The Courageous Apostolic Woman

Breaking Barriers with Guest: Apostle Tonia Williams

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
That awakened me to ministry was the rescue.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm a PK kid. My mom has been preaching well
over thirty years, and I'm talking about my mom.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Was preaching when it was not really popular for women
to preach.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
And so.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Being a PK kid and being in church and around
God as a youth coming up, you know, and a
straying away from that, and when you stray away from that,
you know, I think sometimes our lives are harder.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Because we should know better, right.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
But for me, the call to ministry came in with
just being glad to be saved.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
The Lord, really, the Lord really snatched me up out
of the world before the world killed me.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
And so I didn't want to be a preacher.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
I just was glad to be saved and insane, you know,
and have a same mind just playing about being saved.
I was glad to just be at peace in my mind.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
And so I had no pursuits.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
I just wanted to be faithful to the church. I
wanted to serve the church. If you wanted somebody to
clean the church, I.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Was your person. If you needed somebody.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
To do the bathroom, you wanted somebody to do transportation,
I just.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Wanted to serve the House of God.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
And God started calling me to teach Sunday School and
to do this and to do that. And I never
really it was a whole battle between the Lord and I, but.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
I just wanted to be in church saved.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
But I didn't want to preach in the front or
you know, I just wanted to kind of hang out
in the back. But I think my first call to
awaken me to the call of ministry is servitude. I
started serving the House of God. That was my foundation.
My foundation has always been serving the place I'm planted.
And as I began to serve the House of God,

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the people of God, you know, the leaders of God,
God kind of ushered me into ministry.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Wow, reluctantly.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
And you know that seems to be a common theme
for many of us that are doing ministry, that it
was reluctantly yes, that we stepped in.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
So let's talk about the reluctance of.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
Ministry and some of the things that you've had to
face as you stepped in.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
Let's talk about the adversity.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
Did you face any opposition when you were stepping into
leadership as a woman, and if you had, can you
elaborate on some of the things that you experienced as
a woman standing in ministry.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
The adversity in ministry for me and I still encounter it, it's women.
I encounter women who wanted to put me in a.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
And wanted me to behave.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
A certain way, wanted me to move a certain way,
wanted me to preach a certain way.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
But it wasn't how God had designed me.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
And so I've always had a conflict.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
More so with women in ministry. I'm running into now
where I'm having some things going on with.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Men in ministry and being an apostle, but it's always
been women. Women have wanted to, you know, make me
a prophetesss instead of losing profit, and wanted to put
me in the box of a pastor's wife and first lady,
you know. And there's nothing wrong with those things in

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their places, but that's not what God called me to do.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
And so I encountered a.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Lot of women in ministry that wanted me to be
what they were, as unhappy as they were, that's what
they wanted me to be, and I just never that
never really takes it was I was never I never
fitted for that, and so I would always be that one.
It seems like that was disruptor. They'd always said it

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was causing problems. But my opposition mainly came through leadership.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Through jealousy.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Other women in ministry who didn't think I was qualified,
didn't think that I had what it took, you know,
wanted me to go through different types of initiation and hazing.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
And all of that.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
And so I thank God because where I came from,
I came out of the streets, and so over here
on this side, you know, over here on this side,
because see some of the stuff we tolerate on this side,
it would never have happened.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
You know.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
I had to really really train me to not fight,
not to fight, because I'm a fighter. I'm a warrior,
and I didn't understand why these women were so especially leadership,
because all I wanted was God. All I wanted to
do was be saved and serve God. But run into

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a lot of controlling women, a lot of women in
ministry that are manipulative, a lot of women that don't
have the courage to do what your call to do,
but they want to clip your wings before you actually
know who you are.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
I didn't know who I was.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
I didn't know that all of this was in here
and God had given me.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
All I didn't know.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
But you know, you're running to some leaders that will
be able to identify your call before you do, identify
the path that God may be taking you on before
you do.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
And that happened to me a lot in ministry, and
so I had.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
To always resist those water cut my legs off from
up under me, clip my wings, you know, or caused
me to.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Be in a place of stagnation.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
So I'm not a stranger to adversity when it comes
to ministry. I wish, I wish I couldn't. I wish
I didn't have to be the one to say.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
That, right right, that's my reality.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
I've had a lot of adversity in ministry with just
trying to obey God.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
So tell me how did you tell me?

Speaker 4 (06:11):
And tell us that are listening right, and we want
to also welcome all our podcasts.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
And audience that's listening on our.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
Podcast on today on iTunes, iHeartRadio, Spotify, Spreaker, all those
lovely places, and so tell our listeners and viewers, how
did you process that adversity and what was it?

Speaker 3 (06:33):
What were the lessons?

Speaker 4 (06:34):
What is the lesson that you got from that, From
those things, you know, I'm.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Still learning lessons from that one thing. I'll say honestly
and truthfully, that adversity caused me to be stuck for
about ten years, trapped in a pain of rejection and
abandonment and low self esteem and lack of confidence and

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not having that assurance of myself that I could do
what God was calling me to do, that I could be,
you know, because that I could preach the gospel of
Jesus Christ. And so I had to really go through
a lot of transformation and mind renewal.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
And it took me too long. Can I say it
like that? It took me too.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Long to shed that skin, to shed that adversity. It
took me too long to walk in the level of
love and forgiveness that I needed to. It took a
lot of lessons that I learned. Is that everything I see,
I don't have to say type of lessons. I had

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to learn how to write on my tongue because I
came out of the street, so I was a fighter.
I knew how to defend myself. I had to learn
how to not defend myself.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
I had to learn how to not to wait.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
On God, to trust God to vindicate me and fight
for me. I'm still learning that, and so I would
say that adversity it trapped me, and I realized in
hindsight that it was really the enemy trying to keep
me from coming into the knowledge that I have now
of who I am. And I tell you, I would

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just have to keep going to back to God, keep
going back to God.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
And God would just say, you have to let it go.
You just have to let it go. But I wanted
somebody to pay for that.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
I wanted somebody to be responsible, because it's easy to
suffer well when.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
You have done wrong.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Why you are guilty, when you have done something wrong,
you've made the wrong decision, consequences. I can accept all
of that, but it's a different type of suffering when
you have not done anything wrong. And to process that
as a bathing.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Prist, it's hard. Hard.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
That is when we are thankful that you came through
that adversity, Hollylujah, and it is what has allowed you
to be in the place of birthing out the things
that God has placed in your spirit. And so you know,
as you have come through the adversity and you've dealt
with some of the things that you know, people trying

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to silence you in.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Different things of that nature.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
I'm sure you had to find your own voice, you know,
to hear what God was saying to you. And so
how did you discern as you were walking into your
call and accepting your call?

