October 14, 2025 • 6 mins
President Trump declares the Gaza war over with a document nobody read that neither side signed. Marc Maron ends his sixteen-year podcast run with Obama dropping by to discuss partial victories and not annoying people into fascism. And John Legend tries positive reinforcement on Trump, promising him a Nobel Prize if he'll just stop with all the dictator stuff.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Kalaruga shark media from Egypt, where there's a KFC across
the street from the Pyramids. Look it up. This is Ballad.
That's right. And I know a guy who looks like
he eats a lot of fried chicken when not making
peace in the Middle East. Let's hit this. I'm Patrick Guttfield,
(00:23):
and President Trump declared the war in Gaza over on Monday.
He said this in a speech to the Israeli Parliament,
and then at a summit in Egypt, twenty hostages came
home to Israel in exchange for nearly two thousand Palestinian prisoners. Now,
Trump being Trump, he couldn't just give a normal diplomatic
speech to the Kanesset. He went full campaign rally mode.
(00:46):
We're talking lengthy digressions, praising himself, taking shots at Biden
and Obama. At one point, he looked directly at Israel's
President Isaac Herzog and urged him to pardon Prime Minister
Netan Yahoo, who is literally on trial for bribery. That's right.
Trump just casually suggested pardoning a guy in the middle
of a corruption trial. Very on brand. The hostage exchange
(01:08):
itself was emotional. Ainov Zangauker got to video call her
son Mattin for the first time in two years. She
told him, you are coming home. Trump then flew to Egypt,
where President Elcci greeted him at a red sea resort
in charm El Shaikh. El Cci declared enough war, welcome
to peace. They signed some document along with leaders from
(01:29):
Turkey and Katar. The only problem nobody knows what was
actually in the document, and neither Israel nor Hummas signed it,
so we had this big ceremonial signing for a mystery
document that the actual parties involved didn't even put their
names on. Trump also ran into Mahmudabas, the president of
the Palestinian Authority, for the first time since twenty seventeen.
(01:54):
This is the same guy Trump's administration denied a visa
to last month, so we couldn't attend the UN General Assembly.
Abas had to address everyone by video link. But at
the summit, Trump pointed at him and said, it's good
to have you from you can't come to New York
to good to have you in about four weeks. Here's
the thing, though, plenty of questions remain, will Hamas disarm,
(02:18):
will the ceasefire actually hold, who's paying to rebuild Gaza,
Who's going to govern it? The ceasefire agreement requires Hamas
to hand over the bodies of at least twenty six
hostages who died in captivity. Hamas says that'll be tough
to do in the three day window. The hostages and
missing persons families for him is already accusing Hamas of
(02:39):
not following the agreement. But hey, Trump called it the
historic dawn of a new Middle East, so I guess
we'll see. Mark Maren wrapped his podcast after sixteen years,
and Barack Obama showed up for the final episode. Obama
asked how Maren was feeling about ending the show. Maren
said he's nervous about what comes next. Obama told him
(03:01):
to take a beat, be brain dead for a while,
read books, go on trips. Obama defended long form podcasts.
People criticized Bernie for going on Rogan, but why wouldn't
you having conversations as democracy? The problem is when everything
gets chopped into clips. Maren joked that progressives have annoyed
(03:21):
the average American into fascism. Obama loved it, but said, yeah,
Democrats need to stop being scolds all the time, he
told Maren that democracy requires accepting partial victory, not perfection.
When he was president, he'd tell his staff better is good.
We're not getting to perfect. The Affordable Care Act wasn't
single payer, but it ensured fifty million people. This sense
(03:45):
that things aren't worth it unless we get everything leads
to doing nothing, Obama said. His daughter Malia once asked
what to tell her friends who feel hopeless about climate change.
He told her, yeah, we'll probably blow through the target.
But if we can stop the temperature increase at two
point five five degrees instead of three, that half a
degree could save a billion people. That's worth working for.
(04:05):
At the end, Obama told Marin, most people are really decent.
When they hear someone else who is, it gives them
courage and hope. John Legend has some advice for President Trump.
Drop the dictator crap if you want that Nobel Peace Prize.
The singer posted a video on Instagram Sunday where he
decided to try what he called positive reinforcement with the president.
(04:29):
Legend actually praised Trump for his role in the Gaza
ceasefire deal, calling him instrumental in bringing about this new
peace deal. He said he wants Trump to win the
Nobel Peace Prize. Yes, really. Now, Legend has been a
longtime Trump critic, but he explained his logic. He said,
if Trump is able to actually earn the Peace Prize,
(04:50):
it probably won't be enough that he's helped bring peace
to the Middle East. Translation, Trump would have to stop
doing all the other stuff. What other stuff, Well, Legend
laid it out. Stop sending the military into our cities
simply because they're run by democrats. Stop sending masked, unaccountable
ICE agents to torment immigrant communities. Stop ordering the prosecution
(05:13):
of his political opponents on flimsy charges. Then he really
got to the point, he'd have to stop all this
authoritarian dictator crap, all the fascist crap, all the inhumane
crap he's been trying to do. Legend's pitch is basically this,
we should all want Trump to win the Nobel Peace
Prize because imagine everything he'd have to do to actually
(05:35):
deserve it. He told Trump, you have another year to
work on this. It's going to require a serious change
in your governing philosophy and your behavior. Then Legend went
full parenting mode. He said, as a parent, I've learned
that kids respond really well to positive reinforcement. So Donald,
we've tried negative reinforcement, impeachment, indictments, voting you out of office,
(05:57):
So let's try positive promise. If you get it together,
you change your awful behavior, you're going to get that
Peace Prize that you so so badly desire, and I'll
be so proud of you, so proud. Portions of today's
show were made with the help of AI and WTF
Kalaruga shark media from Egypt, where there's a KFC across
the street from the Pyramids. Look it up. This is Ballad.
