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June 23, 2025 • 32 mins
Another Match Game Winner! We also chat with Lawyer Katherine Loftus about the outcome of the Karen Read Trial
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Lisa in the morning on kisait.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Hey, guys, so welcome back and a happy Monday.

Speaker 3 (00:04):
Time to play the make a Match game, which means
we need a caller twenty five at six one seven, nine, three.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
One one one eight And while we wait.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
For Calle twenty five, we got a lot of prizes
up on that board. This is an incredible and by
the way, Hozier has Fenway Park tonight tomorrow night.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hozier tickets are up.

Speaker 4 (00:23):
It's on the board, one thousand dollars visa gift card
the Flyway. We just played Gracy Abrams. You'll see you're
in La. See your here, Tate McCrae, bentson boone, which
is one of the hottest shows this summer.

Speaker 5 (00:32):
Yeah, we're gonna start giving away some of these prizes.
I know week two for sure. I don't know if
has Hozier been picked Gyent, I don't.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
I don't think so. Nope, I'm looking at the board.

Speaker 5 (00:42):
This cound be complete.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Luck. Yeah, last minute tickets. How cool would that be?
People are already camped outside Fenway Park.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
For hose And this game is easy to play because
all you need to be is caller twenty five. You
pick two numbers. Those numbers match the prize, you win
the prize.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, yeah, I know.

Speaker 5 (00:58):
We were off Thursday and Friday hit pause on the
on the match game just because we were off, you know,
and people.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Were messaging in DMA they couldn't wait for today.

Speaker 6 (01:06):
Oh it's pent up to me.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Yeah, well, today's the day, and hopefully we get somebody
that's been paying attention to what has been revealed and
what has not been revealed exactly.

Speaker 7 (01:14):
All right, good morning, justin Billy, Alisha, any Winnie.

Speaker 8 (01:20):
So I just wanted to call in and share.

Speaker 7 (01:21):
On Friday, I celebrated eighteen years clean.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:25):
What a gift.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (01:27):
And while my menopausal must sprain doesn't allow me just
to remember why I walk.

Speaker 7 (01:30):
Into the rooms, I know exactly.

Speaker 9 (01:32):
Where I was eighteen years ago.

Speaker 6 (01:35):
And I am so grateful for the gift of recovery.
And it's wonderful to hear a taste of it on
your show.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
So I love you guys.

Speaker 5 (01:42):
Well, congratulations, Yeah, teen years Today is June twenty third. Yes,
if I make it till tomorrow, I will have seventeen
years clean.

Speaker 6 (01:53):
Wow. You're going to make it?

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah, hopefully. Oh, I think you're going to make it hopefully.

Speaker 5 (01:58):
Yeah, yeah, one day at a time for you. But
oh yeah, amazing, amazing. All right, I think we have
a caller twenty five.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
All right, it didn't take long.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
Like I said, people have been anxious all weekend waiting
for the Mega Match Game to come back.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Who have we got winning?

Speaker 9 (02:11):
Michelle from Revere.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
All right, let's go to Michelle. Good morning, Michelle, Hi,
good morning. All right, Michelle, I got to know. Have
you been paying attention to the Mega Match game?

Speaker 8 (02:21):
Oh my god, I have a typed up list and everything.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Oh awesome, we go awesome. All right, let's go. Let's
play justin.

Speaker 5 (02:27):
It's time to play just want Away.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
And Michelle, you gotta love a little behind the scenes. Okay.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
As soon as we hit that game song, right there,
Lisa jumps out of her chair, picks up her game
show microphone and she's standing by the board and Michelle,
she's waiting for you.

Speaker 8 (02:46):
I am okay, Hi, Lisa.

Speaker 5 (02:49):
Hi, okayat big Schelle.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Come on, Michelle, give it to me. Let's get a winner.

Speaker 8 (02:58):
Let's go.

Speaker 7 (03:00):
I know I just won't let them right, all right, number.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
The notes work for you, Michelle.

Speaker 8 (03:09):
Oh, thank god, thank god, thank god.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
This is amazing. Oh my goodness.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
You know we love it, Michelle, because clearly you're a
serious player. Uh, this is like a slot machine.

Speaker 8 (03:19):
I don't usually play the games because I never win
and I get tired of trying. But this time I said,
I'm just going to keep trying.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah, you can't.

Speaker 5 (03:26):
You can't have that mentality if you if you don't play,
you don't win.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Morgan Walland this is gonna be a full day experience.
Oh yeah, Michelle, this is a big show. All right.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Congratulations, Please do not hang out because when he's going
to give you all the instructions.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (03:47):
So that was really great. So Morgan Walland just kicked
off his tour and he does this thing where he
brings out he walks out with different celebrities, different ones
every night. Yeah, he walked out with Drake this weekend
and Roger Clemens.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Oh wow, in Texas.

