"In Your Car Version” SUPERMAN II (Lester Cut) 127 Minutes

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, everybody. It's Shay Towers with Jim Bowers and welcome
to the Superman two.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
I guess what do we call this? Jim AA, watch along.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
Absolutely all, watch it. This is exciting.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Jay, We've been waiting for this. I think we haven't
done one of these in a while, and we're starting
with the Lester cut of Superman two. So Jim, take
us back to the year here as we watch these
as this opening scene here.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Well, a very interesting marketing campaign was done for this film.
Reverse marketing campaign was done to open the film across
the world during each country's respective peak summer season, so
this film actually opened first in December nineteen eighty whereas

(00:51):
the US did not see it in theaters till July nineteenth,
nineteen eighty one. And our good friend Sarah Douglas was
the world representative for this film, so she toured all
over the world to promote this movie.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
This scene not in Superman the movie, although it's meant
to be a recap, this basically shows us what the
scene would look like minus Marlon Brando.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Right right now. In the original script, the nineteen seventy
nine script, Zod actually walks to all of those little pedestals.
Each pedestal is for an elder.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
He chooses jor El's Wow breaks.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
The crystal, and then the script says that a bunch
of the other Kryptonian guards surround them and then the
rings come down as we see.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Here, Wow, what a great scene. That would have been
the scene right, three criminals.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Now we're in Donner footage, whereas the film started with
Lester footage. Obviously, this is not Marlon Brando. This is
a voice stand in or a voice actor doing his
some of his lines, as well as some of the
other elders lines.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
So was this supposed to be what we're listening here?
Was this supposed to be Jurell? No, theseus be the
elders talking right, Elder.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Beauty beauty Guilty, guilty.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
So we're still on Donner footage. The really unique thing
about this film, jay As we get an amazing recap
of the first film. So even if you didn't go
see the first movie, you've got a great idea of
what's going on. You're all caught up, ready to go.
What I love about this film is it starts off
with a bank right into the action.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Right into the action.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
This is Lester voiceover.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
And here we go, I mean here we go with
the opening credits, which is a different look from the
original film.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Different look. These opening credits were done by a company
called Camera Effects Limited, and they also did some optical
work for the first film. They also did the amazing
Alley transformation that we're going to see after this recap.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Careful, tonight use any Marlon Brando in this right? I mean,
it's so selective you wouldn't even notice. But even this scene.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Here, Marlon, of course, had sued the producers for more money.
We know from an early step outline that they were
considering using Brando's footage with some Lara footage. Ultimately they
decided to cut Brando out altogether.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Just this s is so fantastic.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Ken Thorne did a great job adapting some of John
Williams's themes.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
I think when people think of Superman too. Even if
you love the Donner cutting some of that extra footage,
this is the version we saw as kids, or you know,
whatever age you were when you saw this, but you
remember this recap so well. And even when the credits
come in, there's Aaron Smallins.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
There's our friend Aaron on his tippy toes, boom. I
love these credits.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
There's our friend Sarah Douglas. There's those big barn.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Doors, beautiful Alberta, Canada. Jeff East there, Margo Jack, there's Valerie.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
Here comes that Crystal Farrow next. I know exactly what
it's about to happen.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
How many times have you seen this movie?

Speaker 1 (05:19):
Jay? Hundreds?

Speaker 2 (05:21):
So I.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
Credits Clifton James.

Speaker 5 (05:35):
E. G.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Marshall, who also was in Christmas Vacation. There's Mark McClure.
That's right, Terence Stamp. E. G.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
Marshall was in the film Absolute Power with Gene Hackman.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
I love this New York footage too.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
And we see this in the extended cut ABC of
Superman the movie when Superman first arrives to Metropolis.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
Went right down the Hudson There there you go.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Now that is a swell scene.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Jay, love it. The great New York Daily News building.
That globe's still there, still victorious attraction.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
This moment always got a great laugh and every theatrical
screening I ever saw of the first.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Film, because you expect them to get into a phone
booth that's not there.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Not there. Wow, what a rescue mag What a great guy.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
He was a must be interesting. Must have been interesting
for Mario who's going to watch these films to see
how much of his script meeted in.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
And you can read those scripts on Cape wonder.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
How about a candy apple? That map would be an
amazing prop to own with it.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Mister Hoover dam and there's a filming location.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
We visited, Jim and we did the Alberta Badlands.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
It's just the greatest recap of a film. You couldn't
do a better job.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
You're pumped up before the new action even gets started.
The great Derek Meddings miniatures, which were very large, if
that makes any sense.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
That's a great scene. It's the wave.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Our friend Dahlia.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Harris Spangler, who I got to meet in New York
last year. Right, this is a great shot too, one.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
Of the best.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
First Richard Lester, the Richard Lester original cut here. Now
we've got that's Donner footage.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
From Donner footage, and then we cut right to Lester.
Notice the gentleman's outfit carrying the bicycle, same outfit they
wear on the roofs in the first film. This hat
trick is amazing. Jay watch this.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Very Yeah, that's unbelievable. You have to wonder.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
I'd love to watch the take after take of that.

Speaker 6 (08:55):
I don't know, Okay, yep.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
I'll check it.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
One of the interesting things about this set jay as
they used a lot of mirrors, so if you look carefully,
you'll actually see the reflection of people at the furthest
point on the right side.

Speaker 7 (09:10):
Interesting with the wire service copy under the forty point.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
I watch the red super copy for the.

Speaker 7 (09:17):
Past three sidebar. Get me everything you can on this
terrorist group, right guys in red.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, sorry to terrorists.

Speaker 7 (09:25):
Get your head out of the clouds. Kent, where you've
been for the past twelve hours?

Speaker 2 (09:27):
So it's at home? Why don't you watch television?

Speaker 8 (09:30):
Perhaps I don't really enjoy television, mister White, there's too
much violence.

Speaker 6 (09:33):
I was just reading Dickens.

Speaker 7 (09:33):
Mister Kent't a gang of terrorist sees the Eiffel Tower
in Paris?

Speaker 2 (09:37):
He knows where the Eiffel Tower is.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
I never noticed that that guy is walking back and
forth with the exercise.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Right, yeah, terrorists, look how much older Mark love?

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Just pennant stuff.

Speaker 7 (09:48):
These guys claim that if the French government doesn't meet
their demands, they've got a hydrogen bomb ready to level Paris.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
That's terrible. That's why they call him terrorists. Terrorists kent.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
The mor It's a great point.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
I watch the copy boy back here. Okay, you think
you're seeing two copy boys and there's only one because
it's his reflection in the mirror.

Speaker 7 (10:11):
I want my best reporter right in the middle of it.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
But mister White, I know if it is, can't you're good?
But Lowest Land is better?

Speaker 6 (10:17):
No, I meant, isn't it a little bit dangerous?

Speaker 9 (10:19):
Sir?

Speaker 2 (10:19):
It goes with the territory kid? Yeah, look at that.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
Now you're gonna see Chris on the far right side
in the mirror as he runs away. Watch the far
right side.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yeah wow, never noticed that before.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
Extends the set without having to build a big set.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
This scene here is not in New York City because
the backlot of Pinewood.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
Here's the Sally transformation.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
That's my favorite scene in the movie. Perfect Donner background plate.
And here we are in Paris in the rain, and.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
This is Paris.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
This is Paris.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
So Margaret went to Paris, Yes she did.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
And they built part of the Eiffel Tower at Pinewood.

Speaker 7 (11:15):
How did they get up that they want these guys
as work.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Can you do?

Speaker 10 (11:19):
Can you tell us why they release the person? We
indeed they do this.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
To show the face. If not, we reviewed will to relate.

Speaker 7 (11:28):
Turn guarantee like we were not turning attack on them?

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Well you know, attack.

Speaker 10 (11:34):
The bar.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
We have made this guarantee and you'll honor it.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
We have not a touch of refuse, don't we?

Speaker 11 (11:39):
If we believe it is agreed, good and the day
is the ball is in a big oil.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Can are you sure? How can we be sure of? Today?
Is possible for anyone?

Speaker 10 (11:51):
Don't make a bomb? Happy equipment.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
Government. I love all of the film cameras and is
looking at photographers a lot of extras for that scene too,
it looked busy, No, no comprendean.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Wait so this upcoming stairs scene with her running upstairs?
Did they recreate these stairs? Or this is all paris?

Speaker 12 (12:31):
Do we know?

Speaker 13 (12:32):
Well?

Speaker 3 (12:32):
I think it's both. At the point where it's the said,
it's difficult to tell now in the script this is
probably real.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
This is real, of course, I don't think you could
And that may not even be Margo.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
That could be someone else. Now that gentleman right there
that you just saw operating or controlling the bomb. That's
Richard Griffiths, whose uncle Vernon Harry Potter, that's right. And
they name these three guys in the script. Surge, Luke

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and Claude miniature here right, So we're probably when we
may still be in the actual Eiffel Tower Derek Beddings miniature.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
I always can identify the top of the Eiffel Tower
miniature because I have two of the satellite dishes. Ah,
you do, that's right, A small piece.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Of rear light.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
Now Mark says there's twenty hostages, and the script says twenty, right,
but you'll see here there's only a handful. I don't
see twenty, No, just a couple of nuns.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
And three other people. And those are the same ones
we saw earlier.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Right, released get moving, I'll take a lifelo ground.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
Ken Thorn's music is so great here, fantastic.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
H m hmm, okay, help we go.

Speaker 14 (14:18):
Polite surprise.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Now we're on a front projection studio set, so she's
actually stationary and they shake it and move it and
Margo's got to do all her good acting.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Probably the same for this elevator scene projected there.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
No belt Price.

Speaker 15 (14:52):
Cavil, Anne Lillo, Little be.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
There's a little mini Margo right there.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yeah, maybe we'll see that at a prop show.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
So much detail they could zoom in on it, that clubs.

Speaker 12 (15:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Price the movie making is so good too.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
I mean to be able to cut from miniatures to
the actual rifle tower to the stuff that's on the set.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
Lots of research, lots of drawings, yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Forgiven, because if you let go of that, you already
have sixty seconds to list them. You're right, You're right.

Speaker 15 (15:31):
It sounded like someone moving underneath.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Where are they now?

