June 20, 2025 • 35 mins
David Vassegh joins us to recap the contentious Padres-Dodgers series. Lebron James doesnt understand 'Ring Culture' in the NBA, but Charles Barkley says that he does. So who's right?
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
And we continue on Fred Rogan, Rodney Pete on a
five to seventy LA Sports three hours today, we're heading home,
and before we do that, let's head out to Dodger
Stadium and welcome on David Bass. Dave Good afternoon.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hey, what's up guys out here at Dodger Stadium. Dino
ebolssong banning practice to his son Brady, who just got
back from the amateur combine, so ready to go for
this weekend series.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Yeah, big shout out to Brady. I watched a little
bit of that of his combine workout. Man, A Dino
must be so thrilled and so proud to see his
son go through that, man, and just with anticipation for
the draft, which is what a week away? Two weeks away?
When is that draft?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
That's actually during the All Star break. That's when they
moved the draft, so it happens during All Star Week
in the middle of July.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Okay, yeah, no relaxing for Dino until then.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
He might be throwing home run derby as well.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Oh that'd be sweet.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Who's going to be in the home run derby for
the Dodgers.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Teoscar Hernandez won won it last year, So we'll see
whether or not he makes All Star team this year
and whether or not the body is feeling good enough
to participate in that.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
All right, So Dave, let's talk about the series and
the way it ended last night. Both teams, the managers
kind of jawn at each other. From your perspective, how
did that all go down?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Well, I understand where the Padres frustration came from. I mean,
the Dodgers beat them two out of three in San Diego.
They won the first three games of the series here
at Dodgers Stadium, so obviously there's a lot of frustration
of futility from the Padres after losing the NLDS last
year and after the first two series this season, and
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also with the fact that Fernando Tattis Junior has only
been hit four times this year, three of those by
the Dodgers in the last week. So I'm all for
defending your superstars. You can't allow him to be hit
that many times without sending a message back in my opinion,
but the way the Padres went about it, to me,
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was not the right way. Hitting shoey Otani twice and
going close to the head last night. Randy Vasquez on
Tuesday night taking two tries to hit him. To me,
that's more egregious than anything else. But you know the
guys that hit Pat Tis Junior, lu Trevino twice and
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Jack Little. If you can't throw inside, if you can't
command inside, you shouldn't throw inside. So I understand their frustration.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Yeah, yeah, you can understay it got a little bit,
a little bit out of hand. Dave, what did you
make of the way Otani handled the last time he
got hit by gesturing to the dugout to hey, settle down,
nobody come out, Let's just be cool, and then going
over to the Padres dugout and saying, are we good?
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What'd you make of all that? Did we lose? Day?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Dave?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Are you there?
Speaker 1 (03:19):
We lost?
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Dave?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I think the na I'm here, I thought last night
on Dodger Talk, I felt like O'tani was kind of
trying to get into the Padres heads by going over
there and laughing it off with their dugout and shaking
hands with Luisa Rise. But you just hope that teams
don't feel like they can hit a Tani without repercussions,
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and if Otani's not going to be the guy that
charges the mound. When something like that happens, then his
teammates have to defend him as they were ready to do.
So we'll see if teams feel like they can come
inside without any repercussions on Honey moving forward, and we'll
see what happens the next time the Dodgers and Padres
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play in August.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
And when they do play, it's personal, now, you know, Dave,
this isn't just like another series every time they get together.
I think it's personal.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Well now it is, after the way Mike Schilt came
after Dave Roberts. I mean, now it's boiled over to
that part of it. It reminds me of you know,
a Rod putting his his hands into Jason Veritek's face
back when the Yankees and Red Sox rivalry was as
hot as it's been in a long time, Pedro throwing
Don Zimmer down. I mean, that's where the Dodgers and
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Padres are right now. And a lot of it stems
from the Padres because they are super emotional, they're super frustrated,
and they're the ones that let their emotions get the
best of them.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Yeah they did, Yeah they did. How big was this
series for the Dodgers. I wouldn't say this this particular series,
but the last week and a half where they took
five of seven for the Padres day Dave, what do
you think that that does to the Padre Psycle Psyche
and and and for the Dodgers going forward in this division?
It feels like now all the talk of big brother
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little brother, it just got emphasized.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
And on the field, well, I think that's where the
frustrations from Mike Schiltz came from last night, and he
used the Tattist Junior being hit to let them spill over.
And look, there is that inferiority complex similar to the
Sacramento Kings to the Lakers in the early two thousands.
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So there is all that, and I think that's where
a lot of their frustration comes from. Not to mention
two journeyman pitchers, one that made his debut last night
hitting Tattist Junior and hitting his hands. But Tattist Junior
has got to find a way to get out of
the way of that pitch. Oh yeah, I know it's
easier said than done. But the way Otani turned his
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back is the way players just don't do it anymore
because diving into pitches, So, Dave.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Last night, Dave Roberts pulled some of the starters out
of the game. Then it got a little tight at
the end. Some thought, well, why would you pull the
starters at all? You still got a chance to win.
I didn't have a problem with it. I mean, they'd
already won three of the games, and if you could
give guys a break, I thought it was a good idea.
What did you think?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I completely disagree. It's one thing if you take them
out in the fifth inning, then you're making a significant difference.
But you're taking them out in the eighth inning in
a five to nothing game. It wasn't sixteen to nothing, Fred,
And with this offense, anything can happen, as we saw
last night. So yeah, I thought you'd leave them in
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for the whole game once it's in the eighth inning.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Dave, any updates on injury and guys coming back that
you can tell us. I know we talked about that
not too long ago, but Blake's now, some other guys
coming back. Anything you could tell.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Us, Well, Blake trying to throw another aggressive bullpen before
the softball game yesterday and the Blake Snell. I hope
he starts facing hitters here soon, because he's thrown three
bullpens during this homestand so you would expect him to
be getting closer to doing that. Glass now is getting
closer to going out on a rehab assignment. So things
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are moving in the direction the Dodgers want them to,
just maybe not as fast as we all would like
them to.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Day let me get your take on this. Of course
you covered the Lakers, now the Dodgers. Thoughts on Mark
Walter buying the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I think it's a trend of professional sports. Read it's
unfortunate that, you know, family owned teams like the O'Malley's
and the Buses just can't do it anymore and compete
in this landscape. How is how is Genie Buss going
to compete with Steve Balmer?
Speaker 5 (07:56):
You know?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
How is you know, in this case with the Pods,
Peter Seidler and the Seidler family going to compete with
the Dodgers if they're owned by Guggenheim. It's just really tough.
