November 11, 2025 • 41 mins
Roggin and Rodney on the Dodgers offseason update and then Ben Bolch talks the latest on UCLA football
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, we continue on Fred Rogan, Rodney Pete on five
seventy LA Sports. Coming up next segment, Ben Boltch will
be here, what's going on with UCLA and later in
the hour the NFL coach that allegedly was trolling opposing fans,
which is not a good look if it's true, and
we will get into that. Okay. So now every day
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we want to let you know what's going on with
the Dodgers, and here's the deal. The whispers get louder,
and maybe they should. And it's interesting because we covered
the team every day last year, so we were more
plugged in and David vass is the most plugged in
guy in the world. But because of that stuff, that
kind of catches people's attention around the country. We've known
for a long time, all of a sudden it becomes
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big news. I enjoyed during the World Series when people
were starting to write pieces about the Dodgers and what
they needed, what they didn't need, how they got to
where they were. Yeah, but we knew that three months earlier.
So it's just sort of Rodney, what everybody catches up
right when they start paying attention. So now the rest
of the rest of the world right, everybody else is
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not quite as focused on it as we are here. Yes,
that's why you know six things the Dodgers have to
be worried about. Yeah, we don't know all those things. Thanks,
you're not telling us anything we don't know, but they're
covering other things are all over the country. So now
as we approach free agency, what is the talk now
across baseball? The talk is there's one guy they're going
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to sign one and that guy, of course, is Kyle Tucker.
Now there's a sense that he's going to be in
the four hundred million dollar range. Nice range, nice neighborhood
if can get in there. But that's what it comes
down to. And the then it begs the question, a
question we debate all the time, do you give an
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extended deal to somebody like a Kyle Tucker. Because here's
the other side of it. Let's say they decide not
to go with Kyle Tucker. They're not not going to
do that. Well, you know, you could keep Alex call
out in right field. And then the Dodgers did protect
some folks when they let twenty Gonsolin go and Justin
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Dean go. One of them was a twenty seven year
old by the name of Ward, an outfielder who was
very productive in Triple A. So the feeling is, well,
maybe what you do. Maybe what you do is you
play call and right field and you let him platoon
with Ryan Ward, and you don't go out and sign anybody,
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and then you just see how the season develops. It's
just a thought. Some people are kicking around, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
And you would wait wait for the deadline to see
if if that works out for you. If it doesn't,
then you go get somebody at the deadline. I think
not many teams other than the Dodgers really have that
luxury to be able to do that, right because you
can cover up, you know, when you look up and
you say the Dodgers, oh, you know a lot of
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teams in this you know, couldn't wait for the seasons
to be over with so they can start kind of
putting together their roster for spring training and bringing guys
in and free agency. They just like, Okay, we've got
an eye on three to five the seven guys that
we want to you know, maybe go after. Whereas the Dodgers,
if they didn't do anything right, if they didn't do anything,
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would still be the favorites to win the World Series
next year. With the roster as constructed, they would.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Be the favorites. And so what does that mean?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
So if you're the Dodgers, do you go out and
spend to spend on on certain guys or do you
trust the guys that are on your roster right now
to get you through and just kind of a wait
and see because you got enough veterans, you got enough
stars on this team that can win you a lot
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of games leading up to July, and you go from there,
and if there's a weakness or there's something that's lacking,
then you address it in July. Kind of the opposite
of what they did this past year when they went
out and said, we're not gonna wait for July. We're
gonna go get pitching. We're gonna stockpile our pitching and
especially starting pitching, and we're gonna go forward so we
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don't have to worry about pitching come July.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Or October.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
And it turns out that they're starting pitching and the
way they handled the starting pitching worked beautifully for the Dodgers.
Now the bullpen struggled and and so it's season to season.
You don't know how that's gonna go, but I think
if there's a guy, like one guy out there, and
there's one need for the Dodgers, it is that that
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right fielder, that outfielder right because I think if you
go and look at next year and how it shapes up,
it's pretty safe to say that Andy Paez has kind
of solidified himself in centerfield. When you say, oh, yeah, yeah,
And then you've got Tao who is better suited at
left field than right field.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
We saw his struggles in right field. It's a bigger area.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
The arm has to be a lot stronger, you have
to be able to move a little bit better. In
right field. Left field is a little bit of an
easier position to play, and so you can move him
to left field. Now that leaves right field open for
a guy. And do you really need a guy or
can you get away with like you said, Alex call
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or some other guys you got coming up. Ryan Ward
is the guy from Triple A that had a pretty
good year that they brought up to the forty man.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Can you get away with utilizing those guys to start
the season or do you just go for it?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
And my sense is the Dodgers. The way they've been
over the last five years has been very, very aggressive,
and so I see them very much into the Kyle
Tucker sweepstakes.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
You do, I do? I do.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I just think that the winning back to back only
made them hungrier. And the way the mentality of the
organization to front office the players as well, is this
is our time, this is our time, and we gotta
we gotta put our foot on everybody else's throat and
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not rest on it because we got an opportunity not
to put together, you know, back to back, but a
three peete and more and beyond because we got still
have so many guys that are still in their prime.
Let's go for it as long as we can. And
you never know when it's going to end. You know,
guys obviously get older, but you never know when it's
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going to end. It feels like the core of this
team is still in their prime, so why not go
for it.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Here's the thing, and I think David Vassay said it
to us the last time he was on. You have
to remember they're older now. Now in real life, they're
not old guys thirty five years old that's not old.
But in baseball yeah, you're a little older. And if
you're in your thirties, you're young. Unless you've been playing
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baseball ten years, then you're not so young. And a
long season is harder to play through as you get older.
You're not twenty seven years old anymore. You're gonna do it.
You're a pro, you're one of the best at the position.
Still it requires more. And I was thinking, Rodney, whatever
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they do, however, they do it just to keep guys,
because even when you're looking at pitchers and we know
what happened during the regular season the postseason, everybody was fine.
But even during the regular season position players, maybe guys
shouldn't play as much. I'm not saying take four days
in a row off, but maybe you take a couple
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of days off a week just so you will be fresher.
If that makes sense when you get to the playoffs.
And if that's the case, I don't know if you
need to go out and sign at a ten year deal.
I think you need guys that can sit in and
help out keep everybody fresh and sharp as we move
through the season. Does that make any sense.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, it's almost the mentality that they have with their pitchers,
right you know, we know now that several of their
pitchers were healthy enough to pitch in August, in September
and really go, but yet they held them back, held
their pitch count back, including Otani Blake Snell. They brought
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him along slowly and they held guys back just to
make sure that they were good to go in October.
And maybe that's a similar way that their you know,
their mentality may shift to positioning players as well. Hey
we're not going to play, you know, And Freddy's the
one that you gotta fight with because he wants to
play every day. But this is a time Freddy's in
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his mid thirty so now it's Freddie. Hey, Freddie, we
can't have you playing one hundred and fifty games. We
need you to play one hundred and ten and so
you're fresh come September October. Mookie shortstop is a demanding position.
We don't need you to play one hundred and sixty games.
We need you to play one hundred and twenty games,
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and we'll take some real time off. And maybe that
philosophy applies to the position players like it did with
the pitchers this past season. So yeah, it may be
the case, but still if there's a guy out there
that feels a need, then they're gonna make a run
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at him. And that's why I feel like they're gonna
make a run at Kyle Tucker because it's not like,
you know, other positions like infield, they're set. They've got
infielders and they got backup infielders, and I'd be shocked
if they don't let miggey Roe come back for a
swan song and allow him to finish as a Dodger
and we keep going. But infield wise, with Tommy Edmunds,
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you got Kim, you got you know, obviously Munsey and
you got Key k can play the infield. Mookie and
Freddie obviously they're they're pretty much set in the infield.
