Filters

Decades ago, you might have fantasized about clearing up your complexion in a photo but you probably didn’t envision augmented reality filters and how seamlessly they can change one’s image. On this episode of All the F Words, Gabi and Joanne talk about filters – the kinds being used on Instagram, Tik Tok and Snap Chat….and the dangers of their obsessive use by young girls still forming their identities and self-images.

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Beauty Filters are Changing the Way Young Girls See Themselveshttps://www.technologyreview.com/2021/04/02/1021635/beauty-filters-young-girls-augmented-reality-social-media/
This Is a Problem': A New Hyper-Realistic TikTok Beauty Filter Is Freaking People Outhttps://www.vice.com/en/article/pkg747/tiktok-beauty-filter-bold-glamor-problem
From ‘Instagram Face’ to ‘Snapchat dysmorphia’ – How Beauty Filters are Changing the Way We See Ourselves https://www.forbes.com/sites/annahaines/2021/04/27/from-instagram-face-to-snapchat-dysmorphia-how-beauty-filters-are-changing-the-way-we-see-ourselves/?sh=2e6d6a04eff4

Episode Transcript

(00:05):
Welcome to All the Efforts, apodcast where two writer friends nearly thirty years
apart, explore everything we gave anf about. I'm Gabby Muscoot and I'm
joe Anne Green. On each episodeof All the Efforts, we focus on
a theme starting with the letter Fthings like fallacies, flashbacks, and funk.
We'll share stories from our lives andour distinct generational perspectives and looked to

(00:28):
experts for insights and ideas. Todaywe're talking about filters, and this is
one of those crazy times where Ithink our generational difference and maybe even yet
another generational difference of some of ouraudience members really has a different viewpoint of
the word filter. So I wasthinking filters, Like you know, often

(00:52):
I accused myself, perhaps others accusedme of not having a filter. So
this is perhaps a good things abad thing, but it can get me
in trouble. Like I think thethought and it comes up my mouth.
There's no filtering that happens. Butin fact, once I went online and
saw what the word filter really meansto the vast majority of people in twenty

(01:15):
twenty three, it became clear tome that we were going to be talking
about the kind of filters that arepervasive in terms of their use by people
on Instagram, TikTok, and snapchat, so beauty filters they're sometimes called.
That's a particular kind of filter we'regoing to be talking about, And of
course some people use them to enhancetheir landscape shops. A lot of people,

(01:40):
though, in particular young girls,kind of feel pressure to alter their
appearances to appear lawless the way thatthese filters made them look. So it's
kind of bleak. And that's whatwe're talking about today, Gebby This headline
really grabbed me. Check this out. The most widespread use of augmented reality

(02:00):
isn't in gaming. It's the facefilters on social media, the result a
mass experiment on girls and young women. That really gave me pause. First
of all, you think of augmentedreality as video gaming, and that is
an enormous industry and growing all thetime. You know, my son works

(02:24):
in NFTs and web three and themetaverse and all of this, and I
think of augmented reality as his world, not the world that I have to
worry about for my granddaughter. Andyet a mass experiment on girls and young
women, so Initially, these arfilters were a joke, right, you

(02:47):
put dog ears on yourself for youmake a bunny face. They were gimmicky.
You could put a mustache on yourself. But today more and more young
people and especially teenage girls, areusing these filters in order to sharp and
shrink, enhance and recolor their facesand bodies. M Yeah, And you

(03:13):
know, it strikes me also thatit's the article says it's an experiment on
young girls. But I think it'salso important to think about you know,
we're speaking very head oronormatively here,but the minds in the very much in
the same way that in all thesestudies that have shown that porn has really
impacted not only how girls think they'resupposed to be perceiving and behaving during sex,

(03:39):
but also what boys the expectations boyshave of girls bodies. And you
know, it's easy to blame theboys, but I think that early exposure
to you know, in this case, in that case porn, but in
this case, you know, we'retalking with social media, which everybody's on

(04:00):
um. When when boys are seeingthis impossible to achieve version of perfection in
their in their female counterparts, it'sit's messing with their brains understanding of what
girls look like. Right in general, I read that boys use these filters

(04:23):
for fun. They're using them fora very different purpose. UM. And
you know it's it's it's like agame, it's a it's a joke.
UM in general. And of courseyou know we're making you know, gross
generalities here, but that um,girls in general, UM are using them

(04:45):
to look a certain way. Andthere are very specific ways that I mean
like lips being bigger, knows asbeing narrower. Obviously, pimples are not
there at all. Skin is perfect. It's interesting beauty filters which, as
you mentioned earlier, or only oneone kind, one family of filters.

