August 14, 2024 • 27 mins
ANNND NOW!!!!!! Welcome to BARGUMENTS THE PODCAST, with hosts Dan "Bass" Levy and Joe Kelly as they welcome Ray Clay! One of the greatest live announcers of all-time! You've heard him as he announced Michael Jordan and the 90s Chicago Bulls, as well as been featured in movies, Married with Children and so much more.
They dive deep into Ray's illustrious career, discuss the surprising end of his tenure with the Bulls, and engage in a lively bargument: would you rather go back in time to fix a mistake or travel to the future to correct it? Tune in for a mix of nostalgia, insight, and debate!"
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They dive deep into Ray's illustrious career, discuss the surprising end of his tenure with the Bulls, and engage in a lively bargument: would you rather go back in time to fix a mistake or travel to the future to correct it? Tune in for a mix of nostalgia, insight, and debate!"
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Arguments is recorded in front of a live studio audience.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
What's up everybody and now just kidding? Welcome to another
episode of Pargaments. I am your host, Dan Levy, along
with me, as always, my co host Joe Kelly. What
I'm Joe? Hi?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Dan, I already missed the Olympics?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Do you? I think you're the only one?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
No, I really don't. I just like saying that. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Okay, Thanks want Joe. For today's episode, we have a
spectacular one. Annie Bulls or NBA fan will instantly recognize
our guest's voice. He's known as the former Chicago Bulls
publican dress announcer over ten seasons, six championships, and for
his most famous player introduction in basketball history so much
they've copied it pretty much everywhere else. He's been out,
(00:46):
married with children, and he's been in He Got Game
And if you were watching this past week's HBO's Hard Knocks,
he was featured in that as well. Ladies and Gentleman.
One of the main reasons I even gotten broadcasting Ray Clay.
What's that right? Hey? Dan?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
How are you? Thanks? Hey, Joe? I really miss Snoop Dogg.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Actually, you know you're right.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
I missed that Snoop Dogg forever.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
If you were playing, if you were playing Mego in
today's game and you did not have Snoop Dogg as
Ray Clay's open incentence, I'm right there with you. I
did not see that one coming, and I'm impressed. I
am impressed, sir, very cool.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Well, I worked that out beforehand.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
That I was gonna say, you guys are really good
before I jumped on the zoom call time alright, know
or early? All right? So Ray, every time, I will
say this. When I was in high school in Omaha, Nebraska,
we didn't have any real sports teams, but we did
have WG in television, so that means Omaha is a
giant bank of Cubs fans and at that time Bulls
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fans because that's where they had all the games. And
I would literally, I think I was the only one
that recorded the Bulls games just for the starting life,
and I would watch it over and over and over
and over again, like I want to be just like
that guy when I get older. And then when I
my brother moved to Chicago, when I after I had
when we moved to high school in Omaha, my brother
(02:13):
moved to Chicago to go to UIC and he having
to be a fraternity brother of yours. So the very
first Bulls game we went to my brother's like, hey,
do you want to beat Ray? I'm like, more than
I want to be, Jordan, and we got a chance
to actually meet you, and You've been like the coolest
guy in the world. They say sometimes don't be your heroes.
You're one of the ones. I tell everybody if you
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get to meet Ray, you're gonna love him. Well, thank you, Dan,
I will say this A lot of people do also
ask me, what does Ray Clay do besides the public
address announcing? Where does he go? What does he do?
Does he just lock himself up in a room and
take care of his voice? Now that you're here, do
you want to shed some line on exactly what you're
(02:55):
doing in between before and how you even got to
being the bullsnouncer one of the most famous voices in
sports history.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Well, Ray was lucky at that point that you know,
he worked down at UIC. You know, I was able
to work with the Bulls and do some programming kind
of things with them, so I got to know people
on the staff, and you know, luckily when Tommy Edwards left.
I knew the job was open, so I applied for
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it and got an interview, and I guess I passed
the interviews, and you know that was it from there
from then on, you know. So I did that for
you know, twelve years. There was twelve fun years. Well
actually the first six or seven were fun. After that,
you know, going through the Eddie Curry years and some
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of the other guys was Yes, it was a little
bit on the downside from where we were, you know,
coming off the mountain. After that, I was offering other
year or so. I had been doing UIC Flames basketball
during that time, so you know, I was doing that,
and all of a sudden I got a call from
the Chicago Sky and they said, hey, Ray, you know,
(04:10):
we're going to play our games at the UIC Pavilion,
and you know, we're wondering if you'd want to be
the PA guy for us. So I went and I
did an interview, I met Dave Cowens and some of
the staff, and I did Sky for twelve years. So
you know, that's pretty much my professional gig right in there.
And luckily for me, you know, I would get phone calls,
(04:31):
you know, periodically. Hey, you know, are you interested in
doing this? Hey, we got a commercial. We'd love for
you to read for the commercial. Or I did Married
with Children as you had brought up, and you know,
Spike Lee was down at the stadium and we did
he got game and that was kind of cool.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
So that is awesome. That is very cool. Like I said,
I mean whatever people think of like iconic Chicago sports
announcers that nineties, I mean you were the guy and
you brought up Tommy was the guy before you. For
everybody out here that is a that was Tommy who
was the Tommy Edwards who was on WLS and he
was actually the originator of the starting lineup. Said, A
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lot of stables was there before you got on, like
the serious the music was there and the man of
the middle. How do you go into a situation because
I've done broadcasting before, I've come in for other people
that I've already had stables that have already been built out.
