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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the We Don't Podcast, starring husband and wife
Mojo from Mojo in the Morning and his better half Chelsea.
On this episode.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
On this episode of the Weed Podcast, we've been kind
of off for a hiatus for a little bit, and
we're coming up on a year of doing this podcast.
That's right crazy to think that crazy. Will this podcast
end after this episode? Will our marriage end after this episode?
(00:42):
Find out in forty minutes.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Well, all right, all right, all right, without further delay,
here are Mojo and Chelsea.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
All right, so we took off.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
We actually just got back from a very fun family vacation. Yes,
I know that this is something that you hate to say,
but we went on a family vacation, just the five
of us, to celebrate the Big five that is coming.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
Up, the Big five, that it's coming out, the Big Five. Oh, okay,
you hate it, don't you? No, I don't hate it.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Do you think I'm trying to make you fifty before
you're fifty? Yes?
Speaker 5 (01:31):
I think you do that all the time.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
It's kind of like me trying to make you eighteen
before you were eighteen.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
For those that don't know, you and I actually met
when I was twenty you were seventeen and no, yeah,
I met in.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
May of Oh, that's right, you were turning twenty one.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
I was turning twenty one in like a month, less
than a month.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
Right, right, right right. I'm trying to look up and
see when our first episode this it's been over.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
It has been because when did we start this?
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Well, July thirty first I made a post and that
was our third episode. Wow, so it's been over a year.
We didn't even know.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
We're one. Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 5 (02:15):
We're one?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
And it was interesting because we started this podcast for
a couple of reasons, but one of the biggest reasons
was we were getting ready to send our baby off
to college.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
I think July seventeenth would have been our first one,
and it was kind of almost like a little therapy
for you to do this, it was, and we just
we're told by our baby that he's getting ready to
go back to college.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Yep, and so he's what less than two weeks right.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
Well, two weeks from today.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Which where did the summer go?
Speaker 5 (02:46):
I don't know? So sad.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
It was crazy how fast it went.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
And honestly, it's interesting because usually summers go really really
fast because the weather sucks, and I think the weather's
actually been great. It's just been very hot.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Well, it started off a little happy, but it's been
typical Michigan. It starts off crappy, then it gets nice,
and then it's over and it's hot and then it's over.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Well it's like hot, hot, hot, and then it's done cold. Yeah,
all right, So I want to talk to you about
a couple things coming only I want to Can I
interview you on this podcast?
Speaker 4 (03:19):
You always hate when I do this?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Okay, we just got done just the five of us
being all together. We talked a lot about this on
our last episode of this podcast, and actually I think
the podcast before that we talked about it too, like
we were getting ready to go out away together as
a family.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
It was just the five of us. Am I building
this thing up?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Like I exaggerate pretty much everything in saying that it
might have been the best week that we've had as
a family.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Maybe ever.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
So I don't know if i'd say ever, but I
would say definitely recent in recent years. Like I have
very fond family vacation memories of when the boys were little.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
But I'm not even talking about vacations. I'm talking about
just being together as a family.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Yeah, but I'm including that in there, like I would
say that there were times that, you know, we've been
in California or we were lucky enough to go to Hawaii,
and those were some really good memories that I have
of the five of us.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
But it's weird because we as a core group, as
five of us, have not been together where there wasn't
somebody else involved. There wasn't another family member that came,
There wasn't friends that came. We've done that before, though,
but I'm saying we haven't done that in forever. I
(04:43):
mean it's been five ten years maybe more that it was.
It was so just to tell everybody about this.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
It was just.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Myself, Chelsea, our oldest Joe Are, our son Jacob, and
our youngest son Luke.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
So it was just the five of us.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
We didn't have anybody else that was joining us or
coming to visit with us, or we didn't go somewhere
where we knew other people. It was literally we would
wake up in the morning, we would all get up
as a group, we would all take turns showering, and
then we would go off and do something like some
sight seeing stuff because we ended up going to London,
(05:29):
and it was something that you had really wanted for us,
just to be together for your birthday. And your birthday
is not until September, so we're not going to turn
you fifty yet. And I'll talk more about that later,
but it was just really cool. It was cool to me.
(05:49):
I wanted to know what were some of your greatest
you know, things that you were thinking, not even so
much memories from the trip, but what were some of
the things, because my heart was literally, this is really
a blessing that the five of us.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Well so too. The thing was, yeah, I'm turning fifty
this year, and a couple obviously some of my best
friends have turned fifty or they actually they both have
already turned fifty. So Leah turned fifty in October and
Tanya turned fifty in February. So we met there before.
Tanya was with her family. They were doing this huge
(06:27):
trip and they were making a stop in London, and
so Lee and I said, you know what, we're going
to meet you there and that this is what we're
going to do to celebrate our fifty it's just us girls.
And then I thought, okay, well it'd be great if
you guys came and joined us after.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
So.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
I got to adjust everything and really decide what I
wanted the five of us to do and where I
wanted us to go and what, you know, all of that.
So I was versed on how the public transportation and
all of that stuff. So by the time you guys
got there, it was you know, I had a blast
with my girlfriends, and then it was you know, round two.
And I was so excited because I was not jet lagged.
(07:09):
I'd been there for a little bit and so and
I was so excited just to have you guys there
and to show you everything. And up until our you
know blowout, we'll talk about it, but that was, uh yeah,
it was. I mean, I don't every day was exciting
and fun and new.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
And the thing I learned was how much family means
to you. You know, you are you're a person who
you know, you have an unbelievable family, you come from
an unbelievable family, but to you, your children are definitely
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what means the most in your life. And watching you
with the boys, you know, there were some moments that
we had where there was just tons of laughter, there
was lots of alcohol, There were moments of.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Hold on a second.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Here, let me see if I can actually pull this, uh,
pull this up.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
But I mean there was here you go. Here's I
don't know how sober this is.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
It was not sober. That was after two bottles of wine.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
It was.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
That was two bottles of wine. And I had gone
to Abba with my girlfriends before, and we had gone
to the show, and so everywhere we went, their subway
system is called the Tube, So when you go down
to the Tube, there's all of these posters of all
of the shows that were up. So Abba was always
there in the background, and so I kept on showing
(09:00):
the boys, Oh my gosh. I went to that show,
and then we went to The Lion King as a family,
and then we'd also gone to MJ the musical anyway,
so that was after two bottles of wine and a
great meal. We were walking back to the hotel and
I saw an Abba poster and so I decided to
(09:22):
pull up Dancing Queen and sing it with the boys.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
And I know that you look at things you know
very I guess, I don't know, black or white, Like
you're like trying to explain what we were doing.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
But what was it like for you? To have drinks
with the kids. What was it like for you?
