The Courageous Apostolic Woman: The Weight of Dishonor

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Well, grace, mercy, your peace be must black to you
from God, our Father and the Lord Jesus prist. And
it is Tuesday, and it's night, so it's time for
Tuesday Night Live. And I am so excited about tonight
being able to come on and share with you all.
We are continuing in our series on the Courageous Apostolic Woman.

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So listen, if you know somebody that.

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Needs to hear this word, I'm glad to share this
on a couple of places, my own self, my own self, hallelujah, right,
And I want you to do the same thing. If
you know that there is somebody that's gonna be blessed
and encouraged.

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By the word of the Lord, I want you to
sad this out to them.

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You got a sister, you got an auntie, you got
a mom. You know somebody that you are mentoring or
you know what I'm saying, they are mentoring you. Listen,
I wanna put this on here. Let's put this up
here right now. All hello ya, Let's make sure I
spell it right. Yes, this is the Courageous Apostolic Woman broadcast.

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Bless the name of the Lord. I pray that you
all have been blessed.

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Last Tuesday, I was swamped beat right, and we were
trying to get stuff together for our head.

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Of the year gathering.

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This is what we're doing, yes, So I had to
take a break so that I can breathe and try
to catch a nap, you know what I'm saying. And
so tonight we are continuing. I did take some time
with you guys last time, and we went through chapters
one and two of the book. This is actually from

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a book that I am in the midst of writing.
My goal is to release one book every thirty days,
and so so far I'm on trap. I had to
catch up, but I'm on track now, amen. And so
I'm writing, compiling my notes, going through some things that
I have experienced in the past and some things that

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did I know that are going to be an amazing
blessing to other courageous Apostolic women, women that are building ministry,
women that are attempted to do the work of the Lord.

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And so I want to make sure that this is
a good quality book. So we went through.

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Chapters one and two on LA the last couple of weeks, right,
and I.

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Think we did one, two and three. Matter of fact, So.

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Chapter one, we talked about I really went through the
I spent time talking through the introduction, is really what happened.
And so we talked about the cost of the call
and what does it cost to really walk this walk right?

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Because it's not easy.

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It's not easy obeying God, it's not easy paying the price.
It's not easy when the pressure is on you and
you're having to bear the brunt of the things that
God has called you to do and people don't understand.
And we're gonna get into some of that on tonight.
So we talked about the course.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Of the call. That was broadcast number one, number two.

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Broadcast number two, we talked about the power of perseverance
and enduring hardship for the sake of the call. We
also did really that was number one, and also in
number one, we talked about the calls of the Apostolic
Woman and what that looks like. And then we also
jut with in our last broadcast, we talked about the

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loneliness that.

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Comes in leadership. What does that look like? Dealing with loneliness, dealing.

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With having to be courageous when you lonely, right, perseudeering
through difficulty, and then being able to still understand your
apostolic identity.

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While you are going through those things.

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And so I'm gonna skip a couple of chapters tonight,
and I'm going into chapter six, and I hope that.

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You hang out with me for a little bit.

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Let me see who's here with us before we get started. Hey,
bon Vin Yon Vin, bless yel So glad that you
are with me and with me, you know what I'm saying. Hey, Lenny, Lenny,
Great evening to you, Apostle Bew. We love you, so
glad to see you. And I mean, we had an

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amazing time at our Apostolic gathering, our open global head
of the year gathering.

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Look at you, hey, Pastor e you inser my message.

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But we're not gonna talk about that on the broadcast
on tonight. Praise the Lord all aint Lolija.

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Amen, Hey my Wilma, Wilma, that's my teaker right there. Amen. Good,
good evening to you, Good even to you, hey man.
This is Tanian.

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We bless the Lord for you. Prophetce God bless you,
God bless you. Apostle Keisha, We thank God for you.
Evangelist Katrina, We thank God for you. God bless you,
God bless you God, bless you, Amen, Blessings to all
of our open global family. We had an amazing time.
When I tell you, God met us. We will not

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crash this plane. But we're not gonna get into that tonight.
So tonight I wanna talk about the weight of dishonor.
And I'm bringing did I get through this without being
on ninety thousand, two hundred and fifty two? Right, We're
gonna try, right, But I wanna talk tonight about the.

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Weight of dishonor.

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If you know anybody in leadership, man, woman, dogcat, animal, whatever, right,
whatever they might be, bring them into the room on tonight,
tell them that they need to hear this word on
tonight because this right here, we're gonna deal with some
issues and this entire book. Let me say this, this

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entire book. I'm dealing with issues right, and some people
may not be able.

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To handle it. And these are the facts.

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Because we want to come to charge and we want
to We have made church all about membership. We have
made church all about the people who attend the church,
and we have forgotten about the leaders who have carried
and are carrying the weights of the ministry. We have

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forgotten that your pastor, my pastor, your apostle, my apostle
are human beings, and that if we cut them, they're
gonna bleed. That they have families, they have emotional things
that they go through, they have financial things.

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That they go through. Oh, I'm so glad, Properce. We
thank God for you a man.

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There are things that in leadership that you face, and
sometimes people forget that, right.

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And I often have heard people say I've often heard.

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People say, why am I putting nobody up on no pedestal?

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Or dah da da da da.

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But when the pastor or the leader does something that
you do not like and you can't forgive it and
you can't get over it, right, that means that you
really have put them up on the pedestal because you
want to be forgiven when you do wrong. You want
to have mercy shown to you when you're going through
your hardships. And I'm just saying you in the familiar sense, right,

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charge people. Let's say it like that, members, partners right,
believers who are part of ministries want to be excused.
They want to give you excuses for why they don't
come to church. They don't want nobody asking them no questions.
They want to do what they want to do, when
they want to do it as often as they want

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to do it, and they don't want to.

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Be accountable for it. And there's all.

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Kinds of expectations. How come you get to stay home
but the pastor can How come you get a sick
day or whatever kind of day, bless its properdence? Andrea,
how come you get a day to be in your
feelings but you don't give your pastor that same And
I'm not saying that pastor need to be in their feelings,

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but I'm saying these are the things, and so people
get mad.

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I'm gonna deal with some some.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Droy feeding droyd feeding droy feeding, okay, because this is
gonna be the real deal in the bill, this entire
book that I'm writing right now, The Courageous Apisodic Woman,
deals with real issues because there are things that I
know that we have glossed over in the church world
and we have not addressed it. And our leaders are dying.

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They are dying, they are walking away from ministry because
they are wounded by people that they have trusted, by
people that they are you know, blessings that they have
given their hearts to but the people that snatch their
hearts back, they have been wounded. There have been expectations

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set up. How anybody know what I'm talking about? Am
I talking French?

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Or anybody know what I'm saying? So Chapter six deals
with the weight of dishonor.

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There is a weight, there's a heaviness that is associated
with being dishonored, right, and I want to talk about
the reality of what dishonor looks like. Being able to
stand firm when everybody else or not not everybody, but
when other people doubt right doubt your mantle. They believed

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in you when they first came to the ministry until
you rebuke them all long. We starting on red edge, Jesus,
but this is what happens.

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I love you as long as you don't hit my
little red wagon.

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And you know, pastors have been the brunt of Facebook posts.

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And let's talk about this one second.

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We had the young lady who got rebuked in front
of the church on Facebook live by the pastor, and
I am not for that.

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I don't like that behavior. I don't the way that
that went down.

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I don't believe that that that was handled properly.

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You know what I'm saying, and there was a better
way that that could have been handled. Praise God and man,
thank you Jesus.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
All right, however, let's talk about Let's talk about how
there's an underlying something going on evidently, and I'm just
saying from things that were saying, let's just say, peradventure,
that particular pastor may have been wounded.

