May 6, 2025 • 52 mins
In this all-star episode of Barguments, Dan Levy and Joe Filippo welcome former MLB All-Star Bret Boone to the show for a fastball of fun! We dive into Aaron Judge’s dominance, the most surprising teams of the season, classic Bo Jackson and Deion Sanders tales, and whether MLB knows how to promote its stars.
Then it’s time to Bagument:
🏆 Mount Rushmore of sports movies
⚾️ Who do you want pitching and hitting in a do-or-die Game 7
🦆 And of course… would you rather fight one Randy Johnson-sized duck or 100 duck-sized Randy Johnsons? 🎥 WATCH the madness on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/d...
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🍔 Catch Dan every Monday night on WGN Radio with John Landecker for a Bargument-style Food Fight: https://www.wgnradio.com/liste...
🎙️ Hear Dan every Friday on WIBC with Hammer & Nigel: https://www.youtube.com/@wibc
Check out the Bret Boone Podcast here: https://www.youtube.com/result...
Then it’s time to Bagument:
🏆 Mount Rushmore of sports movies
⚾️ Who do you want pitching and hitting in a do-or-die Game 7
🦆 And of course… would you rather fight one Randy Johnson-sized duck or 100 duck-sized Randy Johnsons? 🎥 WATCH the madness on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/d...
🗣️ Join the debate on our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/group...
🍔 Catch Dan every Monday night on WGN Radio with John Landecker for a Bargument-style Food Fight: https://www.wgnradio.com/liste...
🎙️ Hear Dan every Friday on WIBC with Hammer & Nigel: https://www.youtube.com/@wibc
Check out the Bret Boone Podcast here: https://www.youtube.com/result...
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Arguments is recorded in front of a live studio audience.
What's up, everybody. Welcome in, ladies and gentlemen to another
exciting edition of barg Events, the podcast where both takes
friendly debates and absolute nonsense. I'll come to play Adyan
Levy with me. He is my co host Joe Philippo,
and today we've got a good one for you. Three
(00:21):
time All Stars, silver slugger and one of the best
second basemen of his era for me of all time,
host of the bred Boone Podcast, the one and only
bred Boone Booner, Thanks for coming on, buddy.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Guys, Danny, thank you. It's a pleasure to come on Arguments.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I'm ready. I'm ready, locked and loaded.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
The pleasure is all on this side of the stream yard, buddy.
All right, So it's baseball season, and of course my
got jab we got to talk about it. It's young.
What are your overall thoughts so far the twenty twenty
five season.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Of baseball twenty twenty five, let's see, you know, a
few surprises.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
For me, I had the cups to.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Win that Central Division, but they're looking like they're better
than I thought they were. Everybody, including myself, had the Dodgers.
I think it's the most talented roster ever put together
on paper going into the season, and I still think
they're the best team. No surprise there. I knew the
Padres were still going to be really good. But the
big surprise for me over there in the West National
(01:24):
League West is the San Francisco Giants playing as well
as they have. I think the American League West is
going to be a shootout all year. Yankees are leading
right now. I think they're doing a great job with
the losses of coal and heel to start the season.
Big shock to me early was the Braves losing seven
in a row out of the shoot but I'll tell you,
(01:45):
if you watch the Braves now, they're slowly getting healthy.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
They're coming.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I still think they're the class of that division, even
though right now the Mets, who are another surprise to me.
I knew the Mets were going to be better. I
didn't think they could pitch enough. I didn't think they
addressed the pitching enough in the offseason. But much to
my chagrin, I like pretending like I'm smart using words
like chagrin, Danny, I'll tell you what with Montas.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
And Manaia not throwing a pitch.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
In twenty twenty five, the Mets have the best pitching
staff in baseball statistically from ann run average standpoint.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
That's a huge surprise to me. So uh A lot
of it what I expected, But there are definitely some surprises.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Detroit Tigers much better. You know they they snuck into
the playoffs a year ago. But I'll tell you what
they're for real. That pitching staff led by schoobl But
they got some talent there.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Hobby Bayez.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Dead and it's it's I never thought i'd see him
ever be a you know, a difference maker player. It's
impressive the way he's come back, all the ups and
downs he's been through.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
He's playing at center field now.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Obviously a big time athlete, but uh yeah, a lot
of good things going on in big league baseball, and.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
I don't know that it surprises me. I know how
great he is.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
But this is my number one, and I'm gonna do
a little segment on it here shortly. Aaron Judge is unbelievable.
Phase I've never It's tough to impress me from a
baseball standpoint with a player or accolades or what they're
(03:20):
doing obviously show Hey Otani, I didn't think I'd ever
see that in.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
My lifetime, but I did.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Aaron Judge is doing things that I never thought thought
would be done in my lifetime. He's the closest thing
I can see to Barry Bonds, and anyone would ever
touch Barry Bonds. Barry Bonds by far the best player,
especially on the offensive side, I've ever seen in my lifetime,
and number two wasn't even close. It was Arry and
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then it was everybody else. Judge is creeping as close
as I possibly could imagine, especially doing it as a
right handed hitter. Left handed hitter, you always got a
slight advantage because the majority of pitchers are right handed.
But for a right handed hitter to do what Aaron
Judge is doing right now, it's it's unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
It's like he sees pitches better than the rest of us.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
He has an uncanny ability to slow the game down,
and I'm in awe watching him on a daily basis.
It's like, and throw the numbers away. I mean, he's
hitting four something, which is absurd. The first of May.
He's got ten homers. He's not even getting loose yet.
He got thirty some RBIs is his ops is off
the charts, the numbers.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
I'm just saying what I see with my eyes when
I sit on the couch and watch him hit. It's
a pleasure to watch it because he's just he sees
the ball earlier than every other Big League And there's
some great big league hitters out there, Mookie Betts, Juan Sota,
what he did last year and in the postseason, you know,
show hey, Otane Freeman, Freddie Freeman, the kid in Kansas
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City shortstop. There's a lot of great, great talent out there.
But Aaron Judges separated himself from everybody else. In my opinion,
what does is that enough surprises those all taken Joe.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Yeah, I was going to ask, when are they going
to give him the Barry Bonds treatment and just start
walking them all day long?
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Because he's just hitting missiles everywhere.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
It doesn't matter, right, And you know that's that's a
great point. And I think, and I told my brother
this a few years ago. I watched Aaron Judge. I said,
if he continues on this path, and this is after
he hits sixty homers, I said, Aaron Judge is the
only man on Earth walking around that is capable of
hitting three fifty and seventy homers.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Holy cow.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
And I remember Aaron said, because Aaron gets watched, he's
got an upfront you know, he's got a Yeah, he's
got a front row seat every night, he said, I
don't question the seventy homers. He said, three fifty is
a stretch. I said, I'm not saying he's going to
hit three fifty. The fact of right handed hit or
hitting three fifty with seventy is we've never seen it before.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
But if anybody can do it, he can do it.
And right now he's hitting four to twenty seven. Now,
I'm not saying he's not gonna dip down to three
forty eight and and and I think the only thing
that can keep him from that seventy mark is, like
you said, Joe, it's it's will they pitch.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Will it get to the point where they pitched him
Barry Bonds. What people didn't realize is it didn't matter
who you put behind him. I could put you know,
pick a pick a player from my era. Pickt Ken
Griffy Junior, pick a Manny Ramirez, pick anyone you want
a big Poppy. If the game's on the line and
Big Poppy's hitting behind Bonds, guess what the visiting managers
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say it put it on, It doesn't matter. So I
think Aaron Judge is separating himself right now where if
he's locked in and swinging the bat good, it doesn't
matter who you hit behind him.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
You gotta you, gotta, you gotta go like this from
the visiting dugout.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
So let me ask, let me ask you this one
now that we're in twenty twenty five, who would you
say is the face of this and is the Major
League Baseball doing a good job of marketing these guys?
Because I think Aaron Judge should be everywhere on television
right now. I think you should be on Cereal boxes.
I think you should be social media. I think he
should be more famous than ninety percent of the NBA
(07:15):
or NFL. And I feel like that is a name
that you're just not hearing enough. What does the league
have to do for that?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I agree?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I think the other major sports leagues do a better
job marketing their players, and baseball's got to get on
that page. You know, the show Hey O Tani phenomenon
in La is unbelievable. I mean and show we get
whatever he gets publicity wise, deserves every bit. Oh yeah,
he's once he starts pitching again, nobody's even comparable. So
(07:43):
right now, who are you taking. If you got one player, well,
I'm taking Aaron Judge. But if show he's pitching and
feeling good, he's a He's a front line starter.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
So you're getting two players for one.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
You've got a guy that's capable hitting fifty homers and
being an MVP and also capable of winning a cy young.
So it's really not fair to everybody else because we've
never seen him go in two ways that those are
the guys that need to be everywhere show. Hey, uh,
I think the young players of Paul Skins. You know,
he's kind of the face of baseball. Lad La Cruz
(08:18):
unbelievable talent. Skuy's the limit for him. He just quite
hasn't got to that superstar level from a numbers standpoint,
But if he ever gets there, he's a guy that
they're going to go to.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
There's there's a lot of guys out there that are
really good players.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
You know, Fernando Tatis, he had the slip up and
you know, he tainted his career a little bit when
he got suspended, but he's he's one of those guys.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
That could be the face of baseball. He's very charismatic.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
But I think you're right getting back to Judge, not
only what Judge does on and off the field, but
how he carries himself.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
He's charismatic at the same time, he's as professional as
they come. I think Derek Jeter, if if you were
to teach a class on on PR one on one,
I think Derek Jeter is the professor, and I think
Aaron Judges in the front row listening to what Derek
Jeter had to say, because you can't do it better
than Aaron is with with the level of star he is,
(09:13):
the way he carries himself and the way he answers questions.
Uh he epitomizes what I always said, there's no captains
of baseball.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
That's for hockey and soccer.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Uh he epitomizes what it means to be a captain
of a team. So all around, you know Aaron Judges
that he's the UH.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
He's the class president, he's the UH, he's the valedictorian,
he's the quarterback, he's the prom King. That's Aaron Judge.
He's that he's the perfect guy.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
If you could build and uh Ai for what's the
perfect ballplayer?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I think Aaron Judge fitzbel.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah, six seven, that size, he looks like a cartoon character.
He is unbelievable. He's also the closest I would say,
because I remember when I was watching baseball in my
college years and when you were playing during those days.
I'm remember he had like that similar as to what
Sammy Sosa had. You go to the ballpark, you can
hang out with your friends, and the minute Judge or
Sosa gets on the bet, everybody stops and they watch that.
(10:11):
And when he hits a home run, they go nuts.
And if he strikes out, you go back to all right,
what are we doing for the fourth inning? What are
we drinking? What are we eating? But when that guy
gets up, he's box office. You gotta stop and you
gotta watch him.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, I think right now on the pitching side, Paul
Skeens is that way. It's like Paul Skeens is pitching
and even though he's playing in Pittsburgh where they're gonna
have another long season and pry finishing last place, when
Paul Skeens pitches, the presses stop and everybody stops and
turns on what they're watching to see what he's gonna do.
There's there's only certain players that can capture that element
in our society. You know, Michael Jordan was the original
(10:43):
the Tiger Woods. And I'm not saying that that Judge
or Skeens are on the on the Jordan or Woods
platform just yet. I mean, that's pretty high bar, but
they're as close as it gets that we've got right now.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
In the game of baseball. And yeah, it's much.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
It's must I remember Bo Jackson was like that, Oh yeah,
bull Bow wasn't a star like these guys. I mean,
he didn't have the ridiculous numbers that these guys I've
mentioned have put up. But I'll tell you what it
was when he came to the play. It was much
watch TV because it's like, what freaky thing can is?