Speaker 15 (15:40):
They are near to the lift that when in still
when in still inside with the bomb.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
To the third one has come out of the lift.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Now you'll see the French National Police Special Mobile Police
Force patches on their uniform.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, and the biggest walkie talkie's ever.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
Seen, gigantic. One of these gentlemen, you're going to recognize
who actually cuts the cable, all right, and that's Paul Weston,
stunt man, stunt quarter UH coordinator Paul Weston, who also
plays Zod and UH and UH Non. Probably get a

(16:23):
shot of a great zoptic shot here and.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Good taking him an awfully long time to get to Paris.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
By the way, I wonder if he's actually watching Yeah,
long range vision.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
We've been watching them all the time.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
I think he spots are right there. There you go.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
That's great, and that's great. You can see the Eiffel
Tower in the distance.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Right here comes Paul on the left.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
There there he is.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Man.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
I remember seeing this when I was a kid. This
scene was great.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
And we know this actually replaces the uh, some of
the scenes from the Donner.

Speaker 5 (17:18):
Jumping out the right.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Here's one of my favorite scenes.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
John Victor Smith had a beautiful editing job on this,
and it's right there.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Oh that's great.

Speaker 6 (17:43):
I believe this is your floor.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
Oh thank god. Now, originally he just says Lois, we've
got to quit meeting like this, and I thought that
works so much better when the elevator comment.

Speaker 6 (17:55):
Above gone alone.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
This is another great shot, all miniature work.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah, that's right here, all of that closure the top.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
And now we're at a point where we believe that
the background plate is all from the Donner years, because
we see these plates when the x K one O
one rocket is in space in the Donner cut, So
this is all Leicester footage at this point. Then we

(18:31):
cut to a piece of Donner footage in the Phantom
Zone still lester. And now we've got a Donner piece
of footage, and as soon as it it's the waves,
it's Leicester footage.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
An animation, all.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Animation, right, love that? Mm hmm, that's traveling Matt bluescreen
optical work.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
They are headed to the Moon. Donner footage here right,
the fruit stamp from the first.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
Movie Daily News Building. Then we cut to Pinewood back
lot y just like that.

Speaker 16 (19:40):
Hi.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
Now, this gag with the cab was written very early
on and intended originally for when Clark arrives in Metropolis,
crosses the street to go inside the Daily Planet for
his for his job. And you can see drawings of
crashed cabs sitting on trailers in that collector's Albumpman the

(20:05):
movie Wow, you gotta be more careful when you cross
the streets. You notice here, Jay, that she's got her
own office now the track.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
She's graduated from the desk just outside of Perry's office.
At least you liked the rollerscape.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
Do we ever see Clark if he has an office?

Speaker 1 (20:24):
I don't know, but I love those blue cups on
her desk, which I still to this day, order from
New York.

Speaker 6 (20:30):
Not everybody can have X ray vision.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
You know, Superman. Notice the two promotional pictures on each
side of the office there of Superman on the.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Water framed black and white.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
I never Why is there a bad Metton birdie on
her typewriter.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
They did a great job of decorating this to show
that kind of how chaotic she was.

Speaker 6 (21:03):
There are pillows, you know, I've seen them.

Speaker 12 (21:06):
Some water way to do?

Speaker 14 (21:08):
This is natural.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
Did you ever squeeze oranges at home?

Speaker 2 (21:14):
I always wanted to after this?

Speaker 1 (21:16):
You don't have to be jail and smoke.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
No, make sure they're Marlborough.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
Marlborough appears in this movie about twenty two tough.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
That's a product place for.

Speaker 6 (21:27):
Don't be more aggressive.

Speaker 15 (21:28):
You know, you have to go from the instinct.

Speaker 14 (21:31):
You see something, you want it, you go for it.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
That's what I do.

Speaker 6 (21:35):
Yes, I've noticed. Perhaps I could help you there?

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Oh thanks great?

Speaker 6 (21:41):
Let me see now I don't see the orangeinere. That's
really very clever. Are you know that I that I
wouldn't say all those things to you if I didn't really.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Care you do.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Here's that great acting by Chris again, very Clark Kent friends.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Huh m, it flies newspaper.

Speaker 14 (22:15):
Here's two fringe.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Notice how the sound when she hits his back sounds
like a wall yep. Take a look at Lex Luthor's
inmate number on his uniform.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Alrighty standing by for that.

Speaker 17 (22:38):
This is how it ends for the greatest criminal mind
of our time.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
This is Donner footage.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
By the way, the reward Lex Luthor, well, all the
all the gene dialogue on cameras Donner right right shot
nothing for Leicester, get to work. Twelve forty six, twelve
forty six.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Now in Superman four, those four numbers are also used six, four,
one two, Wow, what what's the significance?

Speaker 2 (23:09):
I don't know, Superman overgrown voice.

Speaker 15 (23:12):
I want my Liberachi record back tonight, scratch on it.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
Do you have any Liberaci records?

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Say? I don't, and if I did, I'd scratch them.

Speaker 18 (23:22):
Can you didn't even pre sit.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Down and read darting over time?

Speaker 2 (23:25):
They try? He just flies off?

Speaker 17 (23:28):
Where why to ski to ski Otis? Every man has
his bulnerable point, some like you Otis have more than one.
I didn't see Superman's in time, but now through.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Patience and of course Lex Luthor has an ascot on well, yes,
in prison is just about.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
I don't own any ascot.

Speaker 15 (23:56):
That little black box must couple times.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Watch it for.

Speaker 17 (24:02):
That little black box otics goes beyond any conventional radar.

Speaker 4 (24:08):
It tracks alpha waves.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Am I right? There's some great or a great black
and white photo of Gene in this outfit.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
Yes, yes, I'd love that as a problem.

Speaker 15 (24:21):
Those alpha waves. It will take me North, his secret,
his secret, give me Superman.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
M So here's a part of the film Jay that
is very very interesting as far as who filmed what. Okay,
many people feel that the Moon was filmed entirely by Donner,
and we don't think that's true. This footage, for instance,
was shot by Lester, and I think the office in

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the distance is actually a part of the Daily Planet set.
So the Michigan control here, Michigan Control is Ester footage
with Donner shot Moon footage on the screen.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Right, Okay, so this is this is Donner.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
I believe this piece of footage. The close up of
Nate is Lester. In the distant shot of the module,
there is no gold metallic square, but there is in
the close.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Ups just a little. So this dialogue shot by Lester.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
We think I think it was written earlier, and it
may have been filmed, but I think it was reshot
or shot differently by Lester. When you're looking out the window,
it's Donner. It is my belief because you see Sarah
going by, et cetera. I don't think the villains came
back for Lester in this.

Speaker 7 (25:52):
In this scene, Houston, we seem to have an unidentified
flying object, but identified.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
What does it look like?

Speaker 3 (26:00):
Well, a lot like a This is John Morton. He
was Luke Skywalker's gunner during the hof planet battle in
the Empire strikes Back, all right, he's the guy who's
knocked out.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
Here.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
We have stuntman Paul Weston again again here with Sarah.

Speaker 15 (26:25):
You what kind of a creature?

Speaker 7 (26:29):
Are you?

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Just a man?

Speaker 3 (26:32):
A man?

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Now?

Speaker 3 (26:36):
You see his logo right there. Yeah, that's the Society
of International Space Exploration. And it's actually upside down on
the John Morton scenes in the module. So continuity was
messed up there.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Sure this is a great shot too, a takeoff and
landing group.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
M coming up is John Jim Dodall stuntman.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
That's a familiar costume to me.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
You right, He's in the Spyo Love Me, octopusy and
many great films we love. Of course, he's Russian here,
and the translation we think is who are you identify
yourself here?

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Fragile life is yeah, h.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
It's a loud thud for space.

Speaker 12 (27:52):
It is.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Cut that oxygen supply off of od fashion And here's
Non driving.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
He's in a panic.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
I'm Houston. He scenes always freaked me out as a kid.
I mean, Non was scary.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
You don't know what he's thinking.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
No, Artemis, this is Houston calling what's up.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
Here's a familiar face from Superman the movie John Ratzenberger
function negative sir from the first Filmarmis come in please
and would.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Go on to be Cliff Clay even on cheers.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
That's right, girl, I thought he said, great Shane Rimmer
on the right.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
What's a mineral? But we see used to call it
with an east west trajectory.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
How should I know?

Speaker 2 (29:13):
I was back in high school in those days.

Speaker 14 (29:16):
Strange.

Speaker 16 (29:18):
I told those metal fibers like paper, and what he did,
it's amazing.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Something is happening, yes to all of us.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Her eyes are so great in that shot.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
The closer we come to an atmosphere with only one son,
a yellow sun, the more our molecular density gives us
unlimited powers.

Speaker 16 (29:42):
They come from there, a place called Houston, and we
will go there too.

Speaker 15 (29:49):
To rule, find to rule.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
One of the clues when you look at Terrence Stamp
that it's Donner versus Leicester is the Donner footage. His
hair is less gray and kind of curly around his ears,
and it's shorter a piece of Donner footage here New York.
Now we're on the actual prison set at Pinewood outside
three eighty out.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
This is a big set, by the way.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Yes, here's Angus McGinnis, the warden. He doesn't look like
a warden to me. He looks like a prison guard,
but he's credited as a warden. He was in Star
Wars Rogue one witness, great actor from Canada.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
You guys are about ten seconds away from solitary.

Speaker 9 (30:45):
You know that.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
I told you to.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
H I was like looking at what's on the shelves
and there, I know. And it's funny that they have
a tray with a cocktail shaker.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
It's a little red Russian black and white TV sitting
at the table too. Outtakes from this would have been
great to see.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Yeah, I'm sure they exist.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
They're reading comic books.

Speaker 16 (31:24):
And that.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
That shack.

Speaker 12 (31:26):
What am I looking for?

Speaker 15 (31:28):
You'll know when you see it.

Speaker 19 (31:31):
H m hm.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
Otis has a real issue with ladders. Every time he
gets around a ladder with les, he gets his foot,
Lex's foot on his hand the second.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Time, second time, what is it?

Speaker 15 (31:53):
It's a ladder, you dummy.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
M h.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Come on, Otis's advanced weight. Let's thinking causing the balloon
to come down and alert the guards.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
That's the last we see of Otis.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
I love that he waves goodbye.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
Here's the location we've been to, Jay I have with
Adley Kay himself.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Niagara Falls. We know all the Niagara Falls shots are Leicester, right.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
All of them are Leicester shot in September of seventy nine.
Some of the first footage Leicester shots the film started.
He started filming in August of seventy nine.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
She mentioned, if you try to line this stuff up,
that hotel and all, it looks a lot different, absolutely,
a lot of new structures around that.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Smith over the threshold. It's sort of traditional.

Speaker 15 (33:38):
I can give you a hand if you have trouble
lifting now.

Speaker 18 (33:41):
Oh no, of course not, honey.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
The bellboy is Shakespearean actor Anthony Sheer who's from Stratford
upon Avon, Sarah Douglas's hometown.