So if there was anybody that you would love to
have owned the Lakers, it would be Mark Walter because
he really wants to win. He's not just in it
for the profit. He has a bigger vision, more than
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just the Dodgers and Lakers, and he understands that to
have that vision come to fruition, you've got to get
the star players. You've got to win games, you've got
to win championships, and he understands you've got to invest
to get the rewards from that. So I saw this
coming a mile away, especially when Mark Walter bought Philip
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Ann shoots his steak four years ago with the right
of first refusal to buy the Lakers. If Genie and
the rest of the kids decided to sell to me,
it was only a matter of time.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
All right, Well, Dave, we appreciate you jumping on. Thank
you for the inside as always, Hey guys, thank you.
All right, there goes David Bassey out at the stadium.
You know he interesting the way he described Mark Walter.
You know he's going to invest. There's something bigger here.
He wants to win. There's a bigger plan in place,
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not to pray, to spend all of that. Isn't it funny?
Steve Balmer is the same way and he can't win.
Isn't that interesting? And maybe it's the Spada What are
you talking about Oh, he wants to spend money, he
wants to invest, he wants to win, he's not shy.
I mean all of those things. But Balmber can't win.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Well. If you think if Steve Balmer had a chance
to buy the Lakers, he would have bought the Lakers
instead of the Clippers. Oh yeah, if Steve Bomber had
a chance to buy the Dodgers, he would have went
and bought the Dodgers. But Steve Bomber wanted to be
in the sports ownership business and the Clippers were an
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avenue for him to do that. And it's in LA
franchise and with those those guys at that level, you
figure that, Listen, I got I got a team in
a market that's the second biggest market in the world.
I can make this team a winner on and off
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the court. Sure, I would like the Lakers, but the
Lakers weren't available for him to buy at that point,
at that particular time. I don't think it's a slight
or fault of Steve Balmer. I think it's just a
matter of you know, the different different franchises, different situations,
all of those things that you have an opportunity. Look,
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Steve Balmer could go buy the Angels, right because he
wants a baseball team and it's profitable. Are the Angels
going to ever compete with the Dodgers? Probably not, But
if you want to be in that business, that may
be the only thing that's offered to you, or that's
up for you. But I don't think that it really
says anything about Steve Baumer that he can't win and
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Mark Walter's won with the Dodgers. Dodgers have always won.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Yeah, what I'm saying is it's just funny the uh,
the luck of the draw. Bomber gets it. He's just
committed to success as Mark Walter, but his team can't
get over the hump, just can't.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Well, we'll see what Mark Walter does with the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yeah, yeah, they go forward.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
You know, basketball is a different animal than baseball, so
we'll see.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
It takes time too. If you remember thirty years ago,
Mark Walter for the NBA was Mark Cuban. He brought
the Mavericks, who were terrible, a laughing stock in the
NBA for years. He had all these innovations and did
all this stuff and traded for all these guys and
blew through the luxury tax and they never won. Now
and then what it took him what twenty years into
his tenure as an owner to actually finally win a
championship And they always have and always will live under
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the shadow of the cowboys in that market. And maybe
they'll move to Vegas, who knows. But he still made
an illegitimate franchise legitimate. But sometimes it takes time. Because
Balmer hasn't won doesn't mean that he won't win with
the Runners. It just takes time.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
And once he does win, then the floodgates will open
for for for the Clippers. And I don't does anybody
believe that he won't find a way to get it
done in LA and eventually make the Clippers a team
that wins a championship.
Speaker 7 (12:20):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
I think it will happen. I think it would happen.
You know, it's at some point and then and in
their future. And to your point, Kevin, yeah, it takes time.
When you're a franchise that hasn't won, and hasn't you
know that had to get over the Donald Sterling stigma
for years.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
You got to rebuild that. And there will.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Come a time where I think that Steve Balmer because
he's doing all the right things and putting money into
the team that they will win. And once they do,
I think it will come in bunches for him.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
That would be great because he deserves it. He deserves it.
Think of the owners in town, Stan Kronkey, we know
he wants to win. We know he's not afraid to spend. Uh.
Obviously Mark Walter Steve Balmer hasn't but he's not afraid
to spend. Phil Anshoots I would say he wants to win.
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The Kings won a couple of cups. I would say
this to Sam Welli's in Orange County with the Ducks.
I think they want to win. They want to win, Yeah,
they do.
Speaker 8 (13:22):
I do.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
I think l A f C And the Galaxy both
want to win if you just start thinking about it.
In Dean, Spanos, I think he wants to win. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
And of all of them, he's got the least amount
of money, right, so I think he definitely wants to win.
He moved to LA and there's been a shift with
the with the Chargers since they've moved to LA. You
talked about this often, Fred, that you're in the big boy,
You're you're in the big boy market. Now, now you've
got to operate differently than you did when you're in
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San Diego. And they made that shift, you know, with
the you know, spending on a quart of spending on
the coach, spending on the infrastructure, and the Chargers are close,
they really are. So he understands that, but he just
doesn't have the pockets that the other owners in town have.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Yeah, but he he is committing to operate as he
should in Los Angeles. I give him credit for that. Yeah,
So it's funny not to take a shot. I don't
know why it always comes back to this, but if
you just go over the names of the people that
own teams in the market, and Orange County would count
the guy that can't figure figure it out is already
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everybody's committed to winning.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
But you know what Dean Spaniels did too, though, is
he swallowed a little bit of his pride and sold
the piece of the team within the last couple of
months because he knew he was operating, you know, at
a loss, and that he couldn't keep up. So I
know a lot of these people attach their identity to
the ownership of the franchises, like Invessise mentioned that it's
just hard to compete in this world. That even Dean
Spanels understood that. So I sold all pieces of the team.
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Mark Davis sold all pieces of the Raiders over the
last couple of years for that same reason. If you
want to compete and stay in it, you can do it,
but you got to swallow your pride and realize you
just can't be family run the way that things used
to be. It doesn't work that way anymore.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Already.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
Remember Rhino, if you wanted to could do that. He
probably could find some sort of deal out there where
he can have some sort of interest in the team
and be part of decision making on some.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
He certainly can find someone who's got deep, deep pockets
that could possibly be a minority owner, and you give
them the right to Like what Mark Walter had was,
you got to write a first refusal when the majority
ownership is at stake. You got that first right. He
could do that down in and Anaheim and and bring
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in the right the right person. There's enough the way
money is right now, there's enough billionaires out there that
would jump at the chance if already were to open
that up. You know, if you want to own a team,
and you guys actually explored keeping the Raiders in Oakland.
But if you want to own a team, I've always
wondered this.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
You let somebody who know you know, you know somebody
who knows somebody, and all of a sudden, what are
the leagues knows? Then? And then they vet you, you know,
if you're a serious person they think can be in
the club. And remember these leagues are partnerships. The owners
are partners in the league. So they vet you, they
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decide if you're the right kind of person, if they
want you or not, and then what what happens? You
just sit there and wait for a team to become available,
and if one becomes available, you raise your hand and
you only get one crack at it. So I know
Steve Cohen wanted to dollar.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Craps, you got, you get a several crack at it
if you're if they've vetted you and you you put
your hat in the ring for all of these teams,
and they all talk, all the leagues talk, they know
who's who, and you put your hat in the ring.
