July 31, 2024 • 42 mins
Tom Hart fills in to talk LaFamilia and talks Secret Service with Timothy Reboulet.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
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here's Matt Jones.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
What is up? Tom hard In for Matt Jones? Is
the summer winds to a close. I am in Atlanta, Georgia.
We've got Ryan and Drew with Mario and Lexington. Shannon
is in Louisville. Gang, we got a lot to talk about,
and we've got a special guest coming up at the
bottom of the hour talking about a topic that may
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get me disinvited from coming back on the show ever again.
But that's that's for later. Drew, Let's start with you. You've
got a very punishable stern them. Ryan's got a punchable face,
Shannon gets thrown around the ring but has never been
punched in the face. And Mario is just too cool
for anybody to put fingers on. How's everybody feeling today?
And drew any any lasting bruises injuries from your altercation?
Speaker 4 (01:24):
You know, I don't want to give anyone too much credit,
but I have. I do still feel it a little bit,
but we're all right, sor right we were Rod and
how off that win. It's not about the extracurriculars. It's
about the fun we had in their building. Really, my
wrists hurt more from putting the l's down than anything else.
I think I broke them. My l's were down so
much Monday night.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
I have so many questions about this. The first thing
I thought of you guys kind of brought it up.
Like you know, Ryan gets knocked unconscious in Columbia after
the Kentucky South Carolina football game. You get some low
for throwing punches at you after TVT the other night
that big Kentucky went. But specifically, here's what I was wondering.
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You didn't address this. Do you think the person who
accosted you knew who you were? And knew your name
and knew your personality and what you do for a living.
Or was this stranger on stranger crime.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
I really don't know. We'd have to speak to that person.
I had never seen that person in my life or
had prior interactions, or had even seen them until after
I had been hit.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
So I don't know.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
I don't have those answers. Maybe, I mean, maybe he
just saw that I did the L's down all night.
I really don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Is he going to be your guest at ten thirty?
Speaker 6 (02:42):
Man?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Wouldn't that be awesome?
Speaker 7 (02:45):
It crossed my mind that Tom wouldn't tell us who
this special guest is. It crossed my mind he tracked
down the dude that punched Drew Tea.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
If you want to call in, I want to put
you on the air. It's not due to punch Drew.
What Drew? You can't say his name?
Speaker 4 (03:02):
I just well, we'll let everything play out. I mean,
everybody knows its name. It's everywhere.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
But you know, okay, Well listen, here's the deal. You're
you're a celebrity, like you're recognizable phase. You're a commercial entity, right?
You do you have sponsorship deals in place with with companies?
There's no way this guy did not know who you are.
No way, there's no way he didn't know Steel at
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South Carolina. Maybe that was just you know, somebody hauling
off on a Kentucky fan because they were being, you know,
being jerks. But but this guy had to have known
who you were. And to me, and I'm I don't
have a law degree and I've never I haven't really
spent that much time in the courtroom, to be honest.
But to me, that makes it premeditated. Ryan, what do
you think.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
I think you're on the right track.
Speaker 7 (03:48):
I think this guy saw Drews kind of sitting in
front of him the whole game, giving the l's down,
celebrating that's Drew Franklin. And then he ended up as
he leaves, walking by him and boom, gives him the
little shot to the chest.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
You know what, you have a point because we all
know my face isn't my money maker. He didn't aim
for that, that would have done no damage to me.
He went from my chest, which I need these lungs,
this lung capacity radio show.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
Yeah, yeah, I think he might have attacked my career.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Shannon. If you were in a press charges or file
a lawsuit in your mind, does it change things if
it was premeditated versus what they sometimes refer to as
a crime of passion, like it was just convenient as
he's walking by and he sees a random guy in
blue throwing L's down. Does that change No?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Because if I get punched in the sternum, I'm calling
TJ and he's gonna make them pay. That's what's gonna
happen if it happens to me in public. But we
already had on a hawk two as as Drew called
him apologize to h Nate Cstina. So I think that
this guy should call in and apologize to Drew for
punching him in the sternum.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Drew's injured would call and would we accept that apology?
Speaker 4 (04:56):
I'd call it the worst call of the day. I
don't need apology. Damage is done. What's a apology gonna do?
Speaker 5 (05:02):
You know?
Speaker 7 (05:02):
We've all been that situation where after a rivalry game
or a heated game, you end up having some interactions
with other fans. I know, after Wisconsin had beat us
in the Final four, guy I know and got into it,
and it was a constant fan. They ain't got into
a fistfight. So I mean, I know, I know what happens,
but you rarely doesn't happen. I think in the arena,
that's what I think make this one a little different.
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This They hadn't even left the stand, you haven't left
the floor yet.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
You feel like it's it's more common once you you
get outside of the arena. Now you're shoulder to shoulder usually,
you know, walking down the street or going down the sidewalk,
and people feel more free to talk smack at that point.
Is that the difference?
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (05:44):
I think you are making this sound like I had
engaged anything with this person. I'm just walking by, living
my life. I'm a victim of a random attack. Here,
I'm an assault victim. There was no engagement where I
said something to him, he said something back, and then
it's on. I am with my wife walking towards a
basketball floor.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
And bam, bam. Did you see it?
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Did not even see it coming.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
He had a little posse with him too, you know,
trying to act like they were holding them back, little posse.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
So glad to correctly that could have really gone off
the rails quickly. Kentucky football starting today, Am I right?
Speaker 5 (06:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (06:20):
On the field one I had to report their first
meeting I think was at eight thirty this morning for
their first meeting, first day of fall camp.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
So let's go.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Walker, Max Harrison leading that defense for returning starters on
the old line, Rock fander Griff. What are the expectations
Drew a quarterback? How good could Brock Vandergriff be? What
is the ceiling for him?
Speaker 4 (06:41):
We're hearing very good things we're getting Will Levis comparisons,
not that he's going to go on and you know,
be an NFL starter, but that how it's a very
business like approach. The moment he got there, you know,
it's not fun and games, it's where's my playbook, let's
watch film. That kind of attitude coming from George and
already haven't even though I didn't have much game experience.
This isn't just some new guy ready to come into
college football. He knows what he wants and what he's
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trying to accomplish this year. And another Levis comparison is
that at sec ME today some of his Georgia teammates
said that the man doesn't know how to slide, so
when he runs, he's he's looking to run people over.
So not trying to put that pressure on him, because
Levis had an outstanding two years here. But I like
the similarities out of spring and heading into the preseason
camp of just his approach and uh maybe the way
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he will play. I don't know that he'll have the
h that arm that Levis had that was pretty special.
But I love what we're hearing of how he's working
in the locker room already being a good leader, and
then we'll see you. We heard good things about how
he was just close to stilling that job at Georgia.
That's the reason why Kentucky fans are so excited. We'll
take Georgia's second best, we'll take their third best, but
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we're really excited to see him get on the field soon.
So far, of what we've heard, it's it's all been positive.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I like the comp from a running standpoint, because that
was you know, obviously, that was Levis's background of Penn
State and how he was used, and he didn't get
much of a chance to show off the cannon of
an arm until he until he arrived at Kentucky. I'm
getting I'm getting geared up for the physical play of
college football by watching water polo and the Olympics. I
mean that is just a beat down every single match.
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But that's that's for later. Ryan. Well, what's your scoop
on the wide receiver room?
Speaker 5 (08:17):
Uh? Actually, we had dinner with Dane last night kind of.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Yeah, let's get ahead, it's hit and what's the news?
Am I great?
Speaker 7 (08:25):
You know I wanted to get together with him before
camp started, so you know, with camp starting today, let's
meet and I have a little dinner and talk a
little bit about some stuff. We had a caller yesterday.
I want to clarify some of the caller yesterday was
Terry said, who you know? We know Dane and Berry
on and kind of the cornerstone of the receiving room.
Who are some other guys that we may see on
the field. And I talked to Dane about it last night.
And the guy that transferred from North Texas I can't
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even remember his name, but the receiver that transferred from
North Texas is going to be on the field a lot.
And Fred Ferrier from Frankfurt who transferred from UA B
is gonna be on the fiddle lot. Those are the
two names he gave us as also in that receiver
room that see time on the field this year.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Jamury Macklin.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
Macklin.
Speaker 8 (09:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
We mentioned Macklin yesterday. He's a guy to really watch them.
Carry on, Tom Fred Ferrier from Frankfurt.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
Fred Ferrier from Frankfort.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Yeah, say that, Say that ten times.
Speaker 7 (09:13):
Fast, Fred Fredrian.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
I can't do it.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
You can't. I'm sorry, I'm missing Drew. Who's Who's the
North Texas guy?
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Jamury Macklin. We named him yesterday when a caller asked
about uh guys to watch. He's a North Texas transfer
related to former NFL receiver Jeremy Macklin.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
You know.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
There you go. Yeah, it's a Missouri guy, right.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Yes, right, and played for the Eagles for a long
time kickoff return specialists in addition to being an elite
wide receiver playing with Chase Daniel on that Missouri team
that went to number one in the country in two
thousand and seven. So one of the really one of
the best wide receivers in Missouri.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
I don't remember any of that. Yeah, we don't. We
don't remember that. We don't remember any of that. I
remember it's right.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Because you got knocked out.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
I got knocked out of Caroline.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
If I were there, he'd be about to get knocked
out again talking to them.
Speaker 7 (10:08):
Now here's here's another little we're talking about the quarterbacks.
We've talked about this on the show, but Tom, they're
gonna have packages in place where they're gonna have two
quarterbacks on the field at the same time. With Gavin
Wimsit now in camp, he can do some things that
I think, and I think, uh bush Handen wants to
kind of utilize both of those guys, So I think
we're gonna see a little of that once in a while.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Drew.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
I hate to be negative, but you've got an NFL
caliber quarterback taking most of your snaps. Don't you want
him to take all of your snaps when he's available?
