November 14, 2025 • 44 mins
We debate whether Shohei Ohtani is already on the mount rushmore of LA Sports figures after he won his 4th MVP award yesterday. May the Dodgers look to improve more through the trade market than through free agency?
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Okay, let's go. We've got a two hour show today,
Fred Rogan, Rodney Pete on a five to seventy LA Sports.
Jack Harrisill joined the program at one o'clock and Rodney,
we do need in a few minutes to get into show.
Hey Otani and winning the MVP once again, and the
question will become, is he in the conversation already for
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best athlete in LA Sports history? For Dodger franchise history.
He only has two titles so far, but no one
else can boast for MVP awards. So we're gonna get
to that. But now let's start with this. And as
we progress through the off season, the Dodgers mentioned in
many possible free agent acquisitions. Here's the question, given what
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they have, given their talent and their depth, could it
be possible here that rather than signing somebody, would it
be more advisable to go out and trade for somebody.
You wouldn't have to sign a guy of a five year,
two hundred million dollar deal, use some of your assets,
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because you've got an awful lot of them, and perhaps
go out and trade somebody for somebody. What do you
think of that?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Well, I mean, obviously there's got to be a lot
of factors involved, and you got to look at the details.
Is a guy on the last year of his trade
deal or his deal, or is he in the last
two years of his deal, three years of his deal?
What does that look like? Because if you trade for
somebody and you give up your assets, as we all know,
you want to make sure you can sign that guy again,
or that guy is going to play for you multiple years.
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You don't want to give up a prospect that is
an up and comer that may be a big part
of your future. And you trade for someone and he's
got one year left and all of a sudden he
doesn't like it here, or has a poor year, or
something goes wrong and he decides, hey, I'm moving on.
I'm a free agent. I'm gonna go to the Giant.
So you got to be very careful with that. But
it's not it's not a bad idea. But I think
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when you think about the Dodgers and until they get
a salary cap for it, until the other owners that
are whining that the Dodgers are ruining baseball, I think
the way they've been going about it is absolutely okay.
You can sign free agents. You can sign them to
multi multi year deals for big money. The Dodgers got deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep,
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deep deep pockets, so I don't think it affects them
one way or another. As long as they keep winning championships.
I don't think they care how they do it.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I agree. I agree. Let's look at Let's look at
Stephen Kwan. Now, he was a guy that was mentioned
during the trade deadline plays outfield for the Indians.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
By the way, he's pretty good player. The Guardians fred,
the Guardians, Oh, the Guardians correct. So he's under club
control to twenty twenty seven. He'll become a free agent
in twenty twenty eight. His twenty twenty five deal four million,
one hundred and seventy five thousand dollars, so he'll get
a little more in arbitration for next season. But the
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point is this, here's a guy that you can grab
for two years at a cost controlled price, who could
really help you, who could make a difference. I mean,
is he Cody Bellinger? He might be, He might be
Cody Bellinger. Is he Kyle Tucker? No, he is not
Kyle Tucker, but he could be Cody Bellinger. I mean,
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that's how good he is, and he obviously comes at
a more cost controlled price. And on top of it,
you're not stuck with him for eight years because you don't.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Want to do that. Let me give you another name,
and this was kicked around as well, Brendan Donovan. All right,
Brendan Donovan's a little older than Stephen Kwan, but nonetheless
you could trade for him. Now, what would the Guardians
want for Stephen Kwan? I have to tell you they
want something pretty good. The Dodgers would have to give
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to get. But when you have as much depth as
they do, you would consider it. Let's look at pitching.
Could a machine be part of a deal to the
Guardians for Stephen Kwan? He's young, we know he can pitch,
but really, unless somebody gets hurt, where's he going to pitch?
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So you have to start looking.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Where's he going to pitch for the Dodgers? Right? Is
that what you're saying? Where's he going to pitch? In
the rotation? Well, as we've seen over the last few years,
some of those guys you don't think are gonna get
a lot of innings end up getting a lot of innings.
You know, I think what you're just mentioning Dustin mayfell
in that category this year, right, where is he gonna
fit in? They started using him out of the pen
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a little bit spot starts, but in the big scheme
of things, there was no spot for him in the
starting rotation, and so they ended up trading him away.
I think Imachin, Yeah, could be in that conversation just
like that, with all the arms that they have. But man,
pitching is such a premium and when you got a
guy that has proven and that he can get it done,
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throws upper upper nineties with good stuff, young, live arm
like he has, that's a that's one of those ones
that might keep you up at night that I traded
him away. Now hearing the staff that you have because
injuries happened as we've seen with the Dodgers over the
last few years, especially with the pitching staff.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Ryan River Rhyin will be back this year. Yeah, so
they're gonna have guys coming back. Would you package one
of them in a deal for Stephen Kwan? Maybe? I
think I would, to be very honest with you, would
you send a young prospect, a good pitcher, and somebody
else for Stephen Kwan? How about you have Cleveland got
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a guy they thought that they could insert right into
their rotation right now. That would be very intriguing to them.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, and what did we hear we heard I think
this was this past offseason or when this I guess
that started the season when they start having their pitching
woes the Dodgers, that the Dodgers have an abundance of
pictures sitting in double A and Triple A. Then we
hear that there's a big story came out. I remember
that the Dodgers were loaded when it came to pictures
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and arms. That gave them a lot of leverage if
they needed to. You know, here's my thing on prospects.
That's what they are. Prospects. You never know until they
get here. So I'm more app to say, yeah, okay,
I'll give up this prospect that maybe been killing it
in double A Triple A as opposed to giving up
somebody that I know that has done it on the
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big stage, as emittt she and Jack Dryer. You know
some of the guys that we've Robeleski, who we've seen
come up in big situations and do well. So if
a prospect and they want three prospects down in Oklahoma City.
I'm actually okay with that.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Yeah, I think, well, well, it depends on prospects too.
I understand their suspects until they're big leaguers, but the
Dodgers are really good at you know, there's no way
we're giving up Willie Calhoun. Remember that Willie Calhoun was
slotted for Dodger Stadium. Willie Calhoun was going to be
the man, and at the last minute to make that deal.
I think it was for you, darbish. That year they
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threw in Willie Calhoun. Willie Calhoun went out to be
an average big league player. He was never a superstar.
So just because somebody else in another organization values someone
doesn't mean the Dodgers hold the same value to them,
even if they're in their own organization. I don't think
it'd be a bad idea to put a deal together,
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to be honest with you.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
And you know, the Dodgers know their players better than anybody,
So there might be a guy with the Dodgers. You know,
when we talk about organization in farm systems, the Dodgers
do it better than anybody. There's always two or three
guys or even more than that thread that are down
there that people they keep your eye on that guy.
He may not be at the top of the list
of a prospect or whatever, but keep an eye on
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that guy. And we're not gonna let that guy go
because you watch he's gonna be a superstar. And he
may not be as highly regarded or rated as some
of the guys ahead of him, But the Dodgers know
their people better than anybody else, so there's a number
of those guys as well. But yeah, it might not
be a bad idea. I just wouldn't give up certain
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guys that are on your current roster that you've seen,
especially young pitchers that you've seen do well in big spots.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
But what if you had to give up one? Yeah,
for Stephen Kwant, I think I would make that trait.
I do.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I think I'd make that trait if I only had
to give up one. Okay, So what's your limit? Yeah,
you've been on the soapbox about this. What's your limit
on deals? Now? Signing a guy? Is your limit? Four years?
Five years? What's your limit that you would never go
past four years or five years? Which one is it?
Let's say five years, let's go five You would say
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five years is your limit? So you would never sign
anybody more than five years.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
That's how I would try to operate. Are there exceptions
to the rule, Otani? Yes, there are exceptions, but in
general terms, it'd be five years. We'll give you five
and after five, if you're good, you know what's gonna happen,
you're gonna stay right here with us.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Look at what's happening though, fred we just read this
off yesterday. Dodgers don't have one player as the highest
paid player at their position, correct, not one? Right? And
when you look at the contracts, you know, obviously ol
Tani's an outlier. He's a different, different animal together. But
when you look at the contracts of Freddie, Blake, Snell,
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Mookie even and I wouldn't even say Ya'm a Moto
given his age, you don't think that in what is
this year five that Muki's been here that if right
now his contract is looking very very favorable for the
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Dodgers because of inflation, and as time goes on, in
two years from now, that contract is gonna look very
favorable to the Dodgers. And I think that's the way
they look at it, is that down the road, the
way the salaries have jumped you know, you offer a
guy a ten year deal. Okay, yeah, it's ten years.