And once they've vetted you, they you you get one
of those first five calls. Hey, so and so is
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going to be available here in a moment, and are
you interested? And that's how close knit it really is,
is that. As you mentioned Steve Cohen, he wanted the Dodgers,
but he also wanted other you know, he wanted to
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be in the in the fraternity. He wanted a team,
and the Mets came available and he was able to
pay and get him. I remember Jeffrey Loriie. Jeffrey Loriie's
first option was the Patriots. He wanted the Patriots before
Bob Kraft and he was in a running for that.
He's from New England, He's from Massachusetts and wanted the
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Patriots with his childhood team really wanted him bad and
he lost out on the Patriots. But they came back
to him and said, listen, Philadelphia's going to be for
sale here.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
In a minute.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Do you want it? And they went back to him
and he said absolutely and got it. But Philadelphia was
not his first choice. But I'm wondering, Rodney. All right,
Jeffrey Lourie gets a call and they will Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
They're gonna be available, are you When he goes no,
I don't want Philadelphia. Do they come back to you? Nope? Right,
now I want Kansas City, Kansas.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Depends on who you are, depends on who you are,
you know, with just take the Walton family. They could
pick and choose who they want. They could say, we
want to be first in line for just give us
the first call when something comes available, right they got,
you know, obviously with Stan and the Rams and what
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they've done, and then you know, the top of money
they're dealing with, Denver came available. They got the call, Hey,
Denver's available, do you want to do it? And of
course they already know that they got the money to
do it, and they say yay or nay. They could
say nay and said, we're waiting on the Giants to
sell or waiting on the jets. We want to be
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on the on the East coast, so we're gonna pass
on Denver and keep us abreast of what's happening elsewhere
around the country.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
When you've got that, when you got.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
That kind of clout, and there are a number of
individuals and groups and families out there that have that
kind of clout that waiting next in line, you know,
just like with every league, NBA and this expansion that
everybody's talking about, they already know. There's a handful of
people already in line to make that happen.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
They know who's getting one of the teams already.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
They already got that locked up. They know who's getting
one of them. I'm gonna bet it's the Vegas franchise.
I'm gonna bet they know who's gonna get the Vegas franchise.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
I think so.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yeah, I'm gonna bet that they already know. But my
question was, again, Okay, you want in. We vetted you.
Everybody likes you. Guess what the let's pick a sport.
The Columbus Blue Jackets are available in hockey. We vetted you,
we like you, they're available. You want in. I'm wondering
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if you sat there and said, no, I'm waiting for
the Minnesota Wild again. Are they going to call you
back if you're the Walton family, maybe, But if you're
not the Walton family, we gave you a crack at it.
Are they going to call you back or you're out? So,
in other words, you better take what we offer you
or you get nothing.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah. It depends on Yeah, it depends on your relationship
with the leagues that are that you're talking to and
it might be come down to my preference is football,
and after that it is the NBA and then baseball
and then hockey, and that order. I want to own
one of these teams. So yes, Columbus may call, but
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I'm holding out for the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
And it's just your relationships.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Then yeah, it's a relationship, all right.
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Steve Nash.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
Why is ring culture so much more prevalent in the
NBA than in other sports?
Speaker 4 (22:24):
I don't know why I've discussed so much in our
sport and why is the alb all of everything, Like Okay,
you weren't a great player, if you never won a championship,
it's like, or if you won one, then you can't
be in the same conversation with this person. You sit
here and you tell me, you know Alan Iverson and
Charles Barkley and Steve Nash, wasn't unbelievable, Like, oh, they
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can't be talked about or discussed with these guys. Is
because this guy one one ring or one two rings
or one like It's just it's just weird to me.
It's like Sam Peyton Manning can't be in the same
room with Brady or Mahomes because he only has one ring.
They don't never discuss that in the sport or telling
me that Dan Marino is not the greatest slinger of
all time, or he can't be in a room with
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those guys because he didn't win a championship. They don't
discuss those things. You know, Barry Bonds never won a
world Seriously, you can't sit here and tell me that
he's the greatest baseball player to ever touch a bat.
A ring is a team accomplishment, and if you're happen
to have, you know, a moment where you're able to
share that with your team, that should be discussed. This
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team was the greatest team. Okay, that team. You can
have those conversations, but like trying to nitpick an individual
because he was not able to win a team game
or a team match, or whatever the case may be.
I just I don't know where it started. It's a
long conversation, especially when it comes to like, you know,
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it's so weird.
Speaker 8 (24:02):
It's so weird.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Okay, so that's Lebron talking about ring culture. Let's listen
to Charles Barkley on the All the Smoke podcast. But
those are the rules. It's like, it's like my rules.
Speaker 8 (24:14):
Hey, I'm in the Hall of Fame, but I'm in
a different wing than the guys who won the championship.
I mean, I no idea, but I'm saying, though, Jack,
I understand. I understand the rules. Like Charles a great call,
Malong's great, practice, Ewan's great. They're not at the table
with Magic Bird, Lebron, Kobe. It's levels to this ship.
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And I ain't mad at that. I understand that. Now,
if I could have won a championship, I can go
across the room. But the rules are the rules. And
this ain't gotten nothing with on TV who get paid
to talk to. We talked about players, right, we understand like, yeah, hey,
I'm not at the table with Bird. Imagine those Hey
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am I a great player?
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Yes?
Speaker 8 (25:02):
I am.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
I understand that.
Speaker 8 (25:04):
But there are levels and there's tables to this date.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Okay, Rodney h Ring, you call about that, Fred Lebron
and Charles Barkley, What do I think?
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Yeah? What do you think?
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Right off the bat? I think Charles Barkley and Lebron
both have a point. And here's Charles, here's Lebron's point.
Teams win games, not individuals. If an individual, if an
individual doesn't want a championship, it doesn't mean the individual
is not a great player. It's not a Hall of
Famer as Dan Marino, as the guys that have never
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won a title but are very very good sometimes in
simply luck of the draw. Now, as for Charles Barkley,
I didn't realize that was a very interesting analogy. He's
on the other side of the room because he didn't
want a title. I would think in the Hall of
Fame you are acknowledged for your individual performance and what
you have accomplished in your career, whether you won a
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title or not. Michael Jordan won titles, Kobe, but they
were on teams that could support that. So I don't
think you're any less of a great player if you
don't win a title. Sometimes I think it's just luck
of the draw. Now, Rodney, you played, so you would
have a much better perspective.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
It is luck of the draw. It is lucky to draw.
