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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, here we go, Fred Rogan Rodney Pete on
a five to seventy LA Sports. All right, Rodney, have
you been to the doctor? Are you taking your medication?
Are you still going through withdrawals? I am, Fred, I am.
And I don't say that lightly, Freddie, I am going
through withdrawals. I really am. Yesterday, you know, we talked
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about a little bit on the air, but last night again,
and I blame Major League Baseball and MLB Network and
Fox and Spectrum and all of them, because they keep
replaying everything, Fred, They keep replaying everything. And once you
flip the channel and you see that it's Game three
and it's the third inning of Game three, and they're
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doing a quick repost or recast of the game, it's
hard to flip the channel, even though, excuse me, even
though you know the outcome and the ending and you
know what happens, there's a feeling of anticipation of what happens.
And I don't know how long that's going to last,
but it's it's certainly still there. Well, it's gonna last
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for everybody at least another day here, because tomorrow with
three we're replaying Game seven, and you know what, I'll
just respond like.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
This, thank you, You're welcome. Done. Done.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
We're replaying at tomorrow with three, so everybody can relive
the memories because you just can't stop watching it. You
just don't want to playing us on the radio at three? Yeah,
is that what we're doing. That's what we're doing also
in the iHeartRadio app. So anywhere in the country you're listening,
sit back tomorrow afternoon and relive Game seven because that
(01:37):
is that. It'll be a special treat.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
All right.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
So the business at hand for the Dodgers now is
where do we go? How do we move forward? What
if any changes need to be made? By the way,
Dylan Hernandez Rodney will be on the show at one
o'clock today, we'll talk about it with him. But what
changes need to be made, what adjustments? Who might be gone,
who might come in? Let's start with who's staying, because
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we just got worded a few minutes ago and I
thought it was pretty much a no brainer anyway, But
it's confirmed. The club picked up Max months he's options,
so he will be back next year. That would have
been stunning if they had let him go. I think
he's gonna make ten million dollars. I do know that
there was a Japanese third baseman who hits the ball
pretty well and is younger, and he's going to be
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available this year, but the Dodgers are going to stick
with Max for another season.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, there's a what I heard was there's three pretty
big time Japanese prospects. They're gonna post this this offseason.
But uh yeah, And I know for the regular fan
and regular person, ten million dollars there is a lot
of money, but in baseball terms, and for what Max
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months he brings to the table, I think that's relatively cheap.
And I think that was a no brainer for the
Dodgers to go and and pick it up for ten
million dollars because he is as tough as season as
it was for him up and down, being injured, coming back.
He means so much to that lineup. We said it
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all year long. They're a different team when Max Munsey's
in the lineup. And of course Game seven, he is
the big, gigantic home run. Everybody talks about, you know,
the Mickey row and and and also Will Smith's home run,
But Max Munsey's home run, I believe it was in
the wasn't in the eighth that cut it to one run.
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That puts you really in striking distance. That was a
big one, and that was a demoralizer. It didn't skin
the back of the fence that went out in the
upper deck. I mean it was a definite bomb off
of their big time reliever. And I know it was
off of a savage yes, savage right, and they're they're
star and Max hit it and cut that that lead
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them to four to three. That was a big time,
big time hit and big time home run. So it
doesn't shock me at all that they brought him back.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Ten million dollars. He outperforms this deal in major League
Baseball terms. Yes, he outperforms this deal, meaning it's a
good deal, meaning he's back, and quite frankly, he should
be back for all the reasons Rodney stated, and just
what he's meant to the team over the years.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, he can still contribute, all right. Now. That leads
us to Mickey row Keithy Hernandez. We listen.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I don't want anybody to get upset. I know this
is going to be hard to take. I got a
good feeling Michael CONFORDA will not be back. I'm sorry,
don't get upset. I know that's going to crush a
lot of people, but Michael Conforto, he probably will not be.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Back to do that. Well, I'm just saying, so that's
one slot you got to kick a man when he's
down like that. He's okay, he made seventeen million. He'll
come back and play somewhere next year. But he ain't
got to kick him down for it, all right. Anyway,
he had a rough year, Okay, so he won't be
back months he's back.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
So now let's start looking at it. You have Mickey
Rowe in Key k and if you want to make
any of their moves, Oh, who will be the backup catcher? Right,
Vett or Rushing? I gotta tell you, rud Vett did
a pretty good job of representing himself. Rodney he may
have heard that spot most. He made the most of
his opportunity. I mean Rushing what he got banged up
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a little bit. And Rooke that played a lot at
the end of the season. Well not a lot, but
he became the the facto backup catcher and I think
he performed well.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
They got a decision to make with those two.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah, so there, that's a decision They have to make
look around who else will be gone? So you got
to start at shortstop. Are they going to trade Mooky No,
Tommy Edmund no, Freddie no. Tiascar is the second year
of a three year deal. He will be back. Paz
will definitely be back. Kim and I think they need
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to find a place for him to play. He'll be back.
So that means you don't have many spots. It's Key
k or Meggy, one of the other on the other,
what do you mean, well, I mean earning any spots.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
So if you're going to make a move with guys,
you can pick both, you can pick one of the other.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
But I'm thinking that I don't think any one of
those guys are gone. I mean who at this point?
And both are they both up? They're both up? Up? Yeah,
they're up. So both those guys and Kik went and
got his money in Boston, right, He left earlier a
few years back, got paid, did you know, signed a
nice contract, came back to the Dodgers. He knows where
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he is. Same thing with Miggi Roe. Miggi Roe is
this year or one year removed from being a coach
in the league. On its way to being a manager
in this league. And and so he's he's probably got
one year left under his belt, and I don't see
how you don't sign him back just for his contributions,
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not only on the field that he did in the
World Series, but off the field, as everybody talked about
how he's such a vital point and for guys like
Mookie Betts and Freddie Freeman and all those guys in
the infield and the rest of the team. But I
think keyk gives them a friendly deal as well as
not trying to break the bank. So I think both
those guys come back for a reasonable salary for the Dodgers,
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not to not to feel it too much to sign
them back.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
If that's the case in that many changes. Let me
ask you this, and only Miggy row knows for sure.
What if they came to him and said, all right, Miggy,
we want to get you started in the system as
a coach. We know you're going to be there eventually,
and we want to get you started. Do you think
he would step aside and start that portion of his career.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Oh yeah, yeah, I don't think that's out of a realm.
In fact, I put it fifty to fifty right now.
If they said to him, look, we want you to
stay in the Dodger system in some shape or fashion,
and you know, whether that be our defensive coach, or
we put you and you manage, you know, a minor
league team and you're instructional guy in spring training or whatever,
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we put you on the staff. I think that is
a reasonable possibility for Miggy row and I think it's
a reasonable possibility for him to say, Hey, give me
one more year, give me one more year to play,
and I can call it a day, call it my
swan song. I'm not gonna you know, I'm not gonna
go on any kind of tour or anything like that,
but just give me one more year. I like to
play it out knowing this is gonna be my last year.
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I can see both of those scenarios working.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
So obviously the Dodgers have conversations to have with Mickey.
Would you also agree with this. It's gonna be his call,
MIGGI Roe's call. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I don't know what he I don't know what his
salary was this year, but I think that he will,
you know, he will be a commonable for the Dodgers
to make it easy on them to say, look, MIGGI,
we can only offer you this, we love you to
come back. You take it, and he says yes. And
then with the with the caveat of the following year,
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we're gonna we're gonna put you in the in the
coaching ranks and be a part of our system going forward. Yeah,
I see that happening, all.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Right, So let's suck free agents now, uh, because Munsey
is bad. So who's out there? Well, Kyle Tucker's obvious.
I think he's a great player, very fundamentally sound, would
fit in very well with the Dodgers. Didn't have a
great second half last year. He got hurt, he had
hurt hurt, but he's good. He's very good. He's one
of the guys that's really good that you never even
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talk about, one of those kind of good guys.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
But he was. To remember, first half of the year,
everybody was like, oh, Kyle Tucker is about to be
a five hundred million dollar guy. He's the big, big,
gigantic free agent. And then it cooled off and unfortunately,
probably you know, lost himself about one hundred million dollars
on him being injured. In the second half of the
season and cooling off, but still a very I think
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he's still the top out fielder that is out there,
that's that's going to be a free agent.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
So the Dodgers do need an outfielder. So let's start.
That's an opening. Now we found an opening. Kyle Tucker's
a possibility. A question is, and we kind of touched
on it yesterday. How many years? Obviously money's not a concern,
but how many years and realistically, how much can he make?
I mean, you can't give the guy two years, two
hundred million dollars, one hundred million dollars a year, you
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know that can't work. But what you can say is
how many years for how much he's going for the
Grand Slam. Now it's his time, it's his turn, so
you know he's got to be looking at that really long.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Okay, so where do you where does he fall? Does
he fall in the four hundred million dollar range, does
he fall three three hundred million dollar rains two fifty
million dollar Where does Kyle Tucker fall? Now? Because that
makes that makes the decision on how how many years?