He might I miss if I don't watch this, you know?
(11:20):
And still you talk about Bow in his heyday and
the football what he was doing on the football side,
just running over people, and on the baseball side, yeah,
he made an All Star team, but he didn't have
those ridiculous numbers. He wasn't hitting forty fifty home runs
hitting three hundred. But the thing that stands out to
me about Bow the most, if you google this, watch
his first big league hit. It was a routine ground
(11:44):
ball to second base and he beat it out on
the turf. And when you really watch it and then
you watch it again, it's almost inhuman how fast this
man was running past first base. So google that those
are That's That's what I'm talking about. Can't miss TV
because when you watch it and watch it and watch
it again, you say, I kind of never seen that before.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
And that's what Bo did.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
He's one of those guys where you just you had
to tune in because it was Bo and who knows
what he's gonna do, whether he's running up a wall
or making a throw or something inhuman.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Or stay rolling a couple of linebackers. Bow is interesting
because he's one of the few players that nobody ever
talks about the what if game. Usually athletes when they
don't meet their full potential and we don't see their
whole career. Derreck Rose in Chicago. There's so many others
that we could do the what if game, But I
think if Bo Jackson had not gotten hurt on that
football play, what could have been of that guy? Because,
(12:37):
like you said, the amount of talent he had for
not just one sport and just the freak probably the
greatest athlete of all time. He could have done anything
he wanted to do and it ended shortly. What could
have been with Bo Jackson?
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Well, I think that's a lot has to do with
Bo Jackson the person. You know, he didn't clamor for that,
and he didn't go on interviews and talk about himself
and and and you know he did the commercials everywhere.
Well I'll tell you what, there there was a script
and there was a lot, there was a big check
at the end of So I'm just talking about on
(13:10):
a personal level. Uh, Bo didn't crave that attention. You know,
Bo wasn't rocking the look at me type stuff that
we see in the modern day athlete. So I think
that's why it's it's the what if you know, when
you if you interview bow and I had him on
my podcast, uh probably eight ten months ago. He wants
(13:31):
to talk about hunting, you know, he doesn't talk about it. Yeah,
he's a bow hunter. You know, you get the stories
out of him. But he's not a I'm bow nos,
you know, he's just kind of a living his life
and and uh but the guys that were there for us,
that watched it and saw it and were around adults
during that time watching him perform, Uh, we we know
(13:52):
what could have been if if that would that strange,
strange injury didn't happen to him.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Did you do?
Speaker 1 (13:59):
You have many personal stories of bow when he was playing.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Oh, I have an unbelievable story. I was in Uh
he got injured. He played with my dad in the
late nineties in Kansas City. Him and Dad were teammates,
so you know, I had met him. He was actually
really close to my youngest brother, Matthew, and so I
had met him ad passing. I was in college and
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you know, i'd visit Dad and Bo was his teammate
at the time. So I signed and I get the professor,
you know, pro ball, and I'm in Double A and
Bo had already had the injury and he was rehabbing.
They sent him down to Birmingham, Alabama. At the time
was the Chicago White Sox affiliate. I believe, yeah, I
think he was a White Socker.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
The Barons. So the Birmingham Barons right.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Right, So he was rehabbing in double A. And Bo
gets the first base and he looks over at me.
I'm playing second, and he kind of acknowledges me, Hey, Boone,
how you doing? You know, he knows that that's Bob
Boone's son at the time. And he looks at me
and kind of with a win can a smile and says, hey,
be careful trying to turn this double play.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I'm gonna come in pretty hard, you know. I had
a smile. Yeah, whatever, ball.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
And he gets picked off first base left handed, first
move and he freezes. He's about eight nine feet off
the bag. He doesn't even try to get back to
the back.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
He just stands there.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Now, normally it's a shortstop cover unless I can get
there first. So I'm the second basement. I get to
the bag because Bow's just kind of messing around. It's
like he's just messing with people. He takes off on
a full sprint. I'm standing at the bag. First baseman
throws me the ball ball at the times for like
thirty steps from me. I've got the ball at second base,
(15:44):
just sitting there waiting for him. Now, I figure we're
gonna get into a pickle, We're gonna get into a rundown.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
So I'm ready to go back and start running back
to first. He doesn't stop.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
He just keeps running at me, and I'm like, you know,
he gets to twenty feet away, and I going, what
is he doing?
Speaker 3 (16:01):
He's just gonna give me the out.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
He gets ten feet away and he's running like like
he's got a football and he's going he's going to
score a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
I mean he's not.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
He's going a hundred percent. Well, he's five feet away
from me. I got the ball, and I mean he's
in low fly mode. He's going full steam at five
feet Now. Everything's flashing through my mind, and I'm going,
does he know he can't run the second basement over?
That's not you know, at the time, you could run
the catcher over in baseball, that was fair game. But
(16:35):
I've never heard of somebody running over the second basement
with the exception Albert Bell.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
And that.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
I don't know what he's doing. So I'm starting to
get a little nervous.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
And this is obviously everything's going in a you know,
you know flash, but all these thoughts are going through
and he gets two steps away and he's still going
full steam. I kinda have to tag down by the
bag and I just flinch, like this mac truck's gonna
(17:08):
hit me. I'm I'm, I gotta prepare for collision.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Here. I kind of pull back. He stops on a
dime and puts his foot on the back and I
kind of.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Hesitate and tag him. Well, the umpire at the time,
there was no replay. You didn't have to put the
tag on the player back. Then umpire calls him out.
He's out by thirty feet. Of course, the ball beat him.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
The tag was down. He's out. But he was safe
because I finished everybody and everybody knew it.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
And Boat looks at me. He doesn't even argue. He
looks at me, winks and goes, quote, you know I
was safe, right, And I kind of looked at him
like he was a terminator. I'm like, I don't know
what just happened to him.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
And he ran off. He ran off the field smiling,
and the umpire he didn't know what to do, is
but yes, he you know. I go to the do
I got my teammates are like, did you tag him?
I said no, he was absolutely safe. But you know
he was out by thirty feet, so that's my boat days.
He's remarkable.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Man.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
I've never seen you know, I've never played in the NFL,
but I've never seen a mac truck. I've never been
scared on a baseball field. Put it that way.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Ever in my life have I been scared physically scared. Now,
I've been scared because my swing stinks and I don't
want to face the slighter and chase it.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
It embarrass myself.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
But I've never been physically scared on a baseball field ever,
and I was scared.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Now. You also played with Dion Sanders prime Time. Talk
about sometimes with him and also we got to get
to exactly what happened in this football drive of the sun.
But talk about what it's like because you played with
a guy who is that dynamic and that much of
an athlete too, and definitely one of the greatest football
players of all time. Definitely not I wouldn't put them baseball,
(19:00):
but the freakish athlete that he was. We were able
to see the full potential. So talk about what it's
like to actually play with somebody of that caliber.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Well, he was definitely prime time in the clubhouse.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Uh, so I got to see you got to see
that up close and personal.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
We were you there were you there with the timmccarver
or we put the cooler on him.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
He was in Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
That's right, Okay, I thought I could remember.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Uh Dion and myself were teammates, I think a couple
of years in Cincinnati. It was definitely Cincinnati. I don't
know if it was one or two years or parts
of one year. He was actually my locker bate, so
I got to see primetime up close. It was entertaining. Actually,
fastest man I've ever seen on a on an athletic field,
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Deion Sanders. Once he got up and move it. So
if he hit one in the gap and he got
to around first base and he put the flaps down
and went into sprint mode, it's the fastest man I've
ever seen on a field. That's a be decent baseball player,
not the greatest, but when you're one of the greatest
(20:06):
football players in the world and you're just playing Major
League baseball as a hobby, I don't know too many
people that could do that.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
So it props to him for that.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Very respectable and was a solid baseball player and obviously
one of the greatest. Like like you said, Dan, one
of the greatest football players. Definitely cornerbacks of all time,
defensive backs, whatever, We're gonna put him in a category
and an unbelievable marketer too, and he's still doing it.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
This draft. You mentioned the draft.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yes, funny to me because I'm not a football draft guy.
I don't watch, don't care, don't watch. It's not my genre.
Now I'm a guy I watch a game, you know,
especially we've got a couple bucks on it. I watch
a super Bowl like every other red blooded American. But
I'm not an NFL draft paint my face act like
(20:58):
a lunatic runner.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Oh yeah, my team got this guy. Because I don't
really have a team, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I follow the Eagles off all the Seahawks a little bit,
but I really don't care. When I was a kid,
I followed the Niners. I was a Niner fan, but
I really don't care who the draft picks are. I
don't know who they are. But this was an intriguing
story for me, the shoulder Sanders thing, just because of
all the hype and everything going on in Colorado. He's
Player of the Year this year, where was he going
(21:25):
to be picked? So I thought it was a human
interest story. I thought, oh, I'm going to tune in
and see where he's picked. You know, they're talking about
pick whatever, and then pick twenty one was a possibility
or pick twenty.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Then it gets to the second day.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
And everybody's kind of you know, I'm watching, I'm watching TV,
and I'm watching the you know, the analysts that do
this for a living, and I'm going, wow, they're kind
of spelled.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I don't know. I'm not an evaluator. I don't know
what talent is. You know, I go watch a baseball
draft and tell you if I put eyes on them.
But I don't know anything about the football and the nuances.
So I'm just suspectator. I'm just a fan, like, Oh,
when's it get Day three? I'm still watching. So I'm
sitting there thinking this is a conspiracy. They're trying to
get the guys that would never watch the draft to
(22:13):
watch it, not only for the first pick, which you know,
the football fans are always watching day one, but by
day three I would assume the crowd dwindles. Oh no,
but you had guys like me watching on day three.
The ratings must have been through the roof.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
And when I say guys like me, I mean.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
The casual football fan that would normally never tune in
to Day three of the draft. I'm still watching. What
did I come away with? I came away with that
I didn't like the comparisons and I didn't like twitter. Oh,
Eli Manning did it, And it's different than no. You
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can't compare yourself to anybody now.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
A year ago. Who was the number one pick out
of USC the quarterback william Caleb Williams.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
He skipped the combine. You have to be very self
aware when you're an athlete or on how you're perceived,
what your level of talent is. Caleb Williams skipped the
combine and guess what, he still went one one. Eli
Manning said what he said before he went out there,
and he was still a first round pick. You've got
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to know who you are and be very self aware.
Just because Eli Manning did it, maybe the NFL doesn't
see you as an Eli Manning type talent. Maybe some
teams do, maybe some teams don't. So I think there
were some miscalculations done in his camp. That being said,
I also got sucked into watching Shiloh said there's on
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his twitch, and I really.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Ended up liking Shiloh. I'm like this guy. I don't
know if he's gonna make it in the NFL, but
but he's funny for me to watch, and I thought
it was a great big brother. I actually really liked
Shiloh and his personality that I got to see that
normally I would never get to see. Shadoor. I liked him.
I thought he's a good kid. He's People don't.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Need to realize we were all twenty one, twenty two,
twenty three.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
One day.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
If you were going to evaluate my life and my
decisions on when I was a twenty two year old
rookie in the big leagues and how I thought, things
I said, and the things I said and thought and
things I did, they weren't captured on Twitter and social
media like today. So you're living in a bubble. But
you still and I have a lot of grace for athletes,
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especially young athletes. You know, I cover and analyze in
Major League Baseball all the time, and when a twenty
two to twenty three, twenty four year old kid says
something stupid or makes a bad choice, I'm not the
first to just, oh, how dare you?
Speaker 3 (24:45):
You're a jerk? This, you're you're a child, You're a kid.
We were all kids.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
So I have a lot of grace for young people
in general because they don't know what's about to hit him.
