March 6, 2025 • 31 mins
In this episode, Markivus and Scharonne reflect on the Matrix franchise, sharing interesting insights and discussing the latest installment, Matrix 4. Join us as we explore our perspectives on the franchise and its cultural significance.
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
That's not what I'm from.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Evening after where you are.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
In the world forty something gamers Podcast something Gamers best Friends,
and we'd like to talk about video games and this,
you know, pop culture and things that were popping back
when we were younger and stuff. So today we got
a special treatment around how it's going, Brotherly, what's going
(00:39):
on with my dude?
Speaker 4 (00:40):
How's it going?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
It's going pretty good, man.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
So today we're gonna talk about the movie that came
out back.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
In the Matril hundred and nineties, and that's The Matrix.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
So this episode we're talking about the Matrix, the series
and video games and things and and fun facts that
we know about the Matrix. So what's your experience with
the Matrix franchise?
Speaker 5 (01:07):
Man, The first time I saw that movie, it was crazy.
I didn't know what I was walking into. And I
can remember like going to the movie theater and you know,
sitting there, it had that eyd twingy looking color and
I thought I was tripping.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I even looked.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
I even went into the lobby and told them if
something was wrong with the camera, you know, because of
it just looked off, you know. But other than that,
you know, the Matrix was once I found out that
it wasn't that was the way it was supposed to
have been.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
You know, the experience was crazy.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
You know, it's like very there's like a lot of
philosophical kind of traits and everything, but that action. Man, look,
it's like nothing you've ever seen about you.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
So basically when The Matrix came out, I was I
was stating that as more Cinn California. And actually one
of my friends shout out to Danny Hayes has saw
The Matrix and he tried to explain the movie to me.
So think about it, like, right now, the Matrix poplar.
(02:13):
It is a part of popular culture. But imagine somebody
explaining to you when you've never you know, heard about
The Matrix about a movie where hey, we're living in
this matrix. You know, you take this green or you
know this red or blue pill and all this other stuff.
So as he's explaining this movie to me, I'm like, man,
(02:33):
like what is he talking about?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
This is crazy? And I have to see the movie.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
And like you, they had a certain effect on the
it was like a green effect right on the film itself.
But when I first saw the movie, I was just
like whoa, Like he completely blew my mind, like what
are we are we really living in a matrix and
like had me question everything is this food that I'm
really eating? And then at the time the special effects
(03:02):
were top notch, like the gun scene and all of
that stuff. And the one thing I will say, the matrix.
Each sequel got better in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
You think so, I think, no, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
I like see. I like the first two.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
The third one, although I know it completes the story,
it just always felt slightly.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Off to me.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
I feel like Neo didn't have a whole lot to
do with the third one, you know, it felt like
he just kind of stayed trapped and it was more
up to Trinity and warpheus it seemed. But like I say,
it was, it was. It was a decent round off,
like the end the story. But the first two, particularly
the first one, is the one side that I really
(03:45):
did like. The second one was cool because they introduced
like say, like the ghosts and the werewolves and you know,
just like all the other things that the other characters
just kind of like, you know, caused all the trouble,
so they just kind of kept them like in this
other place but I mean I thought that the second
one was like real really cool.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
I'll say the second one, in my mind was the
best one. It had a balance of it had a
balance of character development, it had a balance of expansion,
and it also had a balance of action.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Yeah yeah, I mean yeah, it was It was solid.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
And then.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
You know, around this time too, just to kind of
offset this was the the trilogies that the trilogies also
of the I remember like the trilogies because I would
also watch The Matrix, look forward to the Matrix trilogies
and also look forward to the trilogies of Lord of
the Rings. Right, But I will say the standout to
(04:51):
me about The Matrix was the concept of the story
because like, we've never heard anything like this before. The
technology and then the special effects, the fighting and special
effects were like top notch.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
And the fact, if you think about it.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Too in the nineties is this is when the Internet
was booming, Like it seemed like technology was advancing, and
this fit into that story of like hey, through the
Internet or through the Matrix, you can yeah a portal
and then like hey, I'm a program you to have karate,
I'm a program you to have this. But the part
(05:28):
that blew my mind was like, what if we really
are living in the Matrix and the real world.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Is crap and food tastes like crap?
Speaker 3 (05:36):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Right? You know what, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
I think I probably have to stay and oh I
think I have to stay plug into the machine if
that's gonna be the case, because I don't think that
that would be something I want to wake.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Up to, Because I will say, with the Matrix for
a week, I had to question, like, you know, like dang.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
This is the world really like that?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
And like man, cause I think the only other thing
that I could think that it's kind of similar but
not like the Matrix is like Fule aspect of Terminator
and Skynet. You know what I'm saying. The machine's taken over.
So you know that was they took it to a
deeper level, like hey, you can unplug and you can
(06:19):
plug into the matrix. But the one part that I thought,
what's kind of sucky is like, yo, if you die
in the Matrix, you die in real.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Life, right yeah, But like man, with those machines, the
thing about them, it's like, you know the fact that
somebody's still plugged into it. They could just you know,
they could pop up anywhere, you know, and even if
you're off that person, you know, it does nothing. It
just kills that person and then they could just still
move to the next body of being or whatever. So
(06:48):
it's like, I mean, here was like the head had
to constantly be on a slow yeah, but yeah, I
thought that one of the cool one of the coolest
parts to me was like, but they the whole cop of.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Thing, you know, oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, when.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
She's like, you know, she's flying into the like the screen,
and all of a sudden she is the side of
the building. It's like the camera was like right, it
was like in front of the glass, you know. I
thought that was like a really cool effect. I don't
know if you remember that, you know, yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
And then like another one was like when he got
trapped inside of that building, like when we were trying
to get out and.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
You know they had to like climb into the walls.
