Victory Lap for Project Veritas

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, Thanks Scott Shannon, and thanks to all of
you for being with us. Happy Friday. Right down our
toll free telephone number. We'd love to have you join us.
It's eight hundred, it's nine for one, Sean if I'm
all plenty of time for calls today. Big win in
the New York Supreme Court by Project Veritas and James O'Keefe.

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I mean, this is huge in terms of the case
and the court decision showing that there actually is a
case to be made for malice. It's such a high
bar if you're a public figure. And yeah, and I
lived this life every day, people can pretty much say
anything they want about me and get away with it

(00:44):
because you have to prove reckless disregard actual malice based
on a landmark Supreme Court case, New York Times versus Sullivan.
And that this case will now move forward into the
discovery phase. As a result of this court ruling, this
is now the second loss in a row for the

(01:05):
New York Times. I have to talk to my lawyers again.
It's time. But anyway, thanks for being with us. Very interesting,
it's funny. How so last night on Hannity we run
these pictures from the Daily Mail. I have been briefed
by sources that Hunter's laptop it's only the beginning. Now.

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There was the Bob Olynsky interview that took place on
Fox with Tucker, and then we interviewed the repair store owner,
Isaac mack is his name, great guy, and he was
so alarmed by what he saw on Hunter's laptop that
he alerted the FBI about it. And I have been

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briefed by people that I trust, sources that I trust completely,
that have actually seen the contents of what's on Hunter's laptop.
And besides the things that we already know about, you know,
putting ten aside for the big guy, and the pictures
that we first saw a Hunter laying in bed with

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a crack pipe in his mouth, etc. Than the pictures
that were released by The Daily Mail yesterday, I'm told
that there's even a lot more. Let's put it this way.
I've only been told by my lawyers because I wanted
to take possession of a copy that's even been offered
to me, and that I've been told legally I cannot

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without putting myself in legal jeopardy based on the contents
that sources tell me are on the laptop. I mean, okay,
so the question is remember this, think of the impact
this had in the lead up to the twenty twenty election,
Big Tech made the decision they did not want to
cover thee They weren't even gonna go with the reporting

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of The New York Post, America's fourth largest newspaper. New
York Post has never act off its story at all,
not one iota. And for all of Hunter's interviews that
he's been giving, I'm not sure if it's my laptop. Well,
we already know that Hunter's lawyer went back to the
repair shop and said'd like to get hunters laptops back,

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And if you look at the signatures, it's pretty obvious
seems that it's Hunter's laptop. But what was interesting that
Daily Mail is a fascinating website. If you haven't been
there much, it really is. I mean there's so much stuff, Linda,
have you ever noticed when you go to the Daily Mail?
I mean they've got the lead stories and then they
have like a million sidebar stories. There's so much content

(03:38):
on the Daily Mail. It's a lot. You get sucked
you get sucked in. I get sucked in every time.
A lot of it though, is about famous people that
I don't know who they are. Yeah. Well, yeah, you
and I both are probably guilty of not knowing a
lot or following a lot about pop culture. But there's
there's enough there that there's something that's going to interest you.
I a promise you or hit your curiosity that he

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bone in some way that doesn't happen to you. Oh
for sure, it does. Like TMZ is the same thing
they always It's like they suck in and I try
not to get lost because I want to be focused
and on the things that we're going to be discussing
on this program every day and put the best show
on the air as possible. You know, it's one of
the reasons. And i'll get into this with James O'Keefe
later when he joins us with this huge decision by

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the New York Supreme Court, is that, you know, it's
it does at times get very very frustrating, because if
you're a public figure and you have this high bar
that when somebody lies about you and they do so,
and you know they do it purposefully, and they totally
completely utterly distort what you're saying, and they're slandering you,
and they're libeling you and smearing you and besmirching you.

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I get a part of it is it's in the
job description, in terms of my chosen profession here. But
then there's another part of me. You get sick and
tired of being lied about, and a part of me
does want stuff fight back. The problem for me is
is that when you get engaged in any of these

(05:07):
these legal tie ups, and it's a strategy the Left
uses on top of the threat of boycott strategy and
cancel culture strategy and wokeness strategies, and you know, recording
every second, every minute of every hour of every broadcast
day for the last, however many decades of my life,
and people get paid to sit in their basement in
their underwear, and literally their job that they get paid

(05:31):
for is to listen to this show and the hopes
that they can distort something, slice dice, or take a
word or a sentence or a phrase out of context
and say Hannity said this in the hopes of getting
me canceled, boycotted whatever, because they just don't like my
point of view and they just don't believe in freedom
and liberty and differing viewpoints and the free and open

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exchange of ideas and ideals and opinions, and I do.
That's why I don't support boycotts. But anyway, I digress.
But if you get involved in a lawsuit, it ends
up taking away too much of my time and energy.
And then you've got the discovery phase, then you got
the deposition phase, then you got the court dates, then

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you got as soon as I get involved in that mess,
now I'm taking my eye off the ball, which is
I want to be on the air. You give me
these air waves three hours a day, every day, and
I want to do the best job i'm capable of doing.
I owe that to every one of you that listen
every day, and I owe that on television every night,
and I take that responsibility. I don't take myself seriously,

(06:38):
but I take my work seriously, and we do work
hard at what we do, and we want to put
on the best show as we can and give you
information we know you're not going to get elsewhere. And
I think that's been a big part of the reason
for the success of the show. And you put your
faith and confidence in us, so I don't I don't
like to take my eye off the ball. I don't

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want to be distry acted, and I've learned to kind
of filter all this out and compartmentalize it away. And
I do know that many colleagues of mine they're just
incapable of doing it, and one bad negative word or
article and they just melt like alka seltzer and water.
And I'm like, man, you gotta toughen up if you're

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gonna be in this business, because you're gonna get hit
I mean, as part of the job description. You know,
you give your opinions, you're going to get hit back.
I'm way beyond the point of really caring at this point. Now.
There are times that does frustrate me because you know
it's you know it's slander. You know it's libel. You

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know that it's just completely made up and untrue, and
you know, you just kind of roll with the punches
a little bit. But then there are times you just
want to fight back. Anyway. Now, the UK Dailymail back
to Hunter his laptop from Hell, published photos of him.
You know, we saw the picture of him with the
crack pipe in his mouth and him telling the story

(08:03):
of his book that he's apparently digging through the carpets
and hotels looking for maybe little little pieces of crack
that fell in the carpet. And he thinks he smoked
more parmesan cheese than anyone on the planet. I mean,
that's insane. One was you know, some of the pictures
were with women, not particularly if the last name were Trump.

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I think this would be a much bigger story with
the media mob Big tech of course, hid the whole
story before the election. And then you got a picture
with what they call meth mouth. If you do enough
of this, these drugs, they just destroy your teeth. That
looked like that, and the picture that the Daily Mail
printed and based on his own admission of being a

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drug addict, but enough to shock the conscience. But there's
more to come, and that's the story. The Daily Mail
is promising more to come now based on my sources,
which I'll never reveal as a member of the press,
and what I've been told does exist, haven't seen, but
I've been told by people. I believe that the more

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to come is bad, really bad. Hunter not only used
the laptop to videotape a lot of the stuff posing
for these pictures and videos, etc. Etc. The Daily Mali
used their words, they said, you know how Hunter blew
hundreds of thousands on prostitutes, drugs, luxury cars, leaving him

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scrambling to avoid jail for three twenty grand and unpaid taxes.
How five members of the Biden family have been to
rehab for drug alcohol abuse, and a stunning admission by
Joe to his son the other Biden family member planning
to buy and cook crack after you know, falling into
the disastrous addiction apparently with Hunter and Hunter's unconventional, unlikely

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relationship with a well known psychiatrist, the whispered bedroom conversation.
You know, just it's just it's it's kind of tawdry,
and it is tabloidy, all the above. But there's another
legal aspect of this which which I find interesting. And
you know, when you add, for example, things that have

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been confirmed publicly by Rudy Giuliani, who according to reports,
has a copy of this describe the most explosive laptop contents,
and he did it before the November election. I'm not
going to repeat them here because I think over time
it's is going to come out on its own, and
I'll let I'll let that process unfold on its own.

