The Importance of Voting: A Candid Conversation with Matthew Sheffield

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Speaker 3 (03:57):
Well, welcome back. It's sugart you God, It's not me
back on ax name we bridging a podcasts and today
we are politicking. You know, it's it's so funny. My
second dot parut Mike Mike. We had said that we
will never talk about politics on radio or on the
podcast or anything, but I thought it was so important

(04:21):
with this this election, this election has been so important
that I thought we need to do a show, especially
that it's the two weeks away from from us about
two weeks away and I had the privilege to actually
be a guest on Matthew's show Theory Change for that,

(04:41):
so I I you know, I tapped him up on
the shoulder, caught him up and said, Matt.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
I need you.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
I need you because you know, I know our listeners
need to know what's going on in so many misinformation
that's out there, as well as knowing how important your
votes are, how important your voice is. I know it's
a lot of you out there saying, you know, I
don't want to vot, vote, don't nobody get my vote,
you know all of those things that I understand. I
understand where you all are coming from. But I thought

(05:07):
that us here at Akslamy Bridge The Gap podcast, that
we can just you know, at least share a voice
where you guys can hear coming from someone who was
at one time, oh right wing and now he's no
longer all right, So bring it to the stage right now.
Host of Theory Change, Matthew Sheffield, Hey, Matthew, how are.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
You good to be here? Thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
Good good, it's been a while. It's been a while,
it is, yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
But uh, you know, we're getting back to it. So
that's good.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
So that's beautiful, that's beautiful. First, I want to talk
about you know, you came from right right wing and
it's just such a big change from where you are now.
So if you can do us a favor, if you
can just explain how did you get to where you
at give us a little bit of background on your

(06:03):
story of who you are and how you got from
right wing to where you are now with your talk
on Theory Change.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Sure. Yeah, Well, so I was born and raised as
a Mormon fundamentalist, and my parents like it wasn't like
you know, like the prairie dress you know kind of
thing like they were, you know, they wanted the Mormons
to be more strict than they were, so they were
always getting into conflicts with the local leaders. I went

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to nineteen K through twelve schools. One of my brothers
was born in a tent. My mom gave birth to
one of my sisters by herself in an apartment with
two kids right next to her. How it happened, Yeah,
I don't remember that part, thankfully, but nonetheless anyway, so

(06:55):
my dad got into you know, like just really into
all that stuff, you know, kind of he kind of
thought he was like a prophet. That's what they tell
you in Mormonism is that you can be a prophet,
and like it's really messed up and anyway, So I
went to nineteen K through twelve school lived all over
the country, and then eventually I finally graduated from college.

(07:20):
I was working in my family's business. We had a
music We were musicians and I was but it was
not like a rock band or something. We played classical
music and like the von Trapp family singers from the Sound.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
Of Music, famous movie.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Oh yeah, I know it is. It's wild, like people,
it's it's hard to believe. Sometimes people are like, no,
you're making that up, and I'm like, no, it's all real. Seriously. Anyway,
So eventually I got out of all that stuff. Because
I was like, eh, I just I don't think it's real.
I don't think it's real and it's not true. So
I left that, but I was still right wing and

(07:59):
I still probably and was like a non religious Republican.
So I went. I moved to DC and I started
internet consulting business political campaigns for Republicans. I made a
whole bunch of different websites and worked on campaigns. You know,
had multiple sites with millions and millions of readers and viewers,

(08:21):
and I got enough experience under my belt. So I
started thinking, well, I'm going to write a book to
help people learn Republicans how to be better at politics
and serve the public better. And then in the middle
of writing the book, I was like, holy shit, they
don't want to serve the public. They're not interested in
public service, They're interested in public obedience. Me and I

(08:42):
had to get the hell out. And that was right
before Trump came along. And then you know, all the
shit hit the fan right after I got out.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
Oh wow, yeah, oh wow, Because that was going to
be my next question. Well, let's go to here now,
understanding your perspective through your journey you have taken from
right wing commentary to advocating for more nuanced political discussions.
So what prompted the shift in your perspective and how
do you think the impact voter engagement?

Speaker 2 (09:16):
How would that impact voter engagement? You mean in what way?
In what way?

Speaker 3 (09:21):
And more of Okay, because so you just shared with us,
is that it was more of to be controlling and
dominating for you coming from right white ring and what
you believe in to now coming from there. What do
you think that our listeners can know from that transition
from from there to there to make them understand more

(09:43):
or why it's important for them to place they vote.
Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Okay, yeah, yeah, I see, yeah. Well yeah, So like
one of the one of the i'd say the core
tricks of that the Republican Party and these far right
Christians are planning on, especially on men, is that they
tell them we want we are the party of freedom,
but in fact they're the party of control. Like the

(10:10):
Republican Party literally right now in multiple states, they're trying
to criminalize porn. They want to make it illegal so
you cannot have it and like and like and and
and they're trying to do it under the guys of
Oh well, we're protecting the children. But then behind closed
doors in their Project twenty twenty five stuff, they are

(10:31):
literally saying, oh, that's just it's just a trick. We're
just saying that in public. But we're seriously coming and
we're going to get rid of it all. And like
Donald Trump when he was the president, he talked about
how he was gonna criminalize violent video games because he
was like, that's why we have have mass shootings, it's
because of video games. And he doesn't want you to

(10:51):
pay attention to the fact that those saying video games,
they're in Japan, they're in Europe, they're in Africa. People
don't have those problems in the in those places, we don't.
They don't have them because they don't have the guns.
And that's what it comes down to is that they're
they want to they want to impose their agenda on
everybody else, and they you know, like and JD. Vance
is always talking about, you know, if you don't have kids,

(11:11):
you're a psychopath and you're you know, like there's there's
something wrong with you if you if you don't want
to have them, like these these people want to control
your lives every which way and it's like people need
to realize that.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Mmmm, you know the importance of voting. This is something
that I talk about, you know, at home with my
family and stuff like that. But in your opinion, why
is voting crucial in today's political climate, especially for our
younger generation who may feel delusional with the system.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Well, you know what it is. It is fair to
feel that way because you know, in a lot of
ways people are not paying attention. But here's the thing.
If you stay home and you don't participate, that's the
you are guaranteed to have nobody listen to what you
have to say. Like, that's that's you. You can't if
you walk away from a discussion. So in other words,

(12:05):
let's just compared to like a conversation if you're out there,
you know, with your friends hanging out and you know,
some new people come up and your friend goes and
talks to them and ignores you. Is if you want
to participate in that conversation, you don't just leave. You
go into the circle and you start talking to That's
what you do. And that's the same thing with voting. Like,

(12:26):
you know, for a long time, people who were you know,
like there was serious discrimination against people who were lesbian
or gay or bisexual, you know, and and rather than
just walking away, they said, no, we're gonna we're going
to stand up for ourselves and we're going to participate.
And now you know, we got we got same sex marriage,
like it should be just legal as as for heterosexual

(12:48):
So what I'm saying, yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Right, So question since is now is very important. This
has been a shift within the past few days on
how important black men boats are, how important black men
boths are for you having that upfront and kind of

(13:10):
understanding and knowing from the right wing of what their
agendas are, well at least what their agendas was back
then with those agendas still support on what it is
for black men America. And that goes on both sides
because we heard what Kamala Harris said, you know before,
and we really hadn't heard with what Trump has been saying,

(13:30):
you know, we really haven't heard his policies. So for you,
knowing that you've done the research for the policies for
both Trump and Kamala Harris, in your opinion, which one
is truly the best one for black men?

