January 30, 2025 • 11 mins
Dogs on the trails - dogs off-leash. general trail etiquette when cycling, running, walking.
Join us as we explore the essential do's and don'ts of bringing your canine companion on the trails.
Whether you're a seasoned hiker with a trail-tested pup or new to adventuring with your dog, this episode covers everything you need to know about responsible trail use with pets. We dive into why keeping your dog leashed isn't just about following rules—it's about protecting wildlife, other hikers, and your own furry friend.
Discover the unwritten code of trail etiquette when hiking with dogs, including how to navigate encounters with other hikers, cyclists, and fellow dog owners. We'll discuss right-of-way rules, proper trail positioning, and how to handle situations when your friendly pup wants to greet everyone they meet.Perfect for dog lovers who want to enjoy nature responsibly while ensuring everyone—two-legged and four-legged—can safely share our beautiful trail systems.
Tune in for practical tips, real-world scenarios, and expert advice on making your next hiking adventure with your dog a positive experience for all.
Join us as we explore the essential do's and don'ts of bringing your canine companion on the trails.
Whether you're a seasoned hiker with a trail-tested pup or new to adventuring with your dog, this episode covers everything you need to know about responsible trail use with pets. We dive into why keeping your dog leashed isn't just about following rules—it's about protecting wildlife, other hikers, and your own furry friend.
Discover the unwritten code of trail etiquette when hiking with dogs, including how to navigate encounters with other hikers, cyclists, and fellow dog owners. We'll discuss right-of-way rules, proper trail positioning, and how to handle situations when your friendly pup wants to greet everyone they meet.Perfect for dog lovers who want to enjoy nature responsibly while ensuring everyone—two-legged and four-legged—can safely share our beautiful trail systems.
Tune in for practical tips, real-world scenarios, and expert advice on making your next hiking adventure with your dog a positive experience for all.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hello, and welcome to another edition of the As the
Pedalist podcast. We are Here's to day with McCann and
I am Rob. How are you doing mcconton.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Rob, Good evening, how are you.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
I'm doing pretty well, man, I'm doing pretty well.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Last time we spoke about the Poseidon bike that I
have and a question on trailer ticket came out and
one of the issues I face is dogs off leash
in my trail rights both mountain bike, gravel bike, anything
that's not on the road. Before I jump into that,
I know you have a dog. I wanted to see
if you can share a little bit about your pet.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Yeah. I have a three year old black lab mix.
He's what we call a shelter special. We got from
the animal shelter I should say, down the road from
us about two years ago now, and he is about
a seventy five eighty pound dog. Now he seems to
get heavier by the day or I get weaker by
the day. I'm not really sure which it is these days.
(00:58):
But yeah, he's a eye's sizeable little beast and as
all labs need that, he needs exercise all the time. Right,
he could go thirty forty k a day if what
it too. He keeps going all the time. It's what
minus fifteen celsius. I don't know what that is in fahrenheit,
but it's it's let's say it's very cold right here
in Toronto right now, and he loves it. He loves
being outside, so just to jump into the cycling A
(01:23):
connection there is that when we're walking with him, like
he's the sweetest dog in the world at home, right
the sweetest dog. Even outside he sees other dogs, he
loves other dogs, loves other people. It's only with cyclists
where he turns into this I don't know what you
would call it, but some sort of like have you
have you ever read the book Kujo? I think it
was a movie too, the Stephen King, Stephen King exactly
(01:46):
Stephen King, but he just a switch, just flips and
he becomes this sort of like angry dog and he
starts pulling at the leash and trying to pull you
towards the cyclist when he sees it. And my theory
is my wife's theory is that we saw a guy
on a bike who had a dog with him. While
(02:07):
he was on the bike, they were riding, and the
dog was running next to him, and Radley wanted to
say hello. Radley, the our dog wanted to say hello
to that dog, and the dog snaps at him. And
so now every other dog that he sees, he's like,
that is the same dog because it's next to a bike.
There can only be one dog that has a has
(02:27):
a bike near to it, and I'm going to treat
every single dog as if it's the say, the same animal.
So he's not the sharpest tool. So anyway, that's his things.
What his one thing he really hates is I think
it's men as well, like guys riding bikes with dogs
near them or even it started to become just people
on bikes is the problem. So and obviously during the
(02:48):
summer you see hundreds of people on bikes all the time.
So we're trying to I don't know. I think we
have to go to like a dog hypnotist or something
to get that out of him. I don't know how
we're going to do that.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Trails when I am riding with my son, those usually
are single track. You share the trails with other cyclists.
