March 6, 2025 • 23 mins
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Your height plays a bigger role in your life than you think. It plays a part in your health, the type of clothing you wear, the opportunities you receive, and even people’s first impressions of you.
Yup, I said it, it even affects people's first impressions of you.
People will literally treat you a certain way because of your height and many tall women feel as though they’re treated unfairly or even discriminated against because of their height, which leads us to the topic of discussion: is height discrimination even real? And how does it affect tall women?
Fun fact, I was actually stuck on what to talk about this week, so I ran a poll over on Instagram. Some of the topics I was looking to discuss included social media being bad for tall girls, what it’s like being a tall woman in the workplace, height discrimination, and the tall family who lied about their height. And the topic of height discrimination BARELY won, indicating that I got some good topics here :)
Anyways, HEIGHT DISCRIMINATION. Height discrimination, or heightism, is essentially people being treated unfairly or unequally because of their height. This can look like bullying or microaggressions, rejection in dating solely on the basis of height, and even people’s perceptions of you being affected in the workplace because of your height.
It can even affect whether or not you get a job or promotion!
So is height discrimination a real thing? Does it affect tall women? Tune in to the full episode for more!
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The founder, Miranda T, has the goal to ensure that we feel comfortable and confident wherever we go, so no more awkward fits or ankle-length pants—just bold, stylish pieces designed to elevate your streetwear wardrobe, one set at a time.
So if you’re looking for something that fits and flatters, definitely check out the Silky Milky Set on the Torso website at torso.ca—it’s going to be linked in the description.
Thank you again to Torso for sponsoring today’s episode!
Here are their deets:
Website: https://www.torso.ca/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/torsostore/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@torso.ca
Your height plays a bigger role in your life than you think. It plays a part in your health, the type of clothing you wear, the opportunities you receive, and even people’s first impressions of you.
Yup, I said it, it even affects people's first impressions of you.
People will literally treat you a certain way because of your height and many tall women feel as though they’re treated unfairly or even discriminated against because of their height, which leads us to the topic of discussion: is height discrimination even real? And how does it affect tall women?
Fun fact, I was actually stuck on what to talk about this week, so I ran a poll over on Instagram. Some of the topics I was looking to discuss included social media being bad for tall girls, what it’s like being a tall woman in the workplace, height discrimination, and the tall family who lied about their height. And the topic of height discrimination BARELY won, indicating that I got some good topics here :)
Anyways, HEIGHT DISCRIMINATION. Height discrimination, or heightism, is essentially people being treated unfairly or unequally because of their height. This can look like bullying or microaggressions, rejection in dating solely on the basis of height, and even people’s perceptions of you being affected in the workplace because of your height.
It can even affect whether or not you get a job or promotion!
So is height discrimination a real thing? Does it affect tall women? Tune in to the full episode for more!
Buy Me A Coffee: https://buymeacoffee.com/atallgirlspodcast
Subscribe to A Tall Girl's Newsletter: https://atallgirlspodcast.beehiiv.com/subscribe
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Your height plays a bigger role in your life than
you think. It plays a part in your health, the
type of clothes you wear, the opportunities that come up,
and even people's first impressions of us. Yep, you heard
that correctly. It even affects people's first impressions of us.
People will literally treat you a certain way based on
your height, like how tall you are, and many tall
(00:20):
women feel as though they've been treated unfairly or even
maybe discriminated against because of their height, which leads us
to the topic of discussion. Is high discrimination real and
how does it affect tall women? Let's talk about it.
Good morning everybody. You are currently listening to a Tall
Girls podcast hosted by a tall girl named India. I
(00:43):
hope everyone who is sitting in today is doing super fantastic.
Before I get into this episode, I do want to
say make sure you're following me on my socials at
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(01:05):
Who that was a lot. Oh my gosh, make sure
you subscribe to that. Everything is gonna be linked in
the description fun facts. I actually got stuck on what
to talk about on this episode because I have quite
a few ideas floating around in my brain. I mean,
I'm grateful that I have more than enough options to
(01:26):
choose from in terms of topics. It's always better to
have more than less, well in this sense, So I
decided to run a poll over on Instagram and ask
you guys what you guys wanted to hear next on
the podcast. And you know, it's not like one wan
by a landslide. It was actually pretty close, which at
least tells me that you guys are very interested in
(01:46):
the topics that I have thought about for future episodes
for this podcast. But the topic of height discrimination barely
want barely barely wan. So that's what we're talking about today.
So I hope everyone is doing fantabulous. Hopefully you have
a drink, a little snacky snack, a little meal, something,
get comfortable, and we're just gonna get into high discrimination
(02:10):
and how it affects the tall girl community, But of
course we should probably define what heighth discrimination is. So
height discrimination or sometimes called high desm, is essentially people
being treated unfairly or unequally because of their height, and
this could take form in several different ways, like bullying
and microaggressions, rejection in dating solely on the basis of
(02:32):
your height, or even people's perceptions of you in the
workplace based on your height. And apparently it could even
affect whether or not you get a certain job. Like
there are actual laws now it prevents discrimination on the
basis of height when it comes to applying and interviewing
for a job, unless it's absolutely necessary for you to
be a certain height for the job. So it kind
(02:54):
of limits or even bands maybe that's the correct word.