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Jonathan Turley, though, makes a great point today in light
of these adventures, and you know, in light of Joe
Biden bypassing Congress unconstitutionally of coequal branch of government. But
he points out that Biden is announcing yesterday unilateral gun
control measures in the in the Rose Garden based on

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some lies. He even got caught lying again. We're going
to now begin to chronicle all of Joe's lies. But
what is notable is with all of this the inclusion
of a provision that relates directly to the allegations raised
against Hunter Biden, and frankly, his admission in one of
these interviews, Oh yeah, yeah, my girlfriend. I guess it

(11:20):
was the wife of his brother that he was dating
at the time that he urged Joe to put a
seal of approval on Joe apparently resistant towards the idea,
but did it anyway, But the idea, you know, oh yeah,
she I told her, you can't throw it in the garbage.
That's not the problem. Possible federal felonies, you know, inasmuch
as blacked out by recent media coverage, and Biden is

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giving the Justice Department a sixty day period to develop
a model of what they call red flagged legislation that
would allow friends, family members to identify an individual as
a potential danger, thereby temporarily preventing the person from accessing firearm. Well,
that could well be called the Hunter Biden law, since

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he acquired this handgun despite his long standing drug and
alcohol abuse, and in twenty eighteen when that gun was
tossed into the trash bin by the widow of his
deceased brother. After the death of his brother, he began
this relationship with the wife of his brother then wife

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now I guess you could say deceased brother. He began
this relationship, apparently became concerned about what to do with
the gun. Apparently they lied on the gun application about
his previous drug use. Now Turley's right in all of this.
In many ways, her action reflected the need for such laws,

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he points out. But in desperation, she throws the gun
away in a garbage bin close to a school to
get the revolver back. Biden answered no on the firearms
transaction record that asked whether he was an unlawful user
of or addicted to narcotic drugs or any other controlled substances,

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and lying on a federal form would lead to the
prosecution under several provisions. The US Code makes it a
crime punishable by up to ten years in prison if
you make false, fictitious, oral, or written statements to obtain firearms.
I guess only if your last name would be Hannity
or Stone or Manaphort or Flynn or Papadopoulos, get my

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point or Trump, i'd ask predicted. Joe Biden has ordered
a study on packing the United States Supreme Court executive
order to form a commission to study reforms to the court.
It was interesting. Justice Bryer this week said, yeah, bad idea.
You will be It'll be viewed as politicizing the court

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and people no longer have faith and trust and integral
and that supposedly other branch of government that we often
use when there are conflicting issues with the executive and
legislative branches. And he's right. I can't believe I'm saying that,
but he is. Biden now wants to expand the size

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of the High Court, and the thirty six member commission
will be bipartisan, we are told. I doubt it. They'll
whole public meetings to evaluate court reforms. They will have
one hundred and eighty days to report their recommendations. This
is called court packing, that's what it's called. It's a

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bad idea and expanding it anyway, we'll see what happens.
We already know what they're what they want. We know
that their quests, their thirst for unbridled power is matched
by nobody, which is why they're I think we're expected
next week is when they're going to have their vote
on DC statehood. Something you're gonna want to get in

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touch with your are probably your congressman and senators about
now the issue. Multiple governors, by the way, are speaking out,
and then good for them. I'll tell you where the
battle is going to be fought in the courts by
the state's attorneys general, which is why we've been putting
a lot of them on this program, because they are
saying they're not going to put up with Biden's Second

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Amendment attack because it's out of control. And you got
the Alaska governor saying these actions won't save lives or
stop criminals with only disarm law abiding citizens. Christy Nome,
same thing, the Idaho governor Brad Little, same thing. We
have Governor Doucy out in Arizona, same thing, and so

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many others say they're not going to put up with it.
And you know, by the way the infrastructure talks are
off to a rocky start. Yeah, that means that nobody
wants to pay three trillion dollars and then raise taxes
four trillion. Quick break right back. A lot more news
on the other side, all right, twenty five to the
top of the hour. A lot of calls coming up

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from you today. Eight hundred nine four one Sean. You
want to know one of the dumber ideas that I've
heard in a long time. That would be Apple CEO
Tim Cook. He should stick to what he does best,
wanting people to be able to vote on their iPhones.
I think we're probably all having the wrong conversation on
voting rights. We should be talking about using technology. How

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can we make it so simple that our voting participation
gets to a hundred or it gets really close to
one hundred, Maybe maybe we get in the nineties or something.
It's pretty arcane, certainly, But when you introduce technology into
voting when it's already fraught with accusations of fraud, sort
of a really troublesome stew Politically speaking, I'm not sure

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it may answer some of the issues. It may be
something that is so different than the current So voting
on phones, is that what you're talking about? You know,
I would dream of that because I think that's where
we live. We do our banking on phones, we have
our health data on phones. We have more information on

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a phone about us than is in our houses. And
so why not why not how do we know who's
actually voting on the phone. Just a little integrity issue,
and how do you have confidence in the results of
such I know, maybe I'm just a little too suspicious
in my old age that you know, I actually think

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people would try to use a system like that to cheat,
and we do need integrity and confidence in the results
of our elections. By the way, we'll talk to the
Secretary of State of Ohio. They've actually figured it out
in Ohio. They have a system very little attention is
given to it where literally they have an audit paper

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trail with every single solitary vote. It's as secure as
you could possibly make it. And I think other states
can learn from it. All right, So Biden orders the
study unpacking the Supreme Court the despite seventy three percent
of Americans, according to a poll, are against slave reparations.

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Seventy three percent of bill that could lead to these
reparations took a big step forward today as the House
Judiciary Committee scheduled it for a debate and a vote
next week that would create a commission to study reparations.
Congress Hooman Chila Jackson Lee, the bill sponsor, and a

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statement called the markup of major step forward, something to
pay attention to as we move forward with the most
radical agenda in American history. I told you there's never
been a political party like this. Now they are, apparently
these bipartisan infrastructure package. Everything now is infrastructure, childcare, infrastructure,
green projects, infrastructure. Everything is in infrastructure. No, it's not infrastructure.

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The definition of infrastructure is nothing like what Kirsten Gillibrand
said it is. It just doesn't exist that way. But
you're seeing a lot of resistance even from Senators like
Susan Collins, Bob Portman, Shelley Moore, Compito, and far beyond
any traditional definition of what infrastructure is. So well watch

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that closely. Now there is a lot of pushback on this.
The six executive actions that Biden's moving forward with on
the Second Amendment. First, is he actually said the word
no amendment is absolute. What does that even mean? The
right of the people to keep into bear arms shall

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not be infringed? Is that not an absolute right? You know?
The right to worship as we choose, freedom of speech,
freedom of to practice our faith religion, freedom of the press.
Are they not absolute rights? I mean, is anybody in
the medium mom going to ask anybody? Biden goes? Trust me,

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I'm not violating the Constitution with my gun orders. Okay,
with my gun control orders. I'm just gonna take Joe's
word for it. Politic Fact today actually took on Joe's
lies exaggerating about background checks at gun shows. Biden made
more false comments about guns, and then I see circle back.

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Jen Saki had to circle back and then tap Dan's
trying to clean up everything. A reporter said, is the
president's belief that you don't have to underground go or
background check when you go to a gun show, which
is what he said. Oh no, it's not his belief.
Circle back. Jen Psaki said he believes the background check
should be universal. And a lot of criticism Americ Garland

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being at this presser on this whole thing, doubling down
on stupidity, this idea that you know, Biden's gun control
claiming that an AAR fifteen pistol with a stabilizing brace
is something that you can conceal. And by the way,
there's a side note here firearms. This was in the
Daily Wire. Background checks are at a record high. Americans

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see what's coming, and they're like racing to the local
gun store to get firearms before all of these changes
get put into place by the stroke of a pen.
And he wants to take it further, as we know,
the President urging Congress to band quote assault weapons which
they can't even define, and larger magazines. But they don't

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even know what they're talking about. I mean, that's part
of the problem is they their knowledge of weapons is
so limited and so low that they don't even really
understand what it is that they're talking about. The idea
that they say it's concealable. You know, they sent out
this fact sheet. The alleged shooter and bouldered last month
had a pistol with an armbrace, which could make a

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firearm more stable, more accurate, while still being concealable. Okay,
concealable in this context is probably misleading because while it's certain, Yeah,
are pistols with a stabilizer can be concealed? What in
a backpack in a big bag that you're carrying around
and you're not going to be able to put it

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on your person the way you would a traditional pistol
or a revolver. It's not concealable in that sense, as
it depends on the definition of concealed. And then Biden
making the claim that a pistols are more lethal if
they have a stabilizer brace, can you explain how the
explanation for greater lethal, you know, being more lethal with

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the stabilize embraced, because I don't quite understand that, because
if you know how to shoot a weapon, it's the
same bullet coming out of the same gun. So how
is it more lethal? What that you're going to make
the claim it's more accurate or that the person will
have better skills, because the way they said it didn't
make any sense to me. Is as a Second Amendment believer,

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enthusiast gun believer, the right to keep it in a
bare arms and I always ask the same question, what
are you gonna do. Let's say you're one of these
people that are deathly afraid of a firearm? What do
you do? God forbid? And I don't want this to
happen to anybody ever, But this is an evil world
with evil people in it. That as a fact. We

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saw that. You know, we see it every day. Let's
be honest, you see it every single day. What do
you do if somebody breaks into your house or your
business and you need to protect yourself and your loved
ones and your family, what are you going to do?
I know what I'm gonna do because I'm trained in

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the safety and use of a firearm. But what are
other people going to do here? Anyway? That's I guess
going to be a decision every person has to make.
Now let me get to this. Uh, we have some
data now that has come out today on what is
this unmitigated disaster at the border? Now it is by

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any definition, what is happening there is it's it's just
pure abuse. These cages for kids that Biden keeps building
because he says Trump stopped building the cages. Okay, well
he didn't you when you thought he was using your
cages that he built with Obama. The media went insane

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showing footage of kids in cages when Biden was Vice president.
Now he's building more cages and lashing out of Trump.
Trump's fault because he stopped building the cages. Okay, yeah,
but he was securing the border with four ner and
fifty feet a new wall he created to stay in Mexico,
policy that Joe eliminated, and he didn't invite people the

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way Joe did to incentivize him to come. Basically dangling amnesty,
come here if you're seeking asylum. While they're listening and
they're telling anybody that'll listen that I'm here because Joe
said it's okay to come. And it is a dangerous,
perilous journey, and you're dealing with really bad actors in
the names of cartels, traffickers, coyotes, etc. But March is

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another record month for the Biden administration, and the Biden
border surge now has broken the record for the most
unaccompanied miners arriving in this country in history. The most
ever children were only a fraction of the total of
one hundred and seventy two three thirty one illegal immigrant

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encounters by Homeland Security. At this time last year was
thirty one thousand. Now it's one hundred and seventy two thousand,
and that's on top of the record set in February.
These are March numbers. The number undercut Biden's assertion that
the vast majority of families are being sent back. No,
we've debunked that myth too. Then nobody's being sent back.