You might have some diminishing returns in year seven, eight, nine,
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and ten, but for six of those years, seven of
those years, you're gonna get some real quality play. Plus
at year seven, that contract is gonna be and that
average salary is gonna be average from the time you
sign it to the time seven years from now is
gonna be average. It looks like a bargain for Freddie
Freeman right now.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Well, and what I would do, and I don't know
if they do this or not, I'm being honest, and
we kind of kicked it around yesterday. I think i'd
front low these things. So if you've got ten your
first five, you're really going to get paid or you're
gonna get all your money in the end. Don't get
me wrong, but as we go down the years, you
make less per year, same total, but as you're making less,
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that gives us a chance to go out and get
somebody to help you in those final years. I think
I would do that. Rod.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Now, well, what they've been doing, the way they've engineered this,
and we've talked about this and the deferred money, and
people have argued about the doctors doing that even though
everybody can do it. Guys like Freddie, guys like muki
Otani's the biggest example, making two million dollars per year,
and that's all that's counting against the payroll. Is deferring
their money years down the road when these guys are
not even going to be playing anymore. So instead of
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even front loading a contract, a lot of the money
that these guys will be making is going to be
made years after they're even gone. So the fact that
Mookie's making what twenty four million dollars this year, whatever
it is, if that's supposed to be thirty four, part
of that is just kicked down the road until twenty
forty or whatever it is. And that's kind of the
way the Dodgers have been doing it. And that's why
they're able to have these guys at these salaries because
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on a regular market deal, Freddie, Mookie, all these guys
are making well over thirty five forty million dollars per season,
but because their money's deferred, they're not doing that.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah. Absolutely, And if you're a club like the Dodgers
that have very solid ownership with deep pockets and ain't
going anywhere they got. You know, I'm nine hundred billion
dollars in under management in the company or more than
that that that money is well secure, so you don't
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have to worry about that. Whether they're a club or
a team. I don't know if it's Baseball, but I
think it is that got involved with the deferred money
and now they had trouble paying that individual.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
That was Arizona. Back when they were their World Series team.
They deferred a lot of money with Randy Johnson and
Shilling and a lot of those guys, and they didn't
have the money in escrow to cover it, right, So
Baseball actually changed their rules so that teams they have
to basically vet teams to make sure they have money
and esco to cover the amount they're deferring.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
That was Jerry Colangelo right when he ran the Diamondback.
Smart guy, but you gotta have the money to pay.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Him otherwise it's good. But you're right, Kevin, that is
that is a way to do it. Again. Everybody can
do that, not just the Dodgers. So just the Dodgers
are smarter in the way they do business, and they're
more secure long term and their and their budget and
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their money and how they're gonna pay guys, and the
guys feel secure about that, which it again is a
is an advantage for the Dodgers because people know that.
Now if you're you know, one of these teams that
cried broke, like the Chicago Cubs, and they say, hey,
we wanted the first seventy five percent of your money
and we'll pay you down the road and you'll get it,
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you know, starting two years after you retire, basically, and
you're looking up in the Cubs and the guys saying,
we're just trying to break even.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Remember that guy, remember that?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I don't know. I'm like, no, I want all my money.
I want all my money, and this eight year contract
and when that eight years is up, I want to
make sure I have all my money. I'm not looking
for any deferrals.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Yeah, well, if you're playing for the Cubs, you are,
I'll tell you that. Yeah, mister, I want to break even?
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Which bother on?
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Is it money?
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Buy that? No, you're in Chicago, you have your own
TV deal. No, I mean really breaking even?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
What's your definition of breaking even? What does that mean?
How much you're actually gonna make? Because you can't How
could you lose money in Chicago.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah, yeah, it doesn't make any sense. They're not Pittsburgh, Cincinnati,
where you know it's plausible. But even still there's look
what they call it cooking the books read there's no
way in Chicago with their own TV deal, they basically,
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I would guess I don't know that numbers, but I
would guess they're in the top five to seven in
attendance every single year with the Cubs. It's a it's
a global brand and he's just trying to break even.
That doesn't make sense at all.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Cubs a year, sixth, sixth in attendance this year.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Yeah they're fine. Come on, they're fine. And here's the deal.
If you're running a business and it's really in trouble,
I mean really really, you are losing money, you are struggling,
you're on the verge of bankruptcy. You cannot cook the books.
You can't. It's all there for everybody to see. But
any accountant will tell you, you know, what, what do you
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needed to say? What do you wanted to say? Because
we can figure out how to make it that way.
We can show how you're losing money, but you made
one hundred million dollars. But we can show that absolutely,
and then it comes into tax implications and things like that.
So that's what you mean, Rodney, by cooking the books.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah, you can make it say whatever you want. Just
like I did a show a long time when we
did the National Rogan's Zero Show, and it was for
MCA Universal, and I talked to the ratings guys, said,
how are the ratings? He said, they're pretty good. He said,
you know what, here's how I operate. You get a two,
I'll figure out a way to get you four. Don't
worry about it. I know how to do this kind
of thing. So you can make numbers say whatever you want.
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And you can make research say whatever you want as well.
It's like when they do research projects, you know, they
can make that research say whatever they want because the
research is determined by the questions you ask. Here's an example.
When you get up in the morning, do you want
to know what the weather is? Yeah? I do good,
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We'll put weather on nine times on local TV in
an hour. We'll take care of that. Hey, do you
really care about local sports that much?
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Eh?
Speaker 1 (16:47):
You know, I can take it or leave it. Okay, Fine,
we'll give it less time and put it at the
end of the show. It's confirmation bias. It's how you
ask questions. Same thing with accounting. A good account and
can make the books say whatever they need to say.
Not a problem. So if the owner in Chicago's saying, man,
we're just trying to break even, what does that mean?
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You're trying to break even? Well, I gotta be honest
with you. You're doing a little better than that. You're
doing a little better, little bit. Or when he says
we're just trying to break even, what is his break
even point? What does break even mean? You see?
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yeah, Like, what do you mean? What does break even mean?
Does break even mean? I gotta I gotta show at
least I gotta have at least a U what thirty
million dollar profit? That break even? To me?
Speaker 1 (17:41):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah, there's a threshold that he is. He is loud
himself with his team that we have to profit X
Y Z, and I'm calling that breaking even.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Right. You know what we gotta do. We gotta make it.
We gotta make eighty five million bucks. We gotta make
eighty five So we're just struggling to do that, by
the way, that's break even in his mind. That's not
the two hundred million dollars they made. He just wanted
to break even. Let's say the break even playing was
one hundred million. We got to break even. That's one
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hundred million dollars. You see how they do that. So
you have to be very careful when people say those
kinds of things and really think about what they mean.
Now we have to get to our discussion topic. I
don't know is that the Mount Rushmore of LA Sports show.
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Hey Otani already in the conversation for best athlete in
LA sports history? Is he? Let's talk about that?
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Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah, I don't care. It is Friday and it's a
rainy Friday. Man, we really don't care. This is where
you want to just snuggle up and listen to Rogan
and Ridney all day long.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Freddy, all right, well, as you're listening, ponder this, noodle this,
if you would noodle this another MVP for show? Heo Tani? Nanimous?
Not even close on one quick second? How did the
Angels let that guy go? Oh my god, he is
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a money generating machine. Heap. There's no bigger draw. I
would say there's no bigger draw in sports than Shoe Tani.
He's Tiger Woods, He's Michael Jordan, He's a championship boxer
that sells out. There is no bigger draw in sports
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than sho Hey o Tani. How in the world did
you let him get away? In any event, he wins
another MVP award, He's got four of them. Of course,
playing in Los Angeles is a bit different than playing
in Orange County. But when you consider four MVPs the
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World Series since he came, I think you have to
start to think about, is he go down on the
Mount rushmore? Is he one of the best athletes in
LA sports history? Could he be in the conversation what
it's all said and done to be the very best?
And I'll tell you there's some very stiff competition. Good
friend of yours, Rodney Magic Johnson, I think he's got
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to be in that conversation. I think Kobe Bryant has
to be in that conversation. Some may at Kareem some
my ad shack. They already are Kobe and Magic for sure, okay.
And they brought five titles to to l A a
piece and multiple m v P. I don't know how many.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Finals MVP Kobe had, but I know Magic had a
couple of them, and then league MVPs they you know,
both of them. I think I had a couple of them. Uh,
not to mention the year and year out of how
many finals they actually went to. You know, we we
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we chalk up and here in LA we think about
the wins, right, it's not about how many you went to.
