. Then you've got oh, his
kids get to go to school in person, while the
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rest of California, their kids do not. He goes out
to fancy restaurants, the rest of California cannot. Businesses are
going belly up. You know. You look at the same
with summer Camp. For Gavin Newsom, I mean his winery
stays open. It's say he's such a hypocrite of an
incredible magnitude that he says I was wrong. I should
have thought more deeply about that. Okay, by the sixth defense,
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that doesn't fly anymore. He is protected by yes people.
He's Nancy Pelosi's golden boy, and he has destroyed this state.
And I'm telling you right now, this is a wake
up call is Sean. I have to given up hope
in California because Rick Renell, our friend, he got an
organization called Fixed California, and I'm telling you right now,
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we're gonna take California back step by step. Guys like
Rick Rnelle Trump supporters. This guy has a message and
we're trying to get this state back in order. It's
gonna take time, but nine point five, maybe you're a
better person than me. I've given up on New York.
I don't think New York is fixable because I don't
think there's enough conservatives in New York that are smart
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enough to vote out this this corruption that's Albany, New York,
and it's I just don't see it. Maybe it can happen,
maybe if it gets that bad, something will happen, But
but it's it's it's such a heavy lift. Why bother
you might if I'll go have nicer weather, pay no
state income tax, and head to the Carolina's, Florida, Texas, wherever,
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anywhere but here. I've kind of given up on the
New York's in California because Americans don't run and high
California salv I'm gonna run Listen, I'm guilty. I'm getting
the hell out of here. I'm gonna run and money
with me. Believe you're not going anywhere. You're gonna stick
it out, and I'm not. I am not gonna stick
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it out. It's you know, it's sixty two cents of
every dollar I make goes to government, sixty two cents.
And you know what, that type of message resonates with
people in New York. All that you're looking for. They're
looking for a leader, they're looking for someone who who
can relate to them. Okay, you want me to run
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for governor New York, wish me luck? Well, Sean, you
got governor or Senator I'll be out. And you got
Andrew Julietti, got Leezel. Then let's say, hell yeah they do.
They're both great guys. Uh you got Rob Asterno, he's
gonna get into two. What they gotta relate to the people,
That's what that's the magic of Trump. Trump resonate. People
have a bond beef. Politicians got to throw the old
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playbook out. They have to relate to the average citizens.
That is the charisma, the magic of Donald Trump. He
resonates with people. That's rare right, that's a rare formula. Listen,
I'm well gonna follow it. I'm trying to leave open
the hope that you're you're you're giving me here. I
want the people in California to fix their state. They
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have an opportunity today to do it. Leo two point
got a roll, Thank you, my friend, eight hundred nine
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RS scandal and the NSA atrocities convince you you need
a watchdog on Washington with insider sources. You need Hannity
every day twenty five to the top of the hour,
eight hundred and nine four one Sean, you want to
be a part of the program. Back to the Fauci mandates,
and you know Anthony Fauci now saying yeah, you're going
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to need to be vaccinated to use a commercial airplane.
Let us remind everyone that Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, let's
say Jensaki for shell Willlinski, the great doctor Faucci all
said it would never come to that. Listen, No, I
don't think you should be mandatory. I wouldn't demand to
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be mandatory. Perhaps the federal government should step in and
issue mandans and if not, are you putting the needs
of unvaccinated people ahead of the needs that vaccinated Well,
I think the question here one that's not the role
of the federal government. That is the role that institutions,
private sector entities, and others may take. We cannot require
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someone to be vaccinated. That's just not what we can do.
I am all for more vaccination, but you know, I
have nothing further to say on that except that we're
looking into those policies, and quite honestly, as people are
doing that locally, those are those are individual local decisions
as well. I don't think you'll ever see a mandating
of vaccine, particularly for the general public. Okay, so they're
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they're all saying no, no vaccine mandate, no vaccine mandates.
Well that's now changed, and they flipped, and they flopped
and they flailed. Now I still stay with my argument.
Take it seriously. Talk, you know, do your own research,
take into account your unique medical history, your current condition,
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talk to your doctor, your doctors, and then you've got
to make the decision that's right for you. But apparently
if you make the wrong decision, you're going to be
shut out of restaurants, shut out of sporting events, shut
out of concerts, shut out of even maybe your job,
and shut out of airplanes. Now, anyway, let's listen to
the great doctor Fauci saying the vaccine mandate to travel
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is being considered. It seems to me crazy that a
year and a half into that, you can still I
can still go on plane to Boston or California and
nobody's going to check me. Do you think that needs
to change? Well, that's only consideration. Certainly, I think that
if in fact it is seriously considered, it's on the table.