How do you come in there and go I know
exactly how I'm going to put my own spin on there.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Well, you know, actually after I did that first audition game,
they called me into the office the next day and
they said, hey, can you come down at lunchtime? So
I went down there and they had a VHS tape
and it was Tommy Edwards interest in announcing Horace Grant,
and then right after that they had Ray Clay announcing
(05:48):
Horace Grant from the night before, and then Tommy introducing
Scottie Pippen, and then Ray Clay doing Scottie Pippen and
Bill Kart right Ray Clay and they go, well, let's
see Horror Grant. We want you to put a little
more references on the whore instead of the ass. And
then you know they said your Skytie Pippen was okay,
(06:11):
and you know, Bill Cartwright, you know, you really have
to emphasize the man in the middle. So, you know,
I went through the whole thing, and you know, Michael Jordan,
they said, you know, Michael Jordan, nobody's going to hear
you anyway, so you know, whatever you say from Michael Jordan's.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I will.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
So I went back and did a game, you know,
a day or so later, and you know, use what
their influences, what they wanted me to to say, and
you know, after that everything was history. So basically what
I tried to do was you know, as the Bulls
became popular and you know, we got into the NBA
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Finals and the consecutive streets, the sellouts and everything. I
just really tried to put a lot of energy into
the introduction because I felt that that was a way
to get the crowd amped up for the beginning of
the game. You know, you get your first couple of
minutes of the game, and you know, you got that
momentum going, You're gonna intimidate a lot of other teams.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
That's true, and a lot of people weren't im It's
funny because my son, he's really an NBA two K
these days. He's in the basketball and I've definitely taken
him down some Ray Clay stuff. You're actually in NBA
two K twenty three, which has been pretty cool to me,
like that's Ray's voice. And additionally to that, I've showed
him the actual starting lineup was from the ninety six,
(07:32):
because that's like one of the better quality YouTube ones
that are out there. And he's always like, you know,
when he does the first couple, he's like, I can't
wait to him say Michael Jordan and I go, you're
gonna have to listen closely. The broadcast actually has it better.
But when I want to see a game live, I
couldn't hear you at all. When you said, Michael Jordan,
did it was? I was shocked to hear just how
(07:54):
loud that was.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah, it was. It was crazy in the old stadium
in Chicago State because the way the building was built,
you know, it was pretty much up and down where
now all of the new stadiums are bowls, and you know,
they have different acoustic qualities to them. But that building,
you know, they had a wooden ceiling which they had
(08:16):
built for the organ, and all the sound would come
directly down, so during hockey games, you know, it would
flood the ice with the sound, and during bulls games,
you know, it would just come right down to the floor.
Interesting thing was when they when they built the United Center,
they actually brought me in when they were sound tuning
the building. They had a company come in and you know,
(08:38):
put all the speaker systems in different areas and they
wanted me to emulate my starting lineup and with crowd
noise and things like that that they piped in so
that they could make sure that the sound was equal
in all parts of the stadium. That was kind of interesting.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
I was going to say that that sounds I would
love to be one of the few people it's like,
all right, do it, I just want it. Does these
figures out? Do it? Do it? Do it? I know,
turn it up to eleven, scream as a lot as
you want. Just do Michael Jordan's name over and over
there again, I don't care. Maybe what maybe Dennis rob
in one good time. That's about it. As far as
the kind of stuff that you were doing then and
(09:21):
how it translated to other people. How much did it
take for people to be like, oh my god, we
got to start booking this guy for stuff. Because again,
you were on your on an NBA commercial, you got
pretty much copied everywhere. At some point, are you like, hey,
people are stealing my stuff or you kind of like
I kind of find it as a compliment that, you know,
you watch other starting lineups and the Feeding Suns during
(09:43):
the NBA Finals was almost a replication of your starting
lineup in ninety three. So is there more of like, hey,
that's not cool, or uh, all right, I've started something,
let's let's keep running with it.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah. Actually, you know, the Phoenix Suns contacted me, you know,
and you know, wanted the lowdown on what I did,
so you know, I gave him what I did, but
I shared him, you know, to the Bulls front office
to get what they did. And it was funny. A
couple of years after they at you know, like when
the Bulls were in their down years, they were looking
for a new PA announcer. I got a feeler from them,
(10:17):
would you be interested in coming down to Phoenix?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Oh my god?
Speaker 1 (10:22):
And I said, I don't know that travel would probably
kill me.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Well, I do remember before it ended for you with
the Bulls, and I remember because you and I had
become friends and I would see you in U I
see from time to time. I never went there, but
I lived by there. When I had hair, I'd go
to my haircut. During the last like season of you
being there, I remember, everybody was like, how are you
going to say his name when he comes back from
the Wizards? How are you going to say it? And
you were like my gul Jordan. And then for some
(10:47):
reason that like stirred a stupid kind of wave and
then you found yourself not in that organization. And I
still think that is one of the dumbest reasons to
get rid of any broadcaster in our industry because it
just goes to show that no matter how good you are,
how popular you man that I think that those introductions
are just as famous as that team. For you to
(11:09):
go out like that is I I apologize to you
with Bubby AffA bules fans, because I was. I think
I was the most upset about that one.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Well, you know it was it was crazy. You know.
In December, Ja and Doande came up to me during
a game I think the Lakers were in town or
something and that's why. And he said, hey, you know,
Michael's coming in with the Wizards in January. You know,
how are you going to introduce Michael? And you know,
it's one of those off the cuff kind of things.
I'm sitting at the squors table getting ready for the game,
(11:39):
and I go, well, geez, I don't know, I said,
I would assume we're going to give him the Michael
Jordan introduction. You know, the guy's been an institution here,
he's got a statue out in front introducing him. Any
other way, well, you know, and then ten minutes later,
you know, somebody from the front office comes up to
me and says, you know, what are you doing talking
to the press, you know about the introduction from Michael Jordan.
(12:00):
I said, just came up to me and asked me
a question. I said, you know, I didn't know what
we were going to do. I said, you know, I
just assumed since he's Michael Jordan, he's going to get
the full Michael Jordan. No, he's a visitor. Now we're
going to introduce him as a visitor. So you know,
come to January and Washington's in. You know, it's like,
you know, from North Carolina, a guy six six Michael Jordan's.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
And it was still like a nine minute standing ovation.
So I was like, what's the point of that?