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Oh, Kamala Harris, Sorry, Kamala Harris, No question I mean,
and the reason being that so, like I'll tell you
like it is, the Republican Party is out there delivered
trying to get black men not to vote like that
is their strategy is to get black men to stay
home to be disillusioned because you know, they they they

(14:10):
they don't have anything to offer it. I mean, like
they they want to talk about all the economy was
better under trump Man. Barack Obama gave him that economy
that he before COVID, and then he destroyed it because
he's screwed all so screwed up so badly during COVID.
And guess who was dying because of his stupidity in COVID.

(14:31):
It was black men who were dying because of COVID
because of all those you know, misinformation He was telling people,
you know about that if you drink bleach, you know
you're gonna get you're gonna get better from COVID and
you don't have to take the vaccine and all that bullshit.
I can say that I'm here right, but you know,

(14:53):
and and and but it's it's like they actually do, though,
spend money to like it out misinformation to black men,
to lie about Kamala Harris and and you know, and
and they're you know, they don't want people to know
that that's what they're doing. Like they even will pay
and this is real. You can look it up in Arizona.

(15:14):
In sorry, in Florida, they paid a bunch of of
of Hispanic and black people to run as fake progressive
candidates who didn't like Democrats, and they marketed them with flyers,
you know, like well, actually one of them was a
white woman. They they made flyers for this white woman,
and all the flyers were black people. In the flyers

(15:37):
they wanted black and they sent them to black people's
houses to convince them that, you know, that this woman
who they had set up and paid for was a
black and also was for them, like it is, like
it's almost unbelievable. But actually I'll look up this woman's
name here while you mute my mic here if you
don't mind, you know.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
What this this is my thing, and you know, this
is where it gets frustrating that can you just Mike,
this is where it gets frustrating for me at and
I don't know if my listeners and viewers will and
also you doctor Mike, Mike, is that that is where
the mistrusts come from of the government completely with both parties.

(16:20):
You understand what I'm saying, because there's so so much
misinformation when people tell us to go look things up
and we go look things up, or things have been
sent to our home and stuff like that that are
that are wrong or lives, and it's like, how do
we do this? How can we get to where we
need to be as a country. You understand what I'm saying.

(16:41):
And it's like they just planning our face? Is everybody
just planning in our face?

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Right?

Speaker 2 (16:47):
I mean, you're absolutely right. It's like, where can we
find a truth that you know?

Speaker 6 (16:51):
They put up the internet ad, they put up social
media ads, they send all these flyers and anybody can
make a campaign on social media online because you don't
take much, and you can fill it with lives because
it's nobody checking.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah yeah, well yeah, and in fact, that is the goal,
that actually is the goal to put so so Steve Bannon,
who is like Donald Trump's you know, right hand man,
he explicitly said in an interview one time, our goal
is to flood the zone with shit to make everything.
I'm dead. Seriously, y'all can look it up. It's right there.

(17:29):
It's all over the internet, like he said it. And
basically the goal was to put out so much bullshit
and nonsense that they just make everybody confuse and so
you don't know what reality is. And like that's why,
you know, I do recommend that people get you know,
find hot national news organizations and that's where you get
your news from. Because yeah, like like you said, you know,

(17:50):
people can just throw up any kind of bullshit on
social media. Now, you know, with the AI, people can
make fake videos and fake photos, and like that's why
you know it may sense to be turning over to
you know, NBC or CNN or ABC or something like that,
because you know that those are professionals that aren't gonna
are not going to get scanned like this. But just

(18:11):
to circle back to the thing I said, though, I'm
gonna give you everybody the name of the woman. So
her name is Justine Ayanati. That's j E S t
I N E I A N N O T t I.
And she was a fake candidate to set up by
Republicans to trick black people into Florida.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
No, I don't even understand why even do that. Well,
because they votes away from the Democrats.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
That's right. Yeah, they were telling black people, don't vote
for the Democrat, vote for me because I like you
more uh than this other than the Democrat does, and
that's why they were sending those things out. So yeah,
you sound like you were going to say that though, Mike,
that is so offensive.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
It's so offensive that they believe that black people are
this stupid, Like seriously, you know, I I do, And
why I dislike talking politics is because I am one
of those people that are is very very passionate about
what I believe in and it's not particularly the person,

(19:14):
but it's about the value or the situation of what's
happening right now or what's needed. So when I hear
people and you can vote for who you want to
vote for, but could you sit back and just really
pay attention to what's been going on? You understand one's saying,
like what this person is actively doing with their mouth,

(19:34):
what they have shown you are just what they've shown you.
And I guess for me as a black woman, for me,
this is a very historic election because there is a
woman of color, a black woman, that is a candidate,
even though she didn't so called get voted into like
we put.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
But she was.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
She was voted as vice president and from then when
the president stepped down, he moved her into that that
position to be able to you know, get in there.
She got all the delegates from it. We saw it all.
So I guess this is my question to you, is
this is this and this when people say this, like really, Naomi, Yes,

(20:15):
I'm gonna say this, has this election not only become
racist but sexist more than anything?

Speaker 2 (20:26):
I mean I think definitely. Yeah, Like and it I mean,
and he started it right off the bat when he
was trying to, you know, just deride Kamala Harris as beautiful.
I mean, you know, and she is beautiful, Like it's
fair to say that. But obviously there's plenty of women
that are beautiful and smart president company, including uh and

(20:47):
so you know, like it's but yeah, but but and
then they're like spreading all these rumors about like, oh,
she didn't have a political career because of you know,
she got with Willie Brown. And it's like, even if
that was true, that's like one local office in San
Francisco thirty years ago, you're gonna say she's gonna let
she's gonna dine out off of that for thirty years

(21:10):
and how politics works, man, And like you know, I
live in LA and she's from San Francisco. Man, we
don't give a ship with the people in San Francisco
who were there voting for it. Like we do our
own thing down here, right.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
And the thing is this for me, is that the constant,
the constant. She's not qualifying. That's the one big thing.
She's not qualified. But when Trump came into office, he
wasn't qualified either. He was literally a businessman. He was

(21:43):
a great businessman at that time doing business.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Oh hell, he wasn't a good businessman. But I'll let
you continue, go ahead. I said he was a terrible
businessman as a well.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
We didn't know that then. We didn't know that. We
knew Donald Trump. We knew Donald Trump from he shows it.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
The Apprentice, So we didn't know there was a life.
Yeah right, you're right, Yeah, you were right. But in retrospect, yeah,
it's all come out since then. The dude, he lost
over a billion dollars over a ten year spent lost
money every single year.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
The I R.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
S said he was lost more money than almost any
other American during that time period. The Apprentice saved his
ass he would be on the street basically because of
how shitty of a businessman he is. But yeah, we
didn't you know a lot of people didn't know that
back in the day. And and you're absolutely right, Maryomi
that you know his I mean, he wasn't qualified, like