I don't know, but it even events inquiries around height
and weight. So I guess that's how bad it is
in certain states. And I feel like, hmm, I think, okay,
I think I'm going to play this clip really quickly
on what height discrimination and highism is before I say
(03:16):
that thought, so I'm going to play this clip really quickly.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Is height discrimination a real thing? There are some studies
that point towards heightism being a real form of discrimination
than Mail's face. For example, this study found that for
every five centimeter increase in mail height, there was a
nine percent decrease in suicide risk. This is also taking
into accounts socioeconomic status. The correlation between height and confidence
also translates into the workplace. Someone who is six feet
(03:39):
tall will earn one hundred and sixty six thousand dollars
more on average during a thirty year career when compared
to somebody who is five foot five. The study that
this was based off of also took into account age, weight,
and gender. Men in the military who were shorter than
average height also showed an increased risk for depression and suicide. Surprisingly,
this pattern was also found with taller men. Many taller
than average feared that they were unable to live up
(04:02):
to their expectations.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
And kind of based on that, or even just in general,
I feel like the topic of hidhism or high discrimination
is more so talked about in regards to men in
relation to men, even from the lens of men, and
not really so much in regards to women. So I
think it would be interesting to talk about that today
(04:24):
and we could be a little a little trendsetter if
you know what I mean and talk about highism in
regards to women, and of course through the lens of
a tall women. There are two major places where heigh
discrimination or highism occurs for tall women. The first, which
is a bit more outright, is the dating sphere, and then,
(04:45):
in a less outright sense, in fashion. I did ask
you guys in a poll over on Instagram, where do
you think hidhism is most prevalent? A whopping fifty eight
percent of you guys said in dating, twenty one percent
said in fashion, eleven percent said in the workplace, and
ten percent said in social settings slash other. Wow, you
(05:11):
guys must have a lot of thoughts about you know,
heidism in dating, in the dating world. But listen, we're
gonna explore each one of these a little bit in
this episode. So let's get into it and see if
what you guys are saying is actually true. So first,
let's just talk about dating. Dating as a tall woman
is definitely a fun experience. You have those who think
(05:35):
we're absolutely amazing, but they just can't date a woman
who's taller than them. You have those who constantly remind
us that our height makes them feel insecure about their height,
and even those who see us as less of people
and more as dommy mommies. Oh my god, this sounds
so cringe. Okay, listen, it's not all that bad, but
it can be pretty bad at times. I mean, it's
(05:56):
not uncommon for tall women to get ghosts because somebody
found out about their height, the other person found out
about their height, and they just don't want to talk
to somebody who's talked to a woman who is taller
than them, or even at times when you know, it
does happen, but then the person the other person makes
us feel bad for let's say, wanting to wear heels
(06:16):
or something of that sort. Let's listen to this clip
to hear more about the experiences of dating as a
tall woman.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Okay, let's talk about tall girls and dating. So the
question I get asked second most to oh my gosh,
how tall are you is how is it dating? And
I am married to an amazing man he is taller
than me. Again, let's not ask, oh my gosh, is
(06:43):
your husband taller than you? Because it doesn't matter if
you marry someone shorter than you were taller than you.
It shouldn't matter. Love is love anyway. But I'm just
gonna be honest. Dating in high school sucked.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
I didn't date.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
I was pretty much the tallest one at my high school,
so didn't have a lot of options, and it was hard.
I'm not gonna lie, didn't gas a lot of dances,
all of that. But then I got to college and
it was a lot better.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Something I've noticed, as a six foot tall woman who
typically dates straight men, the men who are maybe an
inch or two shorter than me, say like between five
ten five eleven, they are the most obsessed with the
fact that they're not as tall as me and or
taller like the men who are considerably shorter than me,
(07:29):
between like five seven five nine. They never bring it up.
They don't care. It's not a topic of conversation. They're
not insecure about it. It's almost just like a joke sometimes,
but nothing that's ever brought up in like a concerning manner.
But the ones who are just barely shorter, it's like
(07:49):
they're just so close that it's enough to really piss
them off and make it a constant, just aggravation whenever
we're around each other. I don't understand. It's so silly
and I don't know if this is an experience that
only I have had, but it's really funny. And also
now I typically date men that are like a good
(08:12):
amount short of the me because of this, Also, men
that are taller than me, like, whenever they do date me,
they treat it like some kind of like charity work, like, oh, well, typically.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I date women who are foot shorter than me.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
But you know, I was feeling nice and like gracious,
so you're like blessed to even be in my presence.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Now, I do have a couple takes on the whole
dating experience as a tall woman. Firstly, I would like
to say that, you know, people do have their own preferences,
and it's normal. People have their preferences in heights, people
have their own preferences, and culture and race and even
like personality traits. People have their preferences, and that's okay.