Outfield where they were counting on Conforto that did not
come through, Uh, they have to replace that. And I
think there's if there's one position that is if you
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can call it anything as a need for the Dodgers,
because they really don't need.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
But if there's a position that they need, it's an
outfielder and specifically a right fielder, which Kyle Tucker plays well.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Yeah as a superstar. Alex call plays the outfield too. Yes,
you know, a superstar, but he plays the outfield and
it's pretty good. Yes, he's not great, yes, but he's
pretty good and he will play it, will get his
share of playing and rotating because he's played left field
and he's played right field and he's very solid.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
But you've got a chance to to having an even
more dominant team than you had this past year because
the narrative all year long was what they're not hitting.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
They're not hitting.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
So to add another bat, especially a left handed bat
in that lineup, as it's kind.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Of a dangling something that is very attractive to you.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yeah, they are to win the World Series again.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I don't know about a ten year deal, but but
you know, maybe it's a six year deal with Kyle Tucker.
I don't know how old college. I think he's like thirty.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Right yeah, around there. But yeah, no, no gigantic long
term deal. I'm just telling you that don't need don't
need to And can we say this right now and
I said it at the beginning of last season. The
recently completed season, win the division. That's great, win the division.
But aside from that, let's not worry about the regular
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season record. Let's just win the division and get to
the playoffs. Last year was a blueprint example of why
that is the key. Just get to the playoffs. That's
all you got to do. That's that's the song you
were singing. Freddy I said, it doesn't matter how many
games you win.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
It doesn't matter how many games you win, but you
do not want to play and we set it at nauseum.
You do not want to play in that three game
wild card. That was a problem. That was a problem.
That was a problem. You do not want to play
in that game. And so when it comes to number
of wins, and course, winning the division is key because
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you you know, they they had they had that home
field against the against the Cincinnati Reds. Not not saying
that they would have beat them in Cincinnati because they
would have too, but it was comforting to know that
you won a division. So you get that, you get
that series at home, and so that was a that
was a kind of a deal down to stretch.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
That we kept our eye on is make sure that you.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Are finish above the Phillies so you don't have to
play that wild card. But the Dodgers did and got
away with it. But you don't want to use that
as a steady diet. Yes, winning one hundred and fifteen
games that's not important. Winning the division and being at
least the second seed, that's kind of important.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Do you think do you think the fans in Cincinnati
are as happy for their season as Dodger fans are
for their season. Now, of course the Rets didn't win
the World Series, but they made the playoffs and they
got bam. I mean, they got steamrolled. Then they should have.
But do you think in Cincinnati people are going, you
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know what, that was a hell of a year for
the boys, A hell of a year, that's what it's about. No,
I don't think they are.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
I think they feel like they snuck in and you know,
they weren't on the same power as the Dodgers and
knew it was a furgun conclusion that they would lose.
I think Cincinnati. Because of Cincinnati, they still have a
history of some great baseball teams, and I know it's
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not recent, but they still associate the Reds with big
Red Machine winning titles being in the mix. So I
don't think they're jumping up and down saying we had
a great season.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
No, I don't.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
I think they look at it as as Okay, let's
build on this now. Now we've got a taste of it.
Now we've got to get to the next level. I
think that's the way they're looking at it more is Hey,
everybody happy, everybody glad. That's glad.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Hand Plus, they got a manager that's been there and
been to the mountaintop as well in Terry Francona.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
So he's not gonna allow them to go. Hey, we did,
we had a great year.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Let's just uh, let's have a good rink training and
get back to the same spot we were allowed to.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
No, he's not gonna let that happen. Is UCLA moving
to Sofi Stadium? Raise your hand if you'd like them
to my hands up in any regard. Ben Oh, Rodney's
up too good? Okay, Ben Boltch will join us next.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
No, Nick, yeah, m m m m yes it is.
Come on, Rodney p Fred Rogan on a Tuesday feeling it.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Let's go Freddy Okay, Now it is a pleasure. I've
been looking forward to talking to Ben all day, Ben
Bulch at the La Times. Ben, thank you for joining
us today.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Thank you for having me I with an introduction like that,
I need to come on more often.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yes you do, Yes, you do. And I think a
lot of what's going on here is your fault. A
lot of it is your fault. You've been ahead of
this story, you've been writing about it for a while.
So now we'll point the finger at you, except your responsibility,
wear it and tell us what the hell is going
on with UCLA.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Well, that's a very open end question, Fred, But I
think you're referring to the Rose Bowl versus Sofi debate.
I guess is one way to put it right. So
you know, in the last few weeks, it's been publicly
revealed that UCLA is looking to move its home football
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operations to Sofi Stadium as soon as next season, and
obviously the Rose Bowl is not in favor of that
arrangement on any level. They've made, you know, hundreds of
millions of dollars in investments improvements. UCLA has a lease
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that runs through the twenty forty three season. There's a
contract between the parties with no buyout or opt out clause.
So you know, the Rose Bowls perspective is, you guys
made this deal, you knew what it was about. You're
locked in, and UCLA is apparently saying, you know, we're
going to assess all options now. They did put out
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a statement saying that you know, they publicly have not
decided as recently as this weekend. I circled back to
some of my people in the athletic Department was told
that even though you know, it looks like they're leaning
towards so far, no final decision has been made. So
but the bottom line is that the Rose bulls trying
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to put a stop to this. They filed legal paperwork
yesterday asking for our temporary restraining order preliminary injunction barring
UCLA from going ahead and making that move until the
legal dispute is fully resolved. So there's a court date
tomorrow in La Superior Court at eight thirty am. I
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will be there and we will find out, you know,
if what the late is in this matter.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Ben, just because of what you just mentioned, there's a
contract through twenty forty three with the Rose Bowl, and
it feels it's pretty cut and dry that it's going
to be difficult for UCLA to get out of that deal,
given the fact that the Rose Bowl has put significant
dollars in improvements with the Rose Bowl. How how I
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mean we're at twenty twenty five. How in the world
do they does UCLA get around the agreement in the
contract that was stated. Are they claiming that there the
Rose Bowl didn't fulfill some of their obligations.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Well, I don't think they, you know, I don't think
last I looked you so it's not file a formal
response to the to the paperwork. I'll have to, you know,
check and see if that's been updated. But I don't
think necessarily that's the case. I think that they're just
saying for their long term economic viability as an athletic department,
they need to make the snood. So it seems clear
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to me that they've done some preliminary calculations in their head.
I think they understand that they are going to have
to make a very very sizeable payout to the Rose
Ball as part of this, and I think their their
position is going to be, Hey, look, people break leases
all the time. Uh, you know, we're gonna we're gonna
do this. We're gonna move to so far. Yes, we
understand we're gonna have to cut a check, but we've
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done the math and we think it's going to work out,
you know, for our in our favor long term because
you know, the one thing I haven't mentioned yet, as
part of their lease agreement with the Rose Ball, UCLA
does not get U sweet sales, premium cricket sales revenue,
and UH sponsorship revenue. So uh, there's a lot of
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money and opportunity cost that they're losing every year by
playing in the Rose Bowl. Now, on the flip side,
you could say, well, there's a reason for that because
the Rose Bowl is putting all the money into the
stadium improvements, right, and they have all these bonds and
all these long term commitments they've made. So that's where
it's going to be interesting. Legally, I think to see,
you know, the legal people I've talked to think it's
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very unlikely that you say, would be compelled to stay
at the Rose Bull long term. But you know, if
they are able to get out of the contract, it's
a question of how big is the check, right, and
I think it could be just very considerable.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
What's the definition of that.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
I think we're too I mean, I'm not a legal
scholar by any means, but I mean I think we're
talking clearly in the I would say, in the hundreds
of millions would be my best guest.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Okay, yeah, that is substantial. I thought, you go, twenty
million bucks. Okay, we'll call the day, we'll write a check.
No hundreds of millions here. Then you just mentioned something,
so I thought about this the other day. They don't
get the sweet revenue and there are a number of
things they don't get at the Rose Bowl. Could this
be UCLA basically negotiating in public, saying or letting it leak,
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we don't get these things there, and the Rose bull
comes back and says, you know what, we thought about it.
Maybe we're going to change the terms of your lease
and you will get these things here. Do you think
UCLA could be doing that?
Speaker 4 (21:13):
I think it's possible. I mean, I do think there's
a scenario on which both parties say, hey, look, we
want to work this out. We want what's best for
both parties long term. We understand, we respect the partnership
that UCLA's bent the Rose ball for more than forty years.
You come and do this and we'll commit to staying.