On the table that means it's going to probably happen.
That's my interpretation. And then you know, you see this
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now emerging organically in football stadiums all over the country,
both pro and college games, these chants of f Joe
Biden anyway, joining us to win. In on where this
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is headed is doctor Joel Zimberg, medical doctor and senior
fellow with the Competitive Enterprise Institute, discussing the medical legal
policy implications of these mandates. Doctor, thank you for being
with us. You've been a medical doctor for how long?
How longer than I care to admit On Live nineteen
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eighty one. So I like to have people on this program,
and some doctors I've agreed with and some I haven't,
because I want people to get his much information as
possible and then of course discuss everything with their own doctor.
I've been criticized doctor for not, you know, practicing medicine
without a license. I'll humbly admit that I don't feel
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qualified to tell people what to do, and I don't
find a very scientific that one size fits all medicine.
As I discussed, Am I wrong? Should I be telling
people what to do? No? No, you shouldn't be telling
people what to do any more than unfortunately the administration
feels it has to tell people what to do. And
you're in good company. You know, the administration and president
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have been criticizing Governors de Santis and Abbot while they
have been encouraging people to get vaccinated. So I don't
think you should. If I showed up in your office
and I was a new patient and I wanted to
get your insight and your advice on whether to get
the vaccine, I assume you would probably ask me a
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lot of questions about my medical history. Right, correct, Absolutely,
My current medic vaccines for most people are really the
right answer the vaccines are the most effective way of
preventing COVID and should you unfortunately get an infection anyway,
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they reduced the severity of the dizzy. So for most people,
that's the right answer. But the real question is who
should be telling people that. Should it be their physicians,
should it be their state and local governments who have
traditionally had the role of providing for public health, or
should it be the federal government which has never really
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had that role. And that's what you know the Biden
administration is doing now. They're they're getting the intruding into
various areas like the eviction moratorium and now this potential
emergency order that they're going to have for business requiring
businesses to vaccinate people where they have very limit, did
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if any legal authority to do so? Yeah? And are
there people that have rare conditions that would prevent them
from being a candidate to get to get the vaccination? Sir?
There are? I mean, you know, as you say, they're rare,
but there certainly are people who fall into that category.
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So I want to ask you this. Kamala Harris put
out a tweet and it got a lot of play
on the social media on social media forums. By vaccinating
the unvaccinated, increasing our testing and masking and protecting the vaccinated,
we can end this epidemic. My question when I when
I read that was isn't it what the vaccine they
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told us would do, which would be to protect it
would protect the vaccinated. Wasn't that the whole point of it? Yeah? Sure, yeah,
I mean I didn't she talking about that revaccinating the
vaccinated or vaccinating the unvaccinated. You say, by vaccinating the
unvaccinated with Vice President Art we can protect them. By
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vaccinating the unvaccinated, we can protect the vaccinated. And I'm like,
wasn't the point of the vaccine to protect you? And yeah, yeah, Well,
I mean, you know, there is this thread in some
of the advice coming out of the administration and out
of some of the agencies involved there that is really
kind of overzealousy. They're basing a lot of policies on
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the idea that even the vaccinated can become infected and
spread disease to other individuals, probably mostly unvaccinated people. But
the reality is the vaccines are still very good in
terms of protecting you against infection, and they're even better
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at protecting you against severe disease. So you know, when
we've seen that with the Delta variant, for example, a
large percentage of the population has both has an immunity,
either in the vaccine immunity or natural immunity. So your
chances of encountering someone who is infected and shedding the
virus is much lower than it used to be. And
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then if you are vaccinated, it's highly protective. So you
know they're letting sort of a very slim threat drive
all sorts of over zealous policies. Well, then let me
ask you this question, because when the Delta variant got
on the scene and its spread throughout the country as
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it has, we had the first of what it called
breakthrough cases and people that are fully vaccinated contracting COVID.
One of my best friends that happened too, and fully vaccinated,
by the way it was, and he went and he
got an infusion of a general within twenty four hours
and had the best ten days of his life because
he sent his family down to Florida and he went
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fishing every day and sent me pictures of all the
stripe bass. You caught. Anyway, so you got the Delta variant,
then we hear about the Peruvian lambda variant, now the
Mu variant, and I assume there's going to be variants
behind all these variants. Is there ever a point that
you worry that the vaccine is we're not only going
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to have just breakthrough cases, because you're absolutely right, if
you've been vaccinated, the data is showing, at least my
interpretation of it, that your risk of hospitalization and death
is greatly reduced. So my question is, do we get
to the point that maybe the vaccine is ineffective or
is that something that you don't believe would happen. Well, no,
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no one can tell you one hundred percent that that's
not going to happen. As long as the virus is circulating,
it will mutate, and there's always the possibility that it
can mutate in the form that makes it the vaccine
is much less effective. But that has not happened yet.