(08:51):
I think the main issue is when people start making
other people feel bad or feel some type of way
about their height, like making fun of them, are saying oh,
they can never do this, or oh they can never
do that, like oh, like for example, when they say
tall women can never be feminine. That's an issue if
you prefer to not be with a tall woman, that's fine,
But when you're making a statement such as that, and oh,
(09:13):
that's why I would never date a tall women because
tall women can't be feminine, like that makes absolutely no
sense to me. Whereas if you're just saying it's not
my preference to day a tall woman, is like, okay,
everybody has their own preferences. But I also think that
a majority of the issues in terms of dating as
a tall woman comes from online dating than real life,
(09:35):
because in online dating, you can't physically like see the
person like low Ki, you could even be catfish like.
You just don't truly know what the person looks like
until you actually go see them in real life. So
in real life, if somebody were to approach a tall woman,
it's more likely that they know that she is on
the taller side and they're still interested in that and
(09:58):
they would still go up to her, where As an
online dating, you're just looking at pictures. Maybe they don't
even have pictures with other people, so you can see
high comparisons, and so you have to outright ask them like, hey,
like how tall are you and then they tell you
they're hopefully it's the truth, and that's when they are
just like, oh, never mind, or they just don't talk
(10:20):
to the person, or in the instance of ghosting, they
just ghost a person because they're qute unquote too tall.
And I feel like also on in online dating, it's
easier to be ruder about it. It's easier to be
rude about it, whereas in person you're more likely to
just be nicer about it or let them down softer, softly,
(10:41):
if you know what I mean. So essentially, what I'm
trying to say is high discrimination. Yes, can occur in
the dating world for tall women, but I think it's
more likely to happen online in the online dating space
versus in real life. Let's listen to these clips really quickly.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
I was just messaging this guy on Tinder and he
asked me how tall I was, and I said I'm
tall and he goes.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
I don't care how tall you are.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
How tall are you?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
And I told him and then he unmatched me. Happy
almost Valentine's Day.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
You know something, when you go on a first date
from like so dating apps, like even though I've got
a picture from in swimwear, there's always slight fear that
they're going to be like, oh, I didn't realize you
were that size, or like right, if it's from a
dating app, I think people.
Speaker 7 (11:22):
You know with heis sometimes I think people have it
with but I do think I feel like it's a
thing that's two for bigger people because it's like I
have to make sure they know this thing, which is
like that people have different bodies after this.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
The height thing is so funny because like if you're
on the date first and your date arrives, you're sitting
down and I go like, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
But yeah, some tall women believe that highism is a
real issue for them in the dating world. So let's
discuss tall girlies. What's your dating experience been, like, the good,
the bad, though, what the heck just happened? Moments? Drop
them in the comments, and let's settle this once and
for all. Now, let's transition over to fashion. We all know,
we all know the struggle when it comes to fashion
(12:08):
and clothing as a tall woman. You know, the sleeves,
the lung sleeves don't reach our wrists, the pants don't
reach our ankles, the mini dresses or just dresses in
generals fit like t shirts. It's it's quite embarrassing at times.
It's quite annoying, quite crusty, quite crusty, rusty, musty, busty
and dusty at times. But it's true that many brands
(12:30):
don't cater to us because we're not part of the masses.
I mean, the average head of a woman is five
to four and obviously this is dependent on the city,
the country, wherever you live in terms of if the
clothing is gonna fit you or be long enough. But
for the most part, they don't really cater to women
that are like five nine, five ten and up, just
(12:53):
in general. And yes, they see it as a waste
of money because we're not part of the masses, and
then that just leads us to feel as though we're
being excluded.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
I wonder if brands out there realize how much more
money they could make if they just offered their jeans
or pants in multiple legs, Like if you offered your
genes in a longer length, Like do you realize that
you could make more money and they offer it in
a longer length or just make it in a longer
length and the shorter people can go and get them happen,
Like there's no there is no solution for people who
(13:24):
can't find pants that are long enough. We can't go
get them like you can't add length.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Why why does this happen?
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Now, there are two things that I want to touch
on just a tiny bit. Some clothing brands practically lie
about their tall clothing. When they label their pants, for example,
as tall or long, they really mean for the five
to seven, five eight, maybe five nine girlies, but not
like five eleven ors even six feet in up. And see,
this is why the five seven and five eight girlies
be thinking that they're so tall, because these clothing brands
(13:53):
have them thinking that way. Oh my gosh, did I
just figure it out? And so the fashion brands that
think that they're making tall for the tall girlies, this
is not what I mean. Listen, no t no shade
to the five seven, five A five nine girlies. Okay,
I'm sure they have their own set of struggles when
it comes to clothing as well, especially when it comes
(14:13):
to end seams and so forth. But it just brings
me back to the tall girl friendly debate on my
tall Fast Fashion is a scam episode where, especially on
TikTok on TikTok Shop, a lot of the creators that
we're saying, yeah, this is a tall girlfriendly set, Yeah,
this is a tall girlfriendly pants, so forth, and so on.
