February 2, 2023 • 30 mins
Jordan Sekulow, Executive Director of the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) and student Patrick Murphy, discuss an incident from the woke agenda which has now invaded the Smithsonian.
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part of the program. Now, this is this is so outrageous.
What's going on now in terms of wokeness and political
correctness and we're bringing these stories all the time. Let
me tell you about this story now. It takes place
at the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum, and they
kicked out a dozen Catholic high school students and their
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chaperones for daring to wear a hat inscribed with pro
life messages. Anyway, this this just happened. This is fairly recent,
and you know, it's unbelievable to me. January twentieth, students
in aperons from the school Our Lady of the Rosary,
based out of Greenville, South Carolina, they traveled to Washington,
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d C. For the annual National March to Life. By
the way, it was during that March for Life that
that whole incident with Nicholas saman took place. Anyway, the
group members were all wearing matching blue hats with the
words rosary pro life. Is that so offensive? That's their
deeply held religious belief and conviction. I thought that we
had freedom of religion in this country anyway. The American
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Center for Law and Justice has now taken on this
case and they are representing the parents of some of
the students that were involved and rightly alleging in my view,
at the museum's staff mocked the students, hurled expletives, and
claimed that the museum was a neutral zone where political
or religious messages were not allowed. On Twitter, one of
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the mothers of the students said the group was approached
by a security guard who told them to either take
off the hat or leave the premises now. Her daughter
allegedly told the guard that they were wearing it to
identify and find one another in the crowd before they
were escorted out of the museum. Other people in the museum,
we're wearing all sorts of different hats as they were
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walking around the museum. Jordan's Seculo that he's the executive
director of the ACLJ. By the way, j Seculo's son
and protege, and he's just as good as his dad
in terms of a great legal mind. He said, this
is a clear and egregious abuse of the First Amendment,
which protects their right to freedom of speech without government interference,
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and we are already taking action. A government institution cannot
censor an individual's speech, must less speech from an inherently
Christian pro life position. Anyway, Seculo noted that the Smithsonian
Institution is a federal entity that receives upwards of a
billion dollars from the federal government each and every year,
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and the decision by the museum was an example of
outrageous and a porn discrimination. Anyway, spokesperson for the museum
released a statement about what transpired and said the incident
did not adhere to their policy or protocols. Asking visitors
to remove hats or clothing is not in keeping with
our policy or protocols. We provided immediate training to prevent
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a reoccurrence of this kind of incident, and we have
determined steps to ensure it never happens again, according to
Alison Wood, the Museum's deputy director of communications. Anyway, joining
us now to discuss all of this is Jordan's Seculo,
executive director of the ACLJ, the American Center for Law Injustice,
and student Patrick Murphy, who was there and live through this.
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Welcome both of you to the program. Hey Sean, Hey Patrick,
how are you? How old are you? Patrick? Good? How
are you? I'm eighteen years old. Okay. I like the
name Patrick. I like it so much I named my
own son Patrick. So anyway, thank you for joining us
as well. Let's get your side of what happened. You
were there, what happened? Yes, we had just got done
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with the March for Life at about three thirty pm.
We wanted to visit museums and we were tired, so
we didn't want to go too far, so we walked
to the Air and Space Museum and we got in
just fine. We weren't really harassed much at all, and
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we quickly zimmed around the museum about thirty minutes when
we ended up in the Wright Brothers exhibit. And at
this time, you know, Patrick, hang out. I'm going to
get a better line for you because we getting a
little bit of feedback in an echo. Let me get
to the legal side of this with Jordan's seculo. Jordan,
I mean what we're reading, what is being described here
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is nothing but pure discrimination. Yeah, it happened three different times.
So what Patrick said, the first time they went through,
they didn't think it was bizarre because they were going
through security and the security guardity to take your hats
off to go through security, so they didn't really take
that one at an issue. But that even that step
was not normal practice for the Smithsonian. When you go
through security, they don't mess with that. They don't care
if it's a religious hat, if it's a hat to identify.
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That's really normal for student groups in DC to have
something matching so that they can be identified and so
that they can stay together and people can see where
they are. But then the second time through is they're
going through, as he said an exhibit, the two more
security guards come up say you've got to take it off,
and by that they put their hats back on after
security because they noticed everybody else was wearing hats. It's
a freezing cold that day and it wasn't away and
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it looks like a winner hat, like a you know,
a ski hat, that's what it looks like. It's in
a bright blue so it's easily identifiable, says Rosary pro Life.
So so those security guards of the second incident say
take it off or leave one of the students actually
said I think I have a constitutional right to this,
and as they kind of again they didn't want a conflict.
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They were not protesting. They were just attending the museum
with their hats on it, so they weren't causing any
kind of stir. They get cursed that as they're walking
away with pretty strong, very strong language. Then ultimately they're
trying to leave and this is another security guard, so
now we're on our fifth guard makes an issue like
they're kicking them out. This all happened to a group
about twelve students and their chaperons who decided to visit
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that museum. Why we've got public sean where this is
not just to get this faisonian to say this against
our policies. By the way, legally with permits to do
their March for Life and then it may attend museums.
And for some reason that day, the security decided we're
going to target pro life speech. We're not gonna target
anybody else's hats, but we're going to target these pro
life students and act like that's that's our policies. This
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is somehow you can't have a religious or political message
on a hat at this fasonian. So we're not going
to let them get away. We're just saying we've retrained.
We want to know what the retraining is. What was
the trading before that led these officers to think this
was Okay, that's such a good question, Patrick, let's go
back to you. Now. These hats, as I understand, I
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have a picture of one in front of me. So
it was like a ski hat and a very bright
blue color, which would make it easy to easily identifiable.
So you all find each other, as you mentioned previously,
and it says Rosary pro life that was the main
reason for wearing it or was it also that you
were cold? And does it shouldn't matter anyway in my view? Oh,
it definitely shouldn't matter. It was rather cold, of course.