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I think there is a world in which that happens.
I don't know the likelihood of it, but I think
it would make sense. And you know, I did a
very unscientific poll as part of my weekly newsletter. We
had more than a thousand people vote in this poll,
and almost eighty percent of them wanted to stay at
the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
So I think they're wrong. May wrong, They're wrong, They
are wrong.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Who what's your.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Because it's idiotic man to drive from Westwood to the
Rose Bowl and they're never even gonna come close to
filling that thing. Now, I'm not saying they'll feel so fine,
don't get me wrong, but just from a logistical standpoint,
it's closer.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
It's well, Fred, it's still My point is it's still
a commute on a freeway and uh, you know, if
there's an event at either the Forum or into a dome,
that traffic is not fun. And I just don't think
that it's I mean, if you're going to make a
commitment to go to a college football game, it's gonna
be an all day commitment regardless. I mean, what, you know,
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what's an extra ten miles? Uh, you know, regardless of
of uh you know what what the distance is. I
just don't think it's that big of a deal to me.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Then you love the Rose Bull everything, you love the
Rose Bull.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
That obvious.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Uh, it is obvious, you be.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
I'll defend you. I'll defend you. It's an easy place
to love Ben. It really is.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
It's the most iconic stadium in the country. You know,
I grew up on the East Coast. I'm from North Carolina.
I went to school at Northwestern. I've covered schools and
BEN to probably almost every major stadium in the country.
And I will say unequivocally, I think the Rose Bull
is the most beautiful venue out there. I think it
gives UCLA an unmistakable identity. I think people love going
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there in tailgating and seeing the mountains at sunset. I
just don't think there's anything like it. And I think
it would be a mistake to get that in just
for some extra money.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
M hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
But but I get where Friend's coming from from a
practical standpoint, and from as we go forward, the making
the trek, and I think a part of the lack
of attendance is making that trek to the Rose Bowl
and it's inconvenience.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Well, why do you think, let me let me interrupt
you there, it's so fi In a Bowl game two
years ago, you know what the attendance was. It was
thirty two thousand, and that's less than their averaging this
year at the Rose Bowl, where they're on pace for
an all time low. So you can't convince me that
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just by moving there is going to solve the attendance problem,
because I don't think that's true.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
All right, let me ask you this. So, when they're
out recruiting players, if they say, okay, where you play.
We played the Rose Bowl or we play at Sofi Stadium,
what do you think means more to a recruit, if
at all.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
It's a great question. I tend to answer that this
week because I'm actually going to reach out to a
bunch of their committed recruits to ask them. I don't
know the answer, but my suspicion is that the young
players would probably be more in favor of Sofi than
the Rose Bowl. I mean, they're not. They don't know
the history and tradition of the Rose Bowl as much
as you know the older fans, and I think they
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like the bells and whistles of an NFL stadium. So
I do think that that could be, you know, something
in the quiver of the Sofi if you're looking at,
you know, reasons to go there. I do think that
could be a good thing.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yeah, hey Ben, Why do you think over the years
that they and I know I get the appeal of
the Rose Bowl and the love for the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
I happen to think the setting of the Rose Bowl
is like no other.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
I really do.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
But why do you think that they have not been
able to get their own stadium on campus surrounding that
around Westwood? I know there's a lot of politics involved,
but it feels like, you know, every five ten years
there was talk about getting an on campus stadium, or
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getting the stadium and redoing that where Jackie Robinson Baseball
Stadium something around are close to Westwood. Why do you
think that's never happened? Is it politics only or is
it money?
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Why?
Speaker 4 (26:01):
I think it's a bunch of factors. You know, I
wrote about this a couple of years ago. You know,
the regents they had a chance in the sixties to
do that, and because of a lot of political interests
involving homeowners associations in the in the bel Air Westwood area,
they were basically shot down. And so the agreement was
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we're going to do Drake Stadium, which is there on
campus track Stadium, and we will not build a football stadium.
In fact, I think there's language prohibiting, you know, anything
bigger than what's on the footprint of what their current
track stadium is. And now in the years since, they've
built underground parking around that area, they've got you know,
innermural fields, they've got dorms. So I think the footprint
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is too established right now to do anything to build,
you know, a forty fifty thousand of seat stadium on campus.
And I think that those same political forces that were
in play back in the sixties would would come back
and be are to budge again. And you know, the
regent said basically way in and said we're not going
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to do it on campus stadium. So you know, you
never say never, right, I mean these are on present times.
We've seen change in ways that I never thought I
would before, so you never rule it out. But I
do think there's a lot of factors and forces that
would still be against it today.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Hey, does UCLA still have to pay call that bag money?
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Yeah? I think or was it three years ten million
per year? Yeah, I think we're in year I've lost track.
I think we're in year two of that. So funny enough,
they're going to play each other in football next season
and then basketball later this month, so you know, the
rivalry is still alive. There'll be some good natured back
and forth about calimony, I'm sure, But yeah, what an
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interesting situation, right Ben, who's.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
A who becomes the head coach at UCLA? Are they
going to go big?
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Are they going to higher with them with Skipper or
new Heiseel or what happens with the football program I'm
going forward?
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Yeah, it's a million dollar question, right. You know, it's
I think it's hard to say, but you know, I'm here.
I'm starting to hear some names kind of emerging. I
can't really share them right now, and I know that
it's a very fluid situation, but the names I'm hearing
are encouraging. I think that they're going to go more
on the up and coming uh trajectory as opposed to
like the already like super established trajectory. And and you know,
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some people might say, well, why wouldn't you get somebody
who's established, But if I'm UCLA, I want somebody who's
going to come in and make it their own and
want to stay. And I think some of the people
they're targeting really could do that, really build this thing up,
make it their own, and and and kind of you know,
sustain it. So, you know, I I think I've talked
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to you guys before about their selection of search committee
with Bob Myers, who have a ton of respect for
from the Warriors, and Adam Peters, Washington Commander's general manager.
I think they've got some really smart people who are
going to be making this decision, and I think they'll ultimately,
you know, make a good one. Now, I will say
there's nine Power four jobs open I think at last count,
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so they're going to face stiff competition, but you know,
I think they can probably get somebody who's going to
satisfy a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
All Right, I say the name Martin Jarmond, And you
say to me.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
What I would say? That's too vague of a question. Okay,
where do you want to go with it?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
I say the name Martin Jarmond and his standing at
this time.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
In regards to the fan base or the university administration.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
University administration, Well, they've.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Clearly signaled that they're backing him, right, I mean they've
I've inquired about that. I've asked a chancellor. Frank's office
to sit down and talk about his stewardship of the
football program, and we've gotten multiple statements basically backing him
and saying he's going to lead the search. We support
him going forward. I saw him with Chancellor Frank at
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the football game against Nebraska last weekend. You know, they
were putting arms around each other posing for photos. So
I think, you know, it's it's clear that they're in
lockstep going forward right now.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah, And as I think you think people focus too
much on on just football, because when you look at
the totality of UCLA athletics, it's been pretty successful. You know,
obviously football is a high profile and basketball as well,
but the other sports have been pretty good, right.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Ben, Well, Yeah, I think the counter argument to that, though,
is that football drives every athletic department, and UCLA's Olympic
sports have self sustained for decades and decades no matter
who the athletic department director is, and we've seen that,
you know, continue over and over again. So you know,
I'm not going to say he doesn't deserve any credit,
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but that that kind of runs itself. So you got
to get football right. And you know, my point that
I've made is that you know, didn't fire Chip Kelly
when it was clear that that was probably the move
to make, and then did this kind of quick hiring
of de Shaun Foster that clearly didn't work out when
he was on nobody else's radars a head coach. So
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we'll see what happens going forward, but you know there's
a lot of skepticism among the fan base for sure.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
All Right, So Ben, tomorrow morning we'll find out more
about the SOFI situation.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Yes, Twitter timeline if you don't follow me already, it's
at lat b Bulch and I will be tweeting out
live updates.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Beautiful. Thanks for coming on, really appreciate it. Love when
you're on the show.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
All right, gentlemen, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Our good friend Ben Bulch of the La Times. All Right,
Adam will jump in here in the next segment as well.