I don't like that comment. I don't like the narrative
that you're not a superstar. You can't be considered one
of the greatest of all time if you don't win
a championship and team sports, yes, and golf and tennis,
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you know you can't get to that level unless you've
got multiple Grand Slams, or you've won, you know, the
Master five times or US Open ten times or anything
like that, and then those two sports you can't be
on the same level as anyone else. You could win
and have more wins than anybody, but if you don't
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win those titles in individual sports, you can't be put
in the same category. And it is a narrative that
so many people have latched onto when it comes to
team sports, that you have to have won a championship,
and yet in the same breath they'll say, Wow, this
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team game, you got to play as a team, blah
blah blah. It's about the team. But when it comes
to individual accolades, they don't want to say that, and
they want to dismiss the fact that it's a team. Look,
Barry Sanders is the best running back I've ever seen.
(27:50):
He's the best running back that I first of all
that I played with. But he's the best running back
in my opinion, that has ever played the game ever.
And he never came close to winning a Super Bowl?
So are we going to diminish him for not having
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a ring? And I know it's different, and that's the
unfortunate part. It's different for running backs and quarterbacks or
any other position in quarterbacks, if you're a quarterback, you
better have won a title and you better have won
a super Bowl. Otherwise you're not going to get the credit.
You know, when they talk about greatest of all time,
Dan Marino's name is never really mentioned.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
No, and Dan Marino.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Is top two three quarterbacks of all time, but yet
his name does not get thrown in there with Brady
and Manning and Montana Elway those guys because he didn't
win one. But from a pure quarterback playing the position standpoint,
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dan Marino as good as all of them.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah, do you? And certainly players don't look at you
any differently, or do they if you've not won a title.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
No, that's for fodder, and that's for you know, Shack
to get on Chuck and rub him and you know,
get under his skin when they're they're doing that thing
on TNT with he and Kenny, and Kenny's won a
couple of titles, and you know, Shaq obviously he's got
five and Charles got zero and they they tease, they
tease Chuck about that, but deep down inside, no, they
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don't believe that. They don't believe that. It's you've got
to have a ring in order to be a and
considered one of the best of all time. They really
don't deep down. Now it's like I said, it's it's
for it's for conversation, it's for good back and forth.
But they deep down they don't. They know that it
takes a team, and if you're not on the right team,
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you don't get those rings. I don't care how good
you are.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Do you blame guys that if they they're available a
pre agent, they would be more apt to sign with
a team that really has a shot to win a ring.
Do you blame guys for that? Rodney?
Speaker 3 (30:06):
No, No, because at the end of the day, you
want to win. You you you know, money is great, obviously,
if you're fortunate enough to go on and play from
from Little league all the way through through the NBA,
NFL or professional sports, you're you're very lucky to be
able to do that. But the one thing that never
leaves you is that you want to win. You always
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want to win. Winning is the most important thing. You
can get awards, you can get individual accomplishments, but winning
is the most important thing. There's nothing like winning. And
so I do not I do not blame guys that
want to go to a place where they think they
can win. It's the reason why players want to come
to the Dodgers. We talk about it every day. Players
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want to come to the Dodgers so they can get
a ring, so they can win a championship. They're canna
be in the conversation every single year and becomes outside
of you know, the money. When you make the money,
that's great, But after a period of time, the money
is the money. It is about I want a championship.
I want to be able to put a plaque up
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in my office or have my ring in my safe
deposit box that I want a championship.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
That is the most important thing. All right, Well we'll
be back to button this one up and send you
over to Petrosen Money next.
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Speaker 3 (31:52):
Oh Yes, come on. Let's go Rodney Pete free Rogan
home stretch on a Friday.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
All right, So the Padres are gone and we welcome
in the Washington Nationals, a team ever on the rebuild.
Their manager, Dave Martinez, was asked earlier in the year
when the Nationals were struggling, you know, maybe the coaches
could do something here. You know, what can the coaches do?
And he responded basically by saying, well, I'll tell you
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what the coaches can do. What they're doing. It's not
the coaches, it's the players. The players need to play better.
We can't hit for them, we can't pitch for them.
We're doing our job. They're not doing theirs, Which would
say to me, this could be Dave Martinez's last year
as manager of the Nationals.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Do you think so?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Yeah? I got a feeling that that he already pretty
much of a misstep there. Granted they are rebuilding, they
are young. Two very good players, actually three, you'll see tonight.
Their pitcher Mackenzie Gore. He went over to Washington in
the trade with the Padres for Juan Soto some years back,
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and uh, he'll be pitching against Clayton Kershaw and Kershaw
has been terrific so far. I think a surprise in
everybody's mind. Two other players you will see both very
good for Washington, the shortstop CJ. Abrams. He also was
included in that one Soto deal. But the guy you
want to keep an eye on is James Wood. He's
an outfielder. I think he hits second. And this guy
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is a stud. He is a complete and total stud.
You know, he will make people forget about their favorite outfielder. No,
he'll probably go for five tonight, but he can really hit.
He will be a lot of fun to watch.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
He jinks him, Fred, he absolutely chinks him. Yeah, going
back to the statement, you know, it very well may
be true that it's you know, at the end of
the day. I've always said this too, that you know,
it's the players. Players win, players win and lose. Managers. Yeah,
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they put you in a position they should put you
in a position to succeed, and put put you in
a position to win. But the end of the day,
it's the players you can't hit from, can't throw from.
We made the saying our argument when you know, we
often used to talk about Dave Roberts, you know, and
decisions that he made and you know, in the seventh, eighth, ninth,
any and he's like, you can't he can't pitch for
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the Dodgers, he can't hit for the Dodgers. He's got
what he's got to work with, and guys that didn't
didn't come through. But when you do that over a
course of a season or a couple of seasons, then
it starts to point back at the manager. So although
that statement could very well be true, it's just something
that you keep in the house. You don't really say
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that out loud.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Fred, No, you can't say that. Everybody knows. You can't
say that. He knew you couldn't say that, which pretty
much you know, and look, which is why he said.
You know, he's gone, Yeah, he knows. He can't say that.
He's frustrated. It's a long process. I mean then they
went from having a team with Max Scherzer to that
and just trying to piece the squad together, get a
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little better every year and hopefully be able to contend.
They do have some good young players, so I think
it'll be an interesting series over the weekend. Ronnie, thank you,
great job today. Really appreciate it. Kevin, good work. Our
best to Oliver tell Ollie. We said hello, thank you Fred.
We'll do it. Oh love Olie, appreciate it. Rodney, good weekend.