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Um it simply says Rosary on it, as as our school,
as our Lady of the Rosary Rosaries, a reference to
a Catholic prayer. And again everyone else in the museum,
including the guards, were wearing a hat, so we were
rather confused a person. Just moments prior m a few
people were walking past with pride gear all over themselves.
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And if if that's not breaking a neutral zone in fraction.
I don't know what is Well, that now raises the
stakes quite a bit Jason Jordan's seculo and as much
as if they're allowing other people to wear hats that
have a political point of view, well, that's very different
from the exact the reason were given the students for
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throwing them out, and at which they should. I mean,
you should be able to go into this pasonia off
the street. You don't need to be in a special
out there. We all pay for these museums. They weren't protesting,
they weren't causing an issue inside, So we're not saying
they weren't like coming and disrupting the museum. They just
had their hats on. So they should just be like,
if it's a pride hat, if it's another religious, if
it's a religious if you were going there, you get
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your yamacod. I don't think they would take tell someone
and take yabakof, or tell someone and take a burka
off going through security. So even that first step and
the fact that guards are using language like neutral zone,
they did not just come up with that. Okay, the
security guards that the Fasodia didn't come up with Legally's
like government neutrality zones which have a constitutional law case
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someone trade them, and it would it would appear to
be that they trade them on this day to look
for pro life students to say that you can't have
that message, don't worry about any other messages. So I mean,
these kids, they realized everybody had hats on. No, that
wasn't obviously a policy. People had hats with political messages.
They're happy to have their school day religious message at
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a pro life message. You can't go after either of those.
There's just these do trialities owe that is something again
made up, But there's no way those cards just came
up with that on their own, and it would have
happened again, three different incidents to the same student group
within this period of about thirty minutes. Quick break. We'll
come right back more with Jordan Seculo and Patrick Murphy
on this issue of kids wearing pro life hats being
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kicked out of this museum. Right, we continue our discussion
more with Jordan's Seculo with the ACLJ and student Patrick Murphy.
You know they were kicked out of the Smithsonian National
Air and Space Museum. Let me ask you about the
spokesperson for the museum quote asking visitors to remove hats
and clothing is not in keeping with our policy or protocols.
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We have provided a media training to prevent a reoccurrence
of this kind of event and have and have determined
the steps to ensure this never happens again. Alison, would
the museum's deputy direct Communications, what's your reaction or her statement?
It just doesn't go far enough. There's not an apology
there there. We don't know what the trading was, and
we don't believe this is an isolated incident. I mean,
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that's why I think they brought in these Smithsonian smokespeople.
It's not just the Air and Space folks people, because
we believe that this maybe it's something they were prepared for.
Maybe these security guards got it the wrong way. But
if they're coming up with these terms like neutral zone,
using that kind of language, cursing around some of these
students who are biders, and using that kind of language
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at all to intimidate them, to silence them, and they
ultimately kicked them out of a museum that they pay
for their taxpayer dollars than anyone who else with a
message or hat or some of the article of clothing
on they're not going there to protest. They were going
there to march. They were just going with their hats.
It's it should it shouldn't be an issue. But there's
there's more to this story than just letting them get
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away with an apology. And that's why these students are
starting to speak up and parents are starting to speak up, Sean,
because they know there's this bigger federal attack on pro
life speech, whether it's pro life pregnancy sitters or just
a simple beauty with the message. Well, that's a great
point already at the top. Finally, the FBI offered a
whopping twenty five thousand dollars for these pro life or
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emergency pregnancy centers that offer pro life counseling that have
been the victims in many cases of attacks people protesting
outside of Justice Kavanaugh's home. You and I both know
that we have laws against protesting in front of Judge's homes.
Nothing has been done to stop that. Patrick, let me
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ask you a question. Were you embarrassed? Was it a
scene when you and your group were being thrown out? Um, no, sir,
it wasn't entirely. There weren't very many people around. It
was the middle of a day of the day on
a Saturday where there were a lot of different events
going on, and I wouldn't say embarrassed. We were more
so distraught, taught off guard. We were exhausted from the
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whole day. And when he came up to us, the
man came up to us and said, you need to
remove these hats, he said the neutral zone. I said,
I'm sorry, sir, this is a violation of our First
Amendment rights and he said, no, no, no, that doesn't
apply here. And I was just so taken aback that
it wasn't a response. I was even expecting. I see
this stuff on the news all the time, but I
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never think it would it would happen to me. So
as we walk out um, which we were leaving when
he when he came up to us, we were just
on our way out anyway, he still said, he was like,
you don't need those hats on in order to walk out,
and we were just like, no, we're keeping the hats on. Goodbye,
and he said, have a nice day. So it was
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I was I was proud. I was proud to stand
up for the unborn at that moment. You know, it's
pretty amazing. I mean, you're a young man. You clearly
have a lot of character and principle and standing on
your principle and convictions without apologies. It's rare for kids
your age. And I know I'm speaking generally and broadly, Um,
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but there's a lot of pressure on kids to think
a certain way, act a certain way, and standing apart
and finding out where your heart and your real values
are and then and then standing on that ground is
it's often hard for kids that's eighteen years old. So
I really give you a lot of praise and applause
for that, Um, Jordan, where do you think this goes next?
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So we decided we're working with the students and obviously
that they've made the decision to fight back here, and
the next step is is there was there a bigger
policy that day? Obviously we want to know the trading.
We want to know the trading before and the trading
after that. They do reference in their in their statement
the apology directly to this student group, but also we
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think this is bigger. I mean, so what reason we're
going public is were you part of a group that
day that may have been told to take that off
or you can't wear this shirt, you can't wear that
hat because it's very common in Washington for all these
student groups. So this is not weird for Smiths Odia
security to see a group of young people all wearing
save colored shirt or had That's normal practice every day.