Speaker 4 (10:43):
It would seem that way, and I'll be honest, it
was a bit of a surprise when Gavin Wimsit transferred in.
He's started a lot of games at Rutgers through for
close to two thousand yards last year, so it's interesting
that guy would come over here. I assume he would
know he'd have to be playing a little bit to
take this job. So it you know, what's the old saying,
if you have two quarterbacks, you I have one. I
don't think it's that scenario, but I think in the
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red zone especially, there are gonna have some packages.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
I get a little tricky with him.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Did he commit after Brock was already lined up?
Speaker 5 (11:11):
He is a late addition.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
That's why I was kind of a surprise, the guy
that was a maybe even two three year starter at
Rutgers transferring where he knew he wouldn't be the number one.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
That's interesting, but it also shows the value I think,
just on the surface level of where would you rather
play football? You know, would you rather be in the
SEC playing for Kentucky and having a chance to win
a lot of games and having eight home games and
playing a top ten schedule, or getting your teeth kicked
in every single day ruts.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
He's also a Kentucky native, so there could have been
a little wanting to get home for that too. He's
from Ryan's third hometown of Owensborough.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Third hometown.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Yeah, you know, I Tom, I have.
Speaker 7 (11:52):
I have several hometowns, and Owensborough's count Oldensborough's one of them.
I went to school there, I lived there, so it's
kind of a hometown.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Actually has a couple actually still like here.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (12:02):
Uh, but I think whims it I think with Bush
Hampton with the offense, he wants to try to run.
He wants the quarterback to be able to to run
and do some things. And I think that's where they
may try to use whims it.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Uh, that sounds that sounds really good. By the way,
we talked about lawsuits already. Can somebody do the TJ read?
Can we get that eut of the way? Do we
need to do that?
Speaker 5 (12:21):
You know?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (12:22):
Every episode is sponsored by the TJ SMIDT Law Office.
And if you ever need him, called TJ. Because Shannon,
what will happen?
Speaker 5 (12:28):
He'll make them pay. He'll make them pay by guy.
Speaker 7 (12:31):
So Drew already called the DJ and I already TJ
call you immediately one or the other.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
I think I reached out to TJ for just found
some few things.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
He'll make them pay.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
He'll go to TJ for all your personal injury lawyer needs.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
There we go.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Did you send that text before you left the building?
Speaker 6 (12:47):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (12:47):
No, no, no, no, I was. I was too caught
up in the moment. That's why people like, did you retaliate?
Speaker 5 (12:52):
No?
Speaker 4 (12:52):
I didn't retaliate. I went straight out to the court
and had fun with lat familiar because That's why I
was there. I'm worried about the other stuff afterwards.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
The law familiar stuff is so cool, and I worked
TVT years ago. Now Fox has it, so it's we
don't we can't even do it anyway. But I just
kept waiting for them to figure out how to put
together teams at schools that really care and that matter.
And when I was doing it, and I know, all
I stayed is up next and Jared Salinger was playing
on the team with Aaron Kraft and that was the
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final four team oh four, oh five, oh six, something
like that. You know, that was that was one with
big followings. But Kentucky didn't have a team, and it
took him forever to kind of get this thing figured out.
Where now you have an attendance record, now you've got
all of this interest, not just locally but nationally. It
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feels like it feels like they're on the right path.
And my favorite thing of all of this is how
now Mario's got a favorite team.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I mean, that is so cool. And maybe we'll throw
I don't he probably don't have a micfront him, but
we'll throw it down that later because I want to
talk about that, So let's go to break. We'll got
more to talk about. I want to I want to
introduce who's going to be on at the bottom of
the hour, so we get we can maximize the time
with him.
Speaker 7 (14:06):
And none of us know. None of us know who
this surprise guest is coming on today.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Ron actually stopped out of our house yesterday. We were
trying to guess who it could be.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
We would never guess, You would never guess. And it's
it's not about the guest himself, although he's going to
provide great information. It's more about the topic that could
be incredibly divisive and probably something that Matt would never
ever ever allow.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
Oh good, you're going out your last song.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
You're going out swinging today, your last show, one song,
and we're going down.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
I'm gonna convince him never to ask me back. That's
really the goal of this topic. At the bottom of
the hour. All right, well, let's take a break. When
would come back. I want to share an experience that
I had, and then we'll get you ready for our
topic at the bottom of the hour. You're listening to
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bring us back. Mama said, knock you out. You can't
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Speaker 5 (15:08):
Huh, I can't hear it the podcast. You can sing
it though, if you'd like, then they can hear that part.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
I'm more of a sir mixed that guy. But yeah,
next time around, next time right, Yeah, I celebrate all
of LL's catalog. By the way, have you guys been
watching much of the Olympics.
Speaker 7 (15:24):
Yeah, I know, Well, we have it on right now
at cas bar and grill. We got a little swimming
on and a little fencing down at the other end.
But this is about all I've seen so far is
what I'm watching right now.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
I got a little behind on Monday in Louisville, but
otherwise I've watched about every minute I could. Got the
gymnastics last night. I didn't get to see Nadal Djokovic
the other day. I was excited about that one.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Missed that one.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
But I saw a rugby. I'm taking it all in
tom as much as I can watch.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
The rugby seven's has been amazing. The US one bronze
yesterday with a it was basically like if it were football,
it would have been a ninety eight yard run at
the buzzer. I saw that she went through the line.
She was basically tackled. Somehow she kept going and boom,
she took it to the house. She had to kick
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and then she had to make the kick to win it.
And she said afterwards, She's like, oh, I thought the
run won it. I didn't even really know what the
score was because Australia had missed their kick their try.
I don't understand all the rules. All I know is
rugby seven's is awesome. I think it's done. I was
watching some of the three on three basketball yesterday. Ryan
Howard's Ryan Howard's playing for United say it's along with
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Haley ban Lytt on the women's side. The men's side
has jim or Fordett, who I loved when he was
at BU national player of the Year, and Kenyon Barry.
I don't know if you remember Caanan Barry played at Florida.
He's one that shot his free throws granny style.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
You remember.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Twelve second shot clock. Fun game. But to be quite honest,
we're terrible. Our teams are getting smoked.
Speaker 7 (16:57):
Yeah, I know, I knew the women it got b right.
Howard's team got beat their first round game.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Totally different game than like the three and three you
play in your backyard, because it's constant, like as soon
as the ball goes through the hoop, you kick it
back out, you get back behind the three point line,
and as soon as you touch it, that twelve second
shot clock goes. So it's it's like a balance of
conditioning and and hoops and making shots. It looks really hard, Shannon.
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When do we go to break before right at ten thirty?
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yeah, yeah, ten twenty nine forty to give you the
exact okay second.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Sorry to show you how the sausage is made. I
don't I'm still I've only done it all summer and I'm.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Still dotting tenth show.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
We don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
I'm new to this. I'm a rookie. All right, here's
here's my idea for the bottom of the hour. Politics
in our country this summer has just gone off the rails, right,
so many wild things from Biden dropping out to Trump's
attempted assassination, all of this stuff. And I'm not a
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politics guy, Like, I'm not good at talking about it.
And I know that there's some stuff that Matt just
totally avoids when it comes to this show. But I
have a buddy who kind of knows how some of
this stuff works. I went to college with. I'm gonna
bring him on and we're going to talk about the
attempted assassination on Trump. What do you think, Ryan, good idea?
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A bad idea?
Speaker 7 (18:30):
Well, I mean, it's it's a moment in our history
where all of us are going to remember this happened,
like I like, for me, I remember when Reagan there
was assassination attempt on Ronald Reagan. I was in high school.
So now we all remember the assassinations attempt on a
former president. I mean, it's it's historical, it.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Is, and there's still hearings going on on how the
Secret Service handled it. That's what's in the news currently.
That was yesterday the new acting director of the Secret
Services get grilled on Capitol Hill. So the person we're
going to have on was one of my fraternity brothers
at the University of Missouri who immediately upon graduation, he
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was a wrestler at Missou, went into the industry and
he worked for the FBI. Then he worked for the
Secret Service, and he was on presidential detail for both
George W. Bush and Obama. I mean, this is a
guy who every morning would go jogging with George Bush,
and then a couple of years later he'd be the
one that would ride down the elevator with Barack Obama
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and take him down to the first floor and go
on these trips and do the advance. And this is
kind of where I think the Secret Services catching a
lot of heat for how they handled everything. It wasn't
just in the moment, it was how the advanced team
handled everything and why the former directors now fired. So
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we're going to have Tim reblay on. He was on
Fox News last week going over all of this stuff
and a lot of these failures, and I just want
him to explain to us what should have happened in
that moment and how they prepare for I don't want
to see inevitable, but how they prepare for worst case scenario
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and where Secret Service dropped the ball. Because what's going
on now at Capitol Hill is there's so much political
grand standing that I think it's hard for normal people
like us to really understand what matters and what doesn't
and what the director of the Secret Service can share
and what they can't share. Right, Because if you share
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with these senators all of the details. Then you're just
giving our adversaries the entire playbook. So there's only so
much you can say in these hearings as well, Drew,
is there anything you want to hear from a former
Secret Service member about how things were handled that day
and how they should have been handled?
Speaker 4 (20:53):
I mean, I'd be interested to here, maybe not have
anything specific that I've thought of, because to be honest,
I haven't really kept up with it that much. Certainly,
this is a lot different. I was thinking you were
gonna have Pat Kelsey. This is not the direction I
thought we were going. That was my guest. But no,
I think it'd be very interesting to hear for something
that was, obviously, as Ryan said, one of the biggest
stories in our country in several years.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
You know, the summer shows, you never know which way
they're going to go. Tom.