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We get a Monday, yes, sir,
And we continue on Fred Rogan, Rodney Pete on a
five to seventy LA Sports three hours today, we're heading home,
and before we do that, let's head out to Dodger
Stadium and welcome on David Bass. Dave Good afternoon.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hey, what's up guys out here at Dodger Stadium. Dino
ebolssong banning practice to his son Brady, who just got
back from the amateur combine, so ready to go for
this weekend series.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Yeah, big shout out to Brady. I watched a little
bit of that of his combine workout. Man, A Dino
must be so thrilled and so proud to see his
son go through that, man, and just with anticipation for
the draft, which is what a week away? Two weeks away?
When is that draft?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
That's actually during the All Star break. That's when they
moved the draft, so it happens during All Star Week
in the middle of July.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Okay, yeah, no relaxing for Dino until then.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
He might be throwing home run derby as well.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Oh that'd be sweet.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Who's going to be in the home run derby for
the Dodgers.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Teoscar Hernandez won won it last year, So we'll see
whether or not he makes All Star team this year
and whether or not the body is feeling good enough
to participate in that.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
All right, So Dave, let's talk about the series and
the way it ended last night. Both teams, the managers
kind of jawn at each other. From your perspective, how
did that all go down?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Well, I understand where the Padres frustration came from. I mean,
the Dodgers beat them two out of three in San Diego.
They won the first three games of the series here
at Dodgers Stadium, so obviously there's a lot of frustration
of futility from the Padres after losing the NLDS last
year and after the first two series this season, and
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also with the fact that Fernando Tattis Junior has only
been hit four times this year, three of those by
the Dodgers in the last week. So I'm all for
defending your superstars. You can't allow him to be hit
that many times without sending a message back in my opinion,
but the way the Padres went about it, to me,
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was not the right way. Hitting shoey Otani twice and
going close to the head last night. Randy Vasquez on
Tuesday night taking two tries to hit him. To me,
that's more egregious than anything else. But you know the
guys that hit Pat Tis Junior, lu Trevino twice and
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Jack Little. If you can't throw inside, if you can't
command inside, you shouldn't throw inside. So I understand their frustration.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Yeah, yeah, you can understay it got a little bit,
a little bit out of hand. Dave, what did you
make of the way Otani handled the last time he
got hit by gesturing to the dugout to hey, settle down,
nobody come out, Let's just be cool, and then going
over to the Padres dugout and saying, are we good?
(03:07):
What'd you make of all that? Did we lose? Day?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Dave?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Are you there?
Speaker 1 (03:19):
We lost?
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Dave?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I think the na I'm here, I thought last night
on Dodger Talk, I felt like O'tani was kind of
trying to get into the Padres heads by going over
there and laughing it off with their dugout and shaking
hands with Luisa Rise. But you just hope that teams
don't feel like they can hit a Tani without repercussions,
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and if Otani's not going to be the guy that
charges the mound. When something like that happens, then his
teammates have to defend him as they were ready to do.
So we'll see if teams feel like they can come
inside without any repercussions on Honey moving forward, and we'll
see what happens the next time the Dodgers and Padres
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play in August.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
And when they do play, it's personal, now, you know, Dave,
this isn't just like another series every time they get together.
I think it's personal.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Well now it is, after the way Mike Schilt came
after Dave Roberts. I mean, now it's boiled over to
that part of it. It reminds me of you know,
a Rod putting his his hands into Jason Veritek's face
back when the Yankees and Red Sox rivalry was as
hot as it's been in a long time, Pedro throwing
Don Zimmer down. I mean, that's where the Dodgers and
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Padres are right now. And a lot of it stems
from the Padres because they are super emotional, they're super frustrated,
and they're the ones that let their emotions get the
best of them.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Yeah they did, Yeah they did. How big was this
series for the Dodgers. I wouldn't say this this particular series,
but the last week and a half where they took
five of seven for the Padres day Dave, what do
you think that that does to the Padre Psycle Psyche
and and and for the Dodgers going forward in this division?
It feels like now all the talk of big brother
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little brother, it just got emphasized.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
And on the field, well, I think that's where the
frustrations from Mike Schiltz came from last night, and he
used the Tattist Junior being hit to let them spill over.
And look, there is that inferiority complex similar to the
Sacramento Kings to the Lakers in the early two thousands.
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So there is all that, and I think that's where
a lot of their frustration comes from. Not to mention
two journeyman pitchers, one that made his debut last night
hitting Tattist Junior and hitting his hands. But Tattist Junior
has got to find a way to get out of
the way of that pitch. Oh yeah, I know it's
easier said than done. But the way Otani turned his
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back is the way players just don't do it anymore
because diving into pitches, So, Dave.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Last night, Dave Roberts pulled some of the starters out
of the game. Then it got a little tight at
the end. Some thought, well, why would you pull the
starters at all? You still got a chance to win.
I didn't have a problem with it. I mean, they'd
already won three of the games, and if you could
give guys a break, I thought it was a good idea.
What did you think?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I completely disagree. It's one thing if you take them
out in the fifth inning, then you're making a significant difference.
But you're taking them out in the eighth inning in
a five to nothing game. It wasn't sixteen to nothing, Fred,
And with this offense, anything can happen, as we saw
last night. So yeah, I thought you'd leave them in
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for the whole game once it's in the eighth inning.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Dave, any updates on injury and guys coming back that
you can tell us. I know we talked about that
not too long ago, but Blake's now, some other guys
coming back. Anything you could tell.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Us, Well, Blake trying to throw another aggressive bullpen before
the softball game yesterday and the Blake Snell. I hope
he starts facing hitters here soon, because he's thrown three
bullpens during this homestand so you would expect him to
be getting closer to doing that. Glass now is getting
closer to going out on a rehab assignment. So things
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are moving in the direction the Dodgers want them to,
just maybe not as fast as we all would like
them to.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Day let me get your take on this. Of course
you covered the Lakers, now the Dodgers. Thoughts on Mark
Walter buying the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I think it's a trend of professional sports. Read it's
unfortunate that, you know, family owned teams like the O'Malley's
and the Buses just can't do it anymore and compete
in this landscape. How is how is Genie Buss going
to compete with Steve Balmer?
Speaker 5 (07:56):
You know?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
How is you know, in this case with the Pods,
Peter Seidler and the Seidler family going to compete with
the Dodgers if they're owned by Guggenheim. It's just really tough.
So if there was anybody that you would love to
have owned the Lakers, it would be Mark Walter because
he really wants to win. He's not just in it
for the profit. He has a bigger vision, more than
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just the Dodgers and Lakers, and he understands that to
have that vision come to fruition, you've got to get
the star players. You've got to win games, you've got
to win championships, and he understands you've got to invest
to get the rewards from that. So I saw this
coming a mile away, especially when Mark Walter bought Philip
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Ann shoots his steak four years ago with the right
of first refusal to buy the Lakers. If Genie and
the rest of the kids decided to sell to me,
it was only a matter of time.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
All right, Well, Dave, we appreciate you jumping on. Thank
you for the inside as always, Hey guys, thank you.