Do we have a coach trolling opposing fans?
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Come on, yeah, on a beautiful Tuesday, Rodney Pete, Fred Rogan,
many thanks to Ben Boltch from the La Times, who's
always dialed in when it comes to U C l A.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Everything.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
He was very candid Fred about Rose Bowl and how
he felt about the Rose Bowl. Oh he he loved
the rose No, he loves it, and and I get it.
I understand why people love the Rose Bowl. The setting
and when things are good, it's great. It's just times
like this and I think people want to deny. And
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he said something like, we're going to be on the
freeway for a little bit anyway, So what's another ten miles?
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Well, no, bed actually does matter. No bad. Look, look you.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Get to Sofi just a straight shot down to four
five as opposed to you know, getting on the one
on one to the one thirty four to the one
ten to the whatever to whatever to get to the
to take that bottleneck to get into the Rose Bowl,
and then getting out of the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Yeah, that's the difference. Okay, Look, Ben is he's great.
He is great covering UCLA. He truly is. He is
plugged in, he breaks stories, he's always on top of it.
I mean really he has. He has certainly earned a
name for himself doing that in this market, and that's
really hard to do and Ben has done it. He's
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that good. But if you don't think Ben is rooting
for the Rose Bowl, you got another thing coming. I
read it. I read it, and I chuckle because you
can tell. And there's nothing wrong with that. There is
nothing wrong with being passionate about that. But Ben, come on,
schlump into the Rose Bowl or soulfide, please please. We
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know that you can't tell Gate as much. No, he's
got his reasons. Yeah, he's got his reasons. Yeah. But
you know, we'll find out tomorrow. That'll be interesting and
he's gonna be tweeting in the morning, so everybody be
on that. I'll be watching tomorrow morning to see what happened. Two.
All right, Adam, are you there?
Speaker 5 (34:11):
I am here, Fred, right.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Go ahead with your NFL trolling story.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
What do you mean I send it to you, Fred,
Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
This is Adam's got an NFL coaching trolling story.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
It's pretty good though.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
I don't know if you guys saw over the weekend,
but the Miami Dolphins actually beat the Buffalo Bills to
get their third win. They had lost seven straight to
their division rival, so maybe they were doing a little
bit of celebrating after winning thirty to thirteen, and the
head coach, Mike McDaniel may or may not have been
doing some trolling near a bar that was populated by
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Buffalo bills fans in Miami called the Elbow Room. I
guess it's a hotspot for visiting Bills fans, and video
and pictures came out of what looks to be Mike
McDaniel in his hoodie with him his aviator glasses on
driving by. Don't know if he was yelling something, just
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turning the corner, sticking his arm out the window, making
sure everybody got a real good look at who that
could be. He was asked about it, though, and he's claiming,
I live in that area. Everybody knows that. But AI
is real. That's what I got for you. So it's
not a hard denial it sir, seems like it probably
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was him doing it, maybe taking a victory lap around
the bar after they beat the bills. But yeah, it's
just hilarious. A guy who was a dead man walking basically,
who he thought would be fired by now and somehow
is still surviving right now in Miami, and you could
say thriving because of the trolling.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
I mean, what AI is real. It is real.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
But at the same time, could you he's such a
how do I put this? He's a quirky weirdos.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
But he's he's a he's a subtle gangster. I should say,
I want to be gangster, and he's you know, the
demeanor doesn't match what I think his fire inside is
and what he's capable of doing, and so it doesn't shock.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Me that he would actually be doing this.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
Put it that way, you're saying he's like Malibu's most
wanted with Jamie a little bit.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
I could see that. I could see that.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
I don't know if he had like stunt one on
one by g unit playing while he was riding by
the splashy car, but this is totally something he would do.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Yeah, but you know what I mean. Okay, he's an
NFL coach. He's an NFL coach. Let's say he really
did it. Let's say that that that's true, all right, Adam,
you seem to believe it, correct.
Speaker 5 (36:51):
I believe it more so because it's it's not a
hard denial. He's basically wanting to leave this story out there.
Speaker 6 (36:59):
Oh you know, it's a I've seen the video. You've
seen the video.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
It sure looks like him.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Okay, if he did that, he should be fired immediately.
Speaker 6 (37:07):
Come on, Fred, No.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
That's more important than him actually getting a victory over Buffalo.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
No, no, no. My point is, you don't live in the
head coach of an NFL team to go and troll
fans from the other team. You do not expect that
he's the head coach of the football team. I don't
know if you even expect a college coach to do that.
Speaker 6 (37:30):
Expect the unexpected.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
With Mike McDaniel, I hear you they're having a rough year.
Speaker 6 (37:35):
They're having around two years.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
I'm going to do a quick drive by my style. Yeah,
all right, Rodney. If you if you're in Philadelphia and
Ray Rhoades did that, what would you think.
Speaker 6 (37:50):
He's swearing out the driver's side window.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
See Ray Roads were to do that, it would be
no question it would be whether it was AI or not, because.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
You would know it was Ray Rhodes and he would
let you.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Know it's me Ray Rose, not AI, and f you mother,
and he would let you know.
Speaker 6 (38:10):
Hey, I can't swear like this.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
You mu exactly exactly with McDaniel.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
You know the fact that he even said, I live
in the area, I go by there all the time.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
I drive by it all the time.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
He's leaving it out there, which is he didn't emphatically
said nope, it's not me. I A look, it's it's
pretty cool. Whatever he could have said. You know, I
thought it was funny. I thought it was interesting, but
definitely not me. He didn't say that. He said, well,
you know, I live in the area, I know the place.
Or no, I'm going to say it's not him.
Speaker 6 (38:45):
You're saying it's not him.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
I think he's messing with people.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
Now, Okay, hold on, there's another part to this story,
Fred oh Oh. His own players have turned on him,
apparently even more so even guys who aren't on the
field right now. Tyreek Hill went on on social media
and said, quote, I see coach back on his petty dogs.
Speaker 6 (39:06):
I love it.
Speaker 5 (39:09):
They may have just outed him if there was any
doubt before. It sure seems like that's part of his character.
Because Tyreek Hill is saying that.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I guess that was a bad call.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
Yeah it was Mike McDaniel.
Speaker 6 (39:24):
There's no way to get around that.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
But if you only have three wins, I guess you
got to celebrate when you can.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
All right, do you think he well he survived the season?
Speaker 5 (39:34):
At him they said he would from ownership at this point.
Why not, I guess I don't think this is what's
gonna get him fired or push things over the edge.
They've had flashes and glimpses to his plato.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
They gotta get on a roll or something for him,
not too.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
It's it's it's because it's they just gave two of
the big contract right, and they gave it in a
large part because McDaniel believed in him. And but are
they going to continue if they only get two or
three more wins this season, continue with the same narrative.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
I don't know if they do.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
I'll tell you this, if they're going to fire him,
they got the Commanders coming up this week. They're in
shambles if they lose that game, and that's overseas.
Speaker 6 (40:23):
I don't know if Germany.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
No.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
I think it's in Spain or Portugal, as the NFL
is doing their international tour here.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
I think it's in Madrid. Madrid.
Speaker 6 (40:31):
Their bye comes after that.
Speaker 5 (40:33):
I think if they lose to the Commanders, that could
be it, because then you fire a head coach, have
an interim in there to get settled.
Speaker 6 (40:41):
As there's a bye, that might be the spot to
do it. So maybe this was him.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
You know, getting his last hurrahs in because this could
be the end.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Could they leave him on the tarmac, oh, Freddy, Layne Kiffin, Yeah,
give them Layne Kiffin, stop it. Leave him at the time, Madrid,
not in Madrid, read, I.
Speaker 6 (41:01):
Mean that's dirty.
Speaker 5 (41:02):
You leave them overseas across the pond like that. Lane
Kippen was an Arizona, right, he ain't that far away?
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Yeah dirty, Okay, plane's leaving. But Mike, why don't you
step over here?
Speaker 6 (41:16):
It's not going Also, we shredded your passport.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Good luck, enjoy, enjoy Madrid? All right, Adam, thank you.