That that helps you determine that. Let's go backwards. Let's
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go backwards to me. He falls in five years, that's
where he falls. In five years. Will give you five years.
How old is he gonna be? What late twenty nine,
thirty something like that. Yeah, he's twenty eight, it's twenty eight,
twenty eight. Yeah, six years tops. Oh right, you give
him six six years?
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Yeah, okay, Now let's figure out what that's going to
make him.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
You get six what are we gonna give you? Thirty
five a year? I don't think you go above three
hundred three hundred million dollars, which is thirty million a
year or fifty million a year. Oh no, you can't
give him fifty million a year? No why not? No, no, no, no, no, no, no,
that won't happen. Three hundred million dollars. He's a three
hundrellion dollar guy. No, you don't want to go past
the years like this. He's not a three hundred million
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dollar guy here. No, no, no, he's not. But yeah,
six years, I would say. You're saying average out at
thirty five thirty five, so he's around a little over
two hundred million out of work.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
We'll pay you that he is not a three hundred
million Well maybe he is, but he's not one here. Yeah,
so there's the opening. It's in the outfield. Another name
the fans keep kicking around. They want him back, Cody Bellinger.
I think he's going to resign with the Yankee So
he had a nice year.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
He had a good year and a really good year,
and he's versatile and he can still play, you know,
multiple positions in the outfield, which he did for the Yankees,
which is we've found out. Versatility is very vital. Dodgers
know that and teams are looking at that. But the
fact that he can play multiple in all the positions
in the outfield but also play first base and had
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a good offensive year for them, I don't The Yankees
would be crazy not to sign him back now. Obviously
they can't do it for a ridiculous amount of money,
But you know, people are throwing out his name like
he's you know, one of the top five free agents
that are that are going to come available right now.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
I saw that, Yeah, don Tepachet's available. Good player got healthy.
You saw the impact he made for the Blue Jays
during the World Series. Good player not going to play here,
not going to be There's no where to put out,
there's no there's no place for him, right, There's no
job for him here.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah. And on top of that, I think Toronto would
be foolish not to really try to resign him. Now.
They just they just paid Vlied five hundred million dollars.
But I think Boba Shett made a big time case
for himself in the postseason in the World Series, coming
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back not only just being available to play, but having
an impact, an impact, and and you know, it was
it was pretty remarkable having having that time off and
then being able to do what he did in the
World Series. I mean, he had the three run home run,
you know, in Game seven that put him up and
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you're thinking, oh my god, here we go. But he
is a tremendous player. I think he turns into a
second basement or a third baseman going forward. So then
you go back to, you know, what's the future for
Max Munsey If you think in your you know, Max
Munsey is not going to be here, but they already
signed it for ten million, and then what is the
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future do you go after him? I just don't know
if the Dodgers spend that kind of money on Boba
Schett to come here, because I think he's going to
get big time offers around the league.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Yeah, and there's no place for him. Okay, so he'll
get big time offers. He won't come. Alex Bregman is available, Nope, Okay,
he's done. He's not gonna be here. Not a chance,
not a chance. Let me give you, Let me give
you the wild card. Let me trus this into the mix.
Think about a Dodger fans trek Scoobel. Now here's the issue,
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and Kevin, you correct me if I'm wrong. He's up
at the end of next season. So the Tigers are
trying to get him locked up right now because if
they don't get him locked up, then he becomes Otani. Yep,
they get nothing for him. They get nothing for him,
or move him with the trade deadline. If that's the
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case and you're the Dodgers, do you not step up
and say, Okay, what's.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
It going to take.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
We got a lot of guys here, which ones do
you want? And see if there is a match there,
see if that would happen. Because they'll pay him. That's
not the issue.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
That the Dodgers will pay him. They don't care.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
But I don't think the Tigers are gonna pay him Rodney.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
No, not when they're two hundred million dollars apart already
when they first started talking. Yeah, yeah, I think he's
asking for what, four hundred million dollars something like that.
I think he wants to be and certainly a guy.
What is he? I think he's twenty nine too, somewhere
around there. Yeah, and that deal would have to be
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done before any kind of trade would happen. Right, he's
not you know, they're not going to trade him or
Dodgers's not going to give up something then for rental.
They don't need to. No, No, that would have to
be done. It all have to be agreed to. He's
gonna sign X number of years with the Dodgers for
this much money, Fine, here's the trade. No, that would
have to happen ahead of time. Yeah, but I see
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the Tigers letting him walk. I mean, what is Yamamoto
three hundred million? He's three hundred million. Scooble wants four
hundred million. Yeah, let's knock let's knock Schooble down to
three twenty just because of an inflation anything. Yamamoto I
believe he's not three twenty five, Okay, So let's put
you know we're going to put schoobl at three thirty.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Good, Now you can be the guy. The Tigers were
two hundred million off at the beginning. Let's say now
worst case they're one hundred million off. That's not eight
million dollars, that's one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yeah, and they'll have no choice.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
By the way, if he doesn't sign with them, he
has Otani them they get nothing, and if they get nothing,
it's their own fault.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
And he olds all the cars. You're not trade me
to Cincinnati. You're not. You're not trade me to maybe
even say I'm not going to Philly either. I want
to go out West, Giants, Dodgers, Padre somewhere. I want
to go out west. And so he's he's got all
the cards right now to say, okay, you trade me anywhere,
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but I'm not. I'm not signing long term deal. Only
if it's the Dodgers, and why wouldnety Can you imagine
then they would you talk about people saying they ruined baseball,
not be it, that would be it would be Oh
imagine that staff Schooble, smell Yamamoto, Otani, Oh yeah, Rokies
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is he's coming back to well about glass, Now is
he going to pitch you out there? He's still got
four years left I believe on his deal. Yeah, they'd
be really ruining baseball if the Dodgers traded for school ball.
And I don't know if this could happen, but if
they traded for school ball and signed Kyle Tucker, that
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would be the end of it. That would be the
end of everything. If they did that, I think teams
would rather forfeit than play them in protest to what happened.
I think people will go, we're just not playing you. No,
this is insane.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
If they had that pitching staff, yeah, and it's unhittable basically,
I mean think about that. That would be And I
don't even know if the commissioner would let that happen,
to be honest. If they got terreed Scooble, you think
they step in, they step in and say this is
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this you guys can't do this. Don't do that to us.
It might be one of those please don't do this
to us. They're gonna stop them. I don't think they
can stop them, but they go, you got a minute
jump on a call, real quick. Hey, let's let's all
think about this for a minute, because if you do this,
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I would say ninety five percent of the teams in
baseball would immediately bitch.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
I mean strongly and loudly that they bitch at baseball.
They bitch at the Tigers for even doing that, entertaining
that they would bitch at Rob Manfred.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
All the teams would bitch it Rob Manfred. The Tigers
would have to turn around and go, we hear you,
we hear you, but look what we got in return,
whatever that means, look well and to get scoople And
if it's the Dodgers, it's not the old two good
prospects and a mediocre one, it won't be that.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
They They will come hunting. They will want guys that
can play.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, because if you take him off that roster, you
are gutting them like a fish. You're gutting them, and
you're telling everybody in Detroit.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Do you think they go try to because we you know,
obviously just talked about who's signing back and they're they're
starting lineup is pretty good and still most of them
on the contract. Do you think that they give up
any starters or do they just go gut the farm
system of the Dodgers.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
I don't know if the Dodger farm system, because they're
the Dodgers, has enough for them. And I don't mean
because they don't have the players, Rodney. I'm saying because
if they were to do something like this, you would
have to justify it by going, yeah, but look at
this return.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Nobody could turn this down.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Like two top prospects and a guy in rookie ball
is not going to get it done. So they would
have to get a guy like who like Munzaki? Oh god, well, no,
Sazaki's not going anywhere.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Zaki can't go anywhere.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You know who's available? Tanner,
Scott Tanner, Scott, will Climb, Will Climb, Consolin, Yeah, maybe
maybe Emma sheehan throw him in. Yeah, you know, you
would have to get too, at least two pitchers that
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can pitch tomorrow. Not well, this guy in two years
will be pretty good. No, they're gonna have to pitch tomorrow.
So they'll take two of those. They'll take a position
player that can hit, they take one of the catchers, right,
they'll take rushing, throw him in. So two good pitchers,
rushing a guy that can hit right now, Munsie. I
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don't want him to go. I'm just trying to figure
this out.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
One year deal, ten million bucks. It'd be a Monsier
Tommy Edmund. Right, Tommy Edmund's not going anywhere. Why wouldn't
he go anywhere?
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Because he can play every position, because he's cost effective,
because he plays exactly the way that Dodgers like to play.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
He's a very good Dodger. All right, let's do this?
Would you do this? Yeah? But you got those guys, right,
If they really wanted Tommy Edmund, then you think about
who you got for TV. You still got Kik. You
got Kim, and you got Kim that fits the mole
of of the role like a Tommy Edmond would play.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Okay, so it's gonna be Emmic Sheen. I love when
we play this game. We're always wrong, Emmit Sheen. Another
pitcher that can pitch tomorrow. Whoever that other pitcher is?