On these trails, I see guys running with the dogs
off leash. Luckily, my son and I have not gotten
into any bad experience with them. But it kind of
struggles you.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Of course, especially if you don't see a human near
to them. You don't know where the animal came from,
whether it's friendly or not.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
You have no idea what's going on exactly. So why
do you think people don't leash their dogs in public places,
especially on trails.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah, the people that I speak to, the they come
to because we leash our dog pretty much all the time,
definitely all the time, unless it's at how obviously or
other people's houses. But what we get from a lot
of people is like they say to us, why don't
you just let him off fleash? And it's well, if
we let him off fleash, as you were saying, he
could go up to a kid, he could go up
to another animal, he could get involved in anything. He's
(03:55):
not like a badly behaved dog. It's just you can't
you can't just free yourself with the responsibility of looking
after your dog by letting it off the leash, right.
I always think of it like, if we're outside, my
dog is by responsibility. I can't control him if he's
off leash. If he's off leash, there's just no way
like you might be able to like chase him down,
(04:15):
but he could still do something within a few seconds
of before I get there, right, So if you are
within ten feet of your dog, even those two or
three seconds. There's been times where we've had our dog
on the leash and he's gone after you know, a
squirrel or a rabbit or whatever, and it's a struggle
to pull them back. And that's on the leash. So
if you've got a bigger dog, I would always recommend
(04:36):
you try to keep it on the leash, even if
it's a struggle to pull it back. Some people say
that dog is better off leash because on leash, the
idea it's more insecure if it's it doesn't have full freedom,
but I'm not sure about that as a as an idea.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Has your dog been attacked by an unleashed dog.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Not really. There's been a few incidents at the dog
park where they're all off leash, like, so the dog
park is like you just let them, you can let
them go because that's like a publicly designated area where
they can be off leash. So that's just dogs in general, right,
So you know, they just one takes playing too far
and then they start snapping at each other and that
(05:18):
it's time to go. But there's been a few occasions
where an off leash dog has come up to ours.
I'm not a big fan of like bully breed dogs,
like pit bulls and that kind of thing. That's just
for me growing up in Manchester around straight dogs. I
always have a little bit of nervousness about the dog
breeds with really strong jaw strength. I always feel like
(05:39):
it'd be very difficult to pull one of those dogs
away if they tried to injure Hours, right, or if
I was in control of one of those dogs, I
would feel I would worry that I wasn't be able
to control them. So there's been no incidence that I
can think of right now where another dog has attacked Hours.
But there have been incidents where I've been a bit
worried that something could happen, and it's just for me,
(05:59):
it's not worth the risk, right. I get the idea
of like, you want your dog to have freedom, but
if your freedom interferes with someone else on their bike
or a kid that's afraid of dogs, that's not freedom.
You're just you're just ruining someone else's.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Day, right, Yeah, see, that's what I'm afraid of. I mean,
I don't want to take a bad spray with me
because sometimes they say that that works. Some people say
just the voice, come and stop or sit or something.
They say that that works sometimes. So I don't know,
hopefully one of them don't bite me.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah, there's various schools of thought of what to do
in terms of basically like the idea of a dog
tries to go for your face because a lot of
the bully breeds especially will go for your throat or
your face if they try to attack you. So the
idea is like, if you want to minimize your injuries,
the idea is to put your wrist or your hands
as close to the possible as in their mouths so
(06:48):
that they can't then they'll they'll clamp on your hand.
But better that than your head or your neck or
your eyes.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Right right.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah, The idea is like, as long as you can
withstand some pain while the owners will it out like you,
you might have to get stitches in your wrist, but
it prevents it from causing more serious injuries, I guess.
But again, I don't know the best way to sort
of restrain these animals because some of these animals, you know,
you see them, they're like one hundred and twenty pounds,
and then you may probably have like a jaw strength
(07:17):
like a crocodile or something. Right, so they can cause
a lot of damage relatively quickly. So I guess the
I to defend yourself as much as possible. I mean,
it seems unfair, but you've got to be really aggressive
with some dog. You've got to make sure that they
realize that it's not worth attacking. It's like a wild
animal in nature.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Right. They have my frame pump with me that it
carry with me, the portable pump, my tires. That's my
what it call consolation, at least the back of my mind,
have something. Not all dogs are dangerous, but the one's dangerous,
it's too late to protect yourself if something happens.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yeah, and there are all sorts of companies that make
sort of defensive tools. I believe there's one sort of
that makes a high pitched sound that yes, yeah, there's
one I know that works with you if you get
approached by a coyote, like it makes a high pitched
sound and it it frightens the animal away. And it
might work with other animals. I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah, I'll end up getting one of them.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yeah, it's just it's it's but it's it's what I'm
saying is it's a shame that you would have to
do that rather than the people just keep that dog
on the leash. If it's if it's in an unleash area,
then keep the dog on the leash. You know, I
assume in New Jersey they have leash laws, right.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah, I supposedly shouldn't all share the trails. It's not
that everybody comes with their dog, but even then it's
a public place other than designated dog park or something.