You think about the wins. But but you know, you
think about in the eighties, Magic went to five, but
they also lost a couple, so I think he went
to seven or eight total. And and then same Kobe
lost to the one year to the to the Pistons
and one year to the UH to the Celtics. So
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he's been there several times, and you know, you just
got to go through it. I you know, certainly he's
on that trajectory. He's on that trajectory. I wouldn't say
I can't put him ahead of those two guys. I
don't know if I can put him ahead of of
Kareem either, because with Kareem you do have to go
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back to the UCLA days what he did. What he
did at UCLA as well, and when you're talking about
LA sports, so does not discount that. So those three
guys for sure, you know, And then I was thinking
about what about what about guy like like Marcus Allen,
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you know, National title at USC, Heisman Trophy at USC,
super Bowl title with the Raiders, super Bowl MVP with
the Raiders, all here in LA. That's a pretty good
resume too. Hall of fame in the top I think
Top two and three, and touchdowns in the NFL. So
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he's got to be high on that list. I know
he's kind of a forgotten guy and the way it
worked out with the Raiders, but still you look back
and really dial into his accomplishments as an LA athlete,
it's pretty impressive. So yes, yes, Otani is certainly on
his way. And it's almost like Otani gets a little
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bit maybe and he shouldn't when you go through the
totality of it. But a lot of folks he played
for the Angels, Fritt, they forgot he spent six years,
it was six, right, six years with the Angels. One
two MVPs there, right, But it's it's almost getting to
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the point where people forget that he actually played for
the Angels. And that's how sad that organization is when
they can't find a way to maximize a guy like Otani.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, it is sad. It is sad. And then you
look at what he's accomplished, and it's I mean, he
was very good with the Angels, very successful with the Angels,
but he comes here and he's exploded. He was that
kind of player there he didn't have any support around him. No,
But here, with the brand that the Dodgers have, it's
a whole new ball game. What is our criterry?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Can you look up how many what was his What
are the most home runs he hit with the Angels?
Speaker 3 (24:34):
I believe it was forty four, but give me a second,
fifty though, right, I don't think he ever hit over
fifty until he got to the Dodgers.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Right, So back to back years, over fifty home run.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Yeah, his last year at the Angels he had forty four.
That was excuse me, So in twenty twenty one he
actually hit forty six. Okay, so forty six before he
got to the Dodgers was his high.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
In twenty twenty he also hit forty four with the
Angels as well.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
His final year he hit forty four.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Right, Yeah, that's pretty incredible. Yet those years are not
they're they're like they feel such a distance ago, light
years ago that he was even with the Angels. But
you can't you can't forget those because he won two
MVPs with the Angels and that's still that's still la
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that counts. Yeah, definitely, that counts. What's the criteria for
being on this list? Number of titles? Number of MVPs?
Is the criteria? Just the name you made in the
marketplace and how people look at you? I mean, would
Fernando make a list like this?
Speaker 1 (25:40):
He certainly transcended the sport, changed the way people viewed
Dodger baseball, introduced an entirely new culture to the game,
brought in an entirely new fan base to the game.
Would he be on this list when we talk about
things like right, it depends on what your criteria is.
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
What is it his influence in the city, how you know,
your impact on the city, not just championship, because Fernando.
I mean when you talk about changing the culture of
a city and the passion of a city and the
people rallying behind someone, not many bigger than Fernando. At
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that period of time, it was mania, and they call
it Fernando Mania. You know, Magic Johnson coming in for
the Lakers and winning in year one a title for
the Lakers to start the Showtime era took the city
by storm. You know. Kobe's kind of involvement kind of
was a little bit slower and it was kind of
a build up that he got to be that to
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that level. But Magic and Fernando came on the scene
immediately had an immediate impact on this city. And so
is that part of the criteria as well?
Speaker 3 (26:57):
How about this? I mean Jerry West who did in
multiple levels phenomenal player, multiple times to the finals, won
one championship at the very end, but then was the
architect of those Showtime Lakers as the general manager, and
then the architect of the Kobe Shack Lakers too. Before
he pieced out and went to Memphis.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
I don't maybe they do. I don't know if people
give him enough credit.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
They don't. I feel like a lot of times this
sort of thing is discussed, people don't talk about Jerry
West enough.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
No they don't. They don't. And they look at you
know those I mean, you look at this, how many
times they went to the finals and they just happened
to run into the juggernaut Celtics. They were in the
finals every every other year almost, and you know, couldn't
get over that hump. And but man, that was that
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was as as dominant as run as we've seen without
winning titles that the Lakers had in the sixties and
early seventies.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
One in eight in the finals, yeah, Jerry West with
the Lakers. One in eight, Yeah, MVP of the finals
in one year that they lost, by the way.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
How about that? Is he the only one that's ever
won MVP and a losing on the losing team. Yes, yes,
that's incredible, all right. When you look at nine titles
he went, I mean nine finals he went to.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Well, maybe he should be on the list. People oftentimes
in this situation say we got to mention wayn Gwetzky. Well,
he certainly the Kings existed, but he put them on
the map when he got here. He didn't win a
Stanley Cup. Here, would he be considered one of those
It should be on this list, honestly, And hockey's my
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favorite sport. On this list, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
No, No, you know you're talking about changing attitude. Yes,
if that's the list and that's the only criteria, yeah,
because he certainly put hockey on the map in LA
when he came. But that's that's really the only category
I think that he could. He could, You could convince
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anybody that that's what he belongs. But if you're talking
about there's five different criterias for it, and winning is
one of them, you can't put him in the list
with Magic and Kobe and and you know who else
we talked.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
About, even Fernando. If Fernando won two Nando titles with
the with the Doctors, even if if Chrisky had won
one Stanley Cup, I think it would it would change
a lot. But the fact that he never won one
I think kind of edges him out of that list.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Yeah, in the city of Champions, you'd have to win,
you have to win one at least.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Okay, so that's that's part of the criteria. Yeah, Kevin,
are we leaving anybody off that pops into your mind?
Smush Parker?
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Oh yeah, and Chris Mim Of course I got to
throw him in there, that group or our guy. But Benjamin,
how can we leave him out of there?
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (29:58):
My god? The Hall of Famers? Yeah, we have to
do another list.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
One day, because if you're talking about moments, moments, yeah,
and that there's several guys. Kirk Gibson would be a
moment and Dodger history that leaves you know, it's on
the Mount Rushmore of moments. But he only played that
first game. Will he hit the home run?
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Right, and that's that's recognized as the greatest sports moment
in LA history?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Right? In moments, it's different, right, In moments it's different.
All right, Well, let's hear what people think. Eight six, six, nine,
eighty seven, two, five seventy. Here's what we'll do. You
want to do the top four? That might that might
be too difficult, that might be too hard. What would
do the top five? Okay, you know Mount Rushmore plus one,
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Let's do that because the top four is I think
it's too difficult. Who should be up there and it
starts with this O Tani already in the conversation for
best athlete in LA sports history, and that would be fair.
It's early, but that would be a fair assessment. So
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Speaker 1 (32:45):
Okay, so Mount Rushmore plus one trying to figure out,
given where Sho hey o Tani is right now, does
he already qualify to be up there in the greats
of La sports?
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Joel, go ahead? Now you think O'tani does belong there?
But you think someone else is missing? Joe you there, Joe,
I'm here.
Speaker 7 (33:12):
I'm here, Fellas, I'm here. Can you hear me?
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Yeah, So you think Otani? Yes, but someone's missing.
Speaker 7 (33:19):
People gotta forget the late great Al Davis. Just win baby,
people forget LA claims the Raiders, and the Raiders seems
they've stepped in town when they moved from Oakland, LA
claimed them. When they went back to Oakland, LA claimed
them when they went to Las Vegas. LA still claims them.
That is someone that is very crucial to the fandom.
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And hear the Mount Rushmore. Look, I'm sorry Raider fans,
even when they're hot garbage, they still cheer for their Raiders.