And no it's not Sazaki, He's not going. So it's
Emmit Sheen, another pitcher Edmund rushing and one more guy
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a prospect. I mean it might be you know, the
Jack Dryer and the Roboleski guys. I mean it may
throw have to throw those guys in. One of those
guys in could be I don't know, I don't know
where their contract stands, but yeah, it would be definitely
another quality pitcher, another quality arm. No, that's in addition
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to the other guy that can pitch the starter Emmitt
she and another starter and then Robleski or Jack Dryer, uh,
Tommy Edmund and Rushing. Would you pull the trigger if
you're the Tigers on that deal, you got two pitchers
and a reliever and two position players, five guys.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
That can play, right, you would have to. If you're
the Tigers, you would have to. You're not gonna get
a better deal than that from anybody then you you know,
if you don't, then you're in the neo Tomy mode.
Who's going to give you a better deal than that?
I don't think anybody plays. Nobody's got the quality like
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the Dodgers do or the depth. Yeah, that's the issue here,
it's the depth. I mean pretty much, this is really funny.
Well pretty much, the Dodgers can have any free agent
they want and just sign them. That's not a problem.
What do you really think about it? If they want
to trade for.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
A guy, if they want the guy, they can do
that too, because they have the depth. Now, whether they
want to use that depth there's another issue.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
But they have it. They can do anything they want. Hey, school,
I don't know who his agent is, sure it's their guy,
but hey, whatever offer comes your way. You know, don't
sign a long term deal because we're gonna sign you
in next year. There's always that. Just wait a year. Yeah,
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there's always that. They can send you wherever they want to.
They can send you wherever they want. They're gonna send
you to Cleveland. They're gonna send you wherever they are,
not the Cleveland because it's sending the same division. But
they'll send you to a National League team maybe in
the you know, in the hunt, Cincinnati continues to be
pretty good, and they're in there, they're in the mix,
and they trade you to Cincinnati and at the deadline, okay,
(25:11):
just play it out because we got we got you
the next year, we got.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
You in the off season. And it's that simple. You
know what, Go go enjoy yourself right then. We don't
have to give up anything, right, but we'll just see you.
We'll see you down the road.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
By the way.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Yes, his agent is Scott Boris, who notoriously does not
allow his free agents. I say allow, but you know
he works for them, but either way does not is
not a fan of his free agents signing the extensions.
He wants them all to hit the market.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yep. So that being the case, very unlikely unless it
is the Dodgers that he would go to somewhere and
sign a long term deal. Oh you mean unless meet
the trade. Yeah? With the trade, Oh no, because Scott
wants them to hit the market and wants it to
be a bidding one.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Regardless of who he gets traded to. Scott's going to
convince him to be to be a free agent.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah, unless the Dodgers and.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
The Yankees and the Mets go crazy and say, yeah,
well we'll give you what you need. That now, I'll
tell you the Yankees could be a landing spot.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
I think even with that, I think he I think
Boris wants a bidding war. Regardless say this person. They
might offer you the moon, right, someone else might offer
you the stars. Yeah, I think it might not matter who.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
But wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
He pulled the trigger in two seconds on Blake Snell
because the Dodgers met the deal.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Boom done. Let's take care of it.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
I've never seen Scott Boris sign a client that fast
as you did with Blake.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
There's obviously back door negotiations and stuff that happens before, and.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I think Blake Snell said, I don't want to be
a Dodger. I don't care what it takes make that happen.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yeah, that's what happened years ago with Jared Weaver with
the Angels. Boris was mad at him because he took
below market value to stay there because he wanted to
be there.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
So players obviously notorious about wanting to end up with
the Dodgers at some point. Remember when he went to
he was saying, or the Giants whatever. He went the year,
the Dodgers have kind of in on him a little
bit and he ended up signing with the Giants, I guess,
but he made it very clear he wanted to be
a Dodger. Well, the fun is beginning. On tomorrow afternoon,
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wip Fred, we just having fun.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
After you win a World Series, you just want to
play fantasy baseball. That what we're doing right now. Is
Toronald doing that right now? No? Are they nervous. They
nervous they might they might lose Boba. Shit, you know
why they're not doing that on the Dodge Boba said
was on the Dodger would be afraid of losing him.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
If the Dodgers needed Boba schet, they'd be afraid. Yeah,
but they're not afraid of anything right now. They're two
shell shocks and they're still thinking about they won.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
This was just luck, all right.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
I do want to point out now just take a
second and write it down. I think we can confirm it.
Nico Harrison made the worst trade and the NBA history,
the Dallas Mavericks general manager, by far, the worst trading
NBA history. Sending Lukadancic to the Lakers was the worst
move he will ever make and he will never overcome
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that and he will never survive that. It's just a
matter of how long they let him sit there. Luka
Doncic is a one man wrecking machine.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Don't they gotta win it? Though? Friend, don't the Lakers
They've gotta win it? Yeah, well, first, that would help
to be fair.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Yeah, but even if they don't, the way Luka plays,
the way he is playing, the numbers he's putting up,
that was a terrible deal. And just from the perspective
of fans and buying tickets and buying jerseys, that was awful,
really bad. Now, what makes it worse. It makes it
worse because they had him and he wouldn't listen to them.
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And that's really why they traded him. He wouldn't listen
to him get into shape. Okay, nothing, stop doing that,
okay nothing. So they did not communicate with him. Maybe
he wasn't ready to receive the message. Maybe he could
and received the message in the manner in which they
were giving it. So they trade them to the Lakers,
of all people, and just think about the absurdity of that.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
What are the top players.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
In the league to one of the gold standard franchises
in sports?
Speaker 2 (30:17):
What do you expect him to do? Not play? Not play?
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Well, he's look at Doncic last night. The Lakers should
have lost. They won. It was a tough game, a
lot of files. They beat San Antonio when Bayama filed
out look at thirty five points. I mean, I sat
and watched them last night and thought, good god, how
in the.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
World could they ever trade him? Those guys don't come along.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
You're not going to find another one in him, and
they had him, They couldn't communicate with him, he wouldn't
do what they wanted him to do, and they traded him.
Nico Harrison can never ever recover from that deal. I
don't care what happened. I know we want to put
it on all on Niko, But do you think that
you know a guy, well, it's not a one man show,
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you don't. You don't trade a guy like that without
without it being run up the pipeline to the very
very top. It don't happen. So I know everybody wants
to beat Nico up, but owners have something to do
with it. The rest of the basketball operations have something to.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Do with it. This was not a one man I'm
just going to operate, you know, isolated, and make this happen.
This went all the way to the top, so and
much we want to pound on him. It's a it's
a Dallas Maverick deal. Well, then the Dallas Mavericks need
to get pounded on. But at the same time, as
I mentioned, they got to win. Niggas gotta win one.
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If they don't win one, like it goes, it's five
years and Lakers don't win a title. You still feel
the same way about Nico. I do.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
And here's why. Because Luke is going to put people
in the That's why. Because Luca's gonna sell jerseys. That's why.
Because Lucas gonna be acknowledged as one of the top
three four guys in the game. That's why Luca is Lebron. No,
Lebron's played longer and a better player. But understand Lucas Kobe, No,
he's not. But Kindie he is, They're putting people in
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the seats. That's the first thing.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
They got to win five titles first, No, you don't,
Luca doesn't. He'll put people in the seats. Wow.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
I'm not saying he's as good as Kobe, but I'm
saying that's the same principle.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
A great player that puts people in the seats. Laker's
gonna put people in the seats regardless of who's playing.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Oh, that's fair. But I'll tell you what. They're gonna
make more for those tickets. If Luca's playing, or when
Lebron was Lebron playing that Lebron James. People want to
see Lebron play and the Lakers. They wanted to see
Lebron at the end of the Kobe run. They want
to see Hoby play and the Lakers. The Lakers have
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always been constructed like this, Let's get somebody that's a star,
and then we'll try to build around him.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
If we don't, we still let the star will win
in five years. What they gonna say about Luca He
didn't win. He's a loser. He couldn't figure it out
in five years. If don't you got to win here,
don't then he had to live up to the same
standards as Lebron and Kobe and Check and Magic and
all the guys that came before him, Like, you can't
be a star here and not win it. Well, yeah,
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they're two different things. They're two different things. First, yes,
you're right, he's got to win. Yes, okay, we acknowledge
that he's got to win. But the other side of
it is he's a superstar and people will pay to
see him.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
So they're two separate things. People are gonna pay to
see him as a superstar. But yes, he has to win.
I agree for him, For the Lakers, for the city,
Yes he has to he's gotta win. But people are
gonna pay to see him because.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
He is a show. I mean, he's when you sit
and watch him, and Laker fans you have he's outstanding. Again,
they don't. They don't make those guys. They don't.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
It's hard to find one that exists. And Dallas had
one of those guys and let him go, not even
as a free angel. They just traded him. And Anthony
Davis is a good player, Rodney, he is a good player.