A lot of them were saying, yeah, by the way,
(14:34):
my height is five to seven or like five six
or five eight. And it's like, so there are women
out there taller than you trying to find tall girlfriendly
sets and stuff, but you're quite literally not around that height.
So is it really tall girlfriendly you know? But yeah, no,
t no shade to them. I will say that. Now,
on the flip side, there's the issue with tall plus
(14:57):
sized clothing. Something that I want to bring attention to
is lack of tall plus sized clothing. Over the past
few years, I've gotten quite a few comments about how
many places that sell tall clothing rarely go pass size
eighteen or twenty. And it sucks because as tall women,
we already have a hard time finding clothes that fit.
But tall plus sized clothing, where do you even go
(15:17):
for that? And you know, there was already such a
major fight into getting you know, plus sized clothing to
be more mainstream and to even be in stores. But
now even with just regular plus sized clothing. I don't
know if you heard, but with Target starting to pull
that out of their stores. It's kind of like, what's
going on. Here's what's happening, okay, you know. So, yes,
(15:41):
there is a bit of exclusion in that area. And
while we're on the topic of clothing and the fact
that we as tall women have a hard time finding
clothes that fit us well, I would like to talk
about the sponsor of today's episode, Torso. Torso is a
newly launched streetwear brand. Yep, you heard that correctly, streetwear
brand designed with height and style in mind. The founder,
Miranda t has the goal to ensure that we feel
(16:03):
comfortable and confident wherever we go. So no more awkward
fits or pants that barely reach our ankles, just bold,
stylish pieces designed to elevate your street where wardrobe, one
set at a time. So if you're looking for something
that fits and flatters, definitely check out their Silky Milky
set on the Torso website at Torso dot Ca. All
of their links are going to be in the description.
(16:24):
And thank you again to Torso for sponsoring today's episode.
But something that I also want to touch on a
little bit, like, yes, we feel like we're excluded in
fashion when it comes to shopping for clothes. But then
there's the other side on the fashion industry in modeling,
where a lot of tall women, so a lot of
women who are let's say six feet in up. They're
(16:45):
also often rejected or excluded from modeling agencies because they're
considered quote unquote too tall, whereas these modeling agencies are
looking for women that are about five eight to five ten,
maybe even five eleven.
Speaker 8 (16:58):
Okay, I want to rant. So every single person I
meet tells me, Kylie, you're so pretty, you're so tall,
you should be a model. So every time I go
to a modeling agency to try and get on their russer,
they measure me. And even today I went to one
and I was like, not even standing up that straight.
He measured me at six foot one and a half.
(17:19):
Before he measured me, he was super interested. He definitely
thought he you give me work. And then after he
measures me, he's like, I'm sorry, I can't take you
on because you're just too tall at six one and
a half. And a lot of people don't know that
the models are only like five eight to five eleven,
(17:39):
and it's they you think the industry is changing, it's not.
It's really not. You got your girls who are size
zero two four, and then girls six eight don't work,
and then you get your plus size.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
So there are definitely a lot of aspects where we
can feel excluded in terms of the fashion industry, in
terms of clothing shopping for clothing, but also in modeling.
But honestly, I don't think it's as bad as the
dating world, where other people will be extremely rude about it,
treat some type of way because we're tall women, act
(18:12):
differently because we're tall women, and so forth and so on.
So yeah, those are the two major things, but high
discrimination slash highism does go beyond fashion and dating. We
have social situations where people can act more aggressively towards us,
or make certain comments about our bodies or certain jokes
because of our hype. We also can see it in
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the workplace, arguably more so for men, where promotions and
raises and opportunities could potentially depend on your hype. It's
not like it's something that's outrightly outrightly Is that even
a word outrightly? We'll just say it outrightly stated. But
you know, there also are studies that show that, yeah,
the taller you are in the workplace. As a man,
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you are more likely to earn more money, you are
more likely to get that promotion, you are more likely
to get a job over someone who is shorter. But
I will go over that like the whole situation with
the workplace, just in terms of in regards to tall
women in another episode. And we may also see a
tad bit of hidhism in public spaces with cars and planes,
(19:15):
et cetera, where there's not necessarily enough space. There's not
as much accessibility when it comes to space for our legs,
like in planes and plane seats or even in cars,
and sometimes we even have to pay more money to
have access to those types of privileges or even in
terms of apartments and houses. I've spoke about this in
(19:36):
like an episode where I was talking about being tall
is like super expensive where many times in order to
be comfortable in your own space you kind of have
to pay extra to get renovations done for things to
be higher or taller. So is high discrimination real? Yes,
it is. However, Yep, there's a However, I argue that
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it's worse for shorter people than it is for tall
taller people, because let's face it, I mean there are
several studies that show that there are massive perks for
what that come with being tall. Okay, we talk about
how in the workplace or taller people are I think
more so taller men, but we'll get into that in
another episode. But taller people will say are more likely
(20:19):
to earn more money, Taller people are more likely to
be respected, Taller people are more likely to get that
promotion or get that raise. It's like, it's just how
it is currently, which is very interesting to me. And
I think this is largely due to the fact that
height is seen as a masculine trade. The more height
you have, the more masculine you are seen as. And
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in a way, even though it can suck because we
have those masculine trades placed onto us because we're tall,
it's also a thing of we also do experience some
of the perks because of it, whereas the shorter folks
may have to do certain things or have certain personality trades,
are so forth and so on to basically get the
(21:05):
perks that we get to enjoy because of our height.