(22:39):
even he had no experience of any kind in political office.
And you know, here you have common ears who've been
the motherfucking viance president for three years, three and a
half years already. Like that right there, you know qualifies
you one thing. But then number two. You know, then
she was a senator before that, and then she was
the uh the attorney general for the the biggest state

(23:01):
in the Union. Like you cannot you know, it's almost
impossible to get more qualified than Kamala Harris. Like that's
that's the reality. Yeah, but because she's a woman. Yeah,
but because she's a woman, you know, they don't have
any respect for that. And they're like, she slept her
way to the top. And it's like I'd like to see,
you know, you try that. Uh you know, it's like

(23:23):
you go and look at some of these you know
Republicans like uh, you know, like these Fox News hosts,
they didn't they're not sleeping their way into political office.
They're on TV because they're dumb as rocks and nobody's
gonna elect them to nothing. And so that's where they are,
you know, like whereas she's smart and you just listen, like,
she's very articulate, she knows what she's talking about. And

(23:46):
she kicked Red Beara's ass when the Fox News guy
that when she was on.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
Yes, yeah, yeah, you know, honestly, And I'm gonna be real.
I hadn't been into politics really, I think, And I'm
just gonna be honest.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Oh are you talking that?

Speaker 3 (24:00):
Well, yeah I did. I told you that, I think
the very first time, and I'm gonna be honest with
my audience. So the very first time that I voted
is when I voted for Barack Obama. That was the
very first time that I voted. And then you know,
when he came in, it came in, and then it
was Hillary Clinton, and I was so excited for that
because I remember when her husband was in office. I

(24:20):
ain't gonna lie I was living good when Clinton was
in office.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
I was there when you were in the industry. That
was when I wasn't in.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
The industry yet. No, no, I was working a nine
to five. I was a career stayed out a different
way because when you say career, I had.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Oh, okay, what was what were you doing? What was that? Huh?
You want you want to what was what were you doing?
I don't, I don't remember you that part when when
Clinton was the president.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
You have to go back and you got to go
back in and hear it.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
You got to go back to your own Okay, okay,
I guess so well your audience.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
But you know, but when I saw when you're the
whole thing with with Trump and and Hillary Clinton, I
really thought that she was going to be a true
winner in until you know, the little scandal came with
the emails and stuff like that, and I was like, oh, okay,
this is going to change everything. But then I was,

(25:29):
and I'm gonna be honest with you, I was ready
to be like, Okay, well let's see how this businessman.
Let's see how this businessman might run it. It might
be a different look, not political, but business. So it
might work. Because remember at that time, none of us
knew that his business wasn't on point. We all thought
that his business was great. So I was I'm no lie.

(25:52):
After she lost, we found out she lost, I was like, okay,
let's see what don I'm gonna do. Let's let's see
because hey, you were a fan, like, Okay, he's getting ready.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
To really be something different.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Yeah, yeah, there's something different. And I guess when I
when he started talking and started doing and start not
doing and doing, I was like, wow, like I am
so hmm.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah, I just believed that he didn't think he was
gonna win. He didn't actually and nothing right and.

Speaker 6 (26:30):
Once he won and he's seen what it really was.
He took advantage of the power because I think that's
when he be trying to come, you know, a dictator
and run everything into the whole you know that his
whole persona change. It wasn't about business. It's about the
more power I can gain opposed to what I can

(26:52):
do for the country.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Right well, yeah, I mean it's also he was, you know,
trying to I mean he's been trying to non stop
line his pockets off of people. You know, like now
you know, now he's got all this bullshit that he's
trying to sell people. You know, he's got a he's
got a cryptocurrency. Now he's got his NFT trading cards,
like which is have him all these poses being all

(27:13):
Muscley and said of the big lard ass that he
really is. And uh uh you know I'm right though,
but you know, like it's just all these fantasies, Like
he sells these fantasies to people, and now he's got
he's selling people's shoes. I mean, what, who the hell
is selling people's shoes as a politician, Like get the
hell out of here. Uh and and you know, like

(27:36):
selling now he's selling to watch to people. I mean
like this is all a fucking scam man, That's what
it is. And and you know, like he tries to
hold all these events at his hotels so he can
make the Secret Service put money in his pocket because
people don't want to go to his hotels anymore. So
he's like, oh, I'm going to get the money from
the taxpayer. And you know that's it's all. It's all

(27:56):
just you know, like at this point, he's just trying
to get out of jail. Like that why he's running
because he did everybody knows he did all the crimes,
like you know, leaving the documents in the freaking bathroom,
a public restroom he left top secret documents in a
fucking toilet area, that's what he did. And yeah, yeah,

(28:18):
oh yeah, yeah, like what it's some secrets, not that.
Oh now, if it's for real and it's in the
jack Smith, you look in the Jack Smith a document
case indictment of him. They said they took pictures of
the documents piled up in a bathroom with a toilet

(28:39):
and the sink right there.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
Oh my goodness. So why is it that people are
not listening to this? Well, I mean, why do they
not listen to this? Read this? Do they think this
is all fake news? Do they think that it's all
I'm not understanding any of this. I'm not understanding. I'm
not understanding why. Yeah, yeah, I just cannot.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah, no, hey, that is that's a very fair question.
But that's why they don't. The Trump and the Republicans.
They don't want you to pay attention. Like so many people,
they don't pay attention, and you know, and like I
mean it, and it's hard, you know sometimes, you know,
we all have busy lives, and you know, you're busting
your ass on your job because you know, you're you know,

(29:23):
you're getting a ship salary, so you got to work
two or three jobs. Like I get that, you know,
like if it's that, it can be hard to pay
attention to all this stuff. But I mean, you know,
and like that goes back to the flood the zone
with shit, you know, like they just put out so
much stuff going on that you can't keep up with it.
And then you know, and then so all these things
that he did, you know, I mean, like again like

(29:43):
on January sixth, his supporters, you know, invading the Capitol,
trying to kill the vice president, trying to kill Nancy Pelosi.
This dude sits on his ass for three hours, watches
TV and does nothing. Yeah, and his people are like, sir,
can you please call the National Guard? Can you please
call the police? Can you fucking do something? Can you

(30:04):
tell them to go home? He ignores them, go away,
don't talk to me, Like that's yeah, this is is
seriously fucked up. And Naomi, you're you are not wrong
to be upset about that, Like people they you know,
he wants you to forget all the ship that he
did and all the bullshit that he hold because it's
a lot.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
It's a lot, wow, you know, it's so many things
that is about the project twenty twenty five, and I
know they were saying that he was a part of it,
and then you hear him say that, no, he don't
know nothing about it. But I guess his cabinet or
the people that works with him that's under his leadership,
that he is a part of it. But he doesn't know,

(30:46):
you know, everything that goes into it. But you know,
what I've been seeing on the internet is actually going
to change, you know, a lot of our freedom, you know,
of things, especially women. They've already started to do as is,
to tell us to what to do with our bodies
and how we can do with our bodies. Someone just
passed away a few months ago or a few weeks ago,

(31:09):
that she had a pregnancy and miscarried and she wanted
a child. But then they had to do a d
n C, which is called and he didn't do it
all the way and they wouldn't allow him to go
in and do it again, and so this woman died.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, so what is that?