Speaker 5 (04:05):
I believe it.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Rodgers from Texas. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (04:09):
Yeah, So who knows he'll who he'll walk out with
when it comes to July, Lavercraft, it could be it
could be could be Tom Brady, Yeah.

Speaker 9 (04:17):
Could be Tom Brady. I think he has done a
walk out with him somewhere.

Speaker 5 (04:20):
I think he has too. He's not everyone, Patrick Mahomes,
so you never know. So anyway, twelve ten is your
next shot at the Mega match game. A lot of
good prizes up for grabs. But coming up next, guys,
we have something we have to address here. Something was
mailed to us to the show, to the Billy and
Lisa Show. If you guys don't know what it is,
what is it, well, you'll find it all morning.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
So justin a few minutes ago, you said we got
some sort of a package or letter or a message
or something.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
What's going on?

Speaker 5 (04:47):
I guess you could say an invitation. I didn't know
if any of you guys had plans on Saturday, July
twenty sixth. I know that's a ways away. Yeah, but
if you don't, we've been invited to a wedding.

Speaker 6 (05:03):
Oh that's nice. He's getting married a.

Speaker 5 (05:05):
Couple of our listeners.

Speaker 9 (05:07):
Nice.

Speaker 5 (05:07):
I don't know them, but it's Anna and Alex. They're
getting married on Saturday, July twenty sixth. They're gonna have
a ceremony in Newton and a reception in Brookline. Oh
and where invited. They send a beautiful picture of the
two of them with kiss one to eight shirts on nice.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, so I don't know. What do you think?

Speaker 6 (05:27):
Congratulations?

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, there's no chance Bill's going Yeah, how about we
do this?

Speaker 3 (05:32):
How about we welcome them onto the show leading up
to their wedding and they could talk about it and
you know, we'll congratulate them that.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Way, as opposed to actually going to the wedding. Yeah,
I can't be going to a wedding. It's a boat season.

Speaker 5 (05:46):
I mean it's early, respect, it's six o'clock. Very happy
for them. I'm sure they would be happy to come on.

Speaker 6 (05:52):
I think yeah, I think they should call or come
on now.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
We'll bring them in studio. We'll have a cake. We're
going to bring them in now.

Speaker 9 (05:58):
He's promising cake at seven in the morning.

Speaker 6 (06:01):
Wedding cake.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Yeah, we'll have a pre wedding cake or maybe a
couple of croiss Listen.

Speaker 9 (06:08):
I hate when we do this because he's going to
make promises he won't keep, doesn't want to keep.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
Look them in the studio on the show to congratulate.
Were kind enough to invite us?

Speaker 5 (06:18):
Congratulations of course? Yes?

Speaker 2 (06:20):
And what are their names again?

Speaker 5 (06:21):
Alex and Anna?

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Alex and Anna?

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Congratulations And we can't wait to have you in studio
to celebrate your wedding.

Speaker 5 (06:28):
And I like how Alex the name is spelled with
an I L I X the leaks. Yeah, and the
picture on the back of the imitations really, I'll show
it to you, guys. But it's a kind of a cute,
fun pick of them staring at each other with a
little smirk on their face. Okay, So I apparently the
listeners of our show of our radio station and they
thought to invite us, which was nice.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
That's very nice of them. Yeah, we have to where
are they're from there?

Speaker 5 (06:51):
I'm not sure. The wedding is in Brookline, newk in Brookline, actually.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, big deal.

Speaker 5 (06:58):
So the ceremonies at five o'clock Newton and then the
receptions that's six in Brookline.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, that's not bad.

Speaker 9 (07:04):
The next neighboring towns.

Speaker 5 (07:06):
Yeah, shouldn't. Shouldn't be the traffic shouldn't be that bad,
all right? So do we have to get him a
wedding gift because we were Wait, let me say you.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Should give a gift if you were invited to a wedding,
whether you attend or not. The only exception is if
the invitation is from a non relative whom you rarely see,
in which case you may simply send your best wishes.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
Well, best wishes, best wishes Billy and Lisa, hoodie or something.

Speaker 9 (07:29):
Yeah, only one do they split it?

Speaker 5 (07:32):
Oh, now we need to because they're wearing kiss want
to wait shirts in their picture that they sent.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Us, so best wishes and again, what's their name?

Speaker 5 (07:39):
Alex and Anna?

