May 30, 2025 • 40 mins
In this episode of Barguments, Dan Levy and Joe Kelly welcome lawyer-by-day, comedian-by-night Joe Lauer to the debate stage! From outrageous courtroom stories to the fine line between legal drama and stand-up comedy, we dive into the hilarious overlap between law and laughs. Plus, we argue over the Mount Rushmore of movie lawyers, Elle Woods vs. Saul Goodman, and what should be illegal but somehow isn’t. It's legal, it's funny, it's chaotic—just the way we like it. Court is now in session!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Arguments is recorded in front of a live studio audience.
What's up, everybody? Welcome, man, ladies, and gentlemen to another
thrilling edition of Arguments once again. I am your host,
Dan Levy with me and my co host Joe Philippo.
What up, Joe? What's up there? Joe? All right, I'd
like to do background. You got to teach me how
(00:21):
to make a home studio look like that. Even though
I spend thousands of dollars in here, yours looks better now. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I charged one hundred bucks an hour if your mind,
but for you, I'll make ninety five.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Well. In order to get this all written up and
sinched up and agreed upon legally, we're going to bring
in a lawyer also turned comedian. He is Joe Loward. Joe,
thanks for joining us, man, I appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yeah, guys, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
All right, So, Joe, just a quick little biography on you, buddy.
You are You are a college basketball player.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
I played one year at college ball and that was enough.
You know, the NBA scouts weren't calling, so I decided
to switch careers and try something else.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I believe in the sports term anology that would be
a pivot. So what what college did you go to?
Where did you play? What position?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
I played one year at Benedictine University. It's a Division
III college, so you know, I did just enough to
tell my friends I played college hoops and uh, I'm fining.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Well, yeah, what position did you play? Left out?
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Yeah. I didn't get a lot of playing time, but
I was a point guard in college. But I didn't
like because I really couldn't dribble. I like to shoot. Well.
By the time, you know, you get to college, everybody
six five six', six SO i was only six foot.
One they made me a point. Guard SO i.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Struggled now were you were you? Recruited was this like
a walk on? Thing there was a scholarship tackle on.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
This you, KNOW i got an academic. SCHOLARSHIP i don't
know if A DIVISION iii school can make an athletic scholarship.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Offer, NO i don't think they.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Can, Yeah i'm not sure if they. Can but you,
KNOW i went to a few open gyms there during the.
SUMMER i met with the coach AND i basically walked
on AND i was on THE jv, team got it for.
Varsity but there was still a lot of, work a
lot of, traveling morning, practices game. FILMS i mean it was.
(02:28):
Exhausting and THEN i lived in the, dorms so you,
know if you got a five am practice and everybody
in the dorms is up till two three in the,
morning are, IN i mean you weren't, sleeping you. Know
so that whole first year of college was just an
absolute days for.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Me so was. Mine oh my.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Gosh and then at the end of the year it
was a private. School you got the bill and the.
Mail you're, like oh, MY i gotta pay for. This
this is. Ridiculous and, YEAH i told my dad that
THE nba did not send me any. Letters he, said
pack your. Stuff you're going to state. School and that was.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
It and then you went to a state school to
become a. Lawyer which state school did you go?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
TO i transferred TO Uic and what year was, that, oh,
man ninety, nine two.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Thousand, okay that was right around With joey AND i
were going to. COLLEGE i used to live around U,
see SO i know the area pretty. Well my brother
was a president of a fraternity AT, uic SO i
spent a lot of time hanging out over, there SO
i can only imagine that nice shut eye was not
in the cards AT uice. Either that is a for
(03:30):
those not In, chicago that is a school smack dab
right in the heart of the city Of.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Chicago, yeah you get access to all the best, restaurants, clubs.
Bars so you, know three years, there got the bachelor's
and THEN i studied law At John marshall which is
NOW Uic Law. School got the law degree in seven
And i've been a practicing attorney FOR i think it'll
(03:55):
be eighteen years this.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Year so you go on to become a, lawyer and
then you wrote a look Called, Basketball, Beatings boners and
The American, dream which is pretty much the theme of
my life as.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Well, yeah it was an. Autobiography is that when you
write a book about yourself or BIOGRAPHY i.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Have i'm going to tell you you're the lawyer you
should be at.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Operation but it was just a, quick maybe seventy eighty
page book kind of documented my life up to that present,
time you, know told from from my point of. View
but as you, KNOW i was written as a. Comedy
we sold about eighty copies. ONLINE i was selling them
for three bucks a. Pop you, know just kind of
(04:38):
testing the. Waters wanted to get the book out there
see how the family and friends felt about my sense of,
humor WHICH i describe as crude and r. Rated AND
i got some good. Feedback so AFTER i wrote the,
BOOK i, said you know, What i'm going to venture
off and try to, do you, know do stand up
and present these stories to an audience at comedy, glubs
(05:00):
bars and. Parishes and you, know here we are eight years.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Later what age, point, like is it from like twenty
to thirty? At, like what is the timeframe of what
point of your life that you're writing?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
About?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
There that book was written from my uh probably like
eighth grade through just after getting married and moving to the. Suburbs,
interesting and that was a wild transition for, me, guys
BECAUSE i grew up on The southwest side Of, chicago
(05:36):
which is blue collar you, know strap you, know strap
up your, boots get to, work. Party and THEN i
come out To New lenox and it's, like you, know
you got to pick it, Fence i'm caught in the.
GRASS i got two, kids and you just look in
the mirror, like, man where the hell did it all go?
Wrong all?
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Right so if we're keeping. Score here you went from
The south side Of chicago, kid basketball, player lawyer and
now the full pivot to the suburbs and going into
comedy right if.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Hours it travel sports this.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Weekend so wait before we even continue onto that. Path
as you were going along in, life were you always
kind of like comedy is SOMETHING i want to do
at some? Point or was writing that book kind of, like,
hey that was fun that was. Funny MAYBE i should
dabble in this as. Well.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
WELL i wrote the book, because to be honest with you,
GUYS i have stage, freight AND i always thought it
would be easier to write the, book sell it and
just make people laugh that. Way but you, know we
sold a couple of. Copies after about six, months sales
kind of burnt, out AND i, said you know, WHAT
i just got to suck it, up get on, stage
(06:49):
even Though i'm, nervous and tell the jokes and see what,
happens because that, way you, know you can see people,
laughing and you, know if you're funny or, not how
is that? Person it fizzled, out you, KNOW i made
a plan to get on stage and tell jokes and
see IF i could do, it and IF i was,
funny or IF i was just that guy that was
funny at like social, events family parties and you know
(07:11):
what have? You that?
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Is that is a deep toe into a deep part of.
Water to figure that part out Before joe asks this,
question were you writing comedy or were you testing it
out on people or were you, Like i'm just going
to write a set And i'm going to go up
there and no one's going to see me do, this
and then do.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
It, well my brother got married in and it maybe
eight or nine years, ago and he, said, hey would
you be my best? Man and by the, way everyone's
expecting you to be somewhat funny when you give this
best man. Speech And i'm, like, jeez there's gonna be
three hundred and fifty people. There wow in my sense of,
HUMOR i, mean this thing could go south. Fast you
(07:51):
don't want or one of the laws and ruin this
kid's whole.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Wedding no, Drinking no drinking before the, Speech.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Well you had to. DRINK i you, KNOW i didn't
like getting up in front of. People so you, know
a couple of, vodka seven, ups two old, fashions AND
i had written about five rough drafts before AND i
ran by my. MOM i, Said, mack CAN i say this?
Stuff she, goes absolutely. Not people are going to walk.
Out SO i wanted it down, somewhat BUT i still
(08:20):
wanted to, be you, know true to. Myself IT'S i
want to Be Joe lauer up, there not some you know.
THIS i got to be. Myself SO i told the
jokes and it went really. WELL i posted that video
on My instagram And facebook, page and that was my
first time doing stand. Up it was at six seven minutes,
(08:42):
set three hundred and fifty people had about seven a
drinks in. Me, Whoa and you know that was what
kind of catapulted me to get up on a stage
at a comedy.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Club are you still maintaining that kind of beverage number
before you hit a.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Stage i'll tell you, now IF i drink like, THAT
i fall.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
ASLEEP i was gonna say my. FORTIES i don't know
IF i could do that.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Either i'll get up, there maybe have a nitro brew
or some coffee and then bring a water on. Stage
So i'm not. Parched because when you do these comedy,
clubs usually you'll get two Shows friday at eight and
ten And saturday at eight and, ten and you, know
during the, WEEK i go to bed at nine, o'clock
so at ten o'clock, show that's really pushing. It so
(09:26):
IF i were to, DRINK i would just be sleeping
in the green. Room you, know that's a young guys.