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
It was.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
It was crazy. And then the following year, you know,
Steve Scott took over for me, sure, and you know,
the Wizards come into town, and you know, Steve gives
him the full Michael Jordan and he got a fifteen
minute standing.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Ovation, which drives me crazy because I remember watching that
and being like, ah, that was Ray. That should have
been the way Ray was doing it. That's not fair.
You know. I love Steve. I love Steve, and I
was just like, oh, man, I do miss the way
you would do.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
It, you know, I know Steve and I had talked
to him and he said, God, Ray, I felt so
bad for you. It was crazy. And you know, luckily
for me, Philadelphia called me, you know, for Michael's last game,
and I got to fly out to Philly and and
you know give him his final farewell. So I think
that that in my heart, you know, made me feel
(13:21):
you know, fulfilled.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I was gonna ask you, was there any particular story
that came about more than just hey, do you want
to come out and do this? Or was it like,
was there something leading into the you coming out? Hey,
we want to we want to end it this way
with you coming out.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
It was just a.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Phone call from Philly one day and they said, hey,
you know, Michael's last game is coming up. You know,
are you available. We thought it would be cool, you know,
since you didn't get to announce him when you were there,
that you know, you could give Michael the farewell.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
That would have been the best. And that was the
best because I remember watching it. I still watch it
because I'm like, I'm always like, what did Jordan say
to you? I know he was surprised you and mj
was surprised when he saw you. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Yeah, he came over and I got a hug from me.
He said, thanks, man, that was really good.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
I was gonna say, did you ever have an actual
relationship with him during those years or was it always
more of just a uh, hey, how are you?
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Did it was more of a hey, how are you?
You know I when when I worked for the Bulls,
I wasn't, you know, a glory guy, you know, trying
to hang with everybody, and I, you know, I gave
them their space because I know that, you know, everybody
wants to be with them.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I wants to talk to them.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
But you know, Michael was cordial. You know, you'd see
me in the Hey, Ray, how you doing on your family?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
You know that's cool? That is really cool. Well, a
couple of things I have announced it. I'm sure you
might be able to hear it in my voice. I
got a bit of a cold when you were announcing,
and you do announcing stuff. What are your tricks of
the trade, A try not to get any kind of
cigarette and around your voice? And when you do have something,
what are your cures? What are your go tos to
(14:56):
try to get all that stuff out there? So you
can do your job.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
You know. The funny thing when I went and did
my first game for the Bulls, the my audition, I
went to the concession stand and I got a you know,
a large coke with ice, you know, put it down
next to me. You know, I'm sitting there sucking on that,
you know, as I'm doing my announcing. And I noticed
after you know, the first couple games that I did,
(15:23):
that boy, it's got I had a sore throat. You know,
it was really bothering me. So I actually knew a
professor at u C who was in speech and theater
and he was involved with some of the programs that
we did. So I sat down and talked with him
one day and he said, you know, well what do
you do? And I said, well, you know, I got
(15:43):
a glass of coke with ice and everything. He goes,
that's the worst thing you could do. He said, Your
your vocal cords are a muscle, and you know that
coal constricts your muscle and makes it tighter. So you're
in you know, you're pushing air out through something that's
like a a taut rubber band. And he says, you're
going to hurt yourself. He said, you need to drink
(16:05):
just plain lukewarm water, you know, not Cole. Just drink
lukewarm and go from there. And he said, you know,
if your voice bothers you, he said, you know there's
that throw kat t. You know, I know that I
would do that once in a while, and I would
just try to stay away from sick babies.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
It's sick, I said. When you have kids just like
I do, they see them bring home every kind of
virus that my body has never heard of.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yes, they do.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Wow, gotcha? Gotcha. HBO's Hard Knots just called you and uh,
you're on. You're featured in episode one with the Chicago
Bears announcing Kyle Williams. How did that one come about?
And where do they feel me doing that? I was
trying to like figure out where that was.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Oh, that was actually at Sound Media in Evanston.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Gotcha.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
I had used them for a thing that I get done.
You know, I don't like going downtown anymore. It's crazy.
I'm I'm up in the Northwest suburbs. You know, it
takes me an hour and a half to get downtown
and you sit with bumper to bumper traffic, So you
know when I would get phone calls, you know, people
would say, you know, well, you know, where can we
(17:18):
do this at? And I said, well, you know, let
me find some you know, let me find a studio.
So I was able to find this studio. And you know,
the two guys up there, Tim and and Scott were
great to work with. And uh, Hard Knox called me
and said, you know, this is what we're thinking of doing.
Uh you know, do you know anywhere we could go
to do And I said, well, give these guys a call,
(17:39):
and you know, let's let's see what works out. And
he called me back. He said, oh, it's perfect. You know,
we can get our camera in the in the sound
room and everything and we can do all of our
shots and all of that. So, you know, I got there,
you know, the week before, and they explained what they
were interested in doing. You know, they wanted to sort
of do a silhoue but that yeah, it really beat me,
(18:02):
you know for the reveal, right, and they did all
different kind of lighting tricks which you saw in there.
You know, it was kind of shadowy lighting and it
was it was very it was something that I wasn't
used to, you know, I say, I have a face
for radio.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
That's what I get a lot of. Usually that's the
lot that gets thrown on me a lot. I get that.
I get that during the championship years, who is your
favorite name to announce besides number twenty three?
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Oh Tony split growat shit?
Speaker 2 (18:39):
That one was always I always like the way you
did to Scottie, you know, always like going to the
down and I'm like Scottie, it was like almost going
a full of a doubt. That's a hard name to do,
and you're practicing trying to be right Clay one day.
