April 25, 2025 • 39 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Arguments has been recorded in front of a live studio audience.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
What's up everybody? All right, welcome into another exciting edition
of Arguments once again. I am your host, the head
bargainer of the table, Dan Levy. With me is my
co host Joey Joey Shebano, Joe Filippa, my former college
radio co host and guy who was with me for
(00:25):
this funny venture. And our other guest today would be
from WGN Radio, also the host of the Cannabis Man podcast,
Don lyon Clevin Football Expert as well. Gentlemen, thanks for
jumping on on quick Barguments. How is everybody doing?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Wonderful? I'm doing fantastic.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Some point we're gonna get Joe some real lights in
there so maybe we can see what his face looks
like and we can enjoy him from there. Don this
is interesting. We're gonna start sports wise because the draft
has gone on in the NFL Draft, and if you're watching,
this is only Friday, so there's gonna be much more
going on. But after the first day, I've seen all
I can see. The Bears got a pretty good guy.
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I know a lot of people are summerre down. When
some people are very up on this guy, and let's
see if Colston Loveland can be the man. I'm go
with it.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
I think it's I think it's one of the biggest
head scratchers of the first round though, and he does
look like a dynamic player. I think it was clearly
a Ben Johnson choice. Seemed like he wants his Sam
Laporta like they have at the Lions, a nice receiving
tight end who can also block. But the using the
number ten pick overall for a guy that was projected
a little bit later in the rounds.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
You go get your guy if he's the one, but
definitely unexpected. I'll say that one of the ones that
people did not see coming, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Joey Jojo the Detroit Lions, I know he snagged your head, coach,
I know you. What did you think from what you
thought of the draft, at least the first round?
Speaker 5 (01:56):
You know, I thought it was interesting that they also
drafted a tight end there for the Bears, but that
is that is Dan Johnson's specialty. He does like running
two tight end sets a lot. I'm actually surprised didn't
trade down and maybe go get another running back because
you see the duo they have in Detroit with their
running backs. I'm surprised I didn't bring in someone else
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to compliment them. But maybe they'll find that in the
second round or third round. I mean, it is a
deep class for running backs.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
This is a deep class. This is why I kind
of thought it was kind of weird that the Bears
didn't really trade up or down in this situation. Don
I kind of thought that I would least see some
sort of headway. I know that they were all in
a genty and trying to maybe grab a good running back,
but I am still I'm good with the tight end.
I just really want more protection for Caleb.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Yeah, and that's why I think he's going to have
to be a He's going to have to do some blocking.
I know that his tape you see a lot of
the receiving stuff. And again, when people think of Laporta
in Detroit, you think of the receiving plays that he's made.
But there's no question, I mean, the Bears did a
lot in free agency to address their O line needs.
That put him in a position in this drafts where
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they could take the best guy available. That's clearly what
they felt about the tight end, they took that. He
was the guy that they really wanted, and it is
another weapon for Caleb, that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
But it was an interesting choice.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
I think once Jacksonville moved up and people saw the price,
they went and got Travis Hunter at two from five.
That took a lot next year's first round pick and
a few this year. I think the price for the
Bears to have moved up into the five, if they
were going to go get giant that running back, maybe
it was just too much for them to take.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Can I just say it is hilarious the situation that's
going on in Colorado with Chador Sanders not getting drafted
what everybody thought it was gonna be a one or two,
and they're trying to retire to that guy's number in
Colorado who hasn't done anything for that college. All right,
I don't know what that was, but that was amazing.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Donnas Schader's meditated.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I know that that was Sanders trying to get on
the line. Here, we'll come right back to him. We'll
love the well love to wait this album. We talked
trash about his son here for a second, But what
do you make of that? Why didn't should Door Sanders
not get selected.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Man, I for my money character stuff. The stuff that
I was reading is that his pre draft interviews left
a lot of front offices turned off, bad taste.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
In the mouth.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
And the reality is also that you know, like you mentioned,
he hasn't done much for Colorado as well. Even though
teams are quarterback needy, there aren't guys that are really
standing up to last year's class. And I think that,
you know, once you got past cam Ward there there
really isn't a sure thing. And so I think, you know,
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things happen happen as the draft goes on cornerbacks on defense.
People expected a lot more of them to go, but
they slid down. And clearly somebody's gonna now come out
early in the second round and end up with Shador.
Whether that's Cleveland or a team like Pittsburgh, We'll see
who it ends up being, but he'll go. But it
is kind of funny to see him not go in
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the first after that room set up and all that.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
You know, Joey, what do you make of it?
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Would that not be the most Cleveland thing to take
Sanders with their next pick. They can't hit on a
quarterback if their life depended on it. But that is
such the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
No, it would be the Cleveland thing, the snag him
as soon as they could and give him a max
contract without knowing anything about him at all. It's also
a very Jets and a Giants thing to go all
out and get somebody like that. But with that said,
debitly a argument that comes up with this argu real quick,
(05:52):
we'll do this Jador Sanders, because that's first and foremost.
We're gonna tackle more of the NFL on air. In
a second, who is worse for their kids' future in sports?
Is it Dion Sanders or LaVar Ball. LaVar Ball went
on a tour saying that his kids were gonna be
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the three greatest NBA players of all time, and he
was two for three. One of them got arrested in
Japan for stealing sunglasses that hurt his draft choices. Lonzo
Ball has been really good of your starting your all
time injured list, and LaMelo Ball is good, but I
wouldn't say he's the future of anything right now. So
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that guy, I think, only decreased their odds in the
NBA in Jingstem Now, Dion Sanders is way above the
Mark because he is or he's probably one of the
greatest of all time in his position in football, as
far as a cornerback is concerned. Who has been worse
for their children? Would you say?
Speaker 3 (06:52):
You know, I'll take this one.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
Because I was out last night for the draft at
a bar in this topic actually came up, and I
swear on my kids, and I have to say that
the majority of the people that I talked to about this,
they all said Ball. They said LaVar, Ball over Dion Sanders.
And you can make a case for either or it's
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one A and one B. In my opinion, I think
they're both doing a disservice for the kids. But from
what I heard last night, not even twenty four hours ago,
it was it was Ball all the way.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
It's a good thing we have our thumb on the
pulse here of what's going on. Which one do you
think don who has been worse? LaVar or Prime Time?
Speaker 4 (07:35):
I think I think Joe's sampling from Out in the
Wild Held is accurate.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I do think it's Ball, mainly because he's done it.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
More like he said, Dan, he's got three kids and
he ruined all of that. It's just shoulder right now.
For for Dion, he's only done it, done it with
one thus far, but he does have you know, he
does have another kid that's gonna, you know, expected to
be drafted at some point. But I do think setting
the expectations as high as Dion has is really really difficult.
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It's already shown that to be bad for Shaudor, and
you know he's not going to change his behavior when
his other son comes up and it's it's his time
to get called in the draft. I would say, I
mean Dion is coaching in Colorado and getting involved and
basically doing some of the pre draft interviews. To Dion's
got a higher profile than LaVar Ball does, even though
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you know he got out there. Everyone knows Primetime, so
what Dion says that those quotes get all over the place.
And I think the awareness of those expectations was even
higher for Shauduer, and we're seeing how that's played out.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
I would say the worst out of the two is
always going to be Primetime. Dion sanders LaVar Ball, and
nobody really actually really knew who he was, the fact
that he went on television sand that he could beat
Michael Jordan in his prime one on one and then
going on ESPN and then and flirting with women getting
banned from ESPN for life. That is like WWE To me,
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that is just entertainment. And the thing is with his kids,
all three of them have the personality of a wet sock.
So none of those three went into any pre interviews
and said something that was off the charts. Just the
dad went around, opened his mouth, and the kids just
kind of went in there and did it. The problem
is with Dion Sanders is he's so high profile, so
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good at what he did that even in college, he's
just been running his mouth or to the point where
you're really rooting against him. If LaVar Ball was coaching
a basketball team where he was doing that, then I
would say he's getting to that level. But because Dion
is at a spot where he was putting his entire
team in arms way every time they play, because he's
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talking so much trash and getting so upset and going
after Stephen A. Smith, that is bad. And then when
you start to breathe that air to your son, who
clearly has the same personality of Dionni he still has
the swagger, the giant chain, that root that he was
in it looked like something out of the WWE like
Rick like they all went shopping at Rick Flair's closet,
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and to know that it rained in that room, normally
I would feel bad, And like if that happened Lonzo
Ball where they did not pick him, I would feel
bad because I'm like, Oh, this poor guy is so quiet.
He's letting his dad run his mouth and he's just
sitting there taking it, believing in him. But Shador bought
the hive. He's all in and to see him like that,
it's just one. It's probably one of the top three
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most hilarious sports moments to be of all time.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Okay, what if they've a failed shoe company like the
Balls did, then do you put You know, that might
tip the scales.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
For you know what. I can see Pozi scheme happening
to the Sanders at some point. It a'll happen. Not
that I'm wish it bad, but that guy is way
too brash not to have guys like that rubbing around
him at all times and doing that kind of stuff.
But yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
Remember, are they going to retire his draft number whenever
he gets picked.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
To They said him not going in those rounds cost
him about thirty nine million dollars. That's how much that
by not doing the draft pick. So I would also
add that on to a worst thing because LaVar Ball
is an idiot. But his two sons went in the
top lottery of their draft. The other one, Mellow, did not.
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He was not good, but at least he got him
in some preseason workouts and some he got him signed,
so he did get those guys on the field. As
of right now Friday, April twenty fifth and one, twenty
five Central Standard time, Shadore Sanders is on the same
NFL team as the three of us. So I'm gonna say,
Dion Sanders, you're the worst father in this case, not
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as a dad, but you hurt your kid's career. Can
we agree on that?
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Fine, I agree with you. Forty mili should Yeah, I'll
agree with that.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
If I should do her, I'm going to dad and saying, hey, Dad,
how about how about you will pay the difference?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Heydud, how wut we get hot? We can just go
get me Drew Rosenhause and he can do the talking
for me from now on you go back to college.
I appreciate everything did. If you can put my number
up there. That'd be pretty cool. Oh that, let's just
let's let's le let's I'm I'm gonna change my last name.
I will now go into Shador Johnson and we'll once
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this kind of blows over, we can we can, we
can recovene man. I'll see Thanksgiving. I'll see you Thanksgiving.
I'll see it Thanksgiving now. Because there's always some weird
things that go on in the draft and we can't tell,
we can't tell what this draft is gonna be. Who's
a bus who's not? But for the sake of it,
I always like to bring this argument up. The biggest
bust in NFL draft history. Who do you guys have
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on your list?
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Ryan Leaf? Has to be Ryan Leaf?
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Right?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yes, Yes, arrested after his NFL drafted higher than Peyton
Manning and issues that he played horribly.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yeah, because he was the number one for San Diego
Dagger was he not? Yes?
Speaker 4 (13:05):
He was there, you go, he taken overall. He's the
incredible bulk was the nickname, I believe, and then he
the worst. What makes it worse the fact that he
like hardly played for them because he, you know, had
a terrible addiction to like the painkillers. He was the
he was, you know, worse than Farv like and and
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you know, at least far have actually played Bruce stuff.
But so not only did Maderrich not play, but in
that same draft Right was taken, Troy Aikman was taken,
Dion Sanders was taken, speaking of and Barry Sanders was
also immediately after Manderrich. So I think the fact that
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those Hall of Famers go right afterward and that guy
ended up what happening with him, I say it's Tony
Manderrich hands down.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
There's a lot of people I can give it to.
Honorable mentions to JaMarcus Russell, who held out for that
monster contract, came in out of shape last and only
three seasons, and he was just labeled as neee. They
made him watch game tapes that were labeled game film.
He said he watched them and they were blank. That
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is obviously the biggest Homer Simpson move of any of
all time. Trent Richardson also a pretty bad one. And
I'll also give it to Johnny Football, Johnny Manziel. That
one has been noted, but if you're gonna give you
one that I could say it was the real bust
Ricky Williams will always be number one. I think what
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Dick gave up eight draft Piggs for him to go
ahead and snap that guy. He became an inclusive, reclusive
guy who would stay in his room. I remember here
this one. I was working in Nike Town. This was
a year two thousand when I was working there.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
And something like that. It was a huge deal.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
It was a huge deal. But when I was working
at Nike Town, we would always get whatever visiting teams
would come in. They'd come in to Nike Town because
a lot of them were, you know, endorsed by him,
and any athlete that was a Nike guy would get
to go and shop on the fourth floor, which was
just all the shoes, and they got to walk around
and pick any shoes they wanted for them, their family,
whatever they wanted. They could just get shoes. And some
of the guys from the New Orleans Saints at the
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time came in and I was like, oh, hey, where's
Ricky Williams. And I remember I forgot who it was.
The guy walked right up to me and goes, he's
in his hotel room right now crying, and then walked
past me, and I was like, WHOA. I don't know
if he saw the truth or not. But when your
players are telling the cashier Nike Town that their number
one draft pick is in his hotel room, probably crying,
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that's gonna be the one bus for me of all time, easily, easily.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
I'm trying to we need to go back and watch
the Draft Day of the movie. I got no argument
because with all the draft picks and then uh getting
thrown around, and then also with bo callahan not reading
the playbook. They put one hundred dollars bill in the
back and said it means a lot of similar stuff. Yes,
crafts NFL Draft. So I'm wonder if some of that
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was actually why they thought of it.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
You know what, since I saw that the Draft Day
the movie was good. I was entertained by it, especially
the last part where he got pretty cheesy and he
was able to save the day. For some reason, I
watched that movie and I said to myself, I'm not
really sure Kevin Consert is that good of an actor.
The way the way he was being in that movie,
and the way he's like, let me do my job.
Let me do my job. If you don't like me,
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fire me, let me. I remember being like, why does
everybody say this guy? Since you can actor? And then
when you watch like Field of Dreams, I could have
been like, Dad, you want to be catching That is
the worst. That's the worst movie of all time.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Yes, yeah, I think we're creating right.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
This might be the movie.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Field of Dreams is good.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
This might be the one argument that led to about
six other arguments. But I would say The Water World
was the worst. But just the acting of him in
other movies, You're just like he was always like a
good like he was really good at bull Durham, Bull Durham,
I will give you bull Derby was good. But then,
like I said, in Field of Dreams, it was very
I thought it was kind of cheesy. And then a
draft day, just like, let me do my job. I
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just remember him saying that over and over again, be
like I could do that line, and I'm a horrible actor.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Who's the owner? The actor?
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Who's the owner? At the end where you had a
great day? That was the cheesiest line I've ever heard
in the sports movie?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yes, who was that? I'm trying to think of it.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
I can't even remember his name for the life, but
I do remember Dennis Leary being the coach.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Now that that was a good actor. I like Dennis Leary.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
I'll take him.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
I am a fan of the Leary. I am a
fan of the Lary. All Right, onto another argument. This
one's gonna be another sports one Hot ninety seven. There's
a lot of things people do with AI these days.
Chat ebt. People are doing like action figures and now
people are doing Mount Rushmore's where you can going to
chat ebt, give me the Mount Rushmore with these faces
on it. And this one's gonna be more NBA, but
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it's all a big one. It's the Mount Rushmore of
NBA players of all time. And these are the four
names they had on there. And I've if you're listening
to this podcast Facebook group Argument's Podcast, it's a really
cool group. There's a lot of stuff that goes in
and on there, and then you get participating in all
the good arguments and we often pick stuff from there
because it gets a really good reaction. And people are
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still arguing me about this one. But the four that
they had on there, Michael Jordan, Lebron, James Kareem Abdul Jabbar,
and Steph Curry. Now for me, I'm the one that says,
I don't think Steph Curry belongs to that list. I
will give Lebron James that. I just think you gotta
switch Steph Curry from Magic Johnson. But that is my
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personal So Lebron, Jordan Kareem, and Steph Curry that's who
they got. What do you guys see moving in and
out of that list? Because it's always a hot topic
of who are the four greatest of the foremost influential
NBA players of all time?
Speaker 5 (19:01):
Oh man, there's so many, and I you know, I
I have to think about dy.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
One, Donnie g who do you see in them out?
Speaker 5 (19:12):
Rush for it.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I'm gonna I'll put it in our pertual chat so
you guys can see it. Yeah, your your instinct. My
Steph Curry was the only one that struck my ear
as wrong too, and Magic Johnson was the guy that
I immediately thought of that needed to be on there. I
also like, looking over the years, guys like Larry.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Hold on your your audio is freezing up, buddy, you
are freezing on my side. And these ladies and gentlemen
are why I don't edit these podcasts because this is
just truly hilarious to me, this is all staying. It's
all staying, all right, Joey until Donnie can come back
and join us, and we'll just laugh at his frozen
face for a little bit. Some people would say the
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ones that are left out Larry Bird, Bill Russell, Wilt Shack,
these are all even Tim Duncan are people that would
throw in these lists. I don't see Steph Curry in
that top ten. Don are you back with me? Not really,
I can't hear you at all.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
See my initial thought was Larry Bird, yes, and then
Will Chamberlain.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Those those were the two.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
I was like, okay, Steph would have to come off.