Yeah yeah, but yeah, that.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Was that was a wild I think one of the
twit the coolest, coolest like aspects of the Matrix is
like when Neo had to fight all of those agents
that looked the same. Oh yeah, and then when he
like flew like I was like, whoa when he fought
all those people.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
So you got to think about it.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
I mean, now we're in twenty twenty five, so I
wonder if a person that didn't see the matrix when
it came out and when they look at those special effects,
it's like men but back in the nineties, late nineties
and early two thousands, like the major has had cutting
edge technology as far as like visual effects.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Yeah, and it was all the range back there.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
I think it still holds up.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, I think it. I think it aged pretty well.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
And I wanted to throw out some facts maybe people
don't know or do know. So did anybody I think
you purely knew this that Will Smith was offered the
role of Neo, but he turned it down and he
chose the Wild Wild West movie because he thought it
(08:44):
was a better fit for him at the time. So
let's go back into the nineteen hundred and nineties. At
the time, Will Smith was a hot actor, Bad Boys Franchise,
Men in Black, like everything that Will Smith touched as
far as an actor.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Was gold Independence Day.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Yes, Yeah, he was like making the music, he was
just he was.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
He was will Smith.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Oh yeah, big Willie style, getting jiggy with it. He
was getting jiggy back around that time. However, like, in
my mind, after watching The Matrix, I'm like, dang, why
did he do that? Because I don't think The Wild
Wild West wasn't as big as his previous movies. I
don't know how well it did in the box office,
but I will say sure in the back of his mind,
(09:32):
he's probably like, damn, why'd I do that? But then
I read in an interview which makes sense, so he
said that the reason why he passed up on it
is so think about it. When he was off of
the role of The Matrix. The Matrix wasn't even out,
But think about reading the script about the Matrix and like, okay,
you take a red pill or a blue pill. You're
(09:54):
in this world, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
So I get it.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I get why he might have turned it down because
not knowing about the Matrix and then reading the script
about the Matrix was like.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
Right, yeah, you know, he has a music video out
that's right right now that looks like The Matrix.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
I think it might have released about a week or so.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
Yeah, but you know, him turning that turning that movie down.
I'm kind of glad he did because I feel like
that was more of Keanu Reeves's movie, you know, because
he was also kind of like a big thing in
the nineties.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Also. Yeah, and I don't know for.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
Some reason, maybe it's just me, but I really can't
see anybody else doing that role except him. But I
could be wrong, you know. Now, I'm not naki Will Smith.
I think he has great movies, great music, but I
don't feel like that was his movie.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
So I want to I want to go back.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
So around this time, pre Matrix, Keanu Reeves, Okay, well
Bill Intoed's excellent Adventure, we had Speed and then what
was the other movie with him? And oh man, I
think it was like Kurt Russell point blank break, yeah,
point break. So those are those are the movies that
come to my mind, all right at that time. So
(11:08):
you got Bill and says, actually that Adventure, Okay, we'll
move that aside, but speeding point break. That makes sense
because that are those movies established them as a action
type of actor. And I think you're right, Like, in
my mind, I can't picture Will Smith being neo.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Neo is Keanu reed.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
H right, he just he just brings a certain essence
to that character. I don't think that Will Smith will
pull off, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
And then just like it's just like I couldn't see
ke Reeves being in Wild Wild West.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
And then and then at the time, like Will Smith
was on the roll, you know what I mean, and
then like science fiction movies.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
And then action movie roles.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
So I wanted to bring up a another fund not
kind of sad fact and it leaves the mind wondering.
So Rest in Peace of Leah. Aliyah was due to
play and the Matrix reloaded. The Matrix reloaded this part two,
so she was gonna play the role of Z but
(12:21):
the role went to Nona gay which is Marvin Gaye's daughter. However,
she was killed during the plane the tragic plane accident,
which was in two thousand and one. But they were
at the at the time, they were already filming the
Matrix reloaded. And here's another fun fact. If you go
(12:42):
back and look at the trailer, there are some trailers
that actually show her in her role. So she did
get to film some of the role, but tragically. So
that leaves me Charon, what is your thought. I believe
that she would have been an awesome day because Aliyah
was about the mysterious clothes. Her clothes was dark and
(13:05):
she had to feel at the time the futuristic sound
with Timberland, and I think she would have done a
good role. How do you feel about Aliyah being a
part of the Matrix franchise had she lived?
Speaker 5 (13:17):
I think that she would have really pulled it off
and it would have given her that much more czazz actually,
and it's unfortunately that she that she didn't get to
be in it. I remember when that happened, you know,
and like I said, yeah, they were in the middle
of filming all of that, because that was probably about August,
was it August.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Two thousand and one?
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah, she died something.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
Like that, ye, August one, Yeah, and the movie didn't
even come out until I want to say, June of
two thousand and three. So yeah, I think that she
would have added a certain element to the movie that
you know, and she always had certain charm that she
added to the movies, like you know, the one with
Jentlee Romeo Musty, and it was another movie that she
(14:02):
was in that I can't put my finger right now.