Vinnie bon Signor will join us when we come back,
and uh later on in the hour. We'll get you
caught up on everything when it's lit.
Okay, we continue on Fred Rogan, Rodney Pete on five
seventy LA Sports. Coming up next segment, Ben Boltch will
be here, what's going on with UCLA and later in
the hour the NFL coach that allegedly was trolling opposing fans,
which is not a good look if it's true, and
we will get into that. Okay. So now every day
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we want to let you know what's going on with
the Dodgers, and here's the deal. The whispers get louder,
and maybe they should. And it's interesting because we covered
the team every day last year, so we were more
plugged in and David vass is the most plugged in
guy in the world. But because of that stuff, that
kind of catches people's attention around the country. We've known
for a long time, all of a sudden it becomes
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big news. I enjoyed during the World Series when people
were starting to write pieces about the Dodgers and what
they needed, what they didn't need, how they got to
where they were. Yeah, but we knew that three months earlier.
So it's just sort of Rodney, what everybody catches up
right when they start paying attention. So now the rest
of the rest of the world right, everybody else is
(01:06):
not quite as focused on it as we are here. Yes,
that's why you know six things the Dodgers have to
be worried about. Yeah, we don't know all those things. Thanks,
you're not telling us anything we don't know, but they're
covering other things are all over the country. So now
as we approach free agency, what is the talk now
across baseball? The talk is there's one guy they're going
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to sign one and that guy, of course, is Kyle Tucker.
Now there's a sense that he's going to be in
the four hundred million dollar range. Nice range, nice neighborhood
if can get in there. But that's what it comes
down to. And the then it begs the question, a
question we debate all the time, do you give an
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extended deal to somebody like a Kyle Tucker. Because here's
the other side of it. Let's say they decide not
to go with Kyle Tucker. They're not not going to
do that. Well, you know, you could keep Alex call
out in right field. And then the Dodgers did protect
some folks when they let twenty Gonsolin go and Justin
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Dean go. One of them was a twenty seven year
old by the name of Ward, an outfielder who was
very productive in Triple A. So the feeling is, well,
maybe what you do. Maybe what you do is you
play call and right field and you let him platoon
with Ryan Ward, and you don't go out and sign anybody,
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and then you just see how the season develops. It's
just a thought. Some people are kicking around, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
And you would wait wait for the deadline to see
if if that works out for you. If it doesn't,
then you go get somebody at the deadline. I think
not many teams other than the Dodgers really have that
luxury to be able to do that, right because you
can cover up, you know, when you look up and
you say the Dodgers, oh, you know a lot of
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teams in this you know, couldn't wait for the seasons
to be over with so they can start kind of
putting together their roster for spring training and bringing guys
in and free agency. They just like, Okay, we've got
an eye on three to five the seven guys that
we want to you know, maybe go after. Whereas the Dodgers,
if they didn't do anything right, if they didn't do anything,
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would still be the favorites to win the World Series
next year. With the roster as constructed, they would.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Be the favorites. And so what does that mean?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
So if you're the Dodgers, do you go out and
spend to spend on on certain guys or do you
trust the guys that are on your roster right now
to get you through and just kind of a wait
and see because you got enough veterans, you got enough
stars on this team that can win you a lot
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of games leading up to July, and you go from there,
and if there's a weakness or there's something that's lacking,
then you address it in July. Kind of the opposite
of what they did this past year when they went
out and said, we're not gonna wait for July. We're
gonna go get pitching. We're gonna stockpile our pitching and
especially starting pitching, and we're gonna go forward so we
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don't have to worry about pitching come July.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Or October.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
And it turns out that they're starting pitching and the
way they handled the starting pitching worked beautifully for the Dodgers.
Now the bullpen struggled and and so it's season to season.
You don't know how that's gonna go, but I think
if there's a guy, like one guy out there, and
there's one need for the Dodgers, it is that that
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right fielder, that outfielder right because I think if you
go and look at next year and how it shapes up,
it's pretty safe to say that Andy Paez has kind
of solidified himself in centerfield. When you say, oh, yeah, yeah,
And then you've got Tao who is better suited at
left field than right field.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
We saw his struggles in right field. It's a bigger area.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
The arm has to be a lot stronger, you have
to be able to move a little bit better. In
right field. Left field is a little bit of an
easier position to play, and so you can move him
to left field. Now that leaves right field open for
a guy. And do you really need a guy or
can you get away with like you said, Alex call
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or some other guys you got coming up. Ryan Ward
is the guy from Triple A that had a pretty
good year that they brought up to the forty man.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Can you get away with utilizing those guys to start
the season or do you just go for it?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
And my sense is the Dodgers. The way they've been
over the last five years has been very, very aggressive,
and so I see them very much into the Kyle
Tucker sweepstakes.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
You do, I do? I do.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I just think that the winning back to back only
made them hungrier. And the way the mentality of the
organization to front office the players as well, is this
is our time, this is our time, and we gotta
we gotta put our foot on everybody else's throat and
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not rest on it because we got an opportunity not
to put together, you know, back to back, but a
three peete and more and beyond because we got still
have so many guys that are still in their prime.
Let's go for it as long as we can. And
you never know when it's going to end. You know,
guys obviously get older, but you never know when it's
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going to end. It feels like the core of this
team is still in their prime, so why not go
for it.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Here's the thing, and I think David Vassay said it
to us the last time he was on. You have
to remember they're older now. Now in real life, they're
not old guys thirty five years old that's not old.
But in baseball yeah, you're a little older. And if
you're in your thirties, you're young. Unless you've been playing
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baseball ten years, then you're not so young. And a
long season is harder to play through as you get older.
You're not twenty seven years old anymore. You're gonna do it.
You're a pro, you're one of the best at the position.
Still it requires more. And I was thinking, Rodney, whatever
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they do, however, they do it just to keep guys,
because even when you're looking at pitchers and we know
what happened during the regular season the postseason, everybody was fine.
But even during the regular season position players, maybe guys
shouldn't play as much. I'm not saying take four days
in a row off, but maybe you take a couple
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of days off a week just so you will be fresher.
If that makes sense when you get to the playoffs.
And if that's the case, I don't know if you
need to go out and sign at a ten year deal.
I think you need guys that can sit in and
help out keep everybody fresh and sharp as we move
through the season. Does that make any sense.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, it's almost the mentality that they have with their pitchers,
right you know, we know now that several of their
pitchers were healthy enough to pitch in August, in September
and really go, but yet they held them back, held
their pitch count back, including Otani Blake Snell. They brought
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him along slowly and they held guys back just to
make sure that they were good to go in October.
And maybe that's a similar way that their you know,
their mentality may shift to positioning players as well. Hey
we're not going to play, you know, And Freddy's the
one that you gotta fight with because he wants to
play every day. But this is a time Freddy's in
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his mid thirty so now it's Freddie. Hey, Freddie, we
can't have you playing one hundred and fifty games. We
need you to play one hundred and ten and so
you're fresh come September October. Mookie shortstop is a demanding position.
We don't need you to play one hundred and sixty games.
We need you to play one hundred and twenty games,
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and we'll take some real time off. And maybe that
philosophy applies to the position players like it did with
the pitchers this past season. So yeah, it may be
the case, but still if there's a guy out there
that feels a need, then they're gonna make a run
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at him. And that's why I feel like they're gonna
make a run at Kyle Tucker because it's not like,
you know, other positions like infield, they're set. They've got
infielders and they got backup infielders, and I'd be shocked
if they don't let miggey Roe come back for a
swan song and allow him to finish as a Dodger
and we keep going. But infield wise, with Tommy Edmunds,
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you got Kim, you got you know, obviously Munsey and
you got Key k can play the infield. Mookie and
Freddie obviously they're they're pretty much set in the infield.