You know, maybe life hasn't humbled you yet, but you
will get home. Believe me, I was far from humble
when I was twenty two years old. You go through
my career in the big laes, I've been humbled and
in life to now, I've been very humbled many times,
and a lot of us need that. But I'm very
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I'm not quick to judge people. I always want to
give them a chance, especially when they're young, because I'll
guarantee all of us will look back when we're twenty two,
and then when we're thirty two, we'll look at that
twenty two year old go shake our heads.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
And say, man, that guy had a lot to learn. Yeah,
and I think one day, Shador, we'll look back go,
you know what, Maybe I should have handled that all differently.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Maybe I could have handled it all differently. Things would
have gone a little bit different. It cost them some
money in the short term.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Forty million dollars is what.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Here's the deal.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
And I know it's apples to oranges Baseball draft and
NFL Draft and the money.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
But I remember coming.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Out of college and I was projected to go like
twenty six in the country and I went to the
fifth round.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
I was first pick in the fifth round.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
And you know this wasn't all on TV and social media,
but I remember talking to my dad like, are you
are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Dad?
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I got in the fifth round. You tell them not
to come in here and offer me fifth round money.
I'm way better. I should have been a first round pick.
And my dad was looking at this twenty year old kid, going, well,
you want me to call Major League Baseball and have
him redo the draft and see if.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
It comes out knocking me.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
And I'm going, you're on my side. That's me being
a kid and not knowing. And my dad said to me,
here's the first lesson in life, Bret. Life ain't fair.
Life ain't fair. He said, So what are you going
to do about it? And he said, if I were you,
I'd get the best signing bonus I could and I'd
get my butt to wherever they assigned me to go.
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So next year, you can start your first full season
in Double A, and you can get to the big
leagues a year earlier. I wouldn't sit here and hold
out and waste your summer, he said, I'd get out,
get the best money I can get right now. It's
not going to matter in the long round, he said,
you if you stink and you're not good enough, you're
gonna have to get a job anyway. So but if
you're good enough and you get out and you play
right now, you're going to be the big leagues where
the real money is quicker. And I took that advice
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best thing I ever. I got the big leagues in
a year and a half. And he was right. But
at the time you couldn't tell me, Hey, I was wrong.
I was a fifth round I should have been a
first round pick. And when it's all said and done,
it really doesn't matter. Well, the money now in the NFL, yeah,
short term it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
That's a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
But the kids nowadays are coming from nil money, so
they know what money is before they Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
And he knows what money is before nil and just
living in that, just living that lifestyle.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
But the bottom line is it's done and over. I
thought he I thought his post.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
He wasn't bitching and moaning once he got picked in
the fifth round.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
He I didn't see him. I saw him with a
smile on his face, still flashing the jewelry and all
that stuff, which that's not what I would do. But
I didn't see him as an angry, bitter person. He
was just kind of smiling, like, Yeah, what am I
gonna do? I'm a Cleveland Brown, So I would say
at this point, it's like, all right, what's done is done.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
It's over. You're not going to redo it.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yes, maybe you'll look back one day and said I
would have handled it differently, but the bottom line is
go show him now.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
You know.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
I remember putting a big old chip on my back,
say I'm going to prove to these guys they made
a bad decision taking me in the fifth round, and
I kind of carried that with me. It wasn't something
publicly I shared with a lot of people, but I
kept it right here, and I think at the end
it probably helped me a little bit.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
So it's all about what you do. Now. Everybody can
speculate he's that good, He's not that good.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
He got screwed. People were put off by this that whatever,
it's over with. Now it's time to go play. Go
play with the big boys, and prove that you can
play at the NFL level and thrive at the NFL level.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
So that's my.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Long, short version of what I thought about the draft.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Before we get into the arguments, which is what everybody
comes here for, let me ask you one quick question.
You played during a time where technology and nutrition, weight
training was just kind of getting there. All these baseball players,
every athlete right now has unlimited access to just about
everything in the world, supplements and all that kind of stuff. Right,
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Who would Red Moon be if he had all that
access when you played? And how do you think you
would play if you were in the league right now? Well,
not not in your age, but I mean coming into
it right now.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Oh, it's simple to go back.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
What if you know my career, I sum it up
in two careers, the first half and the second half.
First half, I was a kid on fire, had a
chip on my shoulder. I wanted to prove that I belonged,
had some good years, had some tough years. Second half
of my career I started to take it. I kind
of had an epiphany one day and I said, you know,
I'm just sick of kind of going out there blind
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with the ability that I was given, God given. I
want to take it to another level. I want to
get in the best shape I can. I want to
eat perfect, I want to train. I did that.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
I got to Seattle.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
I got with Edgar Martinez, one of the one of
the best right handed hitters that I've been watching for
about ten years. When I first got to the big leagues,
Edgar was on my team. I didn't take that opportunity
to pick his brain, really picked his brain, and the
second half of my career, I really came up with
a plan and a strategy, an off season plan, an
off season strategy, and then I came up with a
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game plan, and not at one hundred and sixty two,
but at bat to at bat. I had a plan
that we played out every single day, every before every
at bat, and I put that into action, and I
became a completely different player because I had an approach,
whereas in past years I would just out there chicken
with my head cut off, swinging hard and hoping for
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the best. And all of a sudden, I kind of
had a moment where now I'm gonna prepare my body
as good as I can, and I'm gonna prepare my
approach is going to be as good as it can
be for me to give me the best opportunity to
be successful over one hundred and sixty games. So if
I would have had that mindset in today's society as
a young kid, I probably would have had a better half.
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The first half of my career would have probably been
more illustrious. That being said, you can't go back there.
I'm envious a lot of things in today's game. I'm
not envious of. I don't like the game as much
as I did when I was playing, or my father
was playing, or when my grandfather was playing. I still
love baseball. It's been my whole life. And I'm not
one of those guys it's better when I played. No,
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it's different when I played. And it took me a
few years of this modern day game for me to
really get through on this side of the microphone. When
I'm going to do this and analyze for a living.
It was like, hey, I've got to let go of
when we played. When I played, we did it this way,
and this is the right way. It's like, this is
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not my game anymore. I'm not an active player, I'm
an ex player. This is their game, not my game.
I remember when ex players would come into the clubhouse
and act appropriately, ton of respect for them, But the
guys that came in and act like it was their
game still, that left a bad taste in my mouth.
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So I never wanted to be that guy. So I
respect the hell out of the players today. It's different,
but it's not my game. It's their game. History will
judge each in one of our generations of play, so
who am I to do that. I'm envious of the
players today what they have at their disposal, the data,
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the video at your fingertips at all times. I would
be in hog heaven that I could roll into a
city have a four game set. I've got a tablet
or my computer has every bad I've had against all
four starting pitchers. I've got all their bullpen. Not only
my at bats against the guys in the bullpen, but
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but this bullpen the last week, every outing they've come in.
I can watch players on other teams that I consider
to be like myself. How did they pitch them that?
Probably that's how I'm going to be pitched. So part
of me is very envious of today's player. And like
you said, it's starting at minor leg I mean I remember,
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you know, my son was in the minor leagues as
of a year ago, and I hear these minor leaguers
complaining about, Oh, we're not getting paid enough and this
and that.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I look at my son and go, what the hell
do you add to the bottom line?
Speaker 2 (33:14):
You know what they're paying you. You have an opportunity.
That's what we are. That's all we can all ask.
I remember being in double A making nine hundred dollars
a month and I had I was on my own
to get my own housing. And I didn't care because
we went to the Piccadilly every day. We got a
good deal for like a buck ninety nine. This is now,
this is nineteen ninety buck ninety nine all you can
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eat for lunch. I'm sleeping on a couch half the time,
paying a couple hundred bucks in rent, doing my laundry
at the ballpark. And I was happy as could be
because I knew, I'm just gonna play good. I'm gonna
get the hell out of here. I'm gonna go to
the next level. And the next level, and it wasn't
about that, but that's it's a different time. The society
now is all about, hey, you get yours, Well, no,
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you earn yours and then we'll get you. Believe me,
you earn it and you grind it out. In the
minor leagues, the reward at the top level.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
If you haven't seen the sports salaries nowadays.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
They're pretty good. So you know, the minor leagues, they
have everything at their supposal.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
In the minor leagues.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
I mean, the minor league complexes are as nice as
the big league complexes when I got to the big leagus.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Now the minor leagues are like that.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
They got two lockers, they got six massuses, and state
of the art, you know. They got cold pools and jacuzzi's.
We had like one tub that had an engine that
you had to start it would twirl.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
The bubbles were.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
But no, I'm not jealous of it.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
I'm envious of it because it's like, Wow, what these
guys have today is really cool, and you hope they
take advantage of it and appreciate what they have, and
most guys do.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
They really do. So that's my take.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
What kind of player I think if I could go back, Yeah,
I think the first half of my career, you would
have seen a difference if I took it for more
of a scientific and more.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Of a uh.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
A thinking man's hitter versus a just give me a bat.
That's what I always was, give me a bat, let's go.
And and when I really started to break it down
and take each hit bat the same and not you know,
control my emotions and be level headed instead of you know,
don't get high, don't get too low. Anybody can do handspring, handstands,
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backflips and crank the music high. When you just got
four hits and you just won six of seven, I
want to see how you behave when you went zero
for four, you punched out twice, you made an error
to lose the game, and your team sticks. I don't
want to see you sucking your thumb in the corner.
So there's there's a you know, I always said that
I'd always give it this line, I go, this is
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how we behave. That's where the professionals behave. Yeah, if
you're doing great, I'm not saying don't have fun. Turn
the music up, but I don't want you see in
the doldrums when things aren't going good. There's got to
be some semblance there in the middle.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Evs Arens far.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Far Dad, we really went over your twenty five minutes.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
We may have got a little over than twenty five minutes,
but we got to get a couple arguments in there.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
I'm long winded today. Joe's boney talks.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
For him moonor I love it at all. I love
you coming on, and I love you being with us,
and I'm just glad that we get to have you on.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
And I'm giving you your money's worthing they're.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Giving me my money's worth it. It is much appreciated.
As we go to the best portion of this podcast,
the arguments. It is here where we ask you very
silly questions. There are no real answers, and if we get
a good argument out of it, we just might go viral.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
All right, So the best part of the podcast that
remains to be seen, I'll let you.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
I was gonna say that might be the next podcast,
but we'll go from there. We'll go for there, all right.
So here's what I'm gonna throw it you out. Seventh
game of the World Series, Bottom of the night in inning
two outs. Who do you want to see in the
and who do you want to see in the battery box?
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Okay, seventh game of the World series.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Yep, it all comes down to the last out.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
So is this for my viewing pleasure? Or do I
have a dog in the fun.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Not a viewing pleasure? If you're gonna go, who do
I want to see?
Speaker 3 (37:15):
You gotta go out there?
Speaker 2 (37:16):
I gotta go. I'd love to see. I want to
see it well obvious. I want to see a Randy
Johnson Barry Bonds matchup.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
That would be awesome.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Tony do we need a knock? Just we need a
base hit?
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Tony Gwinn'd be a fun one too, the Randy Johnson
Tony Gwynn one h or or or if we can
live in a different world, how about show hey pitching
versus show a hit?
Speaker 1 (37:49):
That would be awesome? That would be awesome?
Speaker 3 (37:53):
About bow versus Dia.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
If one of those is pinching, I'm watching that one too.
I think I really still want to see Roger Clemens
against an Aaron Judge. I want to see what a
Roger Clemens could do with this day and age and
a guy that goes or even a Kirby Bucket as
that hitter. I would I would go either one, but
I still want to see Roger Clemens at the mound.