Speaker 1 (31:29):
That?

Speaker 3 (31:29):
That murder on who? For who?

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah, on the state, that's who it is. That's who
it's is, and you know, and like and I think
for guys, you know, obviously that's not something that we're
at risk for. But you know, you got to you
got to think about your your your sisters, or your
cousins or your daughters. Yeah, like whatever, you know, you
got We all have women in our lives who that

(31:56):
that would be effective on this And right now, you know,
I think it's like one third of American women right
now they're at risk from this stuff in the states
that they live, like you live in Texas. Like they're
talking about having monitoring women's periods to make sure they
didn't have an abortion. I am not I'm not bullshitting here,

(32:18):
like they're actually talking this is this It's it's tyranny.
That's what it is. That's what it is. And and
they yeah, like and I have to say, like on
the Project twenty twenty five stuff that I have to
give a huge amount of credit to Raji p Henson
because she's the one that put this on the map. No,

(32:39):
you know, most people had never heard of this. When
she was getting an award at the BET Awards, she
was like, hey, hey, y'all, you got to pay attention
to this. Look it up because it's serious and it's
coming for you. And you know, she she was the
one that put it on the map. And I'm really
gret glad she did.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
Yeah, me too. Is it so many things from you know, shit,
our history, the real history of what it is. They're
trying to just you know take everything out of the schools.
But they already started that, you know when it comes
to you know, black America, you know, ethnic anything that's
ethnic that is not of what they fill America. But
that's it was a melting pot. I thought, that's.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Yeah, well yes, I mean it all comes back to that.
So like the Republican Party, you know, it used to be,
you know, a kind of a normal conservative party for
you know, up until like the Tea Party. Like that's
you know, if it was a normal, pretty normal party
up to that point. I mean they had some you know,
more conservative ideas, uh than what I hold now. But

(33:42):
you know, they weren't trying to lock people up for
having uh you know, having an abortion and you know,
let eleven year old who was raped by her relative
have to bury his child. Like they weren't doing that.
But the Tea Party came in and like those people
or like so they're all part of this. This idea

(34:03):
is set called Christian nationalism. And basically it's like they've
got this very strict, you know, almost Confederate flavored version
of Christianity and that's what they want everybody to abide by.
And you know they don't they don't care if you
don't like it. They don't care.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
And like all the stuff about the book bannings and censorships,
like they don't want people to know the history. They
don't want and they literally said these these books are
wrong because they make people feel like that they did
something wrong. And that's bullshit. Like you know, if you're
if you're a white person alive right now, you had
nothing to do with slavery. Like there that is a lie.

(34:42):
And like nobody who is white feels bad, like personally
guilty for slavery because you didn't do it, like you
weren't there. We weren't there, nobody, you know. And but
but they lie to people and like and it's and
it's so funny because they always talk about all you know,
liberal snowflakes this and that, and it's like you guys
are nothing but hurt feelings, like crying all the time.

(35:03):
I mean, Donald Trump whines about it. Oh, it's all
unfair everybody's mean to me, I persecuted and all this,
and it's like, man, you're just a fucking whiner, that's
all you are. And you want to and you want
to get back at everybody.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Right, So let's let's go back to what you just said.
I just want to want to ask this question. Do
you think it's more not guilt but embarrassment for whites
to know what their ancestors have done to black communities,
to the blacks, to slavery, to all of that, and
knowing that has it really changed a lot?

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Uh? I mean, I actually think for them it's the
like especially they don't want you people to know about
reconstruction because like that was when you know, things actually
were getting like we actually we stepped back from from
the good direction things are going in reconstruction, Like they
don't want people to know about that. But it's also

(35:59):
that they don't they want people to have like and
they literally believe this, I'm not kidding. They literally believe
that like George Washington or James Madison, like they were
anointed by God to create the Constitution. I am not
making this up. They think that that's what it is.
And so if you are saying, oh, well, you know
they put the two you know, the three fifths clause

(36:21):
and slavery and all that stuff, and that was awful
and they shouldn't have done that. You know, that to
them is like religious blasphemy, you're or slandering their profit
or whatever, you know, and it's all bullshit because you know,
like you look at the Founding fathers, like George Washington.
You know, he actually in his lifetime, he never you know,

(36:43):
he stopped taking the Communion on Communion Sundays because he
was like, I don't believe in that. So he never
went to church on Communion Sunday because he was like,
that's nonsense. I don't I'm not down for that. James Madison,
like all these Founders, like they didn't even believe the
Bible was real, Like Thomas Jefferson literally took the Bible

(37:03):
and like the New Testament and just took the words
of Jesus and took all the story out because he
thought it was made up. It's called the Jefferson Bible
because he was like, I like the words of Jesus
what he was saying, but all these stories are not true.
So obviously these dudes are not out there like fundamentalist Christians.
They thought it was bullshit and so you know, but

(37:28):
that's the kind of they don't want people to know
their real history. And you know, like they don't want
them to know about, you know, like the full legacy
of Martin Luther King Jr. Who was I mean, Martin
Luther King MLK was a socialist. They don't want you
to know that.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
And you know, they don't want you to know that
when he was killed, he was out there protesting with
some sanitation workers in Memphis because they were trying to
get higher wages for themselves. And it was like, that's
that's what he was doing when he died, you know,
because he did get the civil right, he got what
he wanted on race, and so he was like, well,

(38:04):
now we're going to work on labor and getting people
higher wages. And you know, the publicans don't want you that,
like in this and here's another here's another true story.
In the city of Saint Louis, they raised the minimum
wage above the Missouri state minimum wage. Republicans in this
in the legislature in Missouri, they lowered the minimum wage.

(38:24):
They passed to be able to say no Saint Louis.
You can't do that. We're going to lower the wage
in Saint Louis back to what it was. And it's
just yeah, like it's almost it is. They're so horrible
that it's almost unbelievable. But you need to believe it
because they're coming for you no matter who you are.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
Well, it's just it's just so you know, it's it's
so crazy. You know when I when I think about
their slogans, make America great Again? What does that mean?
What does that mean? What does that mean? For all
of them? Mayora, all of them?

Speaker 2 (39:01):
You know, when when was it great? When was it
great again? You know they're like, oh, the nineteen fifties,
And it's like, huh, I wonder what black people thought
about the nineteen fifties.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
Right, like really exactly, like really, yeah, So we're gonna
do this. We're gonna take a quick break and then
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All right. Well, welcome back to ax leven Bridge and Podcast.
I'm your host, Namibanks, and I am here with Matthew
chef Field. He is the host of Theory Change. So
tell us more about Theory Change. How did you come
up with that? You know what, I'm done with right
wing I'm about to go do me a podcast. How
did you come up with that?