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You don't know, We don't know the whole backstory.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
But we made decisions off of sound bites, off of
little things that we see online. We don't know the backstory,
We don't know the history of the relationship. I know
that there are things that were said, but let's just
talk about the pain that comes and that is associated
with leadership. And so when we talk about this chapter here,
this chapter is gonna emphasize the weight of this honor

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right and how you have to as an Apostolic woman,
continue to rise and courage, to arise in faith and
to be unwavered. I have had people be with me,
walk with me, say they love me. I have persevered
with them, poured my heart out for them, giving my
all to them, only to be a Facebook post when

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they decide to leave and to suffer dishonor, for them
to drag my name through the mud, for them to
talk about me like a low down, dirty latreque, like
I was nothing to them ever help.

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Them in their most dire moments.

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Pastored and shepherded with my whole entire heart, and listen,
I will do it again because that's what God called
me to do. But there is a reality that pastors
who give their awe And what I found is these
pastors that treat you like trash, those are the ones
who seem to get the honor. But when you have
pastors and leaders and apostles and shepherds who care for you,

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who look out for you, who sacrifice their lives in
the sense of giving everything that they have for you,
you ought.

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To give them honor.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
And people don't want to give honor in these days
that we live in, and it's unfortunate.

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So we're gonna look at a couple of scripture.

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Were gonna look at Joshua one to nine, right, and
we're gonna talk about it. And I want to deal
with what dishonor is. Where does this come from? We're
gonna talk about this, right, And so dishonor is one
of the most painful trials in for a woman in
Apostolic ministry.

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One of the most painful trials right that you will face.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
And unlike criticism, we're not just talking about being criticized.
Dishonored carries the weight of rejection, dismiss so come on
in somebody, and the undermining of your God given authority.
You need to understand. This is why it's so painful.
It's because when people dishonor you, they undermine your authority.
When people dishonor you, they they dismiss your authority, They

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dismiss the anointing on your life, They dismiss who God
says that you are. They begin to ignore that blessings
to your daughter. And so you gotta be able to
handle this. You gotta be ready if you are called
to ministry. You gotta be ready to deal with people

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who are who are gonna love you today and stab
you in the back tomorrow.

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Now listen to me, everybody's not like that.

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But there will be trials that you have to face,
that you will experience that this kind of.

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Thing can happen to you. You understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
And so it's the silent whispers in the meetings. Right,
when your voice is overlooked, it's subtle exclusion from decision
making tables or to outright a few refusal of others
to acknowledge your calling. You can have people that you
are shepherding who won't acknowledge you, who will ignore you.

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They they're at your church and disrespect you while they're there.

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And I know that this is not popular. Now.

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See if I was coming from a church member perspective,
this place would be lit up.

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Like a Christmas tree. That's right, that's right.

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But when we start talking about how leaders are drug
through the mud, when we start talking about leaders who
give themselves to others and still end up being the
brunt of people's conversations, back biting after they have given
they all that.

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That's a thing that people don't want to address.

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You got sheep who bite, and honey, they don't just
bite you.

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Once they bite and they gnaw on you.

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We're gonna talk about how God uses this as a
refining process. That this rejection, this being overlooked, this thing,
you know what I'm saying, is something that happens so
that God can ref If you have if you feel

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like God has called you to great platforms, and you
can't handle people talking about you. And we've talked about
this already and you're really not ready for that.

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So let's get into this again.

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And so you know that the enemy often uses dishonor
as a weapon to make you question your identity.

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And this is what happens.

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One of the things that I've learned is that whenever
you come into the contact, come in contact with a
rebellious person, they always leave you questioning yourself. They always
leave you questioning God. They always leave you questioning, well,
did I really hear God? And is that what God
wanted me to do? When you knew that, you knew that,
you knew that God said what he said. But when
you get you come in contact with these rebellious people

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who are dishonorable, who who love you, kiss you on
your cheek, but are killing your reputation. Uh, they really
just want to ride your cotail for whatever. They can
ride your cotail for see see see see here we go.
Come on, Apostolic women. They want to see what they

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can get out of You know what I'm saying, say
it or.

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That's my pastor that's my apostle.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
You understand what I'm saying, but that honor is really
not there. They don't defend you when other people talk
about you, they listen in, they indulge.

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That is dishonor.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Cannot Let's give let's give some definitions of what dishonor is.
And I want you to know some of these some
of these comments, I can't see all of them.

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And I see this, these numbers is going up on Facebook.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
But I can't see all of the comments, all right,
so I'm trying to see it. But let's deal with this.
What is dishonor. Let's let's look at the etymology of
this world. Then I'm gonna get back to the text
and read some from the text.

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Dishonor is a noun, and it's the shame.

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It's the state of shame, disgrace, or loss of respect.
Now listen, this is what it's supposed to be.

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You.

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You fall into dishonor when it results from improper, immoral,
or shameful conduct.

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That's where dishonor is appropriate.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Right when you say somebody lives a dishonorable life, that's
when you that's where that that is placed.

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But what we're.

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Seeing in the church is this verb of dishonor, to
bring to shame or disgrace upon, to fail to show
respect right or to refuse to accept or to pay
homage to.

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That's part of the difficulty.

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This word dishonor comes from the Old English or the
old French dishonor during the twelfth and thirteenth century, which
this word is really not that old, and it derives
from the Latin dishonor, which this equals lack of or
opposite of honor and esteem.

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Dignity and respect.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
So the Latin says that dishonor means to remove or
take away e know and esteem, to undo, because the
word this means to undo, to undo public regard or dignity. Oh,
wait a minute, Wait a minute, let's talk about let's

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talk about these people.

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Let's talk about these people who leave churches.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Right, have left your church and quite possibly have made
you a Facebook post, an Instagram post. You have become
a text message. Now you're in the text group. Meanwhile,
while they're talking about you, they're in your inbox asking
you for godly advice.

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Honey, how do I know?

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Because it's happened to me more than once. And what
did I have to do? I had to just bear it.
I have to ask the Lord to give me a
clean heart, to.

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Not allow me to respond in my flesh to.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Things that were hurtful, that were painful, understanding that I
was dishonored. And what you have to understand about this
is that when people dishonor you listen, listen, reputation is
what other people think of you. And if you steal
something from me, if you take my reputation from me,

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you owe that back to me. So if you dog
me behind my back and you come back to me
and you say you're sorry, sorry, is not all you're
supposed to say. All of the Facebook posts you wrote,
all of the text messages that you wrote, all of
the phone calls that you had, all of the tiktoks
that you I'm talking about dishonor come on here, somebody,

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That means that you're supposed to go back and restore that.
That means you're supposed to go back to the people
that you had the conversation with and express to them,
you know what, I was out.

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Of line and I said things that I shouldn't have said.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
That's true repentance. But see, we don't teach it like that.
We don't teach it like that. You know, I know
when people are talking. You know, I was sharing with
our leader over the weekend about.

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The portrait of an exit.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
And you can always tell when people are about to
leave the church because it always starts with their children first,
because they start the children have heard conversations, and so
now the children don't want to be bothered with the
pastor who they used to love, right, and then the
children start, you know, being stand offish, and then from
there you have you know, oh, I'm not available, or

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they start making plans after service where they can't do
stuff after service because they're always otherwise occupied. And so
some of that is the root of dishonor, and we
don't realize that that's what it is. But because we've
not addressed it, let me get back to this definition.

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Okay, So.

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The earliest sense of dishonor literally was the absence or
the undoing of honor. Has anybody ever undone your honor?
Has anybody ever to your faith, behind your back, to
your constituents, to within your ministry, within your business?

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Have you ever had to deal with that?

Speaker 1 (21:10):
This word dishonor used to mean loss of esteve It
means shame or disgrace, right. And then also in the
all French, dishonor was absorbed into the French from the Latin,
and it carried a strong dishonor. It was a stain
to the reputation lineage all fidelity. Okay, it meant, it

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meant that people would stain your reputation. And so for
many of us, we've had to deal with this and
it's a hard thing and it's not something popular that
we talk about normally.

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When you hear people talk talking about being honored and dishonored,
you know, we're talking about that in a sense of, you.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Know, honoring your leaders, being a blessing to them, you know,
being respectful and two those things are very important. But
let's talk about how when you're giving your heart to
other people that God will allow these things to happen
in your life. And you still gotta be able to
have the right spirit while people are saying whatever it

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is that they're saying.