Speaker 7 (21:16):
You know, last week we had in depth discussions on
deviled eggs, and yesterday it was Armadillo's. You're gonna get
serious with this after the commercial break and talk something
very serious with this, so we a lesson will be
learned here today.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I just wanted to change speeds a little bit, right.
I mean, there's only so much Lugi's in Nate Sestina's
face that will carry us through an entire summer show.
And we have access to a knowledgeable person, Shannon, what
about I.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Would actually like to ask him what he would have
done to keep Natesanstina from getting spot on by Louisville
after the game. What kind of protection did Nate need?
Speaker 3 (21:47):
It's a great question. If you had an advanced team
in place that knew that there was a spinner, could
you have shut it down before?
Speaker 2 (21:54):
To Curt, yes, yeah, I just want to know, like,
when we're bringing in a president to a specific what
are like, in detail the things that they have to
go through to get that stage and that area ready
for a president or someone running for president to come in.
Because to me that that stuff is fascinating, the detail
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that they have they're supposed to go through to get
an area ready for a president.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
So like, how do you secure the area?
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Yeah, yeah, so I remember I've had these conversations with
Tim over the years that we're going to bring on
at the bottom of the hour, and he was on
the advanced team numerous times both domestically and internationally. In
addition to being on presidential detail. I think you if
I know it properly, like you're on the advanced team
and then you get promoted to presidential detail, or if
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you're on your way out, you may do it on
the way out. But generally domestically, like Kamala Harris was
in Atlanta last night, and obviously she has protection. You
come to Atlanta, they already have a lot of stuff
in place, like they know who they've been to, major
metropolitan areas. How to do it. Farm Field might be
a little bit different, but we'll cover all that. I
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think it'll be interesting. We should learn something. We're gonna
try to learn something this summer. Kentucky Sports Radio continues
after this TJ.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
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Speaker 3 (23:13):
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Speaker 2 (23:14):
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Here's Matt Jones.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
All right, Tom Harden for Matt Jones. We've got a
special guest with us right now, Tim Rebelay, who was
a Secret Service agent for a number of years. Also
college fraternity brother mine nice enough to join us. All right, Tim,
here's the thing, And you may have heard like this
is generally a sports show, so bear with us as
we kind of attack the basics of this thing to
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help folks throughout the commonwealth understand kind of what happened
and how everything rolled out in Butler, Pennsylvania. But first
of all, thanks for being with us man. I appreciate it.
Speaker 8 (23:51):
Yeah, pooey, great, great to be on and great to
hear you in. Talk to you Tom.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
All right. So I did have a question that came
in via Twitter to start things off that is unrelated
to this, but uh, you you were on presidential detail
for both Bush and Obama, and this person wanted to know,
for a secret service member, where your job is to
lay your life on the line, how do you keep
personal politics out of it or do personal politics ever
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come into how you do your job every day.
Speaker 8 (24:22):
No, that's a great question. I get that a lot.
But absolutely so. We as agents, uh, we are a
political you know. We we take an oath on the
Constitution of the United States of America and that that
office uh and and that that document is greater than
than than any one person. And also we protect the
office of the presidency. It doesn't matter. As you stated,
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I I protected Republicans, Democrats, uh, you know, also world leaders.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Uh. You know, throughout the world.
Speaker 8 (24:49):
So we take the oaths on the Constitution to uh
to defend the Constitution and protect those individuals that so
happen to hold that office.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Okay. Ronald Rowe is the acting director of the Secret Service.
He's been on the hill testifying before a Senate Judiciary
and Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs committees the last couple
of days. He took over after Kimberly Cheedle resigned following
her appearance before a House committee. I want you to
speak for a moment about the pride you took in
your job and the organization, and then your reaction to
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what happened in Butler, Pennsylvania on July thirteenth, just as
someone who's spent and dedicated so many years of your
life to the Secret Service.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
Yeah, so great question. So yeah, I quit it. And
I understand this is sports talk.
Speaker 8 (25:38):
So it would be like a team that you you know,
you you invest time in training and you get to
know your team members or my fellow agents. You know,
I traveled the world and spend you know, countless holidays,
Christmas Is, birthdays, anniversaries in foreign countries and in you
know state, so you know, working midnight shifts and everything.
So you really developed that bond which is really similar
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to a sports team or fraternity or you know, something
like of that nature that that people can relate to.
And it's a bond that you know, is this thick
as blood and knowing that you potentially may have to
give your life for the Constitution. As I mentioned previously,
that bond is even thicker.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
Some of my.
Speaker 8 (26:18):
Closest friends on this planet are former agents, you know,
from the Secret Service. As it relates to Butler, Pennsylvania.
On July thirteenth, I was actually watching that rally live
on TV with my son, and as soon as everything
went down, I knew exactly what happened, and obviously, like
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every other American, I wanted to make sure the former
president was safe. But then me I wanted to jump
through the TV because, you know, twenty two years with
the Agency, you trained just like a sports team, and
you have muscle memory, and all my training was kicking in,
and I wanted to jump through the TV and help
because you spend a career, spend a lifetime hoping that
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moment never happens, but one it does, and when it
did on that Saturday afternoon on July thirteenth. I wanted
to be there because that's what I trained. That's why
I would wake up at Odark thirty and run and
work out, lift weights and shoot, training for that exact moment.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
So you know, it.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
Was hard.
Speaker 6 (27:22):
You know, obviously as an American.
Speaker 8 (27:23):
You know to see an attack like that, but it
was you know, also hard as an agent to sit
back and be kind of helpless and not be able
to help.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
I wanted to do something to assist my former colleagues.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Tim Revlay is our guests. You spent twenty two years
in the Secret Service and was on presidential detail with
both George W. Bush and Obama in addition to it
being a family, and you describe the Secret Services being
a team. There's several different levels, right, I mean, you
have a first team, and you have reserves, and you
have a JV. And I'm simplifying it, but in terms
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of the ones that jumped on this age immediately after
the shots rang out, I kind of view those people
from a sports standpoint as like they're the first teamers, right,
They're the ones that Madam most is with the President
every single day everywhere he goes. And you correct me
if I'm wrong in that observation. But what I'm getting
at is I wanted we know there are systemic failures
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throughout in both the planning and execution. But how did
you think that those first team are so to speak,
or however you guys describe them in the service. How
do you gauge their reaction the job that they did
in getting to Trump.
Speaker 8 (28:34):
Yeah, so those agents that you saw, we refer to
as the shift. So those agents are permanently assigned to
the former president's detail. So they are their Their duty,
as you saw, was to cover, shield and evacuate the president.
The remaining agents that were there were typically from the
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field or the field office I eat, in this case,
the Pittsburgh Field Office. So I've thought about this. It
is to equate it to like a sports team. You know,
you would have you know, the first first team offense
going in uh to protect your guys, and then you
may have uh, you know, the second or third team
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offense or so to speak, uh, you know lining in.
Speaker 6 (29:19):
Wait.
Speaker 8 (29:19):
But again, don't don't get me wrong, they're all highly qualified.
Less than one percent of people in the world that
apply for the US Secret Service, uh, you know, become agents.
So they're all highly trained, highly skilled.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
Men and women.
Speaker 8 (29:31):
But to answer your question, I'll tell you tom the
UH the their reaction, though I know there's a lot
of criticism online, their reaction to to the situation.
Speaker 6 (29:45):
Is textbooked.
Speaker 8 (29:46):
It'll be looked at for the next one hundred plus
years in secret service academy on what to do, cover,
shield and evacuate uh to you know, and a lot
of people that are criticizing they've never had rounds in
coming wazing past their head. Everybody talks a big game,
but you know, to quote Mike Tyson, everybody has a
plan un till you're punch in the mouth. And they
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they were punched in the mouth and they acted appropriately.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
So I applaud them on the reaction.
Speaker 8 (30:13):
And like I said, that will be uh looked at
for the next hundred plus years on what what to
do correctly.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
From your perspective, where did the biggest failure occur in Butler, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 8 (30:26):
The biggest speluy to occur in Butler, Pennsylvania was we
rely a lot on our local counterpart system.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
And you know, I love local law enforcement. I started
my career.
Speaker 8 (30:36):
As a police officer in the city of Saint Louis
years ago.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
We can't do our job without them.
Speaker 8 (30:42):
But that was the main you know, uh uh, you
know fault in this situation.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
We we I keep saying we.
Speaker 8 (30:50):
But the US Secret Service had a plan in place,
which we like a blueprint or a game plan if
you're a football team, and you know the the deepense
if you will, didn't follow the game planned and there
we was hold. Uh they were posted. Uh, they were
supposed to be posted in a certain position, and they
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they weren't properly posted because it was too hot. And
then on top of that, even if they stayed on
their interior posts, which we've all learned, if they stayed there, they.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
Would have observed the shooter.
Speaker 8 (31:24):
So it was many small failures that led to one
major catastrophic failure. But to use the analogy of sports again,
the Secret Service would be like the head coach. You
have the offensive, defensive coordinators and such.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
They do their do their jobs.
Speaker 8 (31:39):
Out in the field, but then you have the actual
the players that put the plan together.
Speaker 6 (31:43):
And the players failed.
Speaker 8 (31:45):
But ultimately that comes back to the head coach, which
is the US Secret Service. So don't get don't don't
take it that I'm blaming this on local law enforcement.
It ultimately comes back on the U S Secret Service.
We we failed or they failed, but it was a
complete breakdown of assignments and missing assignments, then abandoning assignments
overall some rebel.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
As our guest twenty two years the United States Secret
Service and a career in law enforcement. The phrase that
you just used just kind of boggles my mind and
my assumption as you're talking about the local counter snipers,
they're the ones who thought that it was too hot
and weren't in position to cover the roof. Is that right?