That guy. Every time I saw him play, I was like,
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this is gonna be a really good game.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
I'll take a Maddox Manny Rivera.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
I was gonna say Maddox and Bonds.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
I'll think of Maddox Bonds. Uh.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
The only thing about it is when Barry was in
his heyday as great as Maddox is. And I think
Maddox is the greatest pitcher I've ever seen, soup to nuts, full,
full career. Not the nastiest, but the best, the most technical,
the most efficient. I've never seen anyone better than Barry Bonds.
Stuff wise, Randy's about as good as it gets. So
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the only my only challenge would be I think it
would be more of a challenge, not only because it's
it's Randy bit, it's because it's lefty on lefty, so
it's going to be a little harder for me. And
I think Barry has a slight well, you never have
an edge as a hitter, never got the bat. The
best in the world get on base. You know, it's
the most overrated term, but thirty percent of the time,
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and you're all of trainor.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
So you never have an advantage.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
But I think even more of a disadvantage would be
Randy because it's left un left.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
What about Nolan Ryan? How scary was Nolan? How scary
was Nolan?
Speaker 3 (39:27):
But you know, to make it fair though, you can't
put Barrier Tony Gwyn up there because they're left handed,
So I got to make it tougher. So name some
of the great right handatters. So yeah, nowadays, let's put
Aaron Judge against Nolan. Now, that's cool, that's for the ages.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
You know, that's one for the ages because that's a
guy that played in the sixties versus a guy that's
playing in twenty twenty five. And Nolan, with his velocity
and his skill set was was a little ahead of
his time. So it'd be cool to see Nolan Aaron.
I think Nolan Judge, Randy Bonds or two of my
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favorite that I've heard so far.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
I would say I would also like to see how
Pete Rose would do in every different generation of baseball,
because when you've seen that guy breakdown, how he hit,
if he was in a slump, he would just go
in different sides of the boxes. He had all kinds
of different kinds of ways of trying to get himself
back in that batter's box, and he was the greatest,
probably one of the greatest hitters of all time.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Yeah, but Dan also, you know who i'd want to see.
I want to see some of that we'd ever hear about.
I want to see Babe Ruth hit because baby, like,
he's like a He's like a cartoon character, right, Yeah,
he didn't really exist. He's like mythical, mythical Daniel Boone,
I've heard of that guy. He's a myth you know.
So I want to see like a Honus Wagner hit.
I want to see.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Honus Wagner, Ty Cobb. Yeah, I want to see Ty
Cobb out there. I don't want to see these guys
I've already seen.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Give you one inning of shoeless Joe Jackson, I've only heard,
I've only.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Heard, hey exactly, I want to see, Yeah, I want
to see that.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
I want to see that things that I've never seen before.
And really, you see that grainy old video of Babe
taking hacks.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
But I want to see them in a game situation.
I want to be in the crowd.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Give me rank and sella field of dreams all day
with those guys. I'll watch the past time. And speaking
of the field of dreams, the next argument to you
would be the Mount Rushmore of the greatest sports movies
ever made? What are the four sports movies that you
think are the greatest movies that I've ever been made?
Speaker 3 (41:28):
All right, caveat. I hate baseball movies.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
They're there's not one that's like, Man, this was me
Bull Durham.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
I pay attention to detail, very much, to my detriment,
and it drives me crazy. Hollywood producers have no clue
what it's really all right, that'd be I will go
four because it's the most realistic depiction of baseball I've
ever seen. Is Bull Durham. Nice Bull Durham. Except for
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one thing that bugged me. It's pretty much how it
is in the minor leagues. You living paycheck to paycheck,
you're looking for a free meal, you're living on couches,
You're you've got the guys. I remember the guys in
the bullpen taking the spell off their bats because they're
in a slump. I played, you know, the Durham Bull
that was real. I played in that stadium awesome. Did
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you did you hit the free steak?
Speaker 3 (42:23):
I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
But I think the only thing that was wrong about
that is remember when they pulled into I forget what
stadium they were, and they said, hey, we're going to
get a rain out tomorrow, and they went and they
flooded the Yeah, impossible because in the minor leagues, you
will never get to a city the night before because
they'll have to pay for a hotel. You always get
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up at four in the morning, get there the next day.
So that's a little footnote for you. I could put
it three, but it's four. What's the one with moneyball?
Me not because of the baseball. I think some of
it was true. Some of it was a little movied up.
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But I think it was just a quality movie. I
was entertained by it and I was living in that
Plus my name was on the chalkboard.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
If you look, I did notice that. I have noticed that.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
So I always liked that when they give a shout out,
because that was that was my time in the early
two thousands, and we had a really kind of big rivalry.
The American League West was the class of baseball, and
that Oakland A's T's was team was tremendous, and the
Anaheim Angels who won the World Series in two thousand
and two, and my Mariners. That was a great division.
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So I remember those times vividly. There was some of
the best years of my career, some of the funnest times,
and the best teammates I've ever had.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
So I remember that so that I'm gonna put that
at three just for the sheer movie enjoyable because it
was realistic.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Oh and the other two are simple because they're harmless.
They're fun. Bad News Bears and Breaking Training.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Yes, that is Bear, that's a that's a that's a throwback.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
Nice but that was like in today's version would have
been Bad News Bears two in Breaking Trainings too, and
the all time greatest is the original Bad News Bears.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
Those are classics. Joey, if you had four in your mouth,
rushmore which ones are on yours?
Speaker 3 (44:22):
See?
Speaker 4 (44:22):
I'm not I'm not going just straight baseball movies, but
Major League for sheer entertainment value, comedy absolutely has to
be on there. Slap Shot with the Hands.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
Brothers good, yeah, up to baseball, but slap Shot is
a classic.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
I do love a miracle.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
I'm a big hockey guy nineteen eighties, So that's that's
a great one. And then I'm wearing my uh, nineteen
eighties Caddy Shack hat.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
You know, we're in the uh what is this here?
Speaker 1 (44:55):
The Bushwood Championship hat.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
So it's got to be number one. So Caddyshack qualifies
as a sports movie.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Oh yeah, it's a golf movie.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Well see, I'm a fan of all four. You just mentioned. Sure,
huge slapshot man and a huge Caddyshack man.
Speaker 4 (45:12):
See. The one I could have put on there that
I didn't was The Sandlot. Loved that movie as a kid.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
Why not everybody loves The Sandlot. I don't see it.
It didn't all come on.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
It's just a good old fashioned kids good it's a
coming of age kids movies.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
When I get it, I'm in the minority, I get it.
I get hey all the time.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
I remember watching that. I was in a neighborhood that
was being developed, and we legitimately went out to a
plot of land and made our own baseball diamond and
dug it out with with the with shovels and took
the weeds out and made our own baseball field. Kind
of like that were inspired as kids to do it,
and it's still one of my favorites. I could watch
it at anytime.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
We did a garage ball when I was growing up,
and all it took for was my brother to smash
one window across the street and we never played baseball again.
That was the end of my baseball career. One window
smash and we all had pay for That was it.
My four. If we're gonna go the greatest sports movies
of all time, number one on that list is always
gonna be Rudy. I can watch Rudy anytime, anytime.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
One of my favorites.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
I also for number two. Give me Happy Gilmore. That
is one of my favorite golf movies of all time.
It's just an entertaining watch.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Dan enjoy it. It can't be a Mount Rushmore. But
that's that's the argument. That's the argument. How could you not?
How could you not put Avy Gilmore up there?
Speaker 3 (46:33):
It's too slapsticky. You can't compare Happy Gilmore to.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
Rude, but I can.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
You can't throw. You can't throw one of the all
type classic slapshot against Happy but different different levels of class.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
Look, it's sports with a little bit of humor. Twist
and a love story which an apollo creed is in there,
which actually gets to my next one would be Rocky four,
my favorite Rocky out of all of them.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
I'm not gonna argue with the Rockies. I'm a huge fan,
huge slide fan.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
And the last one of my favorite sports movies of
all time will be The Program. Oh I forgot about it,
man Zel, No, that's the title. That's Titans. The program
is with what's the name college football?
Speaker 4 (47:17):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (47:18):
James Wood? No, it's what's his name? The guy from
the Godfather and the dad from James Cohn, James con
James Cohn, and then just the entire everything about college
football and Latimer all steroid it up, and the running
back who is also going through everything, and the quarterback
that is just my favorite one.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
Pretty good, all right. But the happy Gilmour slap slapshot.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
That's like the Beatles against Million Vanilla, just two different.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
You know, you can enjoy it. You can enjoy both. That,
my friend, But let's not put him in the same vein.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Oh not only is in the same vein, it's the
same rock, buddy, It's the same rock, all right. And
because we love you I'm gonna get onto the last one,
and this one would be our chat GVT argument of
the day. I ran it through Chad GBT and Moon
this one, I don't think anybody will ever ask you,
and you're gonna enjoy this one. Would you rather fight
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one Randy Johnson sized duck or a hundred duck sized
Randy Johnson's still my favorite question of all time.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
I'm gonna go with one Randy size?
Speaker 3 (48:40):
Correct? Correct?
Speaker 1 (48:41):
I say that right one Randy so is a duck
that is six foot ten. You would rather dig on
that duck than a couple of one and a half
foot Randy Johnson's.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
Absolutely, because a famous, some famous guy once said in
some piece of art, smash their knee, the biggest boys
go down. I saw the movie recently. I forget what
it was. You smash their knee, and I don't care
how big they are. So I'm gonna go for the
duck's knee and try to take them out.
Speaker 3 (49:10):
I don't eat a bunch of Randy Johnson's ducks just
pecking at me.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Oh, you gotta understand they made me duck size? What
that hand is?
Speaker 4 (49:20):
Still?
Speaker 1 (49:20):
For one hundred miles an hour?
Speaker 3 (49:22):
Yeah, that's true. But I got a bat. I got
a bat. I still got some batspeeed.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
I can see you golf clubing those guys away. I
wouldn't pay to watch you golf club.
Speaker 4 (49:31):
Then I'm just envisioning the chicken with Peter Griffin from
the Family Guy with us.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
Through the streets. So, Joe, would you rather take on
the six foot ten duck or a couple of two
foot Randy Johns or one hundred? I'm going with the.
Speaker 4 (49:49):
Hundred foot or I'm going with the hundred little Randy Johnson's.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
Okay, what is that?
Speaker 4 (49:55):
Well, because I'm not quite six feet, I'm close. And
what was Randy six plus six ten?
Speaker 3 (50:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (50:03):
Six ten?
Speaker 2 (50:05):
Come on, Joe, six tennis six that's seven miles.
Speaker 4 (50:11):
I think I'd have a better shot with all the
with all the little Randy Johnson's, I can kick him
away or something, but one giant Randy Johnson's.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
You ever played eleven duck? You ever put your head
in to bee hive?
Speaker 1 (50:25):
I will actually one, I actually boot, I will agree
with you. You can give you that six foot ten duck
because all you got to do is feed that guy
and he'll leave me alone. You got about one hundred
little little Randy Johnson's walking around with one hundred miles
an hour fists. I want no part of that. Even
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if I had a baseball batter or golf club, there's
one hundred of those guys coming. It's like that, uh,
Jurassic Park, when those little Kombe dinosaurs start eating the guy.
They're like tiny, but with one hundred of them kind
of come on you. I can't take that.
Speaker 3 (50:59):
They don't holdeth I don't like either scenario. And by
the way, and I know that's the premise dumbest question
I've ever been asked as now I take into consideration
not in the most serious of vein.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
Yes, well, it's the only time I've ever busted you
to laugh, and that my friend, was worth every moment
of that question.
Speaker 3 (51:20):
By the way, that's absurd.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
I have never gotten bread to laugh. But I want
to thank Brett Moon for jumping on the podcast coming
on to barguments. He is Brett Moon. You can listen
to his podcast, The Brett Moon Podcast, which is amazing.