Speaker 5 (09:42):
This is funny between you and I, Like for you,
you want me to make it into some dramatical like
and I don't know, I don't know what to say
it like, it was amazing. It was the best here.
This drives you crazy when the dogs. I know doing
this at home, I know doing it in the studio,
so you have to it's the lesser of two evils.
(10:03):
But it was amazing. It was everything I asked for
and more. I don't know how to explain, Like I
don't know how to paint the picture you want me
to paint, other than to tell you it was like
a great I posted it on our We Don't podcast
page because that was such an amazing moment for me.
It was so much fun. It was great at every
(10:24):
single moment. Even the big blowout fight was something that
you know, I'll never forget. It was the best six
days while you guys were there of my life.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Let's talk about the big blow out fight, okay, because
that was something that I discussed a little bit on
the air, but I didn't want to, like tell the
whole story of what happened. Joe and I got into
a fight. I said something to him and we were
talking about radio, and I said.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Well, he was freaking out about something with work that
was going on with work, so he was really distracted.
And I think that frustrated you that he was distracted
at dinner and you not like in a And you
know the backstory to that is you two are in
this same business, obviously, and sometimes your core conversation is
(11:12):
always based around work. And I think you didn't want
it to be work while we're on vacation. You wanted
it just to be, hey, we're on vacation. But he
was wrapped up in some drama that was going on
back at When he is a lot like you, when
something happens with work, it consumes him and he cannot
focus on anything else. He is like you, And so
(11:37):
he said something. Then you said something that wasn't the
nicest and then he freaked out, stood up through his
napkin in the air. Was very dramatic. We're in the
middle of this beautiful restaurant in London and he throws
(11:58):
his napkin up and leaves.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
The restaurant and says he's going back home.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
And well, he just left. We didn't know that, and
then he sent me a text saying that he was
sorry and that he was going to leave and get
a flight. Meanwhile, this is when all of that huge
What was that there was a computer issue that I
(12:23):
remember that game. You guys were lucky just to get out.
You your flight and the paras flight was the only
flight that got out international that day anyway, So he
so there were no flights to be had because this
was night three and they still were trying to fix everything.
And then You're sitting at the table and then you're
(12:44):
telling me, well, I'm leaving. If he's leaving, I'm leaving too.
And I'm like, okay, what a great evening. And then
I look at Jacob, and Jacob is upset, and this
is again alcohol starts bringing out the truth, and so
he shares something that has bothered him. And so then
(13:07):
our food gets brought to the table.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
And Luke ends up getting up to go find it.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Well, we ate first. We ate first, and it was
some of the best food we'd ever had, and so
we asked for a doggie bag for Joe's food, and
then Luke wanted to get up and go find Joe.
And it was just like a mile away, and he
knew the path back to the hotel, so it was
(13:34):
a straight shot back to the hotel. So he left
to go find Joe. And then I made you and Jacob.
I said, you two are going to discuss your issues
and I want to, you know, hopefully it's solved by
the time we get back to the hotel. I'm going
to walk in front of you, and so I walked
a distance in front of you and you two discussed
(13:56):
what's going on with you two.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
So the Joe in my situation.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Was a situation that honestly, looking back on it, not
realizing how much hurt it was for Joe. Not just
he said something about to not give too much information
away where it causes any more issues. He had said
(14:24):
something about a person who I have a fond respect for,
and he was upset with this person because this particular
person took away a great moment for Joe. That was
a moment that he and I could have had shared
with each other.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
And it was And to you, it wasn't a big
deal that it was taken away. You didn't see that
in your view. It wasn't like, oh, that was taken
away from you you just because it was such a
huge moment. You didn't care how it was delivered, But
it should have been delivered from Joe and not the
this other person. Yeah, and that has been harboring, that's
(15:03):
been for years, Joe's that's.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Been eating at Shoe for a while. And it was
it was Joe had a major accomplishment that happened to
him in his career. And Joe wanted to call me
to tell me this accomplishment.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
And this person.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
Called and told me he was excited for Joe too.
So there was no malicious intent from that person, but
he was so proud and so excited for Joe too.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Looking at it, after seeing Joe's anger of what happened, Yeah,
and stick and hurt and me sticking up for him,
I see it, and I get it because I don't
have my parents with me, and I would rather be
the person to deliver the news to my dad like
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Joe would, and he it was actually a pretty cool moment.
So here we are in this really bad situation where
we're ruining the trip for Chelsea, and I say where
I am because I, you know, yelled at Joe. I
should have been the bigger person and honestly not done
that and it was stupid.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
And then.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Having a conversation later with Joe really was, you know,
eye opening to me because he has told me how
much it hurt him that this person did it, and
it took that moment for me to realize.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Yeah, up before yeah, the Jacob.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
You know interaction that he and I had with each other,
the Jacob, the thing that really hurt Jacob was a
huge eye opener for me because I have like, I
never saw that coming at all. And Jake listens to this,
Can I share a little bit or no? Do you
think I think okay?
Speaker 5 (16:55):
I think it's very relatable.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Actually, okay, So in Jacob, I hope that you're okay
with this because I think, okay, so Jacob, So I think,
oh good.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I'm good with Jacob and Luke. I'm just in a
bad place with Joe right now. Which Joe and I,
for anybody who's listening, we're so much alike. We do
the same occupation, and I think that he and I
go at each other, but then we also love each
other very very hard. And I think that I put
(17:28):
probably it's probably a lot of pressure for Joe to
have me be his dad because of how how long
I've been in this industry, in the radio industry, and
I've been successful, and so it's tough. It's tough to
go in into the family business, Okay, And Jacob shares with.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Me, and Joe has never one thing. I will say,
Joe has never been given anything. He knows people because
of who his dad is, but no one has said,
I'm giving you this job because your dad is Mojo.