The Raiders are tremendous for LA and Al Davis did
something that will never will never see again. But yeah,
shee journey. He's an dreddible athletes.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Thanks Shell, appreciate it. Okay, Yes, I know, Tony. Uh,
I can't sign off on Al Davis and I liked
Al Davis by the way, But Rodney, I can't sign
off on him. He came, he La, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
He came. They won a Super Bowl while they were
in LA. Certainly brought a lot of attention. Uh, it
was it still is the most popular team in LA
football team I should say so. Yeah, the brand, he built,
the brand, it's incredible. But if you're going to mention him,
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I think his influence, his biggest influence too, was the
years in Oakland of him, you know, battling the league
and creating the Raiders in Oakland, that bad boy image
in Oakland and all of those things. I think. Yes,
LA fans love the Raiders here, but they are I
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think they still the Oakland Raiders to me, Yeah, I
would agree. Although and although as mark as the Oakland Raiders.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
To be there. If you were of a certain age
when the Raiders moved here.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
It was all in town. That was it.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
They are your team, Yes, they are your team. If
you were in high school that that range. When the
Raiders moved here, they're your team. It's like they never
played in Oakland. When they went back to Oakland, it's
like that was the first time they moved there. That's
how people looked at him. All right, Rick and San Pedro, Okay,
you've got Otani. Who else do you think?
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Oh, you got to go to the genesis, to the
beginning of all this greatness in la And you gotta
mention Sandy Kofax seven years a starter, five World Series,
three championships, dominated the game, and he's Jewish.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
I think you're right, he's Jewish.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
All right, well, I guess that doesn't hurt s Well,
I has some matza. We'll take it.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Yeah, well, hi him, Thanks Rick? Thanks? Uh Yeah. I
think Sandy Kofax probably deserves the spot there, Rodney. But
you see, now it's getting tight.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Now.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Our problem is it's getting tight because we're actually adding
people that deserve the chance to be there, and we're
gonna run out of room fast. If we're only picking
five Keana in the OC. Okay, you like Otani? Who
else do you like?
Speaker 8 (36:34):
I'm so happy to meet you guys, Thank you, thank you. Anyway,
I have five guys.
Speaker 9 (36:40):
Magic.
Speaker 8 (36:40):
I used to watch him at the Forum against Larry Bird.
Was very happy when he retired. So Magic, Kobe, Wilt, Chamberlain,
Jerry West, and Fernando and I really like John Wooden.
So you can kick off any one of those other
guys except not Magic. But I love John Wooden.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Yes, yes, thank you for calling.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Good call John Wooden.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
That was a major omission on our part.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yes, yes, but they went eighth straight something like that. Remarkable,
just he was simply remarkable. He redefined college basketball, he
redefined the sport, the Wizard of Westwood. You cannot leave
him off. Yeah, he's gotta be there. Ke On a
good pull.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Wilt, though I don't know they can put Wilt on.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
That can't put Will before Kareem, Well, can't put Wilt
before Kareem.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
I guess Wilt's claim the fame as I guess he
helped that, you know, Elgin, Jerry West, that team get
over the hump and win a championship.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
But that was only one.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Yeah, that was that was one and he was here
for what five years? So I don't know if I
can put Wilton that conversation.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Okay, uh, Albert and Whittier. So you say, Ohtani's in
the conversation, but you have a few others. Who are
those others?
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Well?
Speaker 4 (37:58):
Yeah, so Connie belongs up there. And I also like
Kersheiser because he carried that eighty eighteen through two powerhouses.
But the most important guy was born and raised in
La and that's the Golden Boy, Oscar de la Hoya.
He needs to be up there.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Okay, Rod's shaking his head. Yeah, I can buy that.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
I can buy. I can buy him. I can buy.
I don't know who to take off to put him on.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
See now, now, now here's the dilemma. Okay, Oscar de
la Hoya. Let's say he belongs there. Does he belong
there more than John Wooden, Kobe Magic, Sandy kofax Otani?
I mean, who would you take off? Now, if we're
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talking top ten, that's a different story. But we're talking
the very top right now. He's certainly got to be
in the top ten. Let's go Joe in Foothill Ranch,
all right, Joe. So I'm sorry, Jose in Foothill Ranch. Jose,
You've got Otani on the list, but you have others
on the list as well, right.
Speaker 10 (39:09):
Yeah, so very hard, guys, thanks for having me. Is
very very tough. We've I mean, we're blessed to have
these many great star throughout history in LA for me,
I mean obviously Kobe Bryant, Magic Johnson, Sandy Kolfex, fernand Vevenzuela,
and Otani's already there.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
So five.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
I like it. That's we came up with those as well.
Let's go Patrick and Whittier. Patrick, you're saying Otani's definitely on.
Speaker 9 (39:38):
The list, right, Yeahani's on the list. Kobe Bryant obviously
not only because he you know, the mamba on the offense,
but defensively, he definitely was number one in that category.
So two way player, Otani, Kobe Aaron Donald wired. Aaron
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Donald in his career was just dominant. And when you
look at Mount Rushmore as you're talking about dominant, like,
these are people that were number one in their spot continuously.
So Aaron Donald wire to wire. The fourth one would
have to be definitely Serena Williams from Compton not necessarily
winning in Los Angeles, but she muan all around the world.
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LA born and raised the fifth one. I really wanted
to keep this within my generation because I was born
in eighty seven, But in terms of my criteria of
just dominant, I would have to go with the previous
caller and just put number five, John Wooden. So that's
my list, and that's.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Good Lost Patrick, Thanks good lift.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
You know, it's almost like you got to separate nineteen
seventy beyond or something like that, or seventy five and beyond,
because you can go back and there are others. But yeah,
I hear what he's saying on Aaron Donald being dominant.
He played a few years in Saint Louis before they
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got here. But I can't put Aaron Donald out there
before Magic Johnson. I can't put Aaron Donald there before
Kareem as dominant as he was. And I love some
Aaron Donald. He was. He needs he and from a
defensive lineman standpoint, he needs to be mentioned the same
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name as Reggie White, that's how dominant he was. But
from an LA standpoint, yeah, he can't go ahead of
some of the other names.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Uh okay, And that made me think we left somebody off.
Is he top five? Jerry Boss? I think Jerry Buss
is on that list somewhere. Rodney the owner of the
Lakers when they won all of those titles.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
He certainly would be there before Al Davis when you're
talking about ownership, right.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
M h all, let's go to Compton two more Ryan, Yes,
I Tani? Who else?
Speaker 6 (42:04):
Hey, Philo's how you doing? Definitely yes on a Tani,
But for sure the locks are Magic Johnson and Kobe Bryant.
You gotta have Fernando on it as well, just based
off of this impact. And then you can't forget about
Lisa Leslie, you know, Morningside High School up in Inglewood,
to USC to the Sparks. Just the overall impact that
she had on the city.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
I love it, you know in the card up before Yeah,
I mean, how do you not have Serena the most
dominant tennis player ever? And then if you're gonna talk Serena,
don't you got to include Billy Jean King.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
She's gotta be there.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Billy Jean King, Long Beach, Long Beach, Polly. I mean, yeah,
it's hard when you start thinking about it. There's some
pretty prominent folks coming through La Billy Jean changed the game.
She changed the game and then Serena took it to
a different level and her dominance when her when in
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her reign. So it's hard not to. Yeah, you can't
keep Serena off of that.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Let's go Mitchell Mitch in New Jersey to Rapids. Mitt
All right, Mitchell, Tiny's on the list, go fast. Who else?
We're fine, Thank you, ran great fight on.
Speaker 6 (43:19):
Okay, you gotta ad Jackie, you gonna do Jackie Robinson Brown.
Speaker 7 (43:24):
And Marcus Allen And one more thing you gotta say, Uh,
show Hey get away from Andrews was worse than the
Yankees stealing them be Rue from the Yankees.
Speaker 6 (43:35):
Thanks having the weekend?
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Good call, Mitch. Yeah, which is worse Yankee stealing Babe
Ruth from the brit Socks or the Dodgers getting show
Hey from the Angels.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Right now, right now, it's probably the Yankees stealing Babe
Ruth right now. Yeah, a couple more years, it will
open to the Dodgers. Jackie Robinson is the interest team
Mone he threw out there. Yeh is u c l
A y U c l A run back to sport
athletes try and change, change baseball.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Forever u C l A. Yeah, I can't even leave
him off the list.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
I think the most ardent Lebron fan would not would
not put him on this list. With all due respect
to Lebron James, you know.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Yeah, maybe the greatest basketball player of all Mitch do that.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Mitch do that in there, didn't.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Not not in l A. Yeah, when we come back,
Jack Harris of the Times joins us, we'll let him
weigh in on that. And when the Dodgers are moving forward,
what would make more sense of trained or free agency,
Okay, let's go. We've got a two hour show today,
Fred Rogan, Rodney Pete on a five to seventy LA Sports.