So that's just my opinion, that's what I think about it. Yes,
heighth discrimination is real, but I do think that it
could be worse for shorter people than it is for
tather people. Now, that's not to downplay any of our struggles.
That's not to downplay anybody struggles. We all have our
own separate set of struggles and challenges, and they're all valid.
(21:29):
They all impact our lives in different ways. However, when
it comes to situations such as this, I think that,
you know, it could be a little bit worse for
shorter people. But that's just me, that's just my opinion.
Don't come for me, Okay. All of our experiences are valid, okay,
And there are instances where it could be more of
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a high bias rather than a high discrimination, where discrimination
is quite literally like you're being treated unfairly, you're being excluded,
and so forth, and so on, where that's very present
in the dating world, in social situations, where people will
even act more aggressively towards us, whereas high bias, where
(22:11):
it's like kind of like prefer this type of hyde
or so forth, where it's like a less less intense
situation is more so seen like in the fashion industry,
in the fashion world and so forth. So that is
my take on the whole situation. Thank you for tuning
into this episode. I really appreciate it, and I appreciate
(22:32):
you as always. Feel free to hit me up on
my socials at a Toll Girls podcast and we can
discuss this. Let me know your thoughts on hype discrimination,
if you think it's real, if you think it's worse
for shorter people, or if it's worse for taller people.
I would love to chat about it. And of course
if you're on YouTube or so forth, you can let
me know in the comments your thoughts. And thank you
again to today's sponsor Tourso make sure you check out
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And I hope you have a fantabulous rest of air
dye period And until then, I'll catch you in the
next one. Good night and goodbye.
Your height plays a bigger role in your life than
you think. It plays a part in your health, the
type of clothes you wear, the opportunities that come up,
and even people's first impressions of us. Yep, you heard
that correctly. It even affects people's first impressions of us.
People will literally treat you a certain way based on
your height, like how tall you are, and many tall
(00:20):
women feel as though they've been treated unfairly or even
maybe discriminated against because of their height, which leads us
to the topic of discussion. Is high discrimination real and
how does it affect tall women? Let's talk about it.
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Who that was a lot. Oh my gosh, make sure
you subscribe to that. Everything is gonna be linked in
the description fun facts. I actually got stuck on what
to talk about on this episode because I have quite
a few ideas floating around in my brain. I mean,
I'm grateful that I have more than enough options to
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choose from in terms of topics. It's always better to
have more than less, well in this sense, So I
decided to run a poll over on Instagram and ask
you guys what you guys wanted to hear next on
the podcast. And you know, it's not like one wan
by a landslide. It was actually pretty close, which at
least tells me that you guys are very interested in
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the topics that I have thought about for future episodes
for this podcast. But the topic of height discrimination barely
want barely barely wan. So that's what we're talking about today.
So I hope everyone is doing fantabulous. Hopefully you have
a drink, a little snacky snack, a little meal, something,
get comfortable, and we're just gonna get into high discrimination
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and how it affects the tall girl community, But of
course we should probably define what heighth discrimination is. So
height discrimination or sometimes called high desm, is essentially people
being treated unfairly or unequally because of their height, and
this could take form in several different ways, like bullying
and microaggressions, rejection in dating solely on the basis of
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your height, or even people's perceptions of you in the
workplace based on your height. And apparently it could even
affect whether or not you get a certain job. Like
there are actual laws now it prevents discrimination on the
basis of height when it comes to applying and interviewing
for a job, unless it's absolutely necessary for you to
be a certain height for the job. So it kind
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of limits or even bands maybe that's the correct word.