Game SO i either have a coffee and espresso shot
or you, know just something to keep me. Stimulated BUT
i really can't drink anymore at these. Shows it'll be
a disaster now.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
THAT i definitely understand because the Older i've. GOTTEN i
have a ten year old, kid AND i got a
wife as, well and, man whatever like eight o'clock, COMES
i am struggling to keep. Eyes were trying to watch
A tv show, together AND i can almost set my
watch to What i'm going to pass.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Out and here's the other. THING a lot of these,
comics they're, younger and you know that's their only. JOB
i work sixty hours a week as an, attorney you,
know sometimes, more and THEN i get on the stage
On friday And. Saturday usually by that Time i'm. Exhausted
and that's kind of why my comedy now is almost like,
man people tell, me you feel like you're just up
there bitching for an. Hour Man i've been at the
(10:18):
office sixty five hours a. WEEK i, mean what do
you want me to?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Do you, KNOW i was gonna, say have you ever
had like an audience go debt or how? Cooling you
just started almost like going in on them like a cross,
examination like what is the money right?
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Now sometimes that's the. Problem you go into lawyer mode
and you're up, there you're lecturing or doing the direct
and it's, like, hey come back down to. Earth this
is a comedy. Show but sometimes that that switch just
flips in your head and you can't stop. It so
id chhows where people are, like, hey, man you just
yelled at us for forty five. Minutes, like, man you
already paid for the. Tickets, Buddy i've been.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Breast it's a forty five minutes. Set when are you
getting the chance to write all the all the? Jokes
because if you're doing sixty eight hours a week and
you're doing that kind of, stuff and you're doing and
then all of a sudden you got to do a
special or you got to Do hey, man we're booking
here for a. THING i, mean at what point are
you stopping and going all, right it's time to write
out about another twenty thirty minute set.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Routine you, know my cell phone's always on, me so
if something happens And i'm, like you know, what that's
going to be a good, joke you just type it
into the cell phone store it, somewhere and after three,
Months i'll go through it and see WHAT i. Got
and then you just tweak it and, write, rewrite, write
rewrite until you think it's at a point where, Okay
(11:35):
i'm gonna try this on. Stage but, yeah it's just
as you go through. Life when something, happens you email,
yourself you jot it down on a, notepad and then
my routine, is after three, Months i'll go check to
see WHAT i, got and IF i have enough AND
i feel like it's, good you'll test it on the.
Stage IF i don't have, enough we'll take another three,
months keep right and see where we're.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
At that's something you learned going through like these comedy
shows and talking to other, comedians or is it just your?
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Routine every every comedian has their own. Routine you. Know
the WAY i do it, Is, joe If i'm going
through life and there's something that happens AND i step
back and, say what the fuck was THAT i know
that's my. Material, Okay so as soon AS i think
(12:26):
that or say, THAT i, said, okay let me get the,
pen paper of the phone, handy AND i jopped down
what happens. Next and that's kind of my style of,
comedy and people will. Relate you, know you're going through
life and you're, like what the and then. BOOM i
write it down and try to convert it into a.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Joke i've done stand up comedy one. TIME i want
to do it. Again i've been Got i've ad the
ed SINCE covid to get up there and do it.
Again i've written a lot of. Stuff BUT i took
a class In Second city with another buddy of my Named,
abe and we both did a second stand up comedy
class and it was. TOUGH i, mean it was a
really cool. Class they taught us how to the very first.
(13:02):
Class they we got to write a set where we all,
bombed so we got to feel what it was like
till but then you're telling some dumb jokes that everyone's laughing.
Anyway and then for the next six weeks we built
up a routine where we performed AND i actually if
those of you that are watching the podcast or listening
to this. PODCAST i will put that in the notes
as well as along With joe stuff as. Well BUT
(13:24):
i did it the one time he got, recorded AND
i will say it was only a six minute. Set
the first five MINUTES i had were really good with
the problem WAS i loaded the. Audience so it was my,
brother my, friends you, know PEOPLE i, knew and we
all loaded, it so everybody was extra. Cool it wasn't
LIKE i walked into a room of FACES i hadn't seen.
Before so that's where the next QUESTION i have for,
(13:45):
You the first time you got up in front of a?
Club did you do it on your? Own did you stack?
It or are you just LIKE i got to, See
i'm going to do this one. Time i'll tell my
wife about. It get up there and IF i like,
IT i like. It if, Not i'm kind of. Done
how did you kind of set yourself up?
Speaker 3 (13:59):
For, yeah the first TIME i did stand, UP i
went to an open mic At Riddle's Comedy club AND
i had my jokes written down AND i memorized them.
VERBATIM i got up. There they give you five minutes
to do your. Set at four there's a light that
blinks in the back to remind you that you have
one minute. LEFT i was so dialed IN i just
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blurted out WHATEVER i. MEMORIZED i was up there ten
minutes and you know the. Holes he's, like, dude everybody's
got to. Go what do you? Do AND i, said,
SIR i. APOLOGIZE i was in his. ZONE i JUST
i don't know what. Happened and it. Was it was.
Miserable no one. Laughed you, KNOW i ran the, light
so you, KNOW i went out to the bar, afterwards
(14:43):
And i'm just sitting. There i'm, like you know WHAT
i can at least tell People at this, POINT i.
Tried you, KNOW i did an open.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Mic that's. Huge that's that's like even the hardest, part
the first STEP i. Did i'm, there, man it is
like being in a crowd button eggid and just letting
be and just kind of get what people are thinking of.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
YOU i couldn't do, karaoke so there's no Way i'm
going up there to do an open.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Mic Night age race will change, that but go out
with the. Story need more than.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
That, no it was absolutely. Miserable AND i, said you know,
what because that's my personality is just to keep. Going
AND i just kept showing up At, riddle showing, up showing,
up showing. Up we booked a show there and sold
them about two hundred. Tickets the place holds two. Fifty
then clubs started calling me to perform on. WEEKENDS i
(15:32):
was getting, paid and you know the rest is. History
but you just got to get through that first or you, know, first,
second third time on, stage and then things start to.
Click and NOW i still get stage. Fright you, know
WHEN i get up on, stage in the back of my,
mind there's always that thought like they're just going to
(15:52):
stare at, me or none of these jokes are going to.
Hit and but it's like playing a. Sport why don't
you throw the first pitch or hit the first jump?
Shot you relax and then you just start to enjoy
it all.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Right so THEN i have a couple of questions THAT
i wanted to bounce all of you for this. One
what is more cutthroat a courtroom or a comedy?
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Club, WELL i mean the, courtroom some guys are looking
at serving time or losing millions of, Bucks SO i
think the odds are a little, higher you, know in
the in the shoff, world you, know you just go
have a drink and shake it. Off and you know
ticket sales are, finals so you're getting paid.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Regardless do you find that do you find that either
one LIKE i, said where do you find that you
being now a comedy guy or a comedian that it
helps you in the courtroom or does it hurt you
because is there a part where you're, Like i'm going
to say a joke and maybe That joe dig over very.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Well, Yeah, well you, know in court we can only
speak to. Facts you, know you talk about a car,
accident you explain how it. Happened in, comedy you know
the stage you can basically say whatever you. Want but
anytime you know you're doing stand up and you get
comfortable on stage and speaking in front of, people juris
can sense that if you're up there and you're sweating
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and you're, nervous and you, know the people in the
jury box, know hey, man he's not. Comfortable maybe he
doesn't know his case that. Well but doing stand, UP i,
mean there's no better practice for becoming confident in public
speaking than getting on a comedy stage and.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
PERFORMING i will say all the, times LIKE i, Said
i've done public. Speaking i've been in radio for over
twenty years, now which is, weird as somebody would say it.