As far as I'm not the biggest lebron fan, obviously,
I think Jordan is the man. All the comparisons to
go back and forth between the.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Two, I don't get it. But if I'm with you,
take off, take Steph off, and my first two would
either be Bird or Wilt.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
I just don't know what gel you can flip a
coin on in my opinion, but I think you're both
should be up there.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I would say this, Jordan, lebron Kareem and Steph all
have more than three championships, so that's the one that's
that doesn't for me. If we're gonna go championships, Bill
Russell probably should be on there. But it's hard for
me to talk about players that I never saw. And
there's a lot of there's a lot of people that
say things like, you know, the guys back in those
days when you know Bill Russell and Will Chamberlain played that,
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everybody had side jobs. They were plumbers, there were firefighters,
there were other things, all because back then the NBA
did not make any money. But to be honest, a
lot of those guys back in those days, the playing
field wasn't normal. Like Will Chamberlain and Bill Russell. They
were playing a bunch of six three white dudes, and
they were like giants. And Will Chamberlain was like an
Olympic athlete. He was like a man of mythical proportions
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when it comes to all kinds of sports. And I
would say Bill Russell, I mean he was I mean,
both those guys. You watched those highlights and Bill Russell
jumped over people because they were so small and they
were so fast and so athletic that it's hard for
me to like, really, I mean, Will Chamberlain scored one
hundred points in those days. Can you imagine what Jordan
would have done to those guys back in those days?
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Can you imagine what Lebron James? I mean, I understand
why people hate Lebron. I do. Lebron has been very
brash and he's been the problem. I think that people
hate about Lebron is that he became the face of
He became the face of the NBA. But people are
still not really letting go of Jordan. But a lot
of people like Kobe who never really tackled it, who
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always said the no, MJ's the greatest of all time,
He's my big brother, blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
He was.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
People allowed Kobe to live in that space because he
said things like that, and he was a disciple of MJ.
MJ gave him advice. Lebron just said, you know, I'm
my own guy, I'm the king, and I'm gonna be better.
And I think that's why the negativity came out because
when Cleveland won, he said he was the greatest of
all time. So I understand the hate of it. But well,
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Lebron is done for the MVPs for twenty years and
his head is still jumping over the hoop and he's
now the leading scorer. It's hard not to say that
he doesn't deserve a spot on that Mount Rushmore. You know, no, I.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Agree, he deserves to be up there.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
And you know, if you brought up Kobe, would you
consider Kobe at all? Because Kobe was a pretty good
ambassador of the game, was a great player.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I would too. But here's the problem that you know,
I love Kobe Bryant. Kobe and I had a mutual friend,
so I was kind of cool with him, and I
named a cat after him. I love Kobe Bryant. I
loved that cat, and I love Kobe Bryant. He was
probably one of my favorite lakers of all time. The
only knock I have against Kobe Bryant is that I
think those first three titles he had were shacks. Shaquille
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O'Neil was just if you look at that stuff, and
Kobe was so good, but Shaq was the deciding factor.
He was so huge, he was so big, and he
was just an immovable object that the NBA could not
deal without him. And then once he left, it took
Kobe to completely rebuild a team that he could trust
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to win those championships. But had Shaq stayed and Kobe
was the one that left, I think Shaq would have
won one more title with the Lakers just because he
was just so big. Without Kobe, I think Shaq would
have won it because he went. He went to Miami
Heat the next year and he won one with dawayde Wade,
and d Wade was still like an up and coming guy.
I still think there would have been enough enough pieces
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in Los Angeles for shack to have won and one
more time, because again he had one more year of
that pure dominance, and he was so good that everybody
left the guy like Dwayne Wade alone. And that's what
make Kobe so good, because you couldn't double Kobe because
you needed two or three guys to double Shack, and
then one Shack left, then you can't leave Kobe Bryant alone.
And again it's not no knock on Kobe Bryant what
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he could have done and how he sacrificed himself for
the team. But when you start talking about Mount Rushmore's
greatest of all time, that's the reason I don't put
him in it. And then Shackley would put him on
better than Lebron. He always puts Kobe as number two.
But I remember those series way too much. I put
a lot of money on those series, and I can
tell you right now the only thing I ever kept
saying was thank God for Shaquille O'Neil.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Hopefully one more money than he lost on it.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
I think so too.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
I think so if you take Rodman on it would
with the Bulls one that second round at three piece.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
No, No, he would not have, and I would. I'd
say that a lot too. The thing that made the
Bulls good that first won, Horace Grant, MJ. Was the elite.
He was the guy that everybody focused on and again
doubled and triple team. Scottie Pipman was the other elite
because he was the wingman who could carry the offense
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and did defense. But guys like Dennis Robin and Horace
Grant understood the dirty work, the rebounds and out the passes.
When they did not have either of those guys, that's
why they didn't win that one against the Pacers, or
when they got the first playoff when they got knocked
out by the Orlando Magic and Horse Grant. Because there
was nobody to be that extra guy. There was no
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power forward that was able to kind of do that.
Dennis Rodman was of his own in the sense that
he could actually get into players heads. I'm not sure
the Bulls would have gotten past the Utah Jazz without
Dennis Romeny, even if Horace Grant was there, because Dennis
was in carlv Loan's head and there's no way if
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that guy wasn't there that Carl the Loade would have
lost that series. So I think Dennis Rodman will always
be the piece that they really needed that entire time.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Which is amazing because everyone always says how great Jordan is,
and then we literally just talked about would they have
wanted without Rodman and you just said, Nope, as good
as Jordan was, they wouldn't have done it. But same
thing with Kobe and Check. If you get them together,
they played great, they win championship. I mean, it's a
whole team. As good as Jordan is, he couldn't carry
the Bulls the entire way. You just said, how Horace
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Grant was there, how you had how you had Horace Grant,
how you had Dennis Rodman. I mean they had occur
with the first three or with the second three peat
packs in with the first round of three peats. So
you get a whole bunch of different players, you cycle
them in. Well, it's the team, not necessarily.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Just the player.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
You can look at all the statistics you want with Jordan, Lebron,
Kobe and all that, but you take out certain key players.
Are they still as great as they would? They still
have been as great as they worked. They didn't have
that great cat him Because you're talking about some really
good names around all these superstars.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Well, that's what it is, and that to me is
why Magic Johnson was the best, because he really, I mean,
Lebron was. Lebron is great at being a team player,
but Magic Johnson was the one that made everybody else better.
Lebron knows how to use this team. Magic knew how
to use this team to make them better. We wouldn't
be talking about half of those guys being in the
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Hall of Fame without Magic Johnson. Would James Worthy being
in the Hall of Fame, I'm not sure, would Vladie
Deevac be in the Hall of Fame. I'm not sure,
Kareem definitely, Michael Cooper no, so a lot of those guys.
I mean, when Lebron, James retires, nobody else is going
into it the Hall of Fame with him. He's gonna
be his own guy. Everybody on those teams Bosh was
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already on the bubble of it, but because he was
part of that Big three with him and Dwayne Wade,
he got in. Dwayne Wade was a Hall of Famer
without him. When Lebron goes in, nobody from this Laker
team was summering. Anthony Davis, who was already there, and
Luka Donci who's already been I'm sure a Hall of
Famer with or without him. But Tony Ko coach going
into the Hall of Fame without Jordan no, So I
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mean there's certain guys that you're gonna give that too.
So I definitely put Jordan. I definitely put Lebron. Kareem
won everything. He won every level and in college they
outlawed dunking because it was too easy for him. So
six NBA titles, six MVP's, was the leading scorer of
all time and had the most unstoppable shot. I give
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it to him. So I would give Jordan, Lebron, and
Kareem and f re Matt Johnson is that fifth one.
Don lyon Clevin before we switch off to our last topic,
is there any other one you would do?
Speaker 3 (28:38):
No, you guys covered it really well there.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
I do think the Bill Russell mentions Larry Bird like
all that's really important.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
But yeah, it's it's hard to argue.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
And Will Chamberlain, you know you talked about how Kareem
was so successful in college they outlawed dunking how many records?
Does Will Chamberlain still hold?
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I mean that was and when you jumped off, I'll
jump back. I'll get you back in it. But what
I I said Joe is the same thing I'll say
to you. It's hard for me to give the nod
to guys back then, and a lot of the guys
the knock on them is that they were all plumbers
and firefighters. But that's only because the NBA was not
a significant pain. Those guys had agains side jobs. I
think Jerry West actually sold tickets season tickets to people
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because he needed the extra money to be in that.
And so for me, Will Chamberlain, most of those guys
were like six four or sixty five white guys, and
Will Chamberlain and Bill Russell were seven footers. Will Chamberlain
was like an Olympic athlete and a freaking nature And
you can watch Highlands if you googled right now. If
you YouTube Bill Russell jumping over a player, there's like
two or three times where he was sprinting down the
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court and hovered over a player to rebound or score.
So I'm not taking anything away from those guys. What
they did is still amazing. But Will Chamberlain scored one
hundred points back then, Michael Jordan, how many would he
be averaging? Lebron James is a freaking train. How many
would he average if they really wanted to do that,
And so for me, that's just it's not a knock
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on them, but it's just a significance of athleticism and
time and what the competition is. So for me, Bill
Russell having those amount of titles, I'll give it to him,
that is still unbelievable. But I think Magic Johnson was
just so much more, like I said, what he did,
and Jordan and Lebron and Kareem those three they're not
moving off that. So for me, it's that last one.