Speaker 11 (33:54):
This is your first visit to Honeymoon Haven hunt together
anyway doing his American accent. Well, let me just show
you some of our special features. These are our Flames
of Love exclusive with this motel in the area. If
you want the flames to go high and just old
is let's see.

Speaker 6 (34:12):
Look, dear, that's a canipromatic in July.

Speaker 11 (34:16):
Honey phenomenal charge they like, Thank very much, happy to
prepare a special souvenir album of your.

Speaker 15 (34:23):
Honeymoon stay.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
Great timing the actions in the tub for two on
the baskin rug gee, real polyast and.

Speaker 10 (34:33):
Here's the bed right, Thank you, thank you sir.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Oh of course mm thank you, thank you sir, and
have a happy whatever the highest ceilings any hotel room
has ever had.

Speaker 13 (34:57):
Expose a honeymoon racket Niagara Falls, well, what a waste
of a great writer writers.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
Perry White and Sunday Magazine exposees how am I supposed.

Speaker 17 (35:09):
To get a Pulitzer prize writing a story about a
pink beer?

Speaker 6 (35:12):
Well, I don't know, Lois.

Speaker 8 (35:12):
I think this kind of thing should be exposed so
they get kids who are just starting.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
We know when this was filmed them for ever they
can get.

Speaker 6 (35:18):
That's mister White says.

Speaker 18 (35:20):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
On the other hand, off the top of my head, no.

Speaker 16 (35:24):
Champagne kissing contest tonight.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Likely Pinewood, right, Oh you said where women where?

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Well this was definitely Pinewood. Yeah, I'll have to review
my script in my notes.

Speaker 6 (35:37):
Look that I found copy corsage.

Speaker 19 (35:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (35:40):
Everything's complimentary around here till you get the bill.

Speaker 6 (35:44):
Yeah, gee, look very pretty.

Speaker 14 (35:49):
Thank you, Clark.

Speaker 6 (35:52):
Sure you know, Lewis. I was sort of thinking we'll
letting ter on.

Speaker 8 (35:58):
Well, I've spring what you wanted to do about the arrangements.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
What arrangements?

Speaker 6 (36:05):
Clark?

Speaker 8 (36:06):
Well, I was thinking primarily about the sleeping arrangements, mister Smith.

Speaker 6 (36:18):
The complimentary couch, what.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
USh, it's a lie.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
This was originally intended to be night time the Donner cut.
You see it at night the last cut day, but
it was originally written to be a night shot.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
I wonder why the change, other than just to be different.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
How could you do that?

Speaker 2 (36:48):
To otis? What else is ballast for this? Test?

Speaker 6 (36:52):
Maker? North due north.

Speaker 16 (36:58):
Right nor.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
There's our friend Hadley k.

Speaker 4 (37:19):
And our Derby Shire friend the Derby Shires.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
There they are.

Speaker 18 (37:22):
Is it beautiful?

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Yeah, gorgeous. There's a little one ten pocket camera there
on the right.

Speaker 6 (37:29):
Everybody's holding hands. Maybe maybe we should old hands too.

Speaker 14 (37:33):
Here's my hands, Bark hold it.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
One of my favorite things about this whole scene is
watching extras and watching them pop up in different.

Speaker 14 (37:44):
Spots because you're blind, Clark.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
That polaroid camera was the Polaroid one step, a real
popular camera in the seventies, first one with the little
rainbows stripes.

Speaker 10 (37:58):
Now here I never did it, Thank you, son, Be careful.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
In the seventy nine script, Jay, he almost falls and
an arm reaches out and grabs him, and it's Clark's arm,
so he actually saves him. As Clark and Superman in
the script, Hey hey.

Speaker 14 (38:25):
I'm hungry.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
They would have had to revoice this entire scene. Am
I right? I mean we were at Niagara Falls.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
It's really loud, really loud.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
I mean it's the falls down pretty quiet in these uh,
these scenes a lot of a d R.

Speaker 5 (38:38):
Yes, Superman in action.

Speaker 14 (38:40):
Niagara Falls kind of eat you cold, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 15 (38:46):
Oh, I'm sorry, I have one track line, don't I.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
I'm kind of in the mood for a super duper
hot dog.

Speaker 10 (38:52):
What do you have dog?

Speaker 14 (38:54):
Hot dog?

Speaker 10 (38:56):
Oh, could have some orange juice.

Speaker 4 (38:58):
Freshley squeeze.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
Hot dogs are in every single Christopher Eve of Superman movie.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
Yeah, Hadley Kay joined us in Detroit for a signing
at a MotorCity Comic Con and wore a red and
white striped shirt.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
And he met us here and explained how he did
this stunt. That's right, got that rainbow.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
There's actually a small landing right beyond that railing, and

(39:52):
how we told us that that catch happened in Pinewood,
right right.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
He had to film I'm on wires here with Chris
and then he went to Pinewood and flew right.

Speaker 18 (40:09):
There you go again again.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
Noticed the little grease shirt on your blonde kid there,
Superman Clark, how do.

Speaker 18 (40:19):
You you going to get it?

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (40:21):
Give me your heart attacks me.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
It's lawless flows Lane.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Canadian flag flying there. You know you're on the Canadian side, right.

Speaker 20 (40:31):
I mean changed, you haven't been Niagara Falls happened to
be Niagara Falls and Clark.

Speaker 15 (40:42):
Clark is not around as usual.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Hmmm.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
We have greep behind the scenes photos of all of
this on Cape Wonder dot Com.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Lot.

Speaker 4 (41:05):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
This is my favorite shirt. This guy right here at
the turtleneck, well.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Blue turtleneck stripes.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
Superman's around.

Speaker 15 (41:14):
You disappeared, Superman.

Speaker 10 (41:17):
I mean he was here.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Golly, nobody did golly like Chris. Right, So what do
you get to say about that?

Speaker 6 (41:26):
Darn, I forgot your orange juice.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
No orange juice.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
My brother texts me that to this day at least
three times a week.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
No orange juice. Here.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
We've got some Donner footage from the first film. All right,
different piece of footage, but from the same shot.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
So is this Doner footage?

Speaker 3 (41:46):
Well, that's a good question. Some people feel that it
is because we know that's not Gene right, that's not
Jean's a voice actor. We do know they went up
to Norway and did some filming, and of course the
the glacier up above of uh, the Canadian Rockies.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
But here we are, back at the here we bought.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
Are back in the fortress exterior, and now we go
to the fortress interior again, all shot by Donner. So
whenever you see Valerie and Jane, it's Donner.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
And this is the same fortress that Chris takes that
first flight from Chris that we're seeing here.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
And when Jeffies first arrives and talks.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
With his all this for this, this version of the Fortress.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Yes, right, this was shot at Shepperton, whereas the Fortress
interior we see during the Leicester filming was shot at Pinewood.
It was rebuilt.

Speaker 16 (42:44):
No me.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
And what we're about to see is Donner footage of
Gene and Valerie looking at Lester footage of where we
left Laura two days ago, and John Hollis one of
the other elders coming up from a crystal shard or
collection of charts. But what Jean and Valerie are actually

(43:13):
looking at are supposed to be looking at, is Marlon
Brando as Joel. And you see that in the Donner cut.

Speaker 15 (43:20):
I said, don't touch it, it's not ice.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
So we've got some optical work to put both of
those Lester Donner pieces together.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
We did a podcast about some of the things Lester
had to do when he took over this and how
to rework these script moments.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
Right, I called you a crystal love culture.

Speaker 14 (43:43):
A section B.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
This is John Hollis. He was an elder in the
first film.

Speaker 19 (43:49):
What I think that I shall never see a poem
lovely as a tree.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
A tree.

Speaker 15 (43:57):
He's not here. It's a voice from the past.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
It's that's cute.

Speaker 16 (44:02):
A tree that looks at God.

Speaker 12 (44:04):
All like trees.

Speaker 15 (44:07):
So is your average cocker spaniel don't.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Big one.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
Here we have Susannah York who did come back during
the Lester Years, my son.

Speaker 16 (44:25):
As keeper of the archives of Krypton, it falls to
me to tell you of the darkest episode in our
planet's history of harmony that appeared among us three rebel elements,
what you would call on.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Criminals, criminals by kind of people.

Speaker 16 (44:42):
Despite all our efforts, we were unable to change the year.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
Remember Trees by Joyce Kilmer. Yes, you know that's Val
Kilmer's cousin who was killed in World War One.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
Val Kilmer was Batman in the third Batman movie. Three
arch Criminals imprisoning them There the script in the Lester Years.
It also includes another elder who we do not see
in this cut, and he speaks some of the Jorel dialogue.

Speaker 16 (45:13):
The phantom zone might just might be cracked by a
nuclear explosion in space.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
So everything Gene is reacting to here would have been
Brando right.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
He would have been directed to be responding to Brando.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Right, these villains were uncontrollable on Earth.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
What I believe you're seeing here is a background plate
of Donner shot Fortress with Lester foreground crystal cluster optically added.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Each one with the same power he has each one.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
Again. Some fans feel this is Donner footage. Others feel
it's Lester footage. Reshot. We know Donner took a crew
or a second unit crew up there and filmed. Whether
it was used or not, we don't know for sure.
I always thought it was Donner footage. Right now, we've
been here. This is back in Niagara Falls.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
Yeah, these small boats aren't at this location anywhere. They're
in a museum, right.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
But this looks almost the same.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Right, the landing area here this this we call it
a deck or purchier.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
Right, it's very loud.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
I tell you what.

Speaker 6 (46:28):
I'll meet you back at the hotel.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
What's your And the rocks in the background are all
still exactly the same.

Speaker 20 (46:36):
Sorry, I gotta admit you know your dis guys nearly perfected, fooled,
and I am nobody's fool believe me.

Speaker 6 (46:46):
Oh no, of course not. I mean you just have
an active imagination. You just get carried away. Sometimes understand you.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
They built a water tank at Pinewood, took out board
motors to churn up the water her and had Margot
get in it for many of these Scenesman if I'm wrong,
we see that in the making of Supermanking Superman to
the ABC special.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
We saw the stunt doubles.

Speaker 6 (47:13):
I'm Superman boy.

Speaker 8 (47:15):
You certainly have some imagination loss for a minute, They're
almost that'd be convinced for a minute.