He's not Luka Doncic, Sorry, he's not.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
He's Wemby, Yeah he might be. He might be. But
how okay, there's two. How many of those guys are there?
Is Wemby?
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Yeah yeah, Wemby is mm hmmm, Anthony Edwards is he?
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Doncic Yeah, he's got his uh, he's gotten his team
to the finals.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Okay, there's three. There aren't a lot of those guys,
And I would argue that despite Aunt getting his team
to the finals, I don't think he's at Donches's level yet.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
But he could be.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
We can't take that away from him. But when you
start looking around, there aren't a lot of those guys.
And Dallas had one and treated him.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Nico Harrison, the owner, the owner's wife, Mark Cuban, whoever
was involved in that. That could go down as one
of the worst moves in NBA history.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Can you think of anybody else that got treated like that?
Why that would happen? Let's think about it. Who Kareem believe?
But he won a title for Milwaukee before he left.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Right, Kareem I believe forced his way out of Milwaukee.
I wanted to come back here. So that's a little different.
Similar to Anthony Davis when he came here too. From
New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
This kind happened.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
That happened to the dead of night on a random
Saturday night last year, and nobody saw it coming. And
Luca didn't ask for a trade. It completely came out
of nowhere.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
He didn't want to go.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Oh, did not want to go. Yeah, that makes a
situation so unique.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Yeah and confounding. That's what's so on about it. I mean,
I don't know, go far enough back. Did wil Chamberlain
want to leave the seventy six ers and come to
the Lakers? I mean, if you go back, I can't
tell you who got traded and who forced their way out.
But in today's NBA, on paper, the Lakers got the
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better deal. Dallas traded him because they he wouldn't listen.
He just wouldn't listen to him. So is that on
him or on them for trying to communicate with him
the right way? And sometimes it's impossible. I understand that,
and you gotta cut bait. But right now, Kevin, tell
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me what happens.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
If Dallas wins the title before or gets to the finals,
before the Lakers do with with Luca, that.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Will be great for the Mavericks. You know what, it
will vindicate Nico in Dallas. It will vindicate him there.
But in the big picture, think Cooper Flag.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
You think Cooper Flag helps them vindicate that eventually he
becomes that star, that star that Luca was on his
way to being, or Luca was, and helps him get
to If he helps them get to a title or
helps him get to the finals, then it's then it's
all worthwhile.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Well, first, they hope he does for their sake. I'm
gonna wager doesn't that put their banking on right? They
hope that happens for their sake.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
And that fell in their lap.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
That's the number one overall. It wasn't like, yeah, no,
it wasn't like they did it because they knew they
were going to get them. It definitely fell in their lap.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
From a marketing perspective, and it's an entertainment business. The
Lakers won. Let's say Dallas wins the title next year, Great,
the Lakers won the deal, because by next year, if
they doesn't build title next year, the Lakers won the deal. Yeah,
the Lakers won the deal. It doesn't matter now, they
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won the deal. They won the Dallas wins the title.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yep. And Cooper Flagg is a new superstar and they
win the title.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
You still think the Lakers won a deal? Yes, I
think the Lakers won the deal. They've got their guy
in La who plays like a superstar.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Don't you gotta win in La?
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Yeah, well that's another part. But they've got their the part.
But it is the part, isn't it. No, Well it's
the part. Yeah, you gotta win. But from a business perspective,
they won. They won in a business sense. The deal
has been won business wise. Now until he wins a
title or is he not really a Laker yet?
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Who Luca? If Luca wins a title this year, is
he a Laker? Or he has to win a title
before he becomes a Laker. No, I think he's a Laker.
I think he's a Laker. You know why I say
that because you certainly didn't say that about Lebron.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
I know I didn't feel that way.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
You think Luca is a Laker because he wanted to
be a Laker, because he was forced to be a Laker.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
I think he got traded here and embraced the opportunity.
I think Luca, I think Lucas seems like a guy
that's going to be with the Lakers. About the Lakers,
and I thought Lebron was about Lebron on the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Just nuanced. That's all just nuanced. Right tomorrow, after you.
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that's it baby, Let's go all right, I didn't know,
all right, So the Rams take on the forty nine ers.
Kevin as right now, Kevin as is right now.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Rams take on the forty nine ers this weekend. Rams
six and two, nine Ers six and three, uh and
the Seahawks are six and two. So that division it's
anybody's game, right, now Rams are three and one at home,
three and one on the road, but in the division,
oh and one.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Seattle is three and oh in the division, So this
is a all right, I should sake San Francisco, go
Sam Donald. Everybody wrote to you off when you left
the Jets man and went several different places. But he
has found a home. He has resurrected his career. I
love it. I love it. And this is a very
competitive division.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Yeah, in San Francisco three and oh, I should have
said in the division. So this is a very big game.
But the thing I want to talk is Matthew Stafford.
You talk about a guy flying under the radar this season,
look at a stat line league leading twenty one touchdowns
and two interceptions.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Yeah, phenomenal. Why does it seem like he's flying under
the radar? You know, that's a good question. I think
when everybody's so focused on, especially the younger quarterbacks. You know,
they're focused on Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, obviously, they just
people live and die for that matchup. Lamar Jackson's in
that mix as well. Nowaday's coming back, and you know,
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I think everybody believes at some point as bad as
a start that Baltimore got off to that they're going
to be in the mix at some point with Lamar
if he stays healthy. But yeah, out here in LA
and I think part of it, Fred, I will say
part of it is the Dodgers. I think part of
it is the Dodgers have been in everybody's faces for
(43:57):
the last month. And the Dodgers, whether or not they
can you know, repeat as champions and in the World
Series and blowing through the playoffs like they did. The
focus in LA was the Dodgers, not the Rams. And
so he's been able to fly under the Raidar at
this point. Whether they nine games in eight games in
eight games, eight games in twenty one touchdowns, two picks.
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If he's not the front runner for MVP, I don't
know who is.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Well, I think you're right about why people here haven't
really been talking about it because for the majority of
fans in this market I understand RAM fans, I understand
you go to the games, but in the totality of
the market, the Rams just kicks off this Sunday. This
will be the Rams first game this Sunday. Because of
the Dodgers. Now people will start paying attention. I mean
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the Chargers. Look, we talked about them, they won, they lost,
or up, they're down. They're six and three, they're still
head of Kansas City.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Do you know that? No, because nobody's paying attention right right. Yeah, Yeah,
Chargers are having a pretty good year. They went out
and beat Kansas City in Brazil and have you know,
quite as kept They had some close games that they
could be almost undefeated right now, but.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
No one knows because no one's watching here right. Yes,
Charger fans are okay, so don't start on social media. Yeah,
go after Fred. I mean that's fine, but you shouldn't
do that because you understand what I'm saying. And Ram fans,
we love you, we know. Come on, let's be honest.
Does US is USC even playing.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Now? That I do know?
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Oh yeah, did UCLA stop? I mean everything has been
focused outside Dodgers. Outside of the UCLA win over Penn State.
You really don't hear about UCLA anymore or even USC's
you know game against Notre Dame.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
You know, outside of that. Who has US? He played now?
I know because I follow him closely and had a
big win at Nebraska which is huge, and got homecoming
this Friday night. Tomorrow night against Northwestern, but and are
back kind of in the mix. They got to keep winning.
But yeah, both the USC UCLA have taken a backseat
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to the Dodgers as well.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Right, So maybe that's another reason Matthew Stafford is flying
under the radar here because people think the Rams kick
off their season on Sunday. Yes, and the baseball is
officially over, but anyway a slice it or dice at
this Sunday, that's a.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Bit Can you think of another year? It was like,
it wasn't like that last year? Was it? That was?
It was? I mean, I know old Tony went crazy
and all that, but I didn't feel I didn't And
then I know there was excitement, but it I don't know.
Maybe it's because it's it's this recency biased and all that,
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but I didn't feel like it overwhelmed us like this year.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
Did I remember doing the show last year and and
joined the dog run Rodney. We needed to talk about
the Dodgers. That's what people wanted to talk about to
listen to the station. Yeah, we might have talked about
well when Eric came on, we did some football, but
not a lot. Kevin, if I'm right, During the Dodger play. Yeah,
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because they had the Padre Series, which was in compelling, right,
that was compelling, and then they played the Yankees in
the World Series, so that that overwhelmed everything in this market.
So yeah, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
You know, maybe in my mind doesn't go allow me
to go back as far as but you're right, you're right.
It was these last two years. Football season doesn't start
until November, so let's just do this.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
Good Luck to the Rams and Chargers is a kick
off their season this weekend, at least in the minds
of the people here. Tomorrow afternoon that three relive the
memories of World Series Game seven, Dodgers become back to
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Speaker 2 (48:06):
We come back. We'll be joined by Delan Hernandez of
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All right, here we go, Fred Rogan Rodney Pete on
a five to seventy LA Sports. All right, Rodney, have
you been to the doctor? Are you taking your medication?