Was And i've had no problems ever public. Speaking WHEN
i did say was nervous because you can see some,
people but that is a very bright light on, you
and it feels like you're just throwing jokes out into
(17:44):
the ether and hoping that it boomerangs back with. Laughter
but whenever it's been, Like i've done a couple of
Best man, speeches And i've always found the Best man
speeches to be easy on my end because whenever you're
doing The Best, man you're following the broad the, honor
and theirs is one hundred percent, sad, emotional. Edmental it's
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usually they're. Crying everyone, cries and it's a giant hug
and then they look at me And i'm, like first
and foremost everybody taking chug of whatever you're, drinking and
then that always sets the tone for Whatever i'm Gonna,
yeah find a level. Off So i've always found. That
but when it's comedy and it's your, jokes it's a
different kind of a. Feeling so public, SPEAKING i can
only imagine this being up there and rattling off and
(18:29):
dealing with that kind of audience, Jurors i've got to
just be a lot more enlightened with, you just because
you're a lot more comfortable now speaking into them, right and.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
In the jury. Too you got to remember they're. There
they got to take the day awful. Work they get
a check for like seventeen or eighteen. Dollars most of
them probably don't even want to be. There. No see
at the comedy, show you, know they're, paying they're, drinking
they're there to have a good. Time so it's just
two completely different.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Worlds what's the biggest myth people believe about lawyers that
would drive you? Crazy? Myth is there anything out there
when you Say i'm a lawyer and people say, like,
oh you must be an ambulance? Chaser you might, be you.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
KNOW i think that WHEN i tell People i'm a
lawyer and they don't know me LIKE i Know, joe
And joe knows my. Personality you, KNOW i love getting
the kids, together turkey, bowl telling, jokes hanging. OUT i
think that when you tell someone you're a, lawyer in
their head they automatically, think, oh this guy's up, tight he's.
Argumentative you, Know i'm just going to stay away and
(19:34):
you know that's not. True some of my, lawyers my,
FRIENDS i, mean they're just so easy going and you,
know good people to hang out. With but you, know
we have THIS i don't, know and Maybe i'm, off
but this stigma that we're just uptight and money hungry
and you, know no personality and not easy to get along.
(19:56):
With but with, me it's it's completely. Opposite you, KNOW
i can, ATTEST i do stand. UP i wrote a
book about. BONERS i, mean come, on and then too,
Sometimes SO i don't want that to be my. LAWYER
i want this absolute bit bull who's going to tear
people's faces off and do this and. That and you
know it's not like. That you, know the, courthouse we
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all have to get. Along you have to be, professional
AND i mean you just got to be good to, people, comedy,
law wherever you're. At just be a good guy and
things work.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Out have any of your clients found out that you're,
uh you do stand up on the, SIDE i tell
them you broadcast that to him or do you kind
of keep that on the hush hush to your?
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Clients, YEAH i don't tell them, that but a few
have come to. SHOWS i become friends with the, couple and,
uh you know even that they may say ought to
want a lawyer who does stand. UP i hope, though
that they're professional and mature enough to, say you know,
what he has a. Hobby he does comedy on the
side the laws his, job and everyone has things that
they enjoy to do side of, work so so hopefully
(21:03):
they can draw that that, distinction and, well it's it's the.
Same he's a comedian when he's in court and he's defending,
me because it's not you, Know i'm a different person
at the. Courthouse but a couple clients have come to.
Shows BUT i don't broadcast. It you, KNOW i don't
go to court with from try a case and say
here's a ticket to my next.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Show, WELL i, know as a you may win at
my comedy. Show.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Yeah, Yeah but but you know when they do, Say,
joe you're easy to talk. TO i can call you any.
Time you, KNOW i was in a terrible spot in
my life with this, accident and you kind of you,
know you coached me through. It you were there for,
me you, know you you made me. Laugh and they appreciate.
That AND i think if most of them found out
THAT i did stand. Up they wouldn't be surprised if you.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Do you, Ever, WELL i know you can't really talk
about the, cases but do you ever put any of
that into your, sets into your, Jokes you ever revert
back to anything that's specifically happen in a?
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Courtroom do you ever talk about that when you're?
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Writing, Well i'll tell you this show we got coming
Up may twenty, fifth it's all new. Material i'm going
to bring back a couple of, classics BUT i do
have a, joke not about specific, cases but just about
the law generally and how bizarre some of these laws
are In, Illinois and if you want to hear, those
you'll have to buy ticket show up on the twenty.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Fifth well for those that do not live in The
Illinois chicago, areas or any kind of a joke you
get to share with people to what the? Whistle if you?
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Will, Yeah so that Shows may twenty, Fifth Riddles Comedy
club In. Elsup the doors open at, five show starts at.
Six if you go to My facebook, page My instagram
page AT Jwl, comedy or The Riddles Comedy club, website
there's A qr code you can scan to buy. Tickets
(22:57):
tickets are twenty dollars each unless you use promo code,
jerks then they're two for.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Thirty well, Done well? Done all. Right so the QUESTION
i always have for, comedians and especially you because you
being a, LAWYER a lot of your, comedy like you,
said actually revolves around family and. Children have they seen the?
Set are they cool with you taking? Shots are they
cool with you basing comedy around? Them BECAUSE i know
(23:24):
for being on the radio THAT i, Mean luckily my
wife is In radio two and she gets what it
is THAT i. Do but IF i was with anybody,
Else i'm not sure they would understand exactly what this.
Is are they all cool with what you're?
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Doing you? Know my, kids, YEAH i raised, them so
they've been engulfed in this lifestyle since they were, born
so they are immune to. It they're used to. It you,
know it's just a way of life for. Them when
their friends come, over they're kind of, like what did
your dad just say to? You you? Know AND i
(23:56):
want them to have that experience because when you go
out in the, world it's wild out. There, yeah you
know the world is not Just, HEY i play travel,
SPORTS i go to, school AND i go To. STARBUCKS
i mean there's some wild stuff going on and they
need to learn about, it and IF i can teach
them by using, comedy you, know let's get it. Done so,
(24:18):
yeah they don't AND i don't say anything so wild
or x. Rated it's crude at, times but you, know
nothing to ruin their reputations or make them blush or
make them. Angry but they're in my, world and, honestly
at this, POINT i almost feel like they're clones of
me the way they talk and how they handle comedy
in the. World so WHEN i do tell them the,
(24:40):
jokes if they're about, Them i'll run them by. Them
and if they ever, Said, dad don't say, IT i
wouldn't say.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
IT i was gonna, say do they ever say? Something
or is an interaction happened between you guys who are, like,
Oh dad's going to write down into? Jokes?
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Yeah, no you, know everything That i've said about them is.
Fine you. Know my, wife on the other, hand there's
days that it goes where she's got to walk out the,
back And i'm fine with. That you, know you didn't
pay for your ticket. Anyways, hey that's.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Great sometimes the best hecklers are the ones that are
on the other side of the. Bed that.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
One she's a good sport. TOO a lot of the
stuff is about, her and you, know obviously it's it's
exaggerated and. Twisted you, Know i'm lucky to have you do,
this you, know working sixty hours a. Week how many
guys wise, SAY i go sit at a comedy Club
friday And saturday night WHEN i haven't seen you all.
Week so she's an absolute, saint very.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Cool the push game to shove and someone, said, hey
for now, on you can either choose to be a
full time comedian or a full time. Lawyer would you
be able to decide which one you'd want to.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Do i'd have to keep practice in. LAW i mean
last year doing stand, UP i THINK i made six
hundred and eleven.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Dollars, hey that's not that makes you a.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Professional, yeah so THAT'S i got bills to. Pay you,
KNOW i want to retire one. Day so this is
just kind of like a passion project on the. SIDE
i do it BECAUSE i want to see how FAR
i can take. It you. KNOW i started off as
a best man speech And i've headlined the comedy. BAR
i opened For Pat thomasulo a couple of. Times Was, Michigan.
(26:17):
Wisconsin So i'm doing it just to see how FAR
i can take.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
It so, well if you became a comedian that was
had light on your own at giant stadiums and at
all kinds of, stuff and you started getting to that elite,
level would you rather do the comedy for a full time?
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Living? Oh of, course of, course, man this? UH i,
mean both lawyer and comic are great because you're helping people.
Out you, know as a, lawyer when someone gets hurt
and they're in a tough, spot you, know there's no
better feeling than someone comingy and, say, hey, man you
really took care of. ME i appreciate. It you. Know
same with. Comedy people will come up after a show and, Say,
(26:58):
JOE i just lost my job On. Wednesday you had
me laughing for thirty. MINUTES i forgot about all my
problems and that. FEELING i, MEAN I i thrive on.