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Alex and Anna and we'll have you on the show
and yeah, there you go.

Speaker 5 (07:44):
Yeah, what Billy's trying to say.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
Is nobody wants to go to your wedding. I don't
even go to family weddings.

Speaker 6 (07:52):
Yeah, you really don't.

Speaker 5 (07:53):
That's the issue with Billy is rightly, he's turned down
so many weddings, including family and close friends, that he
can't say to any wedding because it would look bad
to the previous weddings that he declined.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
Right, well, you can't say, yes, he didn't go to
We had a phone, you know, basically a producer riot
position years ago, and all of us went to the
wedding except for Billy.

Speaker 9 (08:14):
Imagine Billy wouldn't go to my wedding.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
I told you I wouldn't, but I would give you
three times what the gift would have been.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
Beck who used to work. Yeah, he said. He gave
her three times the amount he would have given her
if he did not have to go to the West.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Because here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Okay, nobody wants to go to your wedding and they
don't really want you at their wedding.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
They just want the gift. Just send me money. Okay,
so this works.

Speaker 9 (08:42):
So you know what, Bill, You're right, it does. Worries Lion.
You'll take your money any day.

Speaker 5 (08:46):
It would actually would be fun to go to this
random wedding show up and just well you go.

Speaker 9 (08:55):
I can't go. It's like it's a weekend.

Speaker 5 (08:58):
It's a weekend, Saturday. It's a Saturday night.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Not leaving New Hampshire. What are you even pretending for?

Speaker 5 (09:03):
I would go if everybody will.

Speaker 9 (09:05):
You know what least you know I love about this
is that the two of them are suggesting it, and
Lisa and I will be the two that go because
we'll feel bad because Austin and Billy promised that they
were thone would go, and Lisa and I will end
up going.

Speaker 6 (09:16):
Having Yeah, aware.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Always she feels like she has to go.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
To anything because I know, but I do like I
show up.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yes, So what you're saying, is you'll go to the wedding.

Speaker 6 (09:28):
I cannot go to this wedding.

Speaker 5 (09:31):
Yeah, I can't go because it's it's July, and you
know where I'll be at the beach standing on business. Brother,
don't clock me anyway. Congratulations to Anna and Alix. We
sincerely appreciate it. Reach out to me. We'll get you
on the show and talk about it.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
Oh man, we're coming up in entertainment right. We got
a lot going on. Thunder are the NBA champions. We're
gonna hear from the series MVP. He was talking early
this morning. We'll have some of that. Hozier is out
at Fenway Park tonight. Beyonce pulled jay Z up on
stage at a show this weekend. That doesn't happen often.
A lot to talk about. It's coming up next ten

(10:07):
By with Billy and Lisa in the morning on Kiss
one Away, Boston's number one hit music stations. Hey Lisa,
Hey Lisa Benson Boone know you were in Iceland now
he does Matt Damon was.

Speaker 4 (10:20):
There when you were an Okay, I want to mention
this because this is part of the entertainment report coming up.
They're filming the odyssey with Zendeia, with Tom Holland and
Matt Damon.

Speaker 6 (10:30):
It's a Christopher Nolan project.

Speaker 5 (10:31):
Yeah, that's the one Damon. You might have seen the pictures.
He has the big beard. Yeah, and he is ripped
beyond believe.

Speaker 6 (10:37):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
They're there for two weeks and I saw their whole
setup when we were leaving.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
That's so cool. Wow, so cool. Justin squeeze in the
talk back.

Speaker 5 (10:46):
Well, you know, jose Air is going to be a
Fenway tonight and tomorrow. It's gonna be hot out there.
But jose Air's on the match games. A lot of
questions about that.

Speaker 7 (10:53):
What are you going to do with those Hosier Friendway
tickets for the match game?

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Last time with the match game?

Speaker 9 (10:58):
The Hosier tickets for the ask one, that's one won.

Speaker 8 (11:02):
Just give him the me do you.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Say call it twenty five right now? Win?

Speaker 8 (11:04):
But secretly you have me on hold.

Speaker 9 (11:06):
I won't tell people. It'll be our little piece.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
We do it if we could.

Speaker 5 (11:11):
But yeah, I'm sure they'll find a way to give
them away somehow. Maybe I don't know, but yeah, someone's
gotta win them today or tomorrow. Twelve ten is your
next shot? Then three ten and then tomorrow eight ten, twelve, ten,
three ten. You see the pattern here, Yes, it's the
Mega Match game.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yeah. Yeah, we had a winter this morning to Morgan Wallin. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:29):
By the way, Bill, can you button that top button
of your shirt there, because that's old school. Yeah, you
gotta button it up. That's the Tom Brady look here
you go.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
That's the way he was dressed for the Fanatics fast
this weekend with my son, and you know what I
was Ryan Reynolds and his new commercials as the button
down shirt with the top button buttons that.