And you know, these new variants that you just meant,
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the lambda and the MEW are very very small percentage
of the cases in the us UH and it looks
like Delta has out competed it. And you know, we're
in in some ways at a very good spot because
nationwide the number of delta cases, hospitalizations and deaths have
peaked and starting to decline. There was still some hot spots,
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you know, places where it's it's continued, you know, we're
still on the upward slope or we're just about to peak.
But in the nation as a whole, and I'm including
places like Florida where you know, you know, where the
Biden administration has day after day knocked their efforts there,
they're on the downslope. So the good news is that
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the probably the most contagious of the variants to date,
UM is now on the downslope, so you know, and
we now surprising people who have immunity. So we only
put in a good place. Barring some unexpected variant that's
highly virulent, we are in a very good place as
a nation. Quick break, we'll come back and we'll continue
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more with doctor Joel Zimberg. Eight hundred nine four one
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Joel Zimberg, it's shocking to me that I'm not a doctor.
I'd recommend everybody talked to their own doctor again. But
you know, only for the first time last week did
Joe Biden ever. He'd never mentioned before monoclonal antibodies like
we're general and that shocked me. And then I have
this article from the Epic Times from and they quote
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doctor Robert Malone, who invented the mRNA vaccine technology that's
the Fiser Maderna shots, and he says that the first
of all, the headline is natural immunity, longer lasting protection
from COVID nineteen and vaccines, and he says the immunity
conferred by recovering from COVID is better than the protection
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afforded by the vaccines, and this is the prominent vaccine inventor,
and citing in part a recent study from Israel where
Fiser's COVID nineteen shot that if you had natural immunity,
you're more thirteen times more likely to contract DELTA with
the Fiser vaccination than if you had natural immunity. And
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it's been shown, he says in that paper and others
that the immune response in terms of T and B
cell memory populations is more diverse and more long lasting
then the immune response elicited by spike based vaccines alone.
And this is the inventor of this class of vaccines.
What are your thoughts on that? Well, look, we knew
even before the vaccines were available that the natural immunity
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was at least lasting for six months, and it was
seemed to be good in four different types of immunity.
And then you have situations like the Israeli study you're
referring to where and that was done during the delta
surge in Israel, where they showed that when you looked
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at people who were either infected or vaccinated at roughly
the same time that the vaccine, the vaccines were inferior
to natural immunity. And they also had people because of
course the COVID infections have been around much longer than
the vaccine, they had people who'd been infected much longer term,
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up to about ten to eleven months prior, and they
still had better protection than people who had vaccine immunity.
And that sort of it goes along with the study
out of the Cleveland Clinic, and that's done primarily in
the pre delta period. But I have a final question
only because of the constraints of time, doctor, something I
have to deal with and you don't. As a medical doctor,
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you take all the time you need. I don't have
an unlimited period of time. Would you recommend then, based
on that Cleveland study and based on this doctor Malone,
what about people? And I only have about fifteen seconds
for you'd answer, what about people that contracted COVID? You
recommend they get the vaccine? Again, like you, I would say,
speak to your doctor. That's clear that you can boost
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the immunity at least for a brief period by getting
an additional shot. And there are people who probably makes
a lot of sense for people who have amunosuppressing conditions,
people I have cancer or HIV. It's less clear that
it makes sense of the general population, which is by
the way, why you're seeing a lot of people from
the CDC and the FDA who objected to the plan
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that the President announced about a month ago to make
boosters available for all adults. You know, So it's not
so clear it works, and the data is not there
are not there yet, but it may make some sense
for certain people, and they should be speaking to their
doctor about getting it all right, doctor. We appreciate you
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being with us, and again I urge people take this
thing seriously. I've seen the worst of it. Talk to
your doctor based on your unique medical history and current condition. Doctor,
thank you for your input in your point of view.
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Still no definitive number from this this idiot Tony Blincoln,
who's just completely clueless. Way do you see the tape
we show you tonight on Hannity on the Fox News channel.