It's interesting though. I've done a lot of studying of
different voices, and I remember I got close to gold
times to being Tony the Tiger and I had a
(19:00):
buy for about a week how he did the great
and realized that the guy has to go like all
the way down with his voice and then shoot him
back up. I remember listening to that kind of stuff
and being like, wow, there's a real like it's almostly
got to like exercise that out of my throat just
to even give me a gret like shoot it out.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah I did. I did something like that, oh about
a year ago for Fubo TV. Oh yeah, it was
like it was like they wanted me to do I
just couldn't do it. Couldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
How how OFMD are you? I mean, how often do
you get requests to do that? I know I got
you for a wedding, my wedding. I had you do
the the introductions. But is it is a constant? Is
it a weekly thing? Is it? Or is it god
spary now.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Or for a while? I mean I've done a lot
of weddings, you know, and I've done bar mitzvahs about
mitzvahs and things like that. You know, those commercial things
that really pay well. Right they're firing in between you know,
every once in a while, you know, something will come
around the corner and they'll go, hey, how about this.
You know, I did the live golf tournament last year,
(20:09):
you know, so they wanted the ray Clay introduction for
the golfers. This they got to the party polls.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Wow, I was gonna say, it's like you, Michael Buffer
and uh, you know, and maybe the only two other
people have an intro where you're like, I wanted to
fly out live. Not many people have like we want
the full treatment of what you do. So it's pretty
good that you're on like that kind of a radar.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I would say, it's it's interesting when you get a
call from you know, a corporate thing. You know, we're
having a sales meeting, and you know we want to
introduce our top sales people, but we want to do
it in a bull style.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Excellent, excellent. The show is called Arguments. We throw a
little funny topics at you. We met it a Robbie.
I'm fun with it. So with Joe on here, Joe,
you're still here, I'm here, Dan, all right, Joe, because
you're the third person. This is all right, Clay, I
want I'm gonna play you two clips of audio and
tell me which one is better. Are you ready? Here's
(21:11):
number one, kid time. Now, that was definitely from the last, uh,
the last appearance he did when it was in Philadelphia.
That's number one. Here's number two, one of a favorite
(21:33):
one of mine that he did at back in twenty thirteen.
Let's see if he's sol Rubbers exactly how this sounded.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Ladies and gentlemen, it's my pleasure to introduce.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
For the first time the newest team in the league.
Please stand and welcome our guest of honor, Jill and Dan. Lady,
I may are made not going to sleep to that
(22:05):
audio every night. I don't know about you, guys. That
might just be. That might be a Levy household thing.
But Joe Kelly, if you were a pick which one
you don't want to hear? Get which one is the
better one? You're putting me in a tough fot here, Dan,
because I like Jill, but it's Michael Jordan. I was
gonna say that, Jordan, what I really that one is
so much better. I agree with you. I'll take yours,
(22:27):
all right, raight covering Since you were with the Bulls,
the greatest starting five of names? You like to say,
who were the five names in Chicago bulls here? Doesn't
have to be Bulls, could be even players that were
that weren't even playing for the Balls at the time.
Who are the top five names that you're like? I
like saying that name.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Oh well, God, think about that. I hate to say
Joe Dumars because I didn't like the distance.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
But he had. But you're right the way when you
say Doubars is more. Sometimes you can hit a name
that just feels Dubars.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
I'm trying to think there were there were some guys
that I really you know, downplayed saying their name like,
uh oh, was it Bill from from Detroit Lambier, Lambier.
I would call him lame beer.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Bill lay Beer, that's right. And it was always funny
to hear you what you would do, Magic Johnson, because
when you hear the name of Magic Johnson, so many
people say and so on, like you're like Irvin Magic Johnson.
Like the name of Magic was like so understood, Like
that's kind of funny that name, even that cool still
gets his very Magic Johnson.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Funny thing. During that first championship versus Los Angeles, you know,
the game was going on. I was caught up with
the game and Michael made a you know, a fantastic
thing and I said Magic Jordans and somebody said you.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I was gonna ask if there was any kind of
a blooper, because I remember I did some bobbing ad
dress announcing for the ball, and it's really easy to
say the wrong name or or switching out by that,
and it's it's live and it's instant reaction. It's a
scary thing. Yep, all right, best in arena food, but
you go to any arena, what is the best food
(24:23):
item when you're watching a sporting event or any kind
of event at a sporting arena.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
It's got to be the pretzel with cheese sauce.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Ooh, that one really is good.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
You're right, get a good dip on the pretzel and
cheese sauce. Because I really don't care for nachos. I
don't like the jilapinos, so.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
There's more it would have been. There's more intention given
the nachos I've noticed because there's always is there some olipedos?
Is there? None? Is there too much cheese? If it's
all over the chips or my finger is gonna get
all involved? How many napkins do I gotta go with?
I would agree, I would prefer the pretzel over the nachos. Joe,
what y'all? What arena food do you like the most?
I'm a hot dog guy, Dan got stick of the tradition.
(25:06):
Hot dog is always good. Yeah, well maybe on the few,
I think a beer. I think I have the adult
with that's right, one beer, one beer. You're only gonna
have one print solo, only have one hot dog. I'll
have the one beer for sixteen to twenty dollars. We
went to the White Sox game. It was my wife,
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my son, and myself each got a dog, each got
a soda. It was fifty dollars. Fifty dollars for a
set of three of hot dogs. I think you go
to a minor league game, you can pretty much get
that front of nine dollars.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Oh, definitely, you go to dollar hot dog game for
the Chicago Dogs. Yes, the way to do it.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
And the White Sox are playing just like that, so
they might as well break the prices down to these days.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
All right, here's an obscure one for you. Would you
rather go in the past to fix a mistake? Would
you rather go with the future to fix a mistake?
Speaker 1 (26:03):
I think I'd rather go in the future to fix
a mistake because you know, you at least you have
time to think about it. What are the ramifications of
what happened?
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Agreed? Agreed, it happened right, Joey jojo? Which would well,
you go in the future because you know it had
to be pretty bad for going in the future to
fix it.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
So I'm going to say future.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
I would Actually, I would agree with you. Guys. Usually
I try to go on Devil's Advocate, but I think
about to fix a mistake I did in the past.
I might not be where I am right now, so
who knows where life would have gone. And I'm kind
of in a spot I am right now because that's so.
If Doc ever comes down to the deloreate it says, Dad,
we've got to get you to the future, I'd probably
all right. I got recyclables. Let's do it. Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Stupid is stupid?