He has been given opportunities to meet people, but he
has to prove himself to those people to get offered
a job. And he has to prove.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Himself way more than I ever had, way.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
More and way more than a lot of other people do,
because they do expect a lot more out of him
because of who his dad is. So not only has
he risen up to the occasion, he has shown very
brightly shot.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Yeah, yeah, he shined. But I will say this about Joe.
One of the things about Joe is.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
There were a lot of people that before Joe's been
in his position right now, wanted to hire him, but
we're afraid that it would look like they were just
trying to hire Mojo's son. And he messed out on
some opportunities because of that, and those people are kicking
themselves because they've heard how Joe is done and seeing
(18:52):
how Joe is done, and so it is tough. It's
it's very very tough because you know, you have to
you have to almost prove yourself doubly.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Well.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Jacob comes to me and this walk that we're going back,
well the table, Yeah, he told me at.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
The table how much pressure he.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Feels having me as his father.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Which, for those that don't know, my son, Jacob.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Has highly accomplished, graduated from you know, college with incredible grades,
went on and got a master's and a doctorate and
is almost close to his to both you know, it's
going to be is going to be a doctor of
psychology practicing and he'll be you know, able to call
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him that at this time next year, you know.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
And I look at him as a non college graduate,
barely got out of a high school, and I go, wow,
this is this is unbelievable. You know, look at what
he's done. And we're both so.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Very very proud of all of our boys, and Jacob
is honestly, you know, you and I talk about it
all the time, like, holy crap, this is amazing, like
what he has done. And he tells me something that
I never would have been a million years ever thought,
and that was that he feels a lot of pressure
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me and my son because he has seen that I
have had success.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
Well he feelt he how can he be as successful
as you in his field?
Speaker 4 (20:30):
And it's wild for me because.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
I try to make sure I tell all the boys
how proud I am with them, and I truly am.
And it makes me realize that no matter how much
you tell them, it's on how they feel, you know,
it's in how they feel.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
And I never would have did you ever? Was that
a stacker to you?
Speaker 5 (20:58):
And when he told me that at dinner, I was shocked, Yeah,
because I thought I saw that he was upset and
I said, what's wrong? And he's like, I just I
feel this pressure too, like I feel I'm never going
to be as successful as Dad. And I was like,
oh my gosh, oh my gosh, honey, like you are ready.
(21:19):
You've accomplished so much more than Dad already has, you know,
with school and his determination to get through so much.
And that's when I said, have you you need to
tell your dad this, like you have got to talk
to dad about it, and I think it's so good.
But I think it's very relatable. I think that, whether
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you realize it or not, your kids do look up
to you in a sense, you know, can I accomplish
what he's accomplished? Can I do what she's done? Can I?
Speaker 4 (21:52):
You know?
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Excuse me? But I think that that is so relatable.
Whether you realize it or not, you're heads could be.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Dealing with that, and it's and we talk about this,
and I'm talking honestly. Normally, I always talk just to
the listener that that's listening to as saying, but I'm
talking to Jacob because that's the one listener that I
give a shit about right now. But Jacob, I hear you, yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
And I think that's that's all that has to be said, too,
is that it's really important because you can say no,
I'm so proud, no, but it is. I hear you.
I hear you, and I validate it, and I you know,
I'm not gonna show it away with anything. I just
and then honestly, we are so so so proud of you,
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like we cannot truly be more proud.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
And Joe, I hear it more exciting exactly I hear you.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah, and Luke, I hear you because you know I
I know that, and I you know, I know that
they all are each you know, they each have such
different they're such different people, which is so awesome. And
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I think spending time with them like we did last week,
I realized how different each one of them are, but
how similar they are and how.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Much they care for each other. Yeah, it was it
was really cool.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Like I know, you don't you want to just say, well,
we did this and this and this, and you think that.
I want you to tell you the the what last
week meant. I think what last week meant to this
family is bigger than anything we've ever done, because the
one thing that you and I have tried to build
(23:54):
with these guys is the importance of family and the
importance of And that's why I think the three is
better than the two if we didn't have Luke, because
there's always the one that can keep you in check, right,
there's always the odd vote, you know, or the or
the deciding vote, hiebreaker. And the one thing that I
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realized when the three are together and they're they're there, God,
they're so strong. They fight with each other, but then
they love on each other right after all?
Speaker 5 (24:25):
Well, and I think for me, you know, and I
see this with your family, your siblings are the people
that are going to know you the longest in life, truly,
you know, like you you will outlive your parents. You know,
you had you had fourteen years with your with your mom,
you know, and so but you look, you've had fifty
(24:49):
four with your siblings. So they are your secret. They're
the gate keepers to some of your secrets. They're the
gate keepers to your childhood memories. They're the you know,
you marry a spouse, you know, I have thirty years
of your memories, but they have fifty four of yours.
Like so for me, it's so important that my kids
(25:13):
have that like I and you can't force them to
have a relationship, but for me, like it's gonna make
me emotional, but I want them to say, like, do
you remember when we went to London with a mom
and she was dancing in the street like a crazy woman.
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You know, that is what that trip meant to me.
And that's why it is so important. And I know
as Joe gets engaged in our family grows, there's going
to be more people to that memory. But man or
to our group. But there is something so special about
the with it being the five and listen, even if
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we were divorced, I would say to you, hey, give
me do this trip together, like there's something about it
for me that is just like I don't know what
it is, but for me, it's like the five of
us that is something sacred and special. And again it's
not to say that I don't want other people coming
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into the group because if we were divorced and you
had someone else and I had someone else, and eventually
they are.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
We getting divorced because you keep bringing that now.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
I'm just saying I think that there is some there
are different. We've gone through so many things in our life.
Like I'm just not afraid to say that, but we've
gone through so much in our life that I could
picture that with us. I know, you know, I.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Learned a lot about us as a family on this
trip that I not necessarily would have thought that we
would get out of it when we were or even
just enjoying the first day or two of it. And
(27:05):
I think what I learned the most is as tough
as things can get and things that night, it was
night number three that things got tough.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Yeah, we were able to work through, but we were
able to learn a lot about each other. You know.