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And here's something that should anger everybody. We now have
Custom and Border Patrol press release. Over eight thousand Border
Patrol employees have now tested positive for COVID. Now, why
is that? Because the high rate of positivity for COVID

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with illegal immigrants that Joe's letting in every day. Most
of these employees in the press release were infected after
they began caring for this deluge of illegal immigrants traveling
to the US as part of this Biden border surge.
Now it's going to be a twenty plus year high
of illegal immigrants from the CPB. It says more than

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eighty three hundred CBP employees have now tested positive border
patrol for COVID. Nineteen twenty eight have died, twenty eight dead.
The safety of our workplace, our communities, and the individuals
in our care as a top priority, CBP personnel put
themselves in their families at risk with every encounter at

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the border, and as we pointed out, they hadn't even
been offered the vaccine up to this point. I think
they have in the last week, but throughout this entire
surge they hadn't and now provide now all their resources
now exhaustively used just to handle the surge, which then
freeze up the rest of the border for the human traffickers,

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the drug smugglers, the cartels, and the gangs. Two thirds
of voters give Biden rightly so a failing grade. By
the way, when is Kamala the borders are ever going
to even get a briefing on any of this? The
Epic Times points out Mark Bernovitch, who's been on this program,
Arizona Attorney General said yesterday Kamala Harris never responded to

(27:55):
his invitation to visit the border. Well, what the hell
is she doing? How is there such a lack of
urgency when the governor of Texas is saying that there's
there's now, there's now chronicled incidences of sexual abuse at
Joe's border facilities. I mean, is that not going to

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motivate them to pay attention because we haven't heard a
peep out of the mob and the media or any
other Democrats. Imagine if Trump built these new cages for kids,
and that there was such overcrowding in the middle of
a pandemic, with a high rate of positive COVID positive rate,

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high rate of now border patrol getting COVID, and then
rapes being reported at the facilities. What would the response
be of the media, mob and Democrats if Donald Trump
were president. I don't think that's hard to figure out.
We know what the response would be. We know by
the way the federal government spending sixty million dollars a

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week to pay for all of these unaccompanied miners, that
Joe is invited in house, Republicans are calling Joe the
trafficker in chief. The situation's deteriorating even further and further
and getting worse by the day. Republicans are demanding answers
about these allegations of rape and child abuse. Look at

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the pictures. Try and run a daycare center the way
that Biden's cages. Look and see what happens to you.
Sixty million dollars a week to take care of the
unaccompanied miners, and still Kamala is nowhere to be found.
Two hundred and seventy five US sheriff's right that Biden
has unleashed a predictable illegal immigration crisis. Housing miners is

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costing us a fortune. The situation is the deteriorating more
every day. I mean, it's unbelievable. Border encounters up seventy
one percent. It's only thirty one marchal last year, one
hundred and seventy two thousand this year. I mean, what
are they going to do to fix it? What are

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they gonna do? I mean, then you look at the
infrastructure disaster, then you look at all the higher taxes
that are coming. Then you look at the boycott based
on the Jim Crow two point old lie of Joe
Biden and the impact that's how having There's a study
out now that shows National Association the Manufacturers, we're gonna

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lose one million jobs in the first two years of
Joe Biden's tax hikes. Weekly jobless claims higher than expected.
By the way, there's a zero hedgepiece about how there's
no job seekers because people are just accepting the money
the government keeps giving them. I think there should be
on a need basis for such help. There are people

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that need help. I love New York State creates a
two billion dollars fund, two billion dollars for the state
to give you illegal immigrants. Get this fund is offering
one time payments of up to fifteen thousand, six hundred dollars.
New York State is offering to illegal immigrants. It's an

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awful lot of money to take from the taxpayers of
New York and the rest of the country that just
bailed out New York Visa Vie. The emergency COVID relief
billions that went to New York unbelievable. James O'Keefe major
court decision, New York Supreme Court. They move forward with

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discovery depositions against The New York Times, and we'll have
full coverage of that when we come back. Get a
lot of your calls in on this Friday, eight hundred
and nine four one, Shawn. You want to be a
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It's eight hundred and nine four one, Shawn. If you
want to be a part of the program, So we
have these new pictures, and I've told you my sources
that brief me now some time ago, and I've reinforced
what I've learned as it relates to Hunter Biden's laptop,
which he's been saying in interviews. I have no idea.
If they're mind, then why did his lawyers go to

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the the the mac repair shop guy owner and ask him, Yeah,
can we have Hunters laptops back please? By that point
they've been handed over to the FBI. Why nothing has
happened to this point is beyond mysterious to me. We
saw pictures new pictures, two of a sexual nature from

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the laptop revealed and one look like what they call
meth mouth. When you use a lot of drugs, it
destroys your teeth. And a picture that was on the
laptop is also apparently you know, thousands of text messages,
including to Joe Biden himself, who thinks that he was
probably being spied on. Anyway, it's really the laptop from hell.

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The Daily Mail published the photos of Hunter, you know,
apparently with women one time, two at a time, and
then it should shock those the conscience of people. I've
been told that there's a lot more on there. I've
even been told by my lawyers that, based on what
my sources tell me could be on there, that likely

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is on there. Now we've confirmed from people who've seen
it on there that I can't even take possession of
it without possibly being a violation of a crime. That's
a true story. Now The Daily Mail has a quote
out there More to come which seems to imply that
they've got the entire laptop, which would mean that maybe

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finally some of this information will come to light. We'll
have to wait, we'll have to watch, we'll have to see. Anyway,
in the Great state of Ohio, if you listen to
what happened with the laptop, what did they say? They said, Well,
eighteen agencies think that it was likely the Russians. It's
probably the Russians. That was another one of excuses that

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I could have altered or stolen or hacked into the
laptop and put all these pictures of Hunter up there
and videos of Hunter up there, and text messages would
Joe up there. This flame Russia blame Russian nonsense is
getting old because that was the lie told for three
years to the country. There never was any Trump Russia collusion.

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The only Russian collusion in twenty sixteen was Hillary Clinton
paying for a dirty Russian dossier full of misinformation that
was then used as unverifiable as it was to lie
to a FISA court and premeditative fraud committed on a
FISA court to then spy on a candidate and then

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a president named Donald Trump. But anyway, with that said,
Democrats love to talk about Russian interference except when it's
about Hillary and when it's about Hunter's laptop or any
other excuse that they want to make. Now, in the
great state of Ohio, they have a system that is
so sound because they're able to literally audit the paper

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trail associated with every single solitary vote. In other words,
they have an Ohio and other states are now making
changes to election laws, so I think the timing is appropriate.
They offer another level of security which every American should
want if you believe in the integrity of our vote

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and want confidence in an election's outcome, and how crucial
voter confidence would be for the entire country. Now, the
Ohio Secretary of State said that he's aggressively opposed his
Americans casting ballots via mobile devices. This is now an
idea that has been floated, believe it or not, by

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Apple and said, well, you should be able to vote
from your phone. Okay, that's really dumb because the level
of potential for cheating and corruption is limitless. The dumbest
idea I think I've ever heard anyway, Frank Lerosa joins
US Secretary of State Parl Ohio. Explain this system that
you have that has this extra level of security in

(36:14):
terms of being able to audit the paper trail associated
with every vote. Yeah, Sean, Tim Cook is pretty good
at running a technology company, but he should leave election
security to the experts like our bipartisan elections officials here
in Ohio. What we do is, first of all, our
voting machines are never connected to the Internet, not allowed
to be. It would be a violation of law to

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connect a voting machine to the Internet in Ohio. And
then we can audit the results of our elections because
there is a one hundred percent paper trail. Every ballot
ever cast in Ohio has a hard copy paper trail.
And we do that after the election, go back and
audit in every county, every one of our eighty eight counties.
And in December of last year, we returned an accuracy
rate of ninety nine point nine eight percent. That's why