Jack Harrisill joined the program at one o'clock and Rodney,
we do need in a few minutes to get into show.
Hey Otani and winning the MVP once again, and the
question will become, is he in the conversation already for
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best athlete in LA Sports history? For Dodger franchise history.
He only has two titles so far, but no one
else can boast for MVP awards. So we're gonna get
to that. But now let's start with this. And as
we progress through the off season, the Dodgers mentioned in
many possible free agent acquisitions. Here's the question, given what
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they have, given their talent and their depth, could it
be possible here that rather than signing somebody, would it
be more advisable to go out and trade for somebody.
You wouldn't have to sign a guy of a five year,
two hundred million dollar deal, use some of your assets,
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because you've got an awful lot of them, and perhaps
go out and trade somebody for somebody. What do you
think of that?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Well, I mean, obviously there's got to be a lot
of factors involved, and you got to look at the details.
Is a guy on the last year of his trade
deal or his deal, or is he in the last
two years of his deal, three years of his deal?
What does that look like? Because if you trade for
somebody and you give up your assets, as we all know,
you want to make sure you can sign that guy again,
or that guy is going to play for you multiple years.
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You don't want to give up a prospect that is
an up and comer that may be a big part
of your future. And you trade for someone and he's
got one year left and all of a sudden he
doesn't like it here, or has a poor year, or
something goes wrong and he decides, hey, I'm moving on.
I'm a free agent. I'm gonna go to the Giant.
So you got to be very careful with that. But
it's not it's not a bad idea. But I think
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when you think about the Dodgers and until they get
a salary cap for it, until the other owners that
are whining that the Dodgers are ruining baseball, I think
the way they've been going about it is absolutely okay.
You can sign free agents. You can sign them to
multi multi year deals for big money. The Dodgers got deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep,
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deep deep pockets, so I don't think it affects them
one way or another. As long as they keep winning championships.
I don't think they care how they do it.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I agree. I agree. Let's look at Let's look at
Stephen Kwan. Now, he was a guy that was mentioned
during the trade deadline plays outfield for the Indians.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
By the way, he's pretty good player. The Guardians fred,
the Guardians, Oh, the Guardians correct. So he's under club
control to twenty twenty seven. He'll become a free agent
in twenty twenty eight. His twenty twenty five deal four million,
one hundred and seventy five thousand dollars, so he'll get
a little more in arbitration for next season. But the
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point is this, here's a guy that you can grab
for two years at a cost controlled price, who could
really help you, who could make a difference. I mean,
is he Cody Bellinger? He might be, He might be
Cody Bellinger. Is he Kyle Tucker? No, he is not
Kyle Tucker, but he could be Cody Bellinger. I mean,
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that's how good he is, and he obviously comes at
a more cost controlled price. And on top of it,
you're not stuck with him for eight years because you don't.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Want to do that. Let me give you another name,
and this was kicked around as well, Brendan Donovan. All right,
Brendan Donovan's a little older than Stephen Kwan, but nonetheless
you could trade for him. Now, what would the Guardians
want for Stephen Kwan? I have to tell you they
want something pretty good. The Dodgers would have to give
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to get. But when you have as much depth as
they do, you would consider it. Let's look at pitching.
Could a machine be part of a deal to the
Guardians for Stephen Kwan? He's young, we know he can pitch,
but really, unless somebody gets hurt, where's he going to pitch?
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So you have to start looking.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Where's he going to pitch for the Dodgers? Right? Is
that what you're saying? Where's he going to pitch? In
the rotation? Well, as we've seen over the last few years,
some of those guys you don't think are gonna get
a lot of innings end up getting a lot of innings.
You know, I think what you're just mentioning Dustin mayfell
in that category this year, right, where is he gonna
fit in? They started using him out of the pen
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a little bit spot starts, but in the big scheme
of things, there was no spot for him in the
starting rotation, and so they ended up trading him away.
I think Imachin, Yeah, could be in that conversation just
like that, with all the arms that they have. But man,
pitching is such a premium and when you got a
guy that has proven and that he can get it done,
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throws upper upper nineties with good stuff, young, live arm
like he has, that's a that's one of those ones
that might keep you up at night that I traded
him away. Now hearing the staff that you have because
injuries happened as we've seen with the Dodgers over the
last few years, especially with the pitching staff.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Ryan River Rhyin will be back this year. Yeah, so
they're gonna have guys coming back. Would you package one
of them in a deal for Stephen Kwan? Maybe? I
think I would, to be very honest with you, would
you send a young prospect, a good pitcher, and somebody
else for Stephen Kwan? How about you have Cleveland got
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a guy they thought that they could insert right into
their rotation right now. That would be very intriguing to them.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, and what did we hear we heard I think
this was this past offseason or when this I guess
that started the season when they start having their pitching
woes the Dodgers, that the Dodgers have an abundance of
pictures sitting in double A and Triple A. Then we
hear that there's a big story came out. I remember
that the Dodgers were loaded when it came to pictures
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and arms. That gave them a lot of leverage if
they needed to. You know, here's my thing on prospects.
That's what they are. Prospects. You never know until they
get here. So I'm more app to say, yeah, okay,
I'll give up this prospect that maybe been killing it
in double A Triple A as opposed to giving up
somebody that I know that has done it on the
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big stage, as emittt she and Jack Dryer. You know
some of the guys that we've Robeleski, who we've seen
come up in big situations and do well. So if
a prospect and they want three prospects down in Oklahoma City.
I'm actually okay with that.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Yeah, I think, well, well, it depends on prospects too.
I understand their suspects until they're big leaguers, but the
Dodgers are really good at you know, there's no way
we're giving up Willie Calhoun. Remember that Willie Calhoun was
slotted for Dodger Stadium. Willie Calhoun was going to be
the man, and at the last minute to make that deal.
I think it was for you, darbish. That year they
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threw in Willie Calhoun. Willie Calhoun went out to be
an average big league player. He was never a superstar.
So just because somebody else in another organization values someone
doesn't mean the Dodgers hold the same value to them,
even if they're in their own organization. I don't think
it'd be a bad idea to put a deal together,
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to be honest with you.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
And you know, the Dodgers know their players better than anybody,
So there might be a guy with the Dodgers. You know,
when we talk about organization in farm systems, the Dodgers
do it better than anybody. There's always two or three
guys or even more than that thread that are down
there that people they keep your eye on that guy.
He may not be at the top of the list
of a prospect or whatever, but keep an eye on
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that guy. And we're not gonna let that guy go
because you watch he's gonna be a superstar. And he
may not be as highly regarded or rated as some
of the guys ahead of him, But the Dodgers know
their people better than anybody else, so there's a number
of those guys as well. But yeah, it might not
be a bad idea. I just wouldn't give up certain
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guys that are on your current roster that you've seen,
especially young pitchers that you've seen do well in big spots.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
But what if you had to give up one? Yeah,
for Stephen Kwant, I think I would make that trait.
I do.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I think I'd make that trait if I only had
to give up one. Okay, So what's your limit? Yeah,
you've been on the soapbox about this. What's your limit
on deals? Now? Signing a guy? Is your limit? Four years?
Five years? What's your limit that you would never go
past four years or five years? Which one is it?
Let's say five years, let's go five You would say
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five years is your limit? So you would never sign
anybody more than five years.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
That's how I would try to operate. Are there exceptions
to the rule, Otani? Yes, there are exceptions, but in
general terms, it'd be five years. We'll give you five
and after five, if you're good, you know what's gonna happen,
you're gonna stay right here with us.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Look at what's happening though, fred we just read this
off yesterday. Dodgers don't have one player as the highest
paid player at their position, correct, not one? Right? And
when you look at the contracts, you know, obviously ol
Tani's an outlier. He's a different, different animal together. But
when you look at the contracts of Freddie, Blake, Snell,
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Mookie even and I wouldn't even say Ya'm a Moto
given his age, you don't think that in what is
this year five that Muki's been here that if right
now his contract is looking very very favorable for the
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Dodgers because of inflation, and as time goes on, in
two years from now, that contract is gonna look very
favorable to the Dodgers. And I think that's the way
they look at it, is that down the road, the
way the salaries have jumped you know, you offer a
guy a ten year deal. Okay, yeah, it's ten years.