(05:09):
Essentially what they are because I wonderedabout this our automated photo editing tools,
and what they do is they useartificial intelligence and something called computer vision to
detect facial features and then to changethem. Well, there there are a
couple of kinds. I actually learnedabout this recently and we just now with
this this huge influx of AI.There's this so for a long time,

(05:33):
it would be an overlay that wouldjust go over your face and would that
was just sort of generic and wouldgo you know, anybody could put it
over their face and it would justdo what it was going to do on
someone's face. But as you said, this new, this new AI thing
where it actually detects your personal featuresand then alters them is as far as

(05:57):
I understand, like pretty brand new, at least in terms of general consumption.
I think it's been used in moviesbefore. Yeah, it's this is
the computer vision interprets the thing thatthe camera sees, and then it tweaks
them according to rules that are setby the filter's creator, and those are

(06:17):
variable. So a computer detective faceand then overlays an invisible facial template that
has dozens of dots, creates akind of a topographic mesh, and once
that's been built, an entire universeof graphics can be attached to that mesh.
So that's how you change eye color, that's how you clear up complexion,

(06:41):
or in the case of younger girls, that's how you make yourself look
older, which is also something thatsome people are trying to do. Wow.
Interesting, So you have two youngdaughters. Is this terrifying to you?
You know, it's funny. Ithink a lot about the ways that

(07:01):
social media ebbs and flows, andI do think I'll be I'm not panicking
about it yet. I do thinkthat I'll be really interested to see where
social media is in a few years, because like, the thing that gives

(07:21):
me hope right now is, youknow, TikTok's full of problems. But
one thing that has been kind ofcool for me to see as somebody who
really really enjoys TikTok is that it'sso different from not only from Instagram,
but Instagram of like the mid twentytens up until really, I would say

(07:47):
the like around the time the pandemicstarted is kind of what gave this idea
of you having to look a certainperfect way a bad name. And there's
this trend right now where it feelslike on TikTok, being real, being
a real person is much more valued. However, almost every viral TikTok I

(08:13):
see does have some sort of abeauty filter on it. It's like it's
just second nature. It's just whatpeople do. It's like if they're gonna
talk to the world, they'd liketo have the smooth skin. So I'd
like to see that. I'd liketo see this. You know, Dove
is always saying, oh, youknow, women should come as they are,
and we love women of all shapes, sizes, and you know,

(08:35):
show off your wrinkles in your grayhair, but it sometimes kind of feels
like they're talking out of the sideof their mouth, both sides of their
mouth, and I kind of seethat in the beauty industry in general.
So I'd really like to see justa full on acceptance of you know,
wrinkles and all what people look like. But yeah, that was sort of

(08:58):
good answer. Go ahead. First, I want to say I'm doing my
part. Here are my wrinkles,I'm owning them. Here is here is
my gray hair. I own it. And of course, because of at
least the fact that Dove is attemptingto make this statement, I use their
products because I want to support thatabsolutely. Also, the smells really good.

(09:20):
But here's the thing, okay,two things. Thing. One,
have you spent any time around anymiddle school aged girls recently, not recently,
Now, brace yourself if you aregoing to do that, because this
selfie culture is absolutely over the top, this posing and you know, take

(09:41):
a picture of me here and letme take a selfie of me there,
and it's just absolutely pervasive. Andthe little pouty faces, the look.
It's not just a smile, it'sa pose. I mean we're talking numbers
that are really tough to wrap,at least my brain around Facebook and Instagram

(10:03):
alone. Check this one out claimthat over six hundred million people have used
at least one of their AR effectsassociated with their products. Snapchat says more
than ninety percent of young people inthe US, France and the UK use
their AR products. Now what doesthat tell us? What does it tell

(10:26):
us? I mean, yes,it's fun, it's a toy, but
I think it doesn't stop there.I think it really I know what it
was like to go through that ageand stage of life when we had none
of this. I mean we hadpolaroid cameras. That was the closest thing,
and not everybody had one. Andyou couldn't see much in those shots

(10:50):
anyway, because they were just sounsophisticated. You know, for those of
you older, I will say,meet the swing or polaroids. I know
there's at least two there are atleast two older women out there chuckling.
It was the commercial for the thepolaroid camera that everybody could have. Polaroid