Speaker 8 (32:26):
Well, so, to me, a lot of this and again
there's a lot out in the media that isn't clarified.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
So we had US Secret Service.
Speaker 8 (32:36):
Counter snipers team at the three o'clock position, then he
had another local team close to the three o'clock position
in relation to the stage. And even though those guys
were Giver County ESU counter snipers, it doesn't matter. Nobody's
talked about the fact we don't put snipers in those
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positions with weapons. Typically nobody's talked about it. But they
would be have their weapons decked, they would probably have
their side arm, but not long guns. They were there
specifically to post a vulnerability to not allow access to
the roofs or obviously take the high ground to see
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anybody that would take access to opposing roofs. So they
weren't there in a sniper position, which nobody's really talked about.
They were there as what we used the term post standard.
They were there to post a vulnerability that was identified
within the security plan, and they took it upon themselves
because it was too hot whatever it is, which is
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completely unacceptable to move inside of the AC. Well, you know,
the other one hundred plus agents and officers were out
there in the heat. That's part of the job, you know, heat, rain, wind,
whatever it is, you deal with it. But again I
might sound like I'm throwing them under the bus, but
a lot of people.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
Haven't talked about this type of thing, and it's about.
Speaker 8 (34:00):
Time that, you know, we point out the facts of
what's going on.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
That's all I've talked about from the last you know,
eighteen days.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Yeah no, And I think with the political grandstanding that
happens in every one of these hearings, we lose attention
to detail and we lose a lot of the facts
because it turns into yelling about this, yelling about that.
Tim Rebelly served United States Secret Surface for over two decades.
He's our guest. One of the questions we had from
from Shannon was he's really interested in the role of
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the Advanced Team and specifically, how do you secure an
area like that. I think it's it's fairly understandable when
presidents go into arenas on a regular basis and stadiums
on a regular basis, and all the places that they go,
say within DC or major metropolitan areas that have been
secured numerous times, and then your go to a field
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right in Pennsylvania, what is the role of the Advanced
Team and being able to secure that area as much
as you can share for listeners.
Speaker 8 (35:01):
Yeah, so one thing I talked about about a week ago,
you know, not not giving up too much thing things
operational security wise, because you know there's still agents out
there doing, uh, performing.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
The mission, protecting people. But the answer the question, it's actually,
you know, we've been all over the world.
Speaker 8 (35:18):
I've done thousands of advances on six continents, you know,
seventy plus countries, war zones, the whole nine yards.
Speaker 6 (35:25):
And it's not rocket science. You start out, you find
out what the logistics are or or the plan of your.
Speaker 8 (35:33):
Protectee is from where where's that individual going to arrive,
where they're going to walk on stage, and then then
you develop your plan, uh with layers of security.
Speaker 6 (35:46):
You have an inner, middle, and outer perimeter.
Speaker 8 (35:49):
Ultimately that you develop based on where they're going to be.
And for example, this he's Butler, Pennsylvania. You know, they
looked at or he's going to arrive here, He's going
to go to the daisk, give remarks for an hour
bus whatever it is. So they they radiate out from
there with the inner, the middle, and the outer perimeters.
And as we know, in which is standard methodology for
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the US Secret Service, the inner and middle perimeters are
typically all US Secret Service personnel sprinkled in with you know,
some local police. And we know for a fact that
the inner and middle perimeter was you know work was
worked by Secret.
Speaker 6 (36:28):
Service and PSB Pennsylvania State Police.
Speaker 8 (36:31):
Therefore, that left the outer perimeter, you know, to more
local law enforcement Butler Beaver County, some of the surrounding jurisdictions.
Speaker 6 (36:40):
But but again to answer.
Speaker 8 (36:41):
Your question, is you go in, you walk the path
of the protectee. You look at any vulnerability three hundred
and sixty degrees up down above below, and even now
you know the tail end of my my, my career,
we would look at anything cyber wise that would affect uh,
potentially the protectee.
Speaker 6 (37:01):
So no stone is unturned.
Speaker 8 (37:03):
And I know the folks who created that plan, and
I don't. I haven't seen the plan, so I can't
talk to it per se. But I know the quality
of work of the agents that you put that plan together,
and I know from twenty plus years of history it
was a solid It had to be a solid plan.
Speaker 6 (37:19):
It just wasn't implemented.
Speaker 8 (37:20):
And again, to use that analogy of sports, you could
have the best game plan on Sunday afternoon in the NFL,
but you got to improvise, overcome, and adapt based on
you know, the opposing team.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
All right, Tim, we only have we only have one
minute to go. And I'm curious about this. At any
point in these scenarios, does protection ever get overruled by
the campaign or somebody close to the asset who says, no, no,
we want to do this instead, And how does the
Secret Service handle that to try and protect them, even
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if you know, even if the candidate wants to do
something different.
Speaker 6 (37:58):
No, so Tom, I could. I can attest to my
career and.
Speaker 8 (38:02):
A lot of times that's why they pay us what
they pay us, which quite frankly isn't enough.
Speaker 6 (38:07):
But that's another story.
Speaker 8 (38:09):
We have those hard conversations with our protectees and they
respect us. We say no, sir, this is not a
safe area and we can't do this for whatever reason,
as long as you have a reason.
Speaker 6 (38:21):
Why it's not a safe thing.
Speaker 8 (38:23):
A lot of times, quite honestly, they respect you so
much if you say no, they're not going to do
it based on your experience.
Speaker 6 (38:29):
So it's been done. It's been done one hundred times.
Speaker 8 (38:32):
And again, if the shift knew there was an actual threat,
I know for a fact they would not have put
him on stage, but that was never ever communicated to.
Speaker 6 (38:42):
The shift or the US Secret Service.
Speaker 8 (38:45):
Put it this way, the individual was identified as a
threat and he was neutralized within fifteen seconds.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Yeah, Sam, this is awesome information, man, I appreciate it.
I know you've got a lot going on. Thanks for
giving us your time and explaining it to the viewers.
And I know the seventy nine Annaville that you drove
to practice when you're wrestling coolest car. Coolest car. Yeah,
thanks man.
Speaker 6 (39:07):
Enjoy the rest of the day absolutely anytime.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
It's Tim Rebela from the United States Secret Service, retired
after twenty two years of service. I hope that was interesting.
We'll try to rehash some of it when we come
back with with the boys back in Lexington. You're listening
to Kentucky Sports Radio.
Speaker 6 (39:23):
Night.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Welcome back to Kentucky Sports Radio. That was our guest,
Tim Reblay, who was with the United States Secret Service
for twenty two years, breaking down what's going on on
the Hill today and yesterday. So for those of you
who loved it great and liked that information. For others,
Drew's got to get back Sitting at his feet at KSR.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
I was really listening to that, and uh, you know,
I like hearing from someone whose job is much more
important than mine. You know, we kind of have fake
jobs here on KS I'm wearing what I'm probably gonna
probably what I slept in. Uh So that was really fascinating.
But then a package showed up out of nowhere that
kind of took took us by a prize here at
KOs Bar. We've been shipped from Tyson Foods in Arkansas
(40:05):
Razorback nuggets and Arkansas branded swag that that arrived during
that interview.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
They signed a five star point guard last week. Account.
Speaker 7 (40:14):
You know, I gotta give Tyson Foods a little credit
that when they hired Cal they sent us some Tyson
Chicken nuggets like that day, and then now they've got
these Razorback nuggets out. I mean, it's that's kind of
a boss moves in it to us. We have to
we have to answer it. So we're gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
We're gonna eat the nuggets. So we're gonna throw them
in the trash.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
Oh I'm eating. Oh, I'm They're good.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
I'm saving mine for the night we play and after
the game, after Mark Pope's team cooks them. I'm gonna
cook these nuggets and have a nice little celebration.
Speaker 8 (40:41):
Bill.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
So, Shannon, what what has you most interested like how
you protect an asset as a Secret Service member and
the failure of the Secret Service in Butler, Pennsylvania or
chicken nuggets.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
I was pretty fascinated with the interview, to be honest
with you, But I'm also intrigued by is it a
troll job that they're trying to do?
Speaker 5 (41:02):
Are they just trying to extend.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Like the Olive Branch aka the Razorback Nuggets to Big
Blue Nation by sending these what what what's the goal here?
Speaker 5 (41:10):
It's a troll move. Definitely a troll move.
Speaker 7 (41:12):
Yeah, sending it to us. It arrives during the show.
You know they they don't have any.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Control over the post office delivery.
Speaker 5 (41:21):
Hold on a.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
Second, Hold on a second. Can I just go on
a rant here? This is what's wrong with America? Okay,
this is where we have gone off the rails. We
had a former president nearly assassinated, and we have details
on what went wrong and how it's supposed to go.
And you guys were dialed in on it. And then
Ups showed up yep with Dino nuggets and you're like, oh, look, squirrel, butterfly,
(41:48):
it's gone gone out the door. This is unbelievable, but
totally believable.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
Feels like a declaration of wars.
Speaker 7 (41:58):
Corey Price has tweeted your picture and your friend's picture
from your fraternity days at Missouri.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
By the way, Yeah, by the way, if anybody wants secrets,
don't just cut Corey Price's wife.
Speaker 5 (42:10):
That's it.
Speaker 7 (42:11):
He's a secret service guy and Corey found pictures of
him like in a couple seconds.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
It's unbelievable. We've got more to come. We probably won't
talk national security, I suppose, but we'll talk nuggets and
we want to get Mario's take on how he loves
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This This Kentucky Sports Radio presented by Stockton Mortgage. Now
here's Matt Jones.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
What is up? Tom hard In for Matt Jones? Is
the summer winds to a close. I am in Atlanta, Georgia.