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Well, it's so that's another long story. But basically, so
I was working in TV and DC, producing two TV
internet TV shows for The Hill dot com, and I
was also making public opinion surveys so polls and writing

(41:49):
about them as well. But my boss, he was, unbeknownst
to me, Donald Trump's Ken Pale basically, and he he
drafted me and some of my colleagues to make a
story for him, which actually ended or help him make
a story, like we didn't do that much, but he

(42:11):
when he got impeached the first time my boss was
involved with the story that Donald Trump had Rudy Giuliani
going after Hunter Biden. So after that happened to me,
I was like, holy shit. I said, I was going
to stop the right wing media stuff, and here I
am doing it by accident. I got to get the

(42:32):
hell out.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
And so.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
I quit that job and moved out to California and
started work on my memoir about all those about you know,
all those experiences, and I started a podcast, and you know,
and and and part of doing Theory of Change was
that I wanted to, you know, talk about politics, but
I also realized that, you know a lot of this

(42:55):
stuff is interconnected and in ways that people don't always
so you know, like you know talking about uh, you know,
so politics and science and and and sex. You know,
like like that's why I had you on my show,
is that, you know, like people in the national political media,
you know, they just pretend that nobody's nobody's doing this right,

(43:19):
and you know, and it's like this is this is
you know, this is people's lives here, like this is
a part of our lives and and we needed to
talk about it. And you know, like and why I'm
I'm a fan of your show is that you know,
you are out there giving positive and thoughtful advice to people,
unlike you know, a lot of these other people that
are just trying to get people angry and upset, and

(43:42):
you know, and especially to be hateful toward women, and uh,
you know and and and so yours. You know what
you're doing here is so I like that. You know,
I stumbled on your show and uh, and I was like,
oh man, that's uh, that's a great thing. I love
what she's doing. I'm going to reach out to her.
And that's how we got in touch.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
Thank you, Thank you for that. I like that, you know.
The interview was great. I had fun doing it. And
in the beginning I was nervous because I said, you know,
and I told you, I said, I am not nowhere
near political at all. I was like, I am truly
ignored when it comes to politics, experient when it comes
to politics. And I remember having that conversation with you,

(44:24):
but I knew that. I knew that I was going
to need for you to come on this show just
so we can talk and spill. And you know, you
you you shared a lot of Secrets's a lot of
things that I didn't know. You know, I read a
lot of things. I do a lot of research and
read a lot of things. But also when you're reading
all of that stuff, and I know some of our listeners,
it gets so it makes your head hurt because you're like,

(44:47):
oh my god, is this stuff really happening? Like who
are truly the criminals? But can we be real like
who truly are the criminals?

Speaker 2 (44:56):
M yeah, oh yeah, yeah, well no, and like I mean, well,
I mean, hell, that's why Trump's got thirty four building
any convictions and he's still and he's got more coming
down the pipe. But yeah, I mean, like that's I mean,
that is the thing. Like they want to have a
system where the rich and the powerful never get held

(45:19):
accountable for their crimes and everybody else down below gets
put in jail for all this bullshit, you know, and
you know, and like they're like Ron de Santis in Florida,
like right now, he like there's a there's a ballot
initiative in Florida. If you live in Florida, like you
definitely should make sure you come out and vote, because

(45:40):
he got a ballot initiative to legalize marijuana. In Florida
and Ronda Santa Is to try to keep that off
the ballot because he's against that. He wants people to
not be allowed to smoke weed. Uh, And like that's
that's what these people are. Like, That's what goes back
to what I was saying, Like they want to control you.
That's their agenda. And they want, you know, if you're

(46:00):
not the sort of you know, white Confederate Christian you know,
then then they're going to you know, bully you and
do whatever they want to, Like that's the objective and
to control you.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
It's so interesting that you would think, and I'm just
being real when I say this, you would think that
every ethnic group will be like looking and paying attention
and seeing everything that is happening. And it's like, no,
they're not seen anything. They're not hearing, they're not seeing.
I don't I don't know what it is. It's like

(46:34):
it's like plain as day. It's like we literally saw
everything that happened on January sixth, Like we saw that
in real time, happened in front of our eyes for
hours and hours. Didn't know what would happen to our
government period when that happened. I wonder you know, and
I hate to say this because I was a fan
of Donald Trump's and you know, when I was younger,

(46:56):
and you know, coming up, you know, as a businesswoman's
trying to do my thing, and it was just so
missed for just just to see all of this just
happen right in front of my in front of my eyes,
Like this is some stuff that you will read in
the history books. You understand what I'm saying. And so
when you see that and you see this person still
standing up there possibly win again, not on the merits

(47:20):
of what he did or didn't do, you know, or anything.
To me, it looks like we're not voting for this
black woman, or we're not voting for this woman. Doesn't
make the difference she if she qualifies or not. They
want to make it. Well, she's not a black, She's
not black. That was the thing. Now is she stupid?

(47:42):
How is she stupid? This woman was an attorney, she
was she was a general. Like, I'm not understanding any
of this.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Well, well yeah, I mean here's the thing. Their idea
is they don't care whether they make sense or not.
Like they would just say anything to put down in
people's mind, to manipulate them like, you know, like because
like they'll they'll be and they do it with Joe
Biden too, you know, like they'll talk about him, you know,

(48:11):
being completely see now and you know, almost in the hospital.
But then at the same time, he's also running a
criminal mastermind scheme with China and his son. It's like
it doesn't work that way, guys. You know, none of
both of those things can't possibly be true. And of
course the reality is that neither one of those things
are true, but they don't care. Like it's all about,

(48:32):
you know, just feeling people with whatever ideas can can
tickle their prejudices or their you know, or there or
the ego. I mean, you know, like so like you know,
for instance, I mean, yeah, it's like, you know, Donald
Trump likes to tell little jokes or something to make
you think that he's your you know, you're that you're
in on the joke. You're in on the joke with him,

(48:53):
wink wink, you know. And and it's like that's what
all con artists do right before they get go for
your wallet, is they tell you a little joke and
then they take you. And that's what he does, Like
Jonald Trump is just he's just a red, plain old
comment like and you know, that's that's why all these
you know, scammy televangelists, people that are all taking all

(49:16):
these people's money, they love him like back, you know,
back in the day when he was running in twenty sixteen,
all those people like Ted Cruz More or like the
you know, like the regular evangelicals like Ted Crews more
except for the televangelist creeps. Those people love him Trump
because he is just like them, you know. And uh,

(49:38):
that's that's what it's about. And you know, and like
so for so they'll say whatever, you know, so like
some so to some you know, they'll say to man, oh,
you can't vote for her. She's a woman. They'll say
to uh, you know, they'll say to an Indian person, Ol,
you can't vote for her, she's black. They'll say to
a black person, oh, you can't vote for her, she's
not black. Uh, you know, and and they and it

(50:01):
doesn't matter, like they don't they'll just it. You know,
they've they've got they always got another line for you
to believe. And that's why you can't trust them to
tell the truth. I mean Donald Trump, you know, he
like he got so angry when that debate that he
had with her. You you watch that right now? Okay, okay,
So like when he was going on about you know,

(50:22):
that bullshit about eating cats and dogs like that was
just total lie and everybody knew it, including him. He
knew it wasn't true.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
And you know, and then when the the moderator was like, well,
actually we talked to the city manager and they said
nothing like that's happening, he was like, wow, how dare
you you know, try to correct me? And then Jdvans,
you know, he did like they don't they don't want
to have to be fact checked because they don't have
the facts. That's what it comes down to.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
You what even with that?