(11:13):
swinger, that's what it was calledmade the Swinger, Polaroid Swinger perfect for
your key parties. Since that,well, you know, the first thing
I was thinking about was so therewas this there was this push over the
last kind of you know, aroundthe time when Doves started doing its thing,

(11:35):
when um magazines started to magazines andvarious brands started to come out and
announce we are no longer using photoshopon our or you know, using doing
photo editing on our pictures. AndI remember thinking at the time, it's
kind of like a little bit alittle a little too late, too little

(11:58):
too late, because everybody who grewup, every certainly everyone my age grew
up, we didn't have Instagram orsocial media at all, at least not
me I'm forty one, but Idid grow up with magazines, and that
was like, you know, weall read them, and the actresses and

(12:18):
models and musicians, anyone who wason the cover who we were supposed to
aspire to look like they were allphoto edited. And it's become a trend
in the last few years, aroundthe time when Dove first started doing this
thing, to say we are takinga stand and we are no longer gonna
gonna photoshop our models whether it's aclothing brand or you know, a magazine.

(12:45):
But I kind of felt like toolittle, too late, because this
idea already got planted into our minds, that smooth, perfectly proportioned, slender
all the right places around in theother right places like that if you weren't
that, you weren't okay, andit was inside of us in such a

(13:07):
pervasive way that then when social media, in some ways, I think millennials
were so primed to want to editthe way that they look, especially when
you know, I think Instagram waskind of the first place where where changing
the way you look using a filterbecame a thing, and now, of
course with a snapchat and TikTok it'sbecome so and then other apps like face

(13:30):
app, can't remember, there's abunch of other ones where you can really
very get very particular to edit yourself. And I actually know that there are
a lot of big celebrities will hireteams to edit their photos before putting them
online. Gabby, have you donethis? Have you gone on any of

(13:50):
these apps and tried to enhance yourappearance? I have not enhanced my appearance,
but I will tell you what Ihave used the app for very recently,
um, there was like a trendon TikTok where people were putting their
face through an app that showed whatyou would look like if you were a
different gender, and I put Evanthrough. I put Evan's picture in that

(14:13):
and sent it to him with nocontext. I didn't post it online,
but I sent it him with nocontext, and he was very confused.
But that's the most that I've reallydone with UM and and one time,
oh recently, I ran us throughthe old filter to show what we would
look like when we in like twentyfive or thirty years. So, but

(14:35):
other than that, I have Ican say, I can attest I have
not tried to change my face tomake it look more beautiful using an app.
But I about it. What aboutTHEO what about the zoom filter?
It's just it's merely the flick ofa switch. Right, you can just

(14:56):
enhance your appearance by one little settingchain. Oh you mean like the enhanced
the enhanced one. Oh, I'vedefinitely done that before. Okay, because
that I did that, I didthat, I don't I didn't even notice
a difference. But that probably ismore a testament to my eyes than thought.
Yeah, yeah, and I'm definitelynot doing the one about aging because

(15:18):
I kind of got a real goodpicture of what that's going to look.
And also twenty five to thirty yearsthat's too many years. So you know,
what I find so interesting about allthis is that we don't teach our
children about this. You know,when we when we warn kids about the

(15:41):
dangers of being online, we're talkingabout, you know, interacting with exactly
interacting with shady people. But wedon't talk about what it means to get
really hooked on filters. And thefact is these filters are a gateway drug

(16:03):
in a sense, to cosmetic surgery. Right well, our brains are probably
still adjusting to looking at ourselves sooften. I mean even hate it.
I hate it. Prior to selfiecameras and zoom, even using zoom,

(16:23):
you know, I every time Ihave a meeting with someone right now,
I'm looking at your face, butI'm also looking at my own face,
and it's hard not to think aboutwhat, you know, I do and
don't like about it. So priorto that, I didn't look at myself
except for when I was looking inthe mirror, you know, to get

(16:44):
ready in the morning and brush myteeth at night, and maybe checking my
teeth in the rear view mirror ofmy car every now and then, And
our brains are still adjusting to that. And it makes me think about the
way teenagers and preteens are like hoveringabove them selves all the time. Anyway
they're thinking about their sort of helicopterview of themselves won't turn off anyway.