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Is exactly exactly all right. I will say this, mister
ring Clay. I appreciate you coming on the podcast. There's
a lot of fun for us.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Oh glad to do it. It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Excellent, excellent, Well for Joe Kelly. My name is Dan Levy.
Once again, you've been listening to Arguments. Give us a
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Clay for coming on the show.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Uh glad to do it.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
We'll do it again, so and see everybody
Arguments is recorded in front of a live studio audience.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
What's up everybody and now just kidding? Welcome to another
episode of Pargaments. I am your host, Dan Levy, along
with me, as always, my co host Joe Kelly. What
I'm Joe? Hi?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Dan, I already missed the Olympics?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Do you? I think you're the only one?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
No, I really don't. I just like saying that. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Okay, Thanks want Joe. For today's episode, we have a
spectacular one. Annie Bulls or NBA fan will instantly recognize
our guest's voice. He's known as the former Chicago Bulls
publican dress announcer over ten seasons, six championships, and for
his most famous player introduction in basketball history so much
they've copied it pretty much everywhere else. He's been out,
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married with children, and he's been in He Got Game
And if you were watching this past week's HBO's Hard Knocks,
he was featured in that as well. Ladies and Gentleman.
One of the main reasons I even gotten broadcasting Ray Clay.
What's that right? Hey? Dan?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
How are you? Thanks? Hey, Joe? I really miss Snoop Dogg.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Actually, you know you're right.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
I missed that Snoop Dogg forever.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
If you were playing, if you were playing Mego in
today's game and you did not have Snoop Dogg as
Ray Clay's open incentence, I'm right there with you. I
did not see that one coming, and I'm impressed. I
am impressed, sir, very cool.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Well, I worked that out beforehand.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
That I was gonna say, you guys are really good
before I jumped on the zoom call time alright, know
or early? All right? So Ray, every time, I will
say this. When I was in high school in Omaha, Nebraska,
we didn't have any real sports teams, but we did
have WG in television, so that means Omaha is a
giant bank of Cubs fans and at that time Bulls
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fans because that's where they had all the games. And
I would literally, I think I was the only one
that recorded the Bulls games just for the starting life,
and I would watch it over and over and over
and over again, like I want to be just like
that guy when I get older. And then when I
my brother moved to Chicago, when I after I had
when we moved to high school in Omaha, my brother
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moved to Chicago to go to UIC and he having
to be a fraternity brother of yours. So the very
first Bulls game we went to my brother's like, hey,
do you want to beat Ray? I'm like, more than
I want to be, Jordan, and we got a chance
to actually meet you, and You've been like the coolest
guy in the world. They say sometimes don't be your heroes.
You're one of the ones. I tell everybody if you
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get to meet Ray, you're gonna love him. Well, thank you, Dan,
I will say this A lot of people do also
ask me, what does Ray Clay do besides the public
address announcing? Where does he go? What does he do?
Does he just lock himself up in a room and
take care of his voice? Now that you're here, do
you want to shed some line on exactly what you're
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doing in between before and how you even got to
being the bullsnouncer one of the most famous voices in
sports history.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Well, Ray was lucky at that point that you know,
he worked down at UIC. You know, I was able
to work with the Bulls and do some programming kind
of things with them, so I got to know people
on the staff, and you know, luckily when Tommy Edwards left.
I knew the job was open, so I applied for
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it and got an interview, and I guess I passed
the interviews, and you know that was it from there
from then on, you know. So I did that for
you know, twelve years. There was twelve fun years. Well
actually the first six or seven were fun. After that,
you know, going through the Eddie Curry years and some
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of the other guys was Yes, it was a little
bit on the downside from where we were, you know,
coming off the mountain. After that, I was offering other
year or so. I had been doing UIC Flames basketball
during that time, so you know, I was doing that,
and all of a sudden I got a call from
the Chicago Sky and they said, hey, Ray, you know,
(04:10):
we're going to play our games at the UIC Pavilion,
and you know, we're wondering if you'd want to be
the PA guy for us. So I went and I
did an interview, I met Dave Cowens and some of
the staff, and I did Sky for twelve years. So
you know, that's pretty much my professional gig right in there.
And luckily for me, you know, I would get phone calls,
(04:31):
you know, periodically. Hey, you know, are you interested in
doing this? Hey, we got a commercial. We'd love for
you to read for the commercial. Or I did Married
with Children as you had brought up, and you know,
Spike Lee was down at the stadium and we did
he got game and that was kind of cool.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
So that is awesome. That is very cool. Like I said,
I mean whatever people think of like iconic Chicago sports
announcers that nineties, I mean you were the guy and
you brought up Tommy was the guy before you. For
everybody out here that is a that was Tommy who
was the Tommy Edwards who was on WLS and he
was actually the originator of the starting lineup. Said, A
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lot of stables was there before you got on, like
the serious the music was there and the man of
the middle. How do you go into a situation because
I've done broadcasting before, I've come in for other people
that I've already had stables that have already been built out.