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But if you ask my son, if you ask my
son right now, he's probably dumping Kareem and Magic and
just do a Jordan Lebron and Steph because Steph Curry
has ushered in nothing for these kids. All DJ wants
to do is shoot threes all day. So that for
he changed the game, and he changed the way kids
look at it. It's no longer just I want to dunk.
It's like my son spent an hour shooting half court
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shots until he made one, and when he did it,
you would have thought he would have just won the NBA Finals.
He jumped up it down, he did like the worm
on the floor. He was like, if he hadn't Champagne,
he would have spread it all over himself. And I
was like, that's the way I felt when I when
I grabbed the rim for the first time, I don't
half court shot. I was like, that was lucky. But yeah,
he spent an hour an hour just.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Just trying to chop down that tree. That's a big deal,
all right.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
So here's one for you guys. It's probably one of
the hardest things to debate, and everybody's got one, and
I put one in here for both of you guys.
What is the hardest thing to do in sports? Is
our last argument of the day. There is a the
one that everybody talks about. Hit a major league fastball,
b hit a hole in one on the golf, see
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take a hit from a boxer, the score a goal
on a world class goalkeeper in soccer, score a goal
on a Stanley Cup champion goalkeeper. Or in basketball, slam dunking.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
M Well, I'm not tall enough to dunk, so that's
going to be you know, that comes off the list.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
It's not even too short for that. Man.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yeah, that one is that on that one, I say,
is the cheater, so we can even, we we can
even I'll strike that out. And I'll say, hit a
three pointer in an NBA game.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Okay, yeah, I mean all of those those are really good.
I know that for years, like even now, I think
scientists still say hitting a fastball is like physically impossible, right,
we see the guys do it all the time. But
in terms of like marshaling the focus and actually the.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Average show, if you were to put the average show
in a spot to do any of these, what is
the hardest one to do? And I agree with you,
But the thing is, and I ask Brett Boone, I
used to do Brett Boone's podcast, who is a former
Major league All Star and his brother is the manager
of the Yankees, and I always asked him, how do
you guys know if the ball is going to break,
be a walk, or be a ball or strike whenever
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releases from their fingers on one hundred miles an hour,
and he says, it's just muscle memory. You just get
used when you do it. I think this, Yes, it's
hard to hit a major league baseball, but you can
get lucky doing it right. I could swing and accidentally
hit the ball at even the velocity it's going from
the way I hit it, I could accidentally caused maybe
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a home run because that ball is going so fast.
Now when I hited the trajectory to go there, I
could accidentally close my eyes and just swing the bat
as hard as I can. And one in a million times, yeah,
I will get that. Same goes for the hole in one. Actually,
the hole in one. I don't know if I'm good ever, Joe,
I think you probably do it. In terms of golf,
I've golf with Joe. I think I've actually seen you
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almost do it a couple of times.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
I've come close a couple of times. But see, I
would actually say that the hole in one is to
me would be the hardest because I've actually taken in
a bat against a major League baseball pitcher. Really, yes,
joel Za Maya from the two thousand and six Detroit
Tiger's World Series team. So I went down to Lakeland
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in twenty twenty, right before Covid hit and I was
there for a week for a baseball camp.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Oh you did, you did the Fantasy that's right, the
Fantasy Tigers camp. I forgot about that.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
So he was my coach and he was thrown and
he's like, I'm like to heat it up, and he's like,
he's just stand in there.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
I won't hit you.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
And he threw me probably about twenty fastballs, and I
was able to make contact on a couple of them,
like actually put them in play, not just foul tipping.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
How fast was he throwing?
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (34:12):
He was saying in mid nineties or low nineties. Like
I mean, I was crapping my pants.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
I didn't want to get hit, Yeah, of course, but
I mean I you know, I was there for a
week playing baseball. I've come close to quite a few
hole in ones, like to the point where I thought
they were in and then I get up there and
I see it and it's like just tucked in behind
the pin and I can't see it.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Like that's the worst. So I would think hole in one.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
I've come so close in all the rounds of golf
that I've ever played, I've come so close, never actually
done it.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
I'm going to stay hole in one.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
My instinct was that too, because I mean, you can
get lucky getting it, but I mean, how often does
that ever happen? And you can get so close to
doing it for years but never actually have it drop
in And just moving that ball, you know, even on
a par three two hundred yards and dropping it in
to a cup like that, is you think that the
chances are even slimmer than making contact with that major
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league pitch. And with the hockey and soccer goalies you
were talking about, Dan, I think even if they're world class,
there's always a chance.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Then you're lucky, coach.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
You get lucky lucky.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
And if you take the right approach, you can kind
of fake them out, maybe they go the wrong direction
and then you can put it into an empty net
or whatever. So I have to say the hole in
one is probably my guest too.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
I would agree that the NBA three pointer. You can
get lucky. I will my son. I signed them up
for a bulls practice thing on the practice court, and
I watched them knock out about four threes in a row.
And I'm pretty sure if they actually put DJ in
FNBA game and somebody did not realize he was opening
the corner, he could drain a three. I'm pretty sure. Het.
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I'm pretty sit boy. He can't shoot a layup to
save his life. But you get that guy distance and
he's launching. I've seen him splash a couple of shots,
so I was like, it's in the slam, Doug. We
probably can't. I can close. Was in high school. I
came close to but I you can do that, and
again comes and if you're tall enough, the dunks are easy.
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So I give it to you, Stanley. The soccer goal,
the hockey goal. Again, you got we can get lucky.
I can actually slip my butt onto the ice, knock
you with my head, and that hockey guy will laugh
at me so hard that it'll go in. So I
think I could actually do that, and I could accidentally
hit a fastball. I can't do the whole of what
at I and one time for before I read this up.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
When I worked for me Dan, he's not getting a
whole little.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
One, but I could accidentally have me gilmour it in.
I promise you one time I could do it. And
when I was when I started Man Cow back in
two thousand and four, uh Andrew Galotta came in with
Layman Brewster and they were doing like a hole. They
were coming in for a boxing fight with Don King,
and Man Cow thought it would be funny if I
had tried to talk enough trash to Galatta for him
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to hit me in the stomach. He goes, I wanted
to hit you in the stomach, and I remember Galata
looked at me and I went pretty pleasing cherries on top,
don't hit me, and he goes, I can't. I would
be in jail for murder.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
And I was like, yeah, oh my god, I forgot
about the boxing hit because all those other ones, it's
we talk about luck and making the contact and whatnot.
If you were to take one punch from a Mike
Tyson or any of these guys at the top of
their game, there for even if you're still alive, you're
forever changed.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Yes, But I will say this, I will say this
it's not the hardest thing to do. With the sports.
You just wouldn't come away, you wouldn't come away with it,
So it's not the hardest thing. The whole one is
still the hardest thing, but the other ones you could
accidentally have happened pretty easily.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
The most courage boxing, no question, no question.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
Just standing there and even taking it without running the
other direction would be uh, you know, admirable.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
I remember looking at Galta. I remember looking at a
guy who was six foot four and the prime of
the prime of his career, and I remember saying, like something,
you couldn't even take Tyson yet him in the nuts.
And I remember being I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry,
I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm sorry, pretty please.
I think, why are you apologizing to handle like you
take a punch man right exactly? Munch like, No, I
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have so much I have I want to eat lunch today,
all right? That is gonna do it for an episode
of Bargaments, technical difficulties and all still a fun one.
I want to think. Joey Jojo Shabbau, Joe Philibo for
jumping on with us and from WGN Radio and cannabis man,
what's the next podcast about? Donnie? If people want to
go ahead and jump on your podcast and listen to you,
(38:33):
where do they got to go to find it?
Speaker 4 (38:35):
Oh, it's it's every pod platform, Apple, Spotify, YouTube, wherever
you get pods, it's there. And we just did you
know a bunch of stuff for the four twenty holiday
that just passed?
Speaker 2 (38:44):
O holiday?
Speaker 4 (38:46):
And yeah, always just tune in for new products and
news in the cannabis space drop once a week.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
Did anyone else find that funny that Easter fell on
this year and passover?
Speaker 2 (39:00):
So I I posted a me with the Billsbury tillboy
where the first one is he has risen, the other
one was he did not rise and the other one
one says he's baked. So I was like, that is
that is his holiday to a t Once again, thank
you all for jumping up Arguments. My name is Dan Levy.
Remember this is on YouTube and if you don't have
the chance to watch video, you can download us anywhere
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Joe Philippo. My name is Dan Levy. This is Arguments.