But it is California Recall Day out there. You know,
I guess, like everything else, there's always the reports about, okay,
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what's you know, what's going on in the ballots? Why
we can't get election integrity down pat When you think
of the level of sophistication that we have, let's let's
start with Silicon Valley and the brilliant minds that are
out there and voter ID, the signature verification, chain of
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custody controls, you know, very simple things, updated voter rolls,
partisan observers observing the vote count start to finish. Voting
has been going on for weeks and weeks. We're told
we probably won't know, have a winner called as even
tonight or tomorrow or the next day, because apparently ballots
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can be counted, you know. For However, nineteen days after
some absurd number, there was a report on KTLA Channel
five out in California about San Fernando Valley residents having
trouble casting recall ballots. Let's listen to this report. Issues
at the ballot box have left some voters confuse, even frustrated,
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especially after being told they already cast a vote in
the recall race. It makes me question the result, especially
when it relates to me and my wife's vote. Emont
Afshar and his wife say they went to vote in
person at the Disabled American Veterans seventy three polling location
in Woodland Hills Saturday, but the records showed they had
already voted, when in fact, their mail in ballots were
(02:15):
still sealed unopened. I asked him, well, what's the solution.
He said, well, you can fill out a provisional ballot
and vote that way, and I told him I'm not
comfortable with that. I'd rather vote on the machines personally.
A similar scene playing out at ay different polling site
gave her this and she scanned it and said, you voted.
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I said, no, I haven't, and she said, this has
been happening all morning. All right, So there you go, shocking.
This is going to be now And this is what
I've been telling everybody that needs to be fixed immediately, Hannity,
what do we do? Well, the first thing is you've
got to make sure that election integrity measures are adopted
by your state legislatures so there's no shenanigans, we have
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integrity in the process, and so on and so forth.
There's got to be a means with all the mail
in balloting balloting to validate that the people that are
voting and getting the ballots are are also have to
provide some type of voter ID. Am I saying that
anything is going to happen or has happened out in California. No,
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I'm playing what KTLA is reporting. I'm not on the ground.
I don't know. But Leo two point zero Terrell is
Fox News contributor, civil rights attorney, and they made a
big deal. This is outrageous. We elect. I was watching
Biden just mumble, bumble and fumble in his speech today.
It was so freaking embarrassing. But he say, if you
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elect Larry Elder, you're electing Donald Trump. I'm like, no,
you're not not at all. I'll tell you, Sean, And
I'm not saying this in a pejorative towards Larry. I
love Larry. Larry is a great guy. I'm just saying
he's not Donald Trump. He's been more of a Libertarian
than anything else over the decades that I've known him
as a friend. You're absolutely right, Larry Elder is a
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libertarians as he is definitely the leader on the Republican
side as far as vote total. If we kick Gavin
Newson out, we will have a black Republican governor in
Larry Elder. But the Democrats have Donald Trump on the
brain shot. They are afraid of him, they fear him,
and any time they get a chance to mention his
name they do. And I'll tell you right now. They
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try to change the focus of this election claiming that
this is a quote Republican recall. No, one's not one
point seven million voters Democrats, independence, Republicans want Gavin Newsom out.
And I'll go out out front, Shawn and tell you
right now there is an election integrity issue. One month
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ago in a Torrance parking lot of a seven eleven,
a man with a gun, drug and three hundred unopened
recall ballots. Who is this guy? Has he been facing charges?
Why do you have three hundred ballots? You got twenty
two million ballots being mailed out, And I'll tell you
right now, I'm questioning election integrity because with twenty two
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million ballots going out to all so called registered voters
without the voter of roles being purged, Yes, there is
some shenanigans. And the Democrats loved the mail in ballots
because to me, it's corrupt and there's no election integrity.
So expect the word and you know what, I will
question the election results because of the shenanigans being played
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before and definitely after. You know, look, I have felt
that for the most important questions obviously begins with a
question one, do you want to recall Gavin Newsom? Here's
why I see it as a very difficult race for
any Republican to win, to reach that threshold where you
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keep Gavin below fifty percent of the vote. If he
gets us some fifty percent of the vote today, he's out.
He will be recalled as governor. Does he deserve it
absolutely for all the hypocrisy and high taxes and you know,
disastrous lack of science and forest management, the brownouts, his
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COVID double standards, his COVID hypocrisy, you know, paying people,
you know, giving people checks before the recall and after
the recall. I'm like, oh, okay where I grew up.
That's like pay to play for crying out loud. But
with all that said, when you look demographically, this state
has shifted solid, solid blue, and you've had a mass
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exodus for the first time in one hundred and seventy
one years, more people left California than when into California.