How do you come in there and go I know
exactly how I'm going to put my own spin on there.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Well, you know, actually after I did that first audition game,
they called me into the office the next day and
they said, hey, can you come down at lunchtime? So
I went down there and they had a VHS tape
and it was Tommy Edwards interest in announcing Horace Grant,
and then right after that they had Ray Clay announcing
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Horace Grant from the night before, and then Tommy introducing
Scottie Pippen, and then Ray Clay doing Scottie Pippen and
Bill Kart right Ray Clay and they go, well, let's
see Horror Grant. We want you to put a little
more references on the whore instead of the ass. And
then you know they said your Skytie Pippen was okay,
(06:11):
and you know, Bill Cartwright, you know, you really have
to emphasize the man in the middle. So, you know,
I went through the whole thing, and you know, Michael Jordan,
they said, you know, Michael Jordan, nobody's going to hear
you anyway, so you know, whatever you say from Michael Jordan's.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I will.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
So I went back and did a game, you know,
a day or so later, and you know, use what
their influences, what they wanted me to to say, and
you know, after that everything was history. So basically what
I tried to do was you know, as the Bulls
became popular and you know, we got into the NBA
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Finals and the consecutive streets, the sellouts and everything. I
just really tried to put a lot of energy into
the introduction because I felt that that was a way
to get the crowd amped up for the beginning of
the game. You know, you get your first couple of
minutes of the game, and you know, you got that
momentum going, You're gonna intimidate a lot of other teams.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
That's true, and a lot of people weren't im It's
funny because my son, he's really an NBA two K
these days. He's in the basketball and I've definitely taken
him down some Ray Clay stuff. You're actually in NBA
two K twenty three, which has been pretty cool to me,
like that's Ray's voice. And additionally to that, I've showed
him the actual starting lineup was from the ninety six,
(07:32):
because that's like one of the better quality YouTube ones
that are out there. And he's always like, you know,
when he does the first couple, he's like, I can't
wait to him say Michael Jordan and I go, you're
gonna have to listen closely. The broadcast actually has it better.
But when I want to see a game live, I
couldn't hear you at all. When you said, Michael Jordan,
did it was? I was shocked to hear just how
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loud that was.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah, it was. It was crazy in the old stadium
in Chicago State because the way the building was built,
you know, it was pretty much up and down where
now all of the new stadiums are bowls, and you know,
they have different acoustic qualities to them. But that building,
you know, they had a wooden ceiling which they had
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built for the organ, and all the sound would come
directly down, so during hockey games, you know, it would
flood the ice with the sound, and during bulls games,
you know, it would just come right down to the floor.
Interesting thing was when they when they built the United Center,
they actually brought me in when they were sound tuning
the building. They had a company come in and you know,
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put all the speaker systems in different areas and they
wanted me to emulate my starting lineup and with crowd
noise and things like that that they piped in so
that they could make sure that the sound was equal
in all parts of the stadium. That was kind of interesting.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
I was going to say that that sounds I would
love to be one of the few people it's like,
all right, do it, I just want it. Does these
figures out? Do it? Do it? Do it? I know,
turn it up to eleven, scream as a lot as
you want. Just do Michael Jordan's name over and over
there again, I don't care. Maybe what maybe Dennis rob
in one good time. That's about it. As far as
the kind of stuff that you were doing then and
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how it translated to other people. How much did it
take for people to be like, oh my god, we
got to start booking this guy for stuff. Because again,
you were on your on an NBA commercial, you got
pretty much copied everywhere. At some point, are you like, hey,
people are stealing my stuff or you kind of like
I kind of find it as a compliment that, you know,
you watch other starting lineups and the Feeding Suns during
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the NBA Finals was almost a replication of your starting
lineup in ninety three. So is there more of like, hey,
that's not cool, or uh, all right, I've started something,
let's let's keep running with it.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah. Actually, you know, the Phoenix Suns contacted me, you know,
and you know, wanted the lowdown on what I did,
so you know, I gave him what I did, but
I shared him, you know, to the Bulls front office
to get what they did. And it was funny. A
couple of years after they at you know, like when
the Bulls were in their down years, they were looking
for a new PA announcer. I got a feeler from them,
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would you be interested in coming down to Phoenix?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Oh my god?
Speaker 1 (10:22):
And I said, I don't know that travel would probably
kill me.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Well, I do remember before it ended for you with
the Bulls, and I remember because you and I had
become friends and I would see you in U I
see from time to time. I never went there, but
I lived by there. When I had hair, I'd go
to my haircut. During the last like season of you
being there, I remember, everybody was like, how are you
going to say his name when he comes back from
the Wizards? How are you going to say it? And
you were like my gul Jordan. And then for some
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reason that like stirred a stupid kind of wave and
then you found yourself not in that organization. And I
still think that is one of the dumbest reasons to
get rid of any broadcaster in our industry because it
just goes to show that no matter how good you are,
how popular you man that I think that those introductions
are just as famous as that team. For you to
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go out like that is I I apologize to you
with Bubby AffA bules fans, because I was. I think
I was the most upset about that one.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Well, you know it was it was crazy. You know.
In December, Ja and Doande came up to me during
a game I think the Lakers were in town or
something and that's why. And he said, hey, you know,
Michael's coming in with the Wizards in January. You know,
how are you going to introduce Michael? And you know,
it's one of those off the cuff kind of things.
I'm sitting at the squors table getting ready for the game,
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and I go, well, geez, I don't know, I said,
I would assume we're going to give him the Michael
Jordan introduction. You know, the guy's been an institution here,
he's got a statue out in front introducing him. Any
other way, well, you know, and then ten minutes later,
you know, somebody from the front office comes up to
me and says, you know, what are you doing talking
to the press, you know about the introduction from Michael Jordan.
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I said, just came up to me and asked me
a question. I said, you know, I didn't know what
we were going to do. I said, you know, I
just assumed since he's Michael Jordan, he's going to get
the full Michael Jordan. No, he's a visitor. Now we're
going to introduce him as a visitor. So you know,
come to January and Washington's in. You know, it's like,
you know, from North Carolina, a guy six six Michael Jordan's.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
And it was still like a nine minute standing ovation.
So I was like, what's the point of that?
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
It was.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
It was crazy. And then the following year, you know,
Steve Scott took over for me, sure, and you know,
the Wizards come into town, and you know, Steve gives
him the full Michael Jordan and he got a fifteen
minute standing.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Ovation, which drives me crazy because I remember watching that
and being like, ah, that was Ray. That should have
been the way Ray was doing it. That's not fair.