Speaker 3 (09:25):
How did you discern.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
God's voice above all of the cultural voices, especially in
a day today where we have social media, we have
trending whatever right, we have all these things that are trending,
trending words, and you know, people tend to echo what
they hear. How did you get to the place that
you heard God above all of the other things that

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were being said in culture.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
For me, it's always been my relationship with God has
always been established on intimacy and prayer.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Prayer was the very first ministry.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
That I ever had. It was my first anything in God.
And so I've always been one who conversate with God.
And God always tell me stay under the noise, you know,
stay up under it, you know, you know, go low,
And I don't know, it's just something about it's such
something about the gift of discernment.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
That the Lord has given me.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
It may be popular, it may be trending and nobody
may see anything wrong with it, but God has caused
my spirit to either.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Be grieved or vexed or anything.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
And so I think for me, staying up under the
radar and staying out of the way and promoting the
culture of what is popular. I think for me, I
am a truth teller. That's just what it is.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
I have been passioned by God.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
To be a truth teller. I don't just tell people
the truth. I tell myself the truth. I tell those
that follow me and listen to me, get out your
feelings and let's get into truth.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
And so I think for me.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
The standard that keeps me grounded is God's word because
one thing about it, the culture will change, trending will change,
popularity will change, but one thing about it, the standard
of God's Word, it will never change.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
And that's my anchor. And that's what keeps me rooting.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
I love that. I love that, and I believe that
that is a.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
That is a an anchor for the women that are
listening today that maybe they're trying to find their sound,
you know, maybe they're trying to find their voice in
the spirit, and you know, understanding that it doesn't matter
what other people are saying, you have to stay true
to what God is revealing to you and what God
is speaking to you. You know, He didn't just call

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us to parrot what somebody else was saying or what
other people are saying. Right, And you know, God don't
have to have He doesn't have to copy what somebody
else is saying.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Now we understand.

Speaker 4 (11:59):
Been able to confirm something, but we definitely have to
be able to hear what God is saying. And so
that is so so good.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
So let's let's talk about Let's talk.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
About you know, getting above the voices, right, God shaping you,
God making you, God giving you the voice that you
know He wants to give you, and you having a
sound and you're rising above the culture. What role as
you have made your entry into your apostolic call, What
roles it spiritual mentoring or or spiritual mentors are covering

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play in your journey? What things have shaped you and
helped you to be able to you know, just unequivocally,
just be able to stand in the truth that God
has called you into.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
I can declare this here, My ladder is greater than
my beginning, Praise God, because my beginning was just it
was hard.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
It was hard.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
I ran into a lot of resistance adversity as I've
already covered, but it's in this last it's I call
it phase two. I'm in phase two of my apple
startic calling. And what I've come to understand is the
importance of covering and one of the things that the
Lord is teaching me because I've had pass pain from

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being dropped and so I had to go back before
God and I had to ask him a real honest question. Okay, God,
I have I have an apple, I have a spiritual father,
I have a spiritual mother, and I have voices that
I'm accountable to. And the Lord say, yes, you do,
he said.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
But you don't listen, my God, you don't listen. You
you don't listen. You want to do what you want
to do.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
You don't want to check with anybody, you don't want
to run, nothing to buy anybody.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
You just just you're doing what you want to do.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
So he told me, he said, you just want to
do what you want to do. And I'm not saying
God saying, I'm not saying what you want to do
is wrong. But I'm just saying the checks and balance,
because if we don't have checks and balances, which are
voices that.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Have wisdom, then we are not safe.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
And so God said, you just want to do what
you want to do.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
And I said, well, God, you know, I really just
doing what you're telling me to do.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
And he said, no, you're doing what you want to
do when you want to do it without anybody being able.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
To check it. Wow. And so I said, Okay, is
it pride or is it pain? Because I wanted to know.
I wanted to know what's thetability in my own decisions
and leaning to my own decision? Was that was that.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Pride or was that still a pain in me from
being dropped in previous times? There's a trust issue. There's
some barriers that still need to be healed, right, And
so God we're still working through that. But what I'm
but what I'm doing until God brings me to the
resolve of that, I'm checking in with my voice.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
That's one of the things I.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Would testify to is to you, Apostle fran I attended
your mentorship training about a month ago, maybe more. But
that mentorship program and those weeks set a fire in me.
It confronted me Jesus that mentorship class. It confronted me

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because I thought I was doing something.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
I thought I was working.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
I thought I was in the Kingdom and I'm building
like Neil Maya.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
I thought that I had it going on. But it
came in.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
It came to confront my comfortability. It came in and
confronted the places that I was hiding.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Out in called working for the ministry.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
And so what I say to mentorship and having that
accountability in the multitude of council their safety.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
And it's not just enough for us to have voices.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
That we can call and ask their opinion, but we
don't listen to the council that they give us, We're
a wasting time.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
And so was still.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
I appeared to be submitted. I appeared to surrender to
the voices that God has sent over my life. But
in reality and the truth, I was leaning to my
own understanding. I didn't listen to nobody's voice or ideas
are thoughts, but my own. And so God had to
come and slap me on the risk with that. And
so I say to us, don't ever get to the

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point where you'll fool yourself into thinking that. Well, I
can pick up the phone and call apostle friend, But
are you taking the advice.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Of apostle friend?

Speaker 1 (16:35):
You say you have a spiritual father, but are you
taking this and putting in his hands and say, Father,
can this is what God has given me? Can you
tell me this is what God has given me? This
is what God is saying. What do you hear God
saying about? That's that's that level of submitting and trust
that has to be established in the relationships that we
call covering and mentorship. And without trust, you cannot be

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believe disciple or mentor, and you will not submit to
your spiritual authority or your spiritual leaders without it.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
I just want to scream, I want to holler, I
want to run, I want to flip the table over.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
Jesus listen.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
I think first of all, y'all need to hear this
is this is an apostle talking to you, right.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
This is not somebody who just got saved.

Speaker 4 (17:26):
This is a great woman of God who is a
trailblazer mentor right, who has her own ministry, who is
giving us pointers on how we could be successful in
doing what God has called us to do? Can you
elaborate a little bit on that? Just spend a minute
or two into that. You know, why do we need

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to what's the important? What's so urgent about following these voices?
If we coming to listen to instruction or get advice
and then we're not following it, what's the urgency in that?

