November 10, 2025 • 25 mins
Episode Title: Michael Jackson and Video Games – The King of Pop in the Gaming World
In this episode of 40 Something Gamers, Markivus and Scharonne dive into the newly released trailer for the upcoming Michael Jackson biopic “Michael.” The duo shares their reactions and thoughts on what fans can expect from the film, then takes a nostalgic trip through the video games inspired by and connected to the King of Pop.
From Sega’s Michael Jackson’s Moonwalker to The Michael Jackson Experience, Space Channel 5 (Parts 1 & 2), Ready 2 Rumble Boxing: Round 2, and the unreleased Planet Michael, they explore how MJ’s legacy shaped gaming culture. Plus, they discuss Jackson’s rumored music contributions to Sonic the Hedgehog 3 and how his influence continues to echo in both music and gaming.
Tune in for a fun and nostalgic discussion celebrating Michael Jackson’s impact on pop culture and video games—a must-listen for gamers and music lovers alike!
Be sure to check out co-host Markivus Nious’ music on all streaming platforms. His hip-hop music is released under his stage name Furyus, and his instrumental work can be found under Markivus Nious.
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/40-something-gamers-podcast--5073028/support.
In this episode of 40 Something Gamers, Markivus and Scharonne dive into the newly released trailer for the upcoming Michael Jackson biopic “Michael.” The duo shares their reactions and thoughts on what fans can expect from the film, then takes a nostalgic trip through the video games inspired by and connected to the King of Pop.
From Sega’s Michael Jackson’s Moonwalker to The Michael Jackson Experience, Space Channel 5 (Parts 1 & 2), Ready 2 Rumble Boxing: Round 2, and the unreleased Planet Michael, they explore how MJ’s legacy shaped gaming culture. Plus, they discuss Jackson’s rumored music contributions to Sonic the Hedgehog 3 and how his influence continues to echo in both music and gaming.
Tune in for a fun and nostalgic discussion celebrating Michael Jackson’s impact on pop culture and video games—a must-listen for gamers and music lovers alike!
Be sure to check out co-host Markivus Nious’ music on all streaming platforms. His hip-hop music is released under his stage name Furyus, and his instrumental work can be found under Markivus Nious.
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/40-something-gamers-podcast--5073028/support.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Good morning, good evening, good afternoon, wherever you are in
the world. Forty something gamers. Me and my men Sharon
Hearington's best friends since the early nineties back in high school,
and we talked about, you know, life in our age
group and then also one of our favorite subjects, video games.
(00:34):
So you're Ron, Man, how you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Man?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
How your week been?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I'm all right, what's good? Your dogs?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
My dogs over here, bar Man. Yeah, y'all hear them
in the background. They're excited. My lady ladies back from
the weekend. So they're excited. But I want to say, Man,
we finally the wait, well we still wait until April,
but we finally got a sneak peek of the trailer
(01:01):
for the Michael Biotic has finally arise.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Man.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I watched it and I liked it. I liked what
I saw. Man, What were your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I'm down for it, you know, and I think that
when this one comes out, I'm probably gonna go watch it, amass,
because I want the loudest, the loudest sound and the
biggest picture. Oh yeah, I'm really excited about it, you know.
I think it's gonna be I think it's gonna.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Lot, Like Michael Jackson said, Man, you gotta feel it,
you gotta feel the music. But uh, what what did
you think about the trailer? Man?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I thought the trailer was really cool. You know, it
was very informative. I like it was really tolseful. I
was like, like, I really liked the closing it. You know,
it looks very uh that's a very artistic look to it,
you know, very distinctive, and it's you know, I was saying,
it almost looks like kind of magical, like just seeing it. Yeah,
(01:56):
it's just the nostalgic behind it, you know, seeing like
the thriller video, just like the little clips that we
got of it and everything. I was like, yo, I'm here.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
For me yo. And the crazy thing, man, is like
the recreation of like you said, they had the recreation
of Off the Wall Motown twenty five thriller. Yeah. Man,
they did a pretty good job. And one thing that
I want to bring to people's attention, man, because there's
a lot of criticisms on oh, he don't look like
(02:25):
Michael like Jermaine, that's Michael jack That's that's Jermaine's son.
And on top of that, Michael Jackson like beyond the
plastic surgery, Like, Michael Jackson was a very unique in
his look and there's not going to be anybody that
looks like really that. I mean, there are some impersonators,
(02:46):
but you can't go wrong with having his nephew man
like the moves and all that stuff. So I mean,
I mean that's that's like, that's just aesthetics man, Like,
let's get over it.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, to think, you know, had there not be any
any plastic surgery, that he would still look like that,
you know, very close. I mean you can tell, like
the Jackson has a very distinctive look, Like if you
look at any being LaToya, Janet Reedy, Marvel, Jermainey all
has a very distinct look and you can tell it
to Jackson. So I think that with them, you know,
(03:20):
they were trying to say things about his nose and everything.
It's like, well, god, you know this, I mean, this
is this is how it looks, you know, even back
then when they were doing that, and I mean, I
think it was fine. You know, I think the people
are too harsh and are too quick to want to
criticize and judge. Sometimes you gotta enjoy things for what
it is or they are.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, So it's like yeah, lawyer expectations.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah yeah, but I think it's gonna be a good
a good movie.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Man.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
And the funny thing is Man, as long as it's
not I mean the one place that I would say
was like, Yo, what are they doing? It's uh the
flex Alexander Michael Jackson. As long as it's not that
(04:08):
like that rightfully so deserves criticism.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yes, let's want to really been looking for for a
picture because like, you reflect me better than that.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Yeah, but I will say, man, I am, I am
definitely looking forward to that movie. So on top of that, Man,
So that is like the precursor to what we're gonna
talk about. Man, we're gonna talk about, Uh, the king
of pop and video games. Many like Michael was very
involved in games. He played video games. He had a
(04:44):
video game made big of his movie he had and
also he was involved in video back what we're going
to talk about. He was also involved in an iconic
video game, iconic mascot. He had his own video a
couple of video games. But uh, we'll get started with that, man,
what game do you want to start? Start us off with?