Will do it again soon. See ya
Arguments has been recorded in front of a live studio audience.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
What's up everybody? All right, welcome into another exciting edition
of Arguments once again. I am your host, the head
bargainer of the table, Dan Levy. With me is my
co host Joey Joey Shebano, Joe Filippa, my former college
radio co host and guy who was with me for
(00:25):
this funny venture. And our other guest today would be
from WGN Radio, also the host of the Cannabis Man podcast,
Don lyon Clevin Football Expert as well. Gentlemen, thanks for
jumping on on quick Barguments. How is everybody doing?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Wonderful? I'm doing fantastic.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Some point we're gonna get Joe some real lights in
there so maybe we can see what his face looks
like and we can enjoy him from there. Don this
is interesting. We're gonna start sports wise because the draft
has gone on in the NFL Draft, and if you're watching,
this is only Friday, so there's gonna be much more
going on. But after the first day, I've seen all
I can see. The Bears got a pretty good guy.
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I know a lot of people are summerre down. When
some people are very up on this guy, and let's
see if Colston Loveland can be the man. I'm go
with it.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
I think it's I think it's one of the biggest
head scratchers of the first round though, and he does
look like a dynamic player. I think it was clearly
a Ben Johnson choice. Seemed like he wants his Sam
Laporta like they have at the Lions, a nice receiving
tight end who can also block. But the using the
number ten pick overall for a guy that was projected
a little bit later in the rounds.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
You go get your guy if he's the one, but
definitely unexpected. I'll say that one of the ones that
people did not see coming, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Joey Jojo the Detroit Lions, I know he snagged your head, coach,
I know you. What did you think from what you
thought of the draft, at least the first round?
Speaker 5 (01:56):
You know, I thought it was interesting that they also
drafted a tight end there for the Bears, but that
is that is Dan Johnson's specialty. He does like running
two tight end sets a lot. I'm actually surprised didn't
trade down and maybe go get another running back because
you see the duo they have in Detroit with their
running backs. I'm surprised I didn't bring in someone else
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to compliment them. But maybe they'll find that in the
second round or third round. I mean, it is a
deep class for running backs.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
This is a deep class. This is why I kind
of thought it was kind of weird that the Bears
didn't really trade up or down in this situation. Don
I kind of thought that I would least see some
sort of headway. I know that they were all in
a genty and trying to maybe grab a good running back,
but I am still I'm good with the tight end.
I just really want more protection for Caleb.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Yeah, and that's why I think he's going to have
to be a He's going to have to do some blocking.
I know that his tape you see a lot of
the receiving stuff. And again, when people think of Laporta
in Detroit, you think of the receiving plays that he's made.
But there's no question, I mean, the Bears did a
lot in free agency to address their O line needs.
That put him in a position in this drafts where
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they could take the best guy available. That's clearly what
they felt about the tight end, they took that. He
was the guy that they really wanted, and it is
another weapon for Caleb, that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
But it was an interesting choice.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
I think once Jacksonville moved up and people saw the price,
they went and got Travis Hunter at two from five.
That took a lot next year's first round pick and
a few this year. I think the price for the
Bears to have moved up into the five, if they
were going to go get giant that running back, maybe
it was just too much for them to take.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Can I just say it is hilarious the situation that's
going on in Colorado with Chador Sanders not getting drafted
what everybody thought it was gonna be a one or two,
and they're trying to retire to that guy's number in
Colorado who hasn't done anything for that college. All right,
I don't know what that was, but that was amazing.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Donnas Schader's meditated.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I know that that was Sanders trying to get on
the line. Here, we'll come right back to him. We'll
love the well love to wait this album. We talked
trash about his son here for a second, But what
do you make of that? Why didn't should Door Sanders
not get selected.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Man, I for my money character stuff. The stuff that
I was reading is that his pre draft interviews left
a lot of front offices turned off, bad taste.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
In the mouth.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
And the reality is also that you know, like you mentioned,
he hasn't done much for Colorado as well. Even though
teams are quarterback needy, there aren't guys that are really
standing up to last year's class. And I think that,
you know, once you got past cam Ward there there
really isn't a sure thing. And so I think, you know,
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things happen happen as the draft goes on cornerbacks on defense.
People expected a lot more of them to go, but
they slid down. And clearly somebody's gonna now come out
early in the second round and end up with Shador.
Whether that's Cleveland or a team like Pittsburgh, We'll see
who it ends up being, but he'll go. But it
is kind of funny to see him not go in
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the first after that room set up and all that.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
You know, Joey, what do you make of it?
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Would that not be the most Cleveland thing to take
Sanders with their next pick. They can't hit on a
quarterback if their life depended on it. But that is
such the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
No, it would be the Cleveland thing, the snag him
as soon as they could and give him a max
contract without knowing anything about him at all. It's also
a very Jets and a Giants thing to go all
out and get somebody like that. But with that said,
debitly a argument that comes up with this argu real quick,
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we'll do this Jador Sanders, because that's first and foremost.
We're gonna tackle more of the NFL on air. In
a second, who is worse for their kids' future in sports?
Is it Dion Sanders or LaVar Ball. LaVar Ball went
on a tour saying that his kids were gonna be
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the three greatest NBA players of all time, and he
was two for three. One of them got arrested in
Japan for stealing sunglasses that hurt his draft choices. Lonzo
Ball has been really good of your starting your all
time injured list, and LaMelo Ball is good, but I
wouldn't say he's the future of anything right now. So
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that guy, I think, only decreased their odds in the
NBA in Jingstem Now, Dion Sanders is way above the
Mark because he is or he's probably one of the
greatest of all time in his position in football, as
far as a cornerback is concerned. Who has been worse
for their children? Would you say?
Speaker 3 (06:52):
You know, I'll take this one.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
Because I was out last night for the draft at
a bar in this topic actually came up, and I
swear on my kids, and I have to say that
the majority of the people that I talked to about this,
they all said Ball. They said LaVar, Ball over Dion Sanders.
And you can make a case for either or it's
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one A and one B. In my opinion, I think
they're both doing a disservice for the kids. But from
what I heard last night, not even twenty four hours ago,
it was it was Ball all the way.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
It's a good thing we have our thumb on the
pulse here of what's going on. Which one do you
think don who has been worse? LaVar or Prime Time?
Speaker 4 (07:35):
I think I think Joe's sampling from Out in the
Wild Held is accurate.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I do think it's Ball, mainly because he's done it.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
More like he said, Dan, he's got three kids and
he ruined all of that. It's just shoulder right now.
For for Dion, he's only done it, done it with
one thus far, but he does have you know, he
does have another kid that's gonna, you know, expected to
be drafted at some point. But I do think setting
the expectations as high as Dion has is really really difficult.
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It's already shown that to be bad for Shaudor, and
you know he's not going to change his behavior when
his other son comes up and it's it's his time
to get called in the draft. I would say, I
mean Dion is coaching in Colorado and getting involved and
basically doing some of the pre draft interviews. To Dion's
got a higher profile than LaVar Ball does, even though
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you know he got out there. Everyone knows Primetime, so
what Dion says that those quotes get all over the place.
And I think the awareness of those expectations was even
higher for Shauduer, and we're seeing how that's played out.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
I would say the worst out of the two is
always going to be Primetime. Dion sanders LaVar Ball, and
nobody really actually really knew who he was, the fact
that he went on television sand that he could beat
Michael Jordan in his prime one on one and then
going on ESPN and then and flirting with women getting
banned from ESPN for life. That is like WWE To me,
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that is just entertainment. And the thing is with his kids,
all three of them have the personality of a wet sock.
So none of those three went into any pre interviews
and said something that was off the charts. Just the
dad went around, opened his mouth, and the kids just
kind of went in there and did it. The problem
is with Dion Sanders is he's so high profile, so
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good at what he did that even in college, he's
just been running his mouth or to the point where
you're really rooting against him. If LaVar Ball was coaching
a basketball team where he was doing that, then I
would say he's getting to that level. But because Dion
is at a spot where he was putting his entire
team in arms way every time they play, because he's
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talking so much trash and getting so upset and going
after Stephen A. Smith, that is bad. And then when
you start to breathe that air to your son, who
clearly has the same personality of Dionni he still has
the swagger, the giant chain, that root that he was
in it looked like something out of the WWE like
Rick like they all went shopping at Rick Flair's closet,
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and to know that it rained in that room, normally
I would feel bad, And like if that happened Lonzo
Ball where they did not pick him, I would feel
bad because I'm like, Oh, this poor guy is so quiet.
He's letting his dad run his mouth and he's just
sitting there taking it, believing in him. But Shador bought
the hive. He's all in and to see him like that,
it's just one. It's probably one of the top three
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most hilarious sports moments to be of all time.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Okay, what if they've a failed shoe company like the
Balls did, then do you put You know, that might
tip the scales.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
For you know what. I can see Pozi scheme happening
to the Sanders at some point. It a'll happen. Not
that I'm wish it bad, but that guy is way
too brash not to have guys like that rubbing around
him at all times and doing that kind of stuff.
But yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
Remember, are they going to retire his draft number whenever
he gets picked.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
To They said him not going in those rounds cost
him about thirty nine million dollars. That's how much that
by not doing the draft pick. So I would also
add that on to a worst thing because LaVar Ball
is an idiot. But his two sons went in the
top lottery of their draft. The other one, Mellow, did not.
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He was not good, but at least he got him
in some preseason workouts and some he got him signed,
so he did get those guys on the field. As
of right now Friday, April twenty fifth and one, twenty
five Central Standard time, Shadore Sanders is on the same
NFL team as the three of us. So I'm gonna say,
Dion Sanders, you're the worst father in this case, not
(11:43):
as a dad, but you hurt your kid's career. Can
we agree on that?
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Fine, I agree with you. Forty mili should Yeah, I'll
agree with that.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
If I should do her, I'm going to dad and saying, hey, Dad,
how about how about you will pay the difference?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Heydud, how wut we get hot? We can just go
get me Drew Rosenhause and he can do the talking
for me from now on you go back to college.
I appreciate everything did. If you can put my number
up there. That'd be pretty cool. Oh that, let's just
let's let's le let's I'm I'm gonna change my last name.
I will now go into Shador Johnson and we'll once
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this kind of blows over, we can we can, we
can recovene man. I'll see Thanksgiving. I'll see you Thanksgiving.
I'll see it Thanksgiving now. Because there's always some weird
things that go on in the draft and we can't tell,
we can't tell what this draft is gonna be. Who's
a bus who's not? But for the sake of it,
I always like to bring this argument up. The biggest
bust in NFL draft history. Who do you guys have
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on your list?
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Ryan Leaf? Has to be Ryan Leaf?
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Right?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yes, Yes, arrested after his NFL drafted higher than Peyton
Manning and issues that he played horribly.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yeah, because he was the number one for San Diego
Dagger was he not? Yes?
Speaker 4 (13:05):
He was there, you go, he taken overall. He's the
incredible bulk was the nickname, I believe, and then he
the worst. What makes it worse the fact that he
like hardly played for them because he, you know, had
a terrible addiction to like the painkillers. He was the
he was, you know, worse than Farv like and and
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you know, at least far have actually played Bruce stuff.
But so not only did Maderrich not play, but in
that same draft Right was taken, Troy Aikman was taken,
Dion Sanders was taken, speaking of and Barry Sanders was
also immediately after Manderrich. So I think the fact that
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those Hall of Famers go right afterward and that guy
ended up what happening with him, I say it's Tony
Manderrich hands down.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
There's a lot of people I can give it to.
Honorable mentions to JaMarcus Russell, who held out for that
monster contract, came in out of shape last and only
three seasons, and he was just labeled as neee. They
made him watch game tapes that were labeled game film.
He said he watched them and they were blank. That
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is obviously the biggest Homer Simpson move of any of
all time. Trent Richardson also a pretty bad one. And
I'll also give it to Johnny Football, Johnny Manziel. That
one has been noted, but if you're gonna give you
one that I could say it was the real bust
Ricky Williams will always be number one. I think what
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Dick gave up eight draft Piggs for him to go
ahead and snap that guy. He became an inclusive, reclusive
guy who would stay in his room. I remember here
this one. I was working in Nike Town. This was
a year two thousand when I was working there.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
And something like that. It was a huge deal.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
It was a huge deal. But when I was working
at Nike Town, we would always get whatever visiting teams
would come in. They'd come in to Nike Town because
a lot of them were, you know, endorsed by him,
and any athlete that was a Nike guy would get
to go and shop on the fourth floor, which was
just all the shoes, and they got to walk around
and pick any shoes they wanted for them, their family,
whatever they wanted. They could just get shoes. And some
of the guys from the New Orleans Saints at the
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time came in and I was like, oh, hey, where's
Ricky Williams. And I remember I forgot who it was.
The guy walked right up to me and goes, he's
in his hotel room right now crying, and then walked
past me, and I was like, WHOA. I don't know
if he saw the truth or not. But when your
players are telling the cashier Nike Town that their number
one draft pick is in his hotel room, probably crying,
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that's gonna be the one bus for me of all time, easily, easily.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
I'm trying to we need to go back and watch
the Draft Day of the movie. I got no argument
because with all the draft picks and then uh getting
thrown around, and then also with bo callahan not reading
the playbook. They put one hundred dollars bill in the
back and said it means a lot of similar stuff. Yes,
crafts NFL Draft. So I'm wonder if some of that
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was actually why they thought of it.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
You know what, since I saw that the Draft Day
the movie was good. I was entertained by it, especially
the last part where he got pretty cheesy and he
was able to save the day. For some reason, I
watched that movie and I said to myself, I'm not
really sure Kevin Consert is that good of an actor.
The way the way he was being in that movie,
and the way he's like, let me do my job.
Let me do my job. If you don't like me,
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fire me, let me. I remember being like, why does
everybody say this guy? Since you can actor? And then
when you watch like Field of Dreams, I could have
been like, Dad, you want to be catching That is
the worst. That's the worst movie of all time.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Yes, yeah, I think we're creating right.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
This might be the movie.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Field of Dreams is good.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
This might be the one argument that led to about
six other arguments. But I would say The Water World
was the worst. But just the acting of him in
other movies, You're just like he was always like a
good like he was really good at bull Durham, Bull Durham,
I will give you bull Derby was good. But then,
like I said, in Field of Dreams, it was very
I thought it was kind of cheesy. And then a
draft day, just like, let me do my job. I
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just remember him saying that over and over again, be
like I could do that line, and I'm a horrible actor.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Who's the owner? The actor?
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Who's the owner? At the end where you had a
great day? That was the cheesiest line I've ever heard
in the sports movie?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yes, who was that? I'm trying to think of it.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
I can't even remember his name for the life, but
I do remember Dennis Leary being the coach.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Now that that was a good actor. I like Dennis Leary.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
I'll take him.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
I am a fan of the Leary. I am a
fan of the Lary. All Right, onto another argument. This
one's gonna be another sports one Hot ninety seven. There's
a lot of things people do with AI these days.
Chat ebt. People are doing like action figures and now
people are doing Mount Rushmore's where you can going to
chat ebt, give me the Mount Rushmore with these faces
on it. And this one's gonna be more NBA, but
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it's all a big one. It's the Mount Rushmore of
NBA players of all time. And these are the four
names they had on there. And I've if you're listening
to this podcast Facebook group Argument's Podcast, it's a really
cool group. There's a lot of stuff that goes in
and on there, and then you get participating in all
the good arguments and we often pick stuff from there
because it gets a really good reaction. And people are
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still arguing me about this one. But the four that
they had on there, Michael Jordan, Lebron, James Kareem Abdul Jabbar,
and Steph Curry. Now for me, I'm the one that says,
I don't think Steph Curry belongs to that list. I
will give Lebron James that. I just think you gotta
switch Steph Curry from Magic Johnson. But that is my
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personal So Lebron, Jordan Kareem, and Steph Curry that's who
they got. What do you guys see moving in and
out of that list? Because it's always a hot topic
of who are the four greatest of the foremost influential
NBA players of all time?
Speaker 5 (19:01):
Oh man, there's so many, and I you know, I
I have to think about dy.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
One, Donnie g who do you see in them out?
Speaker 5 (19:12):
Rush for it.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I'm gonna I'll put it in our pertual chat so
you guys can see it. Yeah, your your instinct. My
Steph Curry was the only one that struck my ear
as wrong too, and Magic Johnson was the guy that
I immediately thought of that needed to be on there. I
also like, looking over the years, guys like Larry.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Hold on your your audio is freezing up, buddy, you
are freezing on my side. And these ladies and gentlemen
are why I don't edit these podcasts because this is
just truly hilarious to me, this is all staying. It's
all staying, all right, Joey until Donnie can come back
and join us, and we'll just laugh at his frozen
face for a little bit. Some people would say the
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ones that are left out Larry Bird, Bill Russell, Wilt Shack,
these are all even Tim Duncan are people that would
throw in these lists. I don't see Steph Curry in
that top ten. Don are you back with me? Not really,
I can't hear you at all.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
See my initial thought was Larry Bird, yes, and then
Will Chamberlain.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Those those were the two.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
I was like, okay, Steph would have to come off.