It is a long form podcast all the greatest guests.
He also has another one with Rich Herrera. What does
that want to call it? Again?
Speaker 3 (51:38):
The Ernick two turn into a Booney.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
That one is a really good So if you're subscribing
to podcast and you're listening to this one, Brett has
the greatest baseball players, even people that aren't even in baseball,
some of the greatest athletes and actors. That is a
really good podcast. Boon, Thanks for jumping on with us.
This is Arguments. I'm Dan Levy, he is Joe Filippo.
Don't forget you can subscribe. This is gonna be on
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So once again for Joe Filippo, Brett Boone. My name
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again soon
Arguments is recorded in front of a live studio audience.
What's up, everybody. Welcome in, ladies and gentlemen to another
exciting edition of barg Events, the podcast where both takes
friendly debates and absolute nonsense. I'll come to play Adyan
Levy with me. He is my co host Joe Philippo,
and today we've got a good one for you. Three
(00:21):
time All Stars, silver slugger and one of the best
second basemen of his era for me of all time,
host of the bred Boone Podcast, the one and only
bred Boone Booner, Thanks for coming on, buddy.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Guys, Danny, thank you. It's a pleasure to come on Arguments.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I'm ready. I'm ready, locked and loaded.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
The pleasure is all on this side of the stream yard, buddy.
All right, So it's baseball season, and of course my
got jab we got to talk about it. It's young.
What are your overall thoughts so far the twenty twenty
five season.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Of baseball twenty twenty five, let's see, you know, a
few surprises.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
For me, I had the cups to.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Win that Central Division, but they're looking like they're better
than I thought they were. Everybody, including myself, had the Dodgers.
I think it's the most talented roster ever put together
on paper going into the season, and I still think
they're the best team. No surprise there. I knew the
Padres were still going to be really good. But the
big surprise for me over there in the West National
(01:24):
League West is the San Francisco Giants playing as well
as they have. I think the American League West is
going to be a shootout all year. Yankees are leading
right now. I think they're doing a great job with
the losses of coal and heel to start the season.
Big shock to me early was the Braves losing seven
in a row out of the shoot but I'll tell you,
(01:45):
if you watch the Braves now, they're slowly getting healthy.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
They're coming.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I still think they're the class of that division, even
though right now the Mets, who are another surprise to me.
I knew the Mets were going to be better. I
didn't think they could pitch enough. I didn't think they
addressed the pitching enough in the offseason. But much to
my chagrin, I like pretending like I'm smart using words
like chagrin, Danny, I'll tell you what with Montas.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
And Manaia not throwing a pitch.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
In twenty twenty five, the Mets have the best pitching
staff in baseball statistically from ann run average standpoint.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
That's a huge surprise to me. So uh A lot
of it what I expected, But there are definitely some surprises.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Detroit Tigers much better. You know they they snuck into
the playoffs a year ago. But I'll tell you what
they're for real. That pitching staff led by schoobl But
they got some talent there.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Hobby Bayez.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Dead and it's it's I never thought i'd see him
ever be a you know, a difference maker player. It's
impressive the way he's come back, all the ups and
downs he's been through.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
He's playing at center field now.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Obviously a big time athlete, but uh yeah, a lot
of good things going on in big league baseball, and.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
I don't know that it surprises me. I know how
great he is.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
But this is my number one, and I'm gonna do
a little segment on it here shortly. Aaron Judge is unbelievable.
Phase I've never It's tough to impress me from a
baseball standpoint with a player or accolades or what they're
(03:20):
doing obviously show Hey Otani, I didn't think I'd ever
see that in.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
My lifetime, but I did.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Aaron Judge is doing things that I never thought thought
would be done in my lifetime. He's the closest thing
I can see to Barry Bonds, and anyone would ever
touch Barry Bonds. Barry Bonds by far the best player,
especially on the offensive side, I've ever seen in my lifetime,
and number two wasn't even close. It was Arry and
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then it was everybody else. Judge is creeping as close
as I possibly could imagine, especially doing it as a
right handed hitter. Left handed hitter, you always got a
slight advantage because the majority of pitchers are right handed.
But for a right handed hitter to do what Aaron
Judge is doing right now, it's it's unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
It's like he sees pitches better than the rest of us.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
He has an uncanny ability to slow the game down,
and I'm in awe watching him on a daily basis.
It's like, and throw the numbers away. I mean, he's
hitting four something, which is absurd. The first of May.
He's got ten homers. He's not even getting loose yet.
He got thirty some RBIs is his ops is off
the charts, the numbers.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
I'm just saying what I see with my eyes when
I sit on the couch and watch him hit. It's
a pleasure to watch it because he's just he sees
the ball earlier than every other Big League And there's
some great big league hitters out there, Mookie Betts, Juan Sota,
what he did last year and in the postseason, you know,
show hey, Otane Freeman, Freddie Freeman, the kid in Kansas
(04:55):
City shortstop. There's a lot of great, great talent out there.
But Aaron Judges separated himself from everybody else. In my opinion,
what does is that enough surprises those all taken Joe.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Yeah, I was going to ask, when are they going
to give him the Barry Bonds treatment and just start
walking them all day long?
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Because he's just hitting missiles everywhere.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
It doesn't matter, right, And you know that's that's a
great point. And I think, and I told my brother
this a few years ago. I watched Aaron Judge. I said,
if he continues on this path, and this is after
he hits sixty homers, I said, Aaron Judge is the
only man on Earth walking around that is capable of
hitting three fifty and seventy homers.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Holy cow.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
And I remember Aaron said, because Aaron gets watched, he's
got an upfront you know, he's got a Yeah, he's
got a front row seat every night, he said, I
don't question the seventy homers. He said, three fifty is
a stretch. I said, I'm not saying he's going to
hit three fifty. The fact of right handed hit or
hitting three fifty with seventy is we've never seen it before.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
But if anybody can do it, he can do it.
And right now he's hitting four to twenty seven. Now,
I'm not saying he's not gonna dip down to three
forty eight and and and I think the only thing
that can keep him from that seventy mark is, like
you said, Joe, it's it's will they pitch.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Will it get to the point where they pitched him
Barry Bonds. What people didn't realize is it didn't matter
who you put behind him. I could put you know,
pick a pick a player from my era. Pickt Ken
Griffy Junior, pick a Manny Ramirez, pick anyone you want
a big Poppy. If the game's on the line and
Big Poppy's hitting behind Bonds, guess what the visiting managers
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say it put it on, It doesn't matter. So I
think Aaron Judge is separating himself right now where if
he's locked in and swinging the bat good, it doesn't
matter who you hit behind him.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
You gotta you, gotta, you gotta go like this from
the visiting dugout.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
So let me ask, let me ask you this one
now that we're in twenty twenty five, who would you
say is the face of this and is the Major
League Baseball doing a good job of marketing these guys?
Because I think Aaron Judge should be everywhere on television
right now. I think you should be on Cereal boxes.
I think you should be social media. I think he
should be more famous than ninety percent of the NBA
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or NFL. And I feel like that is a name
that you're just not hearing enough. What does the league
have to do for that?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I agree?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I think the other major sports leagues do a better
job marketing their players, and baseball's got to get on
that page. You know, the show Hey O Tani phenomenon
in La is unbelievable. I mean and show we get
whatever he gets publicity wise, deserves every bit. Oh yeah,
he's once he starts pitching again, nobody's even comparable. So
(07:43):
right now, who are you taking. If you got one player, well,
I'm taking Aaron Judge. But if show he's pitching and
feeling good, he's a He's a front line starter.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
So you're getting two players for one.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
You've got a guy that's capable hitting fifty homers and
being an MVP and also capable of winning a cy young.
So it's really not fair to everybody else because we've
never seen him go in two ways that those are
the guys that need to be everywhere show. Hey, uh,
I think the young players of Paul Skins. You know,
he's kind of the face of baseball. Lad La Cruz
(08:18):
unbelievable talent. Skuy's the limit for him. He just quite
hasn't got to that superstar level from a numbers standpoint,
But if he ever gets there, he's a guy that
they're going to go to.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
There's there's a lot of guys out there that are
really good players.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
You know, Fernando Tatis, he had the slip up and
you know, he tainted his career a little bit when
he got suspended, but he's he's one of those guys.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
That could be the face of baseball. He's very charismatic.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
But I think you're right getting back to Judge, not
only what Judge does on and off the field, but
how he carries himself.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
He's charismatic at the same time, he's as professional as
they come. I think Derek Jeter, if if you were
to teach a class on on PR one on one,
I think Derek Jeter is the professor, and I think
Aaron Judges in the front row listening to what Derek
Jeter had to say, because you can't do it better
than Aaron is with with the level of star he is,
(09:13):
the way he carries himself and the way he answers questions.
Uh he epitomizes what I always said, there's no captains
of baseball.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
That's for hockey and soccer.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Uh he epitomizes what it means to be a captain
of a team. So all around, you know Aaron Judges
that he's the UH.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
He's the class president, he's the UH, he's the valedictorian,
he's the quarterback, he's the prom King. That's Aaron Judge.
He's that he's the perfect guy.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
If you could build and uh Ai for what's the
perfect ballplayer?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I think Aaron Judge fitzbel.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah, six seven, that size, he looks like a cartoon character.
He is unbelievable. He's also the closest I would say,
because I remember when I was watching baseball in my
college years and when you were playing during those days.
I'm remember he had like that similar as to what
Sammy Sosa had. You go to the ballpark, you can
hang out with your friends, and the minute Judge or
Sosa gets on the bet, everybody stops and they watch that.
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And when he hits a home run, they go nuts.
And if he strikes out, you go back to all right,
what are we doing for the fourth inning? What are
we drinking? What are we eating? But when that guy
gets up, he's box office. You gotta stop and you
gotta watch him.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, I think right now on the pitching side, Paul
Skeens is that way. It's like Paul Skeens is pitching
and even though he's playing in Pittsburgh where they're gonna
have another long season and pry finishing last place, when
Paul Skeens pitches, the presses stop and everybody stops and
turns on what they're watching to see what he's gonna do.
There's there's only certain players that can capture that element
in our society. You know, Michael Jordan was the original
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the Tiger Woods. And I'm not saying that that Judge
or Skeens are on the on the Jordan or Woods
platform just yet. I mean, that's pretty high bar, but
they're as close as it gets that we've got right now.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
In the game of baseball. And yeah, it's much.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
It's must I remember Bo Jackson was like that, Oh yeah,
bull Bow wasn't a star like these guys. I mean,
he didn't have the ridiculous numbers that these guys I've
mentioned have put up. But I'll tell you what it
was when he came to the play. It was much
watch TV because it's like, what freaky thing can is?
He might I miss if I don't watch this, you know?
(11:20):
And still you talk about Bow in his heyday and
the football what he was doing on the football side,
just running over people, and on the baseball side, yeah,
he made an All Star team, but he didn't have
those ridiculous numbers. He wasn't hitting forty fifty home runs
hitting three hundred. But the thing that stands out to
me about Bow the most, if you google this, watch
his first big league hit. It was a routine ground
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ball to second base and he beat it out on
the turf. And when you really watch it and then
you watch it again, it's almost inhuman how fast this
man was running past first base. So google that those
are That's That's what I'm talking about. Can't miss TV
because when you watch it and watch it and watch
it again, you say, I kind of never seen that before.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
And that's what Bo did.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
He's one of those guys where you just you had
to tune in because it was Bo and who knows
what he's gonna do, whether he's running up a wall
or making a throw or something inhuman.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Or stay rolling a couple of linebackers. Bow is interesting
because he's one of the few players that nobody ever
talks about the what if game. Usually athletes when they
don't meet their full potential and we don't see their
whole career. Derreck Rose in Chicago. There's so many others
that we could do the what if game, But I
think if Bo Jackson had not gotten hurt on that
football play, what could have been of that guy? Because,
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like you said, the amount of talent he had for
not just one sport and just the freak probably the
greatest athlete of all time. He could have done anything
he wanted to do and it ended shortly. What could
have been with Bo Jackson?