By the way, these also shared with horses, at least
in the trails near my house.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
So that's another thing. Right, If a dog scares one
of the horses or whatever, that could cause a whole
bunch of injuries.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Picking up after your pet, right.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Oh, that's a whole other story. That's it's so disgusting
when people don't pick up after their dogs. We see
it all the time, and it's just it's me it's
just like littering. It's just like, have some pride in
your community. I'll have some idea of like your responsibility
to your your fellow citizen, right. It's that's a basic
thing too, Like you have ownership over this pet, just
clean up after them. It's so easy, it's not complicated.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah, I hope you'll clean up after your kid.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
But there's a weird sort of ego thing I think
with a lot of dog owners where it's like, I'll
let it off leash because I feel like I should
have the freedom to do what I want, because it's
almost like they remove themselves from responsibility of their day
to day role in society because they have a dog.
It's sort of like it's just me and the dog. Now,
(09:30):
I don't really care about anyone else around me. I'll
do what makes the dog happy. And meanwhile, maybe the
dog is just happy being on leash and being cared for.
It doesn't need to be like roaming around doing its
own thing. It may as well be on the street.
You may as well not have a dog if you're
just gonna let it do its own thing. So generally, yeah,
I'm very much one of those people that will tell
(09:51):
people to clean up after their dog, even of friends
of ours. When there was something happened, I said, your
dog made a mess over there, and they were embarrassed.
And people get embarrassed and you call them out right,
they it's just laziness that they get embarrassed because they're lazy,
and it's just like you shouldn't have to say anything.
But it's the way it is with some people. I
guess there's a.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
You think people would mind their manners, but they don't.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah, and then you know there's obviously there's fines. I
think there's a few thousand dollars fines for not cleaning,
but after your dog and even the leash laws here,
it's like it's at least a couple of hundred dollars
Canadian if you are caught with your dog off leash
in an unleash area. But people don't care enough is
the problem. So that's that's dog etiquette. We've done my
(10:33):
spiel about dog etiquette. They are great pets if you
find the right one. Just gotta be responsible and take
care of them. And regardless of whether you want them
to leave you alone, they will not leave you alone,
which is often what people need. Right, which is often
what people need. You need that thing that is by
your side one hundred percent at the time and has
your back one hundred percent of the time. Yeah, you
(10:54):
just have to feel the same way about the community
and take care of your dog as well.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Right, So, thank you Rob, thank you for sharing for
your pet, and we will talk on the next episode.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
It was great speaking with you and let's have more
conversations about these everyday things. Sure.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Thank you so much, man, Thank you have a broa
Hello, and welcome to another edition of the As the
Pedalist podcast. We are Here's to day with McCann and
I am Rob. How are you doing mcconton.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Rob, Good evening, how are you.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
I'm doing pretty well, man, I'm doing pretty well.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Last time we spoke about the Poseidon bike that I
have and a question on trailer ticket came out and
one of the issues I face is dogs off leash
in my trail rights both mountain bike, gravel bike, anything
that's not on the road. Before I jump into that,
I know you have a dog. I wanted to see
if you can share a little bit about your pet.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Yeah. I have a three year old black lab mix.
He's what we call a shelter special. We got from
the animal shelter I should say, down the road from
us about two years ago now, and he is about
a seventy five eighty pound dog. Now he seems to
get heavier by the day or I get weaker by
the day. I'm not really sure which it is these days.