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Ohioans know and they go to bet on election that
they can trust that their voice was heard in a fair,
an honest election. You know, the thing is, and this
is what I keep saying with states that, for example,
have statutory language that says partisan observers are to observe
the vote count from start to finish. That didn't happen
this election in twenty twenty. When you have two separate

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standards for signature verification or voter id like they did
in Georgia based on a consent agreement, one very lack
standard for mail in balloting and one very rigid standard
for in person voting, that's not fair to everybody. You
need one standard. This new law that has everyone's been
lying about that led by Joe Biden, which led the

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MLB to pull out the All Star Game, it was
all based on a lie. It's not Jim Crow two
point zero. It's a fairer system that's in the state
of Delaware by a long shot, and it's much more
fairer than even New York, and it's more fair than Colorado,
where the All Star Game is headed. But nobody took
the time to inform themselves. So I guess my next
question is if in fact they ever brought up this

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insane idea of mister Cook to go forward with voting
by iPhone, would that not lend itself to the biggest
possibility of fraud and abuse than any other system I
can think of. Oh, absolutely, and listen, even if the
technology were terrific and maybe someday it'll be there with
multi factor authentication and blockchain and whatever else, the public

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confidence has to be there as well. And so until
every American knows and believes that it's an honest and
trustworthy process, you just can't move forward with it. And
that's why voting on iPhones or any other internet connected
devices not on my watch in Ohio certainly, well not
everybody has an iPhone. Sorry mister Cook, to break that
to you, but not everybody has it. Let me move

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on and ask on another level here in terms of
you know, look, stay like Ohio. We get the results.
We have them in the voters counted on the night
of the election. There's never a question about voter integrity
or having confidence in the results. We had problems in
Florida in two thousand and problems in twenty sixteen. Those

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problems were resolved by Governor Ronda Santis and we had
the results early on election nine in twenty twenty. And
then you look at what happened in Georgia. Then you
see the Constitution of Pennsylvania was completely ignored and bypassed.
Because the Constitution's clear about mail and balloting with rare
exceptions that was not followed. Then you look at the

(39:32):
law in states like Wisconsin, in Michigan, those laws weren't followed.
I mean, so, isn't it an obligation of the states
to clean this up? And wouldn't HR one Sr one
basically take away the constitutionally defined role of state legislatures
if it's passed, Oh absolutely. Not only is it unconstitutional,

(39:53):
but it's unworkable. It would release all kinds of chaos
into the system, which if the supporters of HR one say,
there greater participation rates, and of course we all want
to see every citizen participate in elections, that's a hallmark
of American democracy. But really, if you had HR one
pass it would result in all kinds of chaos, which
ultimately causes people to not want to vote. That's why

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here in Ohio we know that we've got a good
system of running elections. Other states are looking at Ohio
as an example. I testified in the Pennsylvania Legislature just
a couple of weeks ago. That's how it should happen.
State Houses all around the country should be looking at
how they make their elections more secure, more accessible, and
fairer for everybody involved. But it shouldn't happen from Washington DC.
Am I right when I tell this audience that statutory

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language that allows partisan observers to observe the count start
to finish, that that didn't happen in many states this year?
Am I right to say that? You know? I think
that there are many states where that didn't happen. I
know that in Ohio that's a bedrock principle of how
we run things. In fact, even our boards of elections
are one hundred percent bipartisan. It takes a Republican and

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a Democrat nearly the screw in a light bulb at
a county board of elections in Ohio, and that's that
trust would verify thing, the old Reagan model, that's how
we keep it honest? Was I right? You've been involved
in the Pennsylvania case. You recently testified before some of
the legislatures. Legislators, am I right in saying that their
constitution was bypassed by that state law. Well, what happens

(41:22):
is activist lawsuits in the month of September. That's the
thing that people should always be on the lookout for.
That's where the real problem comes in. And when some
judge somewhere decides that they're going to listen to the
ACLU instead of the state legislature and just changed the
laws arbitrarily at the last minute, leads to a lot
of problems. We've fought that in Ohio. We won our
attorney general and I went to bat We won all

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of our lawsuits. But in some cases they sat down
and cut a deal. It was crisis opportunism, saying oh, well,
there's a pandemic, so we need to ignore what the
state legislature has said. Really shameful. So the bottom line
is that there is a system that is full proof
and ensure all the integrity everybody deserves and instill confidence

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in everybody in the result. And it's being done in
Ohio every election year, and that every other state that
might have problems has a lot to learn from Ohio.
Is that a fair statement. I think it's fair. There's
nothing full proof. As long as they are humans involved,
there's always an opportunity for human error or mistakes to
get made. But the good news is with the Ohio system,
it's resilient and we can catch those problems and we

(42:28):
prosecute for it. When somebody commits election fart in Ohio,
it's exceedingly rare, but when it happens, we prosecute for it.
And that's something that we don't take lately. All Right,
I gotta give you a lot of credit, Frank LeRose,
Thank you so much, Secretary of State of the Great
State of Ohio. Thank you, sir. Quick break Barrior calls
eight hundred and nine f one. Sean, you want to
be a part of the program. James O'Keefe. By the way,

(42:49):
big win against the New York Times at the bottom
of this half hour. Back to our busy phones. All right,
Sharon is in North Dakota. Hey, Sharon, how are you?
Glad you called? Hi? Thank Sean? How are you? I'm good?
Thank you? How are you? I'm good? Actually I moved
from North Dakota and I'm in Lehigh Valley area and

(43:10):
the state of Pennsylvania. Now, and are you happy with
your move? Um? I like where I am. I like
the church I'm going to, and I like my job.
That's it. You go to the same church as Linda.
Linda lives pretty close to you. Oh really, no, I'm
in amy it. Oh okay, Well, thank you for calling.

(43:33):
What's on your mind today? So I've caused them before
and I'm just going to keep saying the same thing.
We need to get boots on the ground, get people talking, legislation,
things like that, people, councilmen, you know, people need to
talk to people and teach people true You know what

(43:54):
this is really about. Instruction, you know, well, instruction specific
clear on what specifically on what's really going on. What
Democrats stayed, for instance, heating Black America, the lie right,
and why not deal with truth and just give people

(44:15):
troll right so they can make a decision. But if
they only have a lie, lie, lie lie, then they
can't look at for example, we've been showing all these
images of all of these kids living in Biden's cages
down at the border in the middle of a pandemic.
And if this for a daycare center. The owners and

(44:37):
operators would probably be handcuffed and taken a jail for
the unsanitary and inhumane conditions and abuse that goes on there.
And yet nobody seems to care. If you're a Democrat.
Nobody in the media seems to want to pay attention
to it, unless you're watching shows like mine. You know,
the media has no problem Joe lying about falling down.

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They have no problem when they lie about well, this
is COVID emergency relief and it's not well, this is
infrastructure when it's not right. So the only thing I
can say is and this, and then that heads into
cancel culture. Okay, Now, if I tweet out everything that
I say on my radio program, I'm going to be
canceled on Twitter. I just don't spend my time on Twitter.

(45:25):
Remember when we were I'm sixty three, so I remember
I knew the name of the cops where I lived
in New York because I grew up in New York
in hallm So I knew who it was. They knew
as they knew our parents that that has gone away, right,
and so yeah, they knew, they knew mister Hannity really well.
Unfortunately for me. Yeah, well, well, what I'm saying is

(45:48):
that we have to get back to talking to people,
each one, reach one. We can't just rely on social
media for everything. You have to talk to people. You
have to conversation. Why do you feel the way you do?
Like Kim Klasik and Candice Oh and you know, you
have to sit down and talk to people and have

(46:10):
the conversation and go back and forth, go back and
forth with them. That's how you're going to change the
mind best. That's the only way. TV is not going
to do it. Watching the news us not to do it.
Here's where I get my information from websites I trust,
and I'm not going to give you the long list
of them, but Hannity dot Com is one, um I

(46:34):
do like Foxnews dot com, and there's a whole host
of I'm gonna miss people, and I don't want to
give a list of then it's gonna not exclude people
that deserve to be listed, but you'll the Daily Caller
does a good job to so many of them, and
I just urge people to find them anyway. Sharon, thank you,
glad you called. Wish you the best. All right, twenty
five till the top of the hour, Happy Friday. Glad

(46:56):
you're with us. We'll get to your calls here in
a second. I want to update you on something we
often feature. The hard work, the undercover reporting, the exposse
investigative reporting of Project Veritas and a group founded by
and led by the CEO is as everyone knows, James O'Keeffe.