Speaker 5 (11:48):
Lisa, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (11:49):
I don't like it. All I know is I don't
like it.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Okay, off it go.

Speaker 6 (11:53):
Yeah. I like to see a.

Speaker 9 (11:54):
Little a little chest, a little chest.

Speaker 6 (11:57):
Tom's doing a little something something.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Can't come on, hello,
come on in, come on.

Speaker 9 (12:03):
Button baby now.

Speaker 7 (12:05):
The entertainment updates with the Billy constant.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
Ah the Oklahoma City Thunder for the first time, are
waking up NBA champions this morning.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Here was the final call, Bun.

Speaker 8 (12:17):
I'm taking the NBA by storm for the first time.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
The NBA Champion resides at Oklahoma City. The story Book.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
Season is complete Yeah, Series MVP Shay Gildos Alexander on
gm A this morning.

Speaker 10 (12:31):
Yeah, it's hard for me to even wrap my head around.
But it just goes to show like when you work hard,
when you focus on the right things, when you take
care of the right things, and you stick with that
program for a certain amount of time, you can you
can achieve anything. And most appointingly, when you dream and
go after it, that anything is possible.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah, it's funny.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
We see the player interviews or early this morning, you
can see that were kind of hungover from last night.
And I thought it was hilarious that the Thunder is
such a young team. They couldn't figure out how to
open the champagne in the locker room.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
They had to Google. They literally had a Google. Guy,
I don't get it. How do you do this? What's that?
That is so cute?

Speaker 3 (13:11):
And Thunder coach Mark Dinatt is from Lemonster Mass and
he's a world champion.

Speaker 5 (13:15):
He behaved like champions.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
They compete like champions.

Speaker 5 (13:20):
No, they root for each other's success, which is rare
in professional sports. I've said it many times. I'm gonna
say one more time. This is an uncommon team and
nowther champions.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah, they sure are.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
By the way, he went to Lemonster High School, went
on to Yukon to serve as a team manager. Now
he's an NBA champion.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (13:36):
A not so fun fact about last night's game in
the playoffs in general, So Tyrese Haliburton, Yeah, looks like
he tore his achilles. Three players tore their achilles this playoffs.
This NBA playoffs. Damian Lillard, Tyrese Halliburton, and Jason Tatum.
All three were the number zero. What's going on?

Speaker 9 (13:58):
I will say if I'm a player, they always lobbied
for shorter seasons because the playoffs are so long. That's
not so when you have three big guys go out
in the playoffs, that this is too long of a season.

Speaker 5 (14:09):
There's also theories around the sneakers because years ago you'd
never heard about achilles high cuts. Yeah, this theory is
about that too.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Sucks. Sucks.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
Red Sox lost to the Giants yesterday nine five. Hozier
comes to Fenway Park tonight and tomorrow night. It's gonna
be hot. But again a reminder of the Mega match
game twelve ten and two ten or three ten three
ten three ten. This afternoon, you get a shot at
possible Hozier tickets, last minute tickets.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Nickelodeon Kids Choice Awards happened over the weekend.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
Rihanna got the Icon Award and sent a video message,
thank you all.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
So much for this incredible award.

Speaker 11 (14:46):
I am beyond honors if you named your twenty twenty
five icon.

Speaker 6 (14:50):
This is obviously a big deal for me.

Speaker 11 (14:53):
And I just want to take this moment to remind
all of you that wherever you are right now is
significant and crucial to where you are about to go
on your space in this world, and know that you
are chosen for greatness.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
I may have invented that wherever you go, there you
are there.

Speaker 5 (15:15):
You are so funny, you do say that she stole
your line.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Hey, remember Katie Perry in her rocket ride. I think
we ever talking about it here.

Speaker 9 (15:24):
I'm going to space now to explore something way bigger
than me, and I'm just so interested in astrophysics and
just the engineering of it all and the unknown. I'm
a constant seeker.

Speaker 4 (15:38):
It's interesting because maybe he didn't want her to go
because they have a child together, and I remember one
of the stories is that she did. Her daughter Daisy
did make it too. When they lifted off, but supposedly
she wasn't supposed to be there.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
Yeah, her ex husband door Landel Bloom says it was
an embarrassment to the whole family.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
There's stupid rock.