Man with Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Well, I know that we've talked about Moonwalk in the past,
so hey, let's talk. Let's talk about the Michael Jackson
experience that came out on the WE, the three and
I want to see also the Xbox sixty.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Yep, so we playstationt PSP and Xbox three sixty and
then you know what, they also had it on the
Apple iPad. Okay, yeah, and this Bad Boy came out
shortly after Michael Jackson's death. So these is one one
of the first Postsmith postumus. I'm sorry projects of Michael Jackson.
(05:42):
I'll say it was. It was a huge movement Man
made by Ubisoft. My only gripe is by experience. I
played the WEI version, but I played the iPad version,
which you would move the iPad you do hand gestures
to get Michael to move, and they actually had a
video game figure of Michael Jackson. They had like Thriller,
(06:04):
Smooth Criminal, they had bad I really liked that. I
like the iPad the WE. I didn't really play Man
because I ain't gonna lie Man. The way the characters
dressed and I couldn't get past it.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
You didn't play the v version, no.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Man, because the way the characters were dressed just like
it looked kind of silly to be bad.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Now, the WE version was the to me, was the
more defensive version. And you know you gotta go back
and play the reversion. See I have the WE version,
I have the Xbox sixty version that you played with
the committ and I also have the I wouldn't say
I have a three D version, but I thought that
the W version was pretty cool. And you know, it
(06:50):
had like a kind of like a ghostly kind of
hut to the screen, like it had like a brightness
or like a boor or something about it, which I
that was pretty cool. And you know you could play
either as a Michael or the background dancers or however
you would do it. And you know, you moved the
that we would mold around like with the injustice and
(07:11):
hand gestures and sorry, and you know with the going
into the Xbox version, you played with the connect and
it's like if you on the stage, it was a
little more difficult to play because if you weren't pending
and just write, the camera would cut you out. So
it it was.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
It was.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
It was a solid also pretty solid gameplay. But I
think that Deui was the most definitive version of that,
believe or not. And of course with the x I'm sorry,
the three DS version, you would play that with a
little tin pad thing, so you know, you was swiping
a certain like you would swipe the pen like a
certain way on the screen and he would do the
(07:49):
dance moved.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Yeah, So that was that was like the iPad version
because they had a video okay, a video game character
of Michael Jackson that you could make move.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Also I want to say that also
I haven't played it in years, but the one on
the Xbox three sixty I believe that the stages were different,
and I haven't played in a long time, but my
connect is not even look up to my game anymore.
It was it was pretty solid, but I always preferred
(08:18):
the WEI version.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
I guess I think like with the Wei it's kind
of well, you know, it's more family base. It was
kind of in my mind it was kind of cartoonish.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Son. I don't know, I never saw this cartoonish though,
but I mean, I don't know. I guess you'd have
to try it. But you know, I'm I'm hoping that
maybe U beiself listens to this and maybe with the
movie upcoming, maybe they'll port the game to the Nintendo
Switch too, you know, because the capabilities that have gotten
(08:48):
much better, like with the hand just and everything, you know.
So I don't think it is, you know, and according
to the switch too, because I would definitely buy it again.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, and I think, Man, I'm pretty confident that with
this movie, there's gonna be a resurgence of a movie.
It's gonna be a Michael Jackson revival because people that
weren't there during Michael Mania, it's gonna be like yo,
like reinvested interest in Michael and his catalog and I
could see more video games. But yeah, the Michael Jackson
(09:21):
experience was a huge, huge deal. And then let's circle
back to uh, let's circle back to Moonwalker. Man. Yeah,
so Sega and I ain't gonna lie man, you guys
are gonna use Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Man.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
That was that was the decision maker for me between
Super Nintendo or Sega Genesis. I had to get Moonwalker.
So they had two different versions they had they had
the Genesis Home console version and they had the Arcade yep,
so I guess the platform for Moonwalk on the Genesis
(09:58):
is similar to like no side scrolling, but you had
Michael Jackson's music obleap Michael Jackson's Thriller for the thriller
stage at another part of.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Me, why did they do that?
Speaker 1 (10:12):
That is a good question. But there are some Sega
Genesis versions that do have the Thriller song on there.
And if anybody knows and it is listening, please man,
hit us up. Let us know you always wanted that, man.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Because like you got a whole graveyard scene, and another
part of me is playing, not that I was a
problem with it, but it's like almost like a missed opportunity,
like why wouldn't you got thriller?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yeah? Yeah, And then it's also based off of the
movie that Michael Jackson came out with called Moonwalker. If
you haven't seen that movie, I definitely recommend you check
it out. Me personally, I had the Genesis version, but
I always liked the the Arcade version, and thank god
for Emula, we can we can play both. But I mean,
(10:56):
it was good, it was it was a good video game.
It didn't age well. The only reason why I say that,
it's because it involves him rescuing kids, and we know
about the controversy with Michael Jackson that you know that
that you know, even though he was acquitted of but
it dogged him for his whole life. What was your thoughts? What?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Oh, Yeah, that was a good That was a great game.