(47:16):
James O'Keeffe comes under constant, never ending, NonStop fire. There've
been more lawsuits, attempts to silence, cancel, shut down his operation.
And the untold story here is that every single time
that these accusations are made against his organization or they've

(47:40):
they've tried to take Project Veritas to court. That's just
another tactic of trying to silence people. They've won, They've
never once lost a lawsuit against them. Now it's actually
gone in a different direction now a major win in
the New York Supreme Court concerning the group Project Veritas

(48:00):
and their defamation lawsuit against The New York Times. Now
we're paying particularly close attention to this because I have
my own personal issues with The New York Times and
them lying about me repeatedly anyway, So they have sufficient evidence,
according to the court, that the Times might have been
motivated by actual malice and acted with reckless disregard in

(48:21):
several posts hitting the group's work. Now sixteen page decision
got very little coverage in the mob in the media.
The New York Supreme Court Justice Charles Wood ruled against
the paper's motion to dismiss and found that Project Veritas
had shown sufficient evidence that The New York Times were
motivated by actual malice and reckless disregard. Now this is

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the high standard we've talked about in the past of
a landmark Supreme Court case Times v. Sullivan, and anyway,
it had to do with several articles written by their reporters,
and this now will allow Project Veritas access to discovery.
That means they can see internal emails, internal text messaging,

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and other matters that might have come up, which can
be extremely difficult for this news organization. I might add
I would not be shocked if The New York Times
tries to settle this as a means of preventing this
now discovery. It means that they will now be able
to put the reporters under oath where they will be

(49:25):
forced to answer their questions back by whatever emails they
have and whatever text messages they have or whatever signal
messages they have, and the decision said, the court finds
documentary proof and the facts alleged by Project Veritas are
sufficient to meet its burden. This burden is ridiculously high,

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and if you're a public figure like I am, I
gotta be honest. I think it's it's grossly unfair because
people can pretty much write and say anything they want
about me because I'm a public figure, and I don't
have the means to sue when it's clear that the
facts in the case are false, because you have to
prove malice. That is a very high bar. But anyway,

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without getting in the weeds here or making it about me,
the facts submitted indicate that, in fact, that there's more
than the standard garden variety media bias and support a
plausible inference of real malice. There is a substantial basis
in law to proceed, to permit the plaintiff to conduct
discovery and then to attempt to meet the higher standard

(50:31):
of proving liability through clear and convincing evidence of actual malice.
I mean, this is a devastating piece. Now. Jonathan Turley
weighed in on this, and he said, this is the
latest hit for the New York Times following a win
from former Alaskan Republican Governor Sarah Palin. Having two such
losses for The New York Times in the defamation area

(50:53):
is ironic given its role in establishing the precedent under
Times versus Sullivan, The New York Times versus Sullivan. UM. Anyway,
the President, former President Trump, has weighed in on this,
and here's what he said. Congratulate Project Veritas on their
big win on The New York Times. Now the suit
will continue, and whatever you can do for their illegal

(51:14):
defense fund, we'll win them all the way. They do
incredible work. They find things that nobody would even believe possible.
So James, congratulations, Thank you, Thanks very much. James O'Keefe
joins US now founder CEO Project Veritas. What a lot
of people, just to add one of the point of this.
Congratulations first of all. And secondly, it cost a lot

(51:34):
of money to get where you got here, Sean, it
sure does. And by the way, what a great summary
you just did of all the facts, and that was
well done this case in the Supreme Court of the
State of New York versus a project. By the way,
the Statute of Limitations on my case is not over, James,
and I've been watching your case and Sarah Palin's case
very closely. Thank you, thank you. This is a really

(51:55):
important thing. I'm glad you're taking the time. Project Veritas
is versus New York Times Company, historic order. Sean, Yes,
it costs a lot of money. Has cost us a
quarter million dollars just to get to this phase of
the litigation. We've taken on the New York Times in
their army of lawyers, and we've won this historic motion
in the State of New York Supreme Court. This Judge

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Sean has this is like one of the first times ever,
first one of a few plaintiffs since the nineteen sixties.
That is unlike the Sarah Palin case. She sued the
New York Times over the op ed page. We sued
the New York Times over a news article in the
a section, Sean where they called our voter fraud videos deceptive.

(52:38):
They said that we used unnamed sources. We did not.
They said that we had no evidence. We did have evidence,
so we sued them. Sean and Dudge in this historic
sixteen page order has said that it was the New
York Times that acted deceptively that they used misinformation by
putting their opinions in a news article. And Sean, perhaps

(52:59):
the craziest thing about what the New York Times wrote
in their legal defense motions as they said that it
was a quote, get this. New York Times said it
was a quote unverifiable expressions of opinion unquote when they
wrote this stuff about me saying that I was deceptive
in disinformation campaign, and the judge was having none of it.
The judge said of the New York Times, no, you

(53:21):
guys engaged in disinformation. Now we've won this. That means
we get to go through discovery. Hardly ever happened before.
We're going to conduct videotaped under oaths depositions of New
York Times employees and they're hopefully they're top guy a
Dean Backe, who is the editor of the New York Times.
They are required by law to answer our questions. It's

(53:42):
historic and I think Sean, just like you, other people
are coming out say hey, maybe I should see the
New York Times. Now you know, I'm going to be
very very blunt here on one of the factors that
only gives me slight hesitancy. It's not the money. It's
the amount of time and energy that it takes away
from my day jobs. And I'm being very blunt here.

(54:05):
I have to factor in how much time, how much
how much bandwidth do I have on any given day
beyond doing this radio show to the best of my
ability every day and Hannity the TV show to the
best of my ability every night. And I hate taking
time and energy and resources away from what I'm dedicated to,

(54:27):
which is my day job. That's my honest answer as
to why there's been any hesitancy in me whatsoever, because,
like you, I believe that that that bar has been
met of actual malice and things that they have written
and said about me. And it's it's not an easy
decision you've made because I've been I'm I'm, I'm, I'm
kind of I'm juggling this back and forth in my

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head and I'm like so happy for you, and I'm
looking at this that this needs to actually keep happening.
So I'm torn. Does that make sense? Well, it not
only does it make sense. I've heard I was talking
to Seth Dale on the CEO of the Babylon b
that's the satirical website and he's flirting to sue The
New York Times for defamation. There's been a lot of
people that have reached out to me because this is,

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as far as I know, the first person in modern
history that has done this against the news section. Sarah
Palin did it against the op ed section. And what
I would say to you is that I hear what
you're saying. It's a lot of money, it's a lot
of time. Project Veritas is actually flirting with our own
a legal division because we've won every loss that we've litigated,
and a lot of lawyers want to work for us.
Now we're actually flirting with potentially growing part of Veritas

(55:35):
to sue The New York Times on behalf of other
people who have fact patterns Shawn, like you do, actual malice,
and we think that we can get past motion to
dismiss on a couple other lawsuits. I do want to
take on this fight, Sean. I know a lot of
people don't because for whatever reason, they're busy, they have
other things they need to focus on. But I think

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the real win here is the videotape depositions that are
going to accor can you imagine, can't by the way,
I just ask for right right to first right or
first refusal to air them. Yes, absolutely, Sean, you'll get
an exclusive on that. Well, what I mean what I
say though, because you've got to understand and we all
work hard. I mean, we're all dedicated to I know

(56:19):
what motivates you. I know what motivates me. Um. I
am not in this for fame. I am not in
this for fortune. I am not in this. I got
into this business not expecting to ever even be successful
because I am passionate about the country, what I believe
in politics, and I've become more so, not less so,

(56:39):
over time. And what I know is this, and you've
experienced this too, when you're involved in these litigation matters,
whether you're on defense or offense, whatever it happens to
be at any given moment, seems like there's a shift
show every day in our lives. It just takes time
away from the business of doing the best shows I
can do. And that's hard for me to let go

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of that. Well, but I would say that it's gotten
so bad, and you know this, and I hear that
that's the same thing that I'm feeling. Why I spend
so much time in court. I sued my own insurance company.
I've been sued over a dozen times in one I
get it, I understand, but I think this the only
way to hold them accountable now is to sue them.
They don't they don't have they have no shame. They

(57:22):
don't care. They print corrections and retractions every day. We
frame are the retractions who make videos. They don't care.
They're not they don't care. Dean Battete of The New
York Times called me a loser this week. A loser.
This is the head of the New York Times lashing
out with ad hominem personal character attacks after we've won.
And I think this actual malice deal. If they knowingly lie,

(57:43):
if they knowingly lie about people like they did to
Ron de Santis for sixteen minutes, they deserve to be sued,
and I will take on that fight. I'd like to
see Publics sue from the state of Florida, and maybe
you could have a case where where Governor De Santis
would joy in that suit because Publics was smeared. Publics

(58:03):
did a noble thing for the people of Florida. They
did it for free. They didn't charge the state a penny.
They did it for the convenience of the people that
they serve every day. They're customers. And they did it
at the request of the Palm Beach County Democratic mayor,
who told me that on this show he requested the public,

(58:26):
not the Santis. Well, let me say two things. First
of all, this actual malice standard. That means that the
statements at sixty minutes were made with reckless disregard of
whether they were false or not. I think Ronda Santis
and Publics can prove that. I think it's in Ronda
Santas even said in its press conference they knew they
were lying. Well, that's the definition of malice. And if

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they sue, they will get past that motion to dismiss
in Florida or in fetal court. Here's the best start.
James the mayor, the Democratic mayor of Palm Beach on
this show, literally said, Ronda Santis came to us at
our request, had a meeting how to best serve the
people in Palm Beach County. Gave us a whole host
of options, and I chose publics. And then he spoke

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with sixty minutes, the producer of the piece on the
phone for forty five minutes, and none of what he
told them, did they covered nor did he accept his
opportunity to go on camera and state the opposite of
what the narrative that they had built in their minds is. Well.
I mean, listen, I've poll tested by audience. I say,

(59:30):
if the New York Times were to offer me ten
million dollars in an apology and retract the whole article
because they said that it was their opinion not actually true,
I asked, you know, I sent a little tweet out
on Instagram. I said, what do you guys think I
should do? Should I take the ten million dollars? Every
single person said no, No, all the way to a
jury verdict, go all the way through discovery. So the

(59:52):
real win here is not even a jury, you know, damages.
What the real win is the discovery. I hope if
Ron DeSantis, or if anyone's listening in Florida, I encourage you.
I'm telling you from experience, you have only one option.
You need to see these people for defamation under the law.
They acted in actual malice. It's obvious in the depositions.