Speaker 9 (15:55):
Did he really say that? Is Billy paraphrasing?

Speaker 2 (15:57):
No, no, no, no, it's I can show you the story.

Speaker 5 (16:00):
Okay, there are reports.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
Yeah, it must be nice to see Orlando Bloom.

Speaker 9 (16:07):
Well, he seems very humble.

Speaker 6 (16:08):
You don't really hear he's really cute, very cute.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
Something's going on between those two, you know, Orlando Bloom
and Katy Perry.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
I mean, this has been simmering for a while between them.

Speaker 6 (16:19):
She's had a couple, like a tough couple of years.

Speaker 5 (16:22):
Her album flopped four kind of flops.

Speaker 9 (16:25):
She left, She left Americana, which was like probably the
best thing she had going at the time.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
Weren't people like leaving the concert right in the middle
because she was so bad? And then we looked at
some videos her dancing was like way off.

Speaker 5 (16:37):
She just seems a little bit off. Although I would,
I would go to the show.

Speaker 9 (16:40):
Isn't she coming here in July?

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Yeah? I would go to the show. Please tell me
she's not on the megamasterable.

Speaker 6 (16:45):
Where she is, guys, there's something for everyone.

Speaker 9 (16:49):
She's great, you guys.

Speaker 6 (16:54):
She has so many hits to the show.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Totally hit machine. Yeah, she is a hit machine.

Speaker 5 (17:01):
I love this chest because she.

Speaker 9 (17:03):
Has so many radio hits. You're gonna know all the
songs and you'll.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
Know every word to every songs.

Speaker 9 (17:10):
Oh my god, you could.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Unveil the entire megaboard right and there'll be nothing like
Katy Perry up there.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
Okay, Okay, well that's the big prize you love.

Speaker 6 (17:24):
Hey, it's Katy Perry.

Speaker 11 (17:25):
And I'm hanging with Billy Costa.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Who loves Katy Perry more than I'm just saying. Orlando Bloom.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
That's Justin Bieber's wife Haley. Over the weekend, I guess
ditched the wedding ring.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
Well, she was wearing gym clothes okay in one shot,
but then she was out to dinner that night too
with some friends and she wasn't wearing it. It's a beautiful,
big ring, so maybe I don't know.

Speaker 9 (17:48):
I feel like she does wear it, Like you know,
some people never wear their running ring.

Speaker 6 (17:52):
She wears it all that she does wear all. That's
why this was weird.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Yeah, Planet Fitness Kiss one Away Studios.

Speaker 7 (17:58):
We're back with The Billy from Lisa in the Morning Kiss.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
So just hours after we wrapped up the show last Wednesday,
the verdicts came down in the Karen Reachi. We had
the long weekend break, so we never had a chance
to talk about it, especially with attorney Katherine Loftus, who
has been covering the Karen Reid trial through two trials
on The Billy and Lisa the Morning Show. But she's

(18:23):
on the phone right now. Surprised or not surprised, Catherine,
I'm surprised.

Speaker 8 (18:28):
At the overall I'll come.

Speaker 7 (18:30):
I think when we talked about it last week, if
you recall on Tuesday, they came back with a question
and we thought they might come back just on the
single OUI. But then they took, you know, the rest
of the afternoon Tuesday to deliberate through Wednesday, so it
seems like they were potentially heading in another direction, but
they ended up where we thought they were Tuesday with
the single OUI, And you know, I think it was

(18:52):
a surprising result from probably from all perspectives, but you
know the fact that we ultimately ended with a vert.
There was a lot of talk about you know, I
thought there was a potential of the mistrial. You know,
a verdict is really what is the defendant, you know,
needs that, the family needs that because it's I think

(19:12):
it's time to move on for you know, for everybody involved.

Speaker 6 (19:15):
But Catherine.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
I think unanimously we all thought it would be a mistrial.
So when the verdict came down, I think we were
just surprised.

Speaker 11 (19:24):
You know.

Speaker 7 (19:24):
It's it's also interestingly said because they did deliberate for
so long, So it's interesting, you know, to wonder how
for them to come to just guilty on the single OUI, Why.

Speaker 8 (19:36):
It took them so long. We've heard from a number.

Speaker 7 (19:38):
Of the jerors who indicated, you know that some of
them you know, thought that she was she's innocent, some
of them thought it wasn't proven beyond.

Speaker 8 (19:45):
A reasonable doubt.

Speaker 7 (19:46):
But it's a long time to deliberate over over and OUI.
So it was definitely surprising for me.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Well, regardless of anything else that happened, the OUI had
to be automatic, right, I mean, oh boy, would they drinking?