Are you still going through withdrawals? I am, Fred, I am.
And I don't say that lightly, Freddie, I am going
through withdrawals. I really am. Yesterday, you know, we talked
(00:22):
about a little bit on the air, but last night again,
and I blame Major League Baseball and MLB Network and
Fox and Spectrum and all of them, because they keep
replaying everything, Fred, They keep replaying everything. And once you
flip the channel and you see that it's Game three
and it's the third inning of Game three, and they're
(00:42):
doing a quick repost or recast of the game, it's
hard to flip the channel, even though, excuse me, even
though you know the outcome and the ending and you
know what happens, there's a feeling of anticipation of what happens.
And I don't know how long that's going to last,
but it's it's certainly still there. Well, it's gonna last
(01:04):
for everybody at least another day here, because tomorrow with
three we're replaying Game seven, and you know what, I'll
just respond like.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
This, thank you, You're welcome. Done. Done.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
We're replaying at tomorrow with three, so everybody can relive
the memories because you just can't stop watching it. You
just don't want to playing us on the radio at three? Yeah,
is that what we're doing. That's what we're doing also
in the iHeartRadio app. So anywhere in the country you're listening,
sit back tomorrow afternoon and relive Game seven because that
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is that. It'll be a special treat.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
All right.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
So the business at hand for the Dodgers now is
where do we go? How do we move forward? What
if any changes need to be made? By the way,
Dylan Hernandez Rodney will be on the show at one
o'clock today, we'll talk about it with him. But what
changes need to be made, what adjustments? Who might be gone,
who might come in? Let's start with who's staying, because
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we just got worded a few minutes ago and I
thought it was pretty much a no brainer anyway, But
it's confirmed. The club picked up Max months he's options,
so he will be back next year. That would have
been stunning if they had let him go. I think
he's gonna make ten million dollars. I do know that
there was a Japanese third baseman who hits the ball
pretty well and is younger, and he's going to be
(02:24):
available this year, but the Dodgers are going to stick
with Max for another season.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, there's a what I heard was there's three pretty
big time Japanese prospects. They're gonna post this this offseason.
But uh yeah, And I know for the regular fan
and regular person, ten million dollars there is a lot
of money, but in baseball terms, and for what Max
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months he brings to the table, I think that's relatively cheap.
And I think that was a no brainer for the
Dodgers to go and and pick it up for ten
million dollars because he is as tough as season as
it was for him up and down, being injured, coming back.
He means so much to that lineup. We said it
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all year long. They're a different team when Max Munsey's
in the lineup. And of course Game seven, he is
the big, gigantic home run. Everybody talks about, you know,
the Mickey row and and and also Will Smith's home run,
But Max Munsey's home run, I believe it was in
the wasn't in the eighth that cut it to one run.
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That puts you really in striking distance. That was a
big one, and that was a demoralizer. It didn't skin
the back of the fence that went out in the
upper deck. I mean it was a definite bomb off
of their big time reliever. And I know it was
off of a savage yes, savage right, and they're they're
star and Max hit it and cut that that lead
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them to four to three. That was a big time,
big time hit and big time home run. So it
doesn't shock me at all that they brought him back.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Ten million dollars. He outperforms this deal in major League
Baseball terms. Yes, he outperforms this deal, meaning it's a
good deal, meaning he's back, and quite frankly, he should
be back for all the reasons Rodney stated, and just
what he's meant to the team over the years.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, he can still contribute, all right. Now. That leads
us to Mickey row Keithy Hernandez. We listen.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I don't want anybody to get upset. I know this
is going to be hard to take. I got a
good feeling Michael CONFORDA will not be back. I'm sorry,
don't get upset. I know that's going to crush a
lot of people, but Michael Conforto, he probably will not be.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Back to do that. Well, I'm just saying, so that's
one slot you got to kick a man when he's
down like that. He's okay, he made seventeen million. He'll
come back and play somewhere next year. But he ain't
got to kick him down for it, all right. Anyway,
he had a rough year, Okay, so he won't be
back months he's back.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
So now let's start looking at it. You have Mickey
Rowe in Key k and if you want to make
any of their moves, Oh, who will be the backup catcher? Right,
Vett or Rushing? I gotta tell you, rud Vett did
a pretty good job of representing himself. Rodney he may
have heard that spot most. He made the most of
his opportunity. I mean Rushing what he got banged up
(05:19):
a little bit. And Rooke that played a lot at
the end of the season. Well not a lot, but
he became the the facto backup catcher and I think
he performed well.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
They got a decision to make with those two.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah, so there, that's a decision They have to make
look around who else will be gone? So you got
to start at shortstop. Are they going to trade Mooky No,
Tommy Edmund no, Freddie no. Tiascar is the second year
of a three year deal. He will be back. Paz
will definitely be back. Kim and I think they need
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to find a place for him to play. He'll be back.
So that means you don't have many spots. It's Key
k or Meggy, one of the other on the other,
what do you mean, well, I mean earning any spots.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
So if you're going to make a move with guys,
you can pick both, you can pick one of the other.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
But I'm thinking that I don't think any one of
those guys are gone. I mean who at this point?
And both are they both up? They're both up? Up? Yeah,
they're up. So both those guys and Kik went and
got his money in Boston, right, He left earlier a
few years back, got paid, did you know, signed a
nice contract, came back to the Dodgers. He knows where
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he is. Same thing with Miggi Roe. Miggi Roe is
this year or one year removed from being a coach
in the league. On its way to being a manager
in this league. And and so he's he's probably got
one year left under his belt, and I don't see
how you don't sign him back just for his contributions,
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not only on the field that he did in the
World Series, but off the field, as everybody talked about
how he's such a vital point and for guys like
Mookie Betts and Freddie Freeman and all those guys in
the infield and the rest of the team. But I
think keyk gives them a friendly deal as well as
not trying to break the bank. So I think both
those guys come back for a reasonable salary for the Dodgers,
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not to not to feel it too much to sign
them back.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
If that's the case in that many changes. Let me
ask you this, and only Miggy row knows for sure.
What if they came to him and said, all right, Miggy,
we want to get you started in the system as
a coach. We know you're going to be there eventually,
and we want to get you started. Do you think
he would step aside and start that portion of his career.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Oh yeah, yeah, I don't think that's out of a realm.
In fact, I put it fifty to fifty right now.
If they said to him, look, we want you to
stay in the Dodger system in some shape or fashion,
and you know, whether that be our defensive coach, or
we put you and you manage, you know, a minor
league team and you're instructional guy in spring training or whatever,
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we put you on the staff. I think that is
a reasonable possibility for Miggy row and I think it's
a reasonable possibility for him to say, Hey, give me
one more year, give me one more year to play,
and I can call it a day, call it my
swan song. I'm not gonna you know, I'm not gonna
go on any kind of tour or anything like that,
but just give me one more year. I like to
play it out knowing this is gonna be my last year.
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I can see both of those scenarios working.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
So obviously the Dodgers have conversations to have with Mickey.
Would you also agree with this. It's gonna be his call,
MIGGI Roe's call. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I don't know what he I don't know what his
salary was this year, but I think that he will,
you know, he will be a commonable for the Dodgers
to make it easy on them to say, look, MIGGI,
we can only offer you this, we love you to
come back. You take it, and he says yes. And
then with the with the caveat of the following year,
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we're gonna we're gonna put you in the in the
coaching ranks and be a part of our system going forward. Yeah,
I see that happening, all.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Right, So let's suck free agents now, uh, because Munsey
is bad. So who's out there? Well, Kyle Tucker's obvious.
I think he's a great player, very fundamentally sound, would
fit in very well with the Dodgers. Didn't have a
great second half last year. He got hurt, he had
hurt hurt, but he's good. He's very good. He's one
of the guys that's really good that you never even
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talk about, one of those kind of good guys.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
But he was. To remember, first half of the year,
everybody was like, oh, Kyle Tucker is about to be
a five hundred million dollar guy. He's the big, big,
gigantic free agent. And then it cooled off and unfortunately,
probably you know, lost himself about one hundred million dollars
on him being injured. In the second half of the
season and cooling off, but still a very I think
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he's still the top out fielder that is out there,
that's that's going to be a free agent.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
So the Dodgers do need an outfielder. So let's start.
That's an opening. Now we found an opening. Kyle Tucker's
a possibility. A question is, and we kind of touched
on it yesterday. How many years? Obviously money's not a concern,
but how many years and realistically, how much can he make?
I mean, you can't give the guy two years, two
hundred million dollars, one hundred million dollars a year, you
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know that can't work. But what you can say is
how many years for how much he's going for the
Grand Slam. Now it's his time, it's his turn, so
you know he's got to be looking at that really long.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Okay, so where do you where does he fall? Does
he fall in the four hundred million dollar range, does
he fall three three hundred million dollar rains two fifty
million dollar Where does Kyle Tucker fall? Now? Because that
makes that makes the decision on how how many years?