But yeah, she she has a certain element that she
brings to the screen, and I think that she would
have done well in The Matrix.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
And then another fun fact, she was cast to be
and what was the movie You've Been Served? And also
she was cast to be Honey, and I think she
was cast I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yep, she was cast to being Smarkled as well.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
So I'm also reading that she was going to be
in both Reloaded and then Revolutions.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
So yeah, she.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Died school August twenty fifty, two thousand and one at
twenty two years old.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
That's crazy. I can't believe all that time is fast since.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Then it's like twenty four years ago.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
It just kind of puts a date on this movie too,
you know, because it came out, let's see twenty two
years ago.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yeah, wait, okay, well this she had three teen years
ago because I put that up there would Find an Nemo,
because I remember I saw Finding Nemo that summer, and
we saw The Matrix, and I also saw Pirates of
the Caribbean, Terminy of Three, the Haunted Mansion.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
We saw a bunch of movies that summer.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
Yeah, but the one that sticks out the most is
gonna always be Finding Nemo and the Matrix Revolution real
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Reloaded, Reloaded Revolutions did come out that same year.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
It came out that uh, that November, I want to say.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
So they say that her scenes that she shot for
the Matrix reloaded. Uh, they showed the parts as the
Ultimate Matrix.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Collection DVD box set.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
So if you have that DVD box set and the
bonus features, it shows the parts that she did.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
She did shoot for the movie. So I guess we
can talk about So the three.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Parts of the three movies of the series were iconic,
and then they decided to release because we always wanted
another Matrix. I did release a Matrix Part four, and
I want to say it was on Netflix. Yeah, in
twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
High hopes, High hopes, High hopes.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
What did you think about the Matrix Resurrections?
Speaker 4 (16:37):
I wanted to like it, you know, but I guess
the thing with the.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Matrix is that mode was already broken and you can't
redo what's already been done. I think that that's one
of those things that I may have to go back
and watch again. I'm not gonna totally cast it out,
but as of right now it's like and then it
also didn't have that twingy looking color that I liked
about it, you know that I thought was so weirdy first,
(17:00):
but it was I was like, I don't know, and
I think that's supposed to be making another one.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
What was your thoughts on it?
Speaker 1 (17:05):
I didn't like it.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Morpheus wasn't in it. It felt like a made for
TV type of production work. And in my mind, I
mean maybe because I was, you know, it was such
an iconic movie and it was, like I said, it
had breaking like the visual effects back in the early
(17:33):
two thousands and late nineteen nineties was clean edge. Maybe
the nostalgic factor of it but made me wanted to
like it. But after watching it, I was just like,
man the same doing it for me? How could you
take a franchise that was so great and just make
it horrible? So I was like, maybe it's just me.
(17:53):
Maybe the effects are dated. Maybe now moving forward normally
that work then doesn't work now. So I had to
go watch the first three sequels just to make sure
that maybe it's just me. But it wasn't just me.
The movie was horrible.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
Yeah, no, I think that, you know, if you look
at the way the third one in it, it wasn't
there was there wasn't really supposed to be another one.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
You know. That was just something that they just kind
of did.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
And you know when the Matrix came out for us
in ninety nine, The Matrix to us in nineteen ninety
nine is what Star Wars was to like our parents
in nineteen seventy seven, you know, it was it was
that kind of groundbreaking technology.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Yeah, you know, because.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
It really it really turned the head, you know, and
I guess like with the what's what's the new? I
can't think what the new matrix is even called. It's
like matrix.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Sometimes it resurrections, resurrection, yeah, Matrix resurrections.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
Yeah, But it didn't really didn't really grasp because, like
I say, just one of those things. Maybe I'll have
to like watch it again at a certain at another
date and it may catch me then.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
And I was hoping with the newer technology that we
have now twenty five years, you could have they could
have at least expanded, right, they could have done so
much more because I'm looking at the budget right, because
like I said, it looked like a made for TV movie.
They had a budget of one hundred and ninety million dollars.
(19:31):
I'm thinking you could have done a lot more with
that budget, and then in the box office it only
made one hundred and fifty nine million.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Yeah, it was like, like, do movies even make do
movies even make that much back?
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Now?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
You know? Oh yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
The franchises? Yeah, oh, the Marvel franchises.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Oh yeah, yeah, it might mean like like a single movie,
not like you know, a franchise.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Oh no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
So I think even Captain America is that like I
want to say, two hundred million? Okay, yeah, probably Yeah.
So you got domestic and you got international. So yeah,
they could have made that they could have made that
money back. As a matter of fact, while we're here, man,
let's uh.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Like I said, I think they're making another one.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Yeah, yeah, they can't. They can't have that legacy, be
that last Bobo stain on it. Yeah no, so then
we'll have you ever played any Matrix video games?
Speaker 5 (20:28):
I played End of the Matrix own the game he once,
I rented it, and I remember, like I got my
ass handed to me in that game, you know, trying
to fight those agents and you know, trying to shoot
at them and you can't hit them. And I know
you play it like as uh, you play as Naobi,
which is Jada Pinkett's character, and yeah, yeah, and I
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think there's another guy.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
His name is Ghost. He's a I believe he was
an Asian character.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
They would have ones in the movie that was they
were driving a Mustang, I believe, and they were the
ones that rescued moreph your head fallen off for the truck. Well,
you played that game with those two, and you know
that's part of the story.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Is that video game.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
You know, it's like kind of like aside mission of
what's going on if you can happen to complete it,
you know. And then there was another game called The
Path of Neo, which everybody said was really good, but
I hadn't played.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Yeah, so to answer your question, and then this makes
it even worse. So the budget for Captain America Brave
New World was one hundred and eighty million, and so
far at the box office it made three hundred It
made three hundred and forty four point five million.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Oh that's good.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
So the video quality and the effects on eighty million pcent.
The matrix was ten million dollars more and it was still.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Yeah, man, look that that that's a hard concept to beat,
you know, if you come up for those first three movies.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Yeah, and then the story was closed up and everything,
and it's like it ended perfect. I guess you could
say it was. It was.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
It was a shock, a bit of a surprise the
way it ended. He goes back to the source or whatever.