Speaker 6 (50:54):
I mean, don't you think that was just a big
distraction as well because people talked about that and the
people for Trump approach that's all they can take and
run on because they don't believe anything different.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Uh yeah, well it is uh, I mean, it is
a ploy, a distraction employe because yeah, they they know
that that's not happening, but they want people to think
about immigration and to be afraid of, you know, of
the foreigner. Like that's there, that's the Ploye and you know,
and like and and the reality is, you know, the
people who are living there in Springfield, they you know,

(51:29):
they like the Haitians. You know that they made the
property values go up, They made people have more jobs
because they're buying all this stuff. You know, like they
got the money, you know, some based money from the
federal government. You think they're poking in it and saving
it away, squirreling away in their mattress. Now hell no,
they're spending it in that community like they were helped

(51:51):
by death.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Not well, you know, well, we have a caller on
the line. We had a caller, Yes we do, all right, Hello.

Speaker 7 (52:02):
Hello there, hello thereon Naomi Bangs and how might this
is just Aph Tanner alive and well survived Hurricane Milton
to a certain that the person you're talking about, certain
whiny little bitch refuses to do ship about it, who
I don't fucking want in Florida because of his fucking

(52:27):
bullshit lies, including him saying the Haitians are eating the
cats and dogs.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
Well, welcome back to Joseph.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
I didn't really.

Speaker 7 (52:40):
See mac And if he dare fucking even thinks of
grabbing your I'm sorry for saying this pussy or India's pussy.
I'm gonna fucking curse him straight the fucking you know what.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
I miss you too, Joseph, and I'm glad to hear
that that you're safe, that you.

Speaker 7 (53:15):
I'm just uh, which I hope be heard again. Answer
response from Matthew gets failed about that, even though whether
you're he never met the person that he said on

(53:37):
the Excess Hollywood that he grabbed her by the pussy
or saying that bullshit, you can do anything thing. I
just kiss him and kiss him and when you're famous,
they let you do it. You can do anything, grab
them by the pussy. I'm sorry for saying that.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
You kind of sound just like him.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
We listen to.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
So do you have a question for Matthew?

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (54:10):
Yes, uh person, My question is to you all, do
you think he belongs in behind fucking bars where they
can fucking rape his ass?

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Jo I'll say, I definitely think he should be in prison.

Speaker 7 (54:33):
I'm sorry for saying that, but he deserves to have
his asked rape and rape.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
Okay, Joseph. All right, Joseph, So we're gonna we're gonna
let you go on that. No, baby, but thank you
for calling in. All right, you're welcome, all right by Joseph.
All right, people, but thank you. Actually, I'm just so comforted.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
So I actually do have I actually do have a
couple of Trump's stories though where I personally uh was
in the room with him or dealt with people who
work for him. If you want to hear that, I'll
spill some more of the gossip he if you want
to hear that, right.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Well, let's let's take this. Let's take this. Okay, this call,
and then we can as long as it's gonna get
me flags.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
On our systems.

Speaker 6 (55:29):
Said that, what's that?

Speaker 2 (55:36):
What's going on?

Speaker 8 (55:38):
Your shoutouts to Joseph, y'ol. Like anybody that speaks their
mind and speak their true opinions.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
I always respect that.

Speaker 7 (55:45):
Yo.

Speaker 8 (55:47):
Now, how y'all doing today?

Speaker 3 (55:49):
What's haden? Man? We're doing good? We're doing good, That's
what I see. We talk of politics today, Yes, we're politics.
Probably the only time that we talked about this another year.

Speaker 8 (56:00):
Right, all right, But since we've known't talking politics, I
got a question because you know, I'm heavily into music.
I love my rap music, and I want to know
when it comes to like violence and crimes when it
comes when it's in America. But it's like the percent
racial you think like rappers and entertainers should take when

(56:22):
it comes to that, because it's a lot of these
kids that do what they do because of the music
they listen to. And I was wondering, like how like
the percent level, It's like, how responsible do you think
these entertainers should be when it comes to that?

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Oh wow, Well, I mean you can't. It's a thing
that you can't really measure. I mean, that's what it
comes down to, because like you can't you can't really
know what's in people's brains when they're doing something at
that at a given moment, so you know, or it
could be even like you could be a fan of
somebody and you know, you go out and do something,

(56:58):
but you weren't thinking about it when you did it,
So like that doesn't it's it's basically impossible to measure.
But I mean I would say, uh that you know,
like all these I mean these songs they're played all
over the world. Man, they're you know, they're they're they're
popular in South America and Europe and Africa, you know, Asia,

(57:20):
and you know, I mean the one common to circle
back to something I said. You know, like a lot
of these crimes, especially gun crimes, like the problem is
too many guns, Like that's that's that's the problem. It's
not it isn't the music, you know, or like because
like a lot of times people U Republicans are trying
to blame you know, like they try to blame porn

(57:43):
for various things and and and that's bullshit too because
you know, people are looking at that everywhere around the world,
and you know, it's it's just not I don't it's
not really related. I don't think or you couldn't prove
in any way the US say.

Speaker 8 (57:57):
So US say is rappers for as white kids is
like out doing what they're doing basically is not their fault.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
I mean again, yeah, people, if you look in like
books and literature, people there were bad, bad characters and
books and literature that everybody, right, Yeah, so like and
people were committing crimes back then, just you know, just
like they do today. So I mean, but you know,
at the same time, I think, you know, obviously some
rappers that are literally committing crimes, like those dudes are

(58:28):
very obviously responsible for crimes that they commit or that
they put people up to. But I mean, you know,
I think most people are mature enough in the same
way that they can go and play, you know, a
violent video game and not want to go kill someone.
They can even a movie, yeah that's right, and they
can go listen to a rap song and realize that

(58:49):
that's a fan because like, again, we know that the
rappers are not doing the things that they're talking about,
you know, like jay Z isn't out there, you know,
gunning people down or whoever. You know, like it's like
like they're not doing it, so like it's a fantasy
in the song, and most people realize it's a fantasy, right.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
But you know, also when they passed that law some
years ago, what we're putting up the ratings and a
parent uh parental things on it, and I think that
was something good for them to do because it kind
of takes away from the responsibility that you as a parent,
especially you know, buying these albums of you know, records
or whatever, movies and stuff like that, is that you

(59:30):
know that you have to be of a certain age
to be able to purchase or watch these different these
different things because we know that it can be very influencing.
But then that's where you in your home have to
do your job at home to let them know what
is real and what's not.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Yeah, and the same thing is true, you know with
adult entertainment, that's right, adult m.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
Yeah. And I'm so because been around forever in a day,
you know, it's been around forever.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
The word is literally ancient Greek. Sorry, like literally, I've.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
Never known that.