Speaker 2 (17:58):
The urgency is in life or day. It's life or death.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
For the ministry, it's life or death, for the for
the sheep that you shepherd, it's life or death. For
even what you're building and establishing in the.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Name of God.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
God is not going to give us a blueprint and
a pattern and we don't have to be called.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
To a community to help us support it. Jesus had
a call to ministry, but he.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Needed twelve men to support it. And so it's a
danger to be a lone ranger. And I understand, and
I know that we feel like it's me, my fault
and no more no because sometimes your four don't have
what does not have the capacity to help you carry
what it is. And another thing, when we're talking about
our four and no more, those are yes. Mend everything

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you say.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
They say yes to everything you.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Want to do, and there's no real counsel, there's no
real wisdom. And if we don't bind wisdom about our
next and where ornaments, we will be blind in a
ditch listening to the yes man with old pasta, I
think that's a good idea. Oh yeah, pasta, I dream
that and I think that is something that you ought
to do. But we need those Nathans in our life
that we'll say, hey, yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
That sounds like a good idea, go ahead and do it.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
But before you can leave the gate, you got to
go back and say, no, that's not what God said
for you. And that's the danger. We are in a time.
We are in a time right now that's so sensitive
to the moving of God that we don't have time
to miscalculate steps. We don't have time to invest into
people who can't tell us the truth. We don't have
time to have people in our atmosphere and in our

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surroundings that can't stand up to us and say.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Pasta, you wrong post, that's not the right way to
go God.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
I don't hear God saying that for you. And so
it's a danger to me and that flatter you.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Latterie.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
You know, the Lord told me, he said to me,
he said, be aware of those that flatter you.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
He said because fluttering lips lie.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Come on, come on.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
That accountability to me is so important. It's so important
to me because it keeps me humble. It keeps me
from being self righteous, it keeps me from thinking I
know everything, and it keeps me in a place of
humility that I.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Have to ask for help. Jesus, when you are, when
you're the apostle, you're the one with the blueprint, You're
the one with the you know, you're the one with
the instructions from God. You hear from God. We think
sometimes that we.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Don't have to you know that we don't have to
include anyone else's I believe that's the most dangerous thing
that we can do in this day and time, is
to walk and build and establish anything without wisdom.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Come on, come on, and wisdom can be found in me.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
And that's why he says, there's safety in the multitude
of our counselors. And our counselors can't Can I say
this to apostle, Our counsel can't be.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Who we pick has to be the one that we
hear God in their mouth.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
And we let them in to have a voice in
the place of God, in the space.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
That God has called us to dest need help.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Us cannot be identified by you, They can't be identified
by me. They are sent by God to distrain the
force of God in them. It's not building our own
keeping together, our own teachers, because that's what some of
us are doing.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
This is so rich, This is so rich, and this
is so good because these are the realities right of
us being able to be successful. Because let's define success.
Sometimes we think success is about numbers, but it's not
in the numbers. It's really in our obedience that success.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
Can you obey God?

Speaker 4 (21:53):
Can you obey those that got a place in your life?
And none of us can be success will by ourselves.
This thing here, what you're saying, you know what I'm
saying about this lone ranger that needs to be a
T shirt.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Okay, have a T shirt.

Speaker 4 (22:10):
Okay, it's a danger to be a lone ranger. Honey, listen,
we got to learn how to take this word. We
gotta take this and understand that you know, we cannot
do this by ourselves. We say we want people to
help us. But the things that you were talking about
you being real, You not sugarcoat, and you not you know,

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you know, sometimes people are coming you. I tell myself
the truth. But the truth don't never hurt you, right,
you know. But to be honest and share this. I
think that this is a powerful thing because we need
to know that in order for us to be successful,
we got to be able to be be transparent. We
gotta be honest, we gotta be real. If you're not

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gonna be real with nobody else, can you be real
with yourself?

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Can you be real with yourself?

Speaker 4 (23:01):
This is so good and these ladies is eating up
this word.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
Oh my god, listen, I didn't say that.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
Apostle Tonia said that it's a danger to be a
lone ranger.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
Listen to that's a T shirt, a promise, that's a
T shirt. We needn't put that on a T shirt.
Mighty God, because this is an hour where.

Speaker 4 (23:24):
People can build their own platforms, you know, this is
an hour where people can just I'm gonna go on Facebook,
I'm gonna go on TikTok, and we let the applause
make us think.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
That that means that God is pleased.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
That's horrible, and so for us to be able to
have sound voices in our ears that are not enamored
with our person that don't care about how annoying we
are and how good we could prophesy and how we
could preach somebody under the table. None of that matters,
especially if we do not submit to the instruction, you know.

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And we're gonna pivot into our next set of questions.
But one of the things that I develop, and I
learned this from my spiritual mother, you know, And this
has been a mantra for me, and it is a rule.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
I have a three meeting maximum.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
If I meet with you three times over something and
you not following my instruction, I'm not talking no more.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
I'm not talking no more. I'm not saying it no more.

Speaker 4 (24:32):
I'm not wasting my time because if you're not listening
to God, I know you not listening to me while
I'm wasting my time.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Absolutely for what reason.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
And it takes courage.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
Just why this is the courageous Apostolic woman, Because it
takes courage to make the decision.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
That I'm gonna shut up, absolutely right.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
Because we come from a culture that chases people down,
try to make them follow.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
We're not gonna make you follow. This is so good,
this is so good.

Speaker 4 (24:59):
So I want to I want to pivot into this
next question, you know, So how do you respond knowing
all of these things right, you know, coming to terms
with what God is saying to you, you know, telling
yourself the truth, you know, knowing that He has called you,
he has anointed you, he has positioned you. Right now,

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how do you respond to those voices that are questioning
you as an apostolic woman? Can God call an apostle
as a woman?

Speaker 3 (25:34):
Right? How do you respond to the question.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Indirectly? I don't directly. I show you. I just let
you see me work. I let you see me work.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
One thing about it is this, I am so unapologetic
in this apostolic call right now. You should have kept
you should have kept me back five years ago.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
But since you didn't, I'm here now. And so I'm
so unapologeticness right here. And and I don't ask permission
for the places that God has opened up gods for
me to go into.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
And so I may be a one hit wonder because
I know once I go in there, I may not
ever get the opportunity to go back.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Right. And so you're gonna hear God.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
When I open my mouth, I feel the presence and
the fire of the Holy Ghost. When I'm come, and
I deliver the word of the Lord.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
And so sometimes I.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Don't waste my time with the indirect of the direct.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
I just let what God has put in me come
out of me. And sometimes that's my greatest response to
men and even some.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Women that think that you know it, don't take all
of that. And you know, you, you know, you're just
so loud, you know, and you just you know, you're
just so passionate, and you yes, I am, I am, Yes,
i am.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
I'm not quiet. I'm very passionate about God. And guess
that's what this zeal is according to knowledge.

Speaker 4 (27:03):
Yes, yes, So I don't come down to answer that
I don't come.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
But I'm seeing more and more and more as God
turns up the fire of the.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Oil that's on my life, that I make some men uncomfortable.
And that's not my.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
Problem, not the problem.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
That's not my problem.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
It used to be a concern, but like I said,
that's not my problem.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
That's your insecurity. You handle that.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
And so I just refuse in this apostolic call as
an apostle to be small because you think small, I
refuse as an apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ, God
to bring my fire down because you nervous and you insecure,
because you don't have the.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Confidence that you need to walk goally with me.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
You can come with me, You can come with me
and I and I welcome you to do that. But
don't expect me to stop because you want me to
stay small.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
I'm not gonna do that. I will. I refuse to shrink.
I refuse to be apologetic. I'ma call him God, That's
all my life. And I refuse to not give God
a voice where He's send me. And So for those
that don't think a woman should be an impossible. For
those that don't think that, keep reading your Bible. Keep reading.