Speaker 15 (47:20):
Bye bye baby, Oh.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
My god, we walked down that boardwalk. Looks the same,
looks exactly the same.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
This is the first instance of Clark or Superman.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
That's a dummy, right, And then there's Margot.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
This is the first time we see heat vision.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
In one of the scripts, he actually uses super breath
to blow the branch towards her once.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
It falls in the water, right over the shoulder shot there.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
Now, some fans have asked, how could he use his
head vision and not shatter his glasses, And this is
the answer that some fans have come up with, that
the glass and his glasses from the ship is from
his starship.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Well that's how it was in the comic book, right.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
Lois and Clark. He always lowered his glasses.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
This was a really fantastic trip for us. Jay and
I encourage everybody to go here and visit.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
And this rock formation here that they this kind of
little area that they swim into, still exactly the same.
It looks a little different if you try to photograph
it because of the cameras they used.

Speaker 12 (48:58):
Right.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
We often talk about that how you can can't match
it up with your iPhone camera. No, but those rocks
are exactly that way.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
Here here, here, Well, your iPhone camera usually defaults to
a very wide angle lens which expands and pushes everything away.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
You're what I thought was Superman.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Sorry, there's that finger push. Here's a very interesting scene.
Pay close attention to Jack o'holler and to none when
he lands. He has no platforms on his boots, and

(49:48):
I think they've had him wear boots that were lighter
weight for flying scenes.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
So this is Planet Houston. You really see the red
in these costumes.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
Here, first time I remember seeing Red. Here's Gordon Rawlings.
He's actually in the third movie. He falls in the
hole in the street when the penguin that's running around.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
This is back lot Pinewood.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
Right, this is Black Lake Park and you see Supergirl
fly out of this lake, and you see Superman freeze
this lake in Superman three. It's just down the street
from Pinewood.

Speaker 16 (50:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
Now watch, no platforms on Jack's boots. So I think
he's wearing his flying boots. But in the next shot
he'll have his platforms on.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
Yeah, because he's almost the same height as right Terrence.

Speaker 14 (50:50):
Primitive sort of life form.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
There's his platforms. Yeah, probably shot on a different day
or maybe later.

Speaker 15 (51:03):
Did you see that?

Speaker 10 (51:06):
Did you see what I did?

Speaker 14 (51:08):
I have powers beyond reason.

Speaker 13 (51:10):
Here, we all have them, idea all Leicester shot, boy,

(51:34):
I sure must have looked like an idiot jumping in
the river waiting for.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
Mister some product placement there with the polaroid in the background.

Speaker 8 (51:43):
Oh well, I'm sure it must have been something very
important thoughis and then thinking that.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
You were.

Speaker 6 (51:52):
Harry White could see me?

Speaker 14 (51:54):
Now, where's my cone? Where's my cone?

Speaker 1 (52:02):
With the Leicester cut didn't give us was the setup
on why they did this story, right, that's right, why
they were posing as newlywts.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Well, you got some of that dialogue from Margo earlier.

Speaker 10 (52:24):
Look, let me see your hand.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Give it to me, let me look at it.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
This is one of my favorite scenes with Christopher Eve
in this film.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
You are Superman, Oh lor come on, just defeated.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
Once again, and he stands up straight. He takes off
his glasses.

Speaker 6 (53:04):
I'm sorry, No, you don't have anything to be sorry about.
I don't know why I did that.

Speaker 14 (53:15):
Maybe you wanted to.

Speaker 6 (53:18):
I don't think I did.

Speaker 14 (53:20):
Well, maybe you didn't want to with your mind, but
maybe you wanted to with your heart.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
You noticed he's wearing a ring.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
Well they're opposing as newly right, Yeah, we better talk.

Speaker 14 (53:39):
I'm in love with you.

Speaker 6 (53:44):
We really better talk.

Speaker 8 (53:48):
Listening, we can't talk here. Perry's gonna be calling about
sixty five er. What's happening?

Speaker 14 (53:55):
What's happening? That's the understatement of the year. Where do
you want to talk?

Speaker 12 (54:19):
Now that you know? I think you should know it all.

Speaker 14 (54:22):
I want to.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Let's go to my place.

Speaker 14 (54:31):
Maybe I should change hers.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Get to wonder she's thinking, are we going to a
small apartment in Metropolis.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
To This piece of footage was actually the background plate
used for when Superman flies around the hill and spots
Lois's car.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
Oh crack, yeah, Superman in the movie much at a
much faster speed.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
At a much faster speed.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Right, that's probably that was probably the normal speed there.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
Here we are in England.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
They have a wide selection, and I can't eat fish.
You can eat anything you want, Dwayne. You can eat
meat and potatoes.

Speaker 6 (55:16):
I couldn't go anywhere I was expect to eat fish.

Speaker 15 (55:19):
They got beans.

Speaker 6 (55:21):
You can't eat beans? Come out in the rash of
eat beans.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Look Waite.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
Clifton James on the left play is almost the same
character in Levin Let Die many years earlier. Peter Whitman
on the right. Dwayne, we see him standing at the
ATM when all the money starts spitting out.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
It's funny they reuse these.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
It's a great scene. I like the glue. The flesh
is red like how Krypton's sung.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
But these three have signed so many photographs of that post.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
Did I hear right?

Speaker 2 (56:05):
That sound a bit? You give me an order, due
will take care of me. But Dwayne, you're gonna learn
to kick ass. You want to be a peacemaker.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
They're driving a very similar car to what Lois drives
the red car in the first film, right, the old
Ford Ltd. Saedan just what in the hell do you
think you're doing in What is the symbol?

Speaker 14 (56:29):
Do you follow another?

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Leader?

Speaker 18 (56:31):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Leader? Holy skoke? Sweat all right? A weapon of some sort?

Speaker 3 (56:45):
So what not only heats things up? It levitats things apparently?

Speaker 2 (56:50):
How did you do that? Jesus H Christ, crude noise maker.

Speaker 6 (57:19):
I'm just check your tire.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
Just check the tire.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Mm hmmmmh.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
He's Houston, Idaho.

Speaker 11 (57:37):
H m hm m.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
Childlike.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
I've got some beautiful flying shots in this movie. They
shot VistaVision, which is a larger frame of film to
enable you to have these very very beautiful backgrounds and
allow the actors to be further away from the camera.

(58:12):
Fortress background miniature flying right, with a beautiful entry into
the fortress. And now we're inside Richard Lester's Pinewood built fortress.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Smaller it looks like right.

Speaker 6 (58:28):
No, actually, I live in the city about three blocks
from you.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
That's the Donostrat.

Speaker 6 (58:36):
Yeah, I wanted you to see it.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Listen, you warm enough?

Speaker 14 (58:43):
I guess I should be freezing, but I'm not good.

Speaker 6 (58:47):
Come on, let me show you.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
The crystal control console appears to be lower than that.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Yeah, not as grand looking.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
Marcus, the Miko Child actor he went on to be
in full metal jacket.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
M Hm, there's non testing out his head, visions to skills.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
Notice the bee, Yeah, m hm, have a good day,
have a good breakfast. Those signs are even outside.

Speaker 12 (59:30):
I love that wallpaper.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
Lots of product in this shot.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
To Coca Cola Fanta.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
Wriggly's is that's gun? Watch what Zod is doing? He
picks up a dirty plate and stares at it.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
That's funny. Yeah, you never really focus on him. You're
always looking at Sarah here down here.

Speaker 14 (01:00:00):
That's just how it happened.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Let me know of his tables, poor shirt.

Speaker 10 (01:00:16):
The right front tire is flying.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Sheriff.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
What happened? Willie? I think borrow girl or no girl?

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
You're going to spit to.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
The stunt was shot on a set where he's actually
falling until the camera was mounted sidewalks him falling into
the floor.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Is that your boog?

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Wasn't there something to the trailer we just saw in
the background? Wasn't that someone's I thought that was someone's
We heard it was someone's trailer.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
This stunt man's name is jack Cooper. Can they credit
him in the movie as Jackie Cooper?

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
Interesting?

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
He's also credited as Dino, but the guys call him
Jody here and he's Willie's dad.

Speaker 6 (01:01:32):
See when my my father died, it's my earth.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
Father, clo. This this control calls on it. It looks
bigger than the one in the in the Donner Years.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
The green crystal looks so small.

Speaker 6 (01:01:45):
Explain to see it?

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
It called to me, Oh it does, doesn't it.

Speaker 6 (01:01:52):
He brought me here. Did it help me to build
this place?

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Well?

Speaker 6 (01:01:57):
Actually it built it really, But that's when I found
out who I really was and what I had to do.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
So what do you think you like it?

Speaker 6 (01:02:14):
Like it? It's incredible.

Speaker 10 (01:02:18):
I mean, not that I couldn't use a woman's touch.

Speaker 14 (01:02:22):
You know, especially around dinner time.

Speaker 8 (01:02:24):
Dinner, I'm sorry. See I don't usually do too much
about listen tonight.

Speaker 9 (01:02:30):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
In the seventy nine script, we actually see him go
from place to place to get his flowers, right, his champagne.
And what they did here is they took a crew
with Chris to Saint Lucia and the Caribbean and actually
filmed there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
So this is Saint Lucia.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
This is Saint Lucia, and they've named the falls there
Superman Falls. You can go see it today, but in
the script, and you see him go around and pick
up the different items at different places, and he's so
love struck while he's out that he straightens the leaning
tower of Pisa and upsets the vendor selling Tatchkeese. So

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that idea for the Pisa scene we see in three
who actually was first written in seventy seven by Mankowitz.
Then you come to this scene, sure, great, good morning America.

Speaker 9 (01:03:33):
This is East Houston, Idaho until yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
And here's Richard Leparmitier. He's famous for Darth Vader choking
him in Star Wars. He later married Sarah Douglas Andruss.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
We saw them together on Lifestyles of the Rich and
the Family Right.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
He also appeared in Rollerball with Sarah. Now you're gonna
hear John Ratzenberger on the radio, No, come in, Come in?

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Who else is seeing this?

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Ah?

Speaker 9 (01:04:11):
Well, with the satellite link up, just about everybody, I
mean the whole planet, the whole planet Houston, Earth, the whole.

Speaker 6 (01:04:19):
Planet Earth.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Gets you may continue.

Speaker 9 (01:04:25):
As the extraordinary story continues, this extraordinary story.

Speaker 16 (01:04:32):
If the whole planet is watching, can't we show them
something more interesting?

Speaker 10 (01:04:37):
Arm and.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
General thought does not take all this gives you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
Notice this town has no paved roads and no sidewalks right,
all dirt roads.