That there's nothing like, it, man AND i want to
keep doing it as long AS i, can whether it
be in law or.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Comedy, well that's gonna make up for any time you've
ever lost a case and bombed on. Stage at the same, time.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
We don't lose cases over.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Here all, right now comes the best part of the
show for some. People this is. Bargaments we're just gonna
throw out some. Topics who cares if the writer, Wrong
(27:44):
it's just have some. Fun Joe, lower, comedian will be
at riddles that's gonna be made twenty. Fifth head to
the link in this podcast description on YouTube or anywhere
else that you're. LISTENING i will have that link in
there for you, guys and you can go ahead and
come check them. OUT i Think joe AND i may
have to come watch you as, well and we'll use
your family's, discount all right for a Mount? Rushmore because
(28:06):
you are also? Lawyer what is the Mount rushmore of movie?
Lawyers realistic or? Ridiculous who who makes the cut of
the Mount rushmore of movie Or i'll make it a movie
or television fictional? Lawyers who was on the Mount rushmore
of lawyers for?
Speaker 3 (28:20):
You Vince, gambini my Cousin, Vinny.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Yes, yes same was.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Online you gotta THROW i think that that head actor
From suits was pretty. SHARP i forgot his name.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Our respector, yes.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Yep, yep uh give Me Judge, Wapner.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Judge wild is he?
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Is?
Speaker 1 (28:52):
He is?
Speaker 3 (28:52):
He? FICTIONAL i don't.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Know, NO i thought that was. Real was he?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Real, well he's a judge's, yeah the REALITY tv whatever real,
is you.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Know i'll put. It i'll put it on.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
There AND i don't he's not a. Lawyer but give
me bowl From Night, court.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
All, Right joey jojo H, YEAH i Had nightcourt as.
Well HARRY i forget his last. Name, Uh Harry, anderson thank.
You Also Jim carrey when he's In Liar, LIAR.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
I like.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
It, Uh and ACTUALLY i. DON'T i don't know if
you know this one's got a little bit. Older But
Robert Downey. Jr in the Movie The, JUDGE.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
I don't know IF i know that movie that sounds
if It's, downy it's gotta be.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Good, yeah it's who's in A Billy Bob, Thornton Robert, Duvall, Robert,
Yeah Robert duvall is a judge and GETS i don't, know
hit somebody kill. Someone And Robert Downey. Jr because it's a,
lawyer who's his. Son, yeah that's. Amazing my Mau rushmore
saw goodn.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Probably definitely the one IF i was IF i was jammed,
up it would be him or my number Two Harvey.
SPECTR i started Watching suits just because it Was i've
been watching so many YouTube clips AND i was, LIKE
i should watch the Show. Netflix and THEN i started
watching the first couple of, EPISODES i got hooked to.
Them my wife, goes that's the show With Mega. Markle i'm,
like it. IS i didn't even realize she was on,
(30:21):
That and then she kept trying to send me like
she doesn't Like Mega, markles so she was sending me
like YouTube clips AND i refuse to watch it BECAUSE
i don't want to be, LIKE i don't want to
know what she's like outside of this. Show i'm in
this weird. Cocoon but every TIME i tell somebody Any
spectrum AND i was, like, OH i hate that, Girl
like all, Right i'm trying my hardest not to figure
out exactly who this one. Is but watching that, show
(30:42):
if my life was on the, Line Harvey spector gets
some one for, ME i wanna. Go matt walk is number.
Three that guy always seemed to be able to get
everybody out of, jams and he was like eighty years
old walking around busting everybody's cases over. There and then
the ONE i would, do the other one would have
to be, Again Vincent, gambati my, Cousin, vinny that was
(31:05):
the greatest lawyer of all, time the one that can
Missus riley and only Missus. Riley and That i've watched
that that scene about a million times. Over that's one
of those.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Movies you can watch it as you, started at any
point when you turn it on and watch it the
rest of the.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Way oh, yeah you're, like, man they Got Daniel LaRussa in,
here and he's not even like a factor in this. Movie,
No i'll bet she is that. Good the two youths,
Two i'm, sorry the two. Youths the two. Youths all,
right let me ask you this one a better, Judge
Judge judy Or Judge.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
REINHOLD i, MEAN i gotta Go Judge. Judy she's a.
Firecracker i'm afraid of, Her judy all.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Day come on before, then you know WHAT i. May
my uggle was a public defender In New York city
and when he got, married he got remarried FOR i
want to say a second or third. TIME i was
a little, kid and he was the god a lawyer
that you. Know they did the whole favors game and
the year before her show came. Out Judge judy was
(32:08):
the person that performed the wedding ceremony at myles AND
i remember my dad, going this is you Know Judge
Judy Shan, bloom and she's gonna be, like you, Know Judge.
WAFNER i remember being, like that's, awesome AND i was
like ten years. OLD i had no idea what that.
Meant and now she's like uber. Famous i'm, LIKE i
can't believe, that BUT i would still Take Judge. Rideold,
No Judge judy.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Was she was.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Mean Judge ridhold looks like a very nice. Guy he
was great in all The Beverly Hills. Cops vice versa
was a great. Movie The Fred Savage he's in the
classic scene and uh was it not a what is
the the one Was? Speccoli what's that? Movie The Fast
Times Your Ridge Gone? High Last times Of Ridge On?
High and then of course he was the close talker
(32:49):
In Seinfeld that that means all of. Judges so for,
me The JUDGE rd the better Judge judge Ride hold
will be that one for, me would you? Say and
we'll do this as the better improv, factor because we're going,
comedians the better comedy improv Actor Jim carrey Or Robin.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
WILLIAMS i gotta Go Robin, Williams.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Joey, Jojo i'm Going Robin williams as. Well that guy
classic right. There there's nothing he did that was. BAD i, Think,
well maybe a, couple BUT i will say that both
of them are hilarious and they're all. Right both of
them are, amazing but both of them can also go
too extreme where it's actually kind of annoying for. Me
Robin williams had too many WHERE i was, LIKE i
don't even know where he is right, Now like he
(33:39):
is hilarious and he's, funny but then they'll like start
doing impressions And i'm, LIKE i have no idea what's going.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
On for. Me Jim, carrey the impressions are still WHAT
i like the, most AND i still like because he
was on A Living color and he did a. LOT
i loved him. There so for, ME i would Go Jim.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Carrey.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Acevan. SURE i can watch over and over, again AND
i can watch a lot of those movies like you, Said,
Liar larry, Again, Missus Doubt fire and everything That Robert
williams did was, Unbelievable BUT i THINK i got more
more of a sample, size But Jim carrey than anything, else.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Just because you were. Younger, yeah pretty, much pretty. Much
add for our last. One they call this the CHAT
gvt question of the, day And, joe we're gonna throw
it at. You would you rather do improv with a
judge or have a heckler act as you're co counsel
in a?
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Court?
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Oh give me the heckler all. DAY i just love
when people burnt stuff out in the. CROWD i, mean
it just doesn't make any. Sense you, know you're at a,
show you pay for a. Ticket you know you got
to be. Quiet so when someone yells something, out it's
usually easy. Pickens and, uh you, know the rest of
the crowd kind of rallies around the comic and and
(34:51):
and you know supports them going after the. Guy but,
yeah hecklers are the.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
BEST i, mean your dual counselor in a courtroom and
me's just sit here talking trash to. You would you
rather have the heckler as your co? Counsel or would
rather going to do a comedy act or an improv
act with a? Judge?
Speaker 3 (35:09):
You, sorry so a heckler as a co?
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Counsel you'd either go on and do improv with a
fellow judge or someone that you know would rather be
in the court in the court, case and your cod
counselor in court is a.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Heckler SORRY i misheard. You, no, yeah probably be the
judge with with the. Improv there's actually a couple of
retired judges who are starting to do stand up now
you can. See, yeah so uh, yeah that's that's a no. Brainer.
Man you know what someone heckling you know where you're
sitting at the.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Courthouse, yeah especially your co, counselor you, know talking trash
during the whole.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Time that's enough problems at that. Point so uh, yeah easy.