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Why are they coming up with First Amendment discussions with
young people neutral Zoe discussions. There's a gain security guards
don't come up identify each other as they go through
a big museum like that. We have a big group,
you have to protect everybody. Patrick, I think you got
a bright future. I don't know if law school's in
your future, but I think you'd be a good lawyer.
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Thank you for standing up and coming on the program.
And Jordan's always great to have you off eight hundred
and nine for one. Shawn on number if you want
to be a part of the program, will hit the
phones coming up straight ahead. Last night we had Kevin McCarthy,
the House Speaker, on talking about well number one, how
Republicans will do with the debt ceiling number two. I
asked him about Swalwell and Schiff off the Intel Committee
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and Congresswoman o'mar today and McCarthy had said they had
the votes to do this, and they did. The House
voted her off the Foreign Affairs Committee, and well, she's
not particularly happy about it, and nor is her fellow
squad member, Congresswoman to leave. And this is what she
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said as a result of this on the House floor. Desperation,
so desperate to distract the American people from their total
inability to govern, the GOP is now doing what it
is best at, weaponizing hate against a black, beautiful Muslim woman.
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Congresswoman Omarth lived experience as a refugee and a childhood
survivor of war. Should be welcomed on this committee. It
is needed. When you can't pass any bills that actually
improved the people's lives, they turned to Congress. They turn
Congress into a place of fear mongering hate. It is
so painful to watch. How ironic that the soul called
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lovers are personal freedom are now moving to censor Congresswoman
Omar In the same week they introduced a bill to
ban federal employees from engaging and censorship. Where are the
free speech warriors today? The hypocrisy is the obvious to
the American people. You are showing who you all are really.
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The gentlewoman's time has expired. Not be silence the gentlewoman's time.
The germ is expired, that our country is failing you
today through this chamber, the gentlewoman is no longer recognized
and the gentleman from Mississippi is recognized. Now, what's interesting
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about this is Congresswoman Omar, just like for example, Swalwell
has his friend, um, what was it, uh feng fang uh.
And then of course the congenital liar. You can't by
the way, you can't make some of the stuff up.
Adam Schiff, who's always full of shift, and Adam Shift
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a congenital liar. You know, what is the nature? Well,
what do you have on Donald Trump compromising Matadeos? What's
the nature of the compromise? Naked Trump picked naked Trump?
Has Vladimir seen this? But of course vladimissy complimized Matadio. Um,
that would be like trying to coordinate and work with
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the Russian or somebody thought was a Russian turned out
to be a prankster to get negative information on Donald Trump,
the very thing he says he was against. In the
case of Congresswoman Omar, remember she said it's all about
the Benjamin's baby, talking about official support of Israel, referring
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to nine to eleven where he lost two thousand, nine
hundred and seventy seven people and want more from the aftermath.
She referred to that as just something people did. He
some people did something. That was the exact quote she
stated at a town hall, I want to talk about
the political influence in this country that says it's okay
for people to push for allegiance to a foreign country.
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Then she said that Israel. In twenty twelve, she said,
Israel has hypnotize the world, and may Allah awaken the
people and help them see the evil doings of Israel,
drawing attention to the apartheid Israeli regime is far from
hating Jews anyway, we have, you know, a lot of
this on tape. Here's the best of Congress Homan Omar.
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And so when I see it's what you will institute
UM law that recognizes it as a as a as
a Jewish state and does not recognize um the other
religions that are that are living in it, and we
still uphold it as a democracy in the Middle East,
I almost chuckle because I know that if you know,
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we we see, we see that in any other society,
we would criticize it, we would call it out. We
do that to Iran, we do that to any other
place that sort of upholds its religion, and I see
that now happening with Saudi Arabia, and so I am
aggravated truly in those contradictions. You know, if you ask
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anybody in walking on the side of the street somewhere
in the middle of the world, they will tell you
America the great, but we don't live those values here.
And so that hypocrisy is one that I'm bothered by.
A lot of the policies that we have put in
place has kind of helped lead the devastation in Venezuela.
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When I talk about places like Sauri Arabia or you know,
is right Ial or even now with Venezuela, nobody wants
to face how the actions of the other people that
are involved in the world have contributed to the rise
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of the radicalization and the you know, the rise of
the terrorist acts. The thing that was interesting in the
class was every time the professor said Okada, he sort
of like his shoulders went up, and you know, Okada.
You know, hospital experts, you don't say America with an intensity.
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You don't say England with an intensity. You know you
don't you don't say um. The Army with an Intensity
Care was founded after nine eleven because they recognize that
some people did something. So I think the House did
the right thing today. Another promise kept by Republicans in
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Kevin McCarthy. Anyway, eight hundred nine for one Sean is
our number. If you want to be a part of
the program. You might recall in the last half hour
we had on Jordan's Secular with the acl J and
Patrick Murphy as student kicked out of the Smithsonian Air
and Space Museum because they were wearing basically ski hats
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with a pro life message on it, pro life Rosary
and talked about their school. They were there for the
March for Life. They got kicked out. But anyway, it's
amazing how people react to this. To me, the extremists
on the abortion issue are the ones that say, oh,
it's fine to have an abortion up to the last
second before birth, which by the way, happens to be
the position of many many Democrats. Now. Their answer during
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the last election was always the same, Well, I don't
think anybody the government doesn't belong in the room with
a woman and her doctor, Well, if the government doesn't
belong in the room, then stop making taxpayers pay for
abortions that goes against their conscience. Then, because you're putting
government right in the room now. And then you got
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groups like Planned Parenthood. They get a lot of money
from the government. That's where Preborn comes in, and they
are pro life group and they're in the business of
saving the lives of babies through the science of ultrasound.
In other words, unplanned pregnancy, maybe a woman considering abortion.
And what they're discovering is with the science of ultrasound,
which is way more sophisticated than when I had my kids.