We've got Ryan and Drew with Mario and Lexington. Shannon
is in Louisville. Gang, we got a lot to talk about,
and we've got a special guest coming up at the
bottom of the hour talking about a topic that may
(00:58):
get me disinvited from coming back on the show ever again.
But that's that's for later. Drew, Let's start with you. You've
got a very punishable stern them. Ryan's got a punchable face,
Shannon gets thrown around the ring but has never been
punched in the face. And Mario is just too cool
for anybody to put fingers on. How's everybody feeling today?
And drew any any lasting bruises injuries from your altercation?
Speaker 4 (01:24):
You know, I don't want to give anyone too much credit,
but I have. I do still feel it a little bit,
but we're all right, sor right we were Rod and
how off that win. It's not about the extracurriculars. It's
about the fun we had in their building. Really, my
wrists hurt more from putting the l's down than anything else.
I think I broke them. My l's were down so
much Monday night.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
I have so many questions about this. The first thing
I thought of you guys kind of brought it up.
Like you know, Ryan gets knocked unconscious in Columbia after
the Kentucky South Carolina football game. You get some low
for throwing punches at you after TVT the other night
that big Kentucky went. But specifically, here's what I was wondering.
(02:08):
You didn't address this. Do you think the person who
accosted you knew who you were? And knew your name
and knew your personality and what you do for a living.
Or was this stranger on stranger crime.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
I really don't know. We'd have to speak to that person.
I had never seen that person in my life or
had prior interactions, or had even seen them until after
I had been hit.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
So I don't know.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
I don't have those answers. Maybe, I mean, maybe he
just saw that I did the L's down all night.
I really don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Is he going to be your guest at ten thirty?
Speaker 6 (02:42):
Man?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Wouldn't that be awesome?
Speaker 7 (02:45):
It crossed my mind that Tom wouldn't tell us who
this special guest is. It crossed my mind he tracked
down the dude that punched Drew Tea.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
If you want to call in, I want to put
you on the air. It's not due to punch Drew.
What Drew? You can't say his name?
Speaker 4 (03:02):
I just well, we'll let everything play out. I mean,
everybody knows its name. It's everywhere.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
But you know, okay, Well listen, here's the deal. You're
you're a celebrity, like you're recognizable phase. You're a commercial entity, right?
You do you have sponsorship deals in place with with companies?
There's no way this guy did not know who you are.
No way, there's no way he didn't know Steel at
(03:27):
South Carolina. Maybe that was just you know, somebody hauling
off on a Kentucky fan because they were being, you know,
being jerks. But but this guy had to have known
who you were. And to me, and I'm I don't
have a law degree and I've never I haven't really
spent that much time in the courtroom, to be honest.
But to me, that makes it premeditated. Ryan, what do
you think.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
I think you're on the right track.
Speaker 7 (03:48):
I think this guy saw Drews kind of sitting in
front of him the whole game, giving the l's down,
celebrating that's Drew Franklin. And then he ended up as
he leaves, walking by him and boom, gives him the
little shot to the chest.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
You know what, you have a point because we all
know my face isn't my money maker. He didn't aim
for that, that would have done no damage to me.
He went from my chest, which I need these lungs,
this lung capacity radio show.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
Yeah, yeah, I think he might have attacked my career.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Shannon. If you were in a press charges or file
a lawsuit in your mind, does it change things if
it was premeditated versus what they sometimes refer to as
a crime of passion, like it was just convenient as
he's walking by and he sees a random guy in
blue throwing L's down. Does that change No?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Because if I get punched in the sternum, I'm calling
TJ and he's gonna make them pay. That's what's gonna
happen if it happens to me in public. But we
already had on a hawk two as as Drew called
him apologize to h Nate Cstina. So I think that
this guy should call in and apologize to Drew for
punching him in the sternum.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Drew's injured would call and would we accept that apology?
Speaker 4 (04:56):
I'd call it the worst call of the day. I
don't need apology. Damage is done. What's a apology gonna do?
Speaker 5 (05:02):
You know?
Speaker 7 (05:02):
We've all been that situation where after a rivalry game
or a heated game, you end up having some interactions
with other fans. I know, after Wisconsin had beat us
in the Final four, guy I know and got into it,
and it was a constant fan. They ain't got into
a fistfight. So I mean, I know, I know what happens,
but you rarely doesn't happen. I think in the arena,
that's what I think make this one a little different.
(05:22):
This They hadn't even left the stand, you haven't left
the floor yet.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
You feel like it's it's more common once you you
get outside of the arena. Now you're shoulder to shoulder usually,
you know, walking down the street or going down the sidewalk,
and people feel more free to talk smack at that point.
Is that the difference?
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (05:44):
I think you are making this sound like I had
engaged anything with this person. I'm just walking by, living
my life. I'm a victim of a random attack. Here,
I'm an assault victim. There was no engagement where I
said something to him, he said something back, and then
it's on. I am with my wife walking towards a
basketball floor.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
And bam, bam. Did you see it?
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Did not even see it coming.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
He had a little posse with him too, you know,
trying to act like they were holding them back, little posse.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
So glad to correctly that could have really gone off
the rails quickly. Kentucky football starting today, Am I right?
Speaker 5 (06:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (06:20):
On the field one I had to report their first
meeting I think was at eight thirty this morning for
their first meeting, first day of fall camp.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
So let's go.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Walker, Max Harrison leading that defense for returning starters on
the old line, Rock fander Griff. What are the expectations
Drew a quarterback? How good could Brock Vandergriff be? What
is the ceiling for him?
Speaker 4 (06:41):
We're hearing very good things we're getting Will Levis comparisons,
not that he's going to go on and you know,
be an NFL starter, but that how it's a very
business like approach. The moment he got there, you know,
it's not fun and games, it's where's my playbook, let's
watch film. That kind of attitude coming from George and
already haven't even though I didn't have much game experience.
This isn't just some new guy ready to come into
college football. He knows what he wants and what he's
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trying to accomplish this year. And another Levis comparison is
that at sec ME today some of his Georgia teammates
said that the man doesn't know how to slide, so
when he runs, he's he's looking to run people over.
So not trying to put that pressure on him, because
Levis had an outstanding two years here. But I like
the similarities out of spring and heading into the preseason
camp of just his approach and uh maybe the way
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he will play. I don't know that he'll have the
h that arm that Levis had that was pretty special.
But I love what we're hearing of how he's working
in the locker room already being a good leader, and
then we'll see you. We heard good things about how
he was just close to stilling that job at Georgia.
That's the reason why Kentucky fans are so excited. We'll
take Georgia's second best, we'll take their third best, but
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we're really excited to see him get on the field soon.
So far, of what we've heard, it's it's all been positive.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I like the comp from a running standpoint, because that
was you know, obviously, that was Levis's background of Penn
State and how he was used, and he didn't get
much of a chance to show off the cannon of
an arm until he until he arrived at Kentucky. I'm
getting I'm getting geared up for the physical play of
college football by watching water polo and the Olympics. I
mean that is just a beat down every single match.
(08:12):
But that's that's for later. Ryan. Well, what's your scoop
on the wide receiver room?
Speaker 5 (08:17):
Uh? Actually, we had dinner with Dane last night kind of.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Yeah, let's get ahead, it's hit and what's the news?
Am I great?
Speaker 7 (08:25):
You know I wanted to get together with him before
camp started, so you know, with camp starting today, let's
meet and I have a little dinner and talk a
little bit about some stuff. We had a caller yesterday.
I want to clarify some of the caller yesterday was
Terry said, who you know? We know Dane and Berry
on and kind of the cornerstone of the receiving room.
Who are some other guys that we may see on
the field. And I talked to Dane about it last night.
And the guy that transferred from North Texas I can't
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even remember his name, but the receiver that transferred from
North Texas is going to be on the field a lot.
And Fred Ferrier from Frankfurt who transferred from UA B
is gonna be on the fiddle lot. Those are the
two names he gave us as also in that receiver
room that see time on the field this year.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Jamury Macklin.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
Macklin.
Speaker 8 (09:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
We mentioned Macklin yesterday. He's a guy to really watch them.
Carry on, Tom Fred Ferrier from Frankfurt.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
Fred Ferrier from Frankfort.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Yeah, say that, Say that ten times.
Speaker 7 (09:13):
Fast, Fred Fredrian.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
I can't do it.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
You can't. I'm sorry, I'm missing Drew. Who's Who's the
North Texas guy?
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Jamury Macklin. We named him yesterday when a caller asked
about uh guys to watch. He's a North Texas transfer
related to former NFL receiver Jeremy Macklin.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
You know.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
There you go. Yeah, it's a Missouri guy, right.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Yes, right, and played for the Eagles for a long
time kickoff return specialists in addition to being an elite
wide receiver playing with Chase Daniel on that Missouri team
that went to number one in the country in two
thousand and seven. So one of the really one of
the best wide receivers in Missouri.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
I don't remember any of that. Yeah, we don't. We
don't remember that. We don't remember any of that. I
remember it's right.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Because you got knocked out.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
I got knocked out of Caroline.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
If I were there, he'd be about to get knocked
out again talking to them.
Speaker 7 (10:08):
Now here's here's another little we're talking about the quarterbacks.
We've talked about this on the show, but Tom, they're
gonna have packages in place where they're gonna have two
quarterbacks on the field at the same time. With Gavin
Wimsit now in camp, he can do some things that
I think, and I think, uh bush Handen wants to
kind of utilize both of those guys, So I think
we're gonna see a little of that once in a while.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Drew.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
I hate to be negative, but you've got an NFL
caliber quarterback taking most of your snaps. Don't you want
him to take all of your snaps when he's available?