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You just haven't gotten to the good part yet.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
Oh my God, thanking Jesus. I love it. Listen to me.

Speaker 4 (28:29):
This is this is so powerful, This is so good,
and this conversation is rich. This conversation is empowering. And
I know that the women of God because I'm looking
at these comments and I know somebody is in their
house yelling and screaming and cutting up right about now,
because this word is speaking and it's touching home.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
I want to take a.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
Quick minute right here because we are mid broadcast right here.
So I want to take a quick minute because I
want you to get yourselves together and take a deep breath.
Were not finished with our questions yet, and Apostle Tonia
still have some things to be able to share with us.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
But I want to take a moment to.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
Share with our viewers that are watching that we have
a special community that continues the work of empowering women.
This is important for us to be able to do
this right. That this is not a one of This
is something that is necessary, especially because I'm even in
our world today.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
If any of y'all watch the broadcast about what.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
Was taking place with all those generals coming together, they're
trying to turn the clock back. They're trying to turn
the They're trying to turn the clock. When I say,
I ain't talking about daylight saving time either, They're trying
to turn the clock back on time. And so we
have a community which is a deeper company, right, And
this is where this has been birthed out of. And

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so if you want to be a part of a
thriving community of women that you know that are seeking
after God, that want to be able to do the
will of God, that are looking to be able to
fulfill their assignment. If you're a woman in leadership, if
you're a woman in ministry or a business, you could
be in anything, okay, and you you desire to grow

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in your apostolic and in your prophetic grace, that this.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Is the place for you. I want to encourage you
and invite you to join our Facebook group.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
It is the Debra Company Apostolic Women working Together. Why
because we can't do it by ourselves, right, we cannot
do it by ourselves. This is a rant, a vibrant
place where the women are coming together to be equipped, to.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
Be prayed for and to be strengthened to walk in
their call with power and grace.

Speaker 4 (30:40):
So you know you it's it's a if you desired,
you just write it into comments because the group is hidden.
And I did it on purpose because I wasn't trying
to just have any and everybody in the group, because
we're not trying to blow up, We're not trying.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
To be anything that we don't need to be.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
Right, All you got to do is send us, send
me a message, let me know that you want to join,
and we would love to be able to have you
and listen while you are online. I want you to
take a minute and go run on over to Amazon
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I want you to explore some of the collection of
books that I have written that are going to empower you.

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We have Girl Get a Grip, which is a woman's
god to surviving adversity. That's a book and a workbook.
So if you're going through adversity, I want to get
you in there. Then there's the Girl Get a Grip
Women's Coaching and Ministry edition. I want you to get
into that. Then we just finished publishing Call to Speak.
If you think that God has called you to speak,
I want you to take take a minute, go get

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the book. Go on Amazon dot com and get the
book for yourself, get it for somebody that you know.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
It's called to Speak.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
And then we just released last month The Office of
the Prophet, and so that.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
Book is going to be it's on it's not going
to be.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
It is on Amazon dot com and you can get
a copy at Amazon. You can contact me if you
need a copy for yourself. I want you to get
this in your hand. Why because we need resources so
that we will be able to fulfill the assignment that
the Lord has called us to fulfill. Amen, and so

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we want to thank God for that. I just want
to make sure that we took that moment to share those.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
Resources with you.

Speaker 4 (32:18):
This is our commercial break. That's what it was, Okay,
our little commercial breaking.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
So Amen.

Speaker 4 (32:24):
We want to keep going with our conversation on tonight
with Apostle Tonia.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
Amen.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
And I want her to answer some more questions because
we got we got quite a few questions left that
we need to cover. And I want her to be
able to share with each of you that are listening
right so that you can receive you and you might
need to get you a notebook and take notes on
tonight because she dropping some nuggets here on tonight.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
So can you.

Speaker 4 (32:51):
Share with us, Apostle a testimony where you had to break.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
Through, you know, through you had to break through resistance
and or for you to obey God?

Speaker 4 (33:01):
What like did God give you instruction and maybe people
weren't receptive to what he was telling you to do?
How did you break through the resistance to obey God?

Speaker 1 (33:15):
I would share when I was my husband's assistant pastor
in the church. We served this church probably about fourteen
and a half almost fifteen years. My husband was an assistant pastor,
and God was grooming me for the Apostolic and I

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didn't know what this language and all of these different
things that God was saying to me. And because I
didn't hear anyone talking about it, I didn't hear this language,
not in my church, and I didn't hear anybody else
talking about it. I was just hearing it in my
prayer closet and my time alone with God, and I
was just writing everything down. And God boredom with church.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
A lot of people don't want to talk about being
bored in church, but I was bored in church, and
I was bored.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
With all of the religious and legalistic.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Things that some churches are still in.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
And so the adversity came with that transitioning out because
God was telling me because say, I'm married, I've been
there to a wonderful man for twenty four years. But
my husband is assistant pastor.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
He you know, he loves his position, what he's doing.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
You know, you know, this is his, this is his,
this is our church.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
And so it was time to go.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
And I knew it was time to go, and I
was dying, and I was like Lord, don't let me
die in this church. The Lord was in extreme because
the Word was always wealthy.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
And so I was.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
Being sustained spiritually by the world of God. But everything
else it was like, Oh, my goodness, just like chaff, just.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Just blow away.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Well, God, start giving me language and training center, and
I want you to create a training center. I want
you to take him back to the classroom, start talking
to me about the stipleship and all of this stuff.
And I didn't know what to do with it until
God said, I'm gonna pull you out of this church.
I said, well, God, if you're gonna pull us out

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of this church, you're gonna have to tell my husband.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
Right why.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
I can't tell him.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
He's not gonna listen to me because this effects what
his call is, you know.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
So I just still over here taking my notes.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
But the Lord was, he was, He was birth in
the language of the Apostolic in me.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
He was giving me a training center, he was giving
me a ministry. And the adversity comes for me.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
It came in my you know, to my marriage because
we had to be on one accord. We had to,
you know, and so I had to wait on God
to do some things.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
That my mouth thought they could do. Right. You know,
I wanted to.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
I wanted you know, we were speaking two different languages
at that time, my husband and I were not speaking
the same languages, and so I had to hush and
I had to let God do it. And eventually God
did release them. It was in my husband's spirit.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
But you know what, I had a call from God.
Let me deal with this right here.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
Yes, yes, I had a call from God, and I
knew God was calling me. But one thing about it
is God would never use ministry.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
To desdraw a marriage. He is not going to give.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
You ministry and cause that ministry.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
To bring a wedge between you and your husband.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
And and and so if the wedge is there, something
was done wrong. And so when it was a conflict,
I had to get silenced because I was doing something wrong.
I knew, I heard from God. I knew what God was.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Saying, and I could have stood on that. I couldn't
have because he told me. But I had to humble
myself and let God.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Do what he needed to do with my husband so
that we could both walk away to.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Do what God called us to do together. And so
that was one of.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
The hardest things that I had to face in ministry,
you know, from the time that I first came into ministry.
The second part of the adversity was I had to
start ministry in my house. I had to take all
my furniture out my house. Come on and talk about it.
They create a classroom, Come on. Another adversity. My husband

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is very private. My husband is He like his space.
He doesn't like a lot of people all in this area.
And so I had to wait on God to even
work those things out for me and have those conversations
with my husband and speak to his heart so.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
That we could get moving and do what God says.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
Doing so, you know, and the adversity was my whole
life flipped upside down trying to create and build what
God said, and I had to give.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
God my house.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
I need you to I need you to talk about
that because it's two things I want you to talk about.
I want you back up just a little bit, because
there's a wisdom in waiting, a wisdom and execution right
in the thing that God was speaking to you and
the thing that the Lord has spoken to you, right
And it seemed like everything that He was asking you

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to do, you was having to wait for your husband
to get to that place and transition.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
To be receptive to what you had to do.