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Oh God, please help me, because this here is be
the truth. Okay.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
So the enemy uses dishonor to make you question your identity,
to make you question your assignment.

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Has it ever happened to you make you question your assignment. Lord,
do you really want me to do this? I don't
know about this because these people are wearing me out
and even your worth. And I need you to hear this.

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Women to God, it doesn't matter who likes you or
doesn't like you. It does not change what God upset
about you. It does not change that. Okay, dishonored does
not define you. It refines you. Somebody put that into comments.
Dishonored does not define me, It refines me.

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I'm sorry, I'm turning his air toward me because he's high.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
And so when we look at the scripture, we see
that the Bible is filled with women who face this honor.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
But they stood firm in their purpose.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
They didn't let what other people thought, what other people
were doing, what other people were saying.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Right. They did not allow.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
That to get them to the place where they will
walk away from their assignment. Don't you let what other
people say make you move away from your assignment, bless
said to your sister Shavano. Come on, somebody write in
the comments. This honor does not define me, it refines me.

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I'm being refined by the things that are happening in
my life by those that are walking away. And you know,
some people can't stand to have this kind of conversation
because you're weak.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Oh I said that. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Help me Jesus cause you wee because you want everything
to be nice and sweet, and oh, let's just glaze
it over. No, but these spirits must be addressed in
God's etclacea, because these things, amen, do not bring God glory.
These are the things that are tearing down God's church.

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These are the things that are prevented us from walking
in the power of God because we don't know how
to handle conflict. We don't know how to handle misunderstandings.
So you have a misunderstanding with your leader. You don't
like what your leader said, so instead of being a
woman about it, you wanna sit down and tell your BFF.
And in turn, you are poisoning other people.

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This is what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
That's dis honor because now it's not just you involved.
Now you have drugged somebody else's heart, somebody else who
needs who.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
That pastor influences.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
Now you have brought them into this and now they
can't received because of what you shared. Oh, you gonna
get in trouble with God.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yes, you are because God is not pleased with that.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Remember, this word dishonor means for you to remove honor,
to undo it. It means the absence or undoing of honor.
Whose honor have you undone? Whose honor have you snatched
from them so that nobody else can receive from them because.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
You had a.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Problem with them, because you had a misunderstanding with that.
And listen, go back to some churches that you left before.
Just so he said, I'm just sharing this because you know,
I just.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Need somebody to talk to.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Liar, you are stealing that pastor that apostle, because if
you were just trying to get some input, you wouldn't
tell ten people.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yes, I said it.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
If you just trying to find out, get some insight,
if you just want somebody to help you to be
able to walk through this thing, find you one person
you can trust. Why do you have to dishonor that
leader because you had an attitude or because they didn't
handle something the way that you wanted it to be handled.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
We got to deal.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
With this spirit of dishonor, and so you got to
understand that sometimes it comes from unexpected places. Sometimes it's
fellow believers it's mentors. It could be somebody that you
are mentoring, or somebody who is you are being mentored by,
even family members, they don't they may not be able

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to understand the weight of your call.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
And when you look in the scripture.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Jesus himself was dishonored in his own hometown, Mark chapter six,
verse four.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Yet what did he do?

Speaker 1 (26:51):
He continued his ministry undeterred. Have you been deterred because
you was dishonored? Let me tell you someone, Let me
look into this camera. There are people that I love
dearly to this day who have told me did not

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reciprocate the love that I gave.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
They were waiting.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
And there's a chapter in this book about betrayal and
jealousy and all of those things.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Because these are areas that you.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
May not think that you're gonna have to face and
ministry because you're just here to do a work for
the Lord, and you love God and you want God
to be pleased.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
But let me tell you something.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
That Pastolic woman, these are things that you are gonna
have to confront. And as you are dealing with these things,
you gotta let God deal with you. You gotta let
him purj you of everything that's not like him.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
You gotta let him.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Deal with those things and you that make you hold
grudges and make you feel like you justified when you
want to get back at people.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Come on, you gonna have to let that stuff go.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
You gonna have to let God refine you, work on
you the way that he wants to work on you,
pureify your heart, sanctify your heart the way that he
desires to so that you can be used for his glory.
So you can be the vessel. And see, let me
tell you something if you're not ready for that. And
I love I really do.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
I love that. Sometimes we.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Say that we can take the truth and we can
handle the truth, but it's always these hard places that
this is the stuff we don't want to handle. We
don't want to have to deal with this. We don't
want nobody to talk about it because you know, I
don't want to talk about it. And if I don't
talk about it, then maybe it's gonna go away.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
No, it's not.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
It's not gonna go away. It absolutely is not gonna
go away. This is going to be here because God
needs you to address it.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
He needs you to deal with this spirit.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Of dishonor, All right, Jesus continued his ministry undeterred. And
so the key for this is that you have to
recognize that dishonor is not a reflection of your inadequate
but it's a test of your faithfulness.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Let me say it again.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
It is not a reflection of your own inadequacy, but
it's a test of your faithfulness. God is testing you
to see if you're gonna be faithful through being dishonored.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Are you gonna cuss them out because they cussed you out?
What you're gonna do? Should what you're gonna do?

Speaker 1 (29:21):
Are you gonna retaliate because they said something to you?
You gonna play tip for tat You kill my dogter
kill your cat? Is this what you're gonna do? You
gotta make the decision that you are gonna be what
God has called you to be, and you are going
to allow yourself to walk in love, to walk in forgiveness.

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That Lord, whatever I got to grow in, where area
I got to grow in in my life because of
these things that are happening to me, I am going
to accept it.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
I'm going to let you do this work in me.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
I'm not gonna fight you, because you are allowing these
things to take place in my life. Have anybody who's
ever been dishonored? You may have had a friend that
you honored.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
And let me tell you something. It's not just leadership.
It could come from friends. Why does this honor happen.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
It happens because people doubt what your caveat. They don't
believe what God has said to you. Oh yeah, well God,
God ain't tell me that I don't know about all
of that. Well, they could go ahead with that. I'm
just gonna let them do whatever is. Whatever you know,

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and so you gotta be able to overcome these things.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Let me get back to this for a second. Hold on. Okay,
So when others are questioning your annoying.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
When others and they will and they may not say,
well are you really God's annoying?

Speaker 2 (30:47):
It is their behavior.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
It is there not following, It is there always asking
fifty questions every time you give instructions. It is their
unwillingness to be obedient. Those are things that are signs
that they don't believe.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
And when that starts.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Happening to you, you can't get no attitude about it.
When they start questioning your annoying. You gotta remember that
God is the one who qualified you. Your validation comes
from God, and so the more you lean into his affirmation,
the more you lean into what God is saying. The last,

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the opinions of others are gonna shake you, and that's
where you gotta get You can't let people's opinions shake you.
You can't let what other people think move you. You can't
let that provoke you to have the wrong spirit and
to retaliate. And then now you can't function. Now you
can't minister to those who stayed with you because those

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who left you treated you wrong when they said something
you know.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
To you or said something about you.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
You gotta you gotta, you gotta be able to digest that,
and then you gotta ask.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
God to give you a thick skin. Listen, they talked
about Jesus, that the mistreated Jesus.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
We know that as a fact, But can we handle
it where y'all at? Did I lose you because because
we don't want to address it? Did I lose you
because this is not one of your favorite subjects. Listen,
When I said I'm dealing with real raw issues in
this book, I meant that We're gonna talk about everything,

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just about everything that you will face as an Apostolic woman.
You gotta be able to address these things because if
you do.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Not, they will be the.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Demise of the ministry that God has given to you.
It will call you to miss out and lose. When
God has called you to win and he wants you
to take territory and he wants you to be able
a man glory to God to fulfill your assignment. But
when you are worried about what people are saying about
you and you can't get over them dishonoring you, and