You know it's interesting, Jacob, I had.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
No fights with anybody, so Luke and I, Luke and
I were not the fight.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
But can I tell you something about you and Luke
to to a big degree in this this case, you
guys are like you are amazing at knowing and I
don't know how many of our listeners are.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Are like this.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
And if you're not, you hopefully have somebody that you
can turn to, whether it be through a family member
or therapist, whoever it might be, but somebody that just
gives good advice. And that night when it happened, you said, relax,
pull back, stop texting Joe. You will see him face
to face and you'll be able to have a conversation
(28:14):
with him, and then with Jacob. I'm going to walk
ahead of you, guys, so that he can tell you something.
And his voice was quivering. He was very, very emotional,
he was crying, and he told me something that I
never I'm telling you in a million years, I could
(28:34):
have said five or six other things that I might
have done all the time that might have hurt you know, Jacob,
I never thought that that would be something that you know,
would be hurting him. And what it proved to me
was how awesome you are at making sure that you
keep this family solid, but also how amazing it is
(28:59):
that we have the relationship with our sons that our
sons are willing to at least tell us yeah. And
I hope that they hear this and know if there's
more that we both you know, need to hear from them.
I want to hear it because I don't want it
to be yeah that time in London. But also let
(29:22):
me tell my therapist the stuff that hurts me, because
that's how I've been with my dad right well, I've
gone to therapy to literally talk over things that Jacob
is saying to me personally that I didn't unfortunately have
the courage.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
I think that that is a like I said Earlily,
think it's it's very common, but it also doesn't take
away when your child says it to you, like it
is still so important and it's a moment that needs
to be talked about. But I will and I'm sure
I've said it on this podcast before. I've said to
the older two boys, I have not shared this with
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Luka because I think, you know, he's still in college
and this is something that I'll have a discussion with
him when he gets older. But I have said to
both Joe and Jacob that if there is anything I
have said or I have done in their childhood adulthood,
you know, up until now, if there's anything that I've
said or that I have done that has really hurt them,
(30:22):
I am opening up the door for them to come
and tell me. And when they tell me, I will
not try to explain it away, excuse it away, but
I will just simply ask for their forgiveness and hope
that we can, you know, and say I'm sorry, I'm
genuinely sorry, and will you forgive me? And then we'll
(30:44):
have to go through and I have to. And they've
yet to say anything to me yet, not that I
don't think that they will, but maybe they forgot or
they have, but I'm you know, I'm ready for it.
And because I know I'm not perfect. I know I
tried the best I could, but I know I'm also
(31:06):
human and I'm sure I know I've made mistakes, and
I'm sure I know I've made mistakes, and I want
them to feel validated and heard and understood. And I
think that that is a lot more with their generation.
They're a lot more comfortable and they're able to identify
(31:28):
those moments. And I hope that they feel comfortable enough
that they can come in. Yeah, say it to me,
and that's maybe that's something you should open up the
door with them.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Well, I say the same thing that what you just said.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
Oh you've said it to them.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
No, I'm saying it to them right now. Well I
am maybe just well they have to listen to the podcast. Well, no,
maybe you just need to say it in person. I
need our advertisers to get a little bit more love.
I'm just kidding. I will say that when I'm ready.
(32:05):
I'm just kidding. All right, let's end the podcast there.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
I do want to talk more because I didn't get
a chance to talk to you about the Big five zero,
So I guess the next podcast I want to talk
about that. Okay, it's scary to think that you and
I have been together since you turn so so you
were basically turning eighteen.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
When I'm met.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
I met eighteen.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Okay, yeah, so you're eighteen to fifty, which do the
math on that?
Speaker 5 (32:32):
From eighteen to forty nine. I'm not fifty.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
When you turn fifty? How many years is that? I
finally pulled up my calculator on my phone? Here for
a second, Okay, people are screaming right now.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, they're screaming at their at whatever device that they're
listening on at and thirty two years and I have
been together for thirty two.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
Fucking trying to tell you, but god, oh.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
Man, thirty two years together.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
To tease this for one of the next ones, because
I want to talk about this because I think it's
I think it's really important. I think it's very very
important that you learn how to.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Celebrate fifty that I learn. Yeah, because fifty two three
and four sock, I don't.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
See for you. I think that there is one thing
that you have to still come to grasp with, and
that something you've got to work on. It is just
because you feel a certain way about something, It does
not mean that I do.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Are you coming to me right now?
Speaker 5 (33:36):
Well, I'm a guy. I am. I'm just gonna actually,
I'm not gonna wait for you to open up the door.
I'm going to kick it right in. So here is
the deal. Because I think that you I know I
don't think. I know that that is something you have
to work on. I know that you have a very
big heart, and I know that you feel all all
(33:56):
the things. And when I tell you that I don't
feel the same way about something, whether it's a food
or a show or myself, even you always try to
correct me and tell me how I should feel about
said food, show or myself.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Let's talk about this in the next podcast.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
We will. But I'm so I'm just telling you that
I am excited because I think every day that I
get to be another year, day, minute, second older is
a gift and I'm trying to reframe that because I
did spend you know, when Luke left, I was so
sad and so depressed, and I'm trying to have this
(34:41):
new thing like every day is a gift and some
I need to just celebrate that instead of being like want, want, want.
My life is I'm not gonna love to be one hundred.
So my life is you know your grandma almost did that. No,
not my grandma. I'm how old is burb barb was
no Barbara's in her eighties.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Yeah, but she still was like she.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
Had nine lives. But yeah, so I think that what
are you doing? Oh God, let's on this podcast.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
We must be past thirty eight minutes, he must.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Be what are we at thirty five? Is?
Speaker 5 (35:20):
Yeah, he cannot handle it. He just so you know.
He sits here and looks at his computer screen and
I think when it hits thirty he gets so excited
and he tries to wrap it up in his perfect
little bow.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
No. Yeah, I just know that you're getting into another topic.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
That we will not get into that time.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
We could do it, but I think that that is
very important.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
That I will forget we've been talked about.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
I acknowledge and I hear you.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Okay, good podcast, Chelse, this is a good one.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
Well thanks MOJ
Welcome to the We Don't Podcast, starring husband and wife
Mojo from Mojo in the Morning and his better half Chelsea.