I don't know, but it even events inquiries around height
and weight. So I guess that's how bad it is
in certain states. And I feel like, hmm, I think, okay,
I think I'm going to play this clip really quickly
on what height discrimination and highism is before I say
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that thought, so I'm going to play this clip really quickly.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Is height discrimination a real thing? There are some studies
that point towards heightism being a real form of discrimination
than Mail's face. For example, this study found that for
every five centimeter increase in mail height, there was a
nine percent decrease in suicide risk. This is also taking
into accounts socioeconomic status. The correlation between height and confidence
also translates into the workplace. Someone who is six feet
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tall will earn one hundred and sixty six thousand dollars
more on average during a thirty year career when compared
to somebody who is five foot five. The study that
this was based off of also took into account age, weight,
and gender. Men in the military who were shorter than
average height also showed an increased risk for depression and suicide. Surprisingly,
this pattern was also found with taller men. Many taller
than average feared that they were unable to live up
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to their expectations.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
And kind of based on that, or even just in general,
I feel like the topic of hidhism or high discrimination
is more so talked about in regards to men in
relation to men, even from the lens of men, and
not really so much in regards to women. So I
think it would be interesting to talk about that today
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and we could be a little a little trendsetter if
you know what I mean and talk about highism in
regards to women, and of course through the lens of
a tall women. There are two major places where heigh
discrimination or highism occurs for tall women. The first, which
is a bit more outright, is the dating sphere, and then,
(04:45):
in a less outright sense, in fashion. I did ask
you guys in a poll over on Instagram, where do
you think hidhism is most prevalent? A whopping fifty eight
percent of you guys said in dating, twenty one percent
said in fashion, eleven percent said in the workplace, and
ten percent said in social settings slash other. Wow, you
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guys must have a lot of thoughts about you know,
heidism in dating, in the dating world. But listen, we're
gonna explore each one of these a little bit in
this episode. So let's get into it and see if
what you guys are saying is actually true. So first,
let's just talk about dating. Dating as a tall woman
is definitely a fun experience. You have those who think
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we're absolutely amazing, but they just can't date a woman
who's taller than them. You have those who constantly remind
us that our height makes them feel insecure about their height,
and even those who see us as less of people
and more as dommy mommies. Oh my god, this sounds
so cringe. Okay, listen, it's not all that bad, but
it can be pretty bad at times. I mean, it's
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not uncommon for tall women to get ghosts because somebody
found out about their height, the other person found out
about their height, and they just don't want to talk
to somebody who's talked to a woman who is taller
than them, or even at times when you know, it
does happen, but then the person the other person makes
us feel bad for let's say, wanting to wear heels
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or something of that sort. Let's listen to this clip
to hear more about the experiences of dating as a
tall woman.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Okay, let's talk about tall girls and dating. So the
question I get asked second most to oh my gosh,
how tall are you is how is it dating? And
I am married to an amazing man he is taller
than me. Again, let's not ask, oh my gosh, is
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your husband taller than you? Because it doesn't matter if
you marry someone shorter than you were taller than you.
It shouldn't matter. Love is love anyway. But I'm just
gonna be honest. Dating in high school sucked.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
I didn't date.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
I was pretty much the tallest one at my high school,
so didn't have a lot of options, and it was hard.
I'm not gonna lie, didn't gas a lot of dances,
all of that. But then I got to college and
it was a lot better.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Something I've noticed, as a six foot tall woman who
typically dates straight men, the men who are maybe an
inch or two shorter than me, say like between five
ten five eleven, they are the most obsessed with the
fact that they're not as tall as me and or
taller like the men who are considerably shorter than me,
(07:29):
between like five seven five nine. They never bring it up.
They don't care. It's not a topic of conversation. They're
not insecure about it. It's almost just like a joke sometimes,
but nothing that's ever brought up in like a concerning manner.
But the ones who are just barely shorter, it's like
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they're just so close that it's enough to really piss
them off and make it a constant, just aggravation whenever
we're around each other. I don't understand. It's so silly
and I don't know if this is an experience that
only I have had, but it's really funny. And also
now I typically date men that are like a good
(08:12):
amount short of the me because of this, Also, men
that are taller than me, like, whenever they do date me,
they treat it like some kind of like charity work, like, oh, well, typically.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I date women who are foot shorter than me.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
But you know, I was feeling nice and like gracious,
so you're like blessed to even be in my presence.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Now, I do have a couple takes on the whole
dating experience as a tall woman. Firstly, I would like
to say that, you know, people do have their own preferences,
and it's normal. People have their preferences in heights, people
have their own preferences, and culture and race and even
like personality traits. People have their preferences, and that's okay.
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I think the main issue is when people start making
other people feel bad or feel some type of way
about their height, like making fun of them, are saying oh,
they can never do this, or oh they can never
do that, like oh, like for example, when they say
tall women can never be feminine. That's an issue if
you prefer to not be with a tall woman, that's fine,
But when you're making a statement such as that, and oh,
(09:13):
that's why I would never date a tall women because
tall women can't be feminine, like that makes absolutely no
sense to me. Whereas if you're just saying it's not
my preference to day a tall woman, is like, okay,
everybody has their own preferences. But I also think that
a majority of the issues in terms of dating as
a tall woman comes from online dating than real life,
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because in online dating, you can't physically like see the
person like low Ki, you could even be catfish like.
You just don't truly know what the person looks like
until you actually go see them in real life. So
in real life, if somebody were to approach a tall woman,
it's more likely that they know that she is on
the taller side and they're still interested in that and
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they would still go up to her, where As an
online dating, you're just looking at pictures. Maybe they don't
even have pictures with other people, so you can see
high comparisons, and so you have to outright ask them like, hey,
like how tall are you and then they tell you
they're hopefully it's the truth, and that's when they are
just like, oh, never mind, or they just don't talk
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to the person, or in the instance of ghosting, they
just ghost a person because they're qute unquote too tall.