One give me the judge as the uh you, know the.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Improv what is the wildest thing that someone has yelled
out in? Court there's got to be, something you.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Know nothing, REALLY i, mean everybody's pretty well. Behaved you,
know there's a bailiff. THERE i, MEAN i think you
guys WATCH tv and maybe you think it's like the Wild,
west but we're. Hoping so, yeah, no it's pretty it's
it's it's just business as. Usually you go, in people
get work done and they. LEAVE i don't do criminal,
(36:20):
defense so maybe those scurt you, know they're bringing the
they get to the defendants in the, courtroom and that's
probably the videos you see, online like you, know criminal
court's gone wild or. Whatever but you, know doing personal,
injury it's you, know usually it's just the. Lawyers the
clients are at. Home they rarely come to court unless
there's a trial they'll have to come in and. Testify
but ours is pretty laid.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Back, now what is Your can you give us a
good story about a heckle that somebody tried to go
at you and you just totally dominated them.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Or, huh, yeah you, know there's so many of. Them
the last HECKLE i got was a buddy of. Mine
he had a bunch of drinks in the. Back she's
yelling how he struck me out In little, league and,
LIKE i, mean he was probably one of the worst
players in the league for. Years you, know we thought
(37:12):
he was, lefty but he ended up being a writing
where you could tell you didn't know how to throw a.
Baseball So hi laid into this guy for thirty. MINUTES i.
Stats you, know we were talking about place he had.
Made we got cut from every, team and he came
up to he was, like, oh, sorry, MAN i just
wanted to yell at. OUT i had a couple of.
Drinks he's, like but now everybody in the crowd. Knows you,
(37:33):
KNOW i abandoned ninth and played right. FIELD i, said,
well next, time you just got to be.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Quiet next, time shut the hell. Up.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Yeah, so but it's. Funny you, know usually it's your.
Buddies they're just kind of riding a little. Bit but you, know,
whatever it's part of the. Job like you guys do.
This sometimes you'll have like a you, know microphone that won't,
work or a link that ain't gonna be in a comic. Hecklers,
man it's just part of going into work every.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Day do you have a set thing that you would
say to somebody or is east heckler and come with
their own different. Circumstances, yeah you.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Know you gotta be quick on your, feet and you,
know you don't want to start an argument where they're
going to come up on stage and body slam. Them
so you gotta call them. Out but you got to
be respectful because you don't want to lose the crowd
when you say something, like oh, man that was. Mean you,
know can't poke fun at the guy for, that but.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
He's in a. Wheelchair what the hell?
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Right? Right SO i think there's a Keyan peel skit about.
That but if you walk this fine line where you
make fun of them but you don't offend them or the,
crowd and it's always not easy to do because you,
KNOW i got a set list in my. Head you,
KNOW i got twenty minutes of JOKES i want to,
tell and now this guy throws me, off AND i
(38:46):
got to go address this and then come back to
my set. List so your your mind is spinning because
you don't want to forget a joke or a. Punchline
but then you get distracted and you got to address.
It and while you're addressing, it you still have to
be professionals so that you don't come off as a.
Jerk and you, know everybody On, instagram, OH i don't
go see his. Show he made fun of this guy
for this or Mat, SO i, mean it's a, lot.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
BUT i think you might actually have more people coming
up and watch it if you Said i'm, going, yeah
shred shred.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Them it's part of the. Gig and you, know some
of these, professionals like A Bill burr or some of
these guys For teresa. O'Neil they were so good at
just calling out these, hecklers and you can watch. Him
it's an art, form, man when these guys do, it
and you, know hopefully one Day i'll be at that.
Level but for, now you, know it's usually just my
(39:36):
buddies in the crowd talking about stuff we did in
the late, nineties which has no relevance to. Anything you.
KNOW i think they just want, to, hey look at,
me look at. Me but whatever part.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Of the, JOB i love. It Joe, lower, comedian, lawyer
all things in. Shortinary you can also follow him On
instagram AT Jwl comedy and his next show is going
to Be may twenty fifth At Riddle's Comedy. Club but
if you're listening to this podcast and you're way past,
that check out his. Instagram his website is on there as,
well and you get all this future dates and all
the fun stuff up there as. Well, joe thanks for
(40:06):
coming out with.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Us hey, guys thanks for having. Me have a good.
Weekend all, right all.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
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Arguments is recorded in front of a live studio audience.
What's up, everybody? Welcome, man, ladies, and gentlemen to another
thrilling edition of Arguments once again. I am your host,
Dan Levy with me and my co host Joe Philippo.
What up, Joe? What's up there? Joe? All right, I'd
like to do background. You got to teach me how
(00:21):
to make a home studio look like that. Even though
I spend thousands of dollars in here, yours looks better now. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I charged one hundred bucks an hour if your mind,
but for you, I'll make ninety five.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Well. In order to get this all written up and
sinched up and agreed upon legally, we're going to bring
in a lawyer also turned comedian. He is Joe Loward. Joe,
thanks for joining us, man, I appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yeah, guys, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
All right, So, Joe, just a quick little biography on you, buddy.
You are You are a college basketball player.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
I played one year at college ball and that was enough.
You know, the NBA scouts weren't calling, so I decided
to switch careers and try something else.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I believe in the sports term anology that would be
a pivot. So what what college did you go to?
Where did you play? What position?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
I played one year at Benedictine University. It's a Division
III college, so you know, I did just enough to
tell my friends I played college hoops and uh, I'm fining.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Well, yeah, what position did you play? Left out?
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Yeah. I didn't get a lot of playing time, but
I was a point guard in college. But I didn't
like because I really couldn't dribble. I like to shoot. Well.
By the time, you know, you get to college, everybody
six five six', six SO i was only six foot.
One they made me a point. Guard SO i.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Struggled now were you were you? Recruited was this like
a walk on? Thing there was a scholarship tackle on.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
This you, KNOW i got an academic. SCHOLARSHIP i don't
know if A DIVISION iii school can make an athletic scholarship.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Offer, NO i don't think they.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Can, Yeah i'm not sure if they. Can but you,
KNOW i went to a few open gyms there during the.
SUMMER i met with the coach AND i basically walked
on AND i was on THE jv, team got it for.
Varsity but there was still a lot of, work a
lot of, traveling morning, practices game. FILMS i mean it was.
(02:28):
Exhausting and THEN i lived in the, dorms so you,
know if you got a five am practice and everybody
in the dorms is up till two three in the,
morning are, IN i mean you weren't, sleeping you. Know
so that whole first year of college was just an
absolute days for.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Me so was. Mine oh my.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Gosh and then at the end of the year it
was a private. School you got the bill and the.
Mail you're, like oh, MY i gotta pay for. This
this is. Ridiculous and, YEAH i told my dad that
THE nba did not send me any. Letters he, said
pack your. Stuff you're going to state. School and that was.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
It and then you went to a state school to
become a. Lawyer which state school did you go?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
TO i transferred TO Uic and what year was, that, oh,
man ninety, nine two.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Thousand, okay that was right around With joey AND i
were going to. COLLEGE i used to live around U,
see SO i know the area pretty. Well my brother
was a president of a fraternity AT, uic SO i
spent a lot of time hanging out over, there SO
i can only imagine that nice shut eye was not
in the cards AT uice. Either that is a for
(03:30):
those not In, chicago that is a school smack dab
right in the heart of the city Of.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Chicago, yeah you get access to all the best, restaurants, clubs.
Bars so you, know three years, there got the bachelor's
and THEN i studied law At John marshall which is
NOW Uic Law. School got the law degree in seven
And i've been a practicing attorney FOR i think it'll
(03:55):
be eighteen years this.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Year so you go on to become a, lawyer and
then you wrote a look Called, Basketball, Beatings boners and
The American, dream which is pretty much the theme of
my life as.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Well, yeah it was an. Autobiography is that when you
write a book about yourself or BIOGRAPHY i.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Have i'm going to tell you you're the lawyer you
should be at.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Operation but it was just a, quick maybe seventy eighty
page book kind of documented my life up to that present,
time you, know told from from my point of. View
but as you, KNOW i was written as a. Comedy
we sold about eighty copies. ONLINE i was selling them
for three bucks a. Pop you, know just kind of
(04:38):
testing the. Waters wanted to get the book out there
see how the family and friends felt about my sense of,
humor WHICH i describe as crude and r. Rated AND
i got some good. Feedback so AFTER i wrote the,
BOOK i, said you know, What i'm going to venture
off and try to, do you, know do stand up
and present these stories to an audience at comedy, glubs
(05:00):
bars and. Parishes and you, know here we are eight years.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Later what age, point, like is it from like twenty
to thirty? At, like what is the timeframe of what
point of your life that you're writing?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
About?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
There that book was written from my uh probably like
eighth grade through just after getting married and moving to the. Suburbs,
interesting and that was a wild transition for, me, guys
BECAUSE i grew up on The southwest side Of, chicago
(05:36):
which is blue collar you, know strap you, know strap
up your, boots get to, work. Party and THEN i
come out To New lenox and it's, like you, know
you got to pick it, Fence i'm caught in the.