Speaker 4 (10:43):
It would seem that way, and I'll be honest, it
was a bit of a surprise when Gavin Wimsit transferred in.
He's started a lot of games at Rutgers through for
close to two thousand yards last year, so it's interesting
that guy would come over here. I assume he would
know he'd have to be playing a little bit to
take this job. So it you know, what's the old saying,
if you have two quarterbacks, you I have one. I
don't think it's that scenario, but I think in the
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red zone especially, there are gonna have some packages.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
I get a little tricky with him.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Did he commit after Brock was already lined up?
Speaker 5 (11:11):
He is a late addition.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
That's why I was kind of a surprise, the guy
that was a maybe even two three year starter at
Rutgers transferring where he knew he wouldn't be the number one.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
That's interesting, but it also shows the value I think,
just on the surface level of where would you rather
play football? You know, would you rather be in the
SEC playing for Kentucky and having a chance to win
a lot of games and having eight home games and
playing a top ten schedule, or getting your teeth kicked
in every single day ruts.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
He's also a Kentucky native, so there could have been
a little wanting to get home for that too. He's
from Ryan's third hometown of Owensborough.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Third hometown.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Yeah, you know, I Tom, I have.
Speaker 7 (11:52):
I have several hometowns, and Owensborough's count Oldensborough's one of them.
I went to school there, I lived there, so it's
kind of a hometown.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Actually has a couple actually still like here.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (12:02):
Uh, but I think whims it I think with Bush
Hampton with the offense, he wants to try to run.
He wants the quarterback to be able to to run
and do some things. And I think that's where they
may try to use whims it.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Uh, that sounds that sounds really good. By the way,
we talked about lawsuits already. Can somebody do the TJ read?
Can we get that eut of the way? Do we
need to do that?
Speaker 5 (12:21):
You know?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (12:22):
Every episode is sponsored by the TJ SMIDT Law Office.
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Speaker 5 (12:28):
He'll make them pay. He'll make them pay by guy.
Speaker 7 (12:31):
So Drew already called the DJ and I already TJ
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Speaker 4 (12:36):
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Speaker 5 (12:38):
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Speaker 5 (12:42):
There we go.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Did you send that text before you left the building?
Speaker 6 (12:47):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (12:47):
No, no, no, no, I was. I was too caught
up in the moment. That's why people like, did you retaliate?
Speaker 5 (12:52):
No?
Speaker 4 (12:52):
I didn't retaliate. I went straight out to the court
and had fun with lat familiar because That's why I
was there. I'm worried about the other stuff afterwards.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
The law familiar stuff is so cool, and I worked
TVT years ago. Now Fox has it, so it's we
don't we can't even do it anyway. But I just
kept waiting for them to figure out how to put
together teams at schools that really care and that matter.
And when I was doing it, and I know, all
I stayed is up next and Jared Salinger was playing
on the team with Aaron Kraft and that was the
(13:19):
final four team oh four, oh five, oh six, something
like that. You know, that was that was one with
big followings. But Kentucky didn't have a team, and it
took him forever to kind of get this thing figured out.
Where now you have an attendance record, now you've got
all of this interest, not just locally but nationally. It
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feels like it feels like they're on the right path.
And my favorite thing of all of this is how
now Mario's got a favorite team.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I mean, that is so cool. And maybe we'll throw
I don't he probably don't have a micfront him, but
we'll throw it down that later because I want to
talk about that, So let's go to break. We'll got
more to talk about. I want to I want to
introduce who's going to be on at the bottom of
the hour, so we get we can maximize the time
with him.
Speaker 7 (14:06):
And none of us know. None of us know who
this surprise guest is coming on today.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Ron actually stopped out of our house yesterday. We were
trying to guess who it could be.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
We would never guess, You would never guess. And it's
it's not about the guest himself, although he's going to
provide great information. It's more about the topic that could
be incredibly divisive and probably something that Matt would never
ever ever allow.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
Oh good, you're going out your last song.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
You're going out swinging today, your last show, one song,
and we're going down.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
I'm gonna convince him never to ask me back. That's
really the goal of this topic. At the bottom of
the hour. All right, well, let's take a break. When
would come back. I want to share an experience that
I had, and then we'll get you ready for our
topic at the bottom of the hour. You're listening to
Kentucky Sports Radio. This is epic LL cool Jay to
(15:03):
bring us back. Mama said, knock you out. You can't
hear it on them. Still can't hear it on the podcast.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
Huh, I can't hear it the podcast. You can sing
it though, if you'd like, then they can hear that part.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
I'm more of a sir mixed that guy. But yeah,
next time around, next time right, Yeah, I celebrate all
of LL's catalog. By the way, have you guys been
watching much of the Olympics.
Speaker 7 (15:24):
Yeah, I know, Well, we have it on right now
at cas bar and grill. We got a little swimming
on and a little fencing down at the other end.
But this is about all I've seen so far is
what I'm watching right now.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
I got a little behind on Monday in Louisville, but
otherwise I've watched about every minute I could. Got the
gymnastics last night. I didn't get to see Nadal Djokovic
the other day. I was excited about that one.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Missed that one.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
But I saw a rugby. I'm taking it all in
tom as much as I can watch.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
The rugby seven's has been amazing. The US one bronze
yesterday with a it was basically like if it were football,
it would have been a ninety eight yard run at
the buzzer. I saw that she went through the line.
She was basically tackled. Somehow she kept going and boom,
she took it to the house. She had to kick
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and then she had to make the kick to win it.
And she said afterwards, She's like, oh, I thought the
run won it. I didn't even really know what the
score was because Australia had missed their kick their try.
I don't understand all the rules. All I know is
rugby seven's is awesome. I think it's done. I was
watching some of the three on three basketball yesterday. Ryan
Howard's Ryan Howard's playing for United say it's along with
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Haley ban Lytt on the women's side. The men's side
has jim or Fordett, who I loved when he was
at BU national player of the Year, and Kenyon Barry.
I don't know if you remember Caanan Barry played at Florida.
He's one that shot his free throws granny style.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
You remember.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Twelve second shot clock. Fun game. But to be quite honest,
we're terrible. Our teams are getting smoked.
Speaker 7 (16:57):
Yeah, I know, I knew the women it got b right.
Howard's team got beat their first round game.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Totally different game than like the three and three you
play in your backyard, because it's constant, like as soon
as the ball goes through the hoop, you kick it
back out, you get back behind the three point line,
and as soon as you touch it, that twelve second
shot clock goes. So it's it's like a balance of
conditioning and and hoops and making shots. It looks really hard, Shannon.
(17:28):
When do we go to break before right at ten thirty?
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yeah, yeah, ten twenty nine forty to give you the
exact okay second.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Sorry to show you how the sausage is made. I
don't I'm still I've only done it all summer and I'm.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Still dotting tenth show.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
We don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
I'm new to this. I'm a rookie. All right, here's
here's my idea for the bottom of the hour. Politics
in our country this summer has just gone off the rails, right,
so many wild things from Biden dropping out to Trump's
attempted assassination, all of this stuff. And I'm not a
(18:06):
politics guy, Like, I'm not good at talking about it.
And I know that there's some stuff that Matt just
totally avoids when it comes to this show. But I
have a buddy who kind of knows how some of
this stuff works. I went to college with. I'm gonna
bring him on and we're going to talk about the
attempted assassination on Trump. What do you think, Ryan, good idea?
(18:29):
A bad idea?
Speaker 7 (18:30):
Well, I mean, it's it's a moment in our history
where all of us are going to remember this happened,
like I like, for me, I remember when Reagan there
was assassination attempt on Ronald Reagan. I was in high school.
So now we all remember the assassinations attempt on a
former president. I mean, it's it's historical, it.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Is, and there's still hearings going on on how the
Secret Service handled it. That's what's in the news currently.
That was yesterday the new acting director of the Secret
Services get grilled on Capitol Hill. So the person we're
going to have on was one of my fraternity brothers
at the University of Missouri who immediately upon graduation, he
(19:08):
was a wrestler at Missou, went into the industry and
he worked for the FBI. Then he worked for the
Secret Service, and he was on presidential detail for both
George W. Bush and Obama. I mean, this is a
guy who every morning would go jogging with George Bush,
and then a couple of years later he'd be the
one that would ride down the elevator with Barack Obama
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and take him down to the first floor and go
on these trips and do the advance. And this is
kind of where I think the Secret Services catching a
lot of heat for how they handled everything. It wasn't
just in the moment, it was how the advanced team
handled everything and why the former directors now fired. So
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we're going to have Tim reblay on. He was on
Fox News last week going over all of this stuff
and a lot of these failures, and I just want
him to explain to us what should have happened in
that moment and how they prepare for I don't want
to see inevitable, but how they prepare for worst case scenario
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and where Secret Service dropped the ball. Because what's going
on now at Capitol Hill is there's so much political
grand standing that I think it's hard for normal people
like us to really understand what matters and what doesn't
and what the director of the Secret Service can share
and what they can't share. Right, Because if you share
(20:34):
with these senators all of the details. Then you're just
giving our adversaries the entire playbook. So there's only so
much you can say in these hearings as well, Drew,
is there anything you want to hear from a former
Secret Service member about how things were handled that day
and how they should have been handled?
Speaker 4 (20:53):
I mean, I'd be interested to here, maybe not have
anything specific that I've thought of, because to be honest,
I haven't really kept up with it that much. Certainly,
this is a lot different. I was thinking you were
gonna have Pat Kelsey. This is not the direction I
thought we were going. That was my guest. But no,
I think it'd be very interesting to hear for something
that was, obviously, as Ryan said, one of the biggest
stories in our country in several years.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
You know, the summer shows, you never know which way
they're going to go. Tom.