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Well, I think that's a lot has to do with
Bo Jackson the person. You know, he didn't clamor for that,
and he didn't go on interviews and talk about himself
and and and you know he did the commercials everywhere.
Well I'll tell you what, there there was a script
and there was a lot, there was a big check
at the end of So I'm just talking about on
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a personal level. Uh, Bo didn't crave that attention. You know,
Bo wasn't rocking the look at me type stuff that
we see in the modern day athlete. So I think
that's why it's it's the what if you know, when
you if you interview bow and I had him on
my podcast, uh probably eight ten months ago. He wants
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to talk about hunting, you know, he doesn't talk about it. Yeah,
he's a bow hunter. You know, you get the stories
out of him. But he's not a I'm bow nos,
you know, he's just kind of a living his life
and and uh but the guys that were there for us,
that watched it and saw it and were around adults
during that time watching him perform, Uh, we we know
(13:52):
what could have been if if that would that strange,
strange injury didn't happen to him.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Did you do?
Speaker 1 (13:59):
You have many personal stories of bow when he was playing.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Oh, I have an unbelievable story. I was in Uh
he got injured. He played with my dad in the
late nineties in Kansas City. Him and Dad were teammates,
so you know, I had met him. He was actually
really close to my youngest brother, Matthew, and so I
had met him ad passing. I was in college and
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you know, i'd visit Dad and Bo was his teammate
at the time. So I signed and I get the professor,
you know, pro ball, and I'm in Double A and
Bo had already had the injury and he was rehabbing.
They sent him down to Birmingham, Alabama. At the time
was the Chicago White Sox affiliate. I believe, yeah, I
think he was a White Socker.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
The Barons. So the Birmingham Barons right.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Right, So he was rehabbing in double A. And Bo
gets the first base and he looks over at me.
I'm playing second, and he kind of acknowledges me, Hey, Boone,
how you doing? You know, he knows that that's Bob
Boone's son at the time. And he looks at me
and kind of with a win can a smile and says, hey,
be careful trying to turn this double play.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I'm gonna come in pretty hard, you know. I had
a smile. Yeah, whatever, ball.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
And he gets picked off first base left handed, first
move and he freezes. He's about eight nine feet off
the bag. He doesn't even try to get back to
the back.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
He just stands there.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Now, normally it's a shortstop cover unless I can get
there first. So I'm the second basement. I get to
the bag because Bow's just kind of messing around. It's
like he's just messing with people. He takes off on
a full sprint. I'm standing at the bag. First baseman
throws me the ball ball at the times for like
thirty steps from me. I've got the ball at second base,
(15:44):
just sitting there waiting for him. Now, I figure we're
gonna get into a pickle, We're gonna get into a rundown.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
So I'm ready to go back and start running back
to first. He doesn't stop.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
He just keeps running at me, and I'm like, you know,
he gets to twenty feet away, and I going, what
is he doing?
Speaker 3 (16:01):
He's just gonna give me the out.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
He gets ten feet away and he's running like like
he's got a football and he's going he's going to
score a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
I mean he's not.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
He's going a hundred percent. Well, he's five feet away
from me. I got the ball, and I mean he's
in low fly mode. He's going full steam at five
feet Now. Everything's flashing through my mind, and I'm going,
does he know he can't run the second basement over?
That's not you know, at the time, you could run
the catcher over in baseball, that was fair game. But
(16:35):
I've never heard of somebody running over the second basement
with the exception Albert Bell.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
And that.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
I don't know what he's doing. So I'm starting to
get a little nervous.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
And this is obviously everything's going in a you know,
you know flash, but all these thoughts are going through
and he gets two steps away and he's still going
full steam. I kinda have to tag down by the
bag and I just flinch, like this mac truck's gonna
(17:08):
hit me. I'm I'm, I gotta prepare for collision.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Here. I kind of pull back. He stops on a
dime and puts his foot on the back and I
kind of.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Hesitate and tag him. Well, the umpire at the time,
there was no replay. You didn't have to put the
tag on the player back. Then umpire calls him out.
He's out by thirty feet. Of course, the ball beat him.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
The tag was down. He's out. But he was safe
because I finished everybody and everybody knew it.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
And Boat looks at me. He doesn't even argue. He
looks at me, winks and goes, quote, you know I
was safe, right, And I kind of looked at him
like he was a terminator. I'm like, I don't know
what just happened to him.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
And he ran off. He ran off the field smiling,
and the umpire he didn't know what to do, is
but yes, he you know. I go to the do
I got my teammates are like, did you tag him?
I said no, he was absolutely safe. But you know
he was out by thirty feet, so that's my boat days.
He's remarkable.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Man.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
I've never seen you know, I've never played in the NFL,
but I've never seen a mac truck. I've never been
scared on a baseball field. Put it that way.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Ever in my life have I been scared physically scared. Now,
I've been scared because my swing stinks and I don't
want to face the slighter and chase it.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
It embarrass myself.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
But I've never been physically scared on a baseball field ever,
and I was scared.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Now. You also played with Dion Sanders prime Time. Talk
about sometimes with him and also we got to get
to exactly what happened in this football drive of the sun.
But talk about what it's like because you played with
a guy who is that dynamic and that much of
an athlete too, and definitely one of the greatest football
players of all time. Definitely not I wouldn't put them baseball,
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but the freakish athlete that he was. We were able
to see the full potential. So talk about what it's
like to actually play with somebody of that caliber.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Well, he was definitely prime time in the clubhouse.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Uh, so I got to see you got to see
that up close and personal.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
We were you there were you there with the timmccarver
or we put the cooler on him.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
He was in Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
That's right, Okay, I thought I could remember.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Uh Dion and myself were teammates, I think a couple
of years in Cincinnati. It was definitely Cincinnati. I don't
know if it was one or two years or parts
of one year. He was actually my locker bate, so
I got to see primetime up close. It was entertaining. Actually,
fastest man I've ever seen on a on an athletic field,
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Deion Sanders. Once he got up and move it. So
if he hit one in the gap and he got
to around first base and he put the flaps down
and went into sprint mode, it's the fastest man I've
ever seen on a field. That's a be decent baseball player,
not the greatest, but when you're one of the greatest
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football players in the world and you're just playing Major
League baseball as a hobby, I don't know too many
people that could do that.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
So it props to him for that.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Very respectable and was a solid baseball player and obviously
one of the greatest. Like like you said, Dan, one
of the greatest football players. Definitely cornerbacks of all time,
defensive backs, whatever, We're gonna put him in a category
and an unbelievable marketer too, and he's still doing it.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
This draft. You mentioned the draft.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yes, funny to me because I'm not a football draft guy.
I don't watch, don't care, don't watch. It's not my genre.
Now I'm a guy I watch a game, you know,
especially we've got a couple bucks on it. I watch
a super Bowl like every other red blooded American. But
I'm not an NFL draft paint my face act like
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a lunatic runner.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Oh yeah, my team got this guy. Because I don't
really have a team, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I follow the Eagles off all the Seahawks a little bit,
but I really don't care. When I was a kid,
I followed the Niners. I was a Niner fan, but
I really don't care who the draft picks are. I
don't know who they are. But this was an intriguing
story for me, the shoulder Sanders thing, just because of
all the hype and everything going on in Colorado. He's
Player of the Year this year, where was he going
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to be picked? So I thought it was a human
interest story. I thought, oh, I'm going to tune in
and see where he's picked. You know, they're talking about
pick whatever, and then pick twenty one was a possibility
or pick twenty.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Then it gets to the second day.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
And everybody's kind of you know, I'm watching, I'm watching TV,
and I'm watching the you know, the analysts that do
this for a living, and I'm going, wow, they're kind
of spelled.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I don't know. I'm not an evaluator. I don't know
what talent is. You know, I go watch a baseball
draft and tell you if I put eyes on them.
But I don't know anything about the football and the nuances.
So I'm just suspectator. I'm just a fan, like, Oh,
when's it get Day three? I'm still watching. So I'm
sitting there thinking this is a conspiracy. They're trying to
get the guys that would never watch the draft to
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watch it, not only for the first pick, which you know,
the football fans are always watching day one, but by
day three I would assume the crowd dwindles. Oh no,
but you had guys like me watching on day three.
The ratings must have been through the roof.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
And when I say guys like me, I mean.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
The casual football fan that would normally never tune in
to Day three of the draft. I'm still watching. What
did I come away with? I came away with that
I didn't like the comparisons and I didn't like twitter. Oh,
Eli Manning did it, And it's different than no. You
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can't compare yourself to anybody now.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
A year ago. Who was the number one pick out
of USC the quarterback william Caleb Williams.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
He skipped the combine. You have to be very self
aware when you're an athlete or on how you're perceived,
what your level of talent is. Caleb Williams skipped the
combine and guess what, he still went one one. Eli
Manning said what he said before he went out there,
and he was still a first round pick. You've got
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to know who you are and be very self aware.
Just because Eli Manning did it, maybe the NFL doesn't
see you as an Eli Manning type talent. Maybe some
teams do, maybe some teams don't. So I think there
were some miscalculations done in his camp. That being said,
I also got sucked into watching Shiloh said there's on
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his twitch, and I really.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Ended up liking Shiloh. I'm like this guy. I don't
know if he's gonna make it in the NFL, but
but he's funny for me to watch, and I thought
it was a great big brother. I actually really liked
Shiloh and his personality that I got to see that
normally I would never get to see. Shadoor. I liked him.
I thought he's a good kid. He's People don't.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Need to realize we were all twenty one, twenty two,
twenty three.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
One day.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
If you were going to evaluate my life and my
decisions on when I was a twenty two year old
rookie in the big leagues and how I thought, things
I said, and the things I said and thought and
things I did, they weren't captured on Twitter and social
media like today. So you're living in a bubble. But
you still and I have a lot of grace for athletes,
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especially young athletes. You know, I cover and analyze in
Major League Baseball all the time, and when a twenty
two to twenty three, twenty four year old kid says
something stupid or makes a bad choice, I'm not the
first to just, oh, how dare you?
Speaker 3 (24:45):
You're a jerk? This, you're you're a child, You're a kid.
We were all kids.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
So I have a lot of grace for young people
in general because they don't know what's about to hit him.
You know, maybe life hasn't humbled you yet, but you
will get home. Believe me, I was far from humble
when I was twenty two years old. You go through
my career in the big laes, I've been humbled and
in life to now, I've been very humbled many times,
and a lot of us need that. But I'm very
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I'm not quick to judge people. I always want to
give them a chance, especially when they're young, because I'll
guarantee all of us will look back when we're twenty two,
and then when we're thirty two, we'll look at that
twenty two year old go shake our heads.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
And say, man, that guy had a lot to learn. Yeah,
and I think one day, Shador, we'll look back go,
you know what, Maybe I should have handled that all differently.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Maybe I could have handled it all differently. Things would
have gone a little bit different. It cost them some
money in the short term.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Forty million dollars is what.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Here's the deal.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
And I know it's apples to oranges Baseball draft and
NFL Draft and the money.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
But I remember coming.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Out of college and I was projected to go like
twenty six in the country and I went to the
fifth round.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
I was first pick in the fifth round.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
And you know this wasn't all on TV and social media,
but I remember talking to my dad like, are you
are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Dad?
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I got in the fifth round. You tell them not
to come in here and offer me fifth round money.