On this episode.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
On this episode of the Weed Podcast, we've been kind
of off for a hiatus for a little bit, and
we're coming up on a year of doing this podcast.
That's right crazy to think that crazy. Will this podcast
end after this episode? Will our marriage end after this episode?
(00:42):
Find out in forty minutes.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Well, all right, all right, all right, without further delay,
here are Mojo and Chelsea.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
All right, so we took off.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
We actually just got back from a very fun family vacation. Yes,
I know that this is something that you hate to say,
but we went on a family vacation, just the five
of us, to celebrate the Big five that is coming.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
Up, the Big five, that it's coming out, the Big Five. Oh, okay,
you hate it, don't you? No, I don't hate it.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Do you think I'm trying to make you fifty before
you're fifty? Yes?
Speaker 5 (01:31):
I think you do that all the time.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
It's kind of like me trying to make you eighteen
before you were eighteen.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
For those that don't know, you and I actually met
when I was twenty you were seventeen and no, yeah,
I met in.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
May of Oh, that's right, you were turning twenty one.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
I was turning twenty one in like a month, less
than a month.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
Right, right, right right. I'm trying to look up and
see when our first episode this it's been over.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
It has been because when did we start this?
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Well, July thirty first I made a post and that
was our third episode. Wow, so it's been over a year.
We didn't even know.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
We're one. Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 5 (02:15):
We're one?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
And it was interesting because we started this podcast for
a couple of reasons, but one of the biggest reasons
was we were getting ready to send our baby off
to college.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
I think July seventeenth would have been our first one,
and it was kind of almost like a little therapy
for you to do this, it was, and we just
we're told by our baby that he's getting ready to
go back to college.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Yep, and so he's what less than two weeks right.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
Well, two weeks from today.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Which where did the summer go?
Speaker 5 (02:46):
I don't know? So sad.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
It was crazy how fast it went.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
And honestly, it's interesting because usually summers go really really
fast because the weather sucks, and I think the weather's
actually been great. It's just been very hot.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Well, it started off a little happy, but it's been
typical Michigan. It starts off crappy, then it gets nice,
and then it's over and it's hot and then it's over.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Well it's like hot, hot, hot, and then it's done cold. Yeah,
all right, So I want to talk to you about
a couple things coming only I want to Can I
interview you on this podcast?
Speaker 4 (03:19):
You always hate when I do this?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Okay, we just got done just the five of us
being all together. We talked a lot about this on
our last episode of this podcast, and actually I think
the podcast before that we talked about it too, like
we were getting ready to go out away together as
a family.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
It was just the five of us. Am I building
this thing up?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Like I exaggerate pretty much everything in saying that it
might have been the best week that we've had as
a family.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Maybe ever.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
So I don't know if i'd say ever, but I
would say definitely recent in recent years. Like I have
very fond family vacation memories of when the boys were little.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
But I'm not even talking about vacations. I'm talking about
just being together as a family.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Yeah, but I'm including that in there, like I would
say that there were times that, you know, we've been
in California or we were lucky enough to go to Hawaii,
and those were some really good memories that I have
of the five of us.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
But it's weird because we as a core group, as
five of us, have not been together where there wasn't
somebody else involved. There wasn't another family member that came,
There wasn't friends that came. We've done that before, though,
but I'm saying we haven't done that in forever. I
(04:43):
mean it's been five ten years maybe more that it was.
It was so just to tell everybody about this.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
It was just.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Myself, Chelsea, our oldest Joe Are, our son Jacob, and
our youngest son Luke.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
So it was just the five of us.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
We didn't have anybody else that was joining us or
coming to visit with us, or we didn't go somewhere
where we knew other people. It was literally we would
wake up in the morning, we would all get up
as a group, we would all take turns showering, and
then we would go off and do something like some
sight seeing stuff because we ended up going to London,
(05:29):
and it was something that you had really wanted for us,
just to be together for your birthday. And your birthday
is not until September, so we're not going to turn
you fifty yet. And I'll talk more about that later,
but it was just really cool. It was cool to me.
(05:49):
I wanted to know what were some of your greatest
you know, things that you were thinking, not even so
much memories from the trip, but what were some of
the things, because my heart was literally, this is really
a blessing that the five of us.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Well so too. The thing was, yeah, I'm turning fifty
this year, and a couple obviously some of my best
friends have turned fifty or they actually they both have
already turned fifty. So Leah turned fifty in October and
Tanya turned fifty in February. So we met there before.
Tanya was with her family. They were doing this huge
(06:27):
trip and they were making a stop in London, and
so Lee and I said, you know what, we're going
to meet you there and that this is what we're
going to do to celebrate our fifty it's just us girls.
And then I thought, okay, well it'd be great if
you guys came and joined us after.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
So.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
I got to adjust everything and really decide what I
wanted the five of us to do and where I
wanted us to go and what, you know, all of that.
So I was versed on how the public transportation and
all of that stuff. So by the time you guys
got there, it was you know, I had a blast
with my girlfriends, and then it was you know, round two.
And I was so excited because I was not jet lagged.
(07:09):
I'd been there for a little bit and so and
I was so excited just to have you guys there
and to show you everything. And up until our you
know blowout, we'll talk about it, but that was, uh yeah,
it was. I mean, I don't every day was exciting
and fun and new.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
And the thing I learned was how much family means
to you. You know, you are you're a person who
you know, you have an unbelievable family, you come from
an unbelievable family, but to you, your children are definitely
(07:51):
what means the most in your life. And watching you
with the boys, you know, there were some moments that
we had where there was just tons of laughter, there
was lots of alcohol, There were moments of.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Hold on a second.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Here, let me see if I can actually pull this, uh,
pull this up.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
But I mean there was here you go. Here's I
don't know how sober this is.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
It was not sober. That was after two bottles of wine.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
It was.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
That was two bottles of wine. And I had gone
to Abba with my girlfriends before, and we had gone
to the show, and so everywhere we went, their subway
system is called the Tube, So when you go down
to the Tube, there's all of these posters of all
of the shows that were up. So Abba was always
there in the background, and so I kept on showing
(09:00):
the boys, Oh my gosh. I went to that show,
and then we went to The Lion King as a family,
and then we'd also gone to MJ the musical anyway,
so that was after two bottles of wine and a
great meal. We were walking back to the hotel and
I saw an Abba poster and so I decided to
(09:22):
pull up Dancing Queen and sing it with the boys.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
And I know that you look at things you know
very I guess, I don't know, black or white, Like
you're like trying to explain what we were doing.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
But what was it like for you? To have drinks
with the kids. What was it like for you?