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I mean, you could see almost everything, you know, fingers
and toes and pacial features, and you hear that heartbeat.
And what they're noticing is a lot of people make
the decision to go pro life by the use of science.
Now they don't get any government money at Preborn And
it costs twenty eight bucks for every ultrasound and you
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They've saved many using this science. Anyway, you can help
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and I think it's a great cause. They don't get
a penny from the government, not one cent anyway, eight
hundred nine four one sean. If you want to be
a part of the program, all right, let's get to
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our phones. Let us say hello to Robert. He's in
North Carolina. Robert, how are you glad you called? Thank
you very much, Sean. It's a pleasure to talk to you.
We've got great, great respect for you and your whole
news cadre at Fox News. Thank you, my friend, and
we can't do it without you. We appreciate you well.
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We appreciate what you guys do, and I think I
found a weakness in what you're doing. That's why I
am calling. I've been in the environmental health and safety
field in environmental terrorism for fifty five years. I'm a
chemical nucle engineer, and I was adjunct at Rensseler at
Hartford for thirty five years, teaching in both their School
of Engineering and School of Business. I am addressing the
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walkeness of the Green New Deal and the fact that
no one has looked at the environmental impact of the
war in Ukraine. If you take a look at the
environmental impact of what is going on there, and just
some basic facts like, for example, in an average armored
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vehicle tank uses a gallon of diesel fuel to go
eight tenths of a mile. EPA says the cars must
have twenty two plus miles per gallon a tank eight
tenths that A fifteen uses eleven hundred and fifty gallons
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of fuel an hour, and before they land, they dump
the fuel that they have in residual, so it's a
safe landing. Yet the federal EPA says to all of us,
if there is enough of a discharge of oil to
cause machine on a waterway, it must be reported to
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the EPA and it must be remediated. And I can
go on and on. There's a lot of it listen.
I'm listening to everything you're saying. And if there are
ways that won't compromise our military equipment and effectiveness in
our equipment, and we can a save money and be
you know, going to a war zone and finding fuel
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for all of the all the various equipment that you're
mentioning is not an easy task to deliver all of that,
So that would help on the logistics side of the issue.
I wouldn't be against it at all. I'm not against
my car having the same performance but getting more miles
per gallon and still performing at the level that I
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expected to perform at. And if somebody comes up with
a cheaper, better way for energy beyond oil, gas and coal,
and you know it's real and we can implement it
and it can simply replace the current model, why would
I be against saving money and helping the environment. You
know this big lie which is Republicans want dirty air
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and dirty water. I mean Barack Obama said it. Their
plan is for dirty air and dirty water. That would
be pretty stupid. I think we want our kids to
have clean air, clean water, clean environment. And the irony
is is that under Donald Trump, when we became energy independent,
we had the greatest reduction of greenhouse emissions reduction in
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the world, and that all happened under Donald Trump, so
while we were becoming energy independence. I'm not in disagreement
with you. I mean, the point I'm trying to make, though,
is if these people really want to save the planet,
and if these and these algories of the world want
to do something positive, they should be immediately saying the
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war should stop. Now. There's got to be a better way,
because we are not only killing people there, we are
going against the basic principles that we have been advocating.
This is the problem. And and for example, a lot
of the projectiles they're using contains spent uranium because it's
a hardener of the steel. I mean, there's so many things. Listen,
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I appreciate all that you're saying, but let me just
add one thing. The world is full of evil. We
need the biggest, baddest, meanest, toughest kick ass military on
the face of the earth, with the best and most
superior technologically advanced equipment to win wars. And my first
priority is not greenhouse emissions if I'm building weapons of war,
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but if it's a consideration that can be done and
doesn't impact the effectiveness of the weapon in question. I
have no problem with it, but I wish I wish
you weren't that way. Wish the world we're safer. Anyway,
I hope that answers your question. Appreciate your call. Long Island.
Phil is next on the Sean Hannity Show. What's up, Phil?
How are you? Yeah, I'm trying to My battery is
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going dead. Unfortunately I may get cut off. But I
want to talk to you about digital currency. Okay, what
about it? Well, if digital currency goes through, all these
elections and everything else are going to be absolutely meaningless.
And it's supposed to be. He signed an executive order
one zero six seven. If that executive order goes through,
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everybody will be monitored. There will be no cash, it
will all be digital. And nobody well, they're already moving
towards that now. I mean, remember that, I understand, but
nobody's talking about it. Everybody's worried about the politics of
the day. This is more important, I feel than the
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politics of the day, and nobody is talking about it.
Remember that they want to drop the suspicious activity reports
at the at your bank to six hundred bucks right now,
it's ten thousand. And by the way, when I take
out cash, because I like to use cash the old
fashioned way, I usually have a well, I occasionally carry cash.
I don't want the world to know I carry cash.
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But anyway, Um, but they they've already done that. This
is they want full complete control of your life. That's
what that is the great philosophical divide between conservatism and
liberalism and socialism and new Green dealism. That's where the
great divide is. Eight hundred nine Sea on our number.
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we have an audience show tonight. A lot of people
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And I'm a tough man. That's a tough audience. Right there,
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I don't. She was missing an earie. She was so
mad that I didn't tell her before she went on set. Anyway,
Dan Bongino Tonight, Daga McDowell, Jessica Guitarlof Horaldo Stephen A
Smith Tonight, and you'll hear this case about the Smithsonian
National Air and Space Museum kicked out a dozen Catholic
high school kids for wearing pro Life Winner hats. Big deal,
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part of the program. Now, this is this is so outrageous.