Speaker 8 (01:00:10):
I've just learned something.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Yeah, the word porno means horror in ancient Greek. That's
what it means.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Yeah, and man, they even had it in the ancient ages,
like the hieroglyphs. No exaggeration, my friend, that's that's how
long it's been. Like cavemen were drawing pictures of people
doing it, because people have been doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
Go ahead, Nami, I guess I'm trying to figure out
what's the because it's always been of entertainment, of an
erotic sense of entertainment for people. And actually it's become
educational too. It's become very educational for those and help
a lot of people that couples and relationships and you know,

(01:00:54):
people just couldn't get you know, it's been that. That's
what it's been, like a nice little health thing. So
I'm wondering where does this come from. I remember back
in the day, probably in the early two thousand, mid
two thousand something like that, Well, they were trying to
make it illegal, and I'm thinking it's on the same

(01:01:15):
route what they did with alcohol, what they did with marijuana,
because they haven't been able to get their hands on
it yet to figure out how we as a government
can make the money from it to you know, put
it in our in our own safe thing. Then we
could dibby out or we can control it the way
that we want to be able to put it out.

(01:01:36):
So now we need to make it illegal, you understand
what I'm saying. So I kind of think that's all that,
and I'm just amazed that it's really pushing this this
far like that.

Speaker 6 (01:01:47):
Yeah, well, yeah, I know he ain't make no money
off of it, then don't let anybody else make money
off of it, basically.

Speaker 7 (01:01:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Oh and by the way, though, you know what you
did remind me and not directly related to that, but
sort of related. So like Kamala Harris, she just came
out with her specific plan for black men actually, and
she has a number of different items in there, and
she did come out completely for we legalization like that's

(01:02:19):
and also trying to help because there has been an
issue especially in the different states because of the way
well it's you know, institutional racism that a lot of
black men who wanted to get into selling weed in
the states where it was legal, they couldn't do it,
and so she wants to remove a lot of those

(01:02:40):
hurdles for that. That's one of the points in the
plan in addition to legalizing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
Yeah, you know, so I wanted to rock on Doc
poun Mike, Mike, because you are black men, I want
to ask you just your opinion. Why do you think
that it's been such a pushback from a lot of
the black men. It even had to take where former
President Barack Obama had actually made a speech about, you know,
not supporting I don't know, I can't say word for

(01:03:07):
word for what he said, but it was like he
was saying, you know, here, we got someone here that's
truly for us, that's with us, So how about we
support her and get back, you know, And they thought
that he was he was shaming them or whatever. For you,
as black men, why do you think that it's such
a hesitant for black men to get behind Kamala do

(01:03:30):
behind who.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Remember it's just a minority, like most black men are
for her. But yeah, he's talking about she's talking about
Kamala Harris, talking about Kamala Harris with some black men
not want to support her.

Speaker 8 (01:03:45):
Honestly, in a weird way. The only downfall I see
behind that is like, as a nation, have been like
a lady as our leader. The only thing that scares
me is like other that don't respect women. It's like
there's a lot of countries that just flat out things
women shouldn't have rights, and it's like they have no say.

(01:04:07):
So it's like she go to another country like that
to do business and they looking at it crazy, like
you a woman like and then a black woman on
top of that, we don't respect you. So it's not
necessarily saying that I don't support a woman. It's just
it's just the fear of one of them countries that
don't respect women. So they looking at us like a target.
It's like, oh, they got a woman as a leader,
so they a target. It's like, let's go attack her now.

(01:04:29):
That's the only thing that makes me nervous about it.
It's not that I'm against it. I'm totally team Harris
all day. But that's just the one thing that makes
me worry a little.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
But you do know, there are other countries that have
women that are leaders of that country.

Speaker 8 (01:04:43):
I don't know that, but it's just that small pacit
of ignorance.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Though.

Speaker 8 (01:04:47):
It's like it's it's kind of like a I don't know,
like a problem that's waiting to happen with that small
source of ignorance. I'm said, it's like there's still ignorance
out that I don't respect women, don't see women as
they should have rights. So it's life for those ignorant individuals.
It's like that's the only problem that I see in it.

Speaker 6 (01:05:07):
I understand what you're saying, Rock Card. I mean my opinion,
I still think there's a there's a small group of
American Black men in the same boat that don't respect women,
and some of them don't respect black women. They don't
feel that, you know, a black woman can do the
job or is it too much honor? But that's just

(01:05:29):
their prejudice and racist against women and especially against black women,
you know, and it's sad. It's sad that we are
in this twenty twenty four going to twenty twenty five,
and people and men and black men still have this
stigma that they've been living on to all their life.
And I think basically that presented that Barakato, right was

(01:05:52):
the older black man.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
But you know, it was it was so surprising to
me because when Kamela, when she first came out and
it was announced that she was running, and it was
so it was so many different like black women for Camela,
they were on a call. They were on a call.
White women were a call, and then there were black
men that were supposed to have been on the call.
You know that your race much So it was surprising

(01:06:16):
to hear this within this past week on how it changed,
you know, and even looking at some of the comments
that I was looking at on social media about you know,
they were like when we ain't voting for her, you know,
we ain't vote for no black women, We're not voting
for her.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
It was just so many things and even family member
and I'm laughing about this because the family comes. I
was like, really, and you talking to a black woman
and you really said that, and yes they believe that,
And I just was like, wow, but I know it's
not a majority, but just those minority at all. It's
just a wild moment for me to like, well, who

(01:06:52):
are you going to vote for?

Speaker 6 (01:06:54):
Yeah? You know, And and when it did come over
to is the first Ain't that the Republican talk about
is that she was she was the attorney in California
and she locked black men up. Now, the thing is
she probably locked a lot of people up. The thing
is they pushed the agenda that she's only locking black

(01:07:16):
men up, you know, and then if you really review it,
wasn't it wasn't true. And if if it was a
black man locked up, was they truly guilty for being
locked up?

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
They just do the agenda out there.

Speaker 6 (01:07:30):
That's all she was out there doing locking black men up,
you know, And I think a lot of a lot
of black men could have get caught up in that hole,
that whole of deal because they don't do the researcher.
They don't you know, they just see it on social
media and they run with.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
It right like that, Like you were saying earlier about
you know, they just putting out things of false information
and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Does this keep Yeah, choose your own misinformation. Yeah, that's
what it yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
And actually, Mike, you make it a great point there
because at the at the Democratic National Convention, one of
the speakers came on the stage and it was D. L.
Hugley and he said that he had fallen for that scam.
But you just talked about because yeah, because yeah, they
put that out there, and we're like, oh, she was

(01:08:19):
out there trying to lock up black men more than
anybody else. And then she laughed about it, and none
of that was true. You know, she was just laughing
about that. She smoked weed one time, and you know
who who amongst us? Right right?

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
All right? Rock Hard, Well, thank you baby, thank you definitely.
Also before I get off, Naomi, I love you here.
My favorite color is red. Your hair was built.