The Monwalker. Sega's in this game, which I actually still
do have, you know, and it was it was a
great game. And the r KDE version was also. Once
again I'm glad that we have emulation because I actually
got to play and finish it. And yeah, I guess
(11:38):
the whole the child rescue and things. I don't know.
I guess I never thought about how it aged, you know.
I thought I always thought it was pretty pretty decent.
But there was also although I've never played this, there
is a Sega Mass Assistant version of the same game.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
There is, yeah, and I have it. I have it
on the for my emulator. It's pretty good, and it's
a pretty good version. Man, it's a pretty good for
the Sega master System. There are some cutbacks, but it
is one one. The only thing that I didn't like
is that was annoying was the eight bit sound versus
(12:13):
the sixteen bit sound. And when Michael Johnson it was
all about the music. So the music comes off the
little you know, that little eight bit chippy, high pitched
EGA sound, and uh yeah, I found out to be annoying,
but it's a it's a good game, man.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Yeah, well I don't have to Hopefully maybe Saga will
release it onto the you know, on the Nintendo app
or something that we can all play it.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
But yeah, I thought it was a pretty solid game.
And I believe that he was the first pop on
celebrity to actually even have a video game.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Oh yeah, and I know what now you think about man,
I wish they would have done like, could you imagine
a Sega CD version. I think they were working on
a version or a sequel I read, but then the
molestation charges happened, and you know, they never followed through.
But I think there was gonna be a Sega CD version.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I think. Also, speaking of which, we were talking about
video game mascots and Signic three Heag. Michael Jackson was
a big fan of signing Hedgehag and I believe the
soundtrack and he was working on the Sognic three soundtrack
as well. And you can add, honestly you hear the
(13:33):
influence Yep, Michael Jackson influencing with a lot of that.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yep, so it says here Signing three was inspired. Signing
three includes features inspired by Michael Jackson, who was involved
with the game's development. So there's a carnival like stage
or a Vegas like stage. If you listen to that
and you listen to jam, very similar if you listen
(13:57):
to the frozen stage where he's snowboarding, it's sounds like
who is it?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
So now I also want to say that I believe
and I don't know how you just is. But they
re released that game in the package maybe a year
so ago, and I heard that they took they changed
the music.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Oh yeah, the music. The music's been changed, man. Actually, yeah,
back in two thousand and five when they redid when
they redid, uh, they re released it. That's one thing
I noticed. The music wasn't the same. And then again,
the reason behind that was because of the allegations, I
guess the second allegations, which sucks, like all right, like okay,
(14:41):
we hey, what he's accused of doesn't take away what
he you know, his involvement and what he brought to
a video game. I thought that was freaking stupid. But yeah,
and actually I do have the original Sonic Hedgehog three
cartridge that I bought back in like ninety three. But yeah,
remember on one of the I think it's on one
(15:03):
of the stages. I think it's the carnival stage. It
goes like the back with jam.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah, I have to go back and reclad see I have,
I have the remake. I'm sorry, the re released version
on that I brought for the Nintendo Switch for they
had like all the games in it. But I also,
if you go back to about the year two thousand
and one, Nintendo GameCube had also released where it was
like the Sonic Maya Collections. So I don't know if
they changed the music on there not, because I know
(15:33):
it's some popular opinion of signing. The H three was
never one of my favorite signing of the edge all games.
Some reason, it just struck me wrong because like it felt,
uh it felt all from Sonic Win two. But you know,
I would go back and replay. I mean it's not
a bad game at all. It's just my opinion. You know.
It's kind of like a lot of people didn't like
Mario two, but they love Mario three. Yeah, I love Mario.
(15:53):
I love Mario two. If it was the first one
I played, next to the next to the original game.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Yeah yeah right man, Sonics they had him. Yeah, it
was a little Yeah, I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
It's awkward to me.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
It was a game, yeah, were good, but it was awkward.
Yeah so that yeah, No, I was man. Yeah, there's
something the aspect about it now that you think about. Yeah,
the graphics were cool, but it was kind of I
don't want to use cartoonish again, but it was like bubbly,
more circular. So next we'll talk about Ready to Rumble
(16:31):
round two. Now, this is my favorite besides Moonwalker. This
is my one of my favorite Michael Jackson features because
it has his voice and it has Michael's deep voice.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
You know what I mean. So but yeah, you.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Could fight as you could beat up Michael Jackson and
you could fight as Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
And yeah, I love that he.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Had he had one what one of his gloves was
like glittery.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah, well to keep you wearing the hat and the
black suit. It's like I want to moon walk all
over you.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, he's like they called me the King of Pop.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah yeah, man, but I'll tell you what I remember.
I first got that game Christmas two thousand and one.
It was right before About My House, before About the House,
and we got that as a presence for the favorite
Dreamcast and then talk about the most whenever Michael Jackson,
I un locked him like almost immediately.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Yeah, and I think that was one part where you like,
if you knock him out, he kind of does the
smooth criminal lane. I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah, you could so like you like you would. You
could power your character like if you pushed like two
simul teams buttons. It was like a taunt and you
try to get like the rumble you know, it's like
when she full like once she got the four rumble meter,
you could like push like another two buttons or something
like that and it would be like an immediate knockout.
But yeah, some of the moves would be like that
(17:57):
circular kind of moonwalk that he would do and he
walk in the ring and everything where Yeah, Michael, Michael
was straight beast in that game.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Oh no, he could fight and then he had.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
In his shack.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Remember they were play auble characters student and I used
to go bet for Hillary Clinton, but that Michael Jackson character, Yeah,
and he.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Had that iconic like military dangerous outfit or for like outfit.