If you take a U haul out of California and
you go to Texas, you're paying about twenty five hundred bucks.
If you take that same U haul from Texas back
to California the exact same distance of the direction, you're
paying like three or four hundred bucks. And you're doing
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you haul of favor because they need the U hauls
in California. But people aren't leaving Texas. Yeah, yeah, Sean,
I'll tell you right now, everything you laid out about
Newsom is absolutely correct. He's a horrible governor. He's done
nothing right. And if you ask anyone who is supporting
Newsom what is he accomplished, they can't name anything. The
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state is horribly run, poorly run, but it's controlled by
the Democrats. I'll tell you right now, Sean, Yes, the
Poles favored Newsom tonight, but I'm praying I got my
fingers crossed. There is going to be a massive, massive,
same day voting, and those people are gonna go to
the vote and vote in person. I guarantee you those
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are yes on the recall and mad is what you're
hoping for, because even to get this thing on the ballot,
you need a Democrat support. And where Newsom pick winners
and losers during the COVID favor of his friends and
disadvantage small mom and pop stores, Both people are angry,
and I think there's a disconnect between the Democratic Italy
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and the rank of foul Democrats who have to earn
a living to get a job. One. Okay, I know
California knows a lot about earthquakes, which you got to
take seriously out there, but this would be a political earthquake.
You know, a nine to five minimum on the Richter scale.
Here's Biden out there with Newsom, you know, mumbling and
bumbling and fumbling and coughing his way through a so
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called speech, trying to attempt to call Larry Elder a
Trump clone. I'm not sure you know it, but if
you didn't know what you should because the decision you're
about to make, isn't this going to happen and you're
just going to have a huge impact on California. Meanwhile, meanwhile,
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we see something else in parts of Americas hitting about
public health. Children are required to be vaccinating, but now
in the midst of this pandemic, Look, folks, we don't
need politics this battle against COVID who lean and I apologize,
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Gavin will be a governor who will help us finish
the job. I'm gonna make this as simple as I can.
You either keep Gavin Newsom as your governor, or you'll
get Donald Trump, who has the courage to lee and Gavin.
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You have a governor who shares the state's value. Can
make this up. He just can't make this up, Leo,
you can't write this any better. He's got healthy. I'm
just gonna think that faith of that takes Joe Biden.
It's not healthy and shot one of the point. They
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must be worried. Why would Joe Biden fly on election
e to give that speech. Something's wrong, don't internal Pole
must be telling him something. But Joe Biden is not
healthy based on that tape, He's not. Quick break, we'll
go back out to California more with Leo two point
zh Terrell. It is Gavin Newsom Recall Day and we'll
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get the very latest from there. Also, your calls are
coming up. We have an update on COVID and the
mandated policies of Joe Biden a much more. All right,
(10:43):
as we continue, Leo two point Z Terrell is out there.
It's it's California Recall Newsome Day out there, always hope
for the best. Look, anyone can have a rough day.
When I've been on the road and I've given lots
of speeches and you know, do books, signings and all this,
I mean, I'd be out in twelve cities in a week.
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Sometimes it's crazy. But that's not the situation with Joe.
Joe barely does anything. I mean, he's don't have an
average less than one item a day on his schedule
for crying out loud, and it's rough. It's rough every
day even when he meets the press, talks to the
press in the nation for fifteen minutes. He has a
rough He's never had a good day. Joe Bike's never
had a good day. It's always named one. Here's the thing.
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Name one thing? Is it? Borders? Is it? COVID? Is it?
His energy policy? Is it? Let's see Afghanistan and the
disaster that is there. Is it? His tax policies is it?
The inflation? Is it? The economy? Is a foreign policy?
In general? Name one thing Leo two point z Terrell.
One thing that he's done that you could say he's
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been successful at. He's in the same boat as Gavin Newsom.
Absolutely nothing. Fave team man would a mission to undo
all the good things of President Trump, and they have
created a disaster. Joe Biden has done nothing for this country.
In fact, he has hunt this country, simple as that,
just like Gavin Duse has hurt California. There are two
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peas at the potshot, there are two pias. But the
problem is people that would be inclined to vote Gavin out.
There's tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands now of
those people that have gotten the hell out of there,
and look as somebody that lived in California for five years.