(17:07):
And the idea that they're also lookingat themselves all the time, looking at
their peers all the time, andthen getting probably feedback from their peers all
the time about what they look like, even when it's positive. Getting positive
feedback about the way you look allthe time isn't good either. It makes
you feel overexposed and dependent on theopinions of other people in a really unhealthy

(17:33):
way. So we already know therewas a problem before we put these unbelievably
advanced tools, which used to beonly the purview of people who understood how
to use photoshop and everything else.Now we've put those tools, very very
sophisticated into the hands of anybody andeverybody, And what does that mean.

(17:59):
One of the things that has beenraised is that Instagram and Facebook have some
responsibility in this regard, and thereare very few regulations and restrictions on filter
used. Companies are encouraged to policethemselves and Facebook's features filters, for example,
are reviewed for certain issues like hatespeech or nudity, and users are

(18:22):
able to report filters, which thengets them manually reviewed. But then once
again, that's putting the onus onthe user rather than you know, taking
you know, proactive measures. Whothinks that Facebook and Instagram and which is
the same thing and you know,TikTok and snapdown. Who under the impression

(18:45):
that they care about the emotional wellbeing of you know, teenage girls or
whoever is being impacted by this.They know, they're smart, they know
that this kind of that these filtersare actually like compelling to people. It's
not like someone at the top isgoing to find out that this is actually

(19:07):
really problematic and then they're going tosay, oh, well, we sure
should take that off now. It'sI think we are really stuck in this
cycle where capitalism and business is andmoney is what is is what is guiding

(19:27):
the decisions of the people who putthese out speaking of capitalism and money.
Will be back right after this Meetthe Swinger, the incredible new Polaroid Land

(19:47):
camera from nineteen ninety five. Ittalks to you swing it up and take
a look, then turn the knobuntil it says yes, right and the
view finder okay, you've got theright setting. Ten seconds later you zip
off a perfect black and white picture. The swinger freezes action. It's always
in focus, and it gives youbeautiful close ups. Incredible, especially in

(20:11):
nineteen ninety five. Hey right,swing coat the swinging right more than a
swing it up, hanging the shot. Count it down off, Hey,

(20:33):
sir, right swing? See youthought I was kidding you about polar and
swinger. Oh no, no,it was a real thing. Okay,
back to filters. Clearly I havenone, but these filters that we're talking
about are the feature of the filtersthat enhance one's appearance. This is not
a new thing. The desire toenhance one's appearance goes back to the beginning

(20:56):
of time. It is something thathuman beings are wired to want to do.
What is different now are the tools. It isn't just about beads and
makeup. It's really about fundamentally changingour appearance. And you know, it

(21:17):
makes me think of a funny storymany many years ago, when I was
in my twenties, Brookshields, whowas a superstar but young at the time,
she was a good ten years youngerthan me, had a book come
out about beauty, and I wasinterviewing her on the radio. She was
a minor, so she came withher mom. You know, there's a
there's a documentary that just came outabout I can't I can't wait. I

(21:40):
have not seen it yet. Haveyou seen it? I haven't seen it,
No, but I can't wait,her mom, I can't wait for
real piece of work. You know. I brought my mom to the interview
as well, because what the heck? You know, what you know just
seemed like an idea, and mymom was so tickled to meet Brookshields.
But what I wanted to say isshe knew she was going to a radio

(22:00):
interview, so she did not lookone hundred percent perfect like she did in
all the pictures and on television andeverywhere else. I mean, she actually
had skin like a human being.And I remember being quite delighted, feeling
like like a Wizard of Oz whensomeone pulled back the curtain and you saw

(22:21):
what was really going on back there. I think I think there's a thrill
in seeing or knowing or reminding oneselfthat these you know, sculpt sculpted,
airbrushed beings are human and really don'tlook like that in real life. Well,

(22:41):
it makes me also think about youknow, part of what we're talking
about here is there is a difference. It's it's they're both tricky, but
there is a difference between seeing aperfect a picture of a perfect airbrushed you
know, I'm going to date myselfhere, but Crawford for example, and

(23:02):
comparing your thirteen year old self tothat, and even as you know,
a forty one year old who's prettyconfident in the way she looks. Uh,
the experience of I may not haveposted a lot of pictures of myself
with these beauty filters, but doesn'tmean that i've that I haven't gone to

(23:22):
see what I look like with OhI meant that's what I oh, oh
yeah, I look incredible. Ilook incredible. If I actually looked like
that, I'd be a real I'dbe I'd be a lot less nice.
Really, really, do you thinkthere's a correlation there? No, not

(23:45):
literally, But my point is thedifference between you know, I'm able to
remind myself that it's just a filter, but it is a really jarring experience
to It's not just seeing a pictureof somebody else who's job it is to
be gorgeous um versus oneself. It'sthis is perfect Gabby versus real Gabby,

(24:07):
and just knowing about those two Gabbysand knowing even if perfect Gabby only exists
in whatever the third dimension universe augmentedreality, they call it augmented. I
do not understand what your son does. It is. I don't understand it.