Speaker 4 (38:50):
So let's talk to these women who may not know
how to navigate that area.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
To navigate that area is just it's listen, it's hard.
I'm not even gonna dress that thing up. I'm not
gonna put a bow on it and make you think
that you're gonna slide on a banana pill ease z Street.
It's very very hard, and it was very very.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Challenging to wait on God. And you know, because you say, well, God,
I don't want to disobey you.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
And then it's just understanding that ministry. Your ministry will
only be as strong as the marriage. And so God
is not gonna disrupt your marriage because he called you
to be an apostle.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Don't let pride fool you, and don't you get.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Ahead of the word of God. Yes you have a word,
Yes you have a word from God. Yes you have instruction.
But if God has joined you to a man, or
if God has joined you to a woman, then that is.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
A set time for that.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
And so I had to wait on God to work
out the issues in my husband's heart. Yes, because I
was coming across as bossy. Come on, I was coming
across as I'm trying to tell him what the do
you know?

Speaker 2 (40:01):
All that you know? And and to be honest, when
God gave me the ministry, I tried to give it
to my husband because guess what, God can pull.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
You out of religion and legalism, but you can come
out with a mindset that it has to be done.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Through a man.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
And so even though I knew that God was calling
me to do something greater and bigger than I was,
I still was.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Trying to give him the vision you do it and
I'm gonna help you do it.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
But he didn't have the passion for it and he
didn't have the zeal. And so I'm upset because you're
not moving.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
I'm giving you everything you need to move and to
do it. And God said, I didn't give it to him,
come on, And so I know it has to be
many women. We're trying to get our husband to do it.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
We're trying to get him to be the head in
the ministry or we have left him.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
Come on, God, WoT that.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
That's not the will of God. And if you, if
you are like.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Me, I was result driven, I'm gonna obey God.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
You know that was my mindset. If you're not gonna
obey God, that's gonna be you. But I had to
be humble because God is saying to me, I didn't
give you that to break up your home. I didn't
give you this to be separated from your husband.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
And so I had to wait on God because guess
what what I forgot was that I.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Had already had four years of preparation.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
I'm springing this on him and he didn't even have
thirty days, and I'm looking.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
For him to move because you know, as apostles me,
I'm result driven. I'm not wasting time fruit what we.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
Got, what we're working with, what we're doing, we don't
have time to waste. And so the adversity would really
the adversity in establishing the training center in our home.
It challenged us, It challenged the marriage, It challenged the relationship.
And when God put us out of the church, he
specifically said, you're not going to join no church. You're

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gonna sit here until I tell you to build, and
you're gonna strengthen this marriage.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Because, as I.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Stated, if you're building ministry, yes, and your marriage is weak,
your ministry will be weak and it will full every time, absolutely,
every time adversity comes, every time a challenge comes, every
time we.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Hit a brick wall.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
That's what Without that unity, God is not in the
midst of it. I don't care what you're saying, what
you're gonna feel. I'm telling you from my own experience.
I wasted too much time trying to dictate.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
Come on, come on.

Speaker 4 (42:40):
And talk about this because I think that I think
that what has happened is that we don't understand that
as women of God zealous to do the work of
the Lord, that there is a work that God is
doing in you. And so that that pushes me into
the next question that is so connected to this. How

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do you balance boldness and humility? Because you know you
got to balance that, because you got it. How can
you run into the work for ministry but.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
You haven't allowed God to.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
Break your will, you haven't allowed God to deal with
you so that you can walk in that place of
humility to be able to fulfill the assignment. It's not
about barking orders. So so how do you balance that?
Share that with the women on tonight? How do you

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balance boldness with humility in your leadership, you know, because
when you come home, you know, and I don't know
about nobody else, but when I go home, I'm not
apostle friend. Unless my husband is trash talking and he's
you know, being silly, you know what I'm saying, Then
it's doctor friend, and it's a postile friend.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
But any other time is frying. Okay, all right, So
you have to be able to balance that. So how
do you bring all of that together?

Speaker 4 (44:08):
Because I know that us being able to walk in
our calling, the challenge is going to come to your relationship.
But you got to navigate, well, So how can they
navigate through that with humility and still be the woman
that God has called him to be?

Speaker 1 (44:27):
You navigate because you got to switch the hats. And
I had to learn you are not the apostle all
the time.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
You are not the apostle all the time. The Apostle
is not on.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
And so because of the calling and the framework and
the function of an app as an Apostolic woman, you know,
you can forget about your soft.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Girl era, right, we don't forget about the soft girl era,
you know, And so the.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Humility is the soft girl era. I'm not his, I'm
not the apostle because he didn't marry an apostle, he
married Tonia.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
And so I had to learn.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
How to sit that apostle and shut that off and
shut that down and not bring that into this.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Relationship, marriage, covenant, ministry and all of that, because here
it's his leading I follow.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
And so I had to learn that sit down, just
sit down, girl, stop, don't talk.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
You know what, I just have to be. I just
have to be honest like that.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
In a boss.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
I had to have many days, girl hush, just talk.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
To myself and be like, girl, just hush.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
You know that man don't want to hear the preacher
all the time. And so I was so driven with
trying to be and do everything that God called me
to do that I was forsaken the ministry of marriage right.
And so the worst thing that I could do, or
we could do, as wimen, is make our.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Husband compete with the assignment.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
That's the worst thing that we could do is have
the husband competing with your prayer closet because you're there
wrapped in a cloth in a shower and he wants
you to.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Watch football with him. You know, that's one of the
worst things. And so to bring that balance between and humility.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
That boldness and humility is just checking yourself at the door.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Just leave it and be the a into your soft
girl era.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
You know, because I'm gonna tell you something aboustor I
say this, I.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Say this not I got the damsel in the stress
on lock right now. Can you help me? I need
you to Can you do this for me? I just
need help?