And then so the next one we'll talk about is
a game that I actually have, uh for the dream
like the Wee Dreamcast games. And I'm really trying to
understand that I never like given when it came out,
I didn't understand it was Michael has a cameo in
(18:41):
Space Channel five and Space Channel five Part two and
his music has been so he's in the game as well,
and I just I tried to play it. Man, It's like,
have you played Space Channel five?
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:55):
I just don't. Yeah, it doesn't click with me unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Basically Space Channel five it's almost like a let's say,
I want to say three Curses of maybe like a
Dance Dance Revolution type of things. Whereas he's like, you know,
you had to on Dance Dance Revolution, you had to
jump on like the like the Nintendo powerpad or whatever
PlayStation or arcade. You had to like correspond and get
(19:21):
to arrows at the same time at a certain time. Well,
Space Channel five was the same thing, except you did
it with the controller, so you had to correspond with
the arrows on the screen with Yulala that was the
girl's name. And I know at one point Michael Jackson
would come in and she would like have to free
him from the Little Aliens or whatever, and once she did,
(19:42):
he became part of your team. And then he was
like he was like like Dancer would have been everything,
and they had to like read the Little Aliens. And
also in the second game, he has kind of like
a little soundtrack that's in it that actually you can
look it up on YouTube. Then it's actually pretty cool.
You know. It sounds like he was trying to make
(20:03):
a song, but he had no lyrics for so he
just kind of gave them a beat.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Got you, got you. Yeah, he kind of looks like
screamed Michael Jackson with that like silver suit.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah. That was yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah, And then they had another game it was called
I never played. It was like called Planet Michael. I've
seen it on the iPad. It was like a social
game set in the world of Michael Jackson, but I
never I never really played.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
It was that the one where he's like, I don't know,
like out of space, so you like trying to fly
a plane or something like that. Yeah, there was something
where it was sometimes I don't know, I have actually
three game except on YouTube. Yeah, like he was flying
(20:55):
like like some kind of space flight or something like that.
You know, I've never liked. I said, I've never seen it.
Y'all help us out. You know what it is. I've
seen it, but I can't remember what the name over
the is.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
And then I guess, like we said, south Park fractured,
butthole mentioned and includes Michael Jackson as a character. I
never played that one, but it's funny. That sounds funny
as hell.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah, I have a friend that's played it, and I've
watched him play it, but I didn't like. I didn't
watch it that longer, and I didn't realize that they
mentioned Michael Jackson in it.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah, so that that that's funny.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
But I said Michael, like Michael was he he was
a game that he loved the game. And somewhere I
also saw that when he was on the History Tour,
there was a PlayStation that he had that he signed,
and I want to say he gave it away to somebody.
Maybe they sold us, I don't know, but he he
(21:58):
actually had a PlayStation. Hell he had.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Oh yeah, yeah yeah. And then you know, I mean
you see pictures of him playing video games, like the
one time he was playing Sega and then I guess
they have a picture of him playing the Xbox. So
he was very involved and he was involved in Moonwalker,
saw Me hell man. He was one of the celebrity endorsements,
like when Genesis came out, was it Tommy La Sorda,
(22:22):
Joe Montana, h James, Buster Douglas and then Michael Jackson
with the first set of the first generation games. Yea,
yeah man, And like music is a big part of
video games, so I mean he ushered it. And other
than being the athlete, he was one of the first
(22:44):
that wasn't an athlete that was actually in the you know,
had a video game dedicated to him himself. But uh yeah,
so that's another ohead in any last.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Words, Yeah, he would have made a game.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Oh that would have been cool man.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah, definitely. But you know, I'm quite sure I wonder
if Michael Jackson had I wish that's a dumb question.
I'm sure he did have a neo g O.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, sure, we had Arcade.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yeah he had that. Yeah. I knew that there was
a picture of him like with a I want to
say it's like one of those Nintendo sixty four. He
asked like he would see kmart back in the day.
We had like a little bubble over it, so you
couldn't get the you couldn't take the game out. Michael
Jackson had that at his house, Like, now, why would
you take that one versus the actual sixty four? But
I'm quite sure he had a sixty four. But I
(23:35):
think that's pretty impressive that at Netherland he had an
entire arcade. Yeah, I think yeah, because that was that
was cool. I totally would have hung out there and yeah,
dropped some quarters.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah, well man, that's that's that's again here on forty
something gamers, let us know what you think. Man, if
you guys have any want to share any Michael Jackson
video game experiences or you know, give us feedback, we
definitely like it. And Sharona, any any partying questions or
updates on what you're doing that you want the listeners
(24:10):
to know.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Well, right now, I'm just kind of hanging out. I
am brainstorming up to you on some new artwork. I'm
well overdue, I know, but just hang in there. And
I also wanted to give a special shout out to
one of my retired friends in his cones. Thank you
for the Michael Jackson. Oh the little pop. She got
(24:33):
me a thriller Michael Jackson. It's his second little shoots
like pop rocks what it's called funko pop. And she
also got me a Michael Jackson like a talls and
the coffee cup with like all kind of Michael Jackson
memorabilia like just on it. And it's like, yeah, I
(24:53):
appreciate that. I didn't I didn't get the post off
her Facebook yet, but I appreciate that. And yeah, that's
that's it.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Sorry, ladies and gentlemen, again, thank you for listening. I
want to just say, hey, do you guys like music.