All right, there goes David Bassey out at the stadium.
You know he interesting the way he described Mark Walter.
You know he's going to invest. There's something bigger here.
He wants to win. There's a bigger plan in place,
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not to pray, to spend all of that. Isn't it funny?
Steve Balmer is the same way and he can't win.
Isn't that interesting? And maybe it's the Spada What are
you talking about Oh, he wants to spend money, he
wants to invest, he wants to win, he's not shy.
I mean all of those things. But Balmber can't win.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Well. If you think if Steve Balmer had a chance
to buy the Lakers, he would have bought the Lakers
instead of the Clippers. Oh yeah, if Steve Bomber had
a chance to buy the Dodgers, he would have went
and bought the Dodgers. But Steve Bomber wanted to be
in the sports ownership business and the Clippers were an
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avenue for him to do that. And it's in LA
franchise and with those those guys at that level, you
figure that, Listen, I got I got a team in
a market that's the second biggest market in the world.
I can make this team a winner on and off
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the court. Sure, I would like the Lakers, but the
Lakers weren't available for him to buy at that point,
at that particular time. I don't think it's a slight
or fault of Steve Balmer. I think it's just a
matter of you know, the different different franchises, different situations,
all of those things that you have an opportunity. Look,
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Steve Balmer could go buy the Angels, right because he
wants a baseball team and it's profitable. Are the Angels
going to ever compete with the Dodgers? Probably not, But
if you want to be in that business, that may
be the only thing that's offered to you, or that's
up for you. But I don't think that it really
says anything about Steve Baumer that he can't win and
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Mark Walter's won with the Dodgers. Dodgers have always won.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Yeah, what I'm saying is it's just funny the uh,
the luck of the draw. Bomber gets it. He's just
committed to success as Mark Walter, but his team can't
get over the hump, just can't.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Well, we'll see what Mark Walter does with the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yeah, yeah, they go forward.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
You know, basketball is a different animal than baseball, so
we'll see.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
It takes time too. If you remember thirty years ago,
Mark Walter for the NBA was Mark Cuban. He brought
the Mavericks, who were terrible, a laughing stock in the
NBA for years. He had all these innovations and did
all this stuff and traded for all these guys and
blew through the luxury tax and they never won. Now
and then what it took him what twenty years into
his tenure as an owner to actually finally win a
championship And they always have and always will live under
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the shadow of the cowboys in that market. And maybe
they'll move to Vegas, who knows. But he still made
an illegitimate franchise legitimate. But sometimes it takes time. Because
Balmer hasn't won doesn't mean that he won't win with
the Runners. It just takes time.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
And once he does win, then the floodgates will open
for for for the Clippers. And I don't does anybody
believe that he won't find a way to get it
done in LA and eventually make the Clippers a team
that wins a championship.
Speaker 7 (12:20):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
I think it will happen. I think it would happen.
You know, it's at some point and then and in
their future. And to your point, Kevin, yeah, it takes time.
When you're a franchise that hasn't won, and hasn't you
know that had to get over the Donald Sterling stigma
for years.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
You got to rebuild that. And there will.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Come a time where I think that Steve Balmer because
he's doing all the right things and putting money into
the team that they will win. And once they do,
I think it will come in bunches for him.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
That would be great because he deserves it. He deserves it.
Think of the owners in town, Stan Kronkey, we know
he wants to win. We know he's not afraid to spend. Uh.
Obviously Mark Walter Steve Balmer hasn't but he's not afraid
to spend. Phil Anshoots I would say he wants to win.
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The Kings won a couple of cups. I would say
this to Sam Welli's in Orange County with the Ducks.
I think they want to win. They want to win, Yeah,
they do.
Speaker 8 (13:22):
I do.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
I think l A f C And the Galaxy both
want to win if you just start thinking about it.
In Dean, Spanos, I think he wants to win. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
And of all of them, he's got the least amount
of money, right, so I think he definitely wants to win.
He moved to LA and there's been a shift with
the with the Chargers since they've moved to LA. You
talked about this often, Fred, that you're in the big boy,
You're you're in the big boy market. Now, now you've
got to operate differently than you did when you're in
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San Diego. And they made that shift, you know, with
the you know, spending on a quart of spending on
the coach, spending on the infrastructure, and the Chargers are close,
they really are. So he understands that, but he just
doesn't have the pockets that the other owners in town have.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Yeah, but he he is committing to operate as he
should in Los Angeles. I give him credit for that. Yeah,
So it's funny not to take a shot. I don't
know why it always comes back to this, but if
you just go over the names of the people that
own teams in the market, and Orange County would count
the guy that can't figure figure it out is already
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everybody's committed to winning.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
But you know what Dean Spaniels did too, though, is
he swallowed a little bit of his pride and sold
the piece of the team within the last couple of
months because he knew he was operating, you know, at
a loss, and that he couldn't keep up. So I
know a lot of these people attach their identity to
the ownership of the franchises, like Invessise mentioned that it's
just hard to compete in this world. That even Dean
Spanels understood that. So I sold all pieces of the team.
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Mark Davis sold all pieces of the Raiders over the
last couple of years for that same reason. If you
want to compete and stay in it, you can do it,
but you got to swallow your pride and realize you
just can't be family run the way that things used
to be. It doesn't work that way anymore.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Already.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
Remember Rhino, if you wanted to could do that. He
probably could find some sort of deal out there where
he can have some sort of interest in the team
and be part of decision making on some.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
He certainly can find someone who's got deep, deep pockets
that could possibly be a minority owner, and you give
them the right to Like what Mark Walter had was,
you got to write a first refusal when the majority
ownership is at stake. You got that first right. He
could do that down in and Anaheim and and bring
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in the right the right person. There's enough the way
money is right now, there's enough billionaires out there that
would jump at the chance if already were to open
that up. You know, if you want to own a team,
and you guys actually explored keeping the Raiders in Oakland.
But if you want to own a team, I've always
wondered this.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
You let somebody who know you know, you know somebody
who knows somebody, and all of a sudden, what are
the leagues knows? Then? And then they vet you, you know,
if you're a serious person they think can be in
the club. And remember these leagues are partnerships. The owners
are partners in the league. So they vet you, they
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decide if you're the right kind of person, if they
want you or not, and then what what happens? You
just sit there and wait for a team to become available,
and if one becomes available, you raise your hand and
you only get one crack at it. So I know
Steve Cohen wanted to dollar.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Craps, you got, you get a several crack at it
if you're if they've vetted you and you you put
your hat in the ring for all of these teams,
and they all talk, all the leagues talk, they know
who's who, and you put your hat in the ring.