GRASS i got two, kids and you just look in
the mirror, like, man where the hell did it all go?
Wrong all?
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Right so if we're keeping. Score here you went from
The south side Of chicago, kid basketball, player lawyer and
now the full pivot to the suburbs and going into
comedy right if.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Hours it travel sports this.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Weekend so wait before we even continue onto that. Path
as you were going along in, life were you always
kind of like comedy is SOMETHING i want to do
at some? Point or was writing that book kind of, like,
hey that was fun that was. Funny MAYBE i should
dabble in this as. Well.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
WELL i wrote the book, because to be honest with you,
GUYS i have stage, freight AND i always thought it
would be easier to write the, book sell it and
just make people laugh that. Way but you, know we
sold a couple of. Copies after about six, months sales
kind of burnt, out AND i, said you know, WHAT
i just got to suck it, up get on, stage
(06:49):
even Though i'm, nervous and tell the jokes and see what,
happens because that, way you, know you can see people,
laughing and you, know if you're funny or, not how
is that? Person it fizzled, out you, KNOW i made
a plan to get on stage and tell jokes and
see IF i could do, it and IF i was,
funny or IF i was just that guy that was
funny at like social, events family parties and you know
(07:11):
what have? You that?
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Is that is a deep toe into a deep part of.
Water to figure that part out Before joe asks this,
question were you writing comedy or were you testing it
out on people or were you, Like i'm just going
to write a set And i'm going to go up
there and no one's going to see me do, this
and then do.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
It, well my brother got married in and it maybe
eight or nine years, ago and he, said, hey would
you be my best? Man and by the, way everyone's
expecting you to be somewhat funny when you give this
best man. Speech And i'm, like, jeez there's gonna be
three hundred and fifty people. There wow in my sense of,
HUMOR i, mean this thing could go south. Fast you
(07:51):
don't want or one of the laws and ruin this
kid's whole.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Wedding no, Drinking no drinking before the, Speech.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Well you had to. DRINK i you, KNOW i didn't
like getting up in front of. People so you, know
a couple of, vodka seven, ups two old, fashions AND
i had written about five rough drafts before AND i
ran by my. MOM i, Said, mack CAN i say this?
Stuff she, goes absolutely. Not people are going to walk.
Out SO i wanted it down, somewhat BUT i still
(08:20):
wanted to, be you, know true to. Myself IT'S i
want to Be Joe lauer up, there not some you know.
THIS i got to be. Myself SO i told the
jokes and it went really. WELL i posted that video
on My instagram And facebook, page and that was my
first time doing stand. Up it was at six seven minutes,
(08:42):
set three hundred and fifty people had about seven a
drinks in. Me, Whoa and you know that was what
kind of catapulted me to get up on a stage
at a comedy.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Club are you still maintaining that kind of beverage number
before you hit a.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Stage i'll tell you, now IF i drink like, THAT
i fall.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
ASLEEP i was gonna say my. FORTIES i don't know
IF i could do that.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Either i'll get up, there maybe have a nitro brew
or some coffee and then bring a water on. Stage
So i'm not. Parched because when you do these comedy,
clubs usually you'll get two Shows friday at eight and
ten And saturday at eight and, ten and you, know
during the, WEEK i go to bed at nine, o'clock
so at ten o'clock, show that's really pushing. It so
(09:26):
IF i were to, DRINK i would just be sleeping
in the green. Room you, know that's a young guys.
Game SO i either have a coffee and espresso shot
or you, know just something to keep me. Stimulated BUT
i really can't drink anymore at these. Shows it'll be
a disaster now.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
THAT i definitely understand because the Older i've. GOTTEN i
have a ten year old, kid AND i got a
wife as, well and, man whatever like eight o'clock, COMES
i am struggling to keep. Eyes were trying to watch
A tv show, together AND i can almost set my
watch to What i'm going to pass.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Out and here's the other. THING a lot of these,
comics they're, younger and you know that's their only. JOB
i work sixty hours a week as an, attorney you,
know sometimes, more and THEN i get on the stage
On friday And. Saturday usually by that Time i'm. Exhausted
and that's kind of why my comedy now is almost like,
man people tell, me you feel like you're just up
there bitching for an. Hour Man i've been at the
(10:18):
office sixty five hours a. WEEK i, mean what do
you want me to?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Do you, KNOW i was gonna, say have you ever
had like an audience go debt or how? Cooling you
just started almost like going in on them like a cross,
examination like what is the money right?
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Now sometimes that's the. Problem you go into lawyer mode
and you're up, there you're lecturing or doing the direct
and it's, like, hey come back down to. Earth this
is a comedy. Show but sometimes that that switch just
flips in your head and you can't stop. It so
id chhows where people are, like, hey, man you just
yelled at us for forty five. Minutes, like, man you
already paid for the. Tickets, Buddy i've been.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Breast it's a forty five minutes. Set when are you
getting the chance to write all the all the? Jokes
because if you're doing sixty eight hours a week and
you're doing that kind of, stuff and you're doing and
then all of a sudden you got to do a
special or you got to Do hey, man we're booking
here for a. THING i, mean at what point are
you stopping and going all, right it's time to write
out about another twenty thirty minute set.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Routine you, know my cell phone's always on, me so
if something happens And i'm, like you know, what that's
going to be a good, joke you just type it
into the cell phone store it, somewhere and after three,
Months i'll go through it and see WHAT i. Got
and then you just tweak it and, write, rewrite, write
rewrite until you think it's at a point where, Okay
(11:35):
i'm gonna try this on. Stage but, yeah it's just
as you go through. Life when something, happens you email,
yourself you jot it down on a, notepad and then
my routine, is after three, Months i'll go check to
see WHAT i, got and IF i have enough AND
i feel like it's, good you'll test it on the.
Stage IF i don't have, enough we'll take another three,
months keep right and see where we're.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
At that's something you learned going through like these comedy
shows and talking to other, comedians or is it just your?
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Routine every every comedian has their own. Routine you. Know
the WAY i do it, Is, joe If i'm going
through life and there's something that happens AND i step
back and, say what the fuck was THAT i know
that's my. Material, Okay so as soon AS i think
(12:26):
that or say, THAT i, said, okay let me get the,
pen paper of the phone, handy AND i jopped down
what happens. Next and that's kind of my style of,
comedy and people will. Relate you, know you're going through
life and you're, like what the and then. BOOM i
write it down and try to convert it into a.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Joke i've done stand up comedy one. TIME i want
to do it. Again i've been Got i've ad the
ed SINCE covid to get up there and do it.
Again i've written a lot of. Stuff BUT i took
a class In Second city with another buddy of my Named,
abe and we both did a second stand up comedy
class and it was. TOUGH i, mean it was a
really cool. Class they taught us how to the very first.
(13:02):
Class they we got to write a set where we all,
bombed so we got to feel what it was like
till but then you're telling some dumb jokes that everyone's laughing.
Anyway and then for the next six weeks we built
up a routine where we performed AND i actually if
those of you that are watching the podcast or listening
to this. PODCAST i will put that in the notes
as well as along With joe stuff as. Well BUT
(13:24):
i did it the one time he got, recorded AND
i will say it was only a six minute. Set
the first five MINUTES i had were really good with
the problem WAS i loaded the. Audience so it was my,
brother my, friends you, know PEOPLE i, knew and we
all loaded, it so everybody was extra. Cool it wasn't
LIKE i walked into a room of FACES i hadn't seen.
Before so that's where the next QUESTION i have for,
(13:45):
You the first time you got up in front of a?
Club did you do it on your? Own did you stack?
It or are you just LIKE i got to, See
i'm going to do this one. Time i'll tell my
wife about. It get up there and IF i like,
IT i like. It if, Not i'm kind of. Done
how did you kind of set yourself up?