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
Some great stunt work here, copper tone ad.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
Hmm, you all right, buddy. Some great flame animation which

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they completely redid in the Donner cut. But right, sure,
we're open.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
He was right in the line of that fire and
nothing seemed to happen to him. I've been seeing the
likes of this and Superman.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
And we are in the White House, and all the
White House seems Donner. No, No, this is Lester.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
I believe this is Lester with a stand in for E. G. Marshall.
Later on we'll see the same almost the same shot,
but with different footage on the TV stuff. Notice on
the ride that guy's M sixteen was being held up
by a mannequin. I love this scene with Jack. Now

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coming up is a really interesting shot that I know
you'll appreciate.

Speaker 12 (01:06:28):
Jay.

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
That sign has an area code of three one three,
the Detroit area code, even though they're in Idaho. Look
at her fluttering her eyes. She said, all that debris
got in her got in her eyes. You'll see a

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Panavision camera with the back of a guy's head filming
that shot. Did you see how the camera?

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Then there's the miniature.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
Some more great Derek Medding's work here, done in very
large scale. Listen great behind the scenes photographs from this
shot online.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
If I win, I wrote, is there no one on
this planet to we even challenge?

Speaker 5 (01:07:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
He's busy right now, Let's have some dinner.

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
Mmmm.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
That beautiful crystal glass table in the fortress abandon.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
I love the way it's lit in green left here
with the flowers of paradise.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Here, cheers, cheers.

Speaker 6 (01:08:10):
Must be tough being Clark canned, isn't it?

Speaker 11 (01:08:14):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:08:15):
No, I really, I really like it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
Sometimes there's that slave even though I do, which we
see in the TV cut right right.

Speaker 6 (01:08:23):
But you know, if it weren't for him, I never
would have met you.

Speaker 14 (01:08:29):
But he is you. It's it's kind of confusing, not
to me.

Speaker 6 (01:08:37):
It doesn't the first time in my life. Everything's clear.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
The clarity in the blue rays, in particular the four
K really is remarkable.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
In this, especially the close ups of the costume.

Speaker 14 (01:08:59):
Right, I'm going to go change into something more comfortable.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
We're hoping one day that we see the extended TV
cut on Blu ray and widescreen many fans. We're anxious
to see that.

Speaker 16 (01:09:28):
Come forward, Your General wishes to speak.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
I am generals tough to see any of the red
in the costumes. Yes, today begins a new order. Your lands,
your possessions, your very lives will gladly be given in
tribute to me.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
General. You can return for your obedience.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
Have you seen a costume in person that shows the red?

Speaker 8 (01:10:00):
Mhm?

Speaker 5 (01:10:02):
So you are General, and who is your superior? I
answer only to the President, and he will answer to me.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
Actor Don Fellows, he's mister Hornsby who helps Clark can't
sell his farm? And superman for who the General?

Speaker 4 (01:10:22):
Yes, get out.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
We hoped you would not ask.

Speaker 6 (01:10:26):
I didn't know that because she's everything I want in life,
and she's.

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
Also in Raiders of the Lost Guard.

Speaker 14 (01:10:34):
She feels as much for you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Yes, and this conversation obviously refilmed with Lester, you must live.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
As Yes with Sarah Sarah Susannah Yorke, of course, instead
of Marlon Branda.

Speaker 16 (01:10:51):
Crystal Chamber has harnessed the rays of the Red son
of Krypton.

Speaker 15 (01:10:56):
Once exposed to these rays, all your.

Speaker 16 (01:10:59):
Great power on earth will disappear forever, I consider.

Speaker 14 (01:11:10):
Once it is done, there is no return.

Speaker 15 (01:11:12):
You will become an ordinary man.

Speaker 14 (01:11:15):
You will feel like an ordinary man.

Speaker 16 (01:11:18):
You can be hurt like an ordinary man.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
Love this shot.

Speaker 14 (01:11:31):
Oh my son, are you sure?

Speaker 12 (01:11:42):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (01:11:45):
Hi? Love her?

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
Some great footage in the making of Superman too, behind
the scenes for this. Remember they were shining the red
gels on him as he's losing his powers.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
Can we see Susannah York disappear?

Speaker 18 (01:12:15):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
Now during the depowering We're going to see some quick
footage that was shot during the Gauntlet scene when he
walks through fire, shot by Donner.

Speaker 6 (01:12:36):
Here.

Speaker 5 (01:12:36):
It is.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
Some great animation. I remember the reaction in the theater.
People just couldn't believe this is happening.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
Yeah, well, sure it's that you don't expect it. And
then you know who's all the crystals here? M I
may do such a great job right here, as you
you know, you see Clark walking out, and you see
Superman just kind of fade away and he's gone.

Speaker 3 (01:13:22):
And and he's wearing similar clothes to what we see
during the Donner cut right footage when he's talking with Gorell.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
You did all that for me. I don't know what
to say, just say you let me.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
When you the early Mario Puzo script, which you can
see on capewonder dot com. There's there was so much
discussion about how to handle this back in nineteen seventy
six and seventy five when they were writing these scripts.
But what to do about this about you know, a kryptonium,
a kryptonium and a mortal woman.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
There was quite a bit of objection from DC real.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
Yeah, yeah, they thought they needed to be married for
this to happen, and they said that taking his powers
away was the one way to, I guess, get away
with it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
This was a miniature done during the Donner years, but
originally URSA does this destruction? Not all through it?

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
Did we resist?

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
Back at Lake Powell. Same background footage we see when
he's chasing the rocket in the first film and used.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
At the start of the trailer for Superman two. Right,
This bed always struck me as a bed that didn't
It wasn't very breatheable.

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
No, it's like a water bed that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
I didn't have enough water in it, a rubbery aluminum foil.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
We believe this is stock footage, yeah, with of course
the villain's added in a booming slag zoom. Now This
entire sequence was shot by Donner, with the exception of
one shot where you see the American flag fall. Lots

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of stuntmen in this shot.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
In this sequence, you could really see the villains just
look a little different than we just saw them in
what was supposed to be Texas or was it Idaho?

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
Idaho? I yeah, there's the Leicester shot.

Speaker 5 (01:16:09):
M hm.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
Hmka.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
You are the one they called president. I am. I
see you are practiced in worshiping things that fly, good rise.

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
The makeup on Terrence is very pale in this shot.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
No Neil before I saw it. M. This poor guy
is not very president for at all, and they know it.
You are not the president. No one who leads so

(01:17:09):
many could possibly kneel so quickly.

Speaker 15 (01:17:13):
I am the man there protecting I'm the President. I'll
kneel before you if it will save.

Speaker 19 (01:17:21):
Lives, it will, starting with your own. What I do now,
I do for the sake of the people of the world.

(01:17:44):
But there is one man here on earth who will
never kneel before you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
Who is the symbasy.

Speaker 15 (01:17:52):
I wish I knew.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Oh god, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:18:02):
One of my favorite Terence Stamp moments.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
Yeah, you're off and quiet, over there.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
What about this shot here, Well, we're in BAMF National
Park and the Canadian Rockies and this is actually footage
shot during the Donner years. This is Lex Luthor's car.
That's what I thought that he flips and destroys.

Speaker 6 (01:18:19):
I didn't do it for you.

Speaker 3 (01:18:20):
Seventy five Dodge Monaco and we see miss Tess Smacker.
Here comes Dick Donner with a pipe. On the left.
There is Don's Diner now in the strip. This is
supposed to be in Alaska, Okay. And if you look
carefully when they walk in and look back out the window,
this is actually a mid seventies Mustang, so it's a

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very small car that.

Speaker 17 (01:18:45):
You get out of.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
Oh yeah, this was shot by whom.

Speaker 3 (01:18:52):
This is all Richard Donna, Caul, Richard Donner. Pamela Mandel
is the waitress. I'd like to she wins the jingle
Bengo in Superman.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
That's right to win the trip to South America.

Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
Right, And later she is at the u N it's
one of the delegates listening to Chris Reeve to give
his speech. And four in Superman four.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
So she's been in three Superman.

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
So nice.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
Pepper Martin famous wrestler actor.

Speaker 7 (01:19:26):
Thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:19:28):
Excuse me, sir, I think you see any my seat
her seats in there for I.

Speaker 19 (01:19:35):
Ah.

Speaker 6 (01:19:37):
I think perhaps somebody ought to teach you some manners.

Speaker 12 (01:19:39):
Sir.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
Yeah, well let me know what he.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
He plays such a good bad guy.

Speaker 8 (01:19:48):
Excuse me, sir, Would you care to step outside? I said,
excuse me, sir, would you care to step outside?

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
Now? Listen, fake's covered right up, keep it on the
flame on.

Speaker 6 (01:20:02):
There's just a minute stake.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
After you, Lark. You are right, fella, He's gonna be fine.

Speaker 10 (01:20:18):
Just give me one.

Speaker 6 (01:20:21):
Clark blood. That's my blood. I think maybe you ought
to hire a bodyguard.

Speaker 14 (01:20:28):
Pen.

Speaker 6 (01:20:29):
I don't want a bodyguard. I want the man I
fell in love with.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
I know that.

Speaker 18 (01:20:33):
Though I wish you were here, Clark.

Speaker 15 (01:20:46):
Boy, you just don't have enough sense to say down
and do you.

Speaker 12 (01:20:54):
No, No, I don't like your meat anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
Marco's great in that.

Speaker 10 (01:21:18):
Clark Clark.

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
Imagine seeing your blood for the first time. That gentleman
right there, sitting at the table he drives the taxi.
When Superman drills through the street and Superman the movie, Wow,
the ladies, Yeah, we'll.

Speaker 15 (01:21:36):
Have some fresh coffee and I'll turn the box on.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
This is such a great scene and the soundtrack is
used so well.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
Here President of.

Speaker 19 (01:21:44):
The United States, this is your president on behalf of
my country, and in the name of the other leaders
of the world with whom I have today consulted, I
hereby educate all authority and control over this planet.

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
To General Zod.

Speaker 19 (01:22:09):
Only by strict compliance with all his directions, with the
lives of innocent millions be spared.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
Superman, can you.

Speaker 10 (01:22:19):
Hear me, Superman?

Speaker 17 (01:22:21):
What who is this?

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
Superman?

Speaker 15 (01:22:24):
You'll find out, General, And when you do come.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
To me, Superman, if you dare, I defyre, you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:32):
Com com I nail hazard Zar here?

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
When? When? Where the hell are you being back on
a desert island. I have to go back.

Speaker 14 (01:22:51):
You can't go back. There's no way.

Speaker 1 (01:22:54):
Now I have to.

Speaker 6 (01:22:56):
I've got to try it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
Damn it.

Speaker 6 (01:22:57):
I've got to try something anything.

Speaker 14 (01:22:59):
It's your fault.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
You said the script said that they were supposed to
be an Alaskadus diner. Is that where they are?