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latin all of that. Check it out, follow like and
let me know what you think. One of my goals
is to have my music license for a video game.
But ladies and gentlemen, that's me and Sharon signing. Off
for another episode of forty something gamers hope you enjoy
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but
Good morning, good evening, good afternoon, wherever you are in
the world. Forty something gamers. Me and my men Sharon
Hearington's best friends since the early nineties back in high school,
and we talked about, you know, life in our age
group and then also one of our favorite subjects, video games.
(00:34):
So you're Ron, Man, how you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Man?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
How your week been?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I'm all right, what's good? Your dogs?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
My dogs over here, bar Man. Yeah, y'all hear them
in the background. They're excited. My lady ladies back from
the weekend. So they're excited. But I want to say, Man,
we finally the wait, well we still wait until April,
but we finally got a sneak peek of the trailer
(01:01):
for the Michael Biotic has finally arise.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Man.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I watched it and I liked it. I liked what
I saw. Man, What were your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I'm down for it, you know, and I think that
when this one comes out, I'm probably gonna go watch it, amass,
because I want the loudest, the loudest sound and the
biggest picture. Oh yeah, I'm really excited about it, you know.
I think it's gonna be I think it's gonna.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Lot, Like Michael Jackson said, Man, you gotta feel it,
you gotta feel the music. But uh, what what did
you think about the trailer? Man?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I thought the trailer was really cool. You know, it
was very informative. I like it was really tolseful. I
was like, like, I really liked the closing it. You know,
it looks very uh that's a very artistic look to it,
you know, very distinctive, and it's you know, I was saying,
it almost looks like kind of magical, like just seeing it. Yeah,
(01:56):
it's just the nostalgic behind it, you know, seeing like
the thriller video, just like the little clips that we
got of it and everything. I was like, yo, I'm here.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
For me yo. And the crazy thing, man, is like
the recreation of like you said, they had the recreation
of Off the Wall Motown twenty five thriller. Yeah. Man,
they did a pretty good job. And one thing that
I want to bring to people's attention, man, because there's
a lot of criticisms on oh, he don't look like
(02:25):
Michael like Jermaine, that's Michael jack That's that's Jermaine's son.
And on top of that, Michael Jackson like beyond the
plastic surgery, Like, Michael Jackson was a very unique in
his look and there's not going to be anybody that
looks like really that. I mean, there are some impersonators,
(02:46):
but you can't go wrong with having his nephew man
like the moves and all that stuff. So I mean,
I mean that's that's like, that's just aesthetics man, Like,
let's get over it.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, to think, you know, had there not be any
any plastic surgery, that he would still look like that,
you know, very close. I mean you can tell, like
the Jackson has a very distinctive look, Like if you
look at any being LaToya, Janet Reedy, Marvel, Jermainey all
has a very distinct look and you can tell it
to Jackson. So I think that with them, you know,
(03:20):
they were trying to say things about his nose and everything.
It's like, well, god, you know this, I mean, this
is this is how it looks, you know, even back
then when they were doing that, and I mean, I
think it was fine. You know, I think the people
are too harsh and are too quick to want to
criticize and judge. Sometimes you gotta enjoy things for what
it is or they are.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, So it's like yeah, lawyer expectations.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah yeah, but I think it's gonna be a good
a good movie.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Man.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
And the funny thing is Man, as long as it's
not I mean the one place that I would say
was like, Yo, what are they doing? It's uh the
flex Alexander Michael Jackson. As long as it's not that
(04:08):
like that rightfully so deserves criticism.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yes, let's want to really been looking for for a
picture because like, you reflect me better than that.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Yeah, but I will say, man, I am, I am
definitely looking forward to that movie. So on top of that, Man,
So that is like the precursor to what we're gonna
talk about. Man, we're gonna talk about, Uh, the king
of pop and video games. Many like Michael was very
involved in games. He played video games. He had a
(04:44):
video game made big of his movie he had and
also he was involved in video back what we're going
to talk about. He was also involved in an iconic
video game, iconic mascot. He had his own video a
couple of video games. But uh, we'll get started with that, man,
what game do you want to start? Start us off with?
Man with Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Well, I know that we've talked about Moonwalk in the past,
so hey, let's talk. Let's talk about the Michael Jackson
experience that came out on the WE, the three and
I want to see also the Xbox sixty.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Yep, so we playstationt PSP and Xbox three sixty and
then you know what, they also had it on the
Apple iPad. Okay, yeah, and this Bad Boy came out
shortly after Michael Jackson's death. So these is one one
of the first Postsmith postumus. I'm sorry projects of Michael Jackson.