(24:29):
It's it's I think it is socool, and I also I don't
get it at all. But theworld of is it called the metaverse or
the metaverse? Just Facebook? Themetaverse is like a general thing. Oh
no, no, Facebook is meta? Metaverse is web web three point zero.

(24:49):
Listen to me, okay, likelike I know what I'm talking about.
It's a lie. Hey, Gabby, I must interrupt and say this.
For our social media, for thisepisode, do you think that we
should put filters on our faces andpost pictures? Oh yeah, oh yeah,
I'll I will. I will runour I will run the shot we

(25:12):
have. I'll run some pictures ofus through um some some filters and see
what I can do. Maybe wecould make you be thirty years older than
me. How cool would there be? I will I will provide our um
our followers with plenty of options.I cannot wait. This is so much

(25:36):
fun. But on a serious note, I do think um and especially as
someone who experienced eating disorders as ateenager, I do have grave concerns over
this notion of perfection of body andof face, and and really the slippery

(25:57):
slope that I think these filters present. I was encouraged to see. And
I know that you're a little bitmore skeptical of these big, huge companies
perhaps than I am. But theyare meeting with eating disorders organizations, and
they do have consultants on staff whoare keeping things from getting too far in

(26:21):
this direction or that they are absolutelyaware, not because they wanted to be,
but because thankfully, people who caredeeply about these issues are holding them
accountable and are confronting them. Andso there they are working on more products,
they say, to help reduce thepressure that people may feel on their

(26:44):
platforms. So you know, evenif it is a PR stunt, it
sounds like it's a better It's trendingin the right direction. The other thing,
though, is it's not just thebig companies. It's not just Facebook
and Snapchat and TikTok. The majorityof filters on Facebook's various products are created

(27:07):
by third party users. So here'san interesting one. In the first year
its tools were available, more thanfour hundred thousand creators released a total of
over one point two million different effects, and by September of twenty twenty,
more than one hundred and fifty creatoraccounts had each passed the milestone of a

(27:30):
billion views. So this is Imean, I keep going back to the
word pervasive. There you know,it's it's now just like breathing air.
It's now like everywhere you go inthe world, even if people don't have
clean water, they have a cellphone, they have filters too, And

(27:52):
what does that mean over time?And really I think mostly we want to
raise the questions. Oh this wasa good one. They are glad was
reading. Interviewed a couple of teengirls and they said, so, what
is an Instagram face? And withoutmissing a beat, this twelve year old
said, small nose, big eyes, clear skinned, big lips. Oh

(28:14):
my god, Gabby's eyes are poppingout of her head. You can't see
my eyes are big, my noseis not small. Big lips, yeah
wow. I mean obviously you seethat people are getting injections and their lips
now, I think it looks sobizarre. And big eyes, you know,
you see that all over the webnow, like unusually large eyes.

(28:38):
But I think people just look superdistorted. And while we're here, can
I just say one more thing?What is this thing that I notice definitely
more in southern California than in northernCalifornia, of women who are clearly doing
something to make their butts enormous.They just don't look like have you seen

(28:59):
this? Of course? Are youtalking about like a Brazilian butt lift?
Is that what it is? Idon't know. It's like like Nicki Minage
and you know, like these normousbutts and that you are, you are
Jerry Seinfeld. What is the dealwith these ladies and their big butts?
I don't get it either, Butum, it's I mean, look,

(29:23):
that's probably a longer conversation, youknow, the what has been. I
always thought it was weird the waythat body shapes trend um, like as
if somebody's body could possibly be atrend that's in Um, But you know,
there is of course, in thenineties Heroin Sheep, when being really

(29:45):
really raal thin and having a boyishbody was popular. There was a while
when our glass figures were popular obviouslybig boobs with you know, when when
porn um started to become our mainstreamUM and and I you know along with
It's complicated because the uh you know, the Kardashians are probably the ones who