Outfield where they were counting on Conforto that did not
come through, Uh, they have to replace that. And I
think there's if there's one position that is if you
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can call it anything as a need for the Dodgers,
because they really don't need.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
But if there's a position that they need, it's an
outfielder and specifically a right fielder, which Kyle Tucker plays well.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Yeah as a superstar. Alex call plays the outfield too. Yes,
you know, a superstar, but he plays the outfield and
it's pretty good. Yes, he's not great, yes, but he's
pretty good and he will play it, will get his
share of playing and rotating because he's played left field
and he's played right field and he's very solid.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
But you've got a chance to to having an even
more dominant team than you had this past year because
the narrative all year long was what they're not hitting.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
They're not hitting.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
So to add another bat, especially a left handed bat
in that lineup, as it's kind.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Of a dangling something that is very attractive to you.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yeah, they are to win the World Series again.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I don't know about a ten year deal, but but
you know, maybe it's a six year deal with Kyle Tucker.
I don't know how old college. I think he's like thirty.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Right yeah, around there. But yeah, no, no gigantic long
term deal. I'm just telling you that don't need don't
need to And can we say this right now and
I said it at the beginning of last season. The
recently completed season, win the division. That's great, win the division.
But aside from that, let's not worry about the regular
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season record. Let's just win the division and get to
the playoffs. Last year was a blueprint example of why
that is the key. Just get to the playoffs. That's
all you got to do. That's that's the song you
were singing. Freddy I said, it doesn't matter how many
games you win.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
It doesn't matter how many games you win, but you
do not want to play and we set it at nauseum.
You do not want to play in that three game
wild card. That was a problem. That was a problem.
That was a problem. You do not want to play
in that game. And so when it comes to number
of wins, and course, winning the division is key because
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you you know, they they had they had that home
field against the against the Cincinnati Reds. Not not saying
that they would have beat them in Cincinnati because they
would have too, but it was comforting to know that
you won a division. So you get that, you get
that series at home, and so that was a that
was a kind of a deal down to stretch.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
That we kept our eye on is make sure that you.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Are finish above the Phillies so you don't have to
play that wild card. But the Dodgers did and got
away with it. But you don't want to use that
as a steady diet. Yes, winning one hundred and fifteen
games that's not important. Winning the division and being at
least the second seed, that's kind of important.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Do you think do you think the fans in Cincinnati
are as happy for their season as Dodger fans are
for their season. Now, of course the Rets didn't win
the World Series, but they made the playoffs and they
got bam. I mean, they got steamrolled. Then they should have.
But do you think in Cincinnati people are going, you
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know what, that was a hell of a year for
the boys, A hell of a year, that's what it's about. No,
I don't think they are.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
I think they feel like they snuck in and you know,
they weren't on the same power as the Dodgers and
knew it was a furgun conclusion that they would lose.
I think Cincinnati. Because of Cincinnati, they still have a
history of some great baseball teams, and I know it's
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not recent, but they still associate the Reds with big
Red Machine winning titles being in the mix. So I
don't think they're jumping up and down saying we had
a great season.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
No, I don't.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
I think they look at it as as Okay, let's
build on this now. Now we've got a taste of it.
Now we've got to get to the next level. I
think that's the way they're looking at it more is Hey,
everybody happy, everybody glad. That's glad.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Hand Plus, they got a manager that's been there and
been to the mountaintop as well in Terry Francona.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
So he's not gonna allow them to go. Hey, we did,
we had a great year.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Let's just uh, let's have a good rink training and
get back to the same spot we were allowed to.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
No, he's not gonna let that happen. Is UCLA moving
to Sofi Stadium? Raise your hand if you'd like them
to my hands up in any regard. Ben Oh, Rodney's
up too good? Okay, Ben Boltch will join us next.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
No, Nick, yeah, m m m m yes it is.
Come on, Rodney p Fred Rogan on a Tuesday feeling it.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Let's go Freddy Okay, Now it is a pleasure. I've
been looking forward to talking to Ben all day, Ben
Bulch at the La Times. Ben, thank you for joining
us today.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Thank you for having me I with an introduction like that,
I need to come on more often.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yes you do, Yes, you do. And I think a
lot of what's going on here is your fault. A
lot of it is your fault. You've been ahead of
this story, you've been writing about it for a while.
So now we'll point the finger at you, except your responsibility,
wear it and tell us what the hell is going
on with UCLA.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Well, that's a very open end question, Fred, But I
think you're referring to the Rose Bowl versus Sofi debate.
I guess is one way to put it right. So
you know, in the last few weeks, it's been publicly
revealed that UCLA is looking to move its home football
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operations to Sofi Stadium as soon as next season, and
obviously the Rose Bowl is not in favor of that
arrangement on any level. They've made, you know, hundreds of
millions of dollars in investments improvements. UCLA has a lease
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that runs through the twenty forty three season. There's a
contract between the parties with no buyout or opt out clause.
So you know, the Rose Bowls perspective is, you guys
made this deal, you knew what it was about. You're
locked in, and UCLA is apparently saying, you know, we're
going to assess all options now. They did put out
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a statement saying that you know, they publicly have not
decided as recently as this weekend. I circled back to
some of my people in the athletic Department was told
that even though you know, it looks like they're leaning
towards so far, no final decision has been made. So
but the bottom line is that the Rose bulls trying
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to put a stop to this. They filed legal paperwork
yesterday asking for our temporary restraining order preliminary injunction barring
UCLA from going ahead and making that move until the
legal dispute is fully resolved. So there's a court date
tomorrow in La Superior Court at eight thirty am. I
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will be there and we will find out, you know,
if what the late is in this matter.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Ben, just because of what you just mentioned, there's a
contract through twenty forty three with the Rose Bowl, and
it feels it's pretty cut and dry that it's going
to be difficult for UCLA to get out of that deal,
given the fact that the Rose Bowl has put significant
dollars in improvements with the Rose Bowl. How how I
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mean we're at twenty twenty five. How in the world
do they does UCLA get around the agreement in the
contract that was stated. Are they claiming that there the
Rose Bowl didn't fulfill some of their obligations.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Well, I don't think they, you know, I don't think
last I looked you so it's not file a formal
response to the to the paperwork. I'll have to, you know,
check and see if that's been updated. But I don't
think necessarily that's the case. I think that they're just
saying for their long term economic viability as an athletic department,
they need to make the snood. So it seems clear
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to me that they've done some preliminary calculations in their head.
I think they understand that they are going to have
to make a very very sizeable payout to the Rose
Ball as part of this, and I think their their
position is going to be, Hey, look, people break leases
all the time. Uh, you know, we're gonna we're gonna
do this. We're gonna move to so far. Yes, we
understand we're gonna have to cut a check, but we've
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done the math and we think it's going to work out,
you know, for our in our favor long term because
you know, the one thing I haven't mentioned yet, as
part of their lease agreement with the Rose Ball, UCLA
does not get U sweet sales, premium cricket sales revenue,
and UH sponsorship revenue. So uh, there's a lot of
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money and opportunity cost that they're losing every year by
playing in the Rose Bowl. Now, on the flip side,
you could say, well, there's a reason for that because
the Rose Bowl is putting all the money into the
stadium improvements, right, and they have all these bonds and
all these long term commitments they've made. So that's where
it's going to be interesting. Legally, I think to see,
you know, the legal people I've talked to think it's
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very unlikely that you say, would be compelled to stay
at the Rose Bull long term. But you know, if
they are able to get out of the contract, it's
a question of how big is the check, right, and
I think it could be just very considerable.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
What's the definition of that.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
I think we're too I mean, I'm not a legal
scholar by any means, but I mean I think we're
talking clearly in the I would say, in the hundreds
of millions would be my best guest.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Okay, yeah, that is substantial. I thought, you go, twenty
million bucks. Okay, we'll call the day, we'll write a check.
No hundreds of millions here. Then you just mentioned something,
so I thought about this the other day. They don't
get the sweet revenue and there are a number of
things they don't get at the Rose Bowl. Could this
be UCLA basically negotiating in public, saying or letting it leak,
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we don't get these things there, and the Rose bull
comes back and says, you know what, we thought about it.
Maybe we're going to change the terms of your lease
and you will get these things here. Do you think
UCLA could be doing that?
Speaker 4 (21:13):
I think it's possible. I mean, I do think there's
a scenario on which both parties say, hey, look, we
want to work this out. We want what's best for
both parties long term. We understand, we respect the partnership
that UCLA's bent the Rose ball for more than forty years.
You come and do this and we'll commit to staying.
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I think there is a world in which that happens.