As far as I'm not the biggest lebron fan, obviously,
I think Jordan is the man. All the comparisons to
go back and forth between the.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Two, I don't get it. But if I'm with you,
take off, take Steph off, and my first two would
either be Bird or Wilt.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
I just don't know what gel you can flip a
coin on in my opinion, but I think you're both
should be up there.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I would say this, Jordan, lebron Kareem and Steph all
have more than three championships, so that's the one that's
that doesn't for me. If we're gonna go championships, Bill
Russell probably should be on there. But it's hard for
me to talk about players that I never saw. And
there's a lot of there's a lot of people that
say things like, you know, the guys back in those
days when you know Bill Russell and Will Chamberlain played that,
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everybody had side jobs. They were plumbers, there were firefighters,
there were other things, all because back then the NBA
did not make any money. But to be honest, a
lot of those guys back in those days, the playing
field wasn't normal. Like Will Chamberlain and Bill Russell. They
were playing a bunch of six three white dudes, and
they were like giants. And Will Chamberlain was like an
Olympic athlete. He was like a man of mythical proportions
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when it comes to all kinds of sports. And I
would say Bill Russell, I mean he was I mean,
both those guys. You watched those highlights and Bill Russell
jumped over people because they were so small and they
were so fast and so athletic that it's hard for
me to like, really, I mean, Will Chamberlain scored one
hundred points in those days. Can you imagine what Jordan
would have done to those guys back in those days?
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Can you imagine what Lebron James? I mean, I understand
why people hate Lebron. I do. Lebron has been very
brash and he's been the problem. I think that people
hate about Lebron is that he became the face of
He became the face of the NBA. But people are
still not really letting go of Jordan. But a lot
of people like Kobe who never really tackled it, who
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always said the no, MJ's the greatest of all time,
He's my big brother, blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
He was.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
People allowed Kobe to live in that space because he
said things like that, and he was a disciple of MJ.
MJ gave him advice. Lebron just said, you know, I'm
my own guy, I'm the king, and I'm gonna be better.
And I think that's why the negativity came out because
when Cleveland won, he said he was the greatest of
all time. So I understand the hate of it. But well,
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Lebron is done for the MVPs for twenty years and
his head is still jumping over the hoop and he's
now the leading scorer. It's hard not to say that
he doesn't deserve a spot on that Mount Rushmore. You know, no, I.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Agree, he deserves to be up there.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
And you know, if you brought up Kobe, would you
consider Kobe at all? Because Kobe was a pretty good
ambassador of the game, was a great player.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I would too. But here's the problem that you know,
I love Kobe Bryant. Kobe and I had a mutual friend,
so I was kind of cool with him, and I
named a cat after him. I love Kobe Bryant. I
loved that cat, and I love Kobe Bryant. He was
probably one of my favorite lakers of all time. The
only knock I have against Kobe Bryant is that I
think those first three titles he had were shacks. Shaquille
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O'Neil was just if you look at that stuff, and
Kobe was so good, but Shaq was the deciding factor.
He was so huge, he was so big, and he
was just an immovable object that the NBA could not
deal without him. And then once he left, it took
Kobe to completely rebuild a team that he could trust
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to win those championships. But had Shaq stayed and Kobe
was the one that left, I think Shaq would have
won one more title with the Lakers just because he
was just so big. Without Kobe, I think Shaq would
have won it because he went. He went to Miami
Heat the next year and he won one with dawayde Wade,
and d Wade was still like an up and coming guy.
I still think there would have been enough enough pieces
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in Los Angeles for shack to have won and one
more time, because again he had one more year of
that pure dominance, and he was so good that everybody
left the guy like Dwayne Wade alone. And that's what
make Kobe so good, because you couldn't double Kobe because
you needed two or three guys to double Shack, and
then one Shack left, then you can't leave Kobe Bryant alone.
And again it's not no knock on Kobe Bryant what
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he could have done and how he sacrificed himself for
the team. But when you start talking about Mount Rushmore's
greatest of all time, that's the reason I don't put
him in it. And then Shackley would put him on
better than Lebron. He always puts Kobe as number two.
But I remember those series way too much. I put
a lot of money on those series, and I can
tell you right now the only thing I ever kept
saying was thank God for Shaquille O'Neil.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Hopefully one more money than he lost on it.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
I think so too.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
I think so if you take Rodman on it would
with the Bulls one that second round at three piece.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
No, No, he would not have, and I would. I'd
say that a lot too. The thing that made the
Bulls good that first won, Horace Grant, MJ. Was the elite.
He was the guy that everybody focused on and again
doubled and triple team. Scottie Pipman was the other elite
because he was the wingman who could carry the offense
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and did defense. But guys like Dennis Robin and Horace
Grant understood the dirty work, the rebounds and out the passes.
When they did not have either of those guys, that's
why they didn't win that one against the Pacers, or
when they got the first playoff when they got knocked
out by the Orlando Magic and Horse Grant. Because there
was nobody to be that extra guy. There was no
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power forward that was able to kind of do that.
Dennis Rodman was of his own in the sense that
he could actually get into players heads. I'm not sure
the Bulls would have gotten past the Utah Jazz without
Dennis Romeny, even if Horace Grant was there, because Dennis
was in carlv Loan's head and there's no way if
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that guy wasn't there that Carl the Loade would have
lost that series. So I think Dennis Rodman will always
be the piece that they really needed that entire time.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Which is amazing because everyone always says how great Jordan is,
and then we literally just talked about would they have
wanted without Rodman and you just said, Nope, as good
as Jordan was, they wouldn't have done it. But same
thing with Kobe and Check. If you get them together,
they played great, they win championship. I mean, it's a
whole team. As good as Jordan is, he couldn't carry
the Bulls the entire way. You just said, how Horace
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Grant was there, how you had how you had Horace Grant,
how you had Dennis Rodman. I mean they had occur
with the first three or with the second three peat
packs in with the first round of three peats. So
you get a whole bunch of different players, you cycle
them in. Well, it's the team, not necessarily.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Just the player.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
You can look at all the statistics you want with Jordan, Lebron,
Kobe and all that, but you take out certain key players.
Are they still as great as they would? They still
have been as great as they worked. They didn't have
that great cat him Because you're talking about some really
good names around all these superstars.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Well, that's what it is, and that to me is
why Magic Johnson was the best, because he really, I mean,
Lebron was. Lebron is great at being a team player,
but Magic Johnson was the one that made everybody else better.
Lebron knows how to use this team. Magic knew how
to use this team to make them better. We wouldn't
be talking about half of those guys being in the
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Hall of Fame without Magic Johnson. Would James Worthy being
in the Hall of Fame, I'm not sure, would Vladie
Deevac be in the Hall of Fame. I'm not sure,
Kareem definitely, Michael Cooper no, so a lot of those guys.
I mean, when Lebron, James retires, nobody else is going
into it the Hall of Fame with him. He's gonna
be his own guy. Everybody on those teams Bosh was
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already on the bubble of it, but because he was
part of that Big three with him and Dwayne Wade,
he got in. Dwayne Wade was a Hall of Famer
without him. When Lebron goes in, nobody from this Laker
team was summering. Anthony Davis, who was already there, and
Luka Donci who's already been I'm sure a Hall of
Famer with or without him. But Tony Ko coach going
into the Hall of Fame without Jordan no, So I
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mean there's certain guys that you're gonna give that too.
So I definitely put Jordan. I definitely put Lebron. Kareem
won everything. He won every level and in college they
outlawed dunking because it was too easy for him. So
six NBA titles, six MVP's, was the leading scorer of
all time and had the most unstoppable shot. I give
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it to him. So I would give Jordan, Lebron, and
Kareem and f re Matt Johnson is that fifth one.
Don lyon Clevin before we switch off to our last topic,
is there any other one you would do?
Speaker 3 (28:38):
No, you guys covered it really well there.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
I do think the Bill Russell mentions Larry Bird like
all that's really important.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
But yeah, it's it's hard to argue.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
And Will Chamberlain, you know you talked about how Kareem
was so successful in college they outlawed dunking how many records?
Does Will Chamberlain still hold?
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I mean that was and when you jumped off, I'll
jump back. I'll get you back in it. But what
I I said Joe is the same thing I'll say
to you. It's hard for me to give the nod
to guys back then, and a lot of the guys
the knock on them is that they were all plumbers
and firefighters. But that's only because the NBA was not
a significant pain. Those guys had agains side jobs. I
think Jerry West actually sold tickets season tickets to people
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because he needed the extra money to be in that.
And so for me, Will Chamberlain, most of those guys
were like six four or sixty five white guys, and
Will Chamberlain and Bill Russell were seven footers. Will Chamberlain
was like an Olympic athlete and a freaking nature And
you can watch Highlands if you googled right now. If
you YouTube Bill Russell jumping over a player, there's like
two or three times where he was sprinting down the
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court and hovered over a player to rebound or score.
So I'm not taking anything away from those guys. What
they did is still amazing. But Will Chamberlain scored one
hundred points back then, Michael Jordan, how many would he
be averaging? Lebron James is a freaking train. How many
would he average if they really wanted to do that,
And so for me, that's just it's not a knock
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on them, but it's just a significance of athleticism and
time and what the competition is. So for me, Bill
Russell having those amount of titles, I'll give it to him,
that is still unbelievable. But I think Magic Johnson was
just so much more, like I said, what he did,
and Jordan and Lebron and Kareem those three they're not
moving off that. So for me, it's that last one.