That that helps you determine that. Let's go backwards. Let's
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go backwards to me. He falls in five years, that's
where he falls. In five years. Will give you five years.
How old is he gonna be? What late twenty nine,
thirty something like that. Yeah, he's twenty eight, it's twenty eight,
twenty eight. Yeah, six years tops. Oh right, you give
him six six years?
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Yeah, okay, Now let's figure out what that's going to
make him.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
You get six what are we gonna give you? Thirty
five a year? I don't think you go above three
hundred three hundred million dollars, which is thirty million a
year or fifty million a year. Oh no, you can't
give him fifty million a year? No why not? No, no, no, no, no, no, no,
that won't happen. Three hundred million dollars. He's a three
hundrellion dollar guy. No, you don't want to go past
the years like this. He's not a three hundred million
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dollar guy here. No, no, no, he's not. But yeah,
six years, I would say. You're saying average out at
thirty five thirty five, so he's around a little over
two hundred million out of work.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
We'll pay you that he is not a three hundred
million Well maybe he is, but he's not one here. Yeah,
so there's the opening. It's in the outfield. Another name
the fans keep kicking around. They want him back, Cody Bellinger.
I think he's going to resign with the Yankee So
he had a nice year.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
He had a good year and a really good year,
and he's versatile and he can still play, you know,
multiple positions in the outfield, which he did for the Yankees,
which is we've found out. Versatility is very vital. Dodgers
know that and teams are looking at that. But the
fact that he can play multiple in all the positions
in the outfield but also play first base and had
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a good offensive year for them, I don't The Yankees
would be crazy not to sign him back now. Obviously
they can't do it for a ridiculous amount of money,
But you know, people are throwing out his name like
he's you know, one of the top five free agents
that are that are going to come available right now.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
I saw that, Yeah, don Tepachet's available. Good player got healthy.
You saw the impact he made for the Blue Jays
during the World Series. Good player not going to play here,
not going to be There's no where to put out,
there's no there's no place for him, right, There's no
job for him here.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah. And on top of that, I think Toronto would
be foolish not to really try to resign him. Now.
They just they just paid Vlied five hundred million dollars.
But I think Boba Shett made a big time case
for himself in the postseason in the World Series, coming
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back not only just being available to play, but having
an impact, an impact, and and you know, it was
it was pretty remarkable having having that time off and
then being able to do what he did in the
World Series. I mean, he had the three run home run,
you know, in Game seven that put him up and
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you're thinking, oh my god, here we go. But he
is a tremendous player. I think he turns into a
second basement or a third baseman going forward. So then
you go back to, you know, what's the future for
Max Munsey If you think in your you know, Max
Munsey is not going to be here, but they already
signed it for ten million, and then what is the
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future do you go after him? I just don't know
if the Dodgers spend that kind of money on Boba
Schett to come here, because I think he's going to
get big time offers around the league.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Yeah, and there's no place for him. Okay, so he'll
get big time offers. He won't come. Alex Bregman is available, Nope, Okay,
he's done. He's not gonna be here. Not a chance,
not a chance. Let me give you, Let me give
you the wild card. Let me trus this into the mix.
Think about a Dodger fans trek Scoobel. Now here's the issue,
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and Kevin, you correct me if I'm wrong. He's up
at the end of next season. So the Tigers are
trying to get him locked up right now because if
they don't get him locked up, then he becomes Otani. Yep,
they get nothing for him. They get nothing for him,
or move him with the trade deadline. If that's the
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case and you're the Dodgers, do you not step up
and say, Okay, what's.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
It going to take.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
We got a lot of guys here, which ones do
you want? And see if there is a match there,
see if that would happen. Because they'll pay him. That's
not the issue.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
That the Dodgers will pay him. They don't care.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
But I don't think the Tigers are gonna pay him Rodney.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
No, not when they're two hundred million dollars apart already
when they first started talking. Yeah, yeah, I think he's
asking for what, four hundred million dollars something like that.
I think he wants to be and certainly a guy.
What is he? I think he's twenty nine too, somewhere
around there. Yeah, and that deal would have to be
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done before any kind of trade would happen. Right, he's
not you know, they're not going to trade him or
Dodgers's not going to give up something then for rental.
They don't need to. No, No, that would have to
be done. It all have to be agreed to. He's
gonna sign X number of years with the Dodgers for
this much money, Fine, here's the trade. No, that would
have to happen ahead of time. Yeah, but I see
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the Tigers letting him walk. I mean, what is Yamamoto
three hundred million? He's three hundred million. Scooble wants four
hundred million. Yeah, let's knock let's knock Schooble down to
three twenty just because of an inflation anything. Yamamoto I
believe he's not three twenty five, Okay, So let's put
you know we're going to put schoobl at three thirty.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Good, Now you can be the guy. The Tigers were
two hundred million off at the beginning. Let's say now
worst case they're one hundred million off. That's not eight
million dollars, that's one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yeah, and they'll have no choice.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
By the way, if he doesn't sign with them, he
has Otani them they get nothing, and if they get nothing,
it's their own fault.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
And he olds all the cars. You're not trade me
to Cincinnati. You're not. You're not trade me to maybe
even say I'm not going to Philly either. I want
to go out West, Giants, Dodgers, Padre somewhere. I want
to go out west. And so he's he's got all
the cards right now to say, okay, you trade me anywhere,
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but I'm not. I'm not signing long term deal. Only
if it's the Dodgers, and why wouldnety Can you imagine
then they would you talk about people saying they ruined baseball,
not be it, that would be it would be Oh
imagine that staff Schooble, smell Yamamoto, Otani, Oh yeah, Rokies
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is he's coming back to well about glass, Now is
he going to pitch you out there? He's still got
four years left I believe on his deal. Yeah, they'd
be really ruining baseball if the Dodgers traded for school ball.
And I don't know if this could happen, but if
they traded for school ball and signed Kyle Tucker, that
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would be the end of it. That would be the
end of everything. If they did that, I think teams
would rather forfeit than play them in protest to what happened.
I think people will go, we're just not playing you. No,
this is insane.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
If they had that pitching staff, yeah, and it's unhittable basically,
I mean think about that. That would be And I
don't even know if the commissioner would let that happen,
to be honest. If they got terreed Scooble, you think
they step in, they step in and say this is
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this you guys can't do this. Don't do that to us.
It might be one of those please don't do this
to us. They're gonna stop them. I don't think they
can stop them, but they go, you got a minute
jump on a call, real quick. Hey, let's let's all
think about this for a minute, because if you do this,
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I would say ninety five percent of the teams in
baseball would immediately bitch.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
I mean strongly and loudly that they bitch at baseball.
They bitch at the Tigers for even doing that, entertaining
that they would bitch at Rob Manfred.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
All the teams would bitch it Rob Manfred. The Tigers
would have to turn around and go, we hear you,
we hear you, but look what we got in return,
whatever that means, look well and to get scoople And
if it's the Dodgers, it's not the old two good
prospects and a mediocre one, it won't be that.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
They They will come hunting. They will want guys that
can play.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, because if you take him off that roster, you
are gutting them like a fish. You're gutting them, and
you're telling everybody in Detroit.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Do you think they go try to because we you know,
obviously just talked about who's signing back and they're they're
starting lineup is pretty good and still most of them
on the contract. Do you think that they give up
any starters or do they just go gut the farm
system of the Dodgers.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
I don't know if the Dodger farm system, because they're
the Dodgers, has enough for them. And I don't mean
because they don't have the players, Rodney. I'm saying because
if they were to do something like this, you would
have to justify it by going, yeah, but look at
this return.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Nobody could turn this down.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Like two top prospects and a guy in rookie ball
is not going to get it done. So they would
have to get a guy like who like Munzaki? Oh god, well, no,
Sazaki's not going anywhere.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Zaki can't go anywhere.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You know who's available? Tanner,
Scott Tanner, Scott, will Climb, Will Climb, Consolin, Yeah, maybe
maybe Emma sheehan throw him in. Yeah, you know, you
would have to get too, at least two pitchers that
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can pitch tomorrow. Not well, this guy in two years
will be pretty good. No, they're gonna have to pitch tomorrow.
So they'll take two of those. They'll take a position
player that can hit, they take one of the catchers, right,
they'll take rushing, throw him in. So two good pitchers,
rushing a guy that can hit right now, Munsie. I
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don't want him to go. I'm just trying to figure
this out.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
One year deal, ten million bucks. It'd be a Monsier
Tommy Edmund. Right, Tommy Edmund's not going anywhere. Why wouldn't
he go anywhere?
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Because he can play every position, because he's cost effective,
because he plays exactly the way that Dodgers like to play.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
He's a very good Dodger. All right, let's do this?
Would you do this? Yeah? But you got those guys, right,
If they really wanted Tommy Edmund, then you think about
who you got for TV. You still got Kik. You
got Kim, and you got Kim that fits the mole
of of the role like a Tommy Edmond would play.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Okay, so it's gonna be Emmic Sheen. I love when
we play this game. We're always wrong, Emmit Sheen. Another
pitcher that can pitch tomorrow. Whoever that other pitcher is?