You might have some diminishing returns in year seven, eight, nine,
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and ten, but for six of those years, seven of
those years, you're gonna get some real quality play. Plus
at year seven, that contract is gonna be and that
average salary is gonna be average from the time you
sign it to the time seven years from now is
gonna be average. It looks like a bargain for Freddie
Freeman right now.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Well, and what I would do, and I don't know
if they do this or not, I'm being honest, and
we kind of kicked it around yesterday. I think i'd
front low these things. So if you've got ten your
first five, you're really going to get paid or you're
gonna get all your money in the end. Don't get
me wrong, but as we go down the years, you
make less per year, same total, but as you're making less,
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that gives us a chance to go out and get
somebody to help you in those final years. I think
I would do that. Rod.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Now, well, what they've been doing, the way they've engineered this,
and we've talked about this and the deferred money, and
people have argued about the doctors doing that even though
everybody can do it. Guys like Freddie, guys like muki
Otani's the biggest example, making two million dollars per year,
and that's all that's counting against the payroll. Is deferring
their money years down the road when these guys are
not even going to be playing anymore. So instead of
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even front loading a contract, a lot of the money
that these guys will be making is going to be
made years after they're even gone. So the fact that
Mookie's making what twenty four million dollars this year, whatever
it is, if that's supposed to be thirty four, part
of that is just kicked down the road until twenty
forty or whatever it is. And that's kind of the
way the Dodgers have been doing it. And that's why
they're able to have these guys at these salaries because
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on a regular market deal, Freddie, Mookie, all these guys
are making well over thirty five forty million dollars per season,
but because their money's deferred, they're not doing that.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah. Absolutely, And if you're a club like the Dodgers
that have very solid ownership with deep pockets and ain't
going anywhere they got. You know, I'm nine hundred billion
dollars in under management in the company or more than
that that that money is well secure, so you don't
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have to worry about that. Whether they're a club or
a team. I don't know if it's Baseball, but I
think it is that got involved with the deferred money
and now they had trouble paying that individual.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
That was Arizona. Back when they were their World Series team.
They deferred a lot of money with Randy Johnson and
Shilling and a lot of those guys, and they didn't
have the money in escrow to cover it, right, So
Baseball actually changed their rules so that teams they have
to basically vet teams to make sure they have money
and esco to cover the amount they're deferring.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
That was Jerry Colangelo right when he ran the Diamondback.
Smart guy, but you gotta have the money to pay.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Him otherwise it's good. But you're right, Kevin, that is
that is a way to do it. Again. Everybody can
do that, not just the Dodgers. So just the Dodgers
are smarter in the way they do business, and they're
more secure long term and their and their budget and
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their money and how they're gonna pay guys, and the
guys feel secure about that, which it again is a
is an advantage for the Dodgers because people know that.
Now if you're you know, one of these teams that
cried broke, like the Chicago Cubs, and they say, hey,
we wanted the first seventy five percent of your money
and we'll pay you down the road and you'll get it,
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you know, starting two years after you retire, basically, and
you're looking up in the Cubs and the guys saying,
we're just trying to break even.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Remember that guy, remember that?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I don't know. I'm like, no, I want all my money.
I want all my money, and this eight year contract
and when that eight years is up, I want to
make sure I have all my money. I'm not looking
for any deferrals.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Yeah, well, if you're playing for the Cubs, you are,
I'll tell you that. Yeah, mister, I want to break even?
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Which bother on?
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Is it money?
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Buy that? No, you're in Chicago, you have your own
TV deal. No, I mean really breaking even?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
What's your definition of breaking even? What does that mean?
How much you're actually gonna make? Because you can't How
could you lose money in Chicago.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah, yeah, it doesn't make any sense. They're not Pittsburgh, Cincinnati,
where you know it's plausible. But even still there's look
what they call it cooking the books read there's no
way in Chicago with their own TV deal, they basically,
(14:57):
I would guess I don't know that numbers, but I
would guess they're in the top five to seven in
attendance every single year with the Cubs. It's a it's
a global brand and he's just trying to break even.
That doesn't make sense at all.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Cubs a year, sixth, sixth in attendance this year.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Yeah they're fine. Come on, they're fine. And here's the deal.
If you're running a business and it's really in trouble,
I mean really really, you are losing money, you are struggling,
you're on the verge of bankruptcy. You cannot cook the books.
You can't. It's all there for everybody to see. But
any accountant will tell you, you know, what, what do you
(15:37):
needed to say? What do you wanted to say? Because
we can figure out how to make it that way.
We can show how you're losing money, but you made
one hundred million dollars. But we can show that absolutely,
and then it comes into tax implications and things like that.
So that's what you mean, Rodney, by cooking the books.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah, you can make it say whatever you want. Just
like I did a show a long time when we
did the National Rogan's Zero Show, and it was for
MCA Universal, and I talked to the ratings guys, said,
how are the ratings? He said, they're pretty good. He said,
you know what, here's how I operate. You get a two,
I'll figure out a way to get you four. Don't
worry about it. I know how to do this kind
of thing. So you can make numbers say whatever you want.
(16:20):
And you can make research say whatever you want as well.
It's like when they do research projects, you know, they
can make that research say whatever they want because the
research is determined by the questions you ask. Here's an example.
When you get up in the morning, do you want
to know what the weather is? Yeah? I do good,
(16:40):
We'll put weather on nine times on local TV in
an hour. We'll take care of that. Hey, do you
really care about local sports that much?
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Eh?
Speaker 1 (16:47):
You know, I can take it or leave it. Okay, Fine,
we'll give it less time and put it at the
end of the show. It's confirmation bias. It's how you
ask questions. Same thing with accounting. A good account and
can make the books say whatever they need to say.
Not a problem. So if the owner in Chicago's saying, man,
we're just trying to break even, what does that mean?
(17:09):
You're trying to break even? Well, I gotta be honest
with you. You're doing a little better than that. You're
doing a little better, little bit. Or when he says
we're just trying to break even, what is his break
even point? What does break even mean? You see?
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yeah, Like, what do you mean? What does break even mean?
Does break even mean? I gotta I gotta show at
least I gotta have at least a U what thirty
million dollar profit? That break even? To me?
Speaker 1 (17:41):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah, there's a threshold that he is. He is loud
himself with his team that we have to profit X
Y Z, and I'm calling that breaking even.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Right. You know what we gotta do. We gotta make it.
We gotta make eighty five million bucks. We gotta make
eighty five So we're just struggling to do that, by
the way, that's break even in his mind. That's not
the two hundred million dollars they made. He just wanted
to break even. Let's say the break even playing was
one hundred million. We got to break even. That's one
(18:12):
hundred million dollars. You see how they do that. So
you have to be very careful when people say those
kinds of things and really think about what they mean.
Now we have to get to our discussion topic. I
don't know is that the Mount Rushmore of LA Sports show.
(18:35):
Hey Otani already in the conversation for best athlete in
LA sports history? Is he? Let's talk about that?
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Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah, I don't care. It is Friday and it's a
rainy Friday. Man, we really don't care. This is where
you want to just snuggle up and listen to Rogan
and Ridney all day long.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Freddy, all right, well, as you're listening, ponder this, noodle this,
if you would noodle this another MVP for show? Heo Tani? Nanimous?
Not even close on one quick second? How did the
Angels let that guy go? Oh my god, he is
(19:47):
a money generating machine. Heap. There's no bigger draw. I
would say there's no bigger draw in sports than Shoe Tani.
He's Tiger Woods, He's Michael Jordan, He's a championship boxer
that sells out. There is no bigger draw in sports
(20:08):
than sho Hey o Tani. How in the world did
you let him get away? In any event, he wins
another MVP award, He's got four of them. Of course,
playing in Los Angeles is a bit different than playing
in Orange County. But when you consider four MVPs the
(20:29):
World Series since he came, I think you have to
start to think about, is he go down on the
Mount rushmore? Is he one of the best athletes in
LA sports history? Could he be in the conversation what
it's all said and done to be the very best?
And I'll tell you there's some very stiff competition. Good
friend of yours, Rodney Magic Johnson, I think he's got
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to be in that conversation. I think Kobe Bryant has
to be in that conversation. Some may at Kareem some
my ad shack. They already are Kobe and Magic for sure, okay.
And they brought five titles to to l A a
piece and multiple m v P. I don't know how many.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Finals MVP Kobe had, but I know Magic had a
couple of them, and then league MVPs they you know,
both of them. I think I had a couple of them. Uh,
not to mention the year and year out of how
many finals they actually went to. You know, we we
(21:34):
we chalk up and here in LA we think about
the wins, right, it's not about how many you went to.