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Come boy.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Yeah, I have learned my soft girl era, and I'm
telling you I'm mastering that damsel in distress because I
want him to feel and know that I need him.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
Come Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
I strong in ministry.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Yeah, I'm strong in anything that's God centered.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
I am a forced to reckon, come on, come on.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
But I want my husband to feel needed. I want
him to know that I need him, that I can't
do this without him.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
And I don't want to come on.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
And there's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 4 (47:16):
Want listen and this was this was this is good
because that's sometimes I'm grabbing myself out the car and
bringing into the house and my husband said, why you
didn't come in and asked me to help you bring
that in? He said, that's what you got a husband for.
I'd be like, oh, okay, thank you. Okay, that's what
I got a husband for.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (47:37):
And and they do need to be needed. So there's
got to be a balance. You gotta bring the balance
and you don't always have to be strong and wrong
all the time, wrong and wrong all the time. And
that is so good because we got a balance. You

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gotta we gotta balance that. And so for some the
ladies who are not married, what would you say to them?
I know this is off script right here, but we're
talking about boldness and humility and balancing that. Those that
are waiting for their husbands, they want to be married,
but they don't know how to be soft.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
What what do you What do you say to them?

Speaker 1 (48:17):
What I would say to them is link yourselves up
with other women who are going in the way that
you want to go. Don't don't make your circle just
you don't just keep your circle with just single, but.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Add some married women in.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
There so that you can start receiving some of that,
especially if you desire to be a wife.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
If you desire to be a wife and.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
You're single right now, I say, include some married women
in your in your circle. You know, get to some
mentors or maybe you know a spiritual mom because I
tell you every every roof.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Needs on naowming.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
The bile tells us that we are to have the
age mature women to teach us younger women and how
to be women, and not just women but wives also.
And so if you're looking to do ministry or you're
currently doing ministry and you're looking for to be found,
then I would say definitely open you know, and large

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your tent and write some more women in that are
married that has longevity. I'm talking about women with ten
more years of marriage and plus even a woman that's
been married for two years can still tell you something,
even if they tell you what not to do. You know,
any merrit advice and that I would say that what
I That's what I would suggest that you do, especially

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if you're in ministry currently and you're waiting to be found.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
I love that is that is so good. Listen, are
y'all receiving tonight?

Speaker 3 (49:43):
Y'all better be receiving.

Speaker 4 (49:44):
You cannot walk away from here tonight with any excuses
and say that you didn't get any good counsel wisdom
information and they're like, no, we not finished. I got
a couple more questions for Apostle. But I'm just saying
I mean, because these are things that we have to.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
Be able to talk about. And I think that even.

Speaker 4 (50:06):
When you were talking about, you know, us being strong,
us being whatever, sometimes that strength gets in the way
of you being able. You pray for the marriage, you
ask for the husband, but you don't know how to
receive from the husband, you know. So we gotta work
on that, lady. We got to We gotta make room

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for the thing that we are asking God for, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
So this is amazing.

Speaker 4 (50:35):
Look at if they are receiving and we give God
praise for all that is being imparted on tonight.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
These ladies are reuss.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
We are thanking God for you on tonight, Apostle, because
you dropping nuggets over here. So so what do you
what would you say to women who are you know,
maybe they are younger women, maybe they are middle aged women,
just women in general right and the feeling the call
of God on their life, But they are afraid of

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the barriers.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
They are afraid.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
Of what if the challenge does come to my marriage,
What if the challenge does come to my family? What
if God is telling me that I got to have
service in my house. If my husband don't want me
to have service in my house, how do I handle
the barriers of insecurity. Maybe I'm at a place where,

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like when you were talking about, you didn't have the
language for what things God was speaking to you.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
You just knew that there was a call.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
And maybe they're trying to get their husband to do
what God is telling them to do.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
What would you say to them.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
They're feeling the call, but they're also feeling the barriers,
and they're afraid of the barriers. What advice would you
give to them?

Speaker 2 (51:47):
The advice that I would give.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Being in that same position myself, is pray more, talk less.
That's one of the first things that I would say.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
And I made the biggest mistakes.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
I was talking too much right, and so a lot
of damage was done and so that had to be
addressed and cleaned up. Unfortunately it had to be cleaned
up while the ministry is still going forward, and so
some things will openly had to be dealt with. And
so if you will hear anything else that I have
to say to you tonight, if you feel the call

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of God, and you feel like God is calling you
to any facet of ministry, whether he's calling you to
start ministry, or he's calling you to start a Bible
club or Bible study in the home, a prayer meeting
in the home, anything like that. I say, begin to
get the language and begin to start having those conversations
with your spouse or with your husband. Understand this right here,

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The gospel of Jesus Christ is not popular, and to
be a carrier of the Cross, it is confrontational. And
so you have to understand that off the rep that
this right here is not easy, but it's do and
so you have to have the full understanding of what
you're getting yourself into. And I strongly believe this right here.

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I don't believe that God is gonna call you and
you separate from your spouse. I just don't believe that.
I could be wrong, but I don't believe that. And
so there has to be sometimes we have to wait
on God to do the work. There are prophecies, there
are promises, there are calls, there are signments given by God.
But when your life is connected to one or more component,

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we have to be patient and trust God, knowing that
he will visit each one of those things that's connected
to you so that you can fulfill his assignment and
fulfill the will of God concerning your life. There will
be boundaries, there will be burriers in any walk of life,
not just ministruy, but even in the marketplace.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
And so what I say to us as.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
Women who are trying to answer God, who are trying
to obey God. And we may have a spouse that's
not sanctified, I say, sanctify him. You may have that
spouse that don't want the people coming in the house.
Then you have to wait to plant that and let
God have his full work. And it comes down to
trusting God to do the work, because He's going to

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be the one to really do it.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
He just needs you to wait and be available.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
But I can tell you this as a woman who
has walked this out and have the scars to show
you that it is not worth it to get ahead
of God. It's not worth it to put your marriage
on the block, to put your marriage as secondary, to.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Put your husband as secondary because you're.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
Trying to obey God. It's not the will of God
is out of order. And we can have the call
of God and we can be called the apostle the evangelists,
the prophet, the teacher, or the pastor.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
It does not matter.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
God is not coming to bring a separation between the
marriage and the ministry.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
They work hand in hand.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
And so if you are and if you're dating and
you're thinking.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
About marriage, when you got a call on your life.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
You may want to start having these conversations with that,
with that person now so they'll have a say in this.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
This is what they signed up for.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
And so I say to this right here, we have
to be we have to be those that's willing to
trust God in that in that.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Call and not get ahead.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
Of God or not be you know, not be those
women that's trying to create it and make it happen.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Because I was one that was. I was that Proverbs
fourteen and one.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
But I was the foolish one at that time, and
I was turning down my house, calling myself building God
a house.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
And I was way out of order.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
And so I say to you, have those conversations with
the person that you're connected to, the ones that you
do life with, the ones that you share life with,
have those conversations.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Yes, the call of.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
God is important, Yes, the marriage is important. All of
it matters all of it is important, but you want
to use wisdom.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
And another thing I.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Say, you deal with people who are doing what you're
trying to do. I would not get away from how
important it is to have the community. We need your community.
We have so many women who have already did or
already doing what we're trying to do. And if I
would have had wisdom, I would have tried to find

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me somebody to help me. But I didn't find anybody
to help me, and so that's why I crashed and burned.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
So I'm telling you tonight, link.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Yourself up with somebody that's trying to do what you're
trying to do. Somebody that can use some insights, somebody
that can point out the land minds or being an Alpacolic.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Woman, somebody that can tell you don't go that way because.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
That's a land mine, gonna blow your pieces, blow your children.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
To pieces, or blow your master pieces.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
And so my advice is to take to link yourself
up with somebody who is trying to do what you're
who's doing what you're trying to do, so they'll be
able to help you navigate those trying, trying, trying seasons.