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you're worried about them affirming you, Listen to me. Dishonor
is not the end of your story. People talking to me,
And I'm gonna tell you. I'm not gonna lie to
you and tell you I have not cried, cried real
big girl tears, really like a baby. Okay O, were
people that I have loved them with all my heart

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when I couldn't understand what happened.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
I'm not saying.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
That that you know or there weren't times that some
of the misunderstandings could have very well been my own
fault because I'm not perfect.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Come on in somebody.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
But when it came down to people doing things, and
I have had people sit in my office and in
effect tell me how much better their ministry is than
ours to my face, and I'm just like, wow, wow,
look at me in my face and dishonoring me.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
And I had to let them have their say.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
I didn't retaliate, I didn't talk back about it.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
I didn't try to defend myself. You know why, because
it's not my place to do that.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
We gotta learn that when God is allowing our flesh
to be buffeted, then we gotta take it patiently. This
is a generation of people who love to be bout
it about it right, you're talking about knuck if you buck,
all of that stuff past Thus prophets, apostles, all of
them walking around here with teach shretching about knuck.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
If you buck, honey, you not ready for real ministry.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
If you still talk about knock, if you buck, this
is a death walk. And if you are still alive,
if your affections and your emotions are still alive to
the point that you got to defend everything, you ain't
ready for this walk.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
You not ready for this mantle.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
You not ready for the for the platforms that you
want and desire God to open up for you, because
you are still in the fact.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
You are still immature.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
And I mean, I've had people say some really crazy
things and I had to sit there and take it.
I didn't try to defend myself. I'm just like, oh, okay, well,
praise God, Praise praise God, and we bless the Lord.
We pray that God blesses you and your next endeavor.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
The Lord bless you. Keep your turning's face.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Towards you, give your peace in Jesus' name while you're
go on your way, and you gotta let that stuff go, and.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
You can know that you're being dishonored. How do you
handle that? How do you handle that? Right?

Speaker 1 (35:29):
How do you handle that? What do you do when
you know that there are people who really don't have
any respect for you? You can't make people respect you.
And what I found out is long as as long
as I play in the game, long as I'm gonna

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sing this song that you want me to sing, long
as I'm gonna play dumb like, Okay, I don't know
nothing that's going on.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Listen.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
I learned this a long time ago just because I
don't call you out.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
That don't mean I don't see you. I don't have
to call you out. It's not my job to call
you out.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
There's some things that I have to address, but there
are some things that are God's.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
This is his curriculum.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
This is the thing that He has done and brought
you into so that He can grow something in your life.
Grace and peace and blessings to you as well. Come
on here, somebody, come on. So there are areas of

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your life that need to be purified. So you know
that this honor is not the end of your story. Right,
This is your proven ground. This is where your faith
is purified. This is where your resolve is strengthened. Have
you allowed God to strengthen your resolve? Or you still trying?
You're still trying to prove yourself to people. You don't

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got nothing to prove. What is that good and acceptable
and perfect will of God? Don't prove anything else. There
is nothing else to prove. Let people say what they
gonna say, Let them talk however they gonna talk. I
got people who look me in my face and I

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don't mean nothing to them, and I'm okay with that.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Cause can I tell you. I know that I'm an
acquiet taste.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
And everybody that think that they can handle what you
carry cannot handle what you carry.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
And you and I'm.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Gona talking about you being nasty and mean and rude.
That is what I'm saying. I'm just saying. Everybody don't
like avocados. Everybody don't like onions. Everybody don't like cheese. Everybody,
and you are avocados.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
You are cheese.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
You are some of that to some people. And you
gotta be alright with that. You cannot. Your battle is
not to force people.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
To like you. That's not your battle. Your battle is
not to force people to even honor you. That's not
your battle.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
Your battle is for you to get the victory. Amen,
all this flesh, blessings to your daughter, good to see you.
Your battle is to bring this flesh under subjection, so
that no matter what it is that you are facing,
you are giving yourself to God, and you are allowing

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God to purify.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
You, to purge you, to heal you, to deliver you, to.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Operate through you. And it doesn't matter what other people
are saying. We are so we've grown up this way
right that we've got to defend ourselves. I gotta defend myself.
There are things that maybe you may need to speak concerning,
but you do not have to defend yourself.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Jesus is the one.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Who fights your battles. We sing the song the Battle's
not mine, it's the Lord.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Well. Where you let him fight it, where you let.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Him fight it, where people are dishonoring you, where people
are talking or disgracing you and causing other people to
lose respect for you. This is a real thing. Do
you understand what I'm saying? This is a very very
real thing. And over the years, this word has gone

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through so many semantic shifts. This one word even used
in legal and financial terminology. But the one that I
want us to deal with is this loss of honor.
This place where people are bring leaders and people who
are serving to a place of disgrace and shame, a

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place where they disrespect, disrespect you, disrespect your mantle, disrespect
the office that you stand in. Blessings to you, blessings
daughters coming on in with they disrespect you.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Don't got time to fight over that. Listen to me.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
If you spend the tenure of your ministry fighting and
chasing after your reputation, worrying.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
About what people think.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
I have people I've tried in timespanss. I try to
bring them close, I try to spend time with them.
I try to give my all, and sometimes that's not
what they want. I can do about it. Nothing I
can do about it. You do your partner.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Rest is up to God.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
And if they want to write four thousand Facebook posts
about you, let them, let them. If they want to
talk about your kids, and I've had people do that,
talk about my children, talk about my marriage, talk about
you know, things affecting my life, all of the things.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
There were people who knew some inside stuff.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
You know, it wasn't nothing, you know, deep and personal,
but they knew some of the whatever was on the
inside still felt the need to go say whatever it
was that they wanted to say. I'm fine with it
because because dishonored does not define me, it refines me.
And if God allowed it, and if I say that
my steps are ordered by the Lord, and if I

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say I trust God, then I trust him even through
being dishonored. I trust Him even through people dragging my
name through the mud. Because here's the thing, the proof
is in the proof. You can say whatever you want
to say. You can go wherever you want to go.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
You can talk about me, however, call me a low
down journey the track. You can say whatever.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
But one of the things that I used to teach
my children is and I still say this, This is
a mantra that I live by.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
I will never let people change me.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
If I love you today, you can say whatever you
wanna say.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
I'm gonna love you tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
I'm gonna love you tomorrow because those things that venom
that's coming out of people don't have anything.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
To do with me.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
That has something to do with them and have something
to do with whatever's going on with them. Some of
them have mother fractures, and because of their fracture with
their mother, they can't receive from me. I'm okay with that.
I understand that it happens. It's nothing you can do
about it. But I'm not gonna fight your memories to
try to be something to you. I'm not gonna fight.

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And this is where you gotta get. You just gotta
give people to God. You gotta give them these are
his people. You have to entrust them to their father
and let Father deal with them, let Holy Spirit deal
with their nasty mouths and their nasty attitudes and the lies.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Can I talk about the lies, the lies that they
tell you.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Gotta let them do it. You gotta pray through it. Yes,
you may have to cry through it. Yes, it is difficult,
especially when you have poured your heart out for them
and given them the best of your ministry and they
still treat you like dirt underneath their shoe. Come on, absolutely,

(43:28):
and so we gotta be all right with that and
still look to Jesus, the author and the finiture of
our faith. You need faith and courage and obedience, faith, courage,
obedience that comes from the presence of the Lord, that.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Doesn't come from people, that doesn't come from you know.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
And and and I've been I've been doing ministry pastoring Carle.
My oldest is thirty five, So I want to say
my second let me see my son.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
My youngest son is thirty three.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
I've been pastoring for thirty three years, pastor our first
church when he was born, right after he was born,
and the rejection, and at that point, I was in.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
My early twenties, my early twenties.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
To imagine being in your early twenties and you're trying
to find your footing, as a mother, as a wife,
right even as a believer. I had been saved for
years at that point. However, there were things that I
was experiencing in ministry because people who were older than
me thought that I didn't possess it because they didn't
know where I came from. And it wasn't until things