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
That were there?

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
They're supposed to be here?

Speaker 6 (01:23:09):
I heard him, I just didn't listen.

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
This set is actually right next to the prison wall set.
Now we're back to Leicester.

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
This is Leicester footage.

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
Someone mentioned to me once upon a time that.

Speaker 14 (01:23:33):
Was that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:36):
Pepper Martin and the truck right here that passes that interesting.

(01:24:00):
I think there might have been some frostbite along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
I think so, especially for a human man.

Speaker 2 (01:24:08):
That's quite a.

Speaker 3 (01:24:09):
Walk, beautifully lit Leicster Fortress.

Speaker 6 (01:24:30):
Father, father, Oh, I really wish you could hear me
because I need you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
See I.

Speaker 12 (01:24:48):
M hm.

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
How is the moisture on his jacket there? Yeah, yeah,

(01:25:12):
of course. In the Donner cut we see him get
his powers back. He puts the crystal in the controls.
Joel appears and his powers are restored.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
Here you don't know, basically telling him this is the
last this is your last time, your last shot.

Speaker 3 (01:25:29):
Right, and we see Lois drop this crystal.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
Earlier right who's under under a purse?

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
Right right?

Speaker 3 (01:25:54):
M Leicester footage, not Donnor footage here at the White House,
this segment right here and this part.

Speaker 14 (01:26:15):
You're master of all you survey.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
So I was yesterday and the day before.

Speaker 3 (01:26:22):
Now we're on Donner footage as soon as Lex show.

Speaker 19 (01:26:33):
Mum, hello.

Speaker 15 (01:26:39):
Lex Luthor, Lex Luthor possible you've heard the name the
greatest criminal mind on Earth.

Speaker 14 (01:26:50):
I told you this was a puny planet.

Speaker 15 (01:26:52):
Wait at the moment. Wait you get to know me better,
will you?

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
Please? Wait?

Speaker 15 (01:26:58):
Look, I can give you anything you want. I can
give you the brass Ring, that unlimited freedom to maine.

Speaker 19 (01:27:06):
Kill, destroy, plus Lex Luthor's keen mind.

Speaker 3 (01:27:11):
Lex luthor sad is one of the best moments here
were guidance, yeh, Luther's.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
School a better.

Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
Oh hand crack cover all of this without you.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
You cannot bargain with what you don't.

Speaker 15 (01:27:25):
Have, oh, Magnificent one. What I am bargaining with is
what you do not have. The son of Jirell, the
son of Girell on this planet.

Speaker 12 (01:27:37):
Uh.

Speaker 15 (01:27:38):
Possibly you know him better by his norm de voir.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
Ure his name.

Speaker 15 (01:27:42):
He travels under Superman.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
Ah, so this is Superman. How do you know of Jireu?

Speaker 3 (01:27:52):
Oh my fullness, Magnificent one, Oh my fullness.

Speaker 15 (01:27:58):
About the best there is revenge.

Speaker 7 (01:28:01):
We will kill the son about ja revenge, revenge, you
know we're cooking.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
Then he flies, then constantly. He has powers as we do.

Speaker 15 (01:28:10):
Certainly, but no, Magnificent one. He is just one or
you are three or four if you count him twice.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
We will bring him to his knees.

Speaker 17 (01:28:25):
Wait, first, you must find him, and lex Baby is
the only one who knows where he is.

Speaker 12 (01:28:35):
What do you want?

Speaker 15 (01:28:40):
The world is a big place, Thank goodness.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
There, my knees are small.

Speaker 15 (01:28:49):
As it turns out, I have this affility for.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
Beachfront property, as we learned in the first film.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
What do you Want?

Speaker 12 (01:28:59):
Or straight?

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
Yeah, we're back at the Daily Planet and we're going
to see Lester footage as we see right here and
Donner footage edded together beautifully. And you can tell by
the length of Lois's hair right, she's wearing wigs during
the Leicester years. You have to be likely to make

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it easier to style because she always had to have
her hair and curlers. Between takes and the Donna years,
Mark's hair is longer, taller.

Speaker 1 (01:29:35):
We talk about continuity, trying to get things to match up.

Speaker 15 (01:29:38):
She knows his plays better than anybody.

Speaker 6 (01:29:44):
Yeah, better than anybody.

Speaker 15 (01:29:46):
Maybe he hasn't heard about it yet.

Speaker 3 (01:29:49):
Now we're at Donner footage, and when the shot goes
back to the office, you'll notice how much younger Mark looks.

Speaker 1 (01:29:58):
Right, and Margot's hair is now behind your ears.

Speaker 20 (01:30:04):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:30:24):
Another clue that you're looking at Leicster footage is the
telephony is white during the Lester years and black during
the Donner years. In Perry's office, there's that blue cup

(01:30:46):
on it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
Yes, that's right.

Speaker 14 (01:31:00):
Ah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
And anytime we've seen Gene Hackman, why I've see Gene Hackman.
We know that that's donn O footage.

Speaker 3 (01:31:08):
Right, you are right, chief.

Speaker 6 (01:31:15):
You can call this accumulated knowledge.

Speaker 15 (01:31:16):
When will these dummies learn to use a darknob? I?

Speaker 18 (01:31:21):
Uh, you should see the White House have been cleaning
for months.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
Lax, lutor, you promised me the son of Joel.

Speaker 15 (01:31:31):
I'll use your grace, but well I've given you is
the next best thing. You Just hold on that little
lady and uh you'll be along.

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
See.

Speaker 19 (01:31:41):
They had this relationship and she does all his public
relations and he gives her very exclusives.

Speaker 15 (01:31:47):
They're the best of friends.

Speaker 3 (01:31:49):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 14 (01:31:50):
What an undemanding mail?

Speaker 3 (01:31:52):
The superman must be.

Speaker 15 (01:31:54):
Yeah, and you could use the tack here and there yourself, sister.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
Wait, oh, I'm sorry for now Kim the rest starting
with him.

Speaker 3 (01:32:05):
In this scene, you'll notice that Ursa has all of
her medals and badges.

Speaker 1 (01:32:09):
We have to ye. White House surrenders the news.

Speaker 3 (01:32:13):
Vendor right here, Eugene Lipinski.

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
He is the.

Speaker 3 (01:32:21):
Cosmonaut that Superman rescues in Superman four?

Speaker 1 (01:32:25):
Wow right, yeah, General, would.

Speaker 6 (01:32:32):
You care to step outside?

Speaker 10 (01:32:34):
Superman?

Speaker 3 (01:32:35):
Care to step outside? Is lester?

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
I mean because freedom of the press was Donner right?

Speaker 11 (01:32:41):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:32:45):
Why is Bill Cosby in a picture in the office
because he did a nineteen sixty three comedy record talking
about Superman. That's the only connectra I can make. We've
got some fantastic Derrek Meddings miniatures combined with Donner footage

(01:33:07):
at Pinewood, some miniature flying models.

Speaker 1 (01:33:13):
Mostly everything you see on the ground is less right, yes,
right there.

Speaker 17 (01:33:18):
This is all.

Speaker 3 (01:33:20):
Miniatures and footage shot by Derek Meddings.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
Sign off, jail. We were beginning to think you were
a coward. I'm not a coward's dog.

Speaker 12 (01:33:35):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:33:35):
They built the whole set full size or full scale,
and it was supposed to be on forty second Street
between Second and Third Avenue in New York City, and
it was built right next to the Double O seven
sound stage outside of Pinewood in the middle of winter.

Speaker 2 (01:33:57):
Then domes you deserved to.

Speaker 1 (01:34:03):
Why a heat vision in this film?

Speaker 3 (01:34:06):
Richard Donner never got the chance to finish this. No Man,
same cab driver Alan Stewart. He was a stunt driver.

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
Take him, he's yours.

Speaker 3 (01:34:22):
He did stunt driving for Richard Donner in the sixties.
You've got some background plates during the Donner years. Whether
the optical blue screen flying was Donner or Lester unknown.

Speaker 1 (01:34:37):
For sure, he's look a lot like the optical shots
from the Supergirl trailer.

Speaker 3 (01:34:48):
Right front Projection's optic work shot from a car. Vic
Armstrong the stunt hitting the side of the building.

Speaker 15 (01:35:01):
The Big One's just as strong as Superman.

Speaker 3 (01:35:14):
I always love this Jay because he knocks the antenna
over on the Empire State Building right, And of course
that's the building that King Kong climbs. And in nineteen
seventy six Jack o'holleran was in that King Kong movie.

Speaker 1 (01:35:31):
That's right, Jessica Lang, Jessica Lang, hollow him.

Speaker 14 (01:35:41):
Ron.

Speaker 3 (01:36:00):
So many details to look at on this street. M
Aristo's JVC, lots of JVC mother care. I think was

(01:36:25):
an actual UK maternity baby store.

Speaker 2 (01:36:30):
This super Man is nothing of the kind. I've discovered
his weakness.

Speaker 6 (01:36:38):
He cares.

Speaker 2 (01:36:39):
He actually cares for these earth people like pets. I
suppose to sentimental.

Speaker 3 (01:36:49):
Some great pre digital practical working day. I love the
sign behind them. Some like it hot an air conditioning company,
Some like it hot nineteen fifty nine Marilyn Monroe movie. Yeah,

(01:37:11):
I spotted lots of Mustangs among the cars. One of
the products you see a lot of in this sequence
is Kentucky Fried Chicken.

Speaker 1 (01:37:31):
Good product placement again.

Speaker 3 (01:37:33):
Oh yeah, Essex oil. And I think this is the
first instance of super breath coming up.

Speaker 1 (01:37:45):
The first time we see him freeze up something.

Speaker 3 (01:37:49):
Chris really pulls it off on this one.

Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
Cooler cool at least it's right by him.

Speaker 2 (01:38:06):
I love this.

Speaker 3 (01:38:10):
When he stops it, it's it's great.

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
That's it frozen up.

Speaker 3 (01:38:44):
Some great miniature work here when none busts out of
the hole. Yeah, there are miniature cars, that's right, and
they're about twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:38:53):
Six twenty six inches long.

Speaker 3 (01:38:59):
Paulton does the stunt going through the building and again
everybody's he's falling through the floor, so they're all wired in.
Let gravity do the work.

Speaker 12 (01:39:14):
There we go.

Speaker 3 (01:39:16):
The maid does a yawn there. If you see that
during a battle, she's working and yawning.

Speaker 6 (01:39:34):
Mhm.

Speaker 1 (01:39:37):
The man whole cover.

Speaker 12 (01:39:40):
Boom.