Speaker 4 (56:50):
And it is a try and try and seed it.
And one of the things that I found out is
that God will have you walking through, suffering through, enduring through,
because the Apostolic call is a death walk.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
It is.

Speaker 4 (57:06):
And if you're not ready to die, you not ready
for this answer. And these are the facts. You have
shared so much great advice with us. This is my
final question, and then we're going to make some space
because I want you to just forget about the questions.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
And just run for a minute.

Speaker 4 (57:24):
So, in what ways do you think that the church
is shifting right now in the time and in the
season that we're in to be able to embrace the
Apostolic woman. I know that we sell face challenges, but
what ways do you see the church shifting or do
you see the church shifting in a way to be
able to accept Apostolic women in this hour?

Speaker 1 (57:47):
This is one of the questions that I really really pondered.
I really really pondered, because it depends on which church
you're looking at. But what I will say to this
question is is you see more Apostolic women, not just apostles,

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but you see a lot of Apostolic women being that
are rising up.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
And it's not.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
Necessarily what they're doing, But it's about what they're saying.
And one thing that I correlate to what goes on
in the spirit when it comes when you have an
entire military branch talking.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
To a room full of leaders.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
You know you see this, you know because I've been
watching that chauvinistic type thinking.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
For a while.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
But when you see when you see an onslaughter attack
against a gender in such a.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Way, that is a that is a that is a
full that is a thumbprint to tell you that we
are rising. When you see you're attack against me at.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
The multitude and at the level of this attack, then.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
You can see in the spirit the rise.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
Of Apostolic women, Prothetic women, the rise of the Apostolic
because we have to understand that when the women that
are being risen up, they're strong, they're confident, they're bold,
they're educated, they have finances, they got their life together.
They not bipolar. They out here, they're focused, they're.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Driven, they're not drinking with wine. They are serious about
the things of God.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
And so when you see us under attack, you don't
see not one person in the room to defend us.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
You can look and know for sure that we are
on the cutting edge of being launched. We are on
the cutting.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
Edge of raising up more edificies. We're raising up more
training rooms, we are raising up more daughters, we are
raising up more We're raising.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Up more brethren and kindred. When you see it on.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
That level right there, and so do I think that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
The church is shifting? Absolutely, because before.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
We get ready to rise, you already got your foot
on our neck.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
But to think that you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Have your foot on our neck but we're not.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Down, you already risen.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
Yes, you've already risen.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
We're up. And so I see it in.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
I see it in the marketplace, I see it in
I see it in the you know, in in in
the Apostolic movement and momentum.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
That's a heartbeat, that's a thrusting, that's in the spirit.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
There's a there's a heartbeat that's a temple, and it's
beating in it. And we are marching to the sound
of that because we hear it. We are answering the
call of God.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
We are.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
We have our eyes set on God, and we have
set our caves, and we are moving to the momentum
of the spirit. And so, yes, we're shifting. Yes, we
are changing things yes, we are.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
We are. We are rising up, and.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
We are building and we are creating edifacies for the
glory of God.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
And so I do believe that we're gonna see more
of it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
We're gonna see strong women self women, not strong manly women.
We're gonna see strong steuth women that are confident. And
see the boldness that the Apostolic women wear. It's not
about how loud she is, it's not about how demanding
she can be, but it's how she carries herself with
the confidence.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
And here's the confidence right here. The confidence is in
the knowing. Yes, boldness comes from.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Knowing, and so yes, a possible to answer your question.
I can see the ways of the church shifting, because
when God begins to move and shift, when you see
men become nervous behind a gender, you can feel God
in that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
Come on, you can feel God powerful.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
Jesus.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
I pray that the women of God have heard the word.

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
On tonight and that we all have been blessed. This
has been so powerful, so powerful.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Can y'all put some.

Speaker 4 (01:02:13):
Handclap emojis up here on the screen on tonight for
our apostle Tonya Williams from manifesting the Sons of God
training sayer.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
Listen to me.

Speaker 4 (01:02:25):
I'm telling you this is fire, fire, fire, fire fall
on me.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Listen.

Speaker 4 (01:02:31):
This has been so so so good, and we just
thank God for her poor on tonight. We thank God,
Amen Holly Lujah. We thank God for everything that she
has shared with us on tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
This has been outstanding. Thank you so much, Apostle Tonya.

Speaker 4 (01:02:50):
This was incredibly powerful. This has been just what we needed.
Your courage, your faith, your obedience, all the things that
you've had to walk through, this has been This has
been the thing that we have needed to hear on tonight.
And so as we are getting ready to come to
a close, we want to give you a chance to

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share some final.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
Words of encouragement with the women who.

Speaker 4 (01:03:15):
Feel like they are called and maybe they're wrestling with fear,
or they're wrestling with resistance, or they're wrestling with themselves,
or just wrestling wrestling with the call. Like like you
said in the beginning, you know that reluctance, you know,
and so we want to give you opportunity to, you know,
just share some encouragement. And then also as you share

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this encouragement, also please share with us how we can
contact you. So let's do the sharing on the how
the women can handle, you know, give them some encouragement
on the way out, and then we'll do the you know,
sharing how they can contact you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
So what I would say to us, as women who
are answering the call of God, who are hearing God
and responding to God, this.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Is what I would say to you, Occupy until he comes.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
Lord Luke nineteen and thirteen is my anchor and my anthem.
Occupy until he comes. And what does that mean? That
means everything that God has invested in you, every resource,
every gift, every talent, the gospel of Jesus Christ. Occupy it,
start it well until he returns. Do not get weary,

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do not get tired.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Take your time.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
So rest is a weapon of warfare, and women, we
must learn how to sit down and do nothing. And
so we have to enter into that rest of God.
And what I'm telling you is to occupy until he comes.
That means that it is okay to let the dishes
sit in the sink. It's okay for that laundry basket,

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it's stayful.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
It's okay for you to sleep in till noon.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
On a Saturday, if that's what it takes. But what
I say is to make full proof of the ministry
that God has given un you, and I also say
unto us today to.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
Wait on the ministry. Wait on the ministry.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
Let God yield yourself to the pruning, yiel yourself to
the correction, yield yourself to the consecration and the sanctification.
Don't get ahead of God because you heard God.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
Let him process you. Because to every.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
Call and every assignment, there is a process. And we
want to be processed and purged and prepared before we've
hit platforms.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
We want to be processed.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
We want to be purged, We want to be pruned
before we hit those platforms. And so I say to you,
and I say to myself, because this is my anthem
in this dispensation, and this is my anchor occupied until
God returns. And so wherever He plugged you in at Stewart,
that place, where wherever he set you at in and
told you to serve that, do it faithfully. Because what