That's right. And I know a guy who looks like
he eats a lot of fried chicken when not making
peace in the Middle East. Let's hit this. I'm Patrick Guttfield,
(00:23):
and President Trump declared the war in Gaza over on Monday.
He said this in a speech to the Israeli Parliament,
and then at a summit in Egypt, twenty hostages came
home to Israel in exchange for nearly two thousand Palestinian prisoners. Now,
Trump being Trump, he couldn't just give a normal diplomatic
speech to the Kanesset. He went full campaign rally mode.
(00:46):
We're talking lengthy digressions, praising himself, taking shots at Biden
and Obama. At one point, he looked directly at Israel's
President Isaac Herzog and urged him to pardon Prime Minister
Netan Yahoo, who is literally on trial for bribery. That's right.
Trump just casually suggested pardoning a guy in the middle
of a corruption trial. Very on brand. The hostage exchange
(01:08):
itself was emotional. Ainov Zangauker got to video call her
son Mattin for the first time in two years. She
told him, you are coming home. Trump then flew to Egypt,
where President Elcci greeted him at a red sea resort
in charm El Shaikh. El Cci declared enough war, welcome
to peace. They signed some document along with leaders from
(01:29):
Turkey and Katar. The only problem nobody knows what was
actually in the document, and neither Israel nor Hummas signed it,
so we had this big ceremonial signing for a mystery
document that the actual parties involved didn't even put their
names on. Trump also ran into Mahmudabas, the president of
the Palestinian Authority, for the first time since twenty seventeen.
(01:54):
This is the same guy Trump's administration denied a visa
to last month, so we couldn't attend the UN General Assembly.
Abas had to address everyone by video link. But at
the summit, Trump pointed at him and said, it's good
to have you from you can't come to New York
to good to have you in about four weeks. Here's
the thing, though, plenty of questions remain, will Hamas disarm,
(02:18):
will the ceasefire actually hold, who's paying to rebuild Gaza,
Who's going to govern it? The ceasefire agreement requires Hamas
to hand over the bodies of at least twenty six
hostages who died in captivity. Hamas says that'll be tough
to do in the three day window. The hostages and
missing persons families for him is already accusing Hamas of
(02:39):
not following the agreement. But hey, Trump called it the
historic dawn of a new Middle East, so I guess
we'll see. Mark Maren wrapped his podcast after sixteen years,
and Barack Obama showed up for the final episode. Obama
asked how Maren was feeling about ending the show. Maren
said he's nervous about what comes next. Obama told him
(03:01):
to take a beat, be brain dead for a while,
read books, go on trips. Obama defended long form podcasts.
People criticized Bernie for going on Rogan, but why wouldn't
you having conversations as democracy? The problem is when everything
gets chopped into clips. Maren joked that progressives have annoyed
(03:21):
the average American into fascism. Obama loved it, but said, yeah,
Democrats need to stop being scolds all the time, he
told Maren that democracy requires accepting partial victory, not perfection.
When he was president, he'd tell his staff better is good.
We're not getting to perfect. The Affordable Care Act wasn't
single payer, but it ensured fifty million people. This sense
(03:45):
that things aren't worth it unless we get everything leads
to doing nothing, Obama said. His daughter Malia once asked
what to tell her friends who feel hopeless about climate change.
He told her, yeah, we'll probably blow through the target.
But if we can stop the temperature increase at two
point five five degrees instead of three, that half a
degree could save a billion people. That's worth working for.
(04:05):
At the end, Obama told Marin, most people are really decent.
When they hear someone else who is, it gives them
courage and hope. John Legend has some advice for President Trump.
Drop the dictator crap if you want that Nobel Peace Prize.
The singer posted a video on Instagram Sunday where he
decided to try what he called positive reinforcement with the president.
(04:29):
Legend actually praised Trump for his role in the Gaza
ceasefire deal, calling him instrumental in bringing about this new
peace deal. He said he wants Trump to win the
Nobel Peace Prize. Yes, really. Now, Legend has been a
longtime Trump critic, but he explained his logic. He said,
if Trump is able to actually earn the Peace Prize,
(04:50):
it probably won't be enough that he's helped bring peace
to the Middle East. Translation, Trump would have to stop
doing all the other stuff. What other stuff, Well, Legend
laid it out. Stop sending the military into our cities
simply because they're run by democrats. Stop sending masked, unaccountable
ICE agents to torment immigrant communities. Stop ordering the prosecution
(05:13):
of his political opponents on flimsy charges. Then he really
got to the point, he'd have to stop all this
authoritarian dictator crap, all the fascist crap, all the inhumane
crap he's been trying to do. Legend's pitch is basically this,
we should all want Trump to win the Nobel Peace
Prize because imagine everything he'd have to do to actually
(05:35):
deserve it. He told Trump, you have another year to
work on this. It's going to require a serious change
in your governing philosophy and your behavior. Then Legend went
full parenting mode. He said, as a parent, I've learned
that kids respond really well to positive reinforcement. So Donald,
we've tried negative reinforcement, impeachment, indictments, voting you out of office,
(05:57):
So let's try positive promise. If you get it together,
you change your awful behavior, you're going to get that
Peace Prize that you so so badly desire, and I'll
be so proud of you, so proud. Portions of today's
show were made with the help of AI and WTF
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