(05:42):
I'll say it was. It was a huge movement Man
made by Ubisoft. My only gripe is by experience. I
played the WEI version, but I played the iPad version,
which you would move the iPad you do hand gestures
to get Michael to move, and they actually had a
video game figure of Michael Jackson. They had like Thriller,
(06:04):
Smooth Criminal, they had bad I really liked that. I
like the iPad the WE. I didn't really play Man
because I ain't gonna lie Man. The way the characters
dressed and I couldn't get past it.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
You didn't play the v version, no.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Man, because the way the characters were dressed just like
it looked kind of silly to be bad.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Now, the WE version was the to me, was the
more defensive version. And you know you gotta go back
and play the reversion. See I have the WE version,
I have the Xbox sixty version that you played with
the committ and I also have the I wouldn't say
I have a three D version, but I thought that
the W version was pretty cool. And you know, it
(06:50):
had like a kind of like a ghostly kind of
hut to the screen, like it had like a brightness
or like a boor or something about it, which I
that was pretty cool. And you know you could play
either as a Michael or the background dancers or however
you would do it. And you know, you moved the
that we would mold around like with the injustice and
(07:11):
hand gestures and sorry, and you know with the going
into the Xbox version, you played with the connect and
it's like if you on the stage, it was a
little more difficult to play because if you weren't pending
and just write, the camera would cut you out. So
it it was.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
It was.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
It was a solid also pretty solid gameplay. But I
think that Deui was the most definitive version of that,
believe or not. And of course with the x I'm sorry,
the three DS version, you would play that with a
little tin pad thing, so you know, you was swiping
a certain like you would swipe the pen like a
certain way on the screen and he would do the
(07:49):
dance moved.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Yeah, So that was that was like the iPad version
because they had a video okay, a video game character
of Michael Jackson that you could make move.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Also I want to say that also
I haven't played it in years, but the one on
the Xbox three sixty I believe that the stages were different,
and I haven't played in a long time, but my
connect is not even look up to my game anymore.
It was it was pretty solid, but I always preferred
(08:18):
the WEI version.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
I guess I think like with the Wei it's kind
of well, you know, it's more family base. It was
kind of in my mind it was kind of cartoonish.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Son. I don't know, I never saw this cartoonish though,
but I mean, I don't know. I guess you'd have
to try it. But you know, I'm I'm hoping that
maybe U beiself listens to this and maybe with the
movie upcoming, maybe they'll port the game to the Nintendo
Switch too, you know, because the capabilities that have gotten
(08:48):
much better, like with the hand just and everything, you know.
So I don't think it is, you know, and according
to the switch too, because I would definitely buy it again.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, and I think, Man, I'm pretty confident that with
this movie, there's gonna be a resurgence of a movie.
It's gonna be a Michael Jackson revival because people that
weren't there during Michael Mania, it's gonna be like yo,
like reinvested interest in Michael and his catalog and I
could see more video games. But yeah, the Michael Jackson
(09:21):
experience was a huge, huge deal. And then let's circle
back to uh, let's circle back to Moonwalker. Man. Yeah,
so Sega and I ain't gonna lie man, you guys
are gonna use Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Man.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
That was that was the decision maker for me between
Super Nintendo or Sega Genesis. I had to get Moonwalker.
So they had two different versions they had they had
the Genesis Home console version and they had the Arcade yep,
so I guess the platform for Moonwalk on the Genesis
(09:58):
is similar to like no side scrolling, but you had
Michael Jackson's music obleap Michael Jackson's Thriller for the thriller
stage at another part of.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Me, why did they do that?
Speaker 1 (10:12):
That is a good question. But there are some Sega
Genesis versions that do have the Thriller song on there.
And if anybody knows and it is listening, please man,
hit us up. Let us know you always wanted that, man.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Because like you got a whole graveyard scene, and another
part of me is playing, not that I was a
problem with it, but it's like almost like a missed opportunity,
like why wouldn't you got thriller?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yeah? Yeah, And then it's also based off of the
movie that Michael Jackson came out with called Moonwalker. If
you haven't seen that movie, I definitely recommend you check
it out. Me personally, I had the Genesis version, but
I always liked the the Arcade version, and thank god
for Emula, we can we can play both. But I mean,
(10:56):
it was good, it was it was a good video game.
It didn't age well. The only reason why I say that,
it's because it involves him rescuing kids, and we know
about the controversy with Michael Jackson that you know that
that you know, even though he was acquitted of but
it dogged him for his whole life. What was your thoughts? What?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Oh, Yeah, that was a good That was a great game.
The Monwalker. Sega's in this game, which I actually still
do have, you know, and it was it was a
great game. And the r KDE version was also. Once
again I'm glad that we have emulation because I actually
got to play and finish it. And yeah, I guess
(11:38):
the whole the child rescue and things. I don't know.
I guess I never thought about how it aged, you know.
I thought I always thought it was pretty pretty decent.
But there was also although I've never played this, there
is a Sega Mass Assistant version of the same game.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
There is, yeah, and I have it. I have it
on the for my emulator. It's pretty good, and it's
a pretty good version. Man, it's a pretty good for
the Sega master System. There are some cutbacks, but it
is one one. The only thing that I didn't like
is that was annoying was the eight bit sound versus
(12:13):
the sixteen bit sound. And when Michael Johnson it was
all about the music. So the music comes off the
little you know, that little eight bit chippy, high pitched
EGA sound, and uh yeah, I found out to be annoying,
but it's a it's a good game, man.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Yeah, well I don't have to Hopefully maybe Saga will
release it onto the you know, on the Nintendo app
or something that we can all play it.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
But yeah, I thought it was a pretty solid game.
And I believe that he was the first pop on
celebrity to actually even have a video game.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Oh yeah, and I know what now you think about man,
I wish they would have done like, could you imagine
a Sega CD version. I think they were working on
a version or a sequel I read, but then the
molestation charges happened, and you know, they never followed through.