I don't know the likelihood of it, but I think
it would make sense. And you know, I did a
very unscientific poll as part of my weekly newsletter. We
had more than a thousand people vote in this poll,
and almost eighty percent of them wanted to stay at
the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
So I think they're wrong. May wrong, They're wrong, They
are wrong.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Who what's your.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Because it's idiotic man to drive from Westwood to the
Rose Bowl and they're never even gonna come close to
filling that thing. Now, I'm not saying they'll feel so fine,
don't get me wrong, but just from a logistical standpoint,
it's closer.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
It's well, Fred, it's still My point is it's still
a commute on a freeway and uh, you know, if
there's an event at either the Forum or into a dome,
that traffic is not fun. And I just don't think
that it's I mean, if you're going to make a
commitment to go to a college football game, it's gonna
be an all day commitment regardless. I mean, what, you know,
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what's an extra ten miles? Uh, you know, regardless of
of uh you know what what the distance is. I
just don't think it's that big of a deal to me.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Then you love the Rose Bull everything, you love the
Rose Bull.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
That obvious.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Uh, it is obvious, you be.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
I'll defend you. I'll defend you. It's an easy place
to love Ben. It really is.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
It's the most iconic stadium in the country. You know,
I grew up on the East Coast. I'm from North Carolina.
I went to school at Northwestern. I've covered schools and
BEN to probably almost every major stadium in the country.
And I will say unequivocally, I think the Rose Bull
is the most beautiful venue out there. I think it
gives UCLA an unmistakable identity. I think people love going
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there in tailgating and seeing the mountains at sunset. I
just don't think there's anything like it. And I think
it would be a mistake to get that in just
for some extra money.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
M hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
But but I get where Friend's coming from from a
practical standpoint, and from as we go forward, the making
the trek, and I think a part of the lack
of attendance is making that trek to the Rose Bowl
and it's inconvenience.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Well, why do you think, let me let me interrupt
you there, it's so fi In a Bowl game two
years ago, you know what the attendance was. It was
thirty two thousand, and that's less than their averaging this
year at the Rose Bowl, where they're on pace for
an all time low. So you can't convince me that
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just by moving there is going to solve the attendance problem,
because I don't think that's true.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
All right, let me ask you this. So, when they're
out recruiting players, if they say, okay, where you play.
We played the Rose Bowl or we play at Sofi Stadium,
what do you think means more to a recruit, if
at all.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
It's a great question. I tend to answer that this
week because I'm actually going to reach out to a
bunch of their committed recruits to ask them. I don't
know the answer, but my suspicion is that the young
players would probably be more in favor of Sofi than
the Rose Bowl. I mean, they're not. They don't know
the history and tradition of the Rose Bowl as much
as you know the older fans, and I think they
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like the bells and whistles of an NFL stadium. So
I do think that that could be, you know, something
in the quiver of the Sofi if you're looking at,
you know, reasons to go there. I do think that
could be a good thing.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yeah, hey Ben, Why do you think over the years
that they and I know I get the appeal of
the Rose Bowl and the love for the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
I happen to think the setting of the Rose Bowl
is like no other.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
I really do.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
But why do you think that they have not been
able to get their own stadium on campus surrounding that
around Westwood? I know there's a lot of politics involved,
but it feels like, you know, every five ten years
there was talk about getting an on campus stadium, or
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getting the stadium and redoing that where Jackie Robinson Baseball
Stadium something around are close to Westwood. Why do you
think that's never happened? Is it politics only or is
it money?
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Why?
Speaker 4 (26:01):
I think it's a bunch of factors. You know, I
wrote about this a couple of years ago. You know,
the regents they had a chance in the sixties to
do that, and because of a lot of political interests
involving homeowners associations in the in the bel Air Westwood area,
they were basically shot down. And so the agreement was
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we're going to do Drake Stadium, which is there on
campus track Stadium, and we will not build a football stadium.
In fact, I think there's language prohibiting, you know, anything
bigger than what's on the footprint of what their current
track stadium is. And now in the years since, they've
built underground parking around that area, they've got you know,
innermural fields, they've got dorms. So I think the footprint
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is too established right now to do anything to build,
you know, a forty fifty thousand of seat stadium on campus.
And I think that those same political forces that were
in play back in the sixties would would come back
and be are to budge again. And you know, the
regent said basically way in and said we're not going
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to do it on campus stadium. So you know, you
never say never, right, I mean these are on present times.
We've seen change in ways that I never thought I
would before, so you never rule it out. But I
do think there's a lot of factors and forces that
would still be against it today.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Hey, does UCLA still have to pay call that bag money?
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Yeah? I think or was it three years ten million
per year? Yeah, I think we're in year I've lost track.
I think we're in year two of that. So funny enough,
they're going to play each other in football next season
and then basketball later this month, so you know, the
rivalry is still alive. There'll be some good natured back
and forth about calimony, I'm sure, But yeah, what an
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interesting situation, right Ben, who's.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
A who becomes the head coach at UCLA? Are they
going to go big?
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Are they going to higher with them with Skipper or
new Heiseel or what happens with the football program I'm
going forward?
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Yeah, it's a million dollar question, right. You know, it's
I think it's hard to say, but you know, I'm here.
I'm starting to hear some names kind of emerging. I
can't really share them right now, and I know that
it's a very fluid situation, but the names I'm hearing
are encouraging. I think that they're going to go more
on the up and coming uh trajectory as opposed to
like the already like super established trajectory. And and you know,
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some people might say, well, why wouldn't you get somebody
who's established, But if I'm UCLA, I want somebody who's
going to come in and make it their own and
want to stay. And I think some of the people
they're targeting really could do that, really build this thing up,
make it their own, and and and kind of you know,
sustain it. So, you know, I I think I've talked
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to you guys before about their selection of search committee
with Bob Myers, who have a ton of respect for
from the Warriors, and Adam Peters, Washington Commander's general manager.
I think they've got some really smart people who are
going to be making this decision, and I think they'll ultimately,
you know, make a good one. Now, I will say
there's nine Power four jobs open I think at last count,
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so they're going to face stiff competition, but you know,
I think they can probably get somebody who's going to
satisfy a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
All Right, I say the name Martin Jarmond, And you
say to me.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
What I would say? That's too vague of a question. Okay,
where do you want to go with it?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
I say the name Martin Jarmond and his standing at
this time.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
In regards to the fan base or the university administration.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
University administration, Well, they've.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Clearly signaled that they're backing him, right, I mean they've
I've inquired about that. I've asked a chancellor. Frank's office
to sit down and talk about his stewardship of the
football program, and we've gotten multiple statements basically backing him
and saying he's going to lead the search. We support
him going forward. I saw him with Chancellor Frank at
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the football game against Nebraska last weekend. You know, they
were putting arms around each other posing for photos. So
I think, you know, it's it's clear that they're in
lockstep going forward right now.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah, And as I think you think people focus too
much on on just football, because when you look at
the totality of UCLA athletics, it's been pretty successful. You know,
obviously football is a high profile and basketball as well,
but the other sports have been pretty good, right.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Ben, Well, Yeah, I think the counter argument to that, though,
is that football drives every athletic department, and UCLA's Olympic
sports have self sustained for decades and decades no matter
who the athletic department director is, and we've seen that,
you know, continue over and over again. So you know,
I'm not going to say he doesn't deserve any credit,
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but that that kind of runs itself. So you got
to get football right. And you know, my point that
I've made is that you know, didn't fire Chip Kelly
when it was clear that that was probably the move
to make, and then did this kind of quick hiring
of de Shaun Foster that clearly didn't work out when
he was on nobody else's radars a head coach. So
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we'll see what happens going forward, but you know there's
a lot of skepticism among the fan base for sure.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
All Right, So Ben, tomorrow morning we'll find out more
about the SOFI situation.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Yes, Twitter timeline if you don't follow me already, it's
at lat b Bulch and I will be tweeting out
live updates.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Beautiful. Thanks for coming on, really appreciate it. Love when
you're on the show.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
All right, gentlemen, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Our good friend Ben Bulch of the La Times. All Right,
Adam will jump in here in the next segment as well.
Do we have a coach trolling opposing fans?