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were put in my hands that they were able to
see what I possessed. And then we want to trust you,
but we didn't believe in you before that, and that
was okay. I had to deal with that. Then it
was times that there were leaders who trust me to
do certain things in the ministry, but because of my age,
those who were around did not think that I had

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the ability to fulfill it, and I didn't have time.
I didn't have time to be able to chase all
of these words to try to.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Prove myself to everybody. Listen to me.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Stop chasing stories, Stop chasing people's opinions of you. And
when people really love you, when people really honor you,
if they have ever dishonored.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
You, they will do their due diligence.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
It's proof of their love for you that they will
go and fix what they stole from you.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
If they stole your reputation, if they talked about you.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
To other people, if they ran your name in the mond,
you shouldn't even have to tell them that because love
compels us. Love compels us to go and do what
is right. And so this is why you gotta be okay.
You gotta give yourself to the Lord. This is his ministry,

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This is his calling on your life, This is his anointed.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Your steps are ordered by God.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
And so there are gonna be times that you're gonna
have to come into contact with people who don't like you,
and you don't have time to try to prove yourself
to people who don't like you.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Where you think you all that, and you think you
and and well.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
Somebody gotta think it, because oh my god, if I
don't and you don't, well, who gonna believe in me
enough to do something? Jesus seemed to think that I
was something because he gave his life from me. So
why should I think that I'm something? Why shouldn't you
think where y'all at? Why shouldn't you think that you

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are something that you hope value?

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Because He gave us a life for you, and.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
I wanna make I wanna put a little caveat here,
because even though I'm talking about dealing with these things,
and I'm talking about how we have to and I
think that these messages.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
These these.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Have anybody who's ever there, I gotta turn it off
because what's happening is I'm not seeing your comments. I'm
trying to see these comments. Very good, there you go.
Facebook is not showing me all your comments. So I
have to put this on so I can hear it.
So listen to me. You got to know that, you
got to know that you mean something to God, that

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you are the apple of his eye, even if you
are a spot on somebody else's feest in their mind.
You you don't have time to be fighting with people
over them loving you or not loving.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
You, honoring you, dishonoring you.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
I need you to saying why are you talking about
this about his friend? Why couldn't you write a book
about the joys of ministry? Okay, one of these days
I will, I mean every thirty days I'm doing something,
so maybe I'll get to that. But I don't want
you to come into ministry and fall out, or get
in church and fall out because you thought everything was

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supposed to come up roses because you thought everything was supposed.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
To be tiptoeing through the tulips.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
I need you to understand that the reality of this
is that the enemy wants to stop you. He wants
to shut you down. He wants to wear out your patience.
He wants you to give up on God. He wants
you to give up on what God has said to
you and to your family and to all of your seed.
And if dishonor is the thing that will cause you

(48:47):
to walk away, he won't bring it a thousand fold.
He will bring it a thousand fold. He will use
people that are close.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
To you to dishonor.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
You don't think that it won't come from your children.
Don't think that it won't come from your spouse. Don't
think that it won't come from people that you are
sharing your pulpit with. It could come from almor parents,
It could come from your ministry team, It could come
from anywhere. Because the enemy wants to discoverage you and

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cause you to quit.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
And this is why you got to.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Stand firm on God's word. And we gotta come for
this chief call dishonor. We gotta shut it down in
the sense that when you who are a part of
the body of Christ. When you see or hear people
dishonoring leadership, you should shut it down.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
You know, I love, I love.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
You know I love a couple of things, but I
really love I love that God has a way of
uncovering our weak self, our inability to deal with truth,
our inability to handle where we really are. Cause you know,

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were blown smoke up our own behinds. Did I say
that I did? I ain't taking it back. We are
blown smoke up our own behinds. Some of us are dishonorable.
We are home wreckerds in the spirit, and we know it.
But because what we are doing is we smile when
we become the church. We still giving our tithe, we

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still giving our offer. But as soon as we get
in the car with Sister Sally and them, oh did
you know?

Speaker 2 (50:37):
And how comes such another dishonorable?

Speaker 1 (50:40):
You cannot curse your fountain and drink fresh water from it.
At the same time, you cannot curse the ground and
expect it to bear fruit for you. This is why
you're come in the house and there's no word for you,
because you've already cursed the ground, You've dishonored your leader,
and so because you dishonored your leader, there's nothing there
for you until you fix it, even if it's unbeknownst

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to them, even if they are unaware.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
God is not dumb. I said that God is not dumb.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
God isn'ware of where your heart is, and he will
shut things down and keep you from being able to
receive because you know your heart ain't right. Father, God,
in the name of Jesus, help us Lord God, to
get a hold of real truth and be able to
receive it. Father, help us God to be delivered from

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the spirit of dishonor help us God that those of
us that have had to be dishonored and are being dishonored,
that we would be able to endure hertness as good soldiers. Father,
that we will now murder and complain, but that we
would give our.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Whole selves to this walk.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
With you, so that whatever you want to refine in us,
that we will allow O, God, your fire to burn
up everything that's not like you and our will and
our emotions and our thoughts.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
God, do it in us, Father, for your glory.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
In the name of Jesus, because I don't want to
miss God hallelujah. Hey man, God bless you, hallelujah. It
comes with the territory. You cannot curse the ground. If
I go outside and curse the ground and then go

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proceed in and expect it to give in your.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Fruit, it's not gonna happen because I cursed it.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
I cursed it, and Jesus said it like this, He said,
a fountain cannot bring for bit of water and sweet.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
At the same time, you got to make a decision
what's gonna come up out of you?

Speaker 1 (52:44):
And if you have a problem with your leader, you
need to go sit down and talk to them again.
I've said this, and I'm gonna tell you I've been
on that trajectory where I quit ministry because I was wounded.
Where I quit ministry, blessed to you. Where I quit
ministry because I was wounded because I knew that there

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were people who didn't meet me good and were still
smiling in my face, and they warned me out. I
had given everything of myself to God's people, and I
couldn't understand how come they did not reciprocate. How come
that they was happy to receive but not happy to give.

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How Come they were happy for me to sacrifice on
their behalf, but didn't care to even think that they
needed to make any sacrifices for me. And I had
to be okay for it, and I had to learn
that the shepherd gives his life for the sheep.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Come on here, somebody.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
You want to carry this weight, You want to lead people,
you want a ministry?

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Can you give your life for the sheep?

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Are you able to give your life for these that
you say you love and you can't be in your
emotions when it comes well, I would give my life,
but honey, they don't honor me or I ain't given
my life.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Listen to me.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
The very people that Jesus that was that was dishonoring Jesus.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
He still gave his life for them. And that is
our model.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
You can know that somebody means you know God, how
do you handle that? How do you handle dishonor and
being dishonored and after that, after that because of dishonor,
it could be lonely walking through.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
The place of dishonor.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Let me read to you this second Timoty, chapter four,
verse sixteen.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
This is Paul talking.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
He said, at my first defense, no one came to support,
but everybody deserted me. Have you ever experienced that? Where
is the team at? Where is the team at?

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Where?

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Where are the inassess us who said they was praying
for me and left me out here to get run
over by this truck?

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Where are the people who said they got my back?
Come on here?