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Under oath. You ask the reporters why did you exclude this?
And they they're gonna have to tell you under oath
on video, and I think more people are going to
be doing this. Sean. When when does your statute of
limitations expire on your on your face, Linda? When is that?
I have a lot of time the last time I checked.
But I'll be honest, I've been so busy I just
haven't really even had time to think about it. And

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but I'm watching and cheering from the sidelines here because
I know what these people do. I live it every day,
and like you, there comes a point where you just
get sick of it. You're tired of getting light about.
It's smeared, slandered, besmirched, and they know what they're doing
and they don't care, and they've never been held accountable.

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This is a landmark case. I applaud you and your efforts,
and it is much more difficult than people I think understand.
But this is going to get very interesting now moving forward,
both your case and Governor Palin's case. Yes, thank you
for highlighting it. Project Veritas dot com. We're a nonprofit.
Make a donation. It's a historic case and we'd like

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to We're going to keep fighting and we're going to win,
all right. Thank you. James, Okay, fascinating issue. I also
think we should have loser pays. I also think that
you shouldn't have to prove malice and that if there
ought to be retractions as prominent as where they placed
the original stories and apologies. Quick break, right back, come

(01:01:41):
up next our final news round up and Information Overload hour.
All right, News round Up, Information Overload hour. Your calls
coming up for most of this hour eight hundred and
nine four one Sean, you want to be a part
of the program. Now we're beginning to pay attention to
who the possible candidates will be in these important Senate

(01:02:02):
races coming up for twenty twenty two. I mean you're
looking at Florida, Ohio, Georgia, North Carolina, New Hampshire, Wisconsin, Arizona.
I mean, every one of these races is going to matter.
Another one in the great state of Alaska. And I
couldn't believe it when I saw, well, that's not true.
I did kind of believe it is a lot of

(01:02:24):
people like myself, have been beyond frustrated with Rhino Lisa Murkowski.
There is a challenger, a Republican challenger. Her name is
Kelly Kelly Chewbaca and she's got a new campaign out
there at out there, and it's pretty phenomenal, and she's
got a fifteen point lead over Lisa Murkowski. Listen, Lisa Murkowski. Well,

(01:02:46):
her background is just a little different than mine. Lisa's
dad was a powerful governor before that, he was in
the United States Senate for twenty years. Lisa wasn't originally
elected to the Senate. She didn't have to fight for it.
Her dad gave her the seat he was elected to.
She's been in that same seat for twenty years. That
means there's been a Murkowski in the Senate since nineteen

(01:03:09):
eighty one. So what has she been doing in Washington, DC. Well,
she's been voting with all of those DC insiders, especially
the liberal ones, and she has been hurting our way
of life. She's become more like them than us. You know.
She's supported Joe Biden for president and his radical agenda
to stop oil and gas development, killing Alaska jobs. So

(01:03:31):
now our economy just continues to suffer while DC just
treats us like its National Park playground. She voted to
allow illegal immigrants who violated laws to come into our
country and stay here. She voted against common sense judges
who would protect and preserve our constitutional rights. She was
even the deciding vote in keeping Obamacare, the result higher

(01:03:55):
healthcare costs and fewer healthcare choices for too many. A
last so, Kelly Chebaka now leads Murkowski by double digits
in the race for this what's going to be an
open Senate seat or a seat up in twenty twenty two,
and Chebaka, now former Alaska Department of Administration commissioner, up

(01:04:17):
by fifteen points. She joins us Now, Kelly, thank you
for being with us. How are you. I'm great, Sean,
thanks so much for having me on your show. I
want you to know I'm It's one of the few
states I've never been to. I think actually now the
only one to be honest to get up here. I know. Well,
But the thing is is like I'm the biggest Alaska survivalist,

(01:04:39):
you know, life below zero fan that you've ever met,
and deadliest catch fan you've ever met as they go
crabbing in those in those dangerous waters off the coast
of Alaska. UM. But anyway, I saw. I love the
the independent spirit. I love people that live off the grid.
I'm fascinated how they do it. I don't particularly like
the cold as which is maybe some of your neighbors

(01:05:01):
up there, but that's a side issue. But I love
the spirit of the people of Alaska. We recently had
the governor on I love how you share that you
look at the natural resources in Alaska as being owned
by the people of Alaska, and they often you don't
pay state income taxes, you get a check from the state. Now,

(01:05:21):
because of these restrictive laws that Joe Biden or not
even laws, executive orders, it's going to directly negatively impact
the people of Alaska. And Lisa Murkowski has not been
somebody that's been willing to lead on pretty much anything.
You know, that's right. The way you describe Alaska is
how all of us Alaskans see it. My parents moved

(01:05:42):
up here when Alaska was prosperous. They came looking for opportunity.
We Alaskans know it as a land of opportunity. My
dad was the Union electrician. He'd served in Vietnam. My
mom was one of the Alaskans who helped Prudo Bay startup.
It's one of our largest oil fields. And you know,
they were even homeless for a while. Life housing and
easy for them but they lived out the American dream

(01:06:02):
up here because that's who we are as Alaskans. They
fought their way into the middle class, and I thought
to be the first in our family to pursue a
college degree. So that's not what Alaska is anymore Sean.
In the last twenty years or so, the amount of
time that Lisa Murkowski has been our senator, Alaska's really declined.
Just as we talked about, she's sided with those DC insiders,

(01:06:25):
and she's made votes that have really hurt our way
of life. And there is a fire in the heart
of a lot of us Alaskans to rebuild our state
and to make it that state that I grew up in,
the one that my parents moved to. We feel forgotten
by Lisa Murkowski. We know what those DC insiders think
about us, but we are looking for a new generation
Alaska conservative like me, someone who's pro Second Amendment, pro business,

(01:06:49):
pro life, who believes in America first, and who's not
a pushover, who's not being a fold of those DC insiders,
who's going to stand up to the Biden administration and
fight for Alaska. That's what I want to do in
the Senate. How is Lisa Murkowski though survived this long.
I'm kind of surprised, and I understand that the system
of electing a senator is unique in Alaska. Why don't

(01:07:09):
you walk people through that. We have a new system
right now. We just passed a proposition that will have
a general election as our primary and in general election
as our final election, so it'll be ranked choice all
the way through. Alaskans will decide our election. I think
Lisa Murkowski has survived as our senator because I think
most people understand what ranked choice is. Maybe explain it.

(01:07:31):
It just means that will instead of having a primary
by party where Republicans will choose their candidate and Democrats
will choose theirs, and then it goes to a final election,
we have a general election where everybody can keeps against
each other in the primary and in the final election.
And so in the final election, they'll rank their ballots
candidates one, two, three, and four as the primary, and
then the final contestants will the top ranks ones will

(01:07:54):
go off to the general election, and then again Alaskans
will rank them and whoever gets the majority vote at
the end will in It's fascinating to me that this
early out that you have a fifteen point lead. I
really don't imagine that lead of routing now, and it
doesn't really matter to me. I don't think Alaskans are
going to be influenced heavily by a big spending campaign.

(01:08:17):
I mean, what's Lisa Murkowski gonna run on? She Is
she going to run on the fact that she opposed
conservative originalists and constitutionalist to the court. Is she is
she gonna run on the idea that she voted to
impeach Donald Trump? I mean, what's she going to run on?
Alaskans are smart enough to realize Lisa Murkowski's for the

(01:08:38):
politicos and I'm for the people. And that's why, even
this early on, while she's got forty years of name
recognition on me, between her dad and her having held
that seat, they know that seat doesn't belong to someone
who has the last name Murkowski. That seat belongs to Alaska.
So even though the DC insiders are supporting her, the
Senate Leadership Fund is back to her, we know that
that seat belongs to Alaska. Alaskans. No, I'm for opportunity.