And once they've vetted you, they you you get one
of those first five calls. Hey, so and so is
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going to be available here in a moment, and are
you interested? And that's how close knit it really is,
is that. As you mentioned Steve Cohen, he wanted the Dodgers,
but he also wanted other you know, he wanted to
(17:20):
be in the in the fraternity. He wanted a team,
and the Mets came available and he was able to
pay and get him. I remember Jeffrey Loriie. Jeffrey Loriie's
first option was the Patriots. He wanted the Patriots before
Bob Kraft and he was in a running for that.
He's from New England, He's from Massachusetts and wanted the
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Patriots with his childhood team really wanted him bad and
he lost out on the Patriots. But they came back
to him and said, listen, Philadelphia's going to be for
sale here.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
In a minute.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Do you want it? And they went back to him
and he said absolutely and got it. But Philadelphia was
not his first choice. But I'm wondering, Rodney. All right,
Jeffrey Lourie gets a call and they will Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
They're gonna be available, are you When he goes no,
I don't want Philadelphia. Do they come back to you? Nope? Right,
now I want Kansas City, Kansas.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Depends on who you are, depends on who you are,
you know, with just take the Walton family. They could
pick and choose who they want. They could say, we
want to be first in line for just give us
the first call when something comes available, right they got,
you know, obviously with Stan and the Rams and what
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they've done, and then you know, the top of money
they're dealing with, Denver came available. They got the call, Hey,
Denver's available, do you want to do it? And of
course they already know that they got the money to
do it, and they say yay or nay. They could
say nay and said, we're waiting on the Giants to
sell or waiting on the jets. We want to be
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on the on the East coast, so we're gonna pass
on Denver and keep us abreast of what's happening elsewhere
around the country.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
When you've got that, when you got.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
That kind of clout, and there are a number of
individuals and groups and families out there that have that
kind of clout that waiting next in line, you know,
just like with every league, NBA and this expansion that
everybody's talking about, they already know. There's a handful of
people already in line to make that happen.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
They know who's getting one of the teams already.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
They already got that locked up. They know who's getting
one of them. I'm gonna bet it's the Vegas franchise.
I'm gonna bet they know who's gonna get the Vegas franchise.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
I think so.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yeah, I'm gonna bet that they already know. But my
question was, again, Okay, you want in. We vetted you.
Everybody likes you. Guess what the let's pick a sport.
The Columbus Blue Jackets are available in hockey. We vetted you,
we like you, they're available. You want in. I'm wondering
(20:10):
if you sat there and said, no, I'm waiting for
the Minnesota Wild again. Are they going to call you
back if you're the Walton family, maybe, But if you're
not the Walton family, we gave you a crack at it.
Are they going to call you back or you're out? So,
in other words, you better take what we offer you
or you get nothing.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah. It depends on Yeah, it depends on your relationship
with the leagues that are that you're talking to and
it might be come down to my preference is football,
and after that it is the NBA and then baseball
and then hockey, and that order. I want to own
one of these teams. So yes, Columbus may call, but
(20:51):
I'm holding out for the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
And it's just your relationships.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Then yeah, it's a relationship, all right.
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the first one will be Lebron from his podcast with
(22:19):
Steve Nash.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
Why is ring culture so much more prevalent in the
NBA than in other sports?
Speaker 4 (22:24):
I don't know why I've discussed so much in our
sport and why is the alb all of everything, Like Okay,
you weren't a great player, if you never won a championship,
it's like, or if you won one, then you can't
be in the same conversation with this person. You sit
here and you tell me, you know Alan Iverson and
Charles Barkley and Steve Nash, wasn't unbelievable, Like, oh, they
(22:50):
can't be talked about or discussed with these guys. Is
because this guy one one ring or one two rings
or one like It's just it's just weird to me.
It's like Sam Peyton Manning can't be in the same
room with Brady or Mahomes because he only has one ring.
They don't never discuss that in the sport or telling
me that Dan Marino is not the greatest slinger of
all time, or he can't be in a room with
(23:12):
those guys because he didn't win a championship. They don't
discuss those things. You know, Barry Bonds never won a
world Seriously, you can't sit here and tell me that
he's the greatest baseball player to ever touch a bat.
A ring is a team accomplishment, and if you're happen
to have, you know, a moment where you're able to
share that with your team, that should be discussed. This
(23:36):
team was the greatest team. Okay, that team. You can
have those conversations, but like trying to nitpick an individual
because he was not able to win a team game
or a team match, or whatever the case may be.
I just I don't know where it started. It's a
long conversation, especially when it comes to like, you know,
(24:01):
it's so weird.
Speaker 8 (24:02):
It's so weird.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Okay, so that's Lebron talking about ring culture. Let's listen
to Charles Barkley on the All the Smoke podcast. But
those are the rules. It's like, it's like my rules.
Speaker 8 (24:14):
Hey, I'm in the Hall of Fame, but I'm in
a different wing than the guys who won the championship.
I mean, I no idea, but I'm saying, though, Jack,
I understand. I understand the rules. Like Charles a great call,
Malong's great, practice, Ewan's great. They're not at the table
with Magic Bird, Lebron, Kobe. It's levels to this ship.
(24:39):
And I ain't mad at that. I understand that. Now,
if I could have won a championship, I can go
across the room. But the rules are the rules. And
this ain't gotten nothing with on TV who get paid
to talk to. We talked about players, right, we understand like, yeah, hey,
I'm not at the table with Bird. Imagine those Hey
(25:00):
am I a great player?
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Yes?
Speaker 8 (25:02):
I am.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
I understand that.
Speaker 8 (25:04):
But there are levels and there's tables to this date.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Okay, Rodney h Ring, you call about that, Fred Lebron
and Charles Barkley, What do I think?
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Yeah? What do you think?
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Right off the bat? I think Charles Barkley and Lebron
both have a point. And here's Charles, here's Lebron's point.
Teams win games, not individuals. If an individual, if an
individual doesn't want a championship, it doesn't mean the individual
is not a great player. It's not a Hall of
Famer as Dan Marino, as the guys that have never
(25:38):
won a title but are very very good sometimes in
simply luck of the draw. Now, as for Charles Barkley,
I didn't realize that was a very interesting analogy. He's
on the other side of the room because he didn't
want a title. I would think in the Hall of
Fame you are acknowledged for your individual performance and what
you have accomplished in your career, whether you won a
(26:01):
title or not. Michael Jordan won titles, Kobe, but they
were on teams that could support that. So I don't
think you're any less of a great player if you
don't win a title. Sometimes I think it's just luck
of the draw. Now, Rodney, you played, so you would
have a much better perspective.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
It is luck of the draw. It is lucky to draw.