You think about the wins. But but you know, you
think about in the eighties, Magic went to five, but
they also lost a couple, so I think he went
to seven or eight total. And and then same Kobe
lost to the one year to the to the Pistons
and one year to the UH to the Celtics. So
(21:58):
he's been there several times, and you know, you just
got to go through it. I you know, certainly he's
on that trajectory. He's on that trajectory. I wouldn't say
I can't put him ahead of those two guys. I
don't know if I can put him ahead of of
Kareem either, because with Kareem you do have to go
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back to the UCLA days what he did. What he
did at UCLA as well, and when you're talking about
LA sports, so does not discount that. So those three
guys for sure, you know, And then I was thinking
about what about what about guy like like Marcus Allen,
(22:42):
you know, National title at USC, Heisman Trophy at USC,
super Bowl title with the Raiders, super Bowl MVP with
the Raiders, all here in LA. That's a pretty good
resume too. Hall of fame in the top I think
Top two and three, and touchdowns in the NFL. So
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he's got to be high on that list. I know
he's kind of a forgotten guy and the way it
worked out with the Raiders, but still you look back
and really dial into his accomplishments as an LA athlete,
it's pretty impressive. So yes, yes, Otani is certainly on
his way. And it's almost like Otani gets a little
(23:27):
bit maybe and he shouldn't when you go through the
totality of it. But a lot of folks he played
for the Angels, Fritt, they forgot he spent six years,
it was six, right, six years with the Angels. One
two MVPs there, right, But it's it's almost getting to
(23:51):
the point where people forget that he actually played for
the Angels. And that's how sad that organization is when
they can't find a way to maximize a guy like Otani.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, it is sad. It is sad. And then you
look at what he's accomplished, and it's I mean, he
was very good with the Angels, very successful with the Angels,
but he comes here and he's exploded. He was that
kind of player there he didn't have any support around him. No,
But here, with the brand that the Dodgers have, it's
a whole new ball game. What is our criterry?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Can you look up how many what was his What
are the most home runs he hit with the Angels?
Speaker 3 (24:34):
I believe it was forty four, but give me a second,
fifty though, right, I don't think he ever hit over
fifty until he got to the Dodgers.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Right, So back to back years, over fifty home run.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Yeah, his last year at the Angels he had forty four.
That was excuse me, So in twenty twenty one he
actually hit forty six. Okay, so forty six before he
got to the Dodgers was his high.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
In twenty twenty he also hit forty four with the
Angels as well.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
His final year he hit forty four.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Right, Yeah, that's pretty incredible. Yet those years are not
they're they're like they feel such a distance ago, light
years ago that he was even with the Angels. But
you can't you can't forget those because he won two
MVPs with the Angels and that's still that's still la
(25:20):
that counts. Yeah, definitely, that counts. What's the criteria for
being on this list? Number of titles? Number of MVPs?
Is the criteria? Just the name you made in the
marketplace and how people look at you? I mean, would
Fernando make a list like this?
Speaker 1 (25:40):
He certainly transcended the sport, changed the way people viewed
Dodger baseball, introduced an entirely new culture to the game,
brought in an entirely new fan base to the game.
Would he be on this list when we talk about
things like right, it depends on what your criteria is.
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
What is it his influence in the city, how you know,
your impact on the city, not just championship, because Fernando.
I mean when you talk about changing the culture of
a city and the passion of a city and the
people rallying behind someone, not many bigger than Fernando. At
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that period of time, it was mania, and they call
it Fernando Mania. You know, Magic Johnson coming in for
the Lakers and winning in year one a title for
the Lakers to start the Showtime era took the city
by storm. You know. Kobe's kind of involvement kind of
was a little bit slower and it was kind of
a build up that he got to be that to
(26:46):
that level. But Magic and Fernando came on the scene
immediately had an immediate impact on this city. And so
is that part of the criteria as well?
Speaker 3 (26:57):
How about this? I mean Jerry West who did in
multiple levels phenomenal player, multiple times to the finals, won
one championship at the very end, but then was the
architect of those Showtime Lakers as the general manager, and
then the architect of the Kobe Shack Lakers too. Before
he pieced out and went to Memphis.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
I don't maybe they do. I don't know if people
give him enough credit.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
They don't. I feel like a lot of times this
sort of thing is discussed, people don't talk about Jerry
West enough.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
No they don't. They don't. And they look at you
know those I mean, you look at this, how many
times they went to the finals and they just happened
to run into the juggernaut Celtics. They were in the
finals every every other year almost, and you know, couldn't
get over that hump. And but man, that was that
(27:47):
was as as dominant as run as we've seen without
winning titles that the Lakers had in the sixties and
early seventies.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
One in eight in the finals, yeah, Jerry West with
the Lakers. One in eight, Yeah, MVP of the finals
in one year that they lost, by the way.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
How about that? Is he the only one that's ever
won MVP and a losing on the losing team. Yes, yes,
that's incredible, all right. When you look at nine titles
he went, I mean nine finals he went to.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Well, maybe he should be on the list. People oftentimes
in this situation say we got to mention wayn Gwetzky. Well,
he certainly the Kings existed, but he put them on
the map when he got here. He didn't win a
Stanley Cup. Here, would he be considered one of those
It should be on this list, honestly, And hockey's my
(28:45):
favorite sport. On this list, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
No, No, you know you're talking about changing attitude. Yes,
if that's the list and that's the only criteria, yeah,
because he certainly put hockey on the map in LA
when he came. But that's that's really the only category
I think that he could. He could, You could convince
(29:09):
anybody that that's what he belongs. But if you're talking
about there's five different criterias for it, and winning is
one of them, you can't put him in the list
with Magic and Kobe and and you know who else
we talked.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
About, even Fernando. If Fernando won two Nando titles with
the with the Doctors, even if if Chrisky had won
one Stanley Cup, I think it would it would change
a lot. But the fact that he never won one
I think kind of edges him out of that list.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Yeah, in the city of Champions, you'd have to win,
you have to win one at least.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Okay, so that's that's part of the criteria. Yeah, Kevin,
are we leaving anybody off that pops into your mind?
Smush Parker?
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Oh yeah, and Chris Mim Of course I got to
throw him in there, that group or our guy. But Benjamin,
how can we leave him out of there?
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (29:58):
My god? The Hall of Famers? Yeah, we have to
do another list.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
One day, because if you're talking about moments, moments, yeah,
and that there's several guys. Kirk Gibson would be a
moment and Dodger history that leaves you know, it's on
the Mount Rushmore of moments. But he only played that
first game. Will he hit the home run?
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Right, and that's that's recognized as the greatest sports moment
in LA history?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Right? In moments, it's different, right, In moments it's different.
All right, Well, let's hear what people think. Eight six, six, nine,
eighty seven, two, five seventy. Here's what we'll do. You
want to do the top four? That might that might
be too difficult, that might be too hard. What would
do the top five? Okay, you know Mount Rushmore plus one,
(30:47):
Let's do that because the top four is I think
it's too difficult. Who should be up there and it
starts with this O Tani already in the conversation for
best athlete in LA sports history, and that would be fair.
It's early, but that would be a fair assessment. So
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Speaker 1 (32:45):
Okay, so Mount Rushmore plus one trying to figure out,
given where Sho hey o Tani is right now, does
he already qualify to be up there in the greats
of La sports?
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Joel, go ahead? Now you think O'tani does belong there?
But you think someone else is missing? Joe you there, Joe,
I'm here.
Speaker 7 (33:12):
I'm here, Fellas, I'm here. Can you hear me?
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Yeah, So you think Otani? Yes, but someone's missing.
Speaker 7 (33:19):
People gotta forget the late great Al Davis. Just win baby,
people forget LA claims the Raiders, and the Raiders seems
they've stepped in town when they moved from Oakland, LA
claimed them. When they went back to Oakland, LA claimed
them when they went to Las Vegas. LA still claims them.
That is someone that is very crucial to the fandom.
(33:41):
And hear the Mount Rushmore. Look, I'm sorry Raider fans,
even when they're hot garbage, they still cheer for their Raiders.