(01:09:02):
The Biden administration is for oppression. They're pressing our oil
and gas jobs they're pressing our Second Amendment rights, they're
pressing Alaska sovereignty. They're pressing our military support right now
when we need national security strength. Leisa Murkowski supports the
Biden administration. The Biden administration does not support Alaska. We
need opportunity in Alaska. We need oil and gas jobs,

(01:09:24):
we need our Second Amendment rights, we need our sovereignty,
We need to support our military. We love our military
up here. Leisa Murkowski cannot campaign on a platform of
oppression of Alaska. We need opportunity in Alaska, and that's
what Alaska is going to vote for. Well, we're going
to follow this raise very very closely. Kelly Chewbaker, thank

(01:09:45):
you so much for being one of us, and congratulations
on that poll. We really appreciate you being well us.
I appreciate it, and people can find out more about
us at Kelly fo r for AKA dot com. Thanks
so much, Sean, I appreciate it. All right. We'll stay
on it and we're going to follow it throughout the campaign.
It's early, but that's a big number to be ahead
by quick break. We'll hit the phones when we get back.

(01:10:08):
Eight hundred and nine four one, Sean, you want to
be a part of this program. All right, let's get
to our phones for the rest of this Friday. Christy
is a Middleland, Texas Hey Christy, how are you? Thank
you for joining us. Hi Sean, thanks for having me.
I'm a second generation listener to Talk radio. Wow. Thanks,
thank you. So Back in March of two thousand and nine,

(01:10:29):
my best friend, my brother, my girl's uncle was shot
and killed in the line of duty. I'm so sorry.
That's awful. He was the absolutely most pure hearted person
I've ever known in my life. He dedicated his life
to helping others and he never asked for anything in return.
All this media coverage over the George Floyd case is

(01:10:51):
it's just putting our police back in the limelight. Our
men and women of blue have suffered through so much
aggravation over the people they're trying to protect that putting
him back on the map and back in the media
is just putting our officers back in danger. The media
has made it to where this they're putting one man

(01:11:12):
out of many in history who have been killed by
a police officer, whether it was a jo killing or
an unjust killing. Let me just say this, because we
saw what this one incident resulted in and that was
even though Joe Biden didn't admit it, and Kamala supported
the rioters with the bail fund, and it led to,
you know, defunding the police, and it led to rioting,

(01:11:34):
and it led to three thousand plus cops injured with
rocks and bottles and bricks and molotov cocktails and everything
we talked about. They denied that it was even happening.
And you know, police precincts burned to the ground, and
blocks of neighborhoods literally taken over by radical extremists, and

(01:11:56):
even police precincts taken over by the radicals, and we
saw what happened. You know, I want to be very
clear here because even during the height of all of this, Russia, Russia, Russia,
when we were exposing deep corruption and premeditated fraud on
Afiza Court on four separate occasions, and you know, just

(01:12:17):
outright lying and the entire process corrupted. At the very top,
I went out of my way because I thought it
was important Christie to point out that the ninety nine
percent of brave men and women in the FBI do
a very dangerous job, and they have ethics and morals
and integrity, and I have confidence in them, and it's amazing.

(01:12:39):
One percent goes bad, and I never wanted that ninety
nine percent tainted because of the actions of a few
at the top, you know exactly. You know. I've made
my arguments as it relates to the officer in the
Floyd case based on my watching the video and my
knowledge of police training and my knowledge of martial arts

(01:13:02):
as a student of eight years and I mean a
serious student. This is not a hobby for me. And
I've articulated them to people. No need to repeat them anymore.
But the jury's going to do what they do. And
but it's Have police suffered as a result of people out, Yeah,

(01:13:22):
I mean the stereotyping of cops. Yeah, it's unfair because
let me tell you of watching these cops in New
York daused with water, watching their cars overturned and vandalized,
and watching them hit with rocks and bottles and bricks.
It's awful. And how many of those how many of
those cases of police officers deaths? Are we going to

(01:13:43):
see the media report on how many of those deaths
of officers? Is a national media gon gonna show us?
I can tell you right now. My brothers shooter, an
oil filled tycoon with money and title. He's never gonna
have national news in his trial. And here's George Boyd,
who before this incident was only known on the streets

(01:14:04):
is a drug dealer or a drug user or a criminal,
is getting national media all his name is all over
this country. Everyone knows who he is. But yet those
officers who died saving lives, protecting the people of this
nation will never have their accuser see the national media.
We have talked at length about the number of officers

(01:14:27):
killed over these many years, like your brother, and it
is it's heartbreaking. Look, everybody, I always say this about
police officers and good teachers. Not these crazy teachers unions
that don't even want to show up and work at
this particular time and their union support them. But the
good teachers, the ones that transform people's lives and are

(01:14:49):
dedicated to their profession. Good ministers, you know, those that
really are faithful to what they teach and preach and
live by example. Those people or doctors or nurses, or
first responders, firemen, policeman. I have found in my life
that everyone that chooses any of these professions, they choose

(01:15:11):
it because it's a calling. It's not because they want fame.
They're not doing You're not becoming a cop to get rich,
You're just not. But every cop I know dreamed of
becoming a cop, and uh, and I even thought at
one point in my life I wanted to be a
police officer. And I was even appointed to the academy
in New York NYPD, and I decided last minute. I

(01:15:33):
don't know why, I said, I don't think that's for me,
and you know, I guess things worked out okay. But honestly,
I admire them so much, and it's unfair that they
are if one bad cop taints the entire profession, or
one cop, you know, all of them, and they take
it out on home and it's it's been listen, let's

(01:15:53):
be blunt. It's been open season on cops now. And
I'm afraid for all of them. And I know cops
because I talked to them. And my vice to them
is be careful. My advice to them that they're not
as proactive as they once wore when they want to be,
for the genuine, real fear of consequences. If they do
their job even perfectly, they're concerned and I don't blame them.

(01:16:17):
And then there's an effort in New York, believe it
or not, to take away any liability protections that the
city would give them. Though there's no cop that's going
to be able to defend themselves in court without indemnity
by the city. It's impossible, it's unaffordable. They have to
know that they're being supported by the people they are
protecting if situation comes into play. Yeah, well said, Well listen,

(01:16:38):
I'm sorry you lost your brother. Our thoughts and prayers
are with him, with you, your family, and with all
these good cops that go out every day to protect
and serve all of us. They deserve our thanks. It's
harder than ever. Thank you. We'll continue all right, twenty
five to the top of the hour. Your calls for
this half hour, We've got to replay first, though, our
buddy Joe Packs did our version. I had this idea,

(01:17:01):
I think on Wednesday. How did it? Joe Peggs gave
it to us yesterday. We played it once yesterday. I'm
gonna play it again today. You know the song New York,
New York, Frank Sinantra, you know, starts spreading the news.
I'm leaving today. Don't want to be a part of it,
New York, New York. Cuomo's abuse. COVID's here to stay
right through the very heart of it, New York, New York.

(01:17:23):
Don't want to wake up in a city run by
that creep. I'll soon go over the hill and leave
this trash heap oh Man. The Blasio blows upward that
crime coast. I played this for a friend of mine
that's so defensive. It's like a New York City nut
loves it. Just can't get I'm like, you're gonna be
paying more the highest taxes in the world in about

(01:17:45):
two months, and I don't care. I'm like I do anyway,
let's play it. Courtesy of our buddy Joe Pegs. Start

(01:18:09):
spreading the news. I'm leaving today. Don't want to be
a part of it New York, New York who almost
abused COVID's here to stay right through the very heart

(01:18:37):
of it, New York, New York. Don't want to wake
up in a city run by that creep. I'll soon
go over the hill. Believe this trash heat deep Blagio

(01:19:01):
blows of words that crime goal. Bad guys run every
part of it. My old New York. I'll get right
out love there, take my family anywhere in my rear

(01:19:28):
view New York, New York, New York, New York. Do

(01:19:48):
want to wake up in a city at six feet
deep and fine? I might be carjacked, Central Parker tact taxes.
I'm please? They don't like ballly Man? Are they on crime?

(01:20:17):
Breathing the apple back? I God, I hit that Besy,
threw away out of New your DAF. I can get

(01:20:42):
out of bear away from the mean streets. Glare you
are all done New your New York? All right? Spreading

(01:21:02):
the news. Don't want to wake up in a city
run by that creep eight hundred and ninety four one. Sean,
you want to be a part of the program. Michelle
is in North Carolina. Michelle, how are you glad you called? Hey?
I'm doing great, Sean, thanks for taking my call. I
completely agree with the caller in front. We need to
have community conversations, and that needs to start with education.