But that's how we got what we got now, you know,
because he went they put him back in the source. Yeah,
and I think it was I think it was more
about Trinity, the new one. I think she was more the.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
One with all the powers and stuff. I could be wrong,
but yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Because Neil, Yeah, because Neil was kind of off. He couldn't.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yeah, and it's like, man with one hundred and ninety
million dollars in the budget, make that man fly bro right.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Well, they had they had took the concept of the
new movie they made all the previous movie seemed like
he was making like a video game or something like that.
So it's like it's like it almost didn't even matter,
but it did. It was more like an eternal thing
or something like that. But they say, that's one of
those things I would have to go back and rewatch.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
And the thing is like, with that much going on,
so much to be desired, so much technology, Yeah, and
I'm like it leads much more to be desired. There's
so much more that you could have done. And then
also you're introducing the matrix to a whole new So
two thousand and three what yeah, I say it was
(23:23):
the last one and now you got twenty and twenty one.
You could have brought in a whole new audience and
the goal is to I think my goal would have been, like, okay,
introduce new people and expand r It's kind of like
with Bad Boys, like the Bad Boys franchise.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
The way they've done that is the way you do it,
like you keep it going and you introduce new people.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
The fact that they changed Neo, I mean not Neo
but Morpheus and then his whole thing with him being
the new Morpheus, it's like, all right, now, I gotta
wrap my mind around this. And it's just like Neo
doesn't really have his powers and trinity. And then just
the production quality itself, it just felt made for TV.
(24:05):
And with Shocking is one hundred and ninety million dollars,
that quality about it.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Well, I think that when they made that, I don't
know if that was really made for us, like the
people that saw it back then. I think it was
made more or less for the crowd now, yeah, because
I think they were like I think that crowd was
the ones that more.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Or less maybe liked it a little bit more. But
like I said, I'm not quite sure, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Yeah, yeah, because it's kind of like even two makes
me think about the uh, Star Wars franchise, you know,
when they went back, think about it, the Star Wars franchise.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
When they did the prequels, so you're talking about the eighties.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Yeah, but they used technology to make it even more
you know, give it even that more appill that more
like Sizzle would take it back, and they could have,
they could have easily done that, you know, left much
more to be desired.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah, but I would.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Say, sadly, I've never played any of the video games. Uh,
I have saw then, what was it Enter the Matrix.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I've seen the video game. I thought it was cool.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Yeah, it was pretty cool. And then also we didn't mention.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
The Animaterix Animatrix and that was like a computer animated.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Series, right, Yeah, it was like a series of a
few movies. The one that I remember the most was
the Final Flight of the Cyrus. It was like the
more computer CGI version of it. Yeah and yeah it was.
It was just like different little skits that was on
that DVD. Okay, and yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Was it like Attack the Clones? Was it kind of
like the Attack of the Clones for the Star Wars series?
How they had the CGI series?
Speaker 4 (26:00):
What do you mean?
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Oh so there used to be a series Attack of
the Clones for Star Wars and.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
It was oh yeah, that is serious.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but it was also there was also
the second movie I think it was called Attack of
the Clones or something like that episode.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Yeah, you're right there, yeah, you think about.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
The Clone Wars Clone Wars. There we go. Man, I'm
messing this all up.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Y'all got to excuse me, man, I was born in
nineteen hundred and nineteen hundreds, nineteen hundreds and seventies, that's.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
What it was.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, thanks for correctively, man, Thanks were corrected.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Yeah, it's okay. No, it's a lot of clones.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
So Tack of the Bones, Clone Wars, Bad Batch, they
were all clones.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Oh yeah, So let me ask you a question out
of the whole series.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
What was your favorite series? What was your favorite Matrix movie?
Speaker 4 (26:53):
The first one?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
The first one, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Yeah, the first one.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
I mean it just it just went so much harder,
you know, the soundtrack, the the special effects, you know,
it just it had more of an edge to it
versus the second and third movies, you know, because it
had I think it had more of like it had
a very East Coast kind of thing going for me,
you know, with them showing like I guess I assume
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that to be New York, you know, and you know,
the whole Like I liked that whole subway scene, like
when they were fighting and the train was passing by
and it's like all of that, and yeah, I thought
that that subway scene. And that's how that's also one
of the movies I use, like when if I'm testing
my surround sound at home, you know, I'll I'll use
the Matrix. In fact, I even bought a version that
(27:44):
has Adobe atmosphere, so it has more the sound feels
a lot, it's way more open than you know, what
you heard in the theaters.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah, so yeah, it was it was, I mean that movie.
He had to set the tone right, make us believe yep,
And I forgot.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
I forgot that one scene that that jacked me up
was the whole the little thing that was in his body,
the tracker.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yeah body man.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
I was like, yeah, went in through an when all
of a sudden he woke up like it was a
bad dream, a bad dream, but it actually wasn't.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
And then like then they made him shut up his mouth.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Yeah, same scene.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
His whole mouth is a bit so I say my
favorite one was I think the Matrix two was like
the Matrix one crack, the action scene, those weird twins,
the yeah scene while they're on top of the truck.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
Yeah, it was like the camera work, yes, yes, yes, yes,
that camera work was something else like the stop motion.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
And they had even.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
Had kind of sort of improved on in the second movie,
you know, because granted, like the camera was still moving,
it was still moving motion. I like the whole fact
that it would stop, you know, in a camera we're
paying around the room, And I thought, I just thought
that was cool.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
So, ladies and gentlemen, there we have it. That was
our take on the Matrix. Let us know what you think, man,
let us know if we've forgot any facts anything you
want to talk about. Let us know if you think
that there should be a Matrix five to make up
for that. Dodo of a mess to matrix for and torone.
Any last party words before we depart the pattern.
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Oh yeah, don't forget to take your don't forget to
take your vitamins, exercise, and you know, don't.