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:39:46):
Paul Weston again as Zod.

Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
Right here.

Speaker 3 (01:39:59):
I can't mention Paul because he played Clark and Superman
opposite Chris during the Junkyard battle when Evil Superman arrives.
So Superman three.

Speaker 1 (01:40:11):
Turns on wires here.

Speaker 3 (01:40:12):
Yeah, and then we go to the dummy throw.

Speaker 12 (01:40:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:40:32):
Never thought this thing would go the distance.

Speaker 1 (01:40:39):
We really get to see this scene broken down in
the making of Superman two TV special.

Speaker 3 (01:40:45):
Great work with a forced perspective. Miniature bus, full scale
bus which Sarah hurt herself right because the chain slipped
and she kept trying to hold it up. Miniature bus.

(01:41:18):
If you go frame by frame on that shot, you'll
see that they can just hung a cape on the
side of the bus and there's no person.

Speaker 1 (01:41:26):
Oh it's interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:41:28):
Just as it hits the Marlborough bus.

Speaker 6 (01:41:39):
What's your wife, Sair?

Speaker 16 (01:41:41):
I got.

Speaker 3 (01:41:43):
Head see forty sixth Street on the side of the bus.

Speaker 2 (01:41:50):
Than let's go get him.

Speaker 1 (01:42:02):
You see a lot of miniature work up here.

Speaker 3 (01:42:05):
Coming up.

Speaker 1 (01:42:14):
Once again the use of super breath.

Speaker 3 (01:42:17):
Same sort of boot shot as we see later in
the Fortress with Superman's boots.

Speaker 1 (01:42:27):
There's that KFC there it is.

Speaker 3 (01:42:30):
You get a nice shot of a bunch of record
albums there. Yeah, I spotted a Beatles record. There's Stevie
Wonder record JVC. I love this one. This shot coming up,

(01:42:53):
there's can't can't cigarettes. Now look on the left you'll
see both mannequins holding KFC buckets in the window. Right, well,

(01:43:17):
look at that, Yeah, Heil, you made sure KFC was everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:43:24):
El two nine seven that license.

Speaker 3 (01:43:26):
Please notice the Omni sign there. Brian McKernan interviewed Christopher
Ree when he worked for Omni. Our friend, Brian, great
work here by Derek and his team. That's my favorite man.

(01:43:59):
It's or work. You get a good look at the
elastic strap on the back of Chris's belt there when
he stands up. Sometimes he wore elastic yeah during action shots,
so his belt would stretch. Looks so great on the

(01:44:32):
big screen.

Speaker 1 (01:44:34):
It really looks fantastic. This is a great takeoff. How
about the Superman two tops card?

Speaker 2 (01:44:44):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:44:48):
How cold? Look at their breath?

Speaker 1 (01:44:50):
He is a power after all, didn't you sure.

Speaker 3 (01:45:04):
We saw him earlier in the film.

Speaker 19 (01:45:11):
Ah.

Speaker 3 (01:45:18):
Now we're coming to a shot and you look, that's
a Gene Hackman stand in a just for that one.

Speaker 1 (01:45:26):
That one.

Speaker 3 (01:45:28):
Now we're looking at Donner Donner City was typically Warmer.
Lester's was cooler.

Speaker 15 (01:45:36):
The next time, the next time? What am I going
to do with you people? Lester delivered the Blue Boy.
What do I get from my triple thread?

Speaker 2 (01:45:48):
Bow Yil neil.

Speaker 15 (01:45:50):
That kind of stuff closes out of town.

Speaker 2 (01:45:51):
Why do you say this to me when you know
I will kill you for it?

Speaker 15 (01:45:56):
Kill me? Lex Luthor.

Speaker 7 (01:46:00):
Extinguished the greatest criminal flame of our age, eradicate the.

Speaker 15 (01:46:04):
Only man on earth, kill him Superman's address.

Speaker 2 (01:46:11):
Come the three of us will crush the sound of
our Jaila.

Speaker 14 (01:46:18):
Why not increase his handicap, says.

Speaker 3 (01:46:21):
He, but her pale makeup.

Speaker 2 (01:46:23):
Yes, let us take his favorite.

Speaker 3 (01:46:27):
I highly recommend listening to these films with full sized headphones.

Speaker 1 (01:46:31):
I know we're hearing so many things we didn't hear.

Speaker 3 (01:46:33):
Before, the sirens and all the sound effects.

Speaker 1 (01:46:36):
During the battle, even the clock chiming in the White house.

Speaker 3 (01:46:39):
Right Lester footage. Apparently this is one of the most
difficult uh zoptic shots because there were so many people
being suspended in photographed at the same time, so they

(01:47:01):
had three pole arms sticking out from the wall at
one time. That's a Donner shot. And then we're back
to Leicester footage when they land. She's gonna throw off
a gene hackman stand in and you'll see his arm.

(01:47:21):
Go behind the matte painting for a second. Great landings
on the Lester set, scruffy.

Speaker 1 (01:47:34):
Great landing from Sarah, a sentimental replica of a planet
long since vanished.

Speaker 2 (01:47:41):
No style at all.

Speaker 6 (01:47:43):
I expect better manners from my guests.

Speaker 3 (01:47:46):
Now watch he pulls off a plastic s off his
chest and then when he throws it's optical. Fans have
discussed these powers for a many many years.

Speaker 2 (01:48:02):
We must combine off strengths.

Speaker 3 (01:48:03):
Some of them feel like they could only do these
powers if they're in the fortress. They were somehow tapping
into fortress technology. The S the giant S is like
a taser.

Speaker 1 (01:48:26):
That's interesting because you don't see a lot of hackmen here. No,
not even a stand in.

Speaker 8 (01:48:38):
M hm.

Speaker 3 (01:48:42):
Some great optical work. And this was not any part
of Mankowitz.

Speaker 1 (01:48:58):
Scripture tricks. The these tree see the legs fall over.

Speaker 6 (01:49:05):
Yeah, we used to play this game at school.

Speaker 2 (01:49:07):
Everyone was very good at it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:08):
Which school superman?

Speaker 14 (01:49:11):
I knew that you mm.

Speaker 6 (01:49:13):
Hmmmm wrong again the.

Speaker 16 (01:49:24):
Release the general or will tear her pause?

Speaker 1 (01:49:32):
We assume miss Lester here as well, All Leicester, All.

Speaker 2 (01:49:35):
Le did you really think we would give up our advantage. No,
the son of Dorel will be my slave forever. If not,

(01:49:55):
the millions of Earthlings you protect will pay for your defiance.
Destroy this place. Hi, guys, Sorry, we have no more
use for this one.

Speaker 3 (01:50:07):
Now we're starting with Donner, right, he.

Speaker 1 (01:50:09):
Told Chris's hair as well.

Speaker 2 (01:50:11):
General, you came to me with nothing.

Speaker 10 (01:50:13):
I give you.

Speaker 3 (01:50:14):
Super is some of the first footage the Donner shot. Well,
look back in seventy seven.

Speaker 18 (01:50:18):
Watch it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:19):
Don't touch me, guys, A clod.

Speaker 15 (01:50:26):
Promises where the gifts exchanged. I gotta hand it to you.
You know you always told the truth. The guy always
knew where he.

Speaker 2 (01:50:33):
Stood with you. Hmm.

Speaker 6 (01:50:37):
Trying to get them all into this.

Speaker 3 (01:50:39):
Look at his cape and so thickly padded on the shoulders.

Speaker 6 (01:50:42):
Yeah, the later and turned them into ordinary human beings. Now,
if you could, don't go in there.

Speaker 2 (01:50:51):
General is a trapped you, poisonous snake. That's a molecule chamber.
It makes people like you into people like me. You've
done well, Lex Luthor.

Speaker 19 (01:51:02):
General, the crystal there activates the mechanism.

Speaker 2 (01:51:07):
Lex Luthor, Ruler of Australians, activate the machine.

Speaker 14 (01:51:12):
H thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:51:19):
With your permission, the great Jeffrey Unsworth.

Speaker 2 (01:51:35):
Some of his.

Speaker 3 (01:51:39):
Shots are just so beautifully lit. Yeah, poagal Lester footage.
Never we see the chamber door opening and closing.

Speaker 2 (01:51:48):
That's Lester.

Speaker 3 (01:51:50):
Look at that shot.

Speaker 1 (01:52:12):
Remember when you saw the scene for the first time, Right,
You're like, man, this is it?

Speaker 6 (01:52:17):
This is it?

Speaker 1 (01:52:18):
What could possibly happen now?

Speaker 3 (01:52:23):
One of the scripts I read describes Superman returning to
the fortress and waving his hands over some crystals, but
we're unaware of what he's doing before they arrive, and
the Donner cut. You can hear Zod in this shot. Say, Neil.

Speaker 15 (01:52:48):
Had that sweary turn, loyalty.

Speaker 21 (01:52:54):
True sort, let's just hold hands.

Speaker 2 (01:53:06):
It's creep.

Speaker 3 (01:53:22):
Paul Weston hits the wall.

Speaker 2 (01:53:35):
He switched it.

Speaker 12 (01:53:37):
He did it to them.

Speaker 6 (01:53:38):
I mean the lights were on out here.

Speaker 15 (01:53:41):
Well he was safe in there. Hey you know something,
you're a real pain in the neck.

Speaker 3 (01:53:50):
Yeah, all that punch worth this day, Lester, Just for
a few seconds you are. And then back to Donner again.

Speaker 8 (01:54:02):
I know you double cross me, Luther, a lying weasel
like you couldn't resist the chance?

Speaker 18 (01:54:07):
Are you kidding?

Speaker 4 (01:54:10):
I was good you all the time?

Speaker 1 (01:54:11):
That was beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:54:12):
Did you see the way they fell into our trap.

Speaker 18 (01:54:15):
Too late, Luther, too late.

Speaker 3 (01:54:18):
One of the scripts describes hearing a smack and Lex
falls into a hole. Oh and lowest goes I never
knew he could sink so low. Let's wipe the or
sink the lowest. That's what she said. Because you never
get an explanation. It was Jeane just left to thin

(01:54:41):
for himself in there.

Speaker 1 (01:54:42):
Well, and when we have the Lester cut on television, wait,
we learned more.

Speaker 6 (01:54:48):
Anywhere you want to go.

Speaker 3 (01:54:51):
The villain survived and they're all hauled off. You are,
so check that out in the supplementals of the Blu
Ray and dB.

Speaker 1 (01:54:58):
In the four K.

Speaker 3 (01:55:01):
Donner footage, beautiful takeoff. Yeah, you watch carefully, you'll notice
there are two guys inside Lewis's apartment.