Speaker 8 (01:08:44):
I love you.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
Waast week, thank you, love you. Have a good one.
All right, all right, guys, this is night Bank Askdaomi
Bridge of Gap podcast and I'm still here with Matthew Sheffield.
Happen a great conversation, A really great conversation. I'm Matthew.
This is one of my last questions that I have

(01:09:07):
for you. Let's talk about voter suppression real fast. It's
something that we've been dealing with from the last the
last few elections that have been going on. What are
some common barriers that you see that prevent people from
participating in elections and how can we work to overcome them?

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
Sure? Yeah, well if depending on the state that you
live in some of these Republican states, they have been
implementing this new suppression measure where they will send a
postcard to your house and if you that says you
must answer this postcard and send it back otherwise we're

(01:09:45):
going to remove you from the voter rule and you
can vote. D you registered to vote if you don't
answer this mail. So you know, it's you know, and
like we all get so much junk mail. You know,
most mail now is joke. You know, it's bullshit. Like
I mean, I personally, you know, don't always keep tabs
on my on my mail. But yeah, like that this

(01:10:09):
is a scand that they're pulling on people. So you know,
you've got to I mean, it's it's too late now
to to you know, to correct that, I think in
a lot of the states. But you know, but yeah,
if you somehow got the registered you know, you can check.
You can check to see if you're registered still and
if you're not, then you can go back and re enroll.
So like that's that's a huge thing that they're going on.

(01:10:30):
And you know, they they have started this new thing
where they're trying to say that, you know, challenge everybody's
ballots just to say, oh, the signature on that was different.
Oh and by the way, they only target black areas
when they do this, only black areas because they're because

(01:10:51):
you know, like because according to them, you know, all
black people are criminals and so you know, but of course,
what it really is is they're trying to target people
who they think would be more likely to vote Democratic.
That's what it comes down to. And so you know,
make sure to sign your name consistently on the on
your voting stuff and don't be you know, just scrow
it or x or whatever. You know, like actually just

(01:11:13):
make sure to do it consistently because they might try
to you know, they might try to cancel your vote
that way.

Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
You know what, now you can you can vote early
now that they've opened up. I think it's some stakes.
I think Georgia and other states that actually open up
voting now that you can start now. I know for
us here it's the twenty first the twentieth.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
What is it next week?

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
Next week the twentieth, twenty first, and so actually we
can either meil in our ballot or go you know,
straight to it in the beginning. So I think I'm
gonna do early voting, you know, to kind.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
Of stay out. Yeah, I recommend that. Yeah, especially, I mean,
you know, like I got my I live in California.
I got my mail ballot. Actually just looked through MYSS mail,
got it, looked at it today and I was like,
you know, I'm gonna I'm going to show up and
vote in person, just because I don't want to screw
it up. And if I screw it up, there will
tell me right then and there. Oh hey man, you

(01:12:07):
got to do that again. You got to fix that
or you get a big old X and it's embarrassing,
but at least you get it right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
You know, I want to sit down with mine for
a few days. Like, seriously, I want to sit down
with mine for a few days. I mean, because a
lot of times that I'm how important is to even
vote for our locals. That's something that they don't talk
about at all. It's always the big you know, election
for the president. But we don't think about Congress, and
we don't think about those that are senators within our
state too. And so that's for me, has been important

(01:12:37):
for me to pass, especially the past few years, at
the laws that I know should have been passed or
things that should have been you know, happening. And now
understanding that just because our president is the president doesn't
mean that we have the House. Does that make sense, y'all?
And that's what a lot of people don't understand. I know,
we all had had history, good I flu, but I

(01:13:03):
knew that. I mean, you know, I understand that from there.
But that's a lot of times that people don't understand.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
You hear a lot of people say, well, why didn't
Barack Obama do this? Or why didn't Biden do this?
Or why didn't you know such and such do this?
You know, and when you look back and say, well,
did he have the House at that time? He did not?

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
Neither one of them.

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
Yeah, that's a very good point.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
And you know, like.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
Another way that so like Biden, he tried to forgive
a whole bunch of people a student loans and the
Republicans sued, they kept suing him to block it and
you know, and I hear people that be like, oh,
Biden didn't do my student loan, and it's like, hey,
understand how that happened or and why that didn't happen.
It's it was the Republicans who did that to you.

(01:13:48):
And like that's and that is that is that's another
scam that they play on people that they will.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
Just the hurricanes has just happened like that right then,
you know, yeah, knowing that the I mean, the Republicans
was the one who shut down giving them a raise
for the finding for FEMA.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
Yeah yeah, yeah, no, that's great. Yeah. And then like
with the COVID vaccines, you know they you know, when
it was was a lot worse, the virus was a
lot worse. You know, people needed to get that vaccine
it and but a lot of these Republican politicians they
were like don't get it, don't get it, and so
as a result, their own voters were more likely to

(01:14:32):
die once the vaccines came out. Like that's that's just
how messed up it is, Like they don't even care
about the people that vote for them. That's what's so
messed up. Like, you know, and I can understand, you know,
people being like, well, I wish you know that Joe
Biden or Kamala Harris or whoever you know was more
for the working person, you know, and and all that.

(01:14:55):
But the time for you to send that messages into
primaries when you need that's when you and if you
want to have and make a difference, get involved in
your local party politics, like that's they like they elect
people that go to the d n C. You know,
like those people. I have a friend who ran for
the office to go to the to become a Democratic delegate.

Speaker 3 (01:15:19):
Like you can do that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
Like these are not you know, these are not things
that you that if you want to participate more, you
want to make something different, you can you know, like
I'm before the election, I'm actually going to be coming
down to Las Vegas to do some help out with
the Kamala Harris campaign to knock on some doors there.

(01:15:40):
So like there's there's a lot of things you can do,
and there's a lot of ways to get involved, and
you know, but at the very least, you've got to
show up and vote for somebody who is not going
to fuck you over and not in a good way.

Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
Yeah, well, you know what, Matt, dude, I truly appreciate you.
I thank you so much for just joining us today
and just sharing your insights. I mean, I know our
listeners learned so much, and even though we can't get
into the gospel right now, as I saw, we just
went over how much from your journey and just your
perspective on where we are headed politically. I truly do

(01:16:15):
thank you. So if you have any last words, whether
they can find you at or anything like that, they
had any questions, you can go ahead and share that
with my listeners.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
Sure, yeah, well you can. If you're on Twitter, you
can follow me at Matt Sheffield That's h E F
F E L D. And I'm on Blue Sky under
that name as well. And you can find my podcast
and my articles that I'm writing over on flux dot community.

(01:16:43):
That's where you can get Theory of Change, or on
iTunes or wherever you happen to be, Spotify, et cetera.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
Beautiful, beautiful and you know at BTG crew, I see
y'all all, and I see all of y'all questions. I
truly apologize that we need to have a chance to
go over there to the comment list for that. But
again to everyone that is tuning in. I encourage you
to take some time to reflect on your own political beliefs,
get involved in your community as matt s, stay informed
as we approach this historic election, and as always, we

(01:17:11):
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and don't forget to tune into our next episode where
we would dive into some more important topic shaping our world. World.
So until then, let's continue to keep bridging a gap.

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