What's going on now in terms of wokeness and political
correctness and we're bringing these stories all the time. Let
me tell you about this story now. It takes place
at the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum, and they
kicked out a dozen Catholic high school students and their
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chaperones for daring to wear a hat inscribed with pro
life messages. Anyway, this this just happened. This is fairly recent,
and you know, it's unbelievable to me. January twentieth, students
in aperons from the school Our Lady of the Rosary,
based out of Greenville, South Carolina, they traveled to Washington,
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d C. For the annual National March to Life. By
the way, it was during that March for Life that
that whole incident with Nicholas saman took place. Anyway, the
group members were all wearing matching blue hats with the
words rosary pro life. Is that so offensive? That's their
deeply held religious belief and conviction. I thought that we
had freedom of religion in this country anyway. The American
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Center for Law and Justice has now taken on this
case and they are representing the parents of some of
the students that were involved and rightly alleging in my view,
at the museum's staff mocked the students, hurled expletives, and
claimed that the museum was a neutral zone where political
or religious messages were not allowed. On Twitter, one of
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the mothers of the students said the group was approached
by a security guard who told them to either take
off the hat or leave the premises now. Her daughter
allegedly told the guard that they were wearing it to
identify and find one another in the crowd before they
were escorted out of the museum. Other people in the museum,
we're wearing all sorts of different hats as they were
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walking around the museum. Jordan's Seculo that he's the executive
director of the ACLJ. By the way, j Seculo's son
and protege, and he's just as good as his dad
in terms of a great legal mind. He said, this
is a clear and egregious abuse of the First Amendment,
which protects their right to freedom of speech without government interference,
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and we are already taking action. A government institution cannot
censor an individual's speech, must less speech from an inherently
Christian pro life position. Anyway, Seculo noted that the Smithsonian
Institution is a federal entity that receives upwards of a
billion dollars from the federal government each and every year,
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and the decision by the museum was an example of
outrageous and a porn discrimination. Anyway, spokesperson for the museum
released a statement about what transpired and said the incident
did not adhere to their policy or protocols. Asking visitors
to remove hats or clothing is not in keeping with
our policy or protocols. We provided immediate training to prevent
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a reoccurrence of this kind of incident, and we have
determined steps to ensure it never happens again, according to
Alison Wood, the Museum's deputy director of communications. Anyway, joining
us now to discuss all of this is Jordan's Seculo,
executive director of the ACLJ, the American Center for Law Injustice,
and student Patrick Murphy, who was there and live through this.
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Welcome both of you to the program. Hey Sean, Hey Patrick,
how are you? How old are you? Patrick? Good? How
are you? I'm eighteen years old. Okay. I like the
name Patrick. I like it so much I named my
own son Patrick. So anyway, thank you for joining us
as well. Let's get your side of what happened. You
were there, what happened? Yes, we had just got done
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with the March for Life at about three thirty pm.
We wanted to visit museums and we were tired, so
we didn't want to go too far, so we walked
to the Air and Space Museum and we got in
just fine. We weren't really harassed much at all, and
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we quickly zimmed around the museum about thirty minutes when
we ended up in the Wright Brothers exhibit. And at
this time, you know, Patrick, hang out. I'm going to
get a better line for you because we getting a
little bit of feedback in an echo. Let me get
to the legal side of this with Jordan's seculo. Jordan,
I mean what we're reading, what is being described here
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is nothing but pure discrimination. Yeah, it happened three different times.
So what Patrick said, the first time they went through,
they didn't think it was bizarre because they were going
through security and the security guardity to take your hats
off to go through security, so they didn't really take
that one at an issue. But that even that step
was not normal practice for the Smithsonian. When you go
through security, they don't mess with that. They don't care
if it's a religious hat, if it's a hat to identify.
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That's really normal for student groups in DC to have
something matching so that they can be identified and so
that they can stay together and people can see where
they are. But then the second time through is they're
going through, as he said an exhibit, the two more
security guards come up say you've got to take it off,
and by that they put their hats back on after
security because they noticed everybody else was wearing hats. It's
a freezing cold that day and it wasn't away and
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it looks like a winner hat, like a you know,
a ski hat, that's what it looks like. It's in
a bright blue so it's easily identifiable, says Rosary pro Life.
So so those security guards of the second incident say
take it off or leave one of the students actually
said I think I have a constitutional right to this,
and as they kind of again they didn't want a conflict.
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They were not protesting. They were just attending the museum
with their hats on it, so they weren't causing any
kind of stir. They get cursed that as they're walking
away with pretty strong, very strong language. Then ultimately they're
trying to leave and this is another security guard, so
now we're on our fifth guard makes an issue like
they're kicking them out. This all happened to a group
about twelve students and their chaperons who decided to visit
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that museum. Why we've got public sean where this is
not just to get this faisonian to say this against
our policies. By the way, legally with permits to do
their March for Life and then it may attend museums.
And for some reason that day, the security decided we're
going to target pro life speech. We're not gonna target
anybody else's hats, but we're going to target these pro
life students and act like that's that's our policies. This
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is somehow you can't have a religious or political message
on a hat at this fasonian. So we're not going
to let them get away. We're just saying we've retrained.
We want to know what the retraining is. What was
the trading before that led these officers to think this
was Okay, that's such a good question, Patrick, let's go
back to you. Now. These hats, as I understand, I
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have a picture of one in front of me. So
it was like a ski hat and a very bright
blue color, which would make it easy to easily identifiable.
So you all find each other, as you mentioned previously,
and it says Rosary pro life that was the main
reason for wearing it or was it also that you
were cold? And does it shouldn't matter anyway in my view? Oh,
it definitely shouldn't matter. It was rather cold, of course.
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Um it simply says Rosary on it, as as our school,
as our Lady of the Rosary Rosaries, a reference to
a Catholic prayer. And again everyone else in the museum,
including the guards, were wearing a hat, so we were
rather confused a person. Just moments prior m a few
people were walking past with pride gear all over themselves.
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And if if that's not breaking a neutral zone in fraction.