And no it's not Sazaki, He's not going. So it's
Emmit Sheen, another pitcher Edmund rushing and one more guy
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a prospect. I mean it might be you know, the
Jack Dryer and the Roboleski guys. I mean it may
throw have to throw those guys in. One of those
guys in could be I don't know, I don't know
where their contract stands, but yeah, it would be definitely
another quality pitcher, another quality arm. No, that's in addition
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to the other guy that can pitch the starter Emmitt
she and another starter and then Robleski or Jack Dryer, uh,
Tommy Edmund and Rushing. Would you pull the trigger if
you're the Tigers on that deal, you got two pitchers
and a reliever and two position players, five guys.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
That can play, right, you would have to. If you're
the Tigers, you would have to. You're not gonna get
a better deal than that from anybody then you you know,
if you don't, then you're in the neo Tomy mode.
Who's going to give you a better deal than that?
I don't think anybody plays. Nobody's got the quality like
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the Dodgers do or the depth. Yeah, that's the issue here,
it's the depth. I mean pretty much, this is really funny.
Well pretty much, the Dodgers can have any free agent
they want and just sign them. That's not a problem.
What do you really think about it? If they want
to trade for.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
A guy, if they want the guy, they can do
that too, because they have the depth. Now, whether they
want to use that depth there's another issue.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
But they have it. They can do anything they want. Hey, school,
I don't know who his agent is, sure it's their guy,
but hey, whatever offer comes your way. You know, don't
sign a long term deal because we're gonna sign you
in next year. There's always that. Just wait a year. Yeah,
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there's always that. They can send you wherever they want to.
They can send you wherever they want. They're gonna send
you to Cleveland. They're gonna send you wherever they are,
not the Cleveland because it's sending the same division. But
they'll send you to a National League team maybe in
the you know, in the hunt, Cincinnati continues to be
pretty good, and they're in there, they're in the mix,
and they trade you to Cincinnati and at the deadline, okay,
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just play it out because we got we got you
the next year, we got.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
You in the off season. And it's that simple. You
know what, Go go enjoy yourself right then. We don't
have to give up anything, right, but we'll just see you.
We'll see you down the road.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
By the way.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Yes, his agent is Scott Boris, who notoriously does not
allow his free agents. I say allow, but you know
he works for them, but either way does not is
not a fan of his free agents signing the extensions.
He wants them all to hit the market.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yep. So that being the case, very unlikely unless it
is the Dodgers that he would go to somewhere and
sign a long term deal. Oh you mean unless meet
the trade. Yeah? With the trade, Oh no, because Scott
wants them to hit the market and wants it to
be a bidding one.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Regardless of who he gets traded to. Scott's going to
convince him to be to be a free agent.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah, unless the Dodgers and.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
The Yankees and the Mets go crazy and say, yeah,
well we'll give you what you need. That now, I'll
tell you the Yankees could be a landing spot.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
I think even with that, I think he I think
Boris wants a bidding war. Regardless say this person. They
might offer you the moon, right, someone else might offer
you the stars. Yeah, I think it might not matter who.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
But wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
He pulled the trigger in two seconds on Blake Snell
because the Dodgers met the deal.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Boom done. Let's take care of it.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
I've never seen Scott Boris sign a client that fast
as you did with Blake.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
There's obviously back door negotiations and stuff that happens before, and.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I think Blake Snell said, I don't want to be
a Dodger. I don't care what it takes make that happen.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yeah, that's what happened years ago with Jared Weaver with
the Angels. Boris was mad at him because he took
below market value to stay there because he wanted to
be there.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
So players obviously notorious about wanting to end up with
the Dodgers at some point. Remember when he went to
he was saying, or the Giants whatever. He went the year,
the Dodgers have kind of in on him a little
bit and he ended up signing with the Giants, I guess,
but he made it very clear he wanted to be
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Speaker 2 (28:10):
After you win a World Series, you just want to
play fantasy baseball. That what we're doing right now. Is
Toronald doing that right now? No? Are they nervous. They
nervous they might they might lose Boba. Shit, you know
why they're not doing that on the Dodge Boba said
was on the Dodger would be afraid of losing him.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
If the Dodgers needed Boba schet, they'd be afraid. Yeah,
but they're not afraid of anything right now. They're two
shell shocks and they're still thinking about they won.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
This was just luck, all right.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
I do want to point out now just take a
second and write it down. I think we can confirm it.
Nico Harrison made the worst trade and the NBA history,
the Dallas Mavericks general manager, by far, the worst trading
NBA history. Sending Lukadancic to the Lakers was the worst
move he will ever make and he will never overcome
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that and he will never survive that. It's just a
matter of how long they let him sit there. Luka
Doncic is a one man wrecking machine.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Don't they gotta win it? Though? Friend, don't the Lakers
They've gotta win it? Yeah, well, first, that would help
to be fair.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Yeah, but even if they don't, the way Luka plays,
the way he is playing, the numbers he's putting up,
that was a terrible deal. And just from the perspective
of fans and buying tickets and buying jerseys, that was awful,
really bad. Now, what makes it worse. It makes it
worse because they had him and he wouldn't listen to them.
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And that's really why they traded him. He wouldn't listen
to him get into shape. Okay, nothing, stop doing that,
okay nothing. So they did not communicate with him. Maybe
he wasn't ready to receive the message. Maybe he could
and received the message in the manner in which they
were giving it. So they trade them to the Lakers,
of all people, and just think about the absurdity of that.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
What are the top players.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
In the league to one of the gold standard franchises
in sports?
Speaker 2 (30:17):
What do you expect him to do? Not play? Not play?
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Well, he's look at Doncic last night. The Lakers should
have lost. They won. It was a tough game, a
lot of files. They beat San Antonio when Bayama filed
out look at thirty five points. I mean, I sat
and watched them last night and thought, good god, how
in the.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
World could they ever trade him? Those guys don't come along.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
You're not going to find another one in him, and
they had him, They couldn't communicate with him, he wouldn't
do what they wanted him to do, and they traded him.
Nico Harrison can never ever recover from that deal. I
don't care what happened. I know we want to put
it on all on Niko, But do you think that
you know a guy, well, it's not a one man show,
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you don't. You don't trade a guy like that without
without it being run up the pipeline to the very
very top. It don't happen. So I know everybody wants
to beat Nico up, but owners have something to do
with it. The rest of the basketball operations have something to.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Do with it. This was not a one man I'm
just going to operate, you know, isolated, and make this happen.
This went all the way to the top, so and
much we want to pound on him. It's a it's
a Dallas Maverick deal. Well, then the Dallas Mavericks need
to get pounded on. But at the same time, as
I mentioned, they got to win. Niggas gotta win one.
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If they don't win one, like it goes, it's five
years and Lakers don't win a title. You still feel
the same way about Nico. I do.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
And here's why. Because Luke is going to put people
in the That's why. Because Luca's gonna sell jerseys. That's why.
Because Lucas gonna be acknowledged as one of the top
three four guys in the game. That's why Luca is Lebron. No,
Lebron's played longer and a better player. But understand Lucas Kobe, No,
he's not. But Kindie he is, They're putting people in
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the seats. That's the first thing.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
They got to win five titles first, No, you don't,
Luca doesn't. He'll put people in the seats. Wow.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
I'm not saying he's as good as Kobe, but I'm
saying that's the same principle.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
A great player that puts people in the seats. Laker's
gonna put people in the seats regardless of who's playing.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Oh, that's fair. But I'll tell you what. They're gonna
make more for those tickets. If Luca's playing, or when
Lebron was Lebron playing that Lebron James. People want to
see Lebron play and the Lakers. They wanted to see
Lebron at the end of the Kobe run. They want
to see Hoby play and the Lakers. The Lakers have
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always been constructed like this, Let's get somebody that's a star,
and then we'll try to build around him.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
If we don't, we still let the star will win
in five years. What they gonna say about Luca He
didn't win. He's a loser. He couldn't figure it out
in five years. If don't you got to win here,
don't then he had to live up to the same
standards as Lebron and Kobe and Check and Magic and
all the guys that came before him, Like, you can't
be a star here and not win it. Well, yeah,
(33:34):
they're two different things. They're two different things. First, yes,
you're right, he's got to win. Yes, okay, we acknowledge
that he's got to win. But the other side of
it is he's a superstar and people will pay to
see him.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
So they're two separate things. People are gonna pay to
see him as a superstar. But yes, he has to win.
I agree for him, For the Lakers, for the city,
Yes he has to he's gotta win. But people are
gonna pay to see him because.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
He is a show. I mean, he's when you sit
and watch him, and Laker fans you have he's outstanding. Again,
they don't. They don't make those guys. They don't.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
It's hard to find one that exists. And Dallas had
one of those guys and let him go, not even
as a free angel. They just traded him. And Anthony
Davis is a good player, Rodney, he is a good player.