(00:58):
But yeah, he's a eye's sizeable little beast and as
all labs need that, he needs exercise all the time. Right,
he could go thirty forty k a day if what
it too. He keeps going all the time. It's what
minus fifteen celsius. I don't know what that is in fahrenheit,
but it's it's let's say it's very cold right here
in Toronto right now, and he loves it. He loves
being outside, so just to jump into the cycling A
(01:23):
connection there is that when we're walking with him, like
he's the sweetest dog in the world at home, right
the sweetest dog. Even outside he sees other dogs, he
loves other dogs, loves other people. It's only with cyclists
where he turns into this I don't know what you
would call it, but some sort of like have you
have you ever read the book Kujo? I think it
was a movie too, the Stephen King, Stephen King exactly
(01:46):
Stephen King, but he just a switch, just flips and
he becomes this sort of like angry dog and he
starts pulling at the leash and trying to pull you
towards the cyclist when he sees it. And my theory
is my wife's theory is that we saw a guy
on a bike who had a dog with him. While
(02:07):
he was on the bike, they were riding, and the
dog was running next to him, and Radley wanted to
say hello. Radley, the our dog wanted to say hello
to that dog, and the dog snaps at him. And
so now every other dog that he sees, he's like,
that is the same dog because it's next to a bike.
There can only be one dog that has a has
(02:27):
a bike near to it, and I'm going to treat
every single dog as if it's the say, the same animal.
So he's not the sharpest tool. So anyway, that's his things.
What his one thing he really hates is I think
it's men as well, like guys riding bikes with dogs
near them or even it started to become just people
on bikes is the problem. So and obviously during the
(02:48):
summer you see hundreds of people on bikes all the time.
So we're trying to I don't know. I think we
have to go to like a dog hypnotist or something
to get that out of him. I don't know how
we're going to do that.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Trails when I am riding with my son, those usually
are single track. You share the trails with other cyclists.
On these trails, I see guys running with the dogs
off leash. Luckily, my son and I have not gotten
into any bad experience with them. But it kind of
struggles you.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Of course, especially if you don't see a human near
to them. You don't know where the animal came from,
whether it's friendly or not.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
You have no idea what's going on exactly. So why
do you think people don't leash their dogs in public places,
especially on trails.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah, the people that I speak to, the they come
to because we leash our dog pretty much all the time,
definitely all the time, unless it's at how obviously or
other people's houses. But what we get from a lot
of people is like they say to us, why don't
you just let him off fleash? And it's well, if
we let him off fleash, as you were saying, he
could go up to a kid, he could go up
to another animal, he could get involved in anything. He's
(03:55):
not like a badly behaved dog. It's just you can't
you can't just free yourself with the responsibility of looking
after your dog by letting it off the leash, right.
I always think of it like, if we're outside, my
dog is by responsibility. I can't control him if he's
off leash. If he's off leash, there's just no way
like you might be able to like chase him down,
(04:15):
but he could still do something within a few seconds
of before I get there, right, So if you are
within ten feet of your dog, even those two or
three seconds. There's been times where we've had our dog
on the leash and he's gone after you know, a
squirrel or a rabbit or whatever, and it's a struggle
to pull them back. And that's on the leash. So
if you've got a bigger dog, I would always recommend
(04:36):
you try to keep it on the leash, even if
it's a struggle to pull it back. Some people say
that dog is better off leash because on leash, the
idea it's more insecure if it's it doesn't have full freedom,
but I'm not sure about that as a as an idea.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Has your dog been attacked by an unleashed dog.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Not really. There's been a few incidents at the dog
park where they're all off leash, like, so the dog
park is like you just let them, you can let
them go because that's like a publicly designated area where
they can be off leash. So that's just dogs in general, right,
So you know, they just one takes playing too far
and then they start snapping at each other and that
(05:18):
it's time to go. But there's been a few occasions
where an off leash dog has come up to ours.
I'm not a big fan of like bully breed dogs,
like pit bulls and that kind of thing. That's just
for me growing up in Manchester around straight dogs. I
always have a little bit of nervousness about the dog
breeds with really strong jaw strength. I always feel like
(05:39):
it'd be very difficult to pull one of those dogs
away if they tried to injure Hours, right, or if
I was in control of one of those dogs, I
would feel I would worry that I wasn't be able
to control them. So there's been no incidence that I
can think of right now where another dog has attacked Hours.
But there have been incidents where I've been a bit
worried that something could happen, and it's just for me,
(05:59):
it's not worth the risk, right. I get the idea
of like, you want your dog to have freedom, but
if your freedom interferes with someone else on their bike
or a kid that's afraid of dogs, that's not freedom.
You're just you're just ruining someone else's.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Day, right, Yeah, see, that's what I'm afraid of. I mean,
I don't want to take a bad spray with me
because sometimes they say that that works. Some people say
just the voice, come and stop or sit or something.