Speaker 1 (55:15):
Where are the people? You gotta be able to give
yourself to God.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
And this is what Paul said. He said, give.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Yourself first to God and then to others by the
will of God. That's what we gotta do. We gotta
learn how to do this. Give yourself to God first.
And what this happened is we have given ourselves to
people first and then gave ourself to God after they.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Ran them unk on us.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
No, give yourself first to God and then to others
by the will of God. You got to understand when
it is the will of God to give yourself to others.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
But you must first be willing to give yourself to God.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
You must first be willing to endure the loneliness because
it's lonely people are talking.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Listen, listen.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
You you have to be able to go and read
what they are saying and it not getting your spirit.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Did you hear what I said. You gotta be.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Able to hear the conversations and it not destroy your joy.
You gotta be able to get the messages. Somebody could
come and tell you, Oh, did you see so and
so and so say such another another.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Does it sting? Yes, it's stings. Does it hurt? Oh?
My God? Did you cry? Did I? Yes? I did?
But guess what Bible says. God takes my tears and
he puts them in the bottle.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
But I understand that I have been called to this,
and I also understand that this is an occupational hazard
and it comes with the territory. And so because it's
an occupational hazard and it comes with this territory, I
am giving myself to God so that whatever I have
to endure as an Apostolic woman, I'm gonna let.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
God take me through this.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Death walk, and I'm gonna allow him to kill this flesh.
And I'm gonna allow whoever need to say whatever it
is that they need to say. They can lie, they
can cheat, they can steal, they can make up stories,
they can do whatever.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
They can leave the church. They can go and tell
Brother dou Hiki.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
And them that I said something that I didn't say
all of the above. I have had people who I
poured my heart out in the fact tell me that
other people in their family received but they did not.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Well, you was a blessing to them.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
Look at me in my face, and you know what
I said, Praise God, Praise God.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Thank God for that. To God be the glory.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
In the fact, telling me they receive nothing, and you
know what, Praise God. I'm sorry that that happened to you.
I'm sorry that everything that was being poured out that
you couldn't receives. I gonna fight with them about, well,
why you say such another, such another. That's not my
it's my it's not my goal. That's not what I'm

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supposed to do.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
I'm not here for that. Look at me in my face.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
Apostle brads said it, and I said, you know, well,
praise God.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
I'm glad that that they was blessed. Amen.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
And you can't fight with people. Dishonor is a horrible spirit.
It's a horrible spirit, and behind it is the spirit
of pride. And what happens is is that they think
that they are above you. That's really what it is.
They think that they are above you.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
So because they think that they are above you.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
You don't have anything to give to them, whether that
is financially, spiritually, or howbeever. Well, the reality is is
if you feel like that, you have to allow them
to be able to go where they feel like they
could be. And you can't fight with people. As leaders,
We're not here to fight with nobody.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
We are here to fulfill.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
Our assignment to stand in our office, whatever office that is,
if that is a pastoral office, the apostolic office, or
you're a prophetic office, whatever office you have been called
into as a leader, that you would stand in that
office with integrity, with the power of God, with the
love of God, come on here, somebody, and that you
would endure affliction as a good soldier.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
How are you enduring?

Speaker 1 (59:33):
Are you allowing what people say to make you mad
at God? And now you're not gonna pray? Now you're
not gonna give yourself to God. Now you're not gonna
give yourself to others. I'm telling you, it's an occupational hazard.
It comes with the territory. So you gotta be ready.
And nobody didn't tell me this. I had to walk

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this out. I had to walk this out. I had
to walk this out.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
People saying that they love me but doing this behind
my back.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
I had to walk it out. I'm still walking it out.
I'm gonna always be walking it out. You know why,
because this comes with the territory. What are you doing
about being dishonored? How do you handle the loneliness that
accompanies that?

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Right here?

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
You are trying to carry away to your ministry, trying
to do whatever it is that you're supposed to be doing,
and you can't. You trying to find people you can trust.
Come on, be trying to find people you can trust.
You're trying to handle those things. You're trying to walk
where God wants you to walk. And I need you
to understand. And sometimes it comes from other leaders. Sometimes

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it comes from other leaders sometimes and you got listen.
You can know it, and you just keep moving. You
keep moving, You keep moving, You keep moving. It comes
with the territory. Maybe I'm the avocado and they don't
like avocados.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
I don't like avocados either.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
And I tell you I would not be in the
place where God I am today.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Without the betrayals.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Without the dishonors that I've had to walk through, without
the lies, that have been told and having God to
teach me how to navigate when people say all kinds
of stuff to my face.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Behind my back, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
And sometimes people say things they trying to be snied,
like you don't get it, like you slow, or I
caught it, but you know what, I threw it right back.
And when I say I threw it right back, I
gave it to God so that God would get the
glory out of my life. Listen to me, women of
God and any men who might be on here. You

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to this place for ministry. People have not called you,
and so you gotta be okay. And it is sad,
but you know what it comes with the territory and
and and there's no way that we're gonna walk into
the great heights of God and not suffer and not
be able to suffer great loaves. The depths that we

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have to go to and suffer are just as deep
and just as low as the heights that God is
calling us into. And we have got to be able
to endure those areas. We have got to be able
to allow God to refine us and purify us and
deal with our hearts and and and and work on
those areas, those attitudes, that unforgiveness, that pride that you

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know I'm saying that I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Always right, all of those things God. God. We got
to give all of those things to God.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
We got to allow him to and that is why
he allows these things. And these same people can come
back to you and be like, hey, I love you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
What you gotta be ready to receive them. Come on,
you gotta be ready to receive them. Jesus was betrayed
by Peter.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
He was We know that he was betrayed by Judas,
but he was also betrayed by Peter. Peter denied him,
and his denial was a betrayal. But I didn't see
Jesus saying, well, you know what, I'm taking back your apostleship.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
You're unworthy and so you are not gonna be one
of my.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Apostles, you know, just mistreating me and denying me and
betraying me, acting like you don't know who I am,
cussing and carrying on like you don't know who I am.
Jesus took him right back because he understood that it
was a matter of his immaturity. Why, because he said

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to him, when you are converted, when you really get saved,
Strengthen the brethren. When you get your mind right, Strengthen
the brethren. When you get some depth to your life,
Strengthen the brethren. When you growing grace in the knowledge
of the Lord.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Strengthen the brethren.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
When you get that mess that's from your Mama and
Noam still in your heart, you get that out of
you and you grow to another place in God.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Strengthen the Brethren. That's what he was saying.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
When you are converted, strengthen the brother When you really
get sin out of you, Strengthen the Brethren. That's what
he told me. Say that when you are converted, you
gonna deny me, Peter. But when you are converted, and
this is what you got to do. You got to
give people the opportunity to experience to conversion. Because they
came to the altar, but they wasn't converted. They've been

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in church all their life. Baby, they ain't converted. They
got titles and mantles, but they're not converted. They got
collars and robes, but they're not converted. They got licens
and open doors, but they're not converted. And the proof
that they're not converted is in their behavior.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
And you got to give people time to convert. Jesus did. Yes,
he did. Jesus did. Holly Lujah, Glory be to God.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
Jesus did. You got to give up people the chance
to convert. Well, I am a Christian. Yeah you might be,
but you still not converted.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
Booe.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
You got to give them the chance to convert. Jesus
knew what he was saying when he talked to Peter.
Peter was like, man, I'm not great, deny.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
You do you know I heard.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
People I'll never forget When things first started, I first
had the pastor on my own.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
I had a whole leadership.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
Team, entire leadership team that said to me, apostle, we
got your back, we are here for you. And I
told this story a thousand times, right, I told this
story without and it's too It's hilarious to me now.
It was painful then, but it's hilarious to me today.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
You know why, because flesh is fit goal and God
allowed it for my refining. Y As give a chance
to convert.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
They ain't converted them, jokers ain't converted at all. And
as they were saying, oh, we're gonna be.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
Here for you, we got you the more.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
That I tried to go forward in the ministry, the.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
More this team went to the left, the more.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
I'm gonna telling the puzzle, the more this team went
to the left. I had one and this was the leader.
Leader supposed to have been my right hand, left hand leader.
I have sacrificed greatly for. And it usually happens that way.
The one that you have sacrificed the most for will