The Raiders are tremendous for LA and Al Davis did
something that will never will never see again. But yeah,
shee journey. He's an dreddible athletes.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Thanks Shell, appreciate it. Okay, Yes, I know, Tony. Uh,
I can't sign off on Al Davis and I liked
Al Davis by the way, But Rodney, I can't sign
off on him. He came, he La, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
He came. They won a Super Bowl while they were
in LA. Certainly brought a lot of attention. Uh, it
was it still is the most popular team in LA
football team I should say so. Yeah, the brand, he built,
the brand, it's incredible. But if you're going to mention him,
(34:37):
I think his influence, his biggest influence too, was the
years in Oakland of him, you know, battling the league
and creating the Raiders in Oakland, that bad boy image
in Oakland and all of those things. I think. Yes,
LA fans love the Raiders here, but they are I
(34:58):
think they still the Oakland Raiders to me, Yeah, I
would agree. Although and although as mark as the Oakland Raiders.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
To be there. If you were of a certain age
when the Raiders moved here.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
It was all in town. That was it.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
They are your team, Yes, they are your team. If
you were in high school that that range. When the
Raiders moved here, they're your team. It's like they never
played in Oakland. When they went back to Oakland, it's
like that was the first time they moved there. That's
how people looked at him. All right, Rick and San Pedro, Okay,
you've got Otani. Who else do you think?
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Oh, you got to go to the genesis, to the
beginning of all this greatness in la And you gotta
mention Sandy Kofax seven years a starter, five World Series,
three championships, dominated the game, and he's Jewish.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
I think you're right, he's Jewish.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
All right, well, I guess that doesn't hurt s Well,
I has some matza. We'll take it.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Yeah, well, hi him, Thanks Rick? Thanks? Uh Yeah. I
think Sandy Kofax probably deserves the spot there, Rodney. But
you see, now it's getting tight.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Now.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Our problem is it's getting tight because we're actually adding
people that deserve the chance to be there, and we're
gonna run out of room fast. If we're only picking
five Keana in the OC. Okay, you like Otani? Who
else do you like?
Speaker 8 (36:34):
I'm so happy to meet you guys, Thank you, thank you. Anyway,
I have five guys.
Speaker 9 (36:40):
Magic.
Speaker 8 (36:40):
I used to watch him at the Forum against Larry Bird.
Was very happy when he retired. So Magic, Kobe, Wilt, Chamberlain,
Jerry West, and Fernando and I really like John Wooden.
So you can kick off any one of those other
guys except not Magic. But I love John Wooden.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Yes, yes, thank you for calling.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Good call John Wooden.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
That was a major omission on our part.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yes, yes, but they went eighth straight something like that. Remarkable,
just he was simply remarkable. He redefined college basketball, he
redefined the sport, the Wizard of Westwood. You cannot leave
him off. Yeah, he's gotta be there. Ke On a
good pull.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Wilt, though I don't know they can put Wilt on.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
That can't put Will before Kareem, Well, can't put Wilt
before Kareem.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
I guess Wilt's claim the fame as I guess he
helped that, you know, Elgin, Jerry West, that team get
over the hump and win a championship.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
But that was only one.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Yeah, that was that was one and he was here
for what five years? So I don't know if I
can put Wilton that conversation.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Okay, uh, Albert and Whittier. So you say, Ohtani's in
the conversation, but you have a few others. Who are
those others?
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Well?
Speaker 4 (37:58):
Yeah, so Connie belongs up there. And I also like
Kersheiser because he carried that eighty eighteen through two powerhouses.
But the most important guy was born and raised in
La and that's the Golden Boy, Oscar de la Hoya.
He needs to be up there.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Okay, Rod's shaking his head. Yeah, I can buy that.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
I can buy. I can buy him. I can buy.
I don't know who to take off to put him on.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
See now, now, now here's the dilemma. Okay, Oscar de
la Hoya. Let's say he belongs there. Does he belong
there more than John Wooden, Kobe Magic, Sandy kofax Otani?
I mean, who would you take off? Now, if we're
(38:47):
talking top ten, that's a different story. But we're talking
the very top right now. He's certainly got to be
in the top ten. Let's go Joe in Foothill Ranch,
all right, Joe. So I'm sorry, Jose in Foothill Ranch. Jose,
You've got Otani on the list, but you have others
on the list as well, right.
Speaker 10 (39:09):
Yeah, so very hard, guys, thanks for having me. Is
very very tough. We've I mean, we're blessed to have
these many great star throughout history in LA for me,
I mean obviously Kobe Bryant, Magic Johnson, Sandy Kolfex, fernand Vevenzuela,
and Otani's already there.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
So five.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
I like it. That's we came up with those as well.
Let's go Patrick and Whittier. Patrick, you're saying Otani's definitely on.
Speaker 9 (39:38):
The list, right, Yeahani's on the list. Kobe Bryant obviously
not only because he you know, the mamba on the offense,
but defensively, he definitely was number one in that category.
So two way player, Otani, Kobe Aaron Donald wired. Aaron
(40:00):
Donald in his career was just dominant. And when you
look at Mount Rushmore as you're talking about dominant, like,
these are people that were number one in their spot continuously.
So Aaron Donald wire to wire. The fourth one would
have to be definitely Serena Williams from Compton not necessarily
winning in Los Angeles, but she muan all around the world.
(40:25):
LA born and raised the fifth one. I really wanted
to keep this within my generation because I was born
in eighty seven, But in terms of my criteria of
just dominant, I would have to go with the previous
caller and just put number five, John Wooden. So that's
my list, and that's.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Good Lost Patrick, Thanks good lift.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
You know, it's almost like you got to separate nineteen
seventy beyond or something like that, or seventy five and beyond,
because you can go back and there are others. But yeah,
I hear what he's saying on Aaron Donald being dominant.
He played a few years in Saint Louis before they
(41:07):
got here. But I can't put Aaron Donald out there
before Magic Johnson. I can't put Aaron Donald there before
Kareem as dominant as he was. And I love some
Aaron Donald. He was. He needs he and from a
defensive lineman standpoint, he needs to be mentioned the same
(41:28):
name as Reggie White, that's how dominant he was. But
from an LA standpoint, yeah, he can't go ahead of
some of the other names.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Uh okay, And that made me think we left somebody off.
Is he top five? Jerry Boss? I think Jerry Buss
is on that list somewhere. Rodney the owner of the
Lakers when they won all of those titles.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
He certainly would be there before Al Davis when you're
talking about ownership, right.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
M h all, let's go to Compton two more Ryan, Yes,
I Tani? Who else?
Speaker 6 (42:04):
Hey, Philo's how you doing? Definitely yes on a Tani,
But for sure the locks are Magic Johnson and Kobe Bryant.
You gotta have Fernando on it as well, just based
off of this impact. And then you can't forget about
Lisa Leslie, you know, Morningside High School up in Inglewood,
to USC to the Sparks. Just the overall impact that
she had on the city.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
I love it, you know in the card up before Yeah,
I mean, how do you not have Serena the most
dominant tennis player ever? And then if you're gonna talk Serena,
don't you got to include Billy Jean King.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
She's gotta be there.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Billy Jean King, Long Beach, Long Beach, Polly. I mean, yeah,
it's hard when you start thinking about it. There's some
pretty prominent folks coming through La Billy Jean changed the game.
She changed the game and then Serena took it to
a different level and her dominance when her when in
(43:03):
her reign. So it's hard not to. Yeah, you can't
keep Serena off of that.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Let's go Mitchell Mitch in New Jersey to Rapids. Mitt
All right, Mitchell, Tiny's on the list, go fast. Who else?
We're fine, Thank you, ran great fight on.
Speaker 6 (43:19):
Okay, you gotta ad Jackie, you gonna do Jackie Robinson Brown.
Speaker 7 (43:24):
And Marcus Allen And one more thing you gotta say, Uh,
show Hey get away from Andrews was worse than the
Yankees stealing them be Rue from the Yankees.
Speaker 6 (43:35):
Thanks having the weekend?
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Good call, Mitch. Yeah, which is worse Yankee stealing Babe
Ruth from the brit Socks or the Dodgers getting show
Hey from the Angels.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Right now, right now, it's probably the Yankees stealing Babe
Ruth right now. Yeah, a couple more years, it will
open to the Dodgers. Jackie Robinson is the interest team
Mone he threw out there. Yeh is u c l
A y U c l A run back to sport
athletes try and change, change baseball.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Forever u C l A. Yeah, I can't even leave
him off the list.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
I think the most ardent Lebron fan would not would
not put him on this list. With all due respect
to Lebron James, you know.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Yeah, maybe the greatest basketball player of all Mitch do that.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Mitch do that in there, didn't.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Not not in l A. Yeah, when we come back,
Jack Harris of the Times joins us, we'll let him
weigh in on that. And when the Dodgers are moving forward,
what would make more sense of trained or free agency,
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