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Evening after where you are.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
In the world forty something gamers Podcast something Gamers best Friends,
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on with my dude?
Speaker 4 (00:40):
How's it going?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
It's going pretty good, man.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
So today we're gonna talk about the movie that came
out back.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
In the Matril hundred and nineties, and that's The Matrix.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
So this episode we're talking about the Matrix, the series
and video games and things and and fun facts that
we know about the Matrix. So what's your experience with
the Matrix franchise?
Speaker 5 (01:07):
Man, The first time I saw that movie, it was crazy.
I didn't know what I was walking into. And I
can remember like going to the movie theater and you know,
sitting there, it had that eyd twingy looking color and
I thought I was tripping.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I even looked.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
I even went into the lobby and told them if
something was wrong with the camera, you know, because of
it just looked off, you know. But other than that,
you know, the Matrix was once I found out that
it wasn't that was the way it was supposed to
have been.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
You know, the experience was crazy.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
You know, it's like very there's like a lot of
philosophical kind of traits and everything, but that action. Man, look,
it's like nothing you've ever seen about you.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
So basically when The Matrix came out, I was I
was stating that as more Cinn California. And actually one
of my friends shout out to Danny Hayes has saw
The Matrix and he tried to explain the movie to me.
So think about it, like, right now, the Matrix poplar.
(02:13):
It is a part of popular culture. But imagine somebody
explaining to you when you've never you know, heard about
The Matrix about a movie where hey, we're living in
this matrix. You know, you take this green or you
know this red or blue pill and all this other stuff.
So as he's explaining this movie to me, I'm like, man,
(02:33):
like what is he talking about?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
This is crazy? And I have to see the movie.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
And like you, they had a certain effect on the
it was like a green effect right on the film itself.
But when I first saw the movie, I was just
like whoa, Like he completely blew my mind, like what
are we are we really living in a matrix and
like had me question everything is this food that I'm
really eating? And then at the time the special effects
(03:02):
were top notch, like the gun scene and all of
that stuff. And the one thing I will say, the matrix.
Each sequel got better in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
You think so, I think, no, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
I like see. I like the first two.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
The third one, although I know it completes the story,
it just always felt slightly.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Off to me.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
I feel like Neo didn't have a whole lot to
do with the third one, you know, it felt like
he just kind of stayed trapped and it was more
up to Trinity and warpheus it seemed. But like I say,
it was, it was. It was a decent round off,
like the end the story. But the first two, particularly
the first one, is the one side that I really
(03:45):
did like. The second one was cool because they introduced
like say, like the ghosts and the werewolves and you know,
just like all the other things that the other characters
just kind of like, you know, caused all the trouble,
so they just kind of kept them like in this
other place but I mean I thought that the second
one was like real really cool.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
I'll say the second one, in my mind was the
best one. It had a balance of it had a
balance of character development, it had a balance of expansion,
and it also had a balance of action.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Yeah yeah, I mean yeah, it was It was solid.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
And then.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
You know, around this time too, just to kind of
offset this was the the trilogies that the trilogies also
of the I remember like the trilogies because I would
also watch The Matrix, look forward to the Matrix trilogies
and also look forward to the trilogies of Lord of
the Rings. Right, But I will say the standout to
(04:51):
me about The Matrix was the concept of the story
because like, we've never heard anything like this before. The
technology and then the special effects, the fighting and special
effects were like top notch.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
And the fact, if you think about it.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Too in the nineties is this is when the Internet
was booming, Like it seemed like technology was advancing, and
this fit into that story of like hey, through the
Internet or through the Matrix, you can yeah a portal
and then like hey, I'm a program you to have karate,
I'm a program you to have this. But the part
(05:28):
that blew my mind was like, what if we really
are living in the Matrix and the real world.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Is crap and food tastes like crap?
Speaker 3 (05:36):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Right? You know what, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
I think I probably have to stay and oh I
think I have to stay plug into the machine if
that's gonna be the case, because I don't think that
that would be something I want to wake.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Up to, Because I will say, with the Matrix for
a week, I had to question, like, you know, like dang.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
This is the world really like that?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
And like man, cause I think the only other thing
that I could think that it's kind of similar but
not like the Matrix is like Fule aspect of Terminator
and Skynet. You know what I'm saying. The machine's taken over.
So you know that was they took it to a
deeper level, like hey, you can unplug and you can
(06:19):
plug into the matrix. But the one part that I thought,
what's kind of sucky is like, yo, if you die
in the Matrix, you die in real.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Life, right yeah, But like man, with those machines, the
thing about them, it's like, you know the fact that
somebody's still plugged into it. They could just you know,
they could pop up anywhere, you know, and even if
you're off that person, you know, it does nothing. It
just kills that person and then they could just still
move to the next body of being or whatever. So
(06:48):
it's like, I mean, here was like the head had
to constantly be on a slow yeah, but yeah, I
thought that one of the cool one of the coolest
parts to me was like, but they the whole cop of.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Thing, you know, oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, when.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
She's like, you know, she's flying into the like the screen,
and all of a sudden she is the side of
the building. It's like the camera was like right, it
was like in front of the glass, you know. I
thought that was like a really cool effect. I don't
know if you remember that, you know, yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
And then like another one was like when he got
trapped inside of that building, like when we were trying
to get out and.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
You know they had to like climb into the walls.