And I feel like also on in online dating, it's
easier to be ruder about it. It's easier to be
rude about it, whereas in person you're more likely to
just be nicer about it or let them down softer, softly,
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if you know what I mean. So essentially, what I'm
trying to say is high discrimination. Yes, can occur in
the dating world for tall women, but I think it's
more likely to happen online in the online dating space
versus in real life. Let's listen to these clips really quickly.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
I was just messaging this guy on Tinder and he
asked me how tall I was, and I said I'm
tall and he goes.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
I don't care how tall you are.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
How tall are you?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
And I told him and then he unmatched me. Happy
almost Valentine's Day.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
You know something, when you go on a first date
from like so dating apps, like even though I've got
a picture from in swimwear, there's always slight fear that
they're going to be like, oh, I didn't realize you
were that size, or like right, if it's from a
dating app, I think people.
Speaker 7 (11:22):
You know with heis sometimes I think people have it
with but I do think I feel like it's a
thing that's two for bigger people because it's like I
have to make sure they know this thing, which is
like that people have different bodies after this.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
The height thing is so funny because like if you're
on the date first and your date arrives, you're sitting
down and I go like, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
But yeah, some tall women believe that highism is a
real issue for them in the dating world. So let's
discuss tall girlies. What's your dating experience been, like, the good,
the bad, though, what the heck just happened? Moments? Drop
them in the comments, and let's settle this once and
for all. Now, let's transition over to fashion. We all know,
we all know the struggle when it comes to fashion
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and clothing as a tall woman. You know, the sleeves,
the lung sleeves don't reach our wrists, the pants don't
reach our ankles, the mini dresses or just dresses in
generals fit like t shirts. It's it's quite embarrassing at times.
It's quite annoying, quite crusty, quite crusty, rusty, musty, busty
and dusty at times. But it's true that many brands
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don't cater to us because we're not part of the masses.
I mean, the average head of a woman is five
to four and obviously this is dependent on the city,
the country, wherever you live in terms of if the
clothing is gonna fit you or be long enough. But
for the most part, they don't really cater to women
that are like five nine, five ten and up, just
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in general. And yes, they see it as a waste
of money because we're not part of the masses, and
then that just leads us to feel as though we're
being excluded.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
I wonder if brands out there realize how much more
money they could make if they just offered their jeans
or pants in multiple legs, Like if you offered your
genes in a longer length, Like do you realize that
you could make more money and they offer it in
a longer length or just make it in a longer
length and the shorter people can go and get them happen,
Like there's no there is no solution for people who
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can't find pants that are long enough. We can't go
get them like you can't add length.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Why why does this happen?
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Now, there are two things that I want to touch
on just a tiny bit. Some clothing brands practically lie
about their tall clothing. When they label their pants, for example,
as tall or long, they really mean for the five
to seven, five eight, maybe five nine girlies, but not
like five eleven ors even six feet in up. And see,
this is why the five seven and five eight girlies
be thinking that they're so tall, because these clothing brands
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have them thinking that way. Oh my gosh, did I
just figure it out? And so the fashion brands that
think that they're making tall for the tall girlies, this
is not what I mean. Listen, no t no shade
to the five seven, five A five nine girlies. Okay,
I'm sure they have their own set of struggles when
it comes to clothing as well, especially when it comes
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to end seams and so forth. But it just brings
me back to the tall girl friendly debate on my
tall Fast Fashion is a scam episode where, especially on
TikTok on TikTok Shop, a lot of the creators that
we're saying, yeah, this is a tall girlfriendly set, Yeah,
this is a tall girlfriendly pants, so forth, and so on.
A lot of them were saying, yeah, by the way,
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my height is five to seven or like five six
or five eight. And it's like, so there are women
out there taller than you trying to find tall girlfriendly
sets and stuff, but you're quite literally not around that height.
So is it really tall girlfriendly you know? But yeah, no,
t no shade to them. I will say that. Now,
on the flip side, there's the issue with tall plus
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sized clothing. Something that I want to bring attention to
is lack of tall plus sized clothing. Over the past
few years, I've gotten quite a few comments about how
many places that sell tall clothing rarely go pass size
eighteen or twenty. And it sucks because as tall women,
we already have a hard time finding clothes that fit.
But tall plus sized clothing, where do you even go
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for that? And you know, there was already such a
major fight into getting you know, plus sized clothing to
be more mainstream and to even be in stores. But
now even with just regular plus sized clothing. I don't
know if you heard, but with Target starting to pull
that out of their stores. It's kind of like, what's
going on. Here's what's happening, okay, you know. So, yes,
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there is a bit of exclusion in that area. And
while we're on the topic of clothing and the fact
that we as tall women have a hard time finding
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And thank you again to Torso for sponsoring today's episode.
But something that I also want to touch on a
little bit, like, yes, we feel like we're excluded in
fashion when it comes to shopping for clothes. But then
there's the other side on the fashion industry in modeling,
where a lot of tall women, so a lot of
women who are let's say six feet in up. They're
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also often rejected or excluded from modeling agencies because they're
considered quote unquote too tall, whereas these modeling agencies are
looking for women that are about five eight to five ten,
maybe even five eleven.