(01:21:23):
And I think we have a perfect way to educate everybody.
As Joe Biden keeps bringing up Jim Crow whenever we
discuss having voter ID, and you know, he really should
know about it. Because it's the Democrats that actually wrote
the Jim Crow Laws, It's the Democrats that fought tooth
and nail not to ever allow segregation to be ended.
And it's the Democrats who are continuing this lie that

(01:21:45):
any minority is too stupid to use a computer and
they're too dumb to figure out how to get a
photo ID. And what we didn't need to let everybody
know is Jim Crow laws were not just to keep
people out of jobs or out of restaurants or out
of certain neighborhoods. Their intention also was to keep guns
out of the hands of every minority citizens. Let me

(01:22:07):
gently disagree with you. I don't think they're thinking people
are stupid. I think what they want is a system
that allows them to cheat, and they figure there's more
if there's no voter ID and you don't have signature verification,
that then lends itself to opportunity for them to do
things that are nefarious. Therein lies why they're lying about

(01:22:29):
the Georgia Law, which is far more inclusive, with far
more opportunities to vote for and participate by everybody than
Joe's home state of Delaware. Well, and I completely agree
that is their motive. Their motive is to continue to
steal elections like they did in twenty twenty. But also
what I'm saying is people don't understand that the entire system.

(01:22:53):
I mean, we have out of Joe's mouth statements like
well black people can't figure out how to use the internet,
you know, so they're to disadvantage. And what I'm saying
is this is the same thing. This is they want
to keep us divided so that they can conquer us.
And they're they're doing a really good job. Look at critical.
Let me just I've got a run because I'm on

(01:23:14):
a break here, but let me just finish with this
is remember this is their playbook every two and four years,
I just say to anybody, how have their policies worked
for law and order? How have they worked for education?
How did that Obamacare thing work out? Because they lie
and the lie is then never fulfilled, we say, hi,
Joe fort Worth, Texas? What's up, Joe? How are you sir?

(01:23:37):
They're doing well? Sean longtime listener, I really feel for
Christine or her brother that was just on the show.
Terrible right, terrible retired law enforcement here thought the defensive
tact that's been doing martial arts for over twenty six years,
so well versed in it. I agree with you on
ninety nine point nine percent of everything you've said, and

(01:23:58):
with you know, the officer and mister Floyd. You should
have been put in a what we call rescue or
recovery position well into the time he was on the ground.
They should have administered first aid quite a bit sooner.
Those are facts. I mean, that's just what you can
see from UH. We can't dispute those. I do have

(01:24:18):
an issue. I know you talk about just using a
two finger technique, and it would have you make it
seem like that that officer would have been able to
control mister Floyd with just two fingers, And I think
that's a false perception to put out there, because that's
that's if someone could feel that pressure. Right, pressure points
and techniques are used and manipulation of joints are used
on the assumption that someone's going to feel that. But

(01:24:40):
if you're under the introduction of uh, you know, a
narcotic or method, well in this case, pet and all,
and I believe that my memory shows me right, metha amphetamy, yeah, so,
and especially addicts. You actually talk that in defensive tactics
use the four situations. Now, it's response to resistance that
you're you're taught, you know, drugs, and especially people who

(01:25:01):
suffer from addiction or have those issues. They may not
feel that, so what you're doing may not work. And
there's what we talk about transition points and things to
you know. Look, you could try you could try it.
You could. I'm not gonna disagree with you on the point.
He did feel enough pain that he was communicating it
to the officer. I can't breathe, please, sir, Please, sir.

(01:25:23):
I mean he was being very compliant at that point,
and he is in restraint. So you could try a
kartagashi wristlock, which I'm sure you're very well aware of.
And my experience has been any time, like I kid
around with my friends, my friends, you know, it's funny.
My kids used to make fun of me when I
started out eight years ago doing martial arts. They made
fun of their dad. They were laughing. They don't laugh

(01:25:44):
anymore because I start, you know, messing around, especially with
my son. He's like, all right, all right, dad, all right, right,
all right, all right, all right, that's what you get.
And in handcuffs at least you'd have the opportunity to
try a couple of those moves. It's things that you're
probably familiar with. Usually you're right with painkillers. It might

(01:26:04):
be hard, but I have found even people in conditions
where maybe you think they don't feel it, they don't
feel that. And usually you know the feeling when people okay, okay, okay,
that reaction I completely understand. And that's honestly a natural
reaction that happens, and that's in a controlled environment. But honestly,
at that point, I argue it was controlled. He was

(01:26:26):
not resisting at that point, and he wasn't handcuffs. What
what I'm saying is you're you're doing it to your kid.
You're in an environment maybe in the gym, out on
the map. What I'm saying is you're not You're not
taking into consideration. I do it in the kitchen, I'll
do it in those bedroom. I'll do it where I
feel like, yeah, I know what I'm What I'm talking
about is the factors of narcotics, the factors that some

(01:26:47):
people don't feel payment. It's a very valid point. I'm
not disagree, but it's just one of those things you
have to make sure that you let your listeners know that.
Obviously it's an option you can try, but to say
that would of helped or got mister Floyd into whatever
situation is kind of a false narrative. You know he
was on the Well, there are other options. Let me

(01:27:08):
give you another quick option, because he's in handcuffs and
now he's compliant and he's not resisting anymore, which he
had stopped doing. And at that point in time, if
he's still not cooperating any in a vehicle, now you
have the ability to restrain his legs, and should leg
restraints on from the moment that he went to the ground.

(01:27:29):
Each one of those squad cars should have been equipped
with leg shackles. That should have been the first thing
that they do when they come across anybody who is intoxicated,
in an excited delirium state, who maybe drug and duce psychosis,
whatever those And obviously he was just and they should
have called in a van instead of putting him in
the back of a squad car, which is far more difficult.

(01:27:50):
They could have had a van open both doors and
the five cops that were there could have simultaneously lifted
him and put him in there very safely. The easiest
thing to do in situations is that, And they should
have had more officers there too if he's not being compliant.
But at the point is he should have been put
in a rescue position. He should have been given the
opportunity or what we call recovery position to relieve any

(01:28:14):
chance of a positional fixiation. Who is you know, upper
body to limit the oxygen and intake for a breeding
So let me ask you your experience. If I put
you in a rear naked choke and I lock it in,
how long do you think that you would be conscious? Well,
I'm actually it was a lot of askar neck restraint instructors,
So you're anywhere from three to seven seconds you can

(01:28:37):
go unconscious. The problem is you're not gonna put someone
unconscious who's restraining handcuffs. Okay, that's not part of them. No, no, no,
I'm not saying it is part. But my point is
I'm talking about the sensitivity of the neck and the vulnerability.
I mean what you're talking what I'm explaining is this
is the most vulnerable part of the human anatomy. Police
are taught that and they know if I would make

(01:28:59):
a if if God forbid, I find myself in a
confrontation and I need to defend myself and in self defense,
a targeted strike to the to the lower jaw into
the karated and I hit it, what are the odds
that person falls to the ground. Yeah, and that's the
issue that I have. That's a that's a question though.

(01:29:20):
What are the odds if I if that strike, targeted
strike is made and I'm trained, what are the odds
up person goes straight to the ground. Most likely we will,
but you know, and in and the you know, in fighting, Uh,
some people take some vicious hits. Some don't. Yeah, they
can agree. You hit anybody on the button, they'll go out. Uh.
Most officers, I'll tell you right now, do not have

(01:29:42):
the extensive mixed martial arts training to do anything outside
of what is a very narrowed policy honestly for the
actual tactics that they're trained. And a lot of that
is you're training to uh, the abilities of the people
that are there. And it's not a it's easy to
add all these other tactics and to say that these

(01:30:05):
options are available, but it's a completely different story to
try to implement those into the training program. The fact
of the matter is those officers were trained to prevent
what happened to George Floyd, and that shouldn't have happened.
That's just fact. I don't like to say it, you know,
but we have to hold ourselves accountable and others just
as much as we hold others accountable. Every cop I

(01:30:28):
know is angry because they feel like this is one
on one. They've all been taught what you're describing, and
they're all we all know the aftermath of this, and
it wasn't good for police. And there's a level of
frustration among cops that like this is to them so
basic and fundamental, and the options were so varied as

(01:30:49):
you're describing, including if, for example, a Cardagashi Rischlock didn't
the pain pills were able to transform him his ability
to even feel it. You know that, then the next option,
you're right, Then the leg restraints. Then you put them
in the back of a van. They had so many
other options, and to put them in a position where
you're not step putting the pressure on that most vulnerable

(01:31:12):
part of the human anatomy. I gotta run, though I
do appreciate what you do every day, and these are
important discussions to have, and I want to see cops
have additional training and other non lethal alternatives beyond that
stun gun, which I am not a fan of because
it has to be close quarters. You only get two
shots and if you miss, you know, then you only
have one other option. All right, that's gonna wrap things

(01:31:33):
up for today now on the dockhead for the Democratic Socialist.
Next week, DC statehood, the study of Packing the Supreme
Court reparations, all on the Democratic Socialist wish list, all
coming up next week. We'll help full coverage Hannity tonight
nine Eastern Fox News. We have the border covered, we
have all the radicalism of Joe and news you won't

(01:31:55):
get from the media mob. We'll see it tonight at nine.
Have a great weekend. Back here Monday. As always, thank
you for being with us. H

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