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Come on, yeah, on a beautiful Tuesday, Rodney Pete, Fred Rogan,
many thanks to Ben Boltch from the La Times, who's
always dialed in when it comes to U C l A.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Everything.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
He was very candid Fred about Rose Bowl and how
he felt about the Rose Bowl. Oh he he loved
the rose No, he loves it, and and I get it.
I understand why people love the Rose Bowl. The setting
and when things are good, it's great. It's just times
like this and I think people want to deny. And
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he said something like, we're going to be on the
freeway for a little bit anyway, So what's another ten miles?
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Well, no, bed actually does matter. No bad. Look, look you.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Get to Sofi just a straight shot down to four
five as opposed to you know, getting on the one
on one to the one thirty four to the one
ten to the whatever to whatever to get to the
to take that bottleneck to get into the Rose Bowl,
and then getting out of the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Yeah, that's the difference. Okay, Look, Ben is he's great.
He is great covering UCLA. He truly is. He is
plugged in, he breaks stories, he's always on top of it.
I mean really he has. He has certainly earned a
name for himself doing that in this market, and that's
really hard to do and Ben has done it. He's
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that good. But if you don't think Ben is rooting
for the Rose Bowl, you got another thing coming. I
read it. I read it, and I chuckle because you
can tell. And there's nothing wrong with that. There is
nothing wrong with being passionate about that. But Ben, come on,
schlump into the Rose Bowl or soulfide, please please. We
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know that you can't tell Gate as much. No, he's
got his reasons. Yeah, he's got his reasons. Yeah. But
you know, we'll find out tomorrow. That'll be interesting and
he's gonna be tweeting in the morning, so everybody be
on that. I'll be watching tomorrow morning to see what happened. Two.
All right, Adam, are you there?
Speaker 5 (34:11):
I am here, Fred, right.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Go ahead with your NFL trolling story.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
What do you mean I send it to you, Fred,
Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
This is Adam's got an NFL coaching trolling story.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
It's pretty good though.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
I don't know if you guys saw over the weekend,
but the Miami Dolphins actually beat the Buffalo Bills to
get their third win. They had lost seven straight to
their division rival, so maybe they were doing a little
bit of celebrating after winning thirty to thirteen, and the
head coach, Mike McDaniel may or may not have been
doing some trolling near a bar that was populated by
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Buffalo bills fans in Miami called the Elbow Room. I
guess it's a hotspot for visiting Bills fans, and video
and pictures came out of what looks to be Mike
McDaniel in his hoodie with him his aviator glasses on
driving by. Don't know if he was yelling something, just
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turning the corner, sticking his arm out the window, making
sure everybody got a real good look at who that
could be. He was asked about it, though, and he's claiming,
I live in that area. Everybody knows that. But AI
is real. That's what I got for you. So it's
not a hard denial it sir, seems like it probably
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was him doing it, maybe taking a victory lap around
the bar after they beat the bills. But yeah, it's
just hilarious. A guy who was a dead man walking basically,
who he thought would be fired by now and somehow
is still surviving right now in Miami, and you could
say thriving because of the trolling.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
I mean, what AI is real. It is real.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
But at the same time, could you he's such a
how do I put this? He's a quirky weirdos.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
But he's he's a he's a subtle gangster. I should say,
I want to be gangster, and he's you know, the
demeanor doesn't match what I think his fire inside is
and what he's capable of doing, and so it doesn't shock.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Me that he would actually be doing this.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
Put it that way, you're saying he's like Malibu's most
wanted with Jamie a little bit.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
I could see that. I could see that.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
I don't know if he had like stunt one on
one by g unit playing while he was riding by
the splashy car, but this is totally something he would do.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Yeah, but you know what I mean. Okay, he's an
NFL coach. He's an NFL coach. Let's say he really
did it. Let's say that that that's true, all right, Adam,
you seem to believe it, correct.
Speaker 5 (36:51):
I believe it more so because it's it's not a
hard denial. He's basically wanting to leave this story out there.
Speaker 6 (36:59):
Oh you know, it's a I've seen the video. You've
seen the video.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
It sure looks like him.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Okay, if he did that, he should be fired immediately.
Speaker 6 (37:07):
Come on, Fred, No.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
That's more important than him actually getting a victory over Buffalo.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
No, no, no. My point is, you don't live in the
head coach of an NFL team to go and troll
fans from the other team. You do not expect that
he's the head coach of the football team. I don't
know if you even expect a college coach to do that.
Speaker 6 (37:30):
Expect the unexpected.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
With Mike McDaniel, I hear you they're having a rough year.
Speaker 6 (37:35):
They're having around two years.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
I'm going to do a quick drive by my style. Yeah,
all right, Rodney. If you if you're in Philadelphia and
Ray Rhoades did that, what would you think.
Speaker 6 (37:50):
He's swearing out the driver's side window.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
See Ray Roads were to do that, it would be
no question it would be whether it was AI or not, because.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
You would know it was Ray Rhodes and he would
let you.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Know it's me Ray Rose, not AI, and f you mother,
and he would let you know.
Speaker 6 (38:10):
Hey, I can't swear like this.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
You mu exactly exactly with McDaniel.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
You know the fact that he even said, I live
in the area, I go by there all the time.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
I drive by it all the time.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
He's leaving it out there, which is he didn't emphatically
said nope, it's not me. I A look, it's it's
pretty cool. Whatever he could have said. You know, I
thought it was funny. I thought it was interesting, but
definitely not me. He didn't say that. He said, well,
you know, I live in the area, I know the place.
Or no, I'm going to say it's not him.
Speaker 6 (38:45):
You're saying it's not him.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
I think he's messing with people.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
Now, Okay, hold on, there's another part to this story,
Fred oh Oh. His own players have turned on him,
apparently even more so even guys who aren't on the
field right now. Tyreek Hill went on on social media
and said, quote, I see coach back on his petty dogs.
Speaker 6 (39:06):
I love it.
Speaker 5 (39:09):
They may have just outed him if there was any
doubt before. It sure seems like that's part of his character.
Because Tyreek Hill is saying that.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I guess that was a bad call.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
Yeah it was Mike McDaniel.
Speaker 6 (39:24):
There's no way to get around that.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
But if you only have three wins, I guess you
got to celebrate when you can.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
All right, do you think he well he survived the season?
Speaker 5 (39:34):
At him they said he would from ownership at this point.
Why not, I guess I don't think this is what's
gonna get him fired or push things over the edge.
They've had flashes and glimpses to his plato.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
They gotta get on a roll or something for him,
not too.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
It's it's it's because it's they just gave two of
the big contract right, and they gave it in a
large part because McDaniel believed in him. And but are
they going to continue if they only get two or
three more wins this season, continue with the same narrative.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
I don't know if they do.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
I'll tell you this, if they're going to fire him,
they got the Commanders coming up this week. They're in
shambles if they lose that game, and that's overseas.
Speaker 6 (40:23):
I don't know if Germany.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
No.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
I think it's in Spain or Portugal, as the NFL
is doing their international tour here.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
I think it's in Madrid. Madrid.
Speaker 6 (40:31):
Their bye comes after that.
Speaker 5 (40:33):
I think if they lose to the Commanders, that could
be it, because then you fire a head coach, have
an interim in there to get settled.
Speaker 6 (40:41):
As there's a bye, that might be the spot to
do it. So maybe this was him.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
You know, getting his last hurrahs in because this could
be the end.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Could they leave him on the tarmac, oh, Freddy, Layne Kiffin, Yeah,
give them Layne Kiffin, stop it. Leave him at the time, Madrid,
not in Madrid, read, I.
Speaker 6 (41:01):
Mean that's dirty.
Speaker 5 (41:02):
You leave them overseas across the pond like that. Lane
Kippen was an Arizona, right, he ain't that far away?
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Yeah dirty, Okay, plane's leaving. But Mike, why don't you
step over here?
Speaker 6 (41:16):
It's not going Also, we shredded your passport.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Good luck, enjoy, enjoy Madrid? All right, Adam, thank you.
Vinnie bon Signor will join us when we come back,
and uh later on in the hour. We'll get you
caught up on everything when it's lit.
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