I mean, you're not leaving because the weather's bad. You're
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not leaving because of the landscape. If you're leaving, it's
because the business business atmosphere has gotten so bad. Look
at I mean, look at what. You don't get arrested
if you steal less than a thousand dollars worth of
goods from a store, and then people are doing. Then
you've got the homeless situation. Then you've got oh, his
kids get to go to school in person, while the
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rest of California, their kids do not. He goes out
to fancy restaurants, the rest of California cannot. Businesses are
going belly up. You know. You look at the same
with summer Camp. For Gavin Newsom, I mean his winery
stays open. It's say he's such a hypocrite of an
incredible magnitude that he says I was wrong. I should
have thought more deeply about that. Okay, by the sixth defense,
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that doesn't fly anymore. He is protected by yes people.
He's Nancy Pelosi's golden boy, and he has destroyed this state.
And I'm telling you right now, this is a wake
up call is Sean. I have to given up hope
in California because Rick Renell, our friend, he got an
organization called Fixed California, and I'm telling you right now,
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we're gonna take California back step by step. Guys like
Rick Rnelle Trump supporters. This guy has a message and
we're trying to get this state back in order. It's
gonna take time, but nine point five, maybe you're a
better person than me. I've given up on New York.
I don't think New York is fixable because I don't
think there's enough conservatives in New York that are smart
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enough to vote out this this corruption that's Albany, New York,
and it's I just don't see it. Maybe it can happen,
maybe if it gets that bad, something will happen, But
but it's it's it's such a heavy lift. Why bother
you might if I'll go have nicer weather, pay no
state income tax, and head to the Carolina's, Florida, Texas, wherever,
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anywhere but here. I've kind of given up on the
New York's in California because Americans don't run and high
California salv I'm gonna run Listen, I'm guilty. I'm getting
the hell out of here. I'm gonna run and money
with me. Believe you're not going anywhere. You're gonna stick
it out, and I'm not. I am not gonna stick
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it out. It's you know, it's sixty two cents of
every dollar I make goes to government, sixty two cents.
And you know what, that type of message resonates with
people in New York. All that you're looking for. They're
looking for a leader, they're looking for someone who who
can relate to them. Okay, you want me to run
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for governor New York, wish me luck? Well, Sean, you
got governor or Senator I'll be out. And you got
Andrew Julietti, got Leezel. Then let's say, hell yeah they do.
They're both great guys. Uh you got Rob Asterno, he's
gonna get into two. What they gotta relate to the people,
That's what that's the magic of Trump. Trump resonate. People
have a bond beef. Politicians got to throw the old
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playbook out. They have to relate to the average citizens.
That is the charisma, the magic of Donald Trump. He
resonates with people. That's rare right, that's a rare formula. Listen,
I'm well gonna follow it. I'm trying to leave open
the hope that you're you're you're giving me here. I
want the people in California to fix their state. They
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have an opportunity today to do it. Leo two point
got a roll, Thank you, my friend, eight hundred nine
suns her number quick break right back. Didn't the i
(16:23):
RS scandal and the NSA atrocities convince you you need
a watchdog on Washington with insider sources. You need Hannity
every day twenty five to the top of the hour,
eight hundred and nine four one Sean, you want to
be a part of the program. Back to the Fauci mandates,
and you know Anthony Fauci now saying yeah, you're going
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to need to be vaccinated to use a commercial airplane.
Let us remind everyone that Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, let's
say Jensaki for shell Willlinski, the great doctor Faucci all
said it would never come to that. Listen, No, I
don't think you should be mandatory. I wouldn't demand to
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be mandatory. Perhaps the federal government should step in and
issue mandans and if not, are you putting the needs
of unvaccinated people ahead of the needs that vaccinated Well,
I think the question here one that's not the role
of the federal government. That is the role that institutions,
private sector entities, and others may take. We cannot require
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someone to be vaccinated. That's just not what we can do.
I am all for more vaccination, but you know, I
have nothing further to say on that except that we're
looking into those policies, and quite honestly, as people are
doing that locally, those are those are individual local decisions
as well. I don't think you'll ever see a mandating
of vaccine, particularly for the general public. Okay, so they're
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they're all saying no, no vaccine mandate, no vaccine mandates.
Well that's now changed, and they flipped, and they flopped
and they flailed. Now I still stay with my argument.
Take it seriously. Talk, you know, do your own research,
take into account your unique medical history, your current condition,
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talk to your doctor, your doctors, and then you've got
to make the decision that's right for you. But apparently
if you make the wrong decision, you're going to be
shut out of restaurants, shut out of sporting events, shut
out of concerts, shut out of even maybe your job,
and shut out of airplanes. Now, anyway, let's listen to
the great doctor Fauci saying the vaccine mandate to travel
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is being considered. It seems to me crazy that a
year and a half into that, you can still I
can still go on plane to Boston or California and
nobody's going to check me. Do you think that needs
to change? Well, that's only consideration. Certainly, I think that
if in fact it is seriously considered, it's on the table.