But I think there was gonna be a Sega CD version.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I think. Also, speaking of which, we were talking about
video game mascots and Signic three Heag. Michael Jackson was
a big fan of signing Hedgehag and I believe the
soundtrack and he was working on the Sognic three soundtrack
as well. And you can add, honestly you hear the
(13:33):
influence Yep, Michael Jackson influencing with a lot of that.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yep, so it says here Signing three was inspired. Signing
three includes features inspired by Michael Jackson, who was involved
with the game's development. So there's a carnival like stage
or a Vegas like stage. If you listen to that
and you listen to jam, very similar if you listen
(13:57):
to the frozen stage where he's snowboarding, it's sounds like
who is it?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
So now I also want to say that I believe
and I don't know how you just is. But they
re released that game in the package maybe a year
so ago, and I heard that they took they changed
the music.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Oh yeah, the music. The music's been changed, man. Actually, yeah,
back in two thousand and five when they redid when
they redid, uh, they re released it. That's one thing
I noticed. The music wasn't the same. And then again,
the reason behind that was because of the allegations, I
guess the second allegations, which sucks, like all right, like okay,
(14:41):
we hey, what he's accused of doesn't take away what
he you know, his involvement and what he brought to
a video game. I thought that was freaking stupid. But yeah,
and actually I do have the original Sonic Hedgehog three
cartridge that I bought back in like ninety three. But yeah,
remember on one of the I think it's on one
(15:03):
of the stages. I think it's the carnival stage. It
goes like the back with jam.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah, I have to go back and reclad see I have,
I have the remake. I'm sorry, the re released version
on that I brought for the Nintendo Switch for they
had like all the games in it. But I also,
if you go back to about the year two thousand
and one, Nintendo GameCube had also released where it was
like the Sonic Maya Collections. So I don't know if
they changed the music on there not, because I know
(15:33):
it's some popular opinion of signing. The H three was
never one of my favorite signing of the edge all games.
Some reason, it just struck me wrong because like it felt,
uh it felt all from Sonic Win two. But you know,
I would go back and replay. I mean it's not
a bad game at all. It's just my opinion. You know.
It's kind of like a lot of people didn't like
Mario two, but they love Mario three. Yeah, I love Mario.
(15:53):
I love Mario two. If it was the first one
I played, next to the next to the original game.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Yeah yeah right man, Sonics they had him. Yeah, it
was a little Yeah, I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
It's awkward to me.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
It was a game, yeah, were good, but it was awkward.
Yeah so that yeah, No, I was man. Yeah, there's
something the aspect about it now that you think about. Yeah,
the graphics were cool, but it was kind of I
don't want to use cartoonish again, but it was like bubbly,
more circular. So next we'll talk about Ready to Rumble
(16:31):
round two. Now, this is my favorite besides Moonwalker. This
is my one of my favorite Michael Jackson features because
it has his voice and it has Michael's deep voice.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
You know what I mean. So but yeah, you.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Could fight as you could beat up Michael Jackson and
you could fight as Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
And yeah, I love that he.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Had he had one what one of his gloves was
like glittery.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah, well to keep you wearing the hat and the
black suit. It's like I want to moon walk all
over you.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, he's like they called me the King of Pop.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah yeah, man, but I'll tell you what I remember.
I first got that game Christmas two thousand and one.
It was right before About My House, before About the House,
and we got that as a presence for the favorite
Dreamcast and then talk about the most whenever Michael Jackson,
I un locked him like almost immediately.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Yeah, and I think that was one part where you like,
if you knock him out, he kind of does the
smooth criminal lane. I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah, you could so like you like you would. You
could power your character like if you pushed like two
simul teams buttons. It was like a taunt and you
try to get like the rumble you know, it's like
when she full like once she got the four rumble meter,
you could like push like another two buttons or something
like that and it would be like an immediate knockout.
But yeah, some of the moves would be like that
(17:57):
circular kind of moonwalk that he would do and he
walk in the ring and everything where Yeah, Michael, Michael
was straight beast in that game.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Oh no, he could fight and then he had.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
In his shack.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Remember they were play auble characters student and I used
to go bet for Hillary Clinton, but that Michael Jackson character, Yeah,
and he.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Had that iconic like military dangerous outfit or for like outfit.
And then so the next one we'll talk about is
a game that I actually have, uh for the dream
like the Wee Dreamcast games. And I'm really trying to
understand that I never like given when it came out,
I didn't understand it was Michael has a cameo in
(18:41):
Space Channel five and Space Channel five Part two and
his music has been so he's in the game as well,
and I just I tried to play it. Man, It's like,
have you played Space Channel five?
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:55):
I just don't. Yeah, it doesn't click with me unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Basically Space Channel five it's almost like a let's say,
I want to say three Curses of maybe like a
Dance Dance Revolution type of things. Whereas he's like, you know,
you had to on Dance Dance Revolution, you had to
jump on like the like the Nintendo powerpad or whatever
PlayStation or arcade. You had to like correspond and get
(19:21):
to arrows at the same time at a certain time. Well,
Space Channel five was the same thing, except you did
it with the controller, so you had to correspond with
the arrows on the screen with Yulala that was the
girl's name. And I know at one point Michael Jackson
would come in and she would like have to free
him from the Little Aliens or whatever, and once she did,
(19:42):
he became part of your team. And then he was
like he was like like Dancer would have been everything,
and they had to like read the Little Aliens. And
also in the second game, he has kind of like
a little soundtrack that's in it that actually you can
look it up on YouTube. Then it's actually pretty cool.
You know. It sounds like he was trying to make
(20:03):
a song, but he had no lyrics for so he
just kind of gave them a beat.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Got you, got you. Yeah, he kind of looks like
screamed Michael Jackson with that like silver suit.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah. That was yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah, And then they had another game it was called
I never played. It was like called Planet Michael. I've
seen it on the iPad. It was like a social
game set in the world of Michael Jackson, but I
never I never really played.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
It was that the one where he's like, I don't know,
like out of space, so you like trying to fly
a plane or something like that. Yeah, there was something
where it was sometimes I don't know, I have actually
three game except on YouTube. Yeah, like he was flying
(20:55):
like like some kind of space flight or something like that.