Speaker 7 (21:16):
You know, last week we had in depth discussions on
deviled eggs, and yesterday it was Armadillo's. You're gonna get
serious with this after the commercial break and talk something
very serious with this, so we a lesson will be
learned here today.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I just wanted to change speeds a little bit, right.
I mean, there's only so much Lugi's in Nate Sestina's
face that will carry us through an entire summer show.
And we have access to a knowledgeable person, Shannon, what
about I.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Would actually like to ask him what he would have
done to keep Natesanstina from getting spot on by Louisville
after the game. What kind of protection did Nate need?
Speaker 3 (21:47):
It's a great question. If you had an advanced team
in place that knew that there was a spinner, could
you have shut it down before?
Speaker 2 (21:54):
To Curt, yes, yeah, I just want to know, like,
when we're bringing in a president to a specific what
are like, in detail the things that they have to
go through to get that stage and that area ready
for a president or someone running for president to come in.
Because to me that that stuff is fascinating, the detail
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that they have they're supposed to go through to get
an area ready for a president.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
So like, how do you secure the area?
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Yeah, yeah, so I remember I've had these conversations with
Tim over the years that we're going to bring on
at the bottom of the hour, and he was on
the advanced team numerous times both domestically and internationally. In
addition to being on presidential detail. I think you if
I know it properly, like you're on the advanced team
and then you get promoted to presidential detail, or if
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you're on your way out, you may do it on
the way out. But generally domestically, like Kamala Harris was
in Atlanta last night, and obviously she has protection. You
come to Atlanta, they already have a lot of stuff
in place, like they know who they've been to, major
metropolitan areas. How to do it. Farm Field might be
a little bit different, but we'll cover all that. I
(23:03):
think it'll be interesting. We should learn something. We're gonna
try to learn something this summer. Kentucky Sports Radio continues
after this TJ.
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Now more of Kentucky Sports Radio present it by Stockton Mortgage.
Here's Matt Jones.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
All right, Tom Harden for Matt Jones. We've got a
special guest with us right now, Tim Rebelay, who was
a Secret Service agent for a number of years. Also
college fraternity brother mine nice enough to join us. All right, Tim,
here's the thing, And you may have heard like this
is generally a sports show, so bear with us as
we kind of attack the basics of this thing to
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help folks throughout the commonwealth understand kind of what happened
and how everything rolled out in Butler, Pennsylvania. But first
of all, thanks for being with us man. I appreciate it.
Speaker 8 (23:51):
Yeah, pooey, great, great to be on and great to
hear you in. Talk to you Tom.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
All right. So I did have a question that came
in via Twitter to start things off that is unrelated
to this, but uh, you you were on presidential detail
for both Bush and Obama, and this person wanted to know,
for a secret service member, where your job is to
lay your life on the line, how do you keep
personal politics out of it or do personal politics ever
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come into how you do your job every day.
Speaker 8 (24:22):
No, that's a great question. I get that a lot.
But absolutely so. We as agents, uh, we are a
political you know. We we take an oath on the
Constitution of the United States of America and that that
office uh and and that that document is greater than
than than any one person. And also we protect the
office of the presidency. It doesn't matter. As you stated,
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I I protected Republicans, Democrats, uh, you know, also world leaders.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Uh. You know, throughout the world.
Speaker 8 (24:49):
So we take the oaths on the Constitution to uh
to defend the Constitution and protect those individuals that so
happen to hold that office.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Okay. Ronald Rowe is the acting director of the Secret Service.
He's been on the hill testifying before a Senate Judiciary
and Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs committees the last couple
of days. He took over after Kimberly Cheedle resigned following
her appearance before a House committee. I want you to
speak for a moment about the pride you took in
your job and the organization, and then your reaction to
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what happened in Butler, Pennsylvania on July thirteenth, just as
someone who's spent and dedicated so many years of your
life to the Secret Service.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
Yeah, so great question. So yeah, I quit it. And
I understand this is sports talk.
Speaker 8 (25:38):
So it would be like a team that you you know,
you you invest time in training and you get to
know your team members or my fellow agents. You know,
I traveled the world and spend you know, countless holidays,
Christmas Is, birthdays, anniversaries in foreign countries and in you
know state, so you know, working midnight shifts and everything.
So you really developed that bond which is really similar
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to a sports team or fraternity or you know, something
like of that nature that that people can relate to.
And it's a bond that you know, is this thick
as blood and knowing that you potentially may have to
give your life for the Constitution. As I mentioned previously,
that bond is even thicker.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
Some of my.
Speaker 8 (26:18):
Closest friends on this planet are former agents, you know,
from the Secret Service. As it relates to Butler, Pennsylvania.
On July thirteenth, I was actually watching that rally live
on TV with my son, and as soon as everything
went down, I knew exactly what happened, and obviously, like
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every other American, I wanted to make sure the former
president was safe. But then me I wanted to jump
through the TV because, you know, twenty two years with
the Agency, you trained just like a sports team, and
you have muscle memory, and all my training was kicking in,
and I wanted to jump through the TV and help
because you spend a career, spend a lifetime hoping that
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moment never happens, but one it does, and when it
did on that Saturday afternoon on July thirteenth. I wanted
to be there because that's what I trained. That's why
I would wake up at Odark thirty and run and
work out, lift weights and shoot, training for that exact moment.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
So you know, it.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
Was hard.
Speaker 6 (27:22):
You know, obviously as an American.
Speaker 8 (27:23):
You know to see an attack like that, but it
was you know, also hard as an agent to sit
back and be kind of helpless and not be able
to help.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
I wanted to do something to assist my former colleagues.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Tim Revlay is our guests. You spent twenty two years
in the Secret Service and was on presidential detail with
both George W. Bush and Obama in addition to it
being a family, and you describe the Secret Services being
a team. There's several different levels, right, I mean, you
have a first team, and you have reserves, and you
have a JV. And I'm simplifying it, but in terms
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of the ones that jumped on this age immediately after
the shots rang out, I kind of view those people
from a sports standpoint as like they're the first teamers, right,
They're the ones that Madam most is with the President
every single day everywhere he goes. And you correct me
if I'm wrong in that observation. But what I'm getting
at is I wanted we know there are systemic failures
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throughout in both the planning and execution. But how did
you think that those first team are so to speak,
or however you guys describe them in the service. How
do you gauge their reaction the job that they did
in getting to Trump.
Speaker 8 (28:34):
Yeah, so those agents that you saw, we refer to
as the shift. So those agents are permanently assigned to
the former president's detail. So they are their Their duty,
as you saw, was to cover, shield and evacuate the president.
The remaining agents that were there were typically from the
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field or the field office I eat, in this case,
the Pittsburgh Field Office. So I've thought about this. It
is to equate it to like a sports team. You know,
you would have you know, the first first team offense
going in uh to protect your guys, and then you
may have uh, you know, the second or third team
(29:16):
offense or so to speak, uh, you know lining in.
Speaker 6 (29:19):
Wait.
Speaker 8 (29:19):
But again, don't don't get me wrong, they're all highly qualified.
Less than one percent of people in the world that
apply for the US Secret Service, uh, you know, become agents.
So they're all highly trained, highly skilled.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
Men and women.
Speaker 8 (29:31):
But to answer your question, I'll tell you tom the
UH the their reaction, though I know there's a lot
of criticism online, their reaction to to the situation.
Speaker 6 (29:45):
Is textbooked.
Speaker 8 (29:46):
It'll be looked at for the next one hundred plus
years in secret service academy on what to do, cover,
shield and evacuate uh to you know, and a lot
of people that are criticizing they've never had rounds in
coming wazing past their head. Everybody talks a big game,
but you know, to quote Mike Tyson, everybody has a
plan un till you're punch in the mouth. And they
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they were punched in the mouth and they acted appropriately.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
So I applaud them on the reaction.
Speaker 8 (30:13):
And like I said, that will be uh looked at
for the next hundred plus years on what what to
do correctly.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
From your perspective, where did the biggest failure occur in Butler, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 8 (30:26):
The biggest speluy to occur in Butler, Pennsylvania was we
rely a lot on our local counterpart system.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
And you know, I love local law enforcement. I started
my career.
Speaker 8 (30:36):
As a police officer in the city of Saint Louis
years ago.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
We can't do our job without them.
Speaker 8 (30:42):
But that was the main you know, uh uh, you
know fault in this situation.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
We we I keep saying we.
Speaker 8 (30:50):
But the US Secret Service had a plan in place,
which we like a blueprint or a game plan if
you're a football team, and you know the the deepense
if you will, didn't follow the game planned and there
we was hold. Uh they were posted. Uh, they were
supposed to be posted in a certain position, and they
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they weren't properly posted because it was too hot. And
then on top of that, even if they stayed on
their interior posts, which we've all learned, if they stayed there, they.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
Would have observed the shooter.
Speaker 8 (31:24):
So it was many small failures that led to one
major catastrophic failure. But to use the analogy of sports again,
the Secret Service would be like the head coach. You
have the offensive, defensive coordinators and such.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
They do their do their jobs.
Speaker 8 (31:39):
Out in the field, but then you have the actual
the players that put the plan together.
Speaker 6 (31:43):
And the players failed.
Speaker 8 (31:45):
But ultimately that comes back to the head coach, which
is the US Secret Service. So don't get don't don't
take it that I'm blaming this on local law enforcement.
It ultimately comes back on the U S Secret Service.
We we failed or they failed, but it was a
complete breakdown of assignments and missing assignments, then abandoning assignments
overall some rebel.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
As our guest twenty two years the United States Secret
Service and a career in law enforcement. The phrase that
you just used just kind of boggles my mind and
my assumption as you're talking about the local counter snipers,
they're the ones who thought that it was too hot
and weren't in position to cover the roof. Is that right?