(30:10):
who popularize this particular UM procedure withthe masses. But it's my understanding is
that it is a way of emulatingUM, African American women, UM,
you know who. It's it's likethis this weird sort of cultural appropriation of

(30:36):
of bodies UM that I don't know, I'm not really I'm not really sure
how to explain it exactly, butuh yeah, people want to make that
people want to change the shape oftheir bodies to look um, to look
like what's in right now. AndI don't know, I I might leap

(31:00):
about Plastic surgery has always been youknow, if it makes you happy and
you can afford it and it's nothurting anybody, go for it. And
at the same time, the idea, like we've been talking about this whole
episode that there's some sort of perfectbody that you can scold, you know,

(31:21):
and and create, you know,and if you can't do it in
real life, that you can doit online. It's really just sort of
terrifying. Well, I have twothings to say about that. You already
mentioned that these things go in trends. So I mean, to surgetically alter
your body and know that it's goingto be out of style in a couple
of years is pretty dark and strange. Yeah, And that that rail thin

(31:42):
a sexual body was what happened inthe sixties with Twiggy, and so clearly
these trends go and come and goand come. And I would also say
it's a hell of a lot tome less scary to alter your appearance in
an image online than it is toactually alter your body through a surgical procedure.

(32:09):
So the slippery slope effect and themore advanced these filters become, the
cosmetic surgery industry is noticing big upticks, so there absolutely is a correlation there.
So my final question, Gabby isif you could design a certain filter

(32:30):
to use for yourself, what wouldit be. Gosh, like a filter
are we talking about on social media? Or if I could just look different.
No, just social media. We'llkeep it to online. You know,
I don't know if there's one thatI would design that doesn't already exist.

(32:53):
But you know that was going tobe my answer. You took my
answer, which is the fact thatI haven't even played. I mean,
would I like to see what Ilook like older, younger, dark hair?
This? Yeah, but not enoughto figure out where it is and
how to do it. Apparently it'snot. I mean, yeah, I
could do that, right, Icould. Yeah. I think I think

(33:15):
that we're on the same page.I don't know if I could. I
don't know if there's one I wouldcommit to, you know, if there's
one that would be my permanent.You know, I've always one thing that
I'm always sort of too embarrassed touse, like a full on beauty filter
whenever I post anything of myself,because when you use one, it says,

(33:37):
like, you know, it saysbeauty filter, It says what the
beauty filter is, and it's kindof like announcing, which I think that
is more standard maybe for younger people, but for me, I would be
so self conscious. You know,I'm of the school of thought that if
I'm going to wear makeup. Idon't want people to come up to me
and compliment my makeup. I wantthem to just tell me that I look
pretty. So, you know,if there was some if there was some

(34:00):
filter, I guess that made itso that I didn't have to bother makeup
and also didn't announce the world thatI was wearing makeup. Maybe I'd be
interested in that, but I don'tknow if I'm exactly the right target audience.
So maybe we just keep on lookinglike ourselves and putting it out there
and seeing what people think. That'swhat's going to happen. And we may

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not be typical, but we're compatible, so that's good. Agreed. So,
Joanne, it's June finally, andthat means something very exciting is coming
very soon, which is that yourbook is out. It is very hard
to believe, but in fact itis true. I have a book launch
event in Marin County that everybody's invitedto, and then a whole series of

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events all over northern California and thena few in some other places Oregon,
possibly the Boston area. So Iwant to invite everyone to go on my
website and sign up for the newslettersso that they'll know about all these things
because I'm going to talk about iton this podcast on a regular basis.
And if you have not ordered,you should order Joanne's book. You can

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get it anywhere books are sold.It's called By Accident, a Memoir of
Letting Go, and it's fantastic.I have read it in multiple iterations and
I can tell you that it isjust fabulous. Everybody will love it.
And we finished the audiobook and ofcourse an ebook, all released at the

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same time. Amazing. So mywebsite is jo Anne jo A n N
E hyphen Green g R E ene dot com. Super simple and if
you scroll down you can sign upfor the newsletter. She's Gabby Moscow.
It's sim Joanne and we would loveto hear from you, Gab. You'll

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tell you all the ways you canfind us so you can hang out with
us on social media. We areon Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, and
YouTube at All the Actwords Pod.And we also use email because we are
very high checked. So you canemail us at All the Ffwords Pod at
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are. We would love to hearfrom you. Send us photos, yes,

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please, and have a great week. Bye bye bye