Speaker 3 (13:59):
For, yeah the first TIME i did stand, UP i
went to an open mic At Riddle's Comedy club AND
i had my jokes written down AND i memorized them.
VERBATIM i got up. There they give you five minutes
to do your. Set at four there's a light that
blinks in the back to remind you that you have
one minute. LEFT i was so dialed IN i just
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blurted out WHATEVER i. MEMORIZED i was up there ten
minutes and you know the. Holes he's, like, dude everybody's
got to. Go what do you? Do AND i, said,
SIR i. APOLOGIZE i was in his. ZONE i JUST
i don't know what. Happened and it. Was it was.
Miserable no one. Laughed you, KNOW i ran the, light
so you, KNOW i went out to the bar, afterwards
(14:43):
And i'm just sitting. There i'm, like you know WHAT
i can at least tell People at this, POINT i.
Tried you, KNOW i did an open.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Mic that's. Huge that's that's like even the hardest, part
the first STEP i. Did i'm, there, man it is
like being in a crowd button eggid and just letting
be and just kind of get what people are thinking of.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
YOU i couldn't do, karaoke so there's no Way i'm
going up there to do an open.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Mic Night age race will change, that but go out
with the. Story need more than.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
That, no it was absolutely. Miserable AND i, said you know,
what because that's my personality is just to keep. Going
AND i just kept showing up At, riddle showing, up showing,
up showing. Up we booked a show there and sold
them about two hundred. Tickets the place holds two. Fifty
then clubs started calling me to perform on. WEEKENDS i
(15:32):
was getting, paid and you know the rest is. History
but you just got to get through that first or you, know, first,
second third time on, stage and then things start to.
Click and NOW i still get stage. Fright you, know
WHEN i get up on, stage in the back of my,
mind there's always that thought like they're just going to
(15:52):
stare at, me or none of these jokes are going to.
Hit and but it's like playing a. Sport why don't
you throw the first pitch or hit the first jump?
Shot you relax and then you just start to enjoy
it all.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Right so THEN i have a couple of questions THAT
i wanted to bounce all of you for this. One
what is more cutthroat a courtroom or a comedy?
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Club, WELL i mean the, courtroom some guys are looking
at serving time or losing millions of, Bucks SO i
think the odds are a little, higher you, know in
the in the shoff, world you, know you just go
have a drink and shake it. Off and you know
ticket sales are, finals so you're getting paid.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Regardless do you find that do you find that either
one LIKE i, said where do you find that you
being now a comedy guy or a comedian that it
helps you in the courtroom or does it hurt you
because is there a part where you're, Like i'm going
to say a joke and maybe That joe dig over very.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Well, Yeah, well you, know in court we can only
speak to. Facts you, know you talk about a car,
accident you explain how it. Happened in, comedy you know
the stage you can basically say whatever you. Want but
anytime you know you're doing stand up and you get
comfortable on stage and speaking in front of, people juris
can sense that if you're up there and you're sweating
(17:09):
and you're, nervous and you, know the people in the
jury box, know hey, man he's not. Comfortable maybe he
doesn't know his case that. Well but doing stand, UP i,
mean there's no better practice for becoming confident in public
speaking than getting on a comedy stage and.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
PERFORMING i will say all the, times LIKE i, Said
i've done public. Speaking i've been in radio for over
twenty years, now which is, weird as somebody would say it.
Was And i've had no problems ever public. Speaking WHEN
i did say was nervous because you can see some,
people but that is a very bright light on, you
and it feels like you're just throwing jokes out into
(17:44):
the ether and hoping that it boomerangs back with. Laughter
but whenever it's been, Like i've done a couple of
Best man, speeches And i've always found the Best man
speeches to be easy on my end because whenever you're
doing The Best, man you're following the broad the, honor
and theirs is one hundred percent, sad, emotional. Edmental it's
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usually they're. Crying everyone, cries and it's a giant hug
and then they look at me And i'm, like first
and foremost everybody taking chug of whatever you're, drinking and
then that always sets the tone for Whatever i'm Gonna,
yeah find a level. Off So i've always found. That
but when it's comedy and it's your, jokes it's a
different kind of a. Feeling so public, SPEAKING i can
only imagine this being up there and rattling off and
(18:29):
dealing with that kind of audience, Jurors i've got to
just be a lot more enlightened with, you just because
you're a lot more comfortable now speaking into them, right and.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
In the jury. Too you got to remember they're. There
they got to take the day awful. Work they get
a check for like seventeen or eighteen. Dollars most of
them probably don't even want to be. There. No see
at the comedy, show you, know they're, paying they're, drinking
they're there to have a good. Time so it's just
two completely different.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Worlds what's the biggest myth people believe about lawyers that
would drive you? Crazy? Myth is there anything out there
when you Say i'm a lawyer and people say, like,
oh you must be an ambulance? Chaser you might, be you.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
KNOW i think that WHEN i tell People i'm a
lawyer and they don't know me LIKE i Know, joe
And joe knows my. Personality you, KNOW i love getting
the kids, together turkey, bowl telling, jokes hanging. OUT i
think that when you tell someone you're a, lawyer in
their head they automatically, think, oh this guy's up, tight he's.
Argumentative you, Know i'm just going to stay away and
(19:34):
you know that's not. True some of my, lawyers my,
FRIENDS i, mean they're just so easy going and you,
know good people to hang out. With but you, know
we have THIS i don't, know and Maybe i'm, off
but this stigma that we're just uptight and money hungry
and you, know no personality and not easy to get along.
(19:56):
With but with, me it's it's completely. Opposite you, KNOW
i can, ATTEST i do stand. UP i wrote a
book about. BONERS i, mean come, on and then too,
Sometimes SO i don't want that to be my. LAWYER
i want this absolute bit bull who's going to tear
people's faces off and do this and. That and you
know it's not like. That you, know the, courthouse we
(20:18):
all have to get. Along you have to be, professional
AND i mean you just got to be good to, people, comedy,
law wherever you're. At just be a good guy and
things work.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Out have any of your clients found out that you're,
uh you do stand up on the, SIDE i tell
them you broadcast that to him or do you kind
of keep that on the hush hush to your?
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Clients, YEAH i don't tell them, that but a few
have come to. SHOWS i become friends with the, couple and,
uh you know even that they may say ought to
want a lawyer who does stand. UP i hope, though
that they're professional and mature enough to, say you know,
what he has a. Hobby he does comedy on the
side the laws his, job and everyone has things that
they enjoy to do side of, work so so hopefully
(21:03):
they can draw that that, distinction and, well it's it's the.
Same he's a comedian when he's in court and he's defending,
me because it's not you, Know i'm a different person
at the. Courthouse but a couple clients have come to.
Shows BUT i don't broadcast. It you, KNOW i don't
go to court with from try a case and say
here's a ticket to my next.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Show, WELL i, know as a you may win at
my comedy. Show.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Yeah, Yeah but but you know when they do, Say,
joe you're easy to talk. TO i can call you any.
Time you, KNOW i was in a terrible spot in
my life with this, accident and you kind of you,
know you coached me through. It you were there for,
me you, know you you made me. Laugh and they appreciate.
That AND i think if most of them found out
THAT i did stand. Up they wouldn't be surprised if you.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Do you, Ever, WELL i know you can't really talk
about the, cases but do you ever put any of
that into your, sets into your, Jokes you ever revert
back to anything that's specifically happen in a?
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Courtroom do you ever talk about that when you're?
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Writing, Well i'll tell you this show we got coming
Up may twenty, fifth it's all new. Material i'm going
to bring back a couple of, classics BUT i do
have a, joke not about specific, cases but just about
the law generally and how bizarre some of these laws
are In, Illinois and if you want to hear, those
you'll have to buy ticket show up on the twenty.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Fifth well for those that do not live in The
Illinois chicago, areas or any kind of a joke you
get to share with people to what the? Whistle if you?
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Will, Yeah so that Shows may twenty, Fifth Riddles Comedy
club In. Elsup the doors open at, five show starts at.
Six if you go to My facebook, page My instagram
page AT Jwl, comedy or The Riddles Comedy club, website
there's A qr code you can scan to buy. Tickets
(22:57):
tickets are twenty dollars each unless you use promo code,
jerks then they're two for.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Thirty well, Done well? Done all. Right so the QUESTION
i always have for, comedians and especially you because you
being a, LAWYER a lot of your, comedy like you,
said actually revolves around family and. Children have they seen the?