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bring the most pain. That person that went through some things,
counseled them and their family, counsel them and their husband,
walk them through some situations in their life, right, all
kinds of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
Sacrificial. That's what you're supposed to do. You the shepherd.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
You sacrificed them. The shepherd gives his life for the sheep.
I'm gonna say it again. If you're not ready to
give your life for those you lead, you're not ready
to lead.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
So back to the story.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
But this person, Passel, I got your back, prayed, prophesied,
believe God. She had all this money she was holding
on to that was supposed to be coming to her right,
prayed all of those things, all of those things.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
Blessings to you, my sister. She did. I meet all
kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
And you know what, she was meeting with the people
at my church behind my back and inviting them to
her church that she was gonna start, and asked me
could I come and meet with her as soon as
she got her money that I prayed and fasted for
her for that they.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
Were released for her. She took her money.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
And some of the members from the church and started
her own ministry. And she said, I believe that it's
time for me to start my own ministry. And I said, well,
if that is how you feel, then I don't want
to hinder what you feel like God has called you do,
because listen, I'm not no competition for God.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
And if you're gonna tell me that God said so,
then you go ahead with it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Smookie, Oh, don't be sorry, Apostle, Desirah, Honey, those things
made me.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
I'm not sorry. I'm thankful. I'm thankful because it taught
me to hold on to God.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
It taught me to look to Jesus. It taught me
to trust God. It taught me to nasty. It taught
me that it didn't matter to me if I had
to preach the two people, I was still gonna keep
preaching it taught me that loss is connected to this
apostolic mantle.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
And it was, Yes, it was yep. And you know what,
I cried over it because I poured my heart out
for her.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
I gave, I gave, I gave, and I'm not sorry
for none of it. Did she ever come back and apologize? Absolutely?
Did I receive it? Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
Why? Because she wasn't converted. She wasn't converted.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
And not just that that dishonor did not define me,
it was refining me. And I had to allow the
refining fire in my life so.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
That God could do his good work in me. Come
on here, somebody listen. It comes up with the territory.
And this is why I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
You know what, I'm saying that these are things that
we got to be ready to handle. And you can't
fall out because these things happened to you. I've had
people I let live in my house they didn't have
nowhere else to go. I opened my doors holley lujah
to them. That's it, hallelujah. I opened my doors to them,

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let them live in my house, and they still dishonored me.
But guess what, it didn't define me, It refined me.
It burned, fraying out of the way. God was converting me.
God was getting me out of me. God was delivering
me from my our attitude. Because honey, this New York
girl right here, I would tell you like a ti is,

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tell you what bus to get on and what stop
you need to get off, and matter of fact, go
stand in front of the bus.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
Listen. I had to be deliberate.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
And God knows that when we need deliverance in our life,
he will send people as as refiners. He will allow
them to be the sad paper in your life to
smooth out your rough edges, to get you in the
place that He has caught you to be, so that
you can.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Walk up right before him.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
Come on here, somebody and AM, come on here, prophertness,
energy and am come on. So don't despise when you're
going through dishonor. I understand that it is something that
is prevalent in ministry, but I want you to understand
that it comes with your mantle, It comes with the anointing,

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it comes with your call. You cannot walk and be
honored anywhere unless you first have suffered dishonor. Listen, how
do I know because the book apartment. Them sells us
that before honor, it is humility. And baby, let me
to you something. You're gonna have to be able to
walk through some humility, amen, and be able to humble
yourself and be able to deal with some circumstances and

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situations and people, and you gotta still be able to
love the hell out of them.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
Ooh, we did? I say yes? And I ain't cussing.
I'm telling you this.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
Sometimes that people will come to you and they are
full of hell and they need conversion, and you are
gonna have to love them until all that hell get
out of them. Are you ready for this call? Are
you ready for this apostolic woman? Are you still saying
God called you to the nationense, but you still make

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decisions in your and your emotions. You're not ready. You
still don't know how to handle dishonor, and you still
don't know how to not be dishonorable. You're not ready.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
Let me tell you something. You can't come to me
and say nothing to me about.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
My spiritual mother or my spiritual father, because if I
catch you, I'm gonna correct you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
And if people could come to you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
And talk to you about your spiritual parents, they ain't
your spiritual parents.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
I don't care what other people teach. They are a
bunch of liars.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
Look in the scripture, even in the scripture, the Lord
even said, he said, if I be.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
Your father, where it be my honor, Come on here, somebody.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
We're in the season that God is turning the hearts
of the sons back to the fathers, and the heart
of the fathers back.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
To the children. There is and Paul said.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
He said, though you may have many instructors, you have
not many fathers.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
Stop with this false doctrine because.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
You don't want to be able to be able to
face the fact that this is God.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
This is how God does what he does.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
We are all the offspring of somebody in the natural
or in the spirit. And if you not the offspring
of somebody in the spirit, then that's a bastard spirit.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
But hey, it's the truth. When you see the when
you see the light, walk therein. So we gotta get
we gotta get to the place that we don't let
dishonor wreck us. We don't let other people if they
are dishonoring us. That we understand that God is refining us,
God is building something in us.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
God is purging us.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
God is converting us, and we're not going to allow
dishonor to move us from out of God's presence. Come
on here, somebody, that is where we gotta be. That's
where we got to be. That's where we got to be.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
Come on here. It happens.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
I have been broken, honestly by dishonor broken, and it comes.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
With the territory. How do you think Jesus felt with Judah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
Sitting at the table and he's still preaching, teaching, giving
him the bag, walking with Jesus everywhere he went, and
Jesus still.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Knew, you gonna, you gonna, You're gonna betray me.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
How do you think Jesus handled that scripture? Doesn't give
us much insight on how he felt about it. But
because he's the son of God, and we know that
he loves us, and he loves souls, and he loves the.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
Souls of men so much that he even died for
all of us before we were born.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
So that tells me, that gives me a great insight
that that had to break his heart.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
And so there are things that may happen that may
break your heart.

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
But listen to me, leaders God will put you back
together again. He will send you people who know how
to honor you, who respect the anointing that's on your life,
who know how to follow without fighting, who are not
gonna murmur and complain, who are gonna find out what

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can I do to help push this vision. He will
send those who will love you right back, just like
you love them, and they will be real sons and
real daughters. Come on here, somebody, but there are those
that you have had to go through the suffering so
that God can make you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
Go through the suffering so that He can refine you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
Go through the suffering so that you can get this anointing,
Go through the pruning so that amen, those things hallnlujah
will strengthen you in your spirit man, and you'll be
able to walk boldly with the authority into the places
that God has called you into. That's His heart for you,

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for you, and so you can't quit. Hallelujah. I thank
God for the sons and daughters that the Lord has
blessed me with in this season of my life.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
I appreciate the Lord. I appreciate those.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
That call theyselves sons and daughters, and they really not sons.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
They just members. That's all right. We're waiting on conversion.
It's a part of the territory. It comes with it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
And I often say to people, I can only be
to you what you allow me to be. And when
you tell me who I am, that's where I'm gonna say.
Anybody here know me, know that that's what I say.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
And it only means.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
That I respect the boundaries that you put in place
in our relationship because I love you, and I love
me too, and so and I love God, and so
I want to make sure that I respect whatever boundaries
you put in place. What happens to us when we
don't respect boundaries, we find ourselves toiling in land that

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we've not been called to toil in. And so you
gotta know who you are called to. You gotta know
who you're supposed to, So sede into you gotta know. Amen,
Glory be to God who it is that God has
called you to. And I love y'all too, and I
thank God for every last one of you. And that's
not a sod story. Can I tell you. I'm rejoicing

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because those things have made me. Those things have taught
me life lessons. It has taught me to pray through
even when I didn't feel like praying, And there were
times where all I can do is just sit in
the person of God and just say God, you know, Lord,
you already know God. I don't have no words, you
already know, or just praying tongues for a hour so

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I can just get through in the spirit.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
Come on, come on, come on, God, do it in me.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
Help me, Jesus, help me, to forgive, help me to
let go help me. Lord that when I think about it,
when I see that personal, when I hear that name,
that nothing is going on in here.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
Come on here. That's the will of God. And the
only way that God is gonna get us to that place.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
We have to experience, hurt. I love you and I
thank God for you too. Ain't God good.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
That's the only way that we're gonna grow. We got
to experience this. We got to. You have to.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
This is for your growth, This is for your maturity.
I love you, Babbah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
Oh God, listen, we need this. And I praise God
for an apostle desiree.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
I thank God for it. I'm grateful to the Lord, Hollylujah.
I did not live like I lived in the world
to come over here on God's side and act like
I ain't got no sense. If I gave gave all
of my strength to the enemy out in the street,
I am not coming over here on God's side and
giving God anything less.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
It was hard, Listen, it was hard to make me
quit on anything when I was out in the world.
And now that I'm on.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
God's side and God is on my side, hallelujah, Thank
you Jesus, all the things that the Lord has done
for me and all that he has brought me out
of Baby, I'm harder to shake than a bad cold.
You better believe it. And I mean that thing. I
mean that. Thank God for the bucket, and we've blessed
the Lord.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
We thank God for the bucket.