He's not Luka Doncic, Sorry, he's not.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
He's Wemby, Yeah he might be. He might be. But
how okay, there's two. How many of those guys are there?
Is Wemby?
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Yeah yeah, Wemby is mm hmmm, Anthony Edwards is he?
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Doncic Yeah, he's got his uh, he's gotten his team
to the finals.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Okay, there's three. There aren't a lot of those guys,
And I would argue that despite Aunt getting his team
to the finals, I don't think he's at Donches's level yet.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
But he could be.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
We can't take that away from him. But when you
start looking around, there aren't a lot of those guys.
And Dallas had one and treated him.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Nico Harrison, the owner, the owner's wife, Mark Cuban, whoever
was involved in that. That could go down as one
of the worst moves in NBA history.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Can you think of anybody else that got treated like that?
Why that would happen? Let's think about it. Who Kareem believe?
But he won a title for Milwaukee before he left.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Right, Kareem I believe forced his way out of Milwaukee.
I wanted to come back here. So that's a little different.
Similar to Anthony Davis when he came here too. From
New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
This kind happened.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
That happened to the dead of night on a random
Saturday night last year, and nobody saw it coming. And
Luca didn't ask for a trade. It completely came out
of nowhere.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
He didn't want to go.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Oh, did not want to go. Yeah, that makes a
situation so unique.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Yeah and confounding. That's what's so on about it. I mean,
I don't know, go far enough back. Did wil Chamberlain
want to leave the seventy six ers and come to
the Lakers? I mean, if you go back, I can't
tell you who got traded and who forced their way out.
But in today's NBA, on paper, the Lakers got the
(36:43):
better deal. Dallas traded him because they he wouldn't listen.
He just wouldn't listen to him. So is that on
him or on them for trying to communicate with him
the right way? And sometimes it's impossible. I understand that,
and you gotta cut bait. But right now, Kevin, tell
(37:04):
me what happens.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
If Dallas wins the title before or gets to the finals,
before the Lakers do with with Luca, that.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Will be great for the Mavericks. You know what, it
will vindicate Nico in Dallas. It will vindicate him there.
But in the big picture, think Cooper Flag.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
You think Cooper Flag helps them vindicate that eventually he
becomes that star, that star that Luca was on his
way to being, or Luca was, and helps him get
to If he helps them get to a title or
helps him get to the finals, then it's then it's
all worthwhile.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Well, first, they hope he does for their sake. I'm
gonna wager doesn't that put their banking on right? They
hope that happens for their sake.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
And that fell in their lap.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
That's the number one overall. It wasn't like, yeah, no,
it wasn't like they did it because they knew they
were going to get them. It definitely fell in their lap.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
From a marketing perspective, and it's an entertainment business. The
Lakers won. Let's say Dallas wins the title next year, Great,
the Lakers won the deal, because by next year, if
they doesn't build title next year, the Lakers won the deal. Yeah,
the Lakers won the deal. It doesn't matter now, they
(38:24):
won the deal. They won the Dallas wins the title.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yep. And Cooper Flagg is a new superstar and they
win the title.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
You still think the Lakers won a deal? Yes, I
think the Lakers won the deal. They've got their guy
in La who plays like a superstar.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Don't you gotta win in La?
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Yeah, well that's another part. But they've got their the part.
But it is the part, isn't it. No, Well it's
the part. Yeah, you gotta win. But from a business perspective,
they won. They won in a business sense. The deal
has been won business wise. Now until he wins a
title or is he not really a Laker yet?
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Who Luca? If Luca wins a title this year, is
he a Laker? Or he has to win a title
before he becomes a Laker. No, I think he's a Laker.
I think he's a Laker. You know why I say
that because you certainly didn't say that about Lebron.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
I know I didn't feel that way.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
You think Luca is a Laker because he wanted to
be a Laker, because he was forced to be a Laker.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
I think he got traded here and embraced the opportunity.
I think Luca, I think Lucas seems like a guy
that's going to be with the Lakers. About the Lakers,
and I thought Lebron was about Lebron on the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Just nuanced. That's all just nuanced. Right tomorrow, after you.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
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the group's first number one hit in the United States
(41:02):
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in Australia and Japan, while reaching platinum status in nineteen
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(41:27):
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(42:09):
that's it baby, Let's go all right, I didn't know,
all right, So the Rams take on the forty nine ers.
Kevin as right now, Kevin as is right now.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Rams take on the forty nine ers this weekend. Rams
six and two, nine Ers six and three, uh and
the Seahawks are six and two. So that division it's
anybody's game, right, now Rams are three and one at home,
three and one on the road, but in the division,
oh and one.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Seattle is three and oh in the division, So this
is a all right, I should sake San Francisco, go
Sam Donald. Everybody wrote to you off when you left
the Jets man and went several different places. But he
has found a home. He has resurrected his career. I
love it. I love it. And this is a very
competitive division.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Yeah, in San Francisco three and oh, I should have
said in the division. So this is a very big game.
But the thing I want to talk is Matthew Stafford.
You talk about a guy flying under the radar this season,
look at a stat line league leading twenty one touchdowns
and two interceptions.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Yeah, phenomenal. Why does it seem like he's flying under
the radar? You know, that's a good question. I think
when everybody's so focused on, especially the younger quarterbacks. You know,
they're focused on Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, obviously, they just
people live and die for that matchup. Lamar Jackson's in
that mix as well. Nowaday's coming back, and you know,
(43:36):
I think everybody believes at some point as bad as
a start that Baltimore got off to that they're going
to be in the mix at some point with Lamar
if he stays healthy. But yeah, out here in LA
and I think part of it, Fred, I will say
part of it is the Dodgers. I think part of
it is the Dodgers have been in everybody's faces for
(43:57):
the last month. And the Dodgers, whether or not they
can you know, repeat as champions and in the World
Series and blowing through the playoffs like they did. The
focus in LA was the Dodgers, not the Rams. And
so he's been able to fly under the Raidar at
this point. Whether they nine games in eight games in
eight games, eight games in twenty one touchdowns, two picks.
(44:20):
If he's not the front runner for MVP, I don't
know who is.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Well, I think you're right about why people here haven't
really been talking about it because for the majority of
fans in this market I understand RAM fans, I understand
you go to the games, but in the totality of
the market, the Rams just kicks off this Sunday. This
will be the Rams first game this Sunday. Because of
the Dodgers. Now people will start paying attention. I mean
(44:46):
the Chargers. Look, we talked about them, they won, they lost,
or up, they're down. They're six and three, they're still
head of Kansas City.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Do you know that? No, because nobody's paying attention right right. Yeah, Yeah,
Chargers are having a pretty good year. They went out
and beat Kansas City in Brazil and have you know,
quite as kept They had some close games that they
could be almost undefeated right now, but.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
No one knows because no one's watching here right. Yes,
Charger fans are okay, so don't start on social media. Yeah,
go after Fred. I mean that's fine, but you shouldn't
do that because you understand what I'm saying. And Ram fans,
we love you, we know. Come on, let's be honest.
Does US is USC even playing.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Now? That I do know?
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Oh yeah, did UCLA stop? I mean everything has been
focused outside Dodgers. Outside of the UCLA win over Penn State.
You really don't hear about UCLA anymore or even USC's
you know game against Notre Dame.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
You know, outside of that. Who has US? He played now?
I know because I follow him closely and had a
big win at Nebraska which is huge, and got homecoming
this Friday night. Tomorrow night against Northwestern, but and are
back kind of in the mix. They got to keep winning.
But yeah, both the USC UCLA have taken a backseat
(46:14):
to the Dodgers as well.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Right, So maybe that's another reason Matthew Stafford is flying
under the radar here because people think the Rams kick
off their season on Sunday. Yes, and the baseball is
officially over, but anyway a slice it or dice at
this Sunday, that's a.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Bit Can you think of another year? It was like,
it wasn't like that last year? Was it? That was?
It was? I mean, I know old Tony went crazy
and all that, but I didn't feel I didn't And
then I know there was excitement, but it I don't know.
Maybe it's because it's it's this recency biased and all that,
(46:51):
but I didn't feel like it overwhelmed us like this year.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
Did I remember doing the show last year and and
joined the dog run Rodney. We needed to talk about
the Dodgers. That's what people wanted to talk about to
listen to the station. Yeah, we might have talked about
well when Eric came on, we did some football, but
not a lot. Kevin, if I'm right, During the Dodger play. Yeah,
(47:14):
because they had the Padre Series, which was in compelling, right,
that was compelling, and then they played the Yankees in
the World Series, so that that overwhelmed everything in this market.
So yeah, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
You know, maybe in my mind doesn't go allow me
to go back as far as but you're right, you're right.
It was these last two years. Football season doesn't start
until November, so let's just do this.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
Good Luck to the Rams and Chargers is a kick
off their season this weekend, at least in the minds
of the people here. Tomorrow afternoon that three relive the
memories of World Series Game seven, Dodgers become back to
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Speaker 2 (48:06):
We come back. We'll be joined by Delan Hernandez of
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