Speaker 6 (20:00):
Well, she admitted to it in some of her interviews.

Speaker 8 (20:02):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 7 (20:04):
There was a lot of statements that came in Obviously
there was the you know, the witness statements, the videos
of all of them drinking at the bar, and then
her interviews and the various documentaries sort of counting, you know,
how many drinks she had.

Speaker 8 (20:15):
So that seemed like it in automatic to me.

Speaker 7 (20:18):
But you know, the facts that that they were even
headitant on that and it took them that long, you know,
and an additional eight hours to even come to guilty
on the OUI is fascinated. It just goes to show
how differently, you know, jury's can think. You remember, in
the first trial they were nine to three split on
the manslaughter and in this trial they weren't even close.

Speaker 8 (20:38):
On the manslaughter. They were not guilty across the board.

Speaker 7 (20:40):
So it's always you know, it's always speculation and sort
of different people think different things, and that's why a
jury trial is always it's always a risk for the carmwalls,
it's always a risk for the defense because.

Speaker 8 (20:52):
You just never know what's going on. Result.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
So question, and maybe this is a stupid question, because
she was found not guilty, if they still don't know
what happened to John O'Keefe, they still don't know what
killed him, who killed him, so does this open it
up for another investigation or is it?

Speaker 6 (21:10):
Is it done?

Speaker 8 (21:12):
It's it's done.

Speaker 7 (21:13):
So if you think about it from the perspective, if
you take obviously there's so much emotion wrapped up in
this case. Particularly, people sometimes interpret a not guilty as
a declaration of innocence in the court system.

Speaker 8 (21:24):
That's not what it is. It's essentially that the Karmwell
has not proven that case.

Speaker 7 (21:28):
We don't want a world really with a prosecution if
they charge somebody and then are unable to obtain a conviction,
you know, seek out somebody else to judge after that,
you know, the norphig DA's office, Hank Brennan, the Kromwell's
they believe that Karen Read is guilty and is responsible
for John O'Keefe's death. Just because they got a not
guilty verdict doesn't change that opinion. From their perspective, they

(21:51):
just look at it like we didn't prove the case
and this is the end of it. So I don't
anticipate that there will be any more investigations. Obviously we
had the federal investigation not the last two and a
half years, there were no charges resulting from that.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
So there could be a killer walking when all of
a sudden, Well.

Speaker 7 (22:08):
It depends on what way you look at it, Billy,
but I think it's it's likely that this will be
the end of I think the investigation as a whole.

Speaker 8 (22:16):
Obviously, we're going to have civil suits that results.

Speaker 7 (22:19):
There's the one pending from the estate of John O'Keefe
against Karen Reid and Waterfall and C. F. McCarty, the
two bars that served them, and I anticipated that maybe
additional civil suits forthcoming, so we may hear some more.
But in terms of the criminal investigation, I think that's
the end of it.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
There were mixed feelings about Karen Reid doing the TV interviews.
Apparently those didn't end up hurting her. But interestingly, the
O'Keeffe family now is doing interviews.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Should they have done it earlier.

Speaker 7 (22:51):
You know, it's time to know. I don't know that
it would have swayed anything in terms of the criminal case,
and particularly in instances like that, with so much public pressure,
there's so much sort of fascination. I think oftentimes victims'
families they just want to insulate themselves from that. They
don't want to be for, you know, forward face, and
they don't want any more scrutiny that comes. So, you know,

(23:14):
I whatever their choices are, I give them grace because
they've lost. The Oky family has lost quite a lot
in their life.

Speaker 6 (23:21):
It's so true, so true.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Well, they were out celebrating the other night.

Speaker 6 (23:25):
Not they No, not the o'key.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
No, you're Karen and her team.

Speaker 8 (23:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (23:30):
I have a quick question for you. I don't know
if you see any of the post interviews with the lawyers,
but David Yani kind of spoke to that third party
culprit with the you know, the Mcalverton Higgins and basically
said that in his experience he finds that by them
not presenting the third party like to their face, like
those people humanizing them, it actually was better for their case.

Speaker 7 (23:51):
Yes, And that's I mean, it's been my perspective for
a long time because I think typically in a case
as a defense attorney, you don't often have so many
screw ups off flaws and the police investigation. You know,
it's so maybe you want to go third party because
that's really the only defense you have in this case.
You know, you had the Michael proxy, you have the Kimpedie,

(24:13):
the solo cops.

Speaker 8 (24:14):
They not pull in the ring video. You know, the
conflicts of interest.