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you sew in another man's vision, God's gonna raise up
a destiny, help.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
Her to sow into your ministry. I'm gonna say this
unto us.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Until we learn how to serve another man's vision, we
will never ever appreciate the We will never ever appreciate
the labor us that God send into our ministry.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
And so if you are not willing to serve.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
In another man's vinyard, I'm telling you you're not ready.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
You're not ready. You're not ready to serve. You're not
ready to build, You're not ready to occupy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
Until you have labored, sweat, blood and tears over another
man's vision, until you have given every talent, every change,
every gift, every anointing to another man's vineyard. You are
not ready to leave, and you are not ready for service.
You can answer the call, but stay on the wheel.
We can answer the call, but stay on the wheel and.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
Stay in the hands of God.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
Because when we do every mon that's in our flesh,
he brings it in. It is visible, and He'll smooth
it out and create another vessel.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
And that's what I was saying to us. Be a
wisely bill. Wisely, don't be in a rush to bill, because.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
What goes up quickly comes down even quicker.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Take your time, follow the pattern of God. Be patient.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
The race is not given to the swift nor the strong.
But it's given to the one that's able to endure
to the very end. And we have to have spiritual stamina,
and it's our women. We have to have the ability
to endure hardness.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
As a good soldier. We have to be able to
set our face like flint and cause our poor has
to be that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Of an adamant and we must set our gaze upon God.
It's not about who can put it up quicker, who
can establish and plant five and six churches. We want
what's in the house to be stronger than the house
we build. Men, And I just want to say that
to us that think that there's a call of God, that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
There's a work that we have to do.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
Understand this right here. This is not a relay race.
It's not a relay race. It's not about who gets
to the finish line first.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
But it's about endurance.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
Because this call has an apostolic woman. This will kill
you quicker than cancer. It will kill you quicker than cancer.
And so you want to be ready and you want
to be positioned to answer the call of God and
build with wisdom.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
And so that's what I have to say. My name
is Tonya Williams. I'm going right into that. Apostle Tonya Williams.
Apostle Tonia A. Williams. You can contact me on Facebook.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
Messenger, my email addresses.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
On the screen. My Facebook name is Tonya A. Williams.
You can follow me on Instagram at Miss Williams thirty four.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
I got a few things that I'm working on, and
if you're interested, I would love to have you release
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Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Broken Ribs Do Heal. And I don't want you to
think that Broken Ribs Do Heal is a book about whys.
Come on, Because before I was a wife, I was
a woman.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
Come on, And so Broken Heel Do Heal is a
testament of the restoration of God in my life. And
so I can declare to you, and I can tell
you honestly that Broken Ribs Do Heal because.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
I'm the evidence, yes, and I.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
Have been put back into my rib cage to be
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Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
So I have that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
If you're interested in ordering a copy, I say contact me.
If not, you can go to Amazon and order a copy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
I will be glad if you would.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
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Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
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Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
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Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
You can send an email to the Sons of God
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of what it takes to get registered.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
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Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Is a place that God has called me to create
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Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
And teach them the language of the Spirit.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
So, if you are prophetic, if you have prophetic giftings,
if you have a prophetic call on your life, if.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
You are a dreamer, if you have visions.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
If you prophesied, and you want to know the language
of the spirit, or you want to be able to
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sign up for the course. I'm telling you God is
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Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
Thank you so much for us and praying for letting
me share.

Speaker 4 (01:11:10):
Oh my goodness, and listen, I couldn't get a hold
of this and this took me a few minutes. So
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Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
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Speaker 4 (01:11:19):
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Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
Get your copies of that. Amen.

Speaker 4 (01:11:28):
And I'm just excited because she is birth and she's
in her birth and season, she giving birth, the baby
at the baby, at the baby after baby, and we
just give God praise for all that she has shared
with us on tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
This has been phenomenal. This has been phenomenal. Amen.

Speaker 4 (01:11:50):
And again again, Apostle, we thank God for you. Thank
you for sharing your testimonies, thank you for sharing your wisdom.
Thank you for sharing about walking through your adversities and
being able to walk in obedience so that you can
blaze the trail for other people to follow. And so
tonight we honor you and we celebrate all that God

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is doing through your life and through your ministry, and
we thank.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
God for you, don't we thank God for her on tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
People of God, yes they do look at this look
at this they are.

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
Giving God praise.

Speaker 4 (01:12:23):
Amen, and we honor the Lord for you on tonight, Apostle,
and we praise God for all that has been poured
out here on tonight. What an amazing blessing. So I'm
gonna take her down from the screen just for one moment, Amen,
I just want to share a quick announcement. Again, We
bless the Lord for Apostle Tonya and for her coming

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and sharing and pouring out so greatly there is If
you got questions, she came with some answers. Don't forget
that you can reach out to her. And again, let
me just put her information on.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
The screen again. This is her.

Speaker 4 (01:12:59):
Email address if you want to be able to email
Apostle Tonya Williams.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
If you want to reach her on Facebook, you can
find her at Tonya A.

Speaker 4 (01:13:06):
Williams and on Instagram missus Williams thirty four. Her email
address missus Williams thirty four at Comcast dot net. Any
of the things that she shared on tonight. If you
want more information, please don't hesitate to reach out to
her so that you can participate in those things and
be blessed. We want to thank God for all of

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you who have been watching with us on tonight, and
I'm telling you this is just the beginning. This is
just the beginning, all right. And so I want to
tell you next Tuesday, somebody say next Tuesday, I want
you to join me next Tuesday right here for another
powerful episode of the Courageous Apostolic Woman. And our topic
next week is going to be building legacy Apostolic women

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who multiply. And my special guest next week is going
to be my spiritual daughter, Apostle Michelle Green guests.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
And so you don't want.

Speaker 4 (01:13:57):
To miss what God is going to do and what
He's going to release through the woman.

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
Of God on next week.

Speaker 4 (01:14:04):
So meet us here to not tomorrow next week at
eight pm Eastern Standard time.

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
So until next time, remember this that God.

Speaker 4 (01:14:12):
Is raising up courageous women who will not bow to fear,
who will not bout to intimidation or opinion.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
You were born for this moment, So walk boldly in your.

Speaker 4 (01:14:22):
Call, break the barriers, all right, and release the sound
wherever you go.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
In Jesus' name, God bless you. Thank you so much
for joining us tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:14:31):
Again, we thank God for Apostle Toonia for being here
with us, and for sharing all that she has shared
with us. On tonight, God bless you. We will see
you on next week by God's grace.

Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
Have a good night.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
The captil for a thing before the cattle.