I'm way better. I should have been a first round pick.
And my dad was looking at this twenty year old kid, going, well,
you want me to call Major League Baseball and have
him redo the draft and see if.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
It comes out knocking me.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
And I'm going, you're on my side. That's me being
a kid and not knowing. And my dad said to me,
here's the first lesson in life, Bret. Life ain't fair.
Life ain't fair. He said, So what are you going
to do about it? And he said, if I were you,
I'd get the best signing bonus I could and I'd
get my butt to wherever they assigned me to go.
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So next year, you can start your first full season
in Double A, and you can get to the big
leagues a year earlier. I wouldn't sit here and hold
out and waste your summer, he said, I'd get out,
get the best money I can get right now. It's
not going to matter in the long round, he said,
you if you stink and you're not good enough, you're
gonna have to get a job anyway. So but if
you're good enough and you get out and you play
right now, you're going to be the big leagues where
the real money is quicker. And I took that advice
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best thing I ever. I got the big leagues in
a year and a half. And he was right. But
at the time you couldn't tell me, Hey, I was wrong.
I was a fifth round I should have been a
first round pick. And when it's all said and done,
it really doesn't matter. Well, the money now in the NFL, yeah,
short term it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
That's a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
But the kids nowadays are coming from nil money, so
they know what money is before they Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
And he knows what money is before nil and just
living in that, just living that lifestyle.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
But the bottom line is it's done and over. I
thought he I thought his post.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
He wasn't bitching and moaning once he got picked in
the fifth round.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
He I didn't see him. I saw him with a
smile on his face, still flashing the jewelry and all
that stuff, which that's not what I would do. But
I didn't see him as an angry, bitter person. He
was just kind of smiling, like, Yeah, what am I
gonna do? I'm a Cleveland Brown, So I would say
at this point, it's like, all right, what's done is done.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
It's over. You're not going to redo it.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yes, maybe you'll look back one day and said I
would have handled it differently, but the bottom line is
go show him now.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
You know.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
I remember putting a big old chip on my back,
say I'm going to prove to these guys they made
a bad decision taking me in the fifth round, and
I kind of carried that with me. It wasn't something
publicly I shared with a lot of people, but I
kept it right here, and I think at the end
it probably helped me a little bit.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
So it's all about what you do. Now. Everybody can
speculate he's that good, He's not that good.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
He got screwed. People were put off by this that whatever,
it's over with. Now it's time to go play. Go
play with the big boys, and prove that you can
play at the NFL level and thrive at the NFL level.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
So that's my.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Long, short version of what I thought about the draft.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Before we get into the arguments, which is what everybody
comes here for, let me ask you one quick question.
You played during a time where technology and nutrition, weight
training was just kind of getting there. All these baseball players,
every athlete right now has unlimited access to just about
everything in the world, supplements and all that kind of stuff. Right,
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Who would Red Moon be if he had all that
access when you played? And how do you think you
would play if you were in the league right now? Well,
not not in your age, but I mean coming into
it right now.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Oh, it's simple to go back.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
What if you know my career, I sum it up
in two careers, the first half and the second half.
First half, I was a kid on fire, had a
chip on my shoulder. I wanted to prove that I belonged,
had some good years, had some tough years. Second half
of my career I started to take it. I kind
of had an epiphany one day and I said, you know,
I'm just sick of kind of going out there blind
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with the ability that I was given, God given. I
want to take it to another level. I want to
get in the best shape I can. I want to
eat perfect, I want to train. I did that.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
I got to Seattle.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
I got with Edgar Martinez, one of the one of
the best right handed hitters that I've been watching for
about ten years. When I first got to the big leagues,
Edgar was on my team. I didn't take that opportunity
to pick his brain, really picked his brain, and the
second half of my career, I really came up with
a plan and a strategy, an off season plan, an
off season strategy, and then I came up with a
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game plan, and not at one hundred and sixty two,
but at bat to at bat. I had a plan
that we played out every single day, every before every
at bat, and I put that into action, and I
became a completely different player because I had an approach,
whereas in past years I would just out there chicken
with my head cut off, swinging hard and hoping for
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the best. And all of a sudden, I kind of
had a moment where now I'm gonna prepare my body
as good as I can, and I'm gonna prepare my
approach is going to be as good as it can
be for me to give me the best opportunity to
be successful over one hundred and sixty games. So if
I would have had that mindset in today's society as
a young kid, I probably would have had a better half.
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The first half of my career would have probably been
more illustrious. That being said, you can't go back there.
I'm envious a lot of things in today's game. I'm
not envious of. I don't like the game as much
as I did when I was playing, or my father
was playing, or when my grandfather was playing. I still
love baseball. It's been my whole life. And I'm not
one of those guys it's better when I played. No,
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it's different when I played. And it took me a
few years of this modern day game for me to
really get through on this side of the microphone. When
I'm going to do this and analyze for a living.
It was like, hey, I've got to let go of
when we played. When I played, we did it this way,
and this is the right way. It's like, this is
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not my game anymore. I'm not an active player, I'm
an ex player. This is their game, not my game.
I remember when ex players would come into the clubhouse
and act appropriately, ton of respect for them, But the
guys that came in and act like it was their
game still, that left a bad taste in my mouth.
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So I never wanted to be that guy. So I
respect the hell out of the players today. It's different,
but it's not my game. It's their game. History will
judge each in one of our generations of play, so
who am I to do that. I'm envious of the
players today what they have at their disposal, the data,
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the video at your fingertips at all times. I would
be in hog heaven that I could roll into a
city have a four game set. I've got a tablet
or my computer has every bad I've had against all
four starting pitchers. I've got all their bullpen. Not only
my at bats against the guys in the bullpen, but
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but this bullpen the last week, every outing they've come in.
I can watch players on other teams that I consider
to be like myself. How did they pitch them that?
Probably that's how I'm going to be pitched. So part
of me is very envious of today's player. And like
you said, it's starting at minor leg I mean I remember,
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you know, my son was in the minor leagues as
of a year ago, and I hear these minor leaguers
complaining about, Oh, we're not getting paid enough and this
and that.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I look at my son and go, what the hell
do you add to the bottom line?
Speaker 2 (33:14):
You know what they're paying you. You have an opportunity.
That's what we are. That's all we can all ask.
I remember being in double A making nine hundred dollars
a month and I had I was on my own
to get my own housing. And I didn't care because
we went to the Piccadilly every day. We got a
good deal for like a buck ninety nine. This is now,
this is nineteen ninety buck ninety nine all you can
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eat for lunch. I'm sleeping on a couch half the time,
paying a couple hundred bucks in rent, doing my laundry
at the ballpark. And I was happy as could be
because I knew, I'm just gonna play good. I'm gonna
get the hell out of here. I'm gonna go to
the next level. And the next level, and it wasn't
about that, but that's it's a different time. The society
now is all about, hey, you get yours, Well, no,
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you earn yours and then we'll get you. Believe me,
you earn it and you grind it out. In the
minor leagues, the reward at the top level.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
If you haven't seen the sports salaries nowadays.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
They're pretty good. So you know, the minor leagues, they
have everything at their supposal.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
In the minor leagues.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
I mean, the minor league complexes are as nice as
the big league complexes when I got to the big leagus.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Now the minor leagues are like that.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
They got two lockers, they got six massuses, and state
of the art, you know. They got cold pools and jacuzzi's.
We had like one tub that had an engine that
you had to start it would twirl.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
The bubbles were.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
But no, I'm not jealous of it.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
I'm envious of it because it's like, Wow, what these
guys have today is really cool, and you hope they
take advantage of it and appreciate what they have, and
most guys do.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
They really do. So that's my take.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
What kind of player I think if I could go back, Yeah,
I think the first half of my career, you would
have seen a difference if I took it for more
of a scientific and more.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Of a uh.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
A thinking man's hitter versus a just give me a bat.
That's what I always was, give me a bat, let's go.
And and when I really started to break it down
and take each hit bat the same and not you know,
control my emotions and be level headed instead of you know,
don't get high, don't get too low. Anybody can do handspring, handstands,
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backflips and crank the music high. When you just got
four hits and you just won six of seven, I
want to see how you behave when you went zero
for four, you punched out twice, you made an error
to lose the game, and your team sticks. I don't
want to see you sucking your thumb in the corner.
So there's there's a you know, I always said that
I'd always give it this line, I go, this is
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how we behave. That's where the professionals behave. Yeah, if
you're doing great, I'm not saying don't have fun. Turn
the music up, but I don't want you see in
the doldrums when things aren't going good. There's got to
be some semblance there in the middle.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Evs Arens far.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Far Dad, we really went over your twenty five minutes.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
We may have got a little over than twenty five minutes,
but we got to get a couple arguments in there.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
I'm long winded today. Joe's boney talks.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
For him moonor I love it at all. I love
you coming on, and I love you being with us,
and I'm just glad that we get to have you on.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
And I'm giving you your money's worthing they're.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Giving me my money's worth it. It is much appreciated.
As we go to the best portion of this podcast,
the arguments. It is here where we ask you very
silly questions. There are no real answers, and if we get
a good argument out of it, we just might go viral.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
All right, So the best part of the podcast that
remains to be seen, I'll let you.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
I was gonna say that might be the next podcast,
but we'll go from there. We'll go for there, all right.
So here's what I'm gonna throw it you out. Seventh
game of the World Series, Bottom of the night in inning
two outs. Who do you want to see in the
and who do you want to see in the battery box?
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Okay, seventh game of the World series.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Yep, it all comes down to the last out.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
So is this for my viewing pleasure? Or do I
have a dog in the fun.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Not a viewing pleasure? If you're gonna go, who do
I want to see?
Speaker 3 (37:15):
You gotta go out there?
Speaker 2 (37:16):
I gotta go. I'd love to see. I want to
see it well obvious. I want to see a Randy
Johnson Barry Bonds matchup.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
That would be awesome.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Tony do we need a knock? Just we need a
base hit?
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Tony Gwinn'd be a fun one too, the Randy Johnson
Tony Gwynn one h or or or if we can
live in a different world, how about show hey pitching
versus show a hit?
Speaker 1 (37:49):
That would be awesome? That would be awesome?
Speaker 3 (37:53):
About bow versus Dia.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
If one of those is pinching, I'm watching that one too.
I think I really still want to see Roger Clemens
against an Aaron Judge. I want to see what a
Roger Clemens could do with this day and age and
a guy that goes or even a Kirby Bucket as
that hitter. I would I would go either one, but
I still want to see Roger Clemens at the mound.
That guy. Every time I saw him play, I was like,
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this is gonna be a really good game.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
I'll take a Maddox Manny Rivera.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
I was gonna say Maddox and Bonds.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
I'll think of Maddox Bonds. Uh.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
The only thing about it is when Barry was in
his heyday as great as Maddox is. And I think
Maddox is the greatest pitcher I've ever seen, soup to nuts, full,
full career. Not the nastiest, but the best, the most technical,
the most efficient. I've never seen anyone better than Barry Bonds.
Stuff wise, Randy's about as good as it gets. So
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the only my only challenge would be I think it
would be more of a challenge, not only because it's
it's Randy bit, it's because it's lefty on lefty, so
it's going to be a little harder for me. And
I think Barry has a slight well, you never have
an edge as a hitter, never got the bat. The
best in the world get on base. You know, it's
the most overrated term, but thirty percent of the time,
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and you're all of trainor.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
So you never have an advantage.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
But I think even more of a disadvantage would be
Randy because it's left un left.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
What about Nolan Ryan? How scary was Nolan? How scary
was Nolan?