You know. I love Steve. I love Steve, and I
was just like, oh, man, I do miss the way
you would do.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
It, you know, I know Steve and I had talked
to him and he said, God, Ray, I felt so
bad for you. It was crazy. And you know, luckily
for me, Philadelphia called me, you know, for Michael's last game,
and I got to fly out to Philly and and
you know give him his final farewell. So I think
that that in my heart, you know, made me feel
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you know, fulfilled.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I was gonna ask you, was there any particular story
that came about more than just hey, do you want
to come out and do this? Or was it like,
was there something leading into the you coming out? Hey,
we want to we want to end it this way
with you coming out.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
It was just a.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Phone call from Philly one day and they said, hey,
you know, Michael's last game is coming up. You know,
are you available. We thought it would be cool, you know,
since you didn't get to announce him when you were there,
that you know, you could give Michael the farewell.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
That would have been the best. And that was the
best because I remember watching it. I still watch it
because I'm like, I'm always like, what did Jordan say
to you? I know he was surprised you and mj
was surprised when he saw you. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Yeah, he came over and I got a hug from me.
He said, thanks, man, that was really good.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
I was gonna say, did you ever have an actual
relationship with him during those years or was it always
more of just a uh, hey, how are you?
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Did it was more of a hey, how are you?
You know I when when I worked for the Bulls,
I wasn't, you know, a glory guy, you know, trying
to hang with everybody, and I, you know, I gave
them their space because I know that, you know, everybody
wants to be with them.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I wants to talk to them.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
But you know, Michael was cordial. You know, you'd see
me in the Hey, Ray, how you doing on your family?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
You know that's cool? That is really cool. Well, a
couple of things I have announced it. I'm sure you
might be able to hear it in my voice. I
got a bit of a cold when you were announcing,
and you do announcing stuff. What are your tricks of
the trade, A try not to get any kind of
cigarette and around your voice? And when you do have something,
what are your cures? What are your go tos to
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try to get all that stuff out there? So you
can do your job.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
You know. The funny thing when I went and did
my first game for the Bulls, the my audition, I
went to the concession stand and I got a you know,
a large coke with ice, you know, put it down
next to me. You know, I'm sitting there sucking on that,
you know, as I'm doing my announcing. And I noticed
after you know, the first couple games that I did,
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that boy, it's got I had a sore throat. You know,
it was really bothering me. So I actually knew a
professor at u C who was in speech and theater
and he was involved with some of the programs that
we did. So I sat down and talked with him
one day and he said, you know, well what do
you do? And I said, well, you know, I got
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a glass of coke with ice and everything. He goes,
that's the worst thing you could do. He said, Your
your vocal cords are a muscle, and you know that
coal constricts your muscle and makes it tighter. So you're
in you know, you're pushing air out through something that's
like a a taut rubber band. And he says, you're
going to hurt yourself. He said, you need to drink
(16:05):
just plain lukewarm water, you know, not Cole. Just drink
lukewarm and go from there. And he said, you know,
if your voice bothers you, he said, you know there's
that throw kat t. You know, I know that I
would do that once in a while, and I would
just try to stay away from sick babies.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
It's sick, I said. When you have kids just like
I do, they see them bring home every kind of
virus that my body has never heard of.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yes, they do.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Wow, gotcha? Gotcha. HBO's Hard Knots just called you and uh,
you're on. You're featured in episode one with the Chicago
Bears announcing Kyle Williams. How did that one come about?
And where do they feel me doing that? I was
trying to like figure out where that was.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Oh, that was actually at Sound Media in Evanston.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Gotcha.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
I had used them for a thing that I get done.
You know, I don't like going downtown anymore. It's crazy.
I'm I'm up in the Northwest suburbs. You know, it
takes me an hour and a half to get downtown
and you sit with bumper to bumper traffic, So you
know when I would get phone calls, you know, people
would say, you know, well, you know, where can we
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do this at? And I said, well, you know, let
me find some you know, let me find a studio.
So I was able to find this studio. And you know,
the two guys up there, Tim and and Scott were
great to work with. And uh, Hard Knox called me
and said, you know, this is what we're thinking of doing.
Uh you know, do you know anywhere we could go
to do And I said, well, give these guys a call,
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and you know, let's let's see what works out. And
he called me back. He said, oh, it's perfect. You know,
we can get our camera in the in the sound
room and everything and we can do all of our
shots and all of that. So, you know, I got there,
you know, the week before, and they explained what they
were interested in doing. You know, they wanted to sort
of do a silhoue but that yeah, it really beat me,
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you know for the reveal, right, and they did all
different kind of lighting tricks which you saw in there.
You know, it was kind of shadowy lighting and it
was it was very it was something that I wasn't
used to, you know, I say, I have a face
for radio.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
That's what I get a lot of. Usually that's the
lot that gets thrown on me a lot. I get that.
I get that during the championship years, who is your
favorite name to announce besides number twenty three?
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Oh Tony split growat shit?
Speaker 2 (18:39):
That one was always I always like the way you
did to Scottie, you know, always like going to the
down and I'm like Scottie, it was like almost going
a full of a doubt. That's a hard name to do,
and you're practicing trying to be right Clay one day.
It's interesting though. I've done a lot of studying of
different voices, and I remember I got close to gold
times to being Tony the Tiger and I had a
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buy for about a week how he did the great
and realized that the guy has to go like all
the way down with his voice and then shoot him
back up. I remember listening to that kind of stuff
and being like, wow, there's a real like it's almostly
got to like exercise that out of my throat just
to even give me a gret like shoot it out.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah I did. I did something like that, oh about
a year ago for Fubo TV. Oh yeah, it was
like it was like they wanted me to do I
just couldn't do it. Couldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
How how OFMD are you? I mean, how often do
you get requests to do that? I know I got
you for a wedding, my wedding. I had you do
the the introductions. But is it is a constant? Is
it a weekly thing? Is it? Or is it god
spary now.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Or for a while? I mean I've done a lot
of weddings, you know, and I've done bar mitzvahs about
mitzvahs and things like that. You know, those commercial things
that really pay well. Right they're firing in between you know,
every once in a while, you know, something will come
around the corner and they'll go, hey, how about this.