Speaker 8 (32:26):
Well, so, to me, a lot of this and again
there's a lot out in the media that isn't clarified.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
So we had US Secret Service.
Speaker 8 (32:36):
Counter snipers team at the three o'clock position, then he
had another local team close to the three o'clock position
in relation to the stage. And even though those guys
were Giver County ESU counter snipers, it doesn't matter. Nobody's
talked about the fact we don't put snipers in those
(32:58):
positions with weapons. Typically nobody's talked about it. But they
would be have their weapons decked, they would probably have
their side arm, but not long guns. They were there
specifically to post a vulnerability to not allow access to
the roofs or obviously take the high ground to see
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anybody that would take access to opposing roofs. So they
weren't there in a sniper position, which nobody's really talked about.
They were there as what we used the term post standard.
They were there to post a vulnerability that was identified
within the security plan, and they took it upon themselves
because it was too hot whatever it is, which is
(33:40):
completely unacceptable to move inside of the AC. Well, you know,
the other one hundred plus agents and officers were out
there in the heat. That's part of the job, you know, heat, rain, wind,
whatever it is, you deal with it. But again I
might sound like I'm throwing them under the bus, but
a lot of people.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
Haven't talked about this type of thing, and it's about.
Speaker 8 (34:00):
Time that, you know, we point out the facts of
what's going on.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
That's all I've talked about from the last you know,
eighteen days.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Yeah no, And I think with the political grandstanding that
happens in every one of these hearings, we lose attention
to detail and we lose a lot of the facts
because it turns into yelling about this, yelling about that.
Tim Rebelly served United States Secret Surface for over two decades.
He's our guest. One of the questions we had from
from Shannon was he's really interested in the role of
(34:30):
the Advanced Team and specifically, how do you secure an
area like that. I think it's it's fairly understandable when
presidents go into arenas on a regular basis and stadiums
on a regular basis, and all the places that they go,
say within DC or major metropolitan areas that have been
secured numerous times, and then your go to a field
(34:52):
right in Pennsylvania, what is the role of the Advanced
Team and being able to secure that area as much
as you can share for listeners.
Speaker 8 (35:01):
Yeah, so one thing I talked about about a week ago,
you know, not not giving up too much thing things
operational security wise, because you know there's still agents out
there doing, uh, performing.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
The mission, protecting people. But the answer the question, it's actually,
you know, we've been all over the world.
Speaker 8 (35:18):
I've done thousands of advances on six continents, you know,
seventy plus countries, war zones, the whole nine yards.
Speaker 6 (35:25):
And it's not rocket science. You start out, you find
out what the logistics are or or the plan of your.
Speaker 8 (35:33):
Protectee is from where where's that individual going to arrive,
where they're going to walk on stage, and then then
you develop your plan, uh with layers of security.
Speaker 6 (35:46):
You have an inner, middle, and outer perimeter.
Speaker 8 (35:49):
Ultimately that you develop based on where they're going to be.
And for example, this he's Butler, Pennsylvania. You know, they
looked at or he's going to arrive here, He's going
to go to the daisk, give remarks for an hour
bus whatever it is. So they they radiate out from
there with the inner, the middle, and the outer perimeters.
And as we know, in which is standard methodology for
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the US Secret Service, the inner and middle perimeters are
typically all US Secret Service personnel sprinkled in with you know,
some local police. And we know for a fact that
the inner and middle perimeter was you know work was
worked by Secret.
Speaker 6 (36:28):
Service and PSB Pennsylvania State Police.
Speaker 8 (36:31):
Therefore, that left the outer perimeter, you know, to more
local law enforcement Butler Beaver County, some of the surrounding jurisdictions.
Speaker 6 (36:40):
But but again to answer.
Speaker 8 (36:41):
Your question, is you go in, you walk the path
of the protectee. You look at any vulnerability three hundred
and sixty degrees up down above below, and even now
you know the tail end of my my, my career,
we would look at anything cyber wise that would affect uh,
potentially the protectee.
Speaker 6 (37:01):
So no stone is unturned.
Speaker 8 (37:03):
And I know the folks who created that plan, and
I don't. I haven't seen the plan, so I can't
talk to it per se. But I know the quality
of work of the agents that you put that plan together,
and I know from twenty plus years of history it
was a solid It had to be a solid plan.
Speaker 6 (37:19):
It just wasn't implemented.
Speaker 8 (37:20):
And again, to use that analogy of sports, you could
have the best game plan on Sunday afternoon in the NFL,
but you got to improvise, overcome, and adapt based on
you know, the opposing team.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
All right, Tim, we only have we only have one
minute to go. And I'm curious about this. At any
point in these scenarios, does protection ever get overruled by
the campaign or somebody close to the asset who says, no, no,
we want to do this instead, And how does the
Secret Service handle that to try and protect them, even
(37:53):
if you know, even if the candidate wants to do
something different.
Speaker 6 (37:58):
No, so Tom, I could. I can attest to my
career and.
Speaker 8 (38:02):
A lot of times that's why they pay us what
they pay us, which quite frankly isn't enough.
Speaker 6 (38:07):
But that's another story.
Speaker 8 (38:09):
We have those hard conversations with our protectees and they
respect us. We say no, sir, this is not a
safe area and we can't do this for whatever reason,
as long as you have a reason.
Speaker 6 (38:21):
Why it's not a safe thing.
Speaker 8 (38:23):
A lot of times, quite honestly, they respect you so
much if you say no, they're not going to do
it based on your experience.
Speaker 6 (38:29):
So it's been done. It's been done one hundred times.
Speaker 8 (38:32):
And again, if the shift knew there was an actual threat,
I know for a fact they would not have put
him on stage, but that was never ever communicated to.
Speaker 6 (38:42):
The shift or the US Secret Service.
Speaker 8 (38:45):
Put it this way, the individual was identified as a
threat and he was neutralized within fifteen seconds.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Yeah, Sam, this is awesome information, man, I appreciate it.
I know you've got a lot going on. Thanks for
giving us your time and explaining it to the viewers.
And I know the seventy nine Annaville that you drove
to practice when you're wrestling coolest car. Coolest car. Yeah,
thanks man.
Speaker 6 (39:07):
Enjoy the rest of the day absolutely anytime.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
It's Tim Rebela from the United States Secret Service, retired
after twenty two years of service. I hope that was interesting.
We'll try to rehash some of it when we come
back with with the boys back in Lexington. You're listening
to Kentucky Sports Radio.
Speaker 6 (39:23):
Night.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Welcome back to Kentucky Sports Radio. That was our guest,
Tim Reblay, who was with the United States Secret Service
for twenty two years, breaking down what's going on on
the Hill today and yesterday. So for those of you
who loved it great and liked that information. For others,
Drew's got to get back Sitting at his feet at KSR.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
I was really listening to that, and uh, you know,
I like hearing from someone whose job is much more
important than mine. You know, we kind of have fake
jobs here on KS I'm wearing what I'm probably gonna
probably what I slept in. Uh So that was really fascinating.
But then a package showed up out of nowhere that
kind of took took us by a prize here at
KOs Bar. We've been shipped from Tyson Foods in Arkansas
(40:05):
Razorback nuggets and Arkansas branded swag that that arrived during
that interview.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
They signed a five star point guard last week. Account.
Speaker 7 (40:14):
You know, I gotta give Tyson Foods a little credit
that when they hired Cal they sent us some Tyson
Chicken nuggets like that day, and then now they've got
these Razorback nuggets out. I mean, it's that's kind of
a boss moves in it to us. We have to
we have to answer it. So we're gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
We're gonna eat the nuggets. So we're gonna throw them
in the trash.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
Oh I'm eating. Oh, I'm They're good.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
I'm saving mine for the night we play and after
the game, after Mark Pope's team cooks them. I'm gonna
cook these nuggets and have a nice little celebration.
Speaker 8 (40:41):
Bill.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
So, Shannon, what what has you most interested like how
you protect an asset as a Secret Service member and
the failure of the Secret Service in Butler, Pennsylvania or
chicken nuggets.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
I was pretty fascinated with the interview, to be honest
with you, But I'm also intrigued by is it a
troll job that they're trying to do?
Speaker 5 (41:02):
Are they just trying to extend.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Like the Olive Branch aka the Razorback Nuggets to Big
Blue Nation by sending these what what what's the goal here?
Speaker 5 (41:10):
It's a troll move. Definitely a troll move.
Speaker 7 (41:12):
Yeah, sending it to us. It arrives during the show.
You know they they don't have any.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Control over the post office delivery.
Speaker 5 (41:21):
Hold on a.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
Second, Hold on a second. Can I just go on
a rant here? This is what's wrong with America? Okay,
this is where we have gone off the rails. We
had a former president nearly assassinated, and we have details
on what went wrong and how it's supposed to go.
And you guys were dialed in on it. And then
Ups showed up yep with Dino nuggets and you're like, oh, look, squirrel, butterfly,
(41:48):
it's gone gone out the door. This is unbelievable, but
totally believable.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
Feels like a declaration of wars.
Speaker 7 (41:58):
Corey Price has tweeted your picture and your friend's picture
from your fraternity days at Missouri.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
By the way, Yeah, by the way, if anybody wants secrets,
don't just cut Corey Price's wife.
Speaker 5 (42:10):
That's it.
Speaker 7 (42:11):
He's a secret service guy and Corey found pictures of
him like in a couple seconds.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
It's unbelievable. We've got more to come. We probably won't
talk national security, I suppose, but we'll talk nuggets and
we want to get Mario's take on how he loves
his TVT team. Not familiar after this
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