Yeah yeah, but yeah, that.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Was that was a wild I think one of the
twit the coolest, coolest like aspects of the Matrix is
like when Neo had to fight all of those agents
that looked the same. Oh yeah, and then when he
like flew like I was like, whoa when he fought
all those people.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
So you got to think about it.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
I mean, now we're in twenty twenty five, so I
wonder if a person that didn't see the matrix when
it came out and when they look at those special effects,
it's like men but back in the nineties, late nineties
and early two thousands, like the major has had cutting
edge technology as far as like visual effects.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Yeah, and it was all the range back there.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
I think it still holds up.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, I think it. I think it aged pretty well.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
And I wanted to throw out some facts maybe people
don't know or do know. So did anybody I think
you purely knew this that Will Smith was offered the
role of Neo, but he turned it down and he
chose the Wild Wild West movie because he thought it
(08:44):
was a better fit for him at the time. So
let's go back into the nineteen hundred and nineties. At
the time, Will Smith was a hot actor, Bad Boys Franchise,
Men in Black, like everything that Will Smith touched as
far as an actor.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Was gold Independence Day.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Yes, Yeah, he was like making the music, he was
just he was.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
He was will Smith.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Oh yeah, big Willie style, getting jiggy with it. He
was getting jiggy back around that time. However, like, in
my mind, after watching The Matrix, I'm like, dang, why
did he do that? Because I don't think The Wild
Wild West wasn't as big as his previous movies. I
don't know how well it did in the box office,
but I will say sure in the back of his mind,
(09:32):
he's probably like, damn, why'd I do that? But then
I read in an interview which makes sense, so he
said that the reason why he passed up on it
is so think about it. When he was off of
the role of The Matrix. The Matrix wasn't even out,
But think about reading the script about the Matrix and like, okay,
you take a red pill or a blue pill. You're
(09:54):
in this world, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
So I get it.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I get why he might have turned it down because
not knowing about the Matrix and then reading the script
about the Matrix was like.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
Right, yeah, you know, he has a music video out
that's right right now that looks like The Matrix.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
I think it might have released about a week or so.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
Yeah, but you know, him turning that turning that movie down.
I'm kind of glad he did because I feel like
that was more of Keanu Reeves's movie, you know, because
he was also kind of like a big thing in
the nineties.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Also. Yeah, and I don't know for.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
Some reason, maybe it's just me, but I really can't
see anybody else doing that role except him. But I
could be wrong, you know. Now, I'm not naki Will Smith.
I think he has great movies, great music, but I
don't feel like that was his movie.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
So I want to I want to go back.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
So around this time, pre Matrix, Keanu Reeves, Okay, well
Bill Intoed's excellent Adventure, we had Speed and then what
was the other movie with him? And oh man, I
think it was like Kurt Russell point blank break, yeah,
point break. So those are those are the movies that
come to my mind, all right at that time. So
(11:08):
you got Bill and says, actually that Adventure, Okay, we'll
move that aside, but speeding point break. That makes sense
because that are those movies established them as a action
type of actor. And I think you're right, Like, in
my mind, I can't picture Will Smith being neo.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Neo is Keanu reed.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
H right, he just he just brings a certain essence
to that character. I don't think that Will Smith will
pull off, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
And then just like it's just like I couldn't see
ke Reeves being in Wild Wild West.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
And then and then at the time, like Will Smith
was on the roll, you know what I mean, and
then like science fiction movies.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
And then action movie roles.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
So I wanted to bring up a another fund not
kind of sad fact and it leaves the mind wondering.
So Rest in Peace of Leah. Aliyah was due to
play and the Matrix reloaded. The Matrix reloaded this part two,
so she was gonna play the role of Z but
(12:21):
the role went to Nona gay which is Marvin Gaye's daughter. However,
she was killed during the plane the tragic plane accident,
which was in two thousand and one. But they were
at the at the time, they were already filming the
Matrix reloaded. And here's another fun fact. If you go
(12:42):
back and look at the trailer, there are some trailers
that actually show her in her role. So she did
get to film some of the role, but tragically. So
that leaves me Charon, what is your thought. I believe
that she would have been an awesome day because Aliyah
was about the mysterious clothes. Her clothes was dark and
(13:05):
she had to feel at the time the futuristic sound
with Timberland, and I think she would have done a
good role. How do you feel about Aliyah being a
part of the Matrix franchise had she lived?
Speaker 5 (13:17):
I think that she would have really pulled it off
and it would have given her that much more czazz actually,
and it's unfortunately that she that she didn't get to
be in it. I remember when that happened, you know,
and like I said, yeah, they were in the middle
of filming all of that, because that was probably about August,
was it August.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Two thousand and one?
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah, she died something.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
Like that, ye, August one, Yeah, and the movie didn't
even come out until I want to say, June of
two thousand and three. So yeah, I think that she
would have added a certain element to the movie that
you know, and she always had certain charm that she
added to the movies, like you know, the one with
Jentlee Romeo Musty, and it was another movie that she
(14:02):
was in that I can't put my finger right now.
But yeah, she she has a certain element that she
brings to the screen, and I think that she would
have done well in The Matrix.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
And then another fun fact, she was cast to be
and what was the movie You've Been Served? And also
she was cast to be Honey, and I think she
was cast I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yep, she was cast to being Smarkled as well.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
So I'm also reading that she was going to be
in both Reloaded and then Revolutions.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
So yeah, she.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Died school August twenty fifty, two thousand and one at
twenty two years old.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
That's crazy. I can't believe all that time is fast since.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Then it's like twenty four years ago.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
It just kind of puts a date on this movie too,
you know, because it came out, let's see twenty two
years ago.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yeah, wait, okay, well this she had three teen years
ago because I put that up there would Find an Nemo,
because I remember I saw Finding Nemo that summer, and
we saw The Matrix, and I also saw Pirates of
the Caribbean, Terminy of Three, the Haunted Mansion.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
We saw a bunch of movies that summer.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
Yeah, but the one that sticks out the most is
gonna always be Finding Nemo and the Matrix Revolution real
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Reloaded, Reloaded Revolutions did come out that same year.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
It came out that uh, that November, I want to say.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
So they say that her scenes that she shot for
the Matrix reloaded. Uh, they showed the parts as the
Ultimate Matrix.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Collection DVD box set.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
So if you have that DVD box set and the
bonus features, it shows the parts that she did.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
She did shoot for the movie. So I guess we
can talk about So the three.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Parts of the three movies of the series were iconic,
and then they decided to release because we always wanted
another Matrix. I did release a Matrix Part four, and
I want to say it was on Netflix. Yeah, in
twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
High hopes, High hopes, High hopes.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
What did you think about the Matrix Resurrections?