Speaker 3 (39:27):
But you know, to make it fair though, you can't
put Barrier Tony Gwyn up there because they're left handed,
So I got to make it tougher. So name some
of the great right handatters. So yeah, nowadays, let's put
Aaron Judge against Nolan. Now, that's cool, that's for the ages.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
You know, that's one for the ages because that's a
guy that played in the sixties versus a guy that's
playing in twenty twenty five. And Nolan, with his velocity
and his skill set was was a little ahead of
his time. So it'd be cool to see Nolan Aaron.
I think Nolan Judge, Randy Bonds or two of my
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favorite that I've heard so far.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
I would say I would also like to see how
Pete Rose would do in every different generation of baseball,
because when you've seen that guy breakdown, how he hit,
if he was in a slump, he would just go
in different sides of the boxes. He had all kinds
of different kinds of ways of trying to get himself
back in that batter's box, and he was the greatest,
probably one of the greatest hitters of all time.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Yeah, but Dan also, you know who i'd want to see.
I want to see some of that we'd ever hear about.
I want to see Babe Ruth hit because baby, like,
he's like a He's like a cartoon character, right, Yeah,
he didn't really exist. He's like mythical, mythical Daniel Boone,
I've heard of that guy. He's a myth you know.
So I want to see like a Honus Wagner hit.
I want to see.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Honus Wagner, Ty Cobb. Yeah, I want to see Ty
Cobb out there. I don't want to see these guys
I've already seen.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Give you one inning of shoeless Joe Jackson, I've only heard,
I've only.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Heard, hey exactly, I want to see, Yeah, I want
to see that.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
I want to see that things that I've never seen before.
And really, you see that grainy old video of Babe
taking hacks.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
But I want to see them in a game situation.
I want to be in the crowd.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Give me rank and sella field of dreams all day
with those guys. I'll watch the past time. And speaking
of the field of dreams, the next argument to you
would be the Mount Rushmore of the greatest sports movies
ever made? What are the four sports movies that you
think are the greatest movies that I've ever been made?
Speaker 3 (41:28):
All right, caveat. I hate baseball movies.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
They're there's not one that's like, Man, this was me
Bull Durham.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
I pay attention to detail, very much, to my detriment,
and it drives me crazy. Hollywood producers have no clue
what it's really all right, that'd be I will go
four because it's the most realistic depiction of baseball I've
ever seen. Is Bull Durham. Nice Bull Durham. Except for
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one thing that bugged me. It's pretty much how it
is in the minor leagues. You living paycheck to paycheck,
you're looking for a free meal, you're living on couches,
You're you've got the guys. I remember the guys in
the bullpen taking the spell off their bats because they're
in a slump. I played, you know, the Durham Bull
that was real. I played in that stadium awesome. Did
(42:21):
you did you hit the free steak?
Speaker 3 (42:23):
I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
But I think the only thing that was wrong about
that is remember when they pulled into I forget what
stadium they were, and they said, hey, we're going to
get a rain out tomorrow, and they went and they
flooded the Yeah, impossible because in the minor leagues, you
will never get to a city the night before because
they'll have to pay for a hotel. You always get
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up at four in the morning, get there the next day.
So that's a little footnote for you. I could put
it three, but it's four. What's the one with moneyball?
Me not because of the baseball. I think some of
it was true. Some of it was a little movied up.
(43:07):
But I think it was just a quality movie. I
was entertained by it and I was living in that
Plus my name was on the chalkboard.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
If you look, I did notice that. I have noticed that.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
So I always liked that when they give a shout out,
because that was that was my time in the early
two thousands, and we had a really kind of big rivalry.
The American League West was the class of baseball, and
that Oakland A's T's was team was tremendous, and the
Anaheim Angels who won the World Series in two thousand
and two, and my Mariners. That was a great division.
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So I remember those times vividly. There was some of
the best years of my career, some of the funnest times,
and the best teammates I've ever had.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
So I remember that so that I'm gonna put that
at three just for the sheer movie enjoyable because it
was realistic.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Oh and the other two are simple because they're harmless.
They're fun. Bad News Bears and Breaking Training.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Yes, that is Bear, that's a that's a that's a throwback.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
Nice but that was like in today's version would have
been Bad News Bears two in Breaking Trainings too, and
the all time greatest is the original Bad News Bears.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
Those are classics. Joey, if you had four in your mouth,
rushmore which ones are on yours?
Speaker 3 (44:22):
See?
Speaker 4 (44:22):
I'm not I'm not going just straight baseball movies, but
Major League for sheer entertainment value, comedy absolutely has to
be on there. Slap Shot with the Hands.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
Brothers good, yeah, up to baseball, but slap Shot is
a classic.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
I do love a miracle.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
I'm a big hockey guy nineteen eighties, So that's that's
a great one. And then I'm wearing my uh, nineteen
eighties Caddy Shack hat.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
You know, we're in the uh what is this here?
Speaker 1 (44:55):
The Bushwood Championship hat.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
So it's got to be number one. So Caddyshack qualifies
as a sports movie.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Oh yeah, it's a golf movie.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Well see, I'm a fan of all four. You just mentioned. Sure,
huge slapshot man and a huge Caddyshack man.
Speaker 4 (45:12):
See. The one I could have put on there that
I didn't was The Sandlot. Loved that movie as a kid.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
Why not everybody loves The Sandlot. I don't see it.
It didn't all come on.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
It's just a good old fashioned kids good it's a
coming of age kids movies.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
When I get it, I'm in the minority, I get it.
I get hey all the time.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
I remember watching that. I was in a neighborhood that
was being developed, and we legitimately went out to a
plot of land and made our own baseball diamond and
dug it out with with the with shovels and took
the weeds out and made our own baseball field. Kind
of like that were inspired as kids to do it,
and it's still one of my favorites. I could watch
it at anytime.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
We did a garage ball when I was growing up,
and all it took for was my brother to smash
one window across the street and we never played baseball again.
That was the end of my baseball career. One window
smash and we all had pay for That was it.
My four. If we're gonna go the greatest sports movies
of all time, number one on that list is always
gonna be Rudy. I can watch Rudy anytime, anytime.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
One of my favorites.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
I also for number two. Give me Happy Gilmore. That
is one of my favorite golf movies of all time.
It's just an entertaining watch.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Dan enjoy it. It can't be a Mount Rushmore. But
that's that's the argument. That's the argument. How could you not?
How could you not put Avy Gilmore up there?
Speaker 3 (46:33):
It's too slapsticky. You can't compare Happy Gilmore to.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
Rude, but I can.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
You can't throw. You can't throw one of the all
type classic slapshot against Happy but different different levels of class.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
Look, it's sports with a little bit of humor. Twist
and a love story which an apollo creed is in there,
which actually gets to my next one would be Rocky four,
my favorite Rocky out of all of them.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
I'm not gonna argue with the Rockies. I'm a huge fan,
huge slide fan.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
And the last one of my favorite sports movies of
all time will be The Program. Oh I forgot about it,
man Zel, No, that's the title. That's Titans. The program
is with what's the name college football?
Speaker 4 (47:17):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (47:18):
James Wood? No, it's what's his name? The guy from
the Godfather and the dad from James Cohn, James con
James Cohn, and then just the entire everything about college
football and Latimer all steroid it up, and the running
back who is also going through everything, and the quarterback
that is just my favorite one.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
Pretty good, all right. But the happy Gilmour slap slapshot.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
That's like the Beatles against Million Vanilla, just two different.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
You know, you can enjoy it. You can enjoy both. That,
my friend, But let's not put him in the same vein.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Oh not only is in the same vein, it's the
same rock, buddy, It's the same rock, all right. And
because we love you I'm gonna get onto the last one,
and this one would be our chat GVT argument of
the day. I ran it through Chad GBT and Moon
this one, I don't think anybody will ever ask you,
and you're gonna enjoy this one. Would you rather fight
(48:17):
one Randy Johnson sized duck or a hundred duck sized
Randy Johnson's still my favorite question of all time.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
I'm gonna go with one Randy size?
Speaker 3 (48:40):
Correct? Correct?
Speaker 1 (48:41):
I say that right one Randy so is a duck
that is six foot ten. You would rather dig on
that duck than a couple of one and a half
foot Randy Johnson's.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
Absolutely, because a famous, some famous guy once said in
some piece of art, smash their knee, the biggest boys
go down. I saw the movie recently. I forget what
it was. You smash their knee, and I don't care
how big they are. So I'm gonna go for the
duck's knee and try to take them out.
Speaker 3 (49:10):
I don't eat a bunch of Randy Johnson's ducks just
pecking at me.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Oh, you gotta understand they made me duck size? What
that hand is?
Speaker 4 (49:20):
Still?
Speaker 1 (49:20):
For one hundred miles an hour?
Speaker 3 (49:22):
Yeah, that's true. But I got a bat. I got
a bat. I still got some batspeeed.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
I can see you golf clubing those guys away. I
wouldn't pay to watch you golf club.
Speaker 4 (49:31):
Then I'm just envisioning the chicken with Peter Griffin from
the Family Guy with us.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
Through the streets. So, Joe, would you rather take on
the six foot ten duck or a couple of two
foot Randy Johns or one hundred? I'm going with the.
Speaker 4 (49:49):
Hundred foot or I'm going with the hundred little Randy Johnson's.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
Okay, what is that?
Speaker 4 (49:55):
Well, because I'm not quite six feet, I'm close. And
what was Randy six plus six ten?
Speaker 3 (50:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (50:03):
Six ten?
Speaker 2 (50:05):
Come on, Joe, six tennis six that's seven miles.
Speaker 4 (50:11):
I think I'd have a better shot with all the
with all the little Randy Johnson's, I can kick him
away or something, but one giant Randy Johnson's.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
You ever played eleven duck? You ever put your head
in to bee hive?
Speaker 1 (50:25):
I will actually one, I actually boot, I will agree
with you. You can give you that six foot ten duck
because all you got to do is feed that guy
and he'll leave me alone. You got about one hundred
little little Randy Johnson's walking around with one hundred miles
an hour fists. I want no part of that. Even
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if I had a baseball batter or golf club, there's
one hundred of those guys coming. It's like that, uh,
Jurassic Park, when those little Kombe dinosaurs start eating the guy.
They're like tiny, but with one hundred of them kind
of come on you. I can't take that.
Speaker 3 (50:59):
They don't holdeth I don't like either scenario. And by
the way, and I know that's the premise dumbest question
I've ever been asked as now I take into consideration
not in the most serious of vein.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
Yes, well, it's the only time I've ever busted you
to laugh, and that my friend, was worth every moment
of that question.
Speaker 3 (51:20):
By the way, that's absurd.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
I have never gotten bread to laugh. But I want
to thank Brett Moon for jumping on the podcast coming
on to barguments. He is Brett Moon. You can listen
to his podcast, The Brett Moon Podcast, which is amazing.
It is a long form podcast all the greatest guests.
He also has another one with Rich Herrera. What does
that want to call it? Again?
Speaker 3 (51:38):
The Ernick two turn into a Booney.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
That one is a really good So if you're subscribing
to podcast and you're listening to this one, Brett has
the greatest baseball players, even people that aren't even in baseball,
some of the greatest athletes and actors. That is a
really good podcast. Boon, Thanks for jumping on with us.
This is Arguments. I'm Dan Levy, he is Joe Filippo.
Don't forget you can subscribe. This is gonna be on
YouTube as well. I also on Monday nights jump on
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WGN Radio. We do a food fight with John Landecker,
so jump on that. I'll have that link in the
notes as well. At every Friday in Indianapolis, I jump
on on WIBC with a Hammer and Nigel Show. We
do a argument every week there as well, so you
can catch up with anything argument that goes on from there.
So once again for Joe Filippo, Brett Boone. My name
is Dan Levy, this is Arguments. We'll talk to you
(52:24):
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