Speaker 7 (24:18):
There are so many issues in and of itself with
the police investigation that go in third partty. I think
the first time, really, the fact that they presented the
third party argument really full throatedly benefited the commwalts because
it wasn't as persuasive to a jury. You had to
convince them really of a lot of things, even though
technically it's not the defense's.

Speaker 8 (24:36):
Burden in this case. They made the smotted decision, which
is just to go straight at reasonable deal, straight at
the boat and.

Speaker 7 (24:42):
Investigation and just say, poke the holes rumble that we
always talked about that wall and the bricks to build,
and that's what they did. They poked the holes, poked
the holes, and if the common wall starts to crumble,
then the defendants entitled to a not guilty. So it
was a much better strategy from my perspective, the second
trial as.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Opposed to the Yeah, a question there least.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
Do you think that Alan Jackson and David Yanetti do
you think they were surprised when the verdict came in
because I saw Yanetti was crying.

Speaker 7 (25:10):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know if it's surprised, but
I'm sure relieved. You know, from their perspective, you know,
they their client's.

Speaker 8 (25:18):
Life is online.

Speaker 7 (25:18):
She was, you know, not just charged with a small
secondary murder, she was facing life in prison.

Speaker 8 (25:24):
So you know they're responsible.

Speaker 7 (25:25):
And when you're an attorney, you do feel like somebody's hands, life,
life is in my hands, and so you know, it
works very hot. And this has been a multi year
you know process, two trials, so I'm not sure that
they were surprised, but I'm sure certainly relieved.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
So what's your next case? Are you going to cover
the civil I am going to come.

Speaker 7 (25:48):
I am going to cover the civil cases. And then
we're gonna have Brian Walls in the fall, so that's in.

Speaker 8 (25:53):
That's all involving. We have too Remichael Proctor.

Speaker 7 (25:58):
On that case, so we'll be we're taking this summer off,
We're going to Maine, you know, gearing up, getting ready.

Speaker 8 (26:04):
And then the house case.

Speaker 5 (26:07):
Catherine, have you been following the Diddy trial at all?

Speaker 7 (26:11):
You know what I have just peripherally, not not as
closely obviously as this case.

Speaker 8 (26:16):
And the difficult thing about federal core cases is there's
no maybe, so it's.

Speaker 7 (26:21):
Only like you know, you have to find third hand
sources about what is actually coming out in testimony. But
unfortunately the read case took up virtually all of my time.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
You'd probably have to be verse freak off.

Speaker 4 (26:35):
Did you Did you have a point of with you know,
sort of feeling I don't want to say sad, but
not not sad, it's not the right word, but just
sort of like a sense of loss, right because you've
been covering this for so long, right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 (26:51):
Yeah, you know it's it's you know, it's this case
is just really you know how it feels to me
all around. It's sad all around, right, there's no and
this is all and what happens.

Speaker 8 (27:00):
I think in the criminal.

Speaker 7 (27:01):
Justice system that maybe those who aren't involved in it
as closely don't really understand that.

Speaker 8 (27:07):
You know, at the end of a trial, it's what
is justice? You know, somebody lost to life, somebody's.

Speaker 7 (27:12):
Life was on the line by Karen Reid, you know,
is there really.

Speaker 8 (27:16):
A happy end?

Speaker 7 (27:17):
And even if there were a guilty for the o
Kee family, that doesn't bring John o'keef, No, it doesn't. Know,
it's just there's a sadness sort of all around it.
And I do think even though this is Obviously, this
is the results that the Red family wanted and her team,
and it's not the result that the o'kee family wanted,
but it does allow at least some closure that they can,

(27:37):
you know, put it behind them and move on, because
this is just it's been a lot for everybody.

Speaker 6 (27:42):
It has. The only person I thought of was John
o'keef's mother.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah, for sure, it's the wrong wrong.

Speaker 7 (27:50):
Yeah, she's lost two children, she's raising you know, she's
supposed to be but the twilight of her life right
and raising two young children. So and that's a daily
reminder of sort of what has happened. So, you know,
and I think that the Oke family, really, you know,
deserves the most graceful.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
All well, Catherine, thank you so much for your coverage
on the Billy and Lisa Morning Show.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Where can people find you? Now?

Speaker 7 (28:11):
They can find you? Note my objection TikTok Sepstack Instagram.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
I'm everywhere, all right, and I guess we'll see you
in the Brian Walsh thing.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Heats up, Thanks.

Speaker 7 (28:22):
Catherine, that's right, Thanks guys.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Okay by Katherine.

Speaker 5 (28:25):
Yeah, anything happens, we call our lawyer.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
I call my lawyer.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Such a good lawyer got by tomorrow morning, you're going
to be working in Alashka.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Okay, so dressed warm every morning?