Speaker 5 (09:42):
This is funny between you and I, Like for you,
you want me to make it into some dramatical like
and I don't know, I don't know what to say
it like, it was amazing. It was the best here.
This drives you crazy when the dogs. I know doing
this at home, I know doing it in the studio,
so you have to it's the lesser of two evils.
(10:03):
But it was amazing. It was everything I asked for
and more. I don't know how to explain, Like I
don't know how to paint the picture you want me
to paint, other than to tell you it was like
a great I posted it on our We Don't podcast
page because that was such an amazing moment for me.
It was so much fun. It was great at every
(10:24):
single moment. Even the big blowout fight was something that
you know, I'll never forget. It was the best six
days while you guys were there of my life.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Let's talk about the big blow out fight, okay, because
that was something that I discussed a little bit on
the air, but I didn't want to, like tell the
whole story of what happened. Joe and I got into
a fight. I said something to him and we were
talking about radio, and I said.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Well, he was freaking out about something with work that
was going on with work, so he was really distracted.
And I think that frustrated you that he was distracted
at dinner and you not like in a And you
know the backstory to that is you two are in
this same business, obviously, and sometimes your core conversation is
(11:12):
always based around work. And I think you didn't want
it to be work while we're on vacation. You wanted
it just to be, hey, we're on vacation. But he
was wrapped up in some drama that was going on
back at When he is a lot like you, when
something happens with work, it consumes him and he cannot
focus on anything else. He is like you, And so
(11:37):
he said something. Then you said something that wasn't the
nicest and then he freaked out, stood up through his
napkin in the air. Was very dramatic. We're in the
middle of this beautiful restaurant in London and he throws
(11:58):
his napkin up and leaves.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
The restaurant and says he's going back home.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
And well, he just left. We didn't know that, and
then he sent me a text saying that he was
sorry and that he was going to leave and get
a flight. Meanwhile, this is when all of that huge
What was that there was a computer issue that I
(12:23):
remember that game. You guys were lucky just to get out.
You your flight and the paras flight was the only
flight that got out international that day anyway, So he
so there were no flights to be had because this
was night three and they still were trying to fix everything.
And then You're sitting at the table and then you're
(12:44):
telling me, well, I'm leaving. If he's leaving, I'm leaving too.
And I'm like, okay, what a great evening. And then
I look at Jacob, and Jacob is upset, and this
is again alcohol starts bringing out the truth, and so
he shares something that has bothered him. And so then
(13:07):
our food gets brought to the table.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
And Luke ends up getting up to go find it.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Well, we ate first. We ate first, and it was
some of the best food we'd ever had, and so
we asked for a doggie bag for Joe's food, and
then Luke wanted to get up and go find Joe.
And it was just like a mile away, and he
knew the path back to the hotel, so it was
(13:34):
a straight shot back to the hotel. So he left
to go find Joe. And then I made you and Jacob.
I said, you two are going to discuss your issues
and I want to, you know, hopefully it's solved by
the time we get back to the hotel. I'm going
to walk in front of you, and so I walked
a distance in front of you and you two discussed
(13:56):
what's going on with you two.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
So the Joe in my situation.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Was a situation that honestly, looking back on it, not
realizing how much hurt it was for Joe. Not just
he said something about to not give too much information
away where it causes any more issues. He had said
(14:24):
something about a person who I have a fond respect for,
and he was upset with this person because this particular
person took away a great moment for Joe. That was
a moment that he and I could have had shared
with each other.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
And it was And to you, it wasn't a big
deal that it was taken away. You didn't see that
in your view. It wasn't like, oh, that was taken
away from you you just because it was such a
huge moment. You didn't care how it was delivered, But
it should have been delivered from Joe and not the
this other person. Yeah, and that has been harboring, that's
(15:03):
been for years, Joe's that's.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Been eating at Shoe for a while. And it was
it was Joe had a major accomplishment that happened to
him in his career. And Joe wanted to call me
to tell me this accomplishment.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
And this person.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
Called and told me he was excited for Joe too.
So there was no malicious intent from that person, but
he was so proud and so excited for Joe too.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Looking at it, after seeing Joe's anger of what happened, Yeah,
and stick and hurt and me sticking up for him,
I see it, and I get it because I don't
have my parents with me, and I would rather be
the person to deliver the news to my dad like
(15:52):
Joe would, and he it was actually a pretty cool moment.
So here we are in this really bad situation where
we're ruining the trip for Chelsea, and I say where
I am because I, you know, yelled at Joe. I
should have been the bigger person and honestly not done
that and it was stupid.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
And then.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Having a conversation later with Joe really was, you know,
eye opening to me because he has told me how
much it hurt him that this person did it, and
it took that moment for me to realize.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Yeah, up before yeah, the Jacob.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
You know interaction that he and I had with each other,
the Jacob, the thing that really hurt Jacob was a
huge eye opener for me because I have like, I
never saw that coming at all. And Jake listens to this,
Can I share a little bit or no? Do you
think I think okay?
Speaker 5 (16:55):
I think it's very relatable.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Actually, okay, So in Jacob, I hope that you're okay
with this because I think, okay, so Jacob, So I think,
oh good.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I'm good with Jacob and Luke. I'm just in a
bad place with Joe right now. Which Joe and I,
for anybody who's listening, we're so much alike. We do
the same occupation, and I think that he and I
go at each other, but then we also love each
other very very hard. And I think that I put
(17:28):
probably it's probably a lot of pressure for Joe to
have me be his dad because of how how long
I've been in this industry, in the radio industry, and
I've been successful, and so it's tough. It's tough to
go in into the family business, Okay, And Jacob shares with.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Me, and Joe has never one thing. I will say,
Joe has never been given anything. He knows people because
of who his dad is, but no one has said,
I'm giving you this job because your dad is Mojo.