Speaker 4 (16:37):
I wanted to like it, you know, but I guess
the thing with the.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Matrix is that mode was already broken and you can't
redo what's already been done. I think that that's one
of those things that I may have to go back
and watch again. I'm not gonna totally cast it out,
but as of right now it's like and then it
also didn't have that twingy looking color that I liked
about it, you know that I thought was so weirdy first,
(17:00):
but it was I was like, I don't know, and
I think that's supposed to be making another one.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
What was your thoughts on it?
Speaker 1 (17:05):
I didn't like it.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Morpheus wasn't in it. It felt like a made for
TV type of production work. And in my mind, I
mean maybe because I was, you know, it was such
an iconic movie and it was, like I said, it
had breaking like the visual effects back in the early
(17:33):
two thousands and late nineteen nineties was clean edge. Maybe
the nostalgic factor of it but made me wanted to
like it. But after watching it, I was just like,
man the same doing it for me? How could you
take a franchise that was so great and just make
it horrible? So I was like, maybe it's just me.
(17:53):
Maybe the effects are dated. Maybe now moving forward normally
that work then doesn't work now. So I had to
go watch the first three sequels just to make sure
that maybe it's just me. But it wasn't just me.
The movie was horrible.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
Yeah, no, I think that, you know, if you look
at the way the third one in it, it wasn't
there was there wasn't really supposed to be another one.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
You know. That was just something that they just kind
of did.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
And you know when the Matrix came out for us
in ninety nine, The Matrix to us in nineteen ninety
nine is what Star Wars was to like our parents
in nineteen seventy seven, you know, it was it was
that kind of groundbreaking technology.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Yeah, you know, because.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
It really it really turned the head, you know, and
I guess like with the what's what's the new? I
can't think what the new matrix is even called. It's
like matrix.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Sometimes it resurrections, resurrection, yeah, Matrix resurrections.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
Yeah, But it didn't really didn't really grasp because, like
I say, just one of those things. Maybe I'll have
to like watch it again at a certain at another
date and it may catch me then.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
And I was hoping with the newer technology that we
have now twenty five years, you could have they could
have at least expanded, right, they could have done so
much more because I'm looking at the budget right, because
like I said, it looked like a made for TV movie.
They had a budget of one hundred and ninety million dollars.
(19:31):
I'm thinking you could have done a lot more with
that budget, and then in the box office it only
made one hundred and fifty nine million.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Yeah, it was like, like, do movies even make do
movies even make that much back?
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Now?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
You know? Oh yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
The franchises? Yeah, oh, the Marvel franchises.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Oh yeah, yeah, it might mean like like a single movie,
not like you know, a franchise.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Oh no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
So I think even Captain America is that like I
want to say, two hundred million? Okay, yeah, probably Yeah.
So you got domestic and you got international. So yeah,
they could have made that they could have made that
money back. As a matter of fact, while we're here, man,
let's uh.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Like I said, I think they're making another one.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Yeah, yeah, they can't. They can't have that legacy, be
that last Bobo stain on it. Yeah no, so then
we'll have you ever played any Matrix video games?
Speaker 5 (20:28):
I played End of the Matrix own the game he once,
I rented it, and I remember, like I got my
ass handed to me in that game, you know, trying
to fight those agents and you know, trying to shoot
at them and you can't hit them. And I know
you play it like as uh, you play as Naobi,
which is Jada Pinkett's character, and yeah, yeah, and I
(20:50):
think there's another guy.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
His name is Ghost. He's a I believe he was
an Asian character.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
They would have ones in the movie that was they
were driving a Mustang, I believe, and they were the
ones that rescued moreph your head fallen off for the truck. Well,
you played that game with those two, and you know
that's part of the story.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Is that video game.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
You know, it's like kind of like aside mission of
what's going on if you can happen to complete it,
you know. And then there was another game called The
Path of Neo, which everybody said was really good, but
I hadn't played.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Yeah, so to answer your question, and then this makes
it even worse. So the budget for Captain America Brave
New World was one hundred and eighty million, and so
far at the box office it made three hundred It
made three hundred and forty four point five million.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Oh that's good.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
So the video quality and the effects on eighty million pcent.
The matrix was ten million dollars more and it was still.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Yeah, man, look that that that's a hard concept to beat,
you know, if you come up for those first three movies.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Yeah, and then the story was closed up and everything,
and it's like it ended perfect. I guess you could
say it was. It was.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
It was a shock, a bit of a surprise the
way it ended. He goes back to the source or whatever.
But that's how we got what we got now, you know,
because he went they put him back in the source. Yeah,
and I think it was I think it was more
about Trinity, the new one. I think she was more the.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
One with all the powers and stuff. I could be wrong,
but yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Because Neil, Yeah, because Neil was kind of off. He couldn't.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yeah, and it's like, man with one hundred and ninety
million dollars in the budget, make that man fly bro right.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Well, they had they had took the concept of the
new movie they made all the previous movie seemed like
he was making like a video game or something like that.