I don't know what is Well, that now raises the
stakes quite a bit Jason Jordan's seculo and as much
as if they're allowing other people to wear hats that
have a political point of view, well, that's very different
from the exact the reason were given the students for
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throwing them out, and at which they should. I mean,
you should be able to go into this pasonia off
the street. You don't need to be in a special
out there. We all pay for these museums. They weren't protesting,
they weren't causing an issue inside, So we're not saying
they weren't like coming and disrupting the museum. They just
had their hats on. So they should just be like,
if it's a pride hat, if it's another religious, if
it's a religious if you were going there, you get
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your yamacod. I don't think they would take tell someone
and take yabakof, or tell someone and take a burka
off going through security. So even that first step and
the fact that guards are using language like neutral zone,
they did not just come up with that. Okay, the
security guards that the Fasodia didn't come up with Legally's
like government neutrality zones which have a constitutional law case
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someone trade them, and it would it would appear to
be that they trade them on this day to look
for pro life students to say that you can't have
that message, don't worry about any other messages. So I mean,
these kids, they realized everybody had hats on. No, that
wasn't obviously a policy. People had hats with political messages.
They're happy to have their school day religious message at
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a pro life message. You can't go after either of those.
There's just these do trialities owe that is something again
made up, But there's no way those cards just came
up with that on their own, and it would have
happened again, three different incidents to the same student group
within this period of about thirty minutes. Quick break. We'll
come right back more with Jordan Seculo and Patrick Murphy
on this issue of kids wearing pro life hats being
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kicked out of this museum. Right, we continue our discussion
more with Jordan's Seculo with the ACLJ and student Patrick Murphy.
You know they were kicked out of the Smithsonian National
Air and Space Museum. Let me ask you about the
spokesperson for the museum quote asking visitors to remove hats
and clothing is not in keeping with our policy or protocols.
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We have provided a media training to prevent a reoccurrence
of this kind of event and have and have determined
the steps to ensure this never happens again. Alison, would
the museum's deputy direct Communications, what's your reaction or her statement?
It just doesn't go far enough. There's not an apology
there there. We don't know what the trading was, and
we don't believe this is an isolated incident. I mean,
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that's why I think they brought in these Smithsonian smokespeople.
It's not just the Air and Space folks people, because
we believe that this maybe it's something they were prepared for.
Maybe these security guards got it the wrong way. But
if they're coming up with these terms like neutral zone,
using that kind of language, cursing around some of these
students who are biders, and using that kind of language
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at all to intimidate them, to silence them, and they
ultimately kicked them out of a museum that they pay
for their taxpayer dollars than anyone who else with a
message or hat or some of the article of clothing
on they're not going there to protest. They were going
there to march. They were just going with their hats.
It's it should it shouldn't be an issue. But there's
there's more to this story than just letting them get
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away with an apology. And that's why these students are
starting to speak up and parents are starting to speak up, Sean,
because they know there's this bigger federal attack on pro
life speech, whether it's pro life pregnancy sitters or just
a simple beauty with the message. Well, that's a great
point already at the top. Finally, the FBI offered a
whopping twenty five thousand dollars for these pro life or
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emergency pregnancy centers that offer pro life counseling that have
been the victims in many cases of attacks people protesting
outside of Justice Kavanaugh's home. You and I both know
that we have laws against protesting in front of Judge's homes.
Nothing has been done to stop that. Patrick, let me
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ask you a question. Were you embarrassed? Was it a
scene when you and your group were being thrown out? Um, no, sir,
it wasn't entirely. There weren't very many people around. It
was the middle of a day of the day on
a Saturday where there were a lot of different events
going on, and I wouldn't say embarrassed. We were more
so distraught, taught off guard. We were exhausted from the
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whole day. And when he came up to us, the
man came up to us and said, you need to
remove these hats, he said the neutral zone. I said,
I'm sorry, sir, this is a violation of our First
Amendment rights and he said, no, no, no, that doesn't
apply here. And I was just so taken aback that
it wasn't a response. I was even expecting. I see
this stuff on the news all the time, but I
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never think it would it would happen to me. So
as we walk out um, which we were leaving when
he when he came up to us, we were just
on our way out anyway, he still said, he was like,
you don't need those hats on in order to walk out,
and we were just like, no, we're keeping the hats on. Goodbye,
and he said, have a nice day. So it was
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I was I was proud. I was proud to stand
up for the unborn at that moment. You know, it's
pretty amazing. I mean, you're a young man. You clearly
have a lot of character and principle and standing on
your principle and convictions without apologies. It's rare for kids
your age. And I know I'm speaking generally and broadly, Um,
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but there's a lot of pressure on kids to think
a certain way, act a certain way, and standing apart
and finding out where your heart and your real values
are and then and then standing on that ground is
it's often hard for kids that's eighteen years old. So
I really give you a lot of praise and applause
for that, Um, Jordan, where do you think this goes next?
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So we decided we're working with the students and obviously
that they've made the decision to fight back here, and
the next step is is there was there a bigger
policy that day? Obviously we want to know the trading.
We want to know the trading before and the trading
after that. They do reference in their in their statement
the apology directly to this student group, but also we
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think this is bigger. I mean, so what reason we're
going public is were you part of a group that
day that may have been told to take that off
or you can't wear this shirt, you can't wear that
hat because it's very common in Washington for all these
student groups. So this is not weird for Smiths Odia
security to see a group of young people all wearing
save colored shirt or had That's normal practice every day.
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Why are they coming up with First Amendment discussions with
young people neutral Zoe discussions. There's a gain security guards
don't come up identify each other as they go through
a big museum like that. We have a big group,
you have to protect everybody. Patrick, I think you got
a bright future. I don't know if law school's in
your future, but I think you'd be a good lawyer.
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Thank you for standing up and coming on the program.