Speaker 5 (28:36):
Kiss won?

Speaker 2 (28:37):
I wait justin talk back leftovers, Give me some good
morning everyone.

Speaker 9 (28:40):
Christine from New Hampshire here, Billy.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
All I could think about was you this weekend on
our boat.

Speaker 7 (28:47):
What is up with the wind?

Speaker 5 (28:49):
It was so windy on Friday, and so Thursday and
Friday we were off. We were preparing for the big
party on Saturday. So we did a bunch of clean
up in the yard on Thursday, and then Friday it
all went to hell. Everything blew off, the trees covered everything.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Yep, yeah, we're going to shove off.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
Early Friday morning they were fifty mile an hour gusts
in the harbor.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
There's no way I'm.

Speaker 9 (29:10):
The schmuck that took her nieces to the beach at
ten in the morning in.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
The windy day on Friday.

Speaker 10 (29:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (29:15):
Yeah, we laughed an hour before I said I have
a pool at my house. Let's go back to Auntie's house.

Speaker 5 (29:21):
That doesn't feel good.

Speaker 9 (29:23):
And everything was flying everywhere. The chairs were collapsing, the
clothes that we had brought, the book board.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Crazy wind.

Speaker 6 (29:31):
It wasn't as what I was dealing with.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
No, no, no Briday, We're dealing with.

Speaker 6 (29:37):
Top of a volcano.

Speaker 5 (29:38):
Yeah, you went through all different climates and iceland. Yeah,
but you made it out.

Speaker 6 (29:43):
We did. You made it down and walked out.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (29:46):
It's Julie in the car commuting into school.

Speaker 12 (29:51):
I think we are just about the last ones hanging
on until summer vacation.

Speaker 5 (29:59):
Last day is tomorrow.

Speaker 6 (30:01):
Cannot wait. Have a great day everyone.

Speaker 5 (30:04):
Wow, this is pretty late, yeah, June twenty third.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yeah, I was thinking that.

Speaker 5 (30:08):
I wonder where that.

Speaker 9 (30:09):
Is some people wrong in the twenty six Yeah, the
twenty six.

Speaker 5 (30:11):
Yeah, isn't that when there's a lot of snow days?

Speaker 9 (30:13):
Yeah? Yeah, or they start late some like is it
Boston starts pretty late every year?

Speaker 10 (30:18):
I do.

Speaker 9 (30:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (30:19):
You know when I was growing up, we always started
after Labor Day, and now they start in August.

Speaker 9 (30:24):
Yeah. Yeah a lot of people do like they do,
like what one day before Labor Day break and then
they they go for like two days and they take
a long weekend and come back.

Speaker 5 (30:33):
Yeah that's crazy.

Speaker 7 (30:34):
Wow, congratulations justin I've chimed in a couple of times.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
This week will be six weeks.

Speaker 9 (30:39):
Sober for me.

Speaker 7 (30:40):
I know, it's nothing compared to seventeen years.

Speaker 9 (30:42):
But I've never felt so.

Speaker 7 (30:43):
Amazing in my life, and it gives me the will
to keep going.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
I mean, tomorrow's seventeen for you, tomorrow if I make it.

Speaker 9 (30:52):
I love how you have that thoughts process.

Speaker 5 (30:54):
Oh, it's just one day at a time. I've known,
I've had friends that had twenty thirty years. It's one decision.
But anyway, six weeks, I mean, one day is a miracle. Yeah,
so don't don't compare my six weeks was seventeen years.
It's seventeen years. One day at a time. It's six weeks,
one day at a time. Regardless, that's all. That's all.
We're congratulations. I did you just say something nice?

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yes to first log it? Yeah, put it in the
ship's long logging it up.

Speaker 5 (31:20):
Thanks Winnie.

Speaker 12 (31:21):
Good morning guys, especially Billy.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Listen.

Speaker 12 (31:23):
I missed you guys last week, and it's going to
be super hot today, so we're talking about traffic and driving.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Listen, Billy, why.

Speaker 12 (31:29):
Don't you get in your car and speed on out
here and jump in my pool bathing suit optional.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Heyo, one day.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
We're going to bring him into the studio.

Speaker 9 (31:41):
Yeah, we really have you know what's crazy really actually
really she really likes it.

Speaker 5 (31:48):
Yeah, all right, well we're back after four days off.
We covered a lot of ground on the show. This
morning we'll cover it all. We'll put it in a
nice little box, put a bow on top. That's called
the Rap wrap Up and that's next
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