On the table that means it's going to probably happen.
That's my interpretation. And then you know, you see this
(18:59):
now emerging organically in football stadiums all over the country,
both pro and college games, these chants of f Joe
Biden anyway, joining us to win. In on where this
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is headed is doctor Joel Zimberg, medical doctor and senior
fellow with the Competitive Enterprise Institute, discussing the medical legal
policy implications of these mandates. Doctor, thank you for being
with us. You've been a medical doctor for how long?
How longer than I care to admit On Live nineteen
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eighty one. So I like to have people on this program,
and some doctors I've agreed with and some I haven't,
because I want people to get his much information as
possible and then of course discuss everything with their own doctor.
I've been criticized doctor for not, you know, practicing medicine
without a license. I'll humbly admit that I don't feel
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qualified to tell people what to do, and I don't
find a very scientific that one size fits all medicine.
As I discussed, Am I wrong? Should I be telling
people what to do? No? No, you shouldn't be telling
people what to do any more than unfortunately the administration
feels it has to tell people what to do. And
you're in good company. You know, the administration and president
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have been criticizing Governors de Santis and Abbot while they
have been encouraging people to get vaccinated. So I don't
think you should. If I showed up in your office
and I was a new patient and I wanted to
get your insight and your advice on whether to get
the vaccine, I assume you would probably ask me a
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lot of questions about my medical history. Right, correct, Absolutely,
My current medic vaccines for most people are really the
right answer the vaccines are the most effective way of
preventing COVID and should you unfortunately get an infection anyway,
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they reduced the severity of the dizzy. So for most people,
that's the right answer. But the real question is who
should be telling people that. Should it be their physicians,
should it be their state and local governments who have
traditionally had the role of providing for public health, or
should it be the federal government which has never really
(21:39):
had that role. And that's what you know the Biden
administration is doing now. They're they're getting the intruding into
various areas like the eviction moratorium and now this potential
emergency order that they're going to have for business requiring
businesses to vaccinate people where they have very limit, did
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if any legal authority to do so? Yeah? And are
there people that have rare conditions that would prevent them
from being a candidate to get to get the vaccination? Sir?
There are? I mean, you know, as you say, they're rare,
but there certainly are people who fall into that category.
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So I want to ask you this. Kamala Harris put
out a tweet and it got a lot of play
on the social media on social media forums. By vaccinating
the unvaccinated, increasing our testing and masking and protecting the vaccinated,
we can end this epidemic. My question when I when
I read that was isn't it what the vaccine they
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told us would do, which would be to protect it
would protect the vaccinated. Wasn't that the whole point of it? Yeah? Sure, yeah,
I mean I didn't she talking about that revaccinating the
vaccinated or vaccinating the unvaccinated. You say, by vaccinating the
unvaccinated with Vice President Art we can protect them. By
(23:08):
vaccinating the unvaccinated, we can protect the vaccinated. And I'm like,
wasn't the point of the vaccine to protect you? And yeah, yeah, Well,
I mean, you know, there is this thread in some
of the advice coming out of the administration and out
of some of the agencies involved there that is really
kind of overzealousy. They're basing a lot of policies on
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the idea that even the vaccinated can become infected and
spread disease to other individuals, probably mostly unvaccinated people. But
the reality is the vaccines are still very good in
terms of protecting you against infection, and they're even better
(23:53):
at protecting you against severe disease. So you know, when
we've seen that with the Delta variant, for example, a
large percentage of the population has both has an immunity,
either in the vaccine immunity or natural immunity. So your
chances of encountering someone who is infected and shedding the
virus is much lower than it used to be. And
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then if you are vaccinated, it's highly protective. So you
know they're letting sort of a very slim threat drive
all sorts of over zealous policies. Well, then let me
ask you this question, because when the Delta variant got
on the scene and its spread throughout the country as
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it has, we had the first of what it called
breakthrough cases and people that are fully vaccinated contracting COVID.