And Jordan's always great to have you off eight hundred
and nine for one. Shawn on number if you want
to be a part of the program, will hit the
phones coming up straight ahead. Last night we had Kevin McCarthy,
the House Speaker, on talking about well number one, how
Republicans will do with the debt ceiling number two. I
asked him about Swalwell and Schiff off the Intel Committee
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and Congresswoman o'mar today and McCarthy had said they had
the votes to do this, and they did. The House
voted her off the Foreign Affairs Committee, and well, she's
not particularly happy about it, and nor is her fellow
squad member, Congresswoman to leave. And this is what she
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said as a result of this on the House floor. Desperation,
so desperate to distract the American people from their total
inability to govern, the GOP is now doing what it
is best at, weaponizing hate against a black, beautiful Muslim woman.
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Congresswoman Omarth lived experience as a refugee and a childhood
survivor of war. Should be welcomed on this committee. It
is needed. When you can't pass any bills that actually
improved the people's lives, they turned to Congress. They turn
Congress into a place of fear mongering hate. It is
so painful to watch. How ironic that the soul called
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lovers are personal freedom are now moving to censor Congresswoman
Omar In the same week they introduced a bill to
ban federal employees from engaging and censorship. Where are the
free speech warriors today? The hypocrisy is the obvious to
the American people. You are showing who you all are really.
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The gentlewoman's time has expired. Not be silence the gentlewoman's time.
The germ is expired, that our country is failing you
today through this chamber, the gentlewoman is no longer recognized
and the gentleman from Mississippi is recognized. Now, what's interesting
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about this is Congresswoman Omar, just like for example, Swalwell
has his friend, um, what was it, uh feng fang uh.
And then of course the congenital liar. You can't by
the way, you can't make some of the stuff up.
Adam Schiff, who's always full of shift, and Adam Shift
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a congenital liar. You know, what is the nature? Well,
what do you have on Donald Trump compromising Matadeos? What's
the nature of the compromise? Naked Trump picked naked Trump?
Has Vladimir seen this? But of course vladimissy complimized Matadio. Um,
that would be like trying to coordinate and work with
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the Russian or somebody thought was a Russian turned out
to be a prankster to get negative information on Donald Trump,
the very thing he says he was against. In the
case of Congresswoman Omar, remember she said it's all about
the Benjamin's baby, talking about official support of Israel, referring
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to nine to eleven where he lost two thousand, nine
hundred and seventy seven people and want more from the aftermath.
She referred to that as just something people did. He
some people did something. That was the exact quote she
stated at a town hall, I want to talk about
the political influence in this country that says it's okay
for people to push for allegiance to a foreign country.
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Then she said that Israel. In twenty twelve, she said,
Israel has hypnotize the world, and may Allah awaken the
people and help them see the evil doings of Israel,
drawing attention to the apartheid Israeli regime is far from
hating Jews anyway, we have, you know, a lot of
this on tape. Here's the best of Congress Homan Omar.
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And so when I see it's what you will institute
UM law that recognizes it as a as a as
a Jewish state and does not recognize um the other
religions that are that are living in it, and we
still uphold it as a democracy in the Middle East,
I almost chuckle because I know that if you know,
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we we see, we see that in any other society,
we would criticize it, we would call it out. We
do that to Iran, we do that to any other
place that sort of upholds its religion, and I see
that now happening with Saudi Arabia, and so I am
aggravated truly in those contradictions. You know, if you ask
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anybody in walking on the side of the street somewhere
in the middle of the world, they will tell you
America the great, but we don't live those values here.
And so that hypocrisy is one that I'm bothered by.
A lot of the policies that we have put in
place has kind of helped lead the devastation in Venezuela.
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When I talk about places like Sauri Arabia or you know,
is right Ial or even now with Venezuela, nobody wants
to face how the actions of the other people that
are involved in the world have contributed to the rise
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of the radicalization and the you know, the rise of
the terrorist acts. The thing that was interesting in the
class was every time the professor said Okada, he sort
of like his shoulders went up, and you know, Okada.
You know, hospital experts, you don't say America with an intensity.
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You don't say England with an intensity. You know you
don't you don't say um. The Army with an Intensity
Care was founded after nine eleven because they recognize that
some people did something. So I think the House did
the right thing today. Another promise kept by Republicans in
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Kevin McCarthy. Anyway, eight hundred nine for one Sean is
our number. If you want to be a part of
the program. You might recall in the last half hour
we had on Jordan's Secular with the acl J and
Patrick Murphy as student kicked out of the Smithsonian Air
and Space Museum because they were wearing basically ski hats
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with a pro life message on it, pro life Rosary
and talked about their school. They were there for the
March for Life. They got kicked out. But anyway, it's
amazing how people react to this. To me, the extremists
on the abortion issue are the ones that say, oh,
it's fine to have an abortion up to the last
second before birth, which by the way, happens to be
the position of many many Democrats. Now. Their answer during
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the last election was always the same, Well, I don't
think anybody the government doesn't belong in the room with
a woman and her doctor, Well, if the government doesn't
belong in the room, then stop making taxpayers pay for
abortions that goes against their conscience. Then, because you're putting
government right in the room now. And then you got
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groups like Planned Parenthood. They get a lot of money
from the government. That's where Preborn comes in, and they
are pro life group and they're in the business of
saving the lives of babies through the science of ultrasound.
In other words, unplanned pregnancy, maybe a woman considering abortion.
And what they're discovering is with the science of ultrasound,
which is way more sophisticated than when I had my kids.
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I mean, you could see almost everything, you know, fingers
and toes and pacial features, and you hear that heartbeat.
And what they're noticing is a lot of people make
the decision to go pro life by the use of science.
Now they don't get any government money at Preborn And
it costs twenty eight bucks for every ultrasound and you
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can sponsor one if you wanted to sponsor five. One
is twenty eight bucks. Five is one hundred and forty
and you can help rescue five babies lives. Their goals
to save you one hundred thousand babies lives this year alone.