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
This is my Shavana, Amen, who came to our church
and gave her life to Christ all because of a bucket.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
You've got to hear her testimony.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
God is good and we bless the Lord for his
goodness and his mercy. Hallelujah, hallelujah. I love you, my Heather.
I thank God for you. Listen to me. I pray
that y'all received something tonight. And I know that sometimes
these are hard things to sit in list because you
know we like to glaze things over and that ain't
happening any church.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
Yes it is.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
And God is purging, God is delivering, God is healing.
God is setting us up to be able to walk
worthy of what he has called us to. He's not
just setting us up till we can go take territory
and be great and be grand, honey.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
He also setting us up so that we can walk
worthy of this calling. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
Ain't that right, Ma, Marissa? Yes, it is Amen, Glory
to God.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
He's setting us up. These things are so that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:36):
We can grow and grace it in the knowledge of
the Lord. So if you feel like God has called you,
or even if you're just you just love God, you
in church, whatever, right, and you're experiencing things, you're experiencing
people dishonor you, or people in your family, or people
on your job or whatever, let me tell you something.
God is refining you. He's building himself in you, and

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you gotta parate with God. That's what you gotta do,
y'all need come here for a second.

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You got you gotta cooperate with God.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
You gotta let God do the work in you that
he wants to do.

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In you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
Amen, Amen, and amen Amen. Ms barrels, are you still
in here? Are you watching me online? Can you come
into this.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
Office for a second. Keep asking me that book.

Speaker 1 (01:22:31):
I appreciate, I appreciate the Lord for you. Amen, hallelujah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
Some of you have ordered your books and I am
sending them out. But I want to tell you. Number
fourteen is here.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
Number fourteen is kid the Office of the Prophet. And
listen this. You see this, The Office of the Prophet
is here. This is a manual. Is it a manual? Yes,
it is, and I believe it is a ynga said
thirty chapters. It's thirty The introduction is really thirty two,

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since the introduction and the conclusion is thirty two chapters. Okay,
And we talk about the profits role in deliverance, the
profits connection to angels and heavenly realms, embracing your prophetic destiny,
the profits personal life and spiritual health.

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Common challenges face by profits.

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The profits legacy and influence, the profits community and support systems.
The profits impact on generational blessing and cursing. The profits
responsibility to speak truth. This is the office of the profit.
The profits training and development, The profits connection to the
fivefold ministry. The profits role in antimes. These are all chapters.

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The profits role in intercessory intercession and spiritual warfare. The
profits connection to divine revelation, The profit and the.

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Word of the Lord.

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The Prophet's influence on leadership and governance, The divine burden
or defining the burden of the prophet. The power and
prerogatives of the prophetic office. The Prophet's role in the
Church and society. The Prophet at seer and deserner. Thirty
two chapters.

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With questions. We have questions, we have reflection questions. In
the back.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
There are journal prompts in here, aligning with Gods and
Times agenda. This is here, Amen, Yes, ma'am. It is
available on Amazon. This is number fourteen. Thank you so much,
Apostle Desiree, thank you. I'm so thankful, Heather, I'm so thankful.

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I appreciate the Lord. This is number one in the series.
There is going to be it's gonna be five of these.
There's gonna be Officer of the Apostle.

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I'm doing a.

Speaker 1 (01:25:01):
Five full ministry series and I'm writing manuals for each
of them.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
This is number one, Amen, This is number one. Get this.
You can use it to teach classes.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
And honestly, there's a workbook coming behind it, because you
know I love a workbook, so I'm gonna get a workbook.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
Amen. Going on this. So every thirty days I'm releasing
the book.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
I'm working on a couple of things. So September is
almost over. There's gonna be in October edition. So number
fifteen will be out in October. By God's grace, pray
for me, because I got to get this out of
my spirit, everything that God has given to me. I
got a birth it out and I'm not sitting on
it at least up until December.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
I need to. I need to release one book every month.
And this right here, this ain't this. This is not
a smack honey, this is a meal Number fourteen. Let's
give God praise for number fourteen.

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Amen, Holley Lujah, Glory be to God, and so we
thank God for you. Order your copy on Amazon. It's
twenty four to ninety nine. I believe it is on Amazon.
You can get this, Amen, and get it in your library, study,
read and get what you need from God. Amen through
this resource. Amen, Glory to God. And is scripture, Lad,

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and it's laden with scripture.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
Yet, thank you so much, scholar.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
I love you, I appreciate you. You say, how listen,
I've been reading. I've been apostle. I've been writing, released
in one book every month for the past couple of months.
How because I got behind me.

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You can't see you can't see my books.

Speaker 1 (01:26:42):
My my one of those loosely binders with all of
my notes in it. And I'm compiling my notes and
sending them forth over there to my editor.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
Look, and I'm aligning my chapters and put them together
and say, all right, let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
We got thirty days. We gotta get it done. And
that's what I'm doing. Every thirty days, I'm releasing a book.
I got to I'm sitting on too much. I'm sitting
on too.

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Much, and I gotta get it out. And nobody's gonna
be blessed if I'm holding on to it. So I
got to get it out.

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
So this is number fourteen, and I think we did
three this year so far.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
How many books we did this year so far?

Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
Some of them are not printed on Amazon because I've
did little mini books and different things like that for
some of our courses and things of that nature.

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But they got to get out. So the next manual.

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
Now October's book is not the Apostle Book, but the
next manual will be the Office.

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Of the Apostle. I'm gonna be digging into that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:41):
So get your copy, go on Amazon dot com and
let me read a little bit of this year and
it says, Unlock the power of the Prophetic Office.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
In the Office of the Prophet, Doctor.

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
Franz Stubbs delivers a transformative guide to understanding and operating in.

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The prophetic calling.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
Drawing from Biblical history, modern insights, and teachings from the Scriptures,
This book explores the responsibilities, divine calling, and authority associated
with the office of the Prophet. What you'll discover the
Biblical foundation in historical context of the prophetic office.

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Thank you for that. I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
How to decern and respond to God's call as a prophet,
the rights, responsibilities, and authority that come with the office.
Practical steps to walk in prophetic ministry were confidence engaging
learning activities because they're in here, journal prompts, and reflective
questions to deepen your understanding. All of that is in here.
So whether you're an aspiring profit ministry leader or simply

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curious about the prophetic. This book is your roadmap to
embracing and excelling in this divine assignment. Start your journey today,
So go get your copy right here, right here, come on,
get it all right, So I pregn up the Lord,
bless you and keep you. Those of you who have
ordered Call to Speak, you have copies of that. That

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was number thirteen that came out last month, and I
was behind on.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
Getting books out. Please forgive me those of you who
did your pre orders.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
I got a box of books sitting over there the
Office of the Prophet, So I will be shipping everything tomorrow.
Is got to go out because I'm behind, so and
those of you who need your licenses will be sending
those out as well.

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I pray the Lord bless you and keep you. That's
always my prayer.

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
I pray that you are encouraged, strengthen challenged by the
things that we have shared on tonight, and we will
see you next Tuesday, right here on Tuesday Night Live.
The Courageous Apostolic Woman series. Be blessed, and I look
forward to us gathering together again.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
All right, be blessed you people, be blessed. See you
next time.

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Speech step Active Prrange Act