One of my best friends that happened too, and fully vaccinated,
by the way it was, and he went and he
got an infusion of a general within twenty four hours
and had the best ten days of his life because
he sent his family down to Florida and he went
(24:56):
fishing every day and sent me pictures of all the
stripe bass. You caught. Anyway, so you got the Delta variant,
then we hear about the Peruvian lambda variant, now the
Mu variant, and I assume there's going to be variants
behind all these variants. Is there ever a point that
you worry that the vaccine is we're not only going
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to have just breakthrough cases, because you're absolutely right, if
you've been vaccinated, the data is showing, at least my
interpretation of it, that your risk of hospitalization and death
is greatly reduced. So my question is, do we get
to the point that maybe the vaccine is ineffective or
is that something that you don't believe would happen. Well, no,
(25:39):
no one can tell you one hundred percent that that's
not going to happen. As long as the virus is circulating,
it will mutate, and there's always the possibility that it
can mutate in the form that makes it the vaccine
is much less effective. But that has not happened yet.
And you know, these new variants that you just meant,
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the lambda and the MEW are very very small percentage
of the cases in the us UH and it looks
like Delta has out competed it. And you know, we're
in in some ways at a very good spot because
nationwide the number of delta cases, hospitalizations and deaths have
peaked and starting to decline. There was still some hot spots,
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you know, places where it's it's continued, you know, we're
still on the upward slope or we're just about to peak.
But in the nation as a whole, and I'm including
places like Florida where you know, you know, where the
Biden administration has day after day knocked their efforts there,
they're on the downslope. So the good news is that
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the probably the most contagious of the variants to date,
UM is now on the downslope, so you know, and
we now surprising people who have immunity. So we only
put in a good place. Barring some unexpected variant that's
highly virulent, we are in a very good place as
a nation. Quick break, we'll come back and we'll continue
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more with doctor Joel Zimberg. Eight hundred nine four one
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Joel Zimberg, it's shocking to me that I'm not a doctor.
I'd recommend everybody talked to their own doctor again. But
you know, only for the first time last week did
Joe Biden ever. He'd never mentioned before monoclonal antibodies like
we're general and that shocked me. And then I have
this article from the Epic Times from and they quote
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doctor Robert Malone, who invented the mRNA vaccine technology that's
the Fiser Maderna shots, and he says that the first
of all, the headline is natural immunity, longer lasting protection
from COVID nineteen and vaccines, and he says the immunity
conferred by recovering from COVID is better than the protection
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afforded by the vaccines, and this is the prominent vaccine inventor,
and citing in part a recent study from Israel where
Fiser's COVID nineteen shot that if you had natural immunity,
you're more thirteen times more likely to contract DELTA with
the Fiser vaccination than if you had natural immunity. And
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it's been shown, he says in that paper and others
that the immune response in terms of T and B
cell memory populations is more diverse and more long lasting
then the immune response elicited by spike based vaccines alone.
And this is the inventor of this class of vaccines.
What are your thoughts on that? Well, look, we knew
even before the vaccines were available that the natural immunity
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was at least lasting for six months, and it was
seemed to be good in four different types of immunity.
And then you have situations like the Israeli study you're
referring to where and that was done during the delta
surge in Israel, where they showed that when you looked
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at people who were either infected or vaccinated at roughly
the same time that the vaccine, the vaccines were inferior
to natural immunity. And they also had people because of
course the COVID infections have been around much longer than
the vaccine, they had people who'd been infected much longer term,
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up to about ten to eleven months prior, and they
still had better protection than people who had vaccine immunity.
And that sort of it goes along with the study
out of the Cleveland Clinic, and that's done primarily in
the pre delta period. But I have a final question
only because of the constraints of time, doctor, something I
have to deal with and you don't. As a medical doctor,
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you take all the time you need. I don't have
an unlimited period of time. Would you recommend then, based
on that Cleveland study and based on this doctor Malone,
what about people? And I only have about fifteen seconds
for you'd answer, what about people that contracted COVID? You
recommend they get the vaccine? Again, like you, I would say,
speak to your doctor. That's clear that you can boost
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the immunity at least for a brief period by getting
an additional shot. And there are people who probably makes
a lot of sense for people who have amunosuppressing conditions,
people I have cancer or HIV. It's less clear that
it makes sense of the general population, which is by
the way, why you're seeing a lot of people from
the CDC and the FDA who objected to the plan
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that the President announced about a month ago to make
boosters available for all adults. You know, So it's not
so clear it works, and the data is not there
are not there yet, but it may make some sense
for certain people, and they should be speaking to their
doctor about getting it all right, doctor. We appreciate you
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being with us, and again I urge people take this
thing seriously. I've seen the worst of it. Talk to
your doctor based on your unique medical history and current condition. Doctor,
thank you for your input in your point of view.
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