They've saved many using this science. Anyway, you can help
it happen. One hundred percent of your donation will go
to saving babies. You can don't securely just I'll pound
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two fifty, say the keyword baby. I'll be donating myself
pound two fifty, keyword baby. Or go to their website
that's preborn dot com slash sean preborn dot com slash sean,
and I think it's a great cause. They don't get
a penny from the government, not one cent anyway, eight
hundred nine four one sean. If you want to be
a part of the program, all right, let's get to
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our phones. Let us say hello to Robert. He's in
North Carolina. Robert, how are you glad you called? Thank
you very much, Sean. It's a pleasure to talk to you.
We've got great, great respect for you and your whole
news cadre at Fox News. Thank you, my friend, and
we can't do it without you. We appreciate you well.
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We appreciate what you guys do, and I think I
found a weakness in what you're doing. That's why I
am calling. I've been in the environmental health and safety
field in environmental terrorism for fifty five years. I'm a
chemical nucle engineer, and I was adjunct at Rensseler at
Hartford for thirty five years, teaching in both their School
of Engineering and School of Business. I am addressing the
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walkeness of the Green New Deal and the fact that
no one has looked at the environmental impact of the
war in Ukraine. If you take a look at the
environmental impact of what is going on there, and just
some basic facts like, for example, in an average armored
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vehicle tank uses a gallon of diesel fuel to go
eight tenths of a mile. EPA says the cars must
have twenty two plus miles per gallon a tank eight
tenths that A fifteen uses eleven hundred and fifty gallons
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of fuel an hour, and before they land, they dump
the fuel that they have in residual, so it's a
safe landing. Yet the federal EPA says to all of us,
if there is enough of a discharge of oil to
cause machine on a waterway, it must be reported to
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the EPA and it must be remediated. And I can
go on and on. There's a lot of it listen.
I'm listening to everything you're saying. And if there are
ways that won't compromise our military equipment and effectiveness in
our equipment, and we can a save money and be
you know, going to a war zone and finding fuel
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for all of the all the various equipment that you're
mentioning is not an easy task to deliver all of that,
So that would help on the logistics side of the issue.
I wouldn't be against it at all. I'm not against
my car having the same performance but getting more miles
per gallon and still performing at the level that I
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expected to perform at. And if somebody comes up with
a cheaper, better way for energy beyond oil, gas and coal,
and you know it's real and we can implement it
and it can simply replace the current model, why would
I be against saving money and helping the environment. You
know this big lie which is Republicans want dirty air
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and dirty water. I mean Barack Obama said it. Their
plan is for dirty air and dirty water. That would
be pretty stupid. I think we want our kids to
have clean air, clean water, clean environment. And the irony
is is that under Donald Trump, when we became energy independent,
we had the greatest reduction of greenhouse emissions reduction in
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the world, and that all happened under Donald Trump, so
while we were becoming energy independence. I'm not in disagreement
with you. I mean, the point I'm trying to make, though,
is if these people really want to save the planet,
and if these and these algories of the world want
to do something positive, they should be immediately saying the
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war should stop. Now. There's got to be a better way,
because we are not only killing people there, we are
going against the basic principles that we have been advocating.
This is the problem. And and for example, a lot
of the projectiles they're using contains spent uranium because it's
a hardener of the steel. I mean, there's so many things. Listen,
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I appreciate all that you're saying, but let me just
add one thing. The world is full of evil. We
need the biggest, baddest, meanest, toughest kick ass military on
the face of the earth, with the best and most
superior technologically advanced equipment to win wars. And my first
priority is not greenhouse emissions if I'm building weapons of war,
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but if it's a consideration that can be done and
doesn't impact the effectiveness of the weapon in question. I
have no problem with it, but I wish I wish
you weren't that way. Wish the world we're safer. Anyway,
I hope that answers your question. Appreciate your call. Long Island.
Phil is next on the Sean Hannity Show. What's up, Phil?
How are you? Yeah, I'm trying to My battery is
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going dead. Unfortunately I may get cut off. But I
want to talk to you about digital currency. Okay, what
about it? Well, if digital currency goes through, all these
elections and everything else are going to be absolutely meaningless.
And it's supposed to be. He signed an executive order
one zero six seven. If that executive order goes through,
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everybody will be monitored. There will be no cash, it
will all be digital. And nobody well, they're already moving
towards that now. I mean, remember that, I understand, but
nobody's talking about it. Everybody's worried about the politics of
the day. This is more important, I feel than the
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politics of the day, and nobody is talking about it.
Remember that they want to drop the suspicious activity reports
at the at your bank to six hundred bucks right now,
it's ten thousand. And by the way, when I take
out cash, because I like to use cash the old
fashioned way, I usually have a well, I occasionally carry cash.
I don't want the world to know I carry cash.
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But anyway, Um, but they they've already done that. This
is they want full complete control of your life. That's
what that is the great philosophical divide between conservatism and
liberalism and socialism and new Green dealism. That's where the
great divide is. Eight hundred nine Sea on our number.
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You want to be a part of the programming, right,
that's gonna wrap things up at today. By the way,
we have an audience show tonight. A lot of people
seem to like the audience show. By the way, did
you see Velma gave me a d on last night show?
And I'm a tough man. That's a tough audience. Right there,
we actually face Timber for the first time. I can't
believe I got it. I'm going down. At least you
have both earrings. I didn't see the earrings. I'm why
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would you remember that the first time you came on? No,
I don't. She was missing an earie. She was so
mad that I didn't tell her before she went on set. Anyway,
Dan Bongino Tonight, Daga McDowell, Jessica Guitarlof Horaldo Stephen A
Smith Tonight, and you'll hear this case about the Smithsonian
National Air and Space Museum kicked out a dozen Catholic
high school kids for wearing pro Life Winner hats. Big deal,
(30:25):
and you pay a billion dollars a year about that
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