He has been given opportunities to meet people, but he
has to prove himself to those people to get offered
a job. And he has to prove.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Himself way more than I ever had, way.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
More and way more than a lot of other people do,
because they do expect a lot more out of him
because of who his dad is. So not only has
he risen up to the occasion, he has shown very
brightly shot.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Yeah, yeah, he shined. But I will say this about Joe.
One of the things about Joe is.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
There were a lot of people that before Joe's been
in his position right now, wanted to hire him, but
we're afraid that it would look like they were just
trying to hire Mojo's son. And he messed out on
some opportunities because of that, and those people are kicking
themselves because they've heard how Joe is done and seeing
(18:52):
how Joe is done, and so it is tough. It's
it's very very tough because you know, you have to
you have to almost prove yourself doubly.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Well.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Jacob comes to me and this walk that we're going back,
well the table, Yeah, he told me at.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
The table how much pressure he.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Feels having me as his father.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Which, for those that don't know, my son, Jacob.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Has highly accomplished, graduated from you know, college with incredible grades,
went on and got a master's and a doctorate and
is almost close to his to both you know, it's
going to be is going to be a doctor of
psychology practicing and he'll be you know, able to call
(19:40):
him that at this time next year, you know.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
And I look at him as a non college graduate,
barely got out of a high school, and I go, wow,
this is this is unbelievable. You know, look at what
he's done. And we're both so.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Very very proud of all of our boys, and Jacob
is honestly, you know, you and I talk about it
all the time, like, holy crap, this is amazing, like
what he has done. And he tells me something that
I never would have been a million years ever thought,
and that was that he feels a lot of pressure
(20:20):
me and my son because he has seen that I
have had success.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
Well he feelt he how can he be as successful
as you in his field?
Speaker 4 (20:30):
And it's wild for me because.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
I try to make sure I tell all the boys
how proud I am with them, and I truly am.
And it makes me realize that no matter how much
you tell them, it's on how they feel, you know,
it's in how they feel.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
And I never would have did you ever? Was that
a stacker to you?
Speaker 5 (20:58):
And when he told me that at dinner, I was shocked, Yeah,
because I thought I saw that he was upset and
I said, what's wrong? And he's like, I just I
feel this pressure too, like I feel I'm never going
to be as successful as Dad. And I was like,
oh my gosh, oh my gosh, honey, like you are ready.
(21:19):
You've accomplished so much more than Dad already has, you know,
with school and his determination to get through so much.
And that's when I said, have you you need to
tell your dad this, like you have got to talk
to dad about it, and I think it's so good.
But I think it's very relatable. I think that, whether
(21:40):
you realize it or not, your kids do look up
to you in a sense, you know, can I accomplish
what he's accomplished? Can I do what she's done? Can I?
Speaker 4 (21:52):
You know?
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Excuse me? But I think that that is so relatable.
Whether you realize it or not, you're heads could be.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Dealing with that, and it's and we talk about this,
and I'm talking honestly. Normally, I always talk just to
the listener that that's listening to as saying, but I'm
talking to Jacob because that's the one listener that I
give a shit about right now. But Jacob, I hear you, yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
And I think that's that's all that has to be said, too,
is that it's really important because you can say no,
I'm so proud, no, but it is. I hear you.
I hear you, and I validate it, and I you know,
I'm not gonna show it away with anything. I just
and then honestly, we are so so so proud of you,
(22:48):
like we cannot truly be more proud.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
And Joe, I hear it more exciting exactly I hear you.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah, and Luke, I hear you because you know I
I know that, and I you know, I know that
they all are each you know, they each have such
different they're such different people, which is so awesome. And
(23:15):
I think spending time with them like we did last week,
I realized how different each one of them are, but
how similar they are and how.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Much they care for each other. Yeah, it was it
was really cool.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Like I know, you don't you want to just say, well,
we did this and this and this, and you think that.
I want you to tell you the the what last
week meant. I think what last week meant to this
family is bigger than anything we've ever done, because the
one thing that you and I have tried to build
(23:54):
with these guys is the importance of family and the
importance of And that's why I think the three is
better than the two if we didn't have Luke, because
there's always the one that can keep you in check, right,
there's always the odd vote, you know, or the or
the deciding vote, hiebreaker. And the one thing that I
(24:15):
realized when the three are together and they're they're there, God,
they're so strong. They fight with each other, but then
they love on each other right after all?
Speaker 5 (24:25):
Well, and I think for me, you know, and I
see this with your family, your siblings are the people
that are going to know you the longest in life, truly,
you know, like you you will outlive your parents. You know,
you had you had fourteen years with your with your mom,
you know, and so but you look, you've had fifty
(24:49):
four with your siblings. So they are your secret. They're
the gate keepers to some of your secrets. They're the
gate keepers to your childhood memories. They're the you know,
you marry a spouse, you know, I have thirty years
of your memories, but they have fifty four of yours.
Like so for me, it's so important that my kids
(25:13):
have that like I and you can't force them to
have a relationship, but for me, like it's gonna make
me emotional, but I want them to say, like, do
you remember when we went to London with a mom
and she was dancing in the street like a crazy woman.
(25:33):
You know, that is what that trip meant to me.
And that's why it is so important. And I know
as Joe gets engaged in our family grows, there's going
to be more people to that memory. But man or
to our group. But there is something so special about
the with it being the five and listen, even if
(25:56):
we were divorced, I would say to you, hey, give
me do this trip together, like there's something about it
for me that is just like I don't know what
it is, but for me, it's like the five of
us that is something sacred and special. And again it's
not to say that I don't want other people coming
(26:16):
into the group because if we were divorced and you
had someone else and I had someone else, and eventually
they are.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
We getting divorced because you keep bringing that now.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
I'm just saying I think that there is some there
are different. We've gone through so many things in our life.
Like I'm just not afraid to say that, but we've
gone through so much in our life that I could
picture that with us. I know, you know, I.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Learned a lot about us as a family on this
trip that I not necessarily would have thought that we
would get out of it when we were or even
just enjoying the first day or two of it. And
(27:05):
I think what I learned the most is as tough
as things can get and things that night, it was
night number three that things got tough.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Yeah, we were able to work through, but we were
able to learn a lot about each other. You know.