I don't like that comment. I don't like the narrative
that you're not a superstar. You can't be considered one
of the greatest of all time if you don't win
a championship and team sports, yes, and golf and tennis,
(26:46):
you know you can't get to that level unless you've
got multiple Grand Slams, or you've won, you know, the
Master five times or US Open ten times or anything
like that, and then those two sports you can't be
on the same level as anyone else. You could win
and have more wins than anybody, but if you don't
(27:07):
win those titles in individual sports, you can't be put
in the same category. And it is a narrative that
so many people have latched onto when it comes to
team sports, that you have to have won a championship,
and yet in the same breath they'll say, Wow, this
(27:27):
team game, you got to play as a team, blah
blah blah. It's about the team. But when it comes
to individual accolades, they don't want to say that, and
they want to dismiss the fact that it's a team. Look,
Barry Sanders is the best running back I've ever seen.
(27:50):
He's the best running back that I first of all
that I played with. But he's the best running back
in my opinion, that has ever played the game ever.
And he never came close to winning a Super Bowl?
So are we going to diminish him for not having
(28:13):
a ring? And I know it's different, and that's the
unfortunate part. It's different for running backs and quarterbacks or
any other position in quarterbacks, if you're a quarterback, you
better have won a title and you better have won
a super Bowl. Otherwise you're not going to get the credit.
You know, when they talk about greatest of all time,
Dan Marino's name is never really mentioned.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
No, and Dan Marino.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Is top two three quarterbacks of all time, but yet
his name does not get thrown in there with Brady
and Manning and Montana Elway those guys because he didn't
win one. But from a pure quarterback playing the position standpoint,
(28:58):
dan Marino as good as all of them.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah, do you? And certainly players don't look at you
any differently, or do they if you've not won a title.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
No, that's for fodder, and that's for you know, Shack
to get on Chuck and rub him and you know,
get under his skin when they're they're doing that thing
on TNT with he and Kenny, and Kenny's won a
couple of titles, and you know, Shaq obviously he's got
five and Charles got zero and they they tease, they
tease Chuck about that, but deep down inside, no, they
(29:29):
don't believe that. They don't believe that. It's you've got
to have a ring in order to be a and
considered one of the best of all time. They really
don't deep down. Now it's like I said, it's it's
for it's for conversation, it's for good back and forth.
But they deep down they don't. They know that it
takes a team, and if you're not on the right team,
(29:52):
you don't get those rings. I don't care how good
you are.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Do you blame guys that if they they're available a
pre agent, they would be more apt to sign with
a team that really has a shot to win a ring.
Do you blame guys for that? Rodney?
Speaker 3 (30:06):
No, No, because at the end of the day, you
want to win. You you you know, money is great, obviously,
if you're fortunate enough to go on and play from
from Little league all the way through through the NBA,
NFL or professional sports, you're you're very lucky to be
able to do that. But the one thing that never
leaves you is that you want to win. You always
(30:29):
want to win. Winning is the most important thing. You
can get awards, you can get individual accomplishments, but winning
is the most important thing. There's nothing like winning. And
so I do not I do not blame guys that
want to go to a place where they think they
can win. It's the reason why players want to come
to the Dodgers. We talk about it every day. Players
(30:50):
want to come to the Dodgers so they can get
a ring, so they can win a championship. They're canna
be in the conversation every single year and becomes outside
of you know, the money. When you make the money,
that's great, But after a period of time, the money
is the money. It is about I want a championship.
I want to be able to put a plaque up
(31:11):
in my office or have my ring in my safe
deposit box that I want a championship.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
That is the most important thing. All right, Well we'll
be back to button this one up and send you
over to Petrosen Money next.
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Speaker 3 (31:52):
Oh Yes, come on. Let's go Rodney Pete free Rogan
home stretch on a Friday.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
All right, So the Padres are gone and we welcome
in the Washington Nationals, a team ever on the rebuild.
Their manager, Dave Martinez, was asked earlier in the year
when the Nationals were struggling, you know, maybe the coaches
could do something here. You know, what can the coaches do?
And he responded basically by saying, well, I'll tell you
(32:23):
what the coaches can do. What they're doing. It's not
the coaches, it's the players. The players need to play better.
We can't hit for them, we can't pitch for them.
We're doing our job. They're not doing theirs, Which would
say to me, this could be Dave Martinez's last year
as manager of the Nationals.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Do you think so?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Yeah? I got a feeling that that he already pretty
much of a misstep there. Granted they are rebuilding, they
are young. Two very good players, actually three, you'll see tonight.
Their pitcher Mackenzie Gore. He went over to Washington in
the trade with the Padres for Juan Soto some years back,
(33:00):
and uh, he'll be pitching against Clayton Kershaw and Kershaw
has been terrific so far. I think a surprise in
everybody's mind. Two other players you will see both very
good for Washington, the shortstop CJ. Abrams. He also was
included in that one Soto deal. But the guy you
want to keep an eye on is James Wood. He's
an outfielder. I think he hits second. And this guy
(33:23):
is a stud. He is a complete and total stud.
You know, he will make people forget about their favorite outfielder. No,
he'll probably go for five tonight, but he can really hit.
He will be a lot of fun to watch.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
He jinks him, Fred, he absolutely chinks him. Yeah, going
back to the statement, you know, it very well may
be true that it's you know, at the end of
the day. I've always said this too, that you know,
it's the players. Players win, players win and lose. Managers. Yeah,
(34:00):
they put you in a position they should put you
in a position to succeed, and put put you in
a position to win. But the end of the day,
it's the players you can't hit from, can't throw from.
We made the saying our argument when you know, we
often used to talk about Dave Roberts, you know, and
decisions that he made and you know, in the seventh, eighth, ninth,
any and he's like, you can't he can't pitch for
(34:20):
the Dodgers, he can't hit for the Dodgers. He's got
what he's got to work with, and guys that didn't
didn't come through. But when you do that over a
course of a season or a couple of seasons, then
it starts to point back at the manager. So although
that statement could very well be true, it's just something
that you keep in the house. You don't really say
(34:41):
that out loud.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Fred, No, you can't say that. Everybody knows. You can't
say that. He knew you couldn't say that, which pretty
much you know, and look, which is why he said.
You know, he's gone, Yeah, he knows. He can't say that.
He's frustrated. It's a long process. I mean then they
went from having a team with Max Scherzer to that
and just trying to piece the squad together, get a
(35:05):
little better every year and hopefully be able to contend.
They do have some good young players, so I think
it'll be an interesting series over the weekend. Ronnie, thank you,
great job today. Really appreciate it. Kevin, good work. Our
best to Oliver tell Ollie. We said hello, thank you Fred.
We'll do it. Oh love Olie, appreciate it. Rodney, good weekend.
(35:25):
We get a Monday, yes, sir,
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