Speaker 1 (01:55:19):
She jumps up and down and there's somebody sitting down
to dinner and the next of the lower.

Speaker 3 (01:55:23):
One, actually he's sitting down on the toilet.

Speaker 1 (01:55:25):
Oh is that right?

Speaker 3 (01:55:26):
A little Donner humor there? Yeah, back to Leicester footage.
There's that white one piece jumpsuit there like they wear
on the roof.

Speaker 1 (01:55:41):
Back of Marbles.

Speaker 3 (01:55:46):
You we never see Clark's office, do we?

Speaker 20 (01:56:00):
Hi?

Speaker 17 (01:56:10):
Hi?

Speaker 2 (01:56:14):
I just sleep all right.

Speaker 6 (01:56:19):
No, I didn't close my eyes all night.

Speaker 3 (01:56:25):
Another newspaper on the wall.

Speaker 2 (01:56:27):
I understand is that the I spent the night.

Speaker 12 (01:56:29):
Now it is.

Speaker 10 (01:56:32):
I sat up all night listening to the voices of reason.

Speaker 3 (01:56:36):
Lester did a good job with putting papers.

Speaker 5 (01:56:40):
You've been sitting up all night crying.

Speaker 1 (01:56:42):
I'm sorry the way a reporter would probably put one
of their most you know.

Speaker 20 (01:56:49):
Sort of like being married to a doctor. You know,
the doctor gets waking in the middle of the night,
and then the wife has to cope with the fact
that he's gone.

Speaker 6 (01:56:58):
I guess I'm just too selfish. No, No, you're not
selfish at all.

Speaker 14 (01:57:03):
Yes, I am selfish when it comes to you. I
am selfish, and I'm jealous of the whole world.

Speaker 6 (01:57:15):
Lois. It may not be easy for you to hear
this now, but someday you'll clark.

Speaker 20 (01:57:22):
Look, don't tell me that I'll meet somebody. You're kind
of a fact to follow, you know. Now, I'm gonna
be fine. You don't have to worry about me.

Speaker 6 (01:57:43):
I like worrying about you.

Speaker 10 (01:57:46):
Would you stop?

Speaker 6 (01:57:49):
Don't you know that this is killing me?

Speaker 20 (01:57:52):
Do you know what it's like?

Speaker 2 (01:57:53):
Have you come in here every morning and not be
able to talk to you, not show.

Speaker 14 (01:58:01):
I have any feelings for you.

Speaker 1 (01:58:03):
There just hasn't been chemistry like this between two characters
in any Superman film.

Speaker 21 (01:58:10):
Like this, I don't have to say, and this.

Speaker 3 (01:58:18):
Is proof that no matter who's directing them, they have
magical chemistry.

Speaker 12 (01:58:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:58:27):
Now, our good friend Daniel Sanchez did some research and
found out that Action Comics number three oh six in
November of nineteen sixty three featured the Superkiss really something
very similar to this. There was a lot of discussion

(01:58:51):
during the development of the Richard Donner cut Superman two
years ago. Should we use the Lester super Kiss or
should did we go back to the original script with
around They Michael Thaw, who we've interviewed on our podcast,
he actually called me and said which version would you use?

(01:59:12):
And I said, well, I'd use the super Kiss or
I just leave it where she knows. Yeah, but they
decided to stay true to the man can.

Speaker 2 (01:59:21):
Be for Heaven's sake.

Speaker 15 (01:59:26):
Good for you, God, Just drink Okay, I'm fine.

Speaker 10 (01:59:37):
What was I talking about before I know you?

Speaker 6 (01:59:39):
Was probably about Superman.

Speaker 15 (01:59:42):
Again?

Speaker 10 (01:59:43):
Oh Clark, Clark got a stopping.

Speaker 3 (01:59:45):
Threatened every time I got Christus Clark Kent is so amazing.

Speaker 19 (01:59:49):
Expect to be anything but what you are.

Speaker 6 (01:59:51):
Well, I'll try to remember that.

Speaker 15 (01:59:52):
Well, you better remember that I appreciate you. You do, sure,
especially if you get me a hamburger.

Speaker 6 (02:00:00):
A hamburger at nine am.

Speaker 14 (02:00:04):
Yeah, and everything on it?

Speaker 6 (02:00:05):
Okay, everything on it? Oh and orange juice. Sure if
it's freshly squel used.

Speaker 3 (02:00:12):
Any nice guy, IBM Selectric typewriter. They still have those
rotary fons.

Speaker 6 (02:00:22):
What's happening in the world.

Speaker 1 (02:00:28):
He love how he looked back at her after her
Just just a double check to make sure everything and solid.

Speaker 3 (02:00:39):
Look at the background the motel signs signs there.

Speaker 6 (02:00:43):
You may never played those garbage.

Speaker 15 (02:00:46):
That's my number one special rocket.

Speaker 2 (02:00:48):
All right, Eh, there's more coffee.

Speaker 22 (02:00:51):
See that's funny. I never seen garbage eat garbage before.
Excuse me, sir, I think you're sitting in my favorite seat.

Speaker 2 (02:01:09):
Come and get it.

Speaker 1 (02:01:13):
Again. Another another scene that you just goes. Go back
to the first time you saw it, and how great,
how great it was in the theater.

Speaker 3 (02:01:21):
People cheered when I saw them. Yeah, many times I
went to see this in the theater. Every time they cheered.

Speaker 1 (02:01:30):
That punch in the hand cracking.

Speaker 3 (02:01:33):
There it is, and I did a freeze frame on
his food. Yeah, it's steaking eggs with baked beans. Watched.

Speaker 2 (02:01:48):
Yeah, disorders to go.

Speaker 3 (02:02:02):
Tilt.

Speaker 6 (02:02:03):
I'm terribly sorry about all the damage, sir, Well I've been.

Speaker 3 (02:02:12):
I love how the wife grabs the money out of
his hand. She look at her face. My second favorite
scene in the movie. Yeah, same shot Frozen and the Sky,
added with the miniature Lester footage.

Speaker 6 (02:02:39):
Sorry it's been away so long. I won't let you
down again.

Speaker 3 (02:02:47):
In the seventy ninth script, he goes back and pushes
the leaning tower piece of back in its place. Then
they go to this, there's no American flag.

Speaker 1 (02:02:56):
This shot the same as the first film or different version.

Speaker 3 (02:02:59):
This is a different version version.

Speaker 1 (02:03:07):
Coming soon. Superman three.

Speaker 3 (02:03:14):
You didn't have to wait till the end of the
credits this time, right like in Superman the movie. Of
course it said coming next year. That's right, And we
didn't see it until at least in the US till
nineteen eighty one.

Speaker 1 (02:03:35):
Well, fantastic. Every time we see Superman two.

Speaker 3 (02:03:38):
It did an amazing job putting all the footage together. Yeah,
John Victor Smith, the editor, really had a monumental job.
On his hands.

Speaker 5 (02:03:51):
M h.

Speaker 1 (02:03:52):
It was like putting together a puzzle. And again they
had they needed, They needed to really go through the script,
see what they shot, what they didn't, and then they
they're kind of right around things, which they did and
really good at.

Speaker 3 (02:04:04):
Lea remember all the boxes of footage in that making
of that in his editing room. One of the most
exciting extended TV cuts, of course, is this film, which
came out on ABC TV in February of nineteen eighty four. Yeah,

(02:04:26):
and the fans today so desperately want a blu ray
of that. And when I talked to Warner Archive a
few years ago, right after Superman the Movie Extended Cut
came out, they very much had an interest in releasing it,
but we haven't seen it yet.

Speaker 1 (02:04:44):
So much of the footage that you see in the
lesser extended TV cut included Donner footage that we saw
in the Donner cut. Do we know what some of
the existing scenes are that we've yet to get good copies.

Speaker 4 (02:04:59):
Of, Well, a concord fly button, the Concord five.

Speaker 3 (02:05:03):
I sure we've only seen that on the you know,
VHS pen and scan.

Speaker 12 (02:05:07):
Right.

Speaker 3 (02:05:09):
The extended TV cut is about nineteen minutes longer than
the theatrical Okay. The theatrical cut is about sixty six
percent Lester and thirty four percent Donner, Okay, But the
TV cut is forty five percent Donner Lester fifty five.

(02:05:33):
So there's less Lester more Donner right in the TV cut.
In the TV cut right, the richer Donner cut is
eighty three percent Donner sixteen percent Lester.

Speaker 1 (02:05:46):
Because there was just some things they had to use
from Lester to make the Donner cut work.

Speaker 3 (02:05:51):
The Metropolis Battle, the u Niagara Falls, scenes like that.
There is a typo in this, okay. Instead of prison Warden,

(02:06:12):
it's prison Warner. Oh and they credit Jack Cooper as
Jackie Cooper.

Speaker 1 (02:06:19):
That's right now.

Speaker 3 (02:06:19):
I don't know if that's a mistake. I don't think
that was his nickname or his formal name, but all
the promotional materials also say Jackie Cooper. I bring that
up because some fans initially thought it was Jackie Cooper
the editor playing both parts. Well, obviously it.

Speaker 1 (02:06:36):
Wasn't an Agera Park's commission.

Speaker 3 (02:06:45):
Do you have a favorite scene or moment in Superman two?

Speaker 1 (02:06:51):
I love you know, the Alley transformation obviously like you,
and I love general with care to step outside. That's like,
you know, it's game on.

Speaker 3 (02:07:03):
You know that really does work better than freedom of
the pressure.

Speaker 1 (02:07:06):
Yeah, there you go. That's Superman two, the Leicester cut.
We hope you'll join us again on the Cape Wonder
Superman podcast because Jimmy know what's next. The Donner Cut,
Superman three, Superman four, and.

Speaker 3 (02:07:18):
Then when the extended TV cuts come out, we must
do those as well.

Speaker 1 (02:07:22):
We'll have those as well. Thank you everybody for listening today.
I hope you had fun hanging out with us, and
it was great to hang out with each other and
get to do this today.

Speaker 3 (02:07:30):
Hey Jay, I'm really glad you're here in my home.

Speaker 1 (02:07:33):
Yes, that's right.

Speaker 3 (02:07:34):
Doing this together really makes a difference. And we hope
that you had a grand time listening to us go
on and on and our continued excitement about this film.

Speaker 1 (02:07:44):
So many years later, I forget that we're doing commentary.
Sometimes I got sucked into the film and couldn't stop watching,
and I've only seen it a million times. Thank you
everybody for listening. We'll see you again soon.

Speaker 3 (02:07:53):
Stay super

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