You know it's interesting, Jacob, I had.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
No fights with anybody, so Luke and I, Luke and
I were not the fight.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
But can I tell you something about you and Luke
to to a big degree in this this case, you
guys are like you are amazing at knowing and I
don't know how many of our listeners are.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Are like this.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
And if you're not, you hopefully have somebody that you
can turn to, whether it be through a family member
or therapist, whoever it might be, but somebody that just
gives good advice. And that night when it happened, you said, relax,
pull back, stop texting Joe. You will see him face
to face and you'll be able to have a conversation
(28:14):
with him, and then with Jacob. I'm going to walk
ahead of you, guys, so that he can tell you something.
And his voice was quivering. He was very, very emotional,
he was crying, and he told me something that I
never I'm telling you in a million years, I could
(28:34):
have said five or six other things that I might
have done all the time that might have hurt you know, Jacob,
I never thought that that would be something that you know,
would be hurting him. And what it proved to me
was how awesome you are at making sure that you
keep this family solid, but also how amazing it is
(28:59):
that we have the relationship with our sons that our
sons are willing to at least tell us yeah. And
I hope that they hear this and know if there's
more that we both you know, need to hear from them.
I want to hear it because I don't want it
to be yeah that time in London. But also let
(29:22):
me tell my therapist the stuff that hurts me, because
that's how I've been with my dad right well, I've
gone to therapy to literally talk over things that Jacob
is saying to me personally that I didn't unfortunately have
the courage.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
I think that that is a like I said Earlily,
think it's it's very common, but it also doesn't take
away when your child says it to you, like it
is still so important and it's a moment that needs
to be talked about. But I will and I'm sure
I've said it on this podcast before. I've said to
the older two boys, I have not shared this with
(29:59):
Luka because I think, you know, he's still in college
and this is something that I'll have a discussion with
him when he gets older. But I have said to
both Joe and Jacob that if there is anything I
have said or I have done in their childhood adulthood,
you know, up until now, if there's anything that I've
said or that I have done that has really hurt them,
(30:22):
I am opening up the door for them to come
and tell me. And when they tell me, I will
not try to explain it away, excuse it away, but
I will just simply ask for their forgiveness and hope
that we can, you know, and say I'm sorry, I'm
genuinely sorry, and will you forgive me? And then we'll
(30:44):
have to go through and I have to. And they've
yet to say anything to me yet, not that I
don't think that they will, but maybe they forgot or
they have, but I'm you know, I'm ready for it.
And because I know I'm not perfect. I know I
tried the best I could, but I know I'm also
(31:06):
human and I'm sure I know I've made mistakes, and
I'm sure I know I've made mistakes, and I want
them to feel validated and heard and understood. And I
think that that is a lot more with their generation.
They're a lot more comfortable and they're able to identify
(31:28):
those moments. And I hope that they feel comfortable enough
that they can come in. Yeah, say it to me,
and that's maybe that's something you should open up the
door with them.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Well, I say the same thing that what you just said.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
Oh you've said it to them.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
No, I'm saying it to them right now. Well I
am maybe just well they have to listen to the podcast. Well, no,
maybe you just need to say it in person. I
need our advertisers to get a little bit more love.
I'm just kidding. I will say that when I'm ready.
(32:05):
I'm just kidding. All right, let's end the podcast there.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
I do want to talk more because I didn't get
a chance to talk to you about the Big five zero,
So I guess the next podcast I want to talk
about that. Okay, it's scary to think that you and
I have been together since you turn so so you
were basically turning eighteen.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
When I'm met.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
I met eighteen.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Okay, yeah, so you're eighteen to fifty, which do the
math on that?
Speaker 5 (32:32):
From eighteen to forty nine. I'm not fifty.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
When you turn fifty? How many years is that? I
finally pulled up my calculator on my phone? Here for
a second, Okay, people are screaming right now.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, they're screaming at their at whatever device that they're
listening on at and thirty two years and I have
been together for thirty two.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
Fucking trying to tell you, but god, oh.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
Man, thirty two years together.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
To tease this for one of the next ones, because
I want to talk about this because I think it's
I think it's really important. I think it's very very
important that you learn how to.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Celebrate fifty that I learn. Yeah, because fifty two three
and four sock, I don't.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
See for you. I think that there is one thing
that you have to still come to grasp with, and
that something you've got to work on. It is just
because you feel a certain way about something, It does
not mean that I do.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Are you coming to me right now?
Speaker 5 (33:36):
Well, I'm a guy. I am. I'm just gonna actually,
I'm not gonna wait for you to open up the door.
I'm going to kick it right in. So here is
the deal. Because I think that you I know I
don't think. I know that that is something you have
to work on. I know that you have a very
big heart, and I know that you feel all all
(33:56):
the things. And when I tell you that I don't
feel the same way about something, whether it's a food
or a show or myself, even you always try to
correct me and tell me how I should feel about
said food, show or myself.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Let's talk about this in the next podcast.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
We will. But I'm so I'm just telling you that
I am excited because I think every day that I
get to be another year, day, minute, second older is
a gift and I'm trying to reframe that because I
did spend you know, when Luke left, I was so
sad and so depressed, and I'm trying to have this
(34:41):
new thing like every day is a gift and some
I need to just celebrate that instead of being like want, want, want.
My life is I'm not gonna love to be one hundred.
So my life is you know your grandma almost did that. No,
not my grandma. I'm how old is burb barb was
no Barbara's in her eighties.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Yeah, but she still was like she.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
Had nine lives. But yeah, so I think that what
are you doing? Oh God, let's on this podcast.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
We must be past thirty eight minutes, he must.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Be what are we at thirty five? Is?
Speaker 5 (35:20):
Yeah, he cannot handle it. He just so you know.
He sits here and looks at his computer screen and
I think when it hits thirty he gets so excited
and he tries to wrap it up in his perfect
little bow.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
No. Yeah, I just know that you're getting into another topic.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
That we will not get into that time.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
We could do it, but I think that that is
very important.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
That I will forget we've been talked about.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
I acknowledge and I hear you.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Okay, good podcast, Chelse, this is a good one.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
Well thanks MOJ
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