You know, I did the live golf tournament last year,
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you know, so they wanted the ray Clay introduction for
the golfers. This they got to the party polls.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Wow, I was gonna say, it's like you, Michael Buffer
and uh, you know, and maybe the only two other
people have an intro where you're like, I wanted to
fly out live. Not many people have like we want
the full treatment of what you do. So it's pretty
good that you're on like that kind of a radar.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I would say, it's it's interesting when you get a
call from you know, a corporate thing. You know, we're
having a sales meeting, and you know we want to
introduce our top sales people, but we want to do
it in a bull style.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Excellent, excellent. The show is called Arguments. We throw a
little funny topics at you. We met it a Robbie.
I'm fun with it. So with Joe on here, Joe,
you're still here, I'm here, Dan, all right, Joe, because
you're the third person. This is all right, Clay, I
want I'm gonna play you two clips of audio and
tell me which one is better. Are you ready? Here's
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number one, kid time. Now, that was definitely from the last, uh,
the last appearance he did when it was in Philadelphia.
That's number one. Here's number two, one of a favorite
(21:33):
one of mine that he did at back in twenty thirteen.
Let's see if he's sol Rubbers exactly how this sounded.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Ladies and gentlemen, it's my pleasure to introduce.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
For the first time the newest team in the league.
Please stand and welcome our guest of honor, Jill and Dan. Lady,
I may are made not going to sleep to that
(22:05):
audio every night. I don't know about you, guys. That
might just be. That might be a Levy household thing.
But Joe Kelly, if you were a pick which one
you don't want to hear? Get which one is the
better one? You're putting me in a tough fot here, Dan,
because I like Jill, but it's Michael Jordan. I was
gonna say that, Jordan, what I really that one is
so much better. I agree with you. I'll take yours,
(22:27):
all right, raight covering Since you were with the Bulls,
the greatest starting five of names? You like to say,
who were the five names in Chicago bulls here? Doesn't
have to be Bulls, could be even players that were
that weren't even playing for the Balls at the time.
Who are the top five names that you're like? I
like saying that name.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Oh well, God, think about that. I hate to say
Joe Dumars because I didn't like the distance.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
But he had. But you're right the way when you
say Doubars is more. Sometimes you can hit a name
that just feels Dubars.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
I'm trying to think there were there were some guys
that I really you know, downplayed saying their name like,
uh oh, was it Bill from from Detroit Lambier, Lambier.
I would call him lame beer.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Bill lay Beer, that's right. And it was always funny
to hear you what you would do, Magic Johnson, because
when you hear the name of Magic Johnson, so many
people say and so on, like you're like Irvin Magic Johnson.
Like the name of Magic was like so understood, Like
that's kind of funny that name, even that cool still
gets his very Magic Johnson.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Funny thing. During that first championship versus Los Angeles, you know,
the game was going on. I was caught up with
the game and Michael made a you know, a fantastic
thing and I said Magic Jordans and somebody said you.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I was gonna ask if there was any kind of
a blooper, because I remember I did some bobbing ad
dress announcing for the ball, and it's really easy to
say the wrong name or or switching out by that,
and it's it's live and it's instant reaction. It's a
scary thing. Yep, all right, best in arena food, but
you go to any arena, what is the best food
(24:23):
item when you're watching a sporting event or any kind
of event at a sporting arena.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
It's got to be the pretzel with cheese sauce.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Ooh, that one really is good.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
You're right, get a good dip on the pretzel and
cheese sauce. Because I really don't care for nachos. I
don't like the jilapinos, so.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
There's more it would have been. There's more intention given
the nachos I've noticed because there's always is there some olipedos?
Is there? None? Is there too much cheese? If it's
all over the chips or my finger is gonna get
all involved? How many napkins do I gotta go with?
I would agree, I would prefer the pretzel over the nachos. Joe,
what y'all? What arena food do you like the most?
I'm a hot dog guy, Dan got stick of the tradition.
(25:06):
Hot dog is always good. Yeah, well maybe on the few,
I think a beer. I think I have the adult
with that's right, one beer, one beer. You're only gonna
have one print solo, only have one hot dog. I'll
have the one beer for sixteen to twenty dollars. We
went to the White Sox game. It was my wife,
(25:26):
my son, and myself each got a dog, each got
a soda. It was fifty dollars. Fifty dollars for a
set of three of hot dogs. I think you go
to a minor league game, you can pretty much get
that front of nine dollars.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Oh, definitely, you go to dollar hot dog game for
the Chicago Dogs. Yes, the way to do it.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
And the White Sox are playing just like that, so
they might as well break the prices down to these days.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
All right, here's an obscure one for you. Would you
rather go in the past to fix a mistake? Would
you rather go with the future to fix a mistake?
Speaker 1 (26:03):
I think I'd rather go in the future to fix
a mistake because you know, you at least you have
time to think about it. What are the ramifications of
what happened?
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Agreed? Agreed, it happened right, Joey jojo? Which would well,
you go in the future because you know it had
to be pretty bad for going in the future to
fix it.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
So I'm going to say future.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
I would Actually, I would agree with you. Guys. Usually
I try to go on Devil's Advocate, but I think
about to fix a mistake I did in the past.
I might not be where I am right now, so
who knows where life would have gone. And I'm kind
of in a spot I am right now because that's so.
If Doc ever comes down to the deloreate it says, Dad,
we've got to get you to the future, I'd probably
all right. I got recyclables. Let's do it. Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Stupid is stupid?
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Is exactly exactly all right. I will say this, mister
ring Clay. I appreciate you coming on the podcast. There's
a lot of fun for us.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Oh glad to do it. It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Excellent, excellent, Well for Joe Kelly. My name is Dan Levy.
Once again, you've been listening to Arguments. Give us a
five star review and write a review if you can,
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Please go ahead and share this with like minded friends.
And if you have a argument you want to send
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(27:25):
lot of arguments and sometimes we grab those for the
show itself, so send them that way. Once again, for
Joe Kelly. My name is Dan Levy. Thank you Ray
Clay for coming on the show.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Uh glad to do it.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
We'll do it again, so and see everybody
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