Speaker 8 (16:58):
Okay, I want to rant. So every single person I
meet tells me, Kylie, you're so pretty, you're so tall,
you should be a model. So every time I go
to a modeling agency to try and get on their russer,
they measure me. And even today I went to one
and I was like, not even standing up that straight.
He measured me at six foot one and a half.
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Before he measured me, he was super interested. He definitely
thought he you give me work. And then after he
measures me, he's like, I'm sorry, I can't take you
on because you're just too tall at six one and
a half. And a lot of people don't know that
the models are only like five eight to five eleven,
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and it's they you think the industry is changing, it's not.
It's really not. You got your girls who are size
zero two four, and then girls six eight don't work,
and then you get your plus size.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
So there are definitely a lot of aspects where we
can feel excluded in terms of the fashion industry, in
terms of clothing shopping for clothing, but also in modeling.
But honestly, I don't think it's as bad as the
dating world, where other people will be extremely rude about it,
treat some type of way because we're tall women, act
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differently because we're tall women, and so forth and so on.
So yeah, those are the two major things, but high
discrimination slash highism does go beyond fashion and dating. We
have social situations where people can act more aggressively towards us,
or make certain comments about our bodies or certain jokes
because of our hype. We also can see it in
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the workplace, arguably more so for men, where promotions and
raises and opportunities could potentially depend on your hype. It's
not like it's something that's outrightly outrightly Is that even
a word outrightly? We'll just say it outrightly stated. But
you know, there also are studies that show that, yeah,
the taller you are in the workplace. As a man,
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you are more likely to earn more money, you are
more likely to get that promotion, you are more likely
to get a job over someone who is shorter. But
I will go over that like the whole situation with
the workplace, just in terms of in regards to tall
women in another episode. And we may also see a
tad bit of hidhism in public spaces with cars and planes,
(19:15):
et cetera, where there's not necessarily enough space. There's not
as much accessibility when it comes to space for our legs,
like in planes and plane seats or even in cars,
and sometimes we even have to pay more money to
have access to those types of privileges or even in
terms of apartments and houses. I've spoke about this in
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like an episode where I was talking about being tall
is like super expensive where many times in order to
be comfortable in your own space you kind of have
to pay extra to get renovations done for things to
be higher or taller. So is high discrimination real? Yes,
it is. However, Yep, there's a However, I argue that
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it's worse for shorter people than it is for tall
taller people, because let's face it, I mean there are
several studies that show that there are massive perks for
what that come with being tall. Okay, we talk about
how in the workplace or taller people are I think
more so taller men, but we'll get into that in
another episode. But taller people will say are more likely
(20:19):
to earn more money, Taller people are more likely to
be respected, Taller people are more likely to get that
promotion or get that raise. It's like, it's just how
it is currently, which is very interesting to me. And
I think this is largely due to the fact that
height is seen as a masculine trade. The more height
you have, the more masculine you are seen as. And
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in a way, even though it can suck because we
have those masculine trades placed onto us because we're tall,
it's also a thing of we also do experience some
of the perks because of it, whereas the shorter folks
may have to do certain things or have certain personality trades,
are so forth and so on to basically get the
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perks that we get to enjoy because of our height.
So that's just my opinion, that's what I think about it. Yes,
heighth discrimination is real, but I do think that it
could be worse for shorter people than it is for
tather people. Now, that's not to downplay any of our struggles.
That's not to downplay anybody struggles. We all have our
own separate set of struggles and challenges, and they're all valid.
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They all impact our lives in different ways. However, when
it comes to situations such as this, I think that,
you know, it could be a little bit worse for
shorter people. But that's just me, that's just my opinion.
Don't come for me, Okay. All of our experiences are valid, okay,
And there are instances where it could be more of
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a high bias rather than a high discrimination, where discrimination
is quite literally like you're being treated unfairly, you're being excluded,
and so forth, and so on, where that's very present
in the dating world, in social situations, where people will
even act more aggressively towards us, whereas high bias, where
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it's like kind of like prefer this type of hyde
or so forth, where it's like a less less intense
situation is more so seen like in the fashion industry,
in the fashion world and so forth. So that is
my take on the whole situation. Thank you for tuning
into this episode. I really appreciate it, and I appreciate
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you as always. Feel free to hit me up on
my socials at a Toll Girls podcast and we can
discuss this. Let me know your thoughts on hype discrimination,
if you think it's real, if you think it's worse
for shorter people, or if it's worse for taller people.
I would love to chat about it. And of course
if you're on YouTube or so forth, you can let
me know in the comments your thoughts. And thank you
again to today's sponsor Tourso make sure you check out
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their brand. Make sure you check out their website. All
of the links are going to be in the description.
And I hope you have a fantabulous rest of air
dye period And until then, I'll catch you in the
next one. Good night and goodbye.
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