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But if you ask my son, if you ask my
son right now, he's probably dumping Kareem and Magic and
just do a Jordan Lebron and Steph because Steph Curry
has ushered in nothing for these kids. All DJ wants
to do is shoot threes all day. So that for
he changed the game, and he changed the way kids
look at it. It's no longer just I want to dunk.
It's like my son spent an hour shooting half court
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shots until he made one, and when he did it,
you would have thought he would have just won the NBA Finals.
He jumped up it down, he did like the worm
on the floor. He was like, if he hadn't Champagne,
he would have spread it all over himself. And I
was like, that's the way I felt when I when
I grabbed the rim for the first time, I don't
half court shot. I was like, that was lucky. But yeah,
he spent an hour an hour just.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Just trying to chop down that tree. That's a big deal,
all right.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
So here's one for you guys. It's probably one of
the hardest things to debate, and everybody's got one, and
I put one in here for both of you guys.
What is the hardest thing to do in sports? Is
our last argument of the day. There is a the
one that everybody talks about. Hit a major league fastball,
b hit a hole in one on the golf, see
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take a hit from a boxer, the score a goal
on a world class goalkeeper in soccer, score a goal
on a Stanley Cup champion goalkeeper. Or in basketball, slam dunking.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
M Well, I'm not tall enough to dunk, so that's
going to be you know, that comes off the list.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
It's not even too short for that. Man.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yeah, that one is that on that one, I say,
is the cheater, so we can even, we we can
even I'll strike that out. And I'll say, hit a
three pointer in an NBA game.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Okay, yeah, I mean all of those those are really good.
I know that for years, like even now, I think
scientists still say hitting a fastball is like physically impossible, right,
we see the guys do it all the time. But
in terms of like marshaling the focus and actually the.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Average show, if you were to put the average show
in a spot to do any of these, what is
the hardest one to do? And I agree with you,
But the thing is, and I ask Brett Boone, I
used to do Brett Boone's podcast, who is a former
Major league All Star and his brother is the manager
of the Yankees, and I always asked him, how do
you guys know if the ball is going to break,
be a walk, or be a ball or strike whenever
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releases from their fingers on one hundred miles an hour,
and he says, it's just muscle memory. You just get
used when you do it. I think this, Yes, it's
hard to hit a major league baseball, but you can
get lucky doing it right. I could swing and accidentally
hit the ball at even the velocity it's going from
the way I hit it, I could accidentally caused maybe
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a home run because that ball is going so fast.
Now when I hited the trajectory to go there, I
could accidentally close my eyes and just swing the bat
as hard as I can. And one in a million times, yeah,
I will get that. Same goes for the hole in one. Actually,
the hole in one. I don't know if I'm good ever, Joe,
I think you probably do it. In terms of golf,
I've golf with Joe. I think I've actually seen you
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almost do it a couple of times.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
I've come close a couple of times. But see, I
would actually say that the hole in one is to
me would be the hardest because I've actually taken in
a bat against a major League baseball pitcher. Really, yes,
joel Za Maya from the two thousand and six Detroit
Tiger's World Series team. So I went down to Lakeland
(33:45):
in twenty twenty, right before Covid hit and I was
there for a week for a baseball camp.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Oh you did, you did the Fantasy that's right, the
Fantasy Tigers camp. I forgot about that.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
So he was my coach and he was thrown and
he's like, I'm like to heat it up, and he's like,
he's just stand in there.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
I won't hit you.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
And he threw me probably about twenty fastballs, and I
was able to make contact on a couple of them,
like actually put them in play, not just foul tipping.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
How fast was he throwing?
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (34:12):
He was saying in mid nineties or low nineties. Like
I mean, I was crapping my pants.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
I didn't want to get hit, Yeah, of course, but
I mean I you know, I was there for a
week playing baseball. I've come close to quite a few
hole in ones, like to the point where I thought
they were in and then I get up there and
I see it and it's like just tucked in behind
the pin and I can't see it.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Like that's the worst. So I would think hole in one.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
I've come so close in all the rounds of golf
that I've ever played, I've come so close, never actually
done it.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
I'm going to stay hole in one.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
My instinct was that too, because I mean, you can
get lucky getting it, but I mean, how often does
that ever happen? And you can get so close to
doing it for years but never actually have it drop
in And just moving that ball, you know, even on
a par three two hundred yards and dropping it in
to a cup like that, is you think that the
chances are even slimmer than making contact with that major
(35:05):
league pitch. And with the hockey and soccer goalies you
were talking about, Dan, I think even if they're world class,
there's always a chance.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Then you're lucky, coach.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
You get lucky lucky.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
And if you take the right approach, you can kind
of fake them out, maybe they go the wrong direction
and then you can put it into an empty net
or whatever. So I have to say the hole in
one is probably my guest too.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
I would agree that the NBA three pointer. You can
get lucky. I will my son. I signed them up
for a bulls practice thing on the practice court, and
I watched them knock out about four threes in a row.
And I'm pretty sure if they actually put DJ in
FNBA game and somebody did not realize he was opening
the corner, he could drain a three. I'm pretty sure. Het.
(35:47):
I'm pretty sit boy. He can't shoot a layup to
save his life. But you get that guy distance and
he's launching. I've seen him splash a couple of shots,
so I was like, it's in the slam, Doug. We
probably can't. I can close. Was in high school. I
came close to but I you can do that, and
again comes and if you're tall enough, the dunks are easy.
(36:10):
So I give it to you, Stanley. The soccer goal,
the hockey goal. Again, you got we can get lucky.
I can actually slip my butt onto the ice, knock
you with my head, and that hockey guy will laugh
at me so hard that it'll go in. So I
think I could actually do that, and I could accidentally
hit a fastball. I can't do the whole of what
at I and one time for before I read this up.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
When I worked for me Dan, he's not getting a
whole little.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
One, but I could accidentally have me gilmour it in.
I promise you one time I could do it. And
when I was when I started Man Cow back in
two thousand and four, uh Andrew Galotta came in with
Layman Brewster and they were doing like a hole. They
were coming in for a boxing fight with Don King,
and Man Cow thought it would be funny if I
had tried to talk enough trash to Galatta for him
(36:57):
to hit me in the stomach. He goes, I wanted
to hit you in the stomach, and I remember Galata
looked at me and I went pretty pleasing cherries on top,
don't hit me, and he goes, I can't. I would
be in jail for murder.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
And I was like, yeah, oh my god, I forgot
about the boxing hit because all those other ones, it's
we talk about luck and making the contact and whatnot.
If you were to take one punch from a Mike
Tyson or any of these guys at the top of
their game, there for even if you're still alive, you're
forever changed.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Yes, But I will say this, I will say this
it's not the hardest thing to do. With the sports.
You just wouldn't come away, you wouldn't come away with it,
So it's not the hardest thing. The whole one is
still the hardest thing, but the other ones you could
accidentally have happened pretty easily.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
The most courage boxing, no question, no question.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
Just standing there and even taking it without running the
other direction would be uh, you know, admirable.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
I remember looking at Galta. I remember looking at a
guy who was six foot four and the prime of
the prime of his career, and I remember saying, like something,
you couldn't even take Tyson yet him in the nuts.
And I remember being I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry,
I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm sorry, pretty please.
I think, why are you apologizing to handle like you
take a punch man right exactly? Munch like, No, I
(38:11):
have so much I have I want to eat lunch today,
all right? That is gonna do it for an episode
of Bargaments, technical difficulties and all still a fun one.
I want to think. Joey Jojo Shabbau, Joe Philibo for
jumping on with us and from WGN Radio and cannabis man,
what's the next podcast about? Donnie? If people want to
go ahead and jump on your podcast and listen to you,
(38:33):
where do they got to go to find it?
Speaker 4 (38:35):
Oh, it's it's every pod platform, Apple, Spotify, YouTube, wherever
you get pods, it's there. And we just did you
know a bunch of stuff for the four twenty holiday
that just passed?
Speaker 2 (38:44):
O holiday?
Speaker 4 (38:46):
And yeah, always just tune in for new products and
news in the cannabis space drop once a week.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
Did anyone else find that funny that Easter fell on
this year and passover?
Speaker 2 (39:00):
So I I posted a me with the Billsbury tillboy
where the first one is he has risen, the other
one was he did not rise and the other one
one says he's baked. So I was like, that is
that is his holiday to a t Once again, thank
you all for jumping up Arguments. My name is Dan Levy.
Remember this is on YouTube and if you don't have
the chance to watch video, you can download us anywhere
(39:23):
that you download your podcasts. For don Cleveman, he is
Joe Philippo. My name is Dan Levy. This is Arguments.
Will do it again soon. See ya
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