They say that that works sometimes. So I don't know,
hopefully one of them don't bite me.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah, there's various schools of thought of what to do
in terms of basically like the idea of a dog
tries to go for your face because a lot of
the bully breeds especially will go for your throat or
your face if they try to attack you. So the
idea is like, if you want to minimize your injuries,
the idea is to put your wrist or your hands
as close to the possible as in their mouths so
(06:48):
that they can't then they'll they'll clamp on your hand.
But better that than your head or your neck or
your eyes.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Right right.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah, The idea is like, as long as you can
withstand some pain while the owners will it out like you,
you might have to get stitches in your wrist, but
it prevents it from causing more serious injuries, I guess.
But again, I don't know the best way to sort
of restrain these animals because some of these animals, you know,
you see them, they're like one hundred and twenty pounds,
and then you may probably have like a jaw strength
(07:17):
like a crocodile or something. Right, so they can cause
a lot of damage relatively quickly. So I guess the
I to defend yourself as much as possible. I mean,
it seems unfair, but you've got to be really aggressive
with some dog. You've got to make sure that they
realize that it's not worth attacking. It's like a wild
animal in nature.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Right. They have my frame pump with me that it
carry with me, the portable pump, my tires. That's my
what it call consolation, at least the back of my mind,
have something. Not all dogs are dangerous, but the one's dangerous,
it's too late to protect yourself if something happens.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yeah, and there are all sorts of companies that make
sort of defensive tools. I believe there's one sort of
that makes a high pitched sound that yes, yeah, there's
one I know that works with you if you get
approached by a coyote, like it makes a high pitched
sound and it it frightens the animal away. And it
might work with other animals. I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah, I'll end up getting one of them.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yeah, it's just it's it's but it's it's what I'm
saying is it's a shame that you would have to
do that rather than the people just keep that dog
on the leash. If it's if it's in an unleash area,
then keep the dog on the leash. You know, I
assume in New Jersey they have leash laws, right.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah, I supposedly shouldn't all share the trails. It's not
that everybody comes with their dog, but even then it's
a public place other than designated dog park or something.
By the way, these also shared with horses, at least
in the trails near my house.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
So that's another thing. Right, If a dog scares one
of the horses or whatever, that could cause a whole
bunch of injuries.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Picking up after your pet, right.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Oh, that's a whole other story. That's it's so disgusting
when people don't pick up after their dogs. We see
it all the time, and it's just it's me it's
just like littering. It's just like, have some pride in
your community. I'll have some idea of like your responsibility
to your your fellow citizen, right. It's that's a basic
thing too, Like you have ownership over this pet, just
clean up after them. It's so easy, it's not complicated.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah, I hope you'll clean up after your kid.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
But there's a weird sort of ego thing I think
with a lot of dog owners where it's like, I'll
let it off leash because I feel like I should
have the freedom to do what I want, because it's
almost like they remove themselves from responsibility of their day
to day role in society because they have a dog.
It's sort of like it's just me and the dog. Now,
(09:30):
I don't really care about anyone else around me. I'll
do what makes the dog happy. And meanwhile, maybe the
dog is just happy being on leash and being cared for.
It doesn't need to be like roaming around doing its
own thing. It may as well be on the street.
You may as well not have a dog if you're
just gonna let it do its own thing. So generally, yeah,
I'm very much one of those people that will tell
(09:51):
people to clean up after their dog, even of friends
of ours. When there was something happened, I said, your
dog made a mess over there, and they were embarrassed.
And people get embarrassed and you call them out right,
they it's just laziness that they get embarrassed because they're lazy,
and it's just like you shouldn't have to say anything.
But it's the way it is with some people. I
guess there's a.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
You think people would mind their manners, but they don't.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah, and then you know there's obviously there's fines. I
think there's a few thousand dollars fines for not cleaning,
but after your dog and even the leash laws here,
it's like it's at least a couple of hundred dollars
Canadian if you are caught with your dog off leash
in an unleash area. But people don't care enough is
the problem. So that's that's dog etiquette. We've done my
(10:33):
spiel about dog etiquette. They are great pets if you
find the right one. Just gotta be responsible and take
care of them. And regardless of whether you want them
to leave you alone, they will not leave you alone,
which is often what people need. Right, which is often
what people need. You need that thing that is by
your side one hundred percent at the time and has
your back one hundred percent of the time. Yeah, you
(10:54):
just have to feel the same way about the community
and take care of your dog as well.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Right, So, thank you Rob, thank you for sharing for
your pet, and we will talk on the next episode.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
It was great speaking with you and let's have more
conversations about these everyday things. Sure.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
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