So it's like it's like it almost didn't even matter,
but it did. It was more like an eternal thing
or something like that. But they say, that's one of
those things I would have to go back and rewatch.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
And the thing is like, with that much going on,
so much to be desired, so much technology, Yeah, and
I'm like it leads much more to be desired. There's
so much more that you could have done. And then
also you're introducing the matrix to a whole new So
two thousand and three what yeah, I say it was
(23:23):
the last one and now you got twenty and twenty one.
You could have brought in a whole new audience and
the goal is to I think my goal would have been, like, okay,
introduce new people and expand r It's kind of like
with Bad Boys, like the Bad Boys franchise.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
The way they've done that is the way you do it,
like you keep it going and you introduce new people.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
The fact that they changed Neo, I mean not Neo
but Morpheus and then his whole thing with him being
the new Morpheus, it's like, all right, now, I gotta
wrap my mind around this. And it's just like Neo
doesn't really have his powers and trinity. And then just
the production quality itself, it just felt made for TV.
(24:05):
And with Shocking is one hundred and ninety million dollars,
that quality about it.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Well, I think that when they made that, I don't
know if that was really made for us, like the
people that saw it back then. I think it was
made more or less for the crowd now, yeah, because
I think they were like I think that crowd was
the ones that more.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Or less maybe liked it a little bit more. But
like I said, I'm not quite sure, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Yeah, yeah, because it's kind of like even two makes
me think about the uh, Star Wars franchise, you know,
when they went back, think about it, the Star Wars franchise.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
When they did the prequels, so you're talking about the eighties.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Yeah, but they used technology to make it even more
you know, give it even that more appill that more
like Sizzle would take it back, and they could have,
they could have easily done that, you know, left much
more to be desired.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah, but I would.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Say, sadly, I've never played any of the video games. Uh,
I have saw then, what was it Enter the Matrix.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I've seen the video game. I thought it was cool.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Yeah, it was pretty cool. And then also we didn't mention.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
The Animaterix Animatrix and that was like a computer animated.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Series, right, Yeah, it was like a series of a
few movies. The one that I remember the most was
the Final Flight of the Cyrus. It was like the
more computer CGI version of it. Yeah and yeah it was.
It was just like different little skits that was on
that DVD. Okay, and yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Was it like Attack the Clones? Was it kind of
like the Attack of the Clones for the Star Wars series?
How they had the CGI series?
Speaker 4 (26:00):
What do you mean?
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Oh so there used to be a series Attack of
the Clones for Star Wars and.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
It was oh yeah, that is serious.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but it was also there was also
the second movie I think it was called Attack of
the Clones or something like that episode.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Yeah, you're right there, yeah, you think about.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
The Clone Wars Clone Wars. There we go. Man, I'm
messing this all up.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Y'all got to excuse me, man, I was born in
nineteen hundred and nineteen hundreds, nineteen hundreds and seventies, that's.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
What it was.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, thanks for correctively, man, Thanks were corrected.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Yeah, it's okay. No, it's a lot of clones.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
So Tack of the Bones, Clone Wars, Bad Batch, they
were all clones.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Oh yeah, So let me ask you a question out
of the whole series.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
What was your favorite series? What was your favorite Matrix movie?
Speaker 4 (26:53):
The first one?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
The first one, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Yeah, the first one.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
I mean it just it just went so much harder,
you know, the soundtrack, the the special effects, you know,
it just it had more of an edge to it
versus the second and third movies, you know, because it
had I think it had more of like it had
a very East Coast kind of thing going for me,
you know, with them showing like I guess I assume
(27:21):
that to be New York, you know, and you know,
the whole Like I liked that whole subway scene, like
when they were fighting and the train was passing by
and it's like all of that, and yeah, I thought
that that subway scene. And that's how that's also one
of the movies I use, like when if I'm testing
my surround sound at home, you know, I'll I'll use
the Matrix. In fact, I even bought a version that
(27:44):
has Adobe atmosphere, so it has more the sound feels
a lot, it's way more open than you know, what
you heard in the theaters.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah, so yeah, it was it was, I mean that movie.
He had to set the tone right, make us believe yep,
And I forgot.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
I forgot that one scene that that jacked me up
was the whole the little thing that was in his body,
the tracker.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yeah body man.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
I was like, yeah, went in through an when all
of a sudden he woke up like it was a
bad dream, a bad dream, but it actually wasn't.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
And then like then they made him shut up his mouth.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Yeah, same scene.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
His whole mouth is a bit so I say my
favorite one was I think the Matrix two was like
the Matrix one crack, the action scene, those weird twins,
the yeah scene while they're on top of the truck.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
Yeah, it was like the camera work, yes, yes, yes, yes,
that camera work was something else like the stop motion.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
And they had even.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
Had kind of sort of improved on in the second movie,
you know, because granted, like the camera was still moving,
it was still moving motion. I like the whole fact
that it would stop, you know, in a camera we're
paying around the room, And I thought, I just thought
that was cool.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
So, ladies and gentlemen, there we have it. That was
our take on the Matrix. Let us know what you think, man,
let us know if we've forgot any facts anything you
want to talk about. Let us know if you think
that there should be a Matrix five to make up
for that. Dodo of a mess to matrix for and torone.
Any last party words before we depart the pattern.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
Oh yeah, don't forget to take your don't forget to
take your vitamins, exercise, and you know, don't.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Forget to like and subscribe.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
Check me out, don't take talks, Sharon or I'm always
constantly posting video game footage. Check us out on forty something.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Gamers yep on Facebook and also on Blue Sky. We're
both on Blue Scott markieves they may r kiv us
and then Sharon, Yes, I spell your name man s
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Speaker 1 (30:25):
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