You know, I've never liked. I said, I've never seen it.
Y'all help us out. You know what it is. I've
seen it, but I can't remember what the name over
the is.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
And then I guess, like we said, south Park fractured,
butthole mentioned and includes Michael Jackson as a character. I
never played that one, but it's funny. That sounds funny
as hell.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah, I have a friend that's played it, and I've
watched him play it, but I didn't like. I didn't
watch it that longer, and I didn't realize that they
mentioned Michael Jackson in it.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah, so that that that's funny.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
But I said Michael, like Michael was he he was
a game that he loved the game. And somewhere I
also saw that when he was on the History Tour,
there was a PlayStation that he had that he signed,
and I want to say he gave it away to somebody.
Maybe they sold us, I don't know, but he he
(21:58):
actually had a PlayStation. Hell he had.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Oh yeah, yeah yeah. And then you know, I mean
you see pictures of him playing video games, like the
one time he was playing Sega and then I guess
they have a picture of him playing the Xbox. So
he was very involved and he was involved in Moonwalker,
saw Me hell man. He was one of the celebrity endorsements,
like when Genesis came out, was it Tommy La Sorda,
(22:22):
Joe Montana, h James, Buster Douglas and then Michael Jackson
with the first set of the first generation games. Yea,
yeah man, And like music is a big part of
video games, so I mean he ushered it. And other
than being the athlete, he was one of the first
(22:44):
that wasn't an athlete that was actually in the you know,
had a video game dedicated to him himself. But uh yeah,
so that's another ohead in any last.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Words, Yeah, he would have made a game.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Oh that would have been cool man.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah, definitely. But you know, I'm quite sure I wonder
if Michael Jackson had I wish that's a dumb question.
I'm sure he did have a neo g O.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, sure, we had Arcade.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yeah he had that. Yeah. I knew that there was
a picture of him like with a I want to
say it's like one of those Nintendo sixty four. He
asked like he would see kmart back in the day.
We had like a little bubble over it, so you
couldn't get the you couldn't take the game out. Michael
Jackson had that at his house, Like, now, why would
you take that one versus the actual sixty four? But
I'm quite sure he had a sixty four. But I
(23:35):
think that's pretty impressive that at Netherland he had an
entire arcade. Yeah, I think yeah, because that was that
was cool. I totally would have hung out there and yeah,
dropped some quarters.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah, well man, that's that's that's again here on forty
something gamers, let us know what you think. Man, if
you guys have any want to share any Michael Jackson
video game experiences or you know, give us feedback, we
definitely like it. And Sharona, any any partying questions or
updates on what you're doing that you want the listeners
(24:10):
to know.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Well, right now, I'm just kind of hanging out. I
am brainstorming up to you on some new artwork. I'm
well overdue, I know, but just hang in there. And
I also wanted to give a special shout out to
one of my retired friends in his cones. Thank you
for the Michael Jackson. Oh the little pop. She got
(24:33):
me a thriller Michael Jackson. It's his second little shoots
like pop rocks what it's called funko pop. And she
also got me a Michael Jackson like a talls and
the coffee cup with like all kind of Michael Jackson
memorabilia like just on it. And it's like, yeah, I
(24:53):
appreciate that. I didn't I didn't get the post off
her Facebook yet, but I appreciate that. And yeah, that's
that's it.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Sorry, ladies and gentlemen, again, thank you for listening. I
want to just say, hey, do you guys like music.
Taron's a artist. I'm a musical artist. Check out my
two music profiles on Spotify and everywhere. Basically, my hip
hop stage name is Furious f U R y U S.
And my composer music producer name is my name MARKI vs.
(25:25):
Naias where I do like instrumentals, house music, dark synth, dance,
latin all of that. Check it out, follow like and
let me know what you think. One of my goals
is to have my music license for a video game.
But ladies and gentlemen, that's me and Sharon signing. Off
for another episode of forty something gamers hope you enjoy
(25:47):
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For more than 30 years The River Cafe in London, has been the home-from-home of artists, architects, designers, actors, collectors, writers, activists, and politicians. Michael Caine, Glenn Close, JJ Abrams, Steve McQueen, Victoria and David Beckham, and Lily Allen, are just some of the people who love to call The River Cafe home. On River Cafe Table 4, Rogers sits down with her customers—who have become friends—to talk about food memories. Table 4 explores how food impacts every aspect of our lives. “Foods is politics, food is cultural, food is how you express love, food is about your heritage, it defines who you and who you want to be,” says Rogers. Each week, Rogers invites her guest to reminisce about family suppers and first dates, what they cook, how they eat when performing, the restaurants they choose, and what food they seek when they need comfort. And to punctuate each episode of Table 4, guests such as Ralph Fiennes, Emily Blunt, and Alfonso Cuarón, read their favourite recipe from one of the best-selling River Cafe cookbooks. Table 4 itself, is situated near The River Cafe’s open kitchen, close to the bright pink wood-fired oven and next to the glossy yellow pass, where Ruthie oversees the restaurant. You are invited to take a seat at this intimate table and join the conversation. For more information, recipes, and ingredients, go to https://shoptherivercafe.co.uk/ Web: https://rivercafe.co.uk/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/therivercafelondon/ Facebook: https://en-gb.facebook.com/therivercafelondon/ For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iheartradio app, apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.