Set are they cool with you taking? Shots are they
cool with you basing comedy around? Them BECAUSE i know
(23:24):
for being on the radio THAT i, Mean luckily my
wife is In radio two and she gets what it
is THAT i. Do but IF i was with anybody,
Else i'm not sure they would understand exactly what this.
Is are they all cool with what you're?
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Doing you? Know my, kids, YEAH i raised, them so
they've been engulfed in this lifestyle since they were, born
so they are immune to. It they're used to. It you,
know it's just a way of life for. Them when
their friends come, over they're kind of, like what did
your dad just say to? You you? Know AND i
(23:56):
want them to have that experience because when you go
out in the, world it's wild out. There, yeah you
know the world is not Just, HEY i play travel,
SPORTS i go to, school AND i go To. STARBUCKS
i mean there's some wild stuff going on and they
need to learn about, it and IF i can teach
them by using, comedy you, know let's get it. Done so,
(24:18):
yeah they don't AND i don't say anything so wild
or x. Rated it's crude at, times but you, know
nothing to ruin their reputations or make them blush or
make them. Angry but they're in my, world and, honestly
at this, POINT i almost feel like they're clones of
me the way they talk and how they handle comedy
in the. World so WHEN i do tell them the,
(24:40):
jokes if they're about, Them i'll run them by. Them
and if they ever, Said, dad don't say, IT i
wouldn't say.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
IT i was gonna, say do they ever say? Something
or is an interaction happened between you guys who are, like,
Oh dad's going to write down into? Jokes?
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Yeah, no you, know everything That i've said about them is.
Fine you. Know my, wife on the other, hand there's
days that it goes where she's got to walk out the,
back And i'm fine with. That you, know you didn't
pay for your ticket. Anyways, hey that's.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Great sometimes the best hecklers are the ones that are
on the other side of the. Bed that.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
One she's a good sport. TOO a lot of the
stuff is about, her and you, know obviously it's it's
exaggerated and. Twisted you, Know i'm lucky to have you do,
this you, know working sixty hours a. Week how many
guys wise, SAY i go sit at a comedy Club
friday And saturday night WHEN i haven't seen you all.
Week so she's an absolute, saint very.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Cool the push game to shove and someone, said, hey
for now, on you can either choose to be a
full time comedian or a full time. Lawyer would you
be able to decide which one you'd want to.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Do i'd have to keep practice in. LAW i mean
last year doing stand, UP i THINK i made six
hundred and eleven.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Dollars, hey that's not that makes you a.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Professional, yeah so THAT'S i got bills to. Pay you,
KNOW i want to retire one. Day so this is
just kind of like a passion project on the. SIDE
i do it BECAUSE i want to see how FAR
i can take. It you. KNOW i started off as
a best man speech And i've headlined the comedy. BAR
i opened For Pat thomasulo a couple of. Times Was, Michigan.
(26:17):
Wisconsin So i'm doing it just to see how FAR
i can take.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
It so, well if you became a comedian that was
had light on your own at giant stadiums and at
all kinds of, stuff and you started getting to that elite,
level would you rather do the comedy for a full time?
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Living? Oh of, course of, course, man this? UH i,
mean both lawyer and comic are great because you're helping people.
Out you, know as a, lawyer when someone gets hurt
and they're in a tough, spot you, know there's no
better feeling than someone comingy and, say, hey, man you
really took care of. ME i appreciate. It you. Know
same with. Comedy people will come up after a show and, Say,
(26:58):
JOE i just lost my job On. Wednesday you had
me laughing for thirty. MINUTES i forgot about all my
problems and that. FEELING i, MEAN I i thrive on.
That there's nothing like, it, man AND i want to
keep doing it as long AS i, can whether it
be in law or.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Comedy, well that's gonna make up for any time you've
ever lost a case and bombed on. Stage at the same, time.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
We don't lose cases over.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Here all, right now comes the best part of the
show for some. People this is. Bargaments we're just gonna
throw out some. Topics who cares if the writer, Wrong
(27:44):
it's just have some. Fun Joe, lower, comedian will be
at riddles that's gonna be made twenty. Fifth head to
the link in this podcast description on YouTube or anywhere
else that you're. LISTENING i will have that link in
there for you, guys and you can go ahead and
come check them. OUT i Think joe AND i may
have to come watch you as, well and we'll use
your family's, discount all right for a Mount? Rushmore because
(28:06):
you are also? Lawyer what is the Mount rushmore of movie?
Lawyers realistic or? Ridiculous who who makes the cut of
the Mount rushmore of movie Or i'll make it a movie
or television fictional? Lawyers who was on the Mount rushmore
of lawyers for?
Speaker 3 (28:20):
You Vince, gambini my Cousin, Vinny.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Yes, yes same was.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Online you gotta THROW i think that that head actor
From suits was pretty. SHARP i forgot his name.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Our respector, yes.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Yep, yep uh give Me Judge, Wapner.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Judge wild is he?
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Is?
Speaker 1 (28:52):
He is?
Speaker 3 (28:52):
He? FICTIONAL i don't.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Know, NO i thought that was. Real was he?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Real, well he's a judge's, yeah the REALITY tv whatever real,
is you.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Know i'll put. It i'll put it on.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
There AND i don't he's not a. Lawyer but give
me bowl From Night, court.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
All, Right joey jojo H, YEAH i Had nightcourt as.
Well HARRY i forget his last. Name, Uh Harry, anderson thank.
You Also Jim carrey when he's In Liar, LIAR.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
I like.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
It, Uh and ACTUALLY i. DON'T i don't know if
you know this one's got a little bit. Older But
Robert Downey. Jr in the Movie The, JUDGE.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
I don't know IF i know that movie that sounds
if It's, downy it's gotta be.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Good, yeah it's who's in A Billy Bob, Thornton Robert, Duvall, Robert,
Yeah Robert duvall is a judge and GETS i don't, know
hit somebody kill. Someone And Robert Downey. Jr because it's a,
lawyer who's his. Son, yeah that's. Amazing my Mau rushmore
saw goodn.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Probably definitely the one IF i was IF i was jammed,
up it would be him or my number Two Harvey.
SPECTR i started Watching suits just because it Was i've
been watching so many YouTube clips AND i was, LIKE
i should watch the Show. Netflix and THEN i started
watching the first couple of, EPISODES i got hooked to.
Them my wife, goes that's the show With Mega. Markle i'm,
like it. IS i didn't even realize she was on,
(30:21):
That and then she kept trying to send me like
she doesn't Like Mega, markles so she was sending me
like YouTube clips AND i refuse to watch it BECAUSE
i don't want to be, LIKE i don't want to
know what she's like outside of this. Show i'm in
this weird. Cocoon but every TIME i tell somebody Any
spectrum AND i was, like, OH i hate that, Girl
like all, Right i'm trying my hardest not to figure
out exactly who this one. Is but watching that, show
(30:42):
if my life was on the, Line Harvey spector gets
some one for, ME i wanna. Go matt walk is number.
Three that guy always seemed to be able to get
everybody out of, jams and he was like eighty years
old walking around busting everybody's cases over. There and then
the ONE i would, do the other one would have
to be, Again Vincent, gambati my, Cousin, vinny that was
(31:05):
the greatest lawyer of all, time the one that can
Missus riley and only Missus. Riley and That i've watched
that that scene about a million times. Over that's one
of those.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Movies you can watch it as you, started at any
point when you turn it on and watch it the
rest of the.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Way oh, yeah you're, like, man they Got Daniel LaRussa in,
here and he's not even like a factor in this. Movie,
No i'll bet she is that. Good the two youths,
Two i'm, sorry the two. Youths the two. Youths all,
right let me ask you this one a better, Judge
Judge judy Or Judge.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
REINHOLD i, MEAN i gotta Go Judge. Judy she's a.
Firecracker i'm afraid of, Her judy all.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Day come on before, then you know WHAT i. May
my uggle was a public defender In New York city
and when he got, married he got remarried FOR i
want to say a second or third. TIME i was
a little, kid and he was the god a lawyer
that you. Know they did the whole favors game and
the year before her show came. Out Judge judy was
(32:08):
the person that performed the wedding ceremony at myles AND
i remember my dad, going this is you Know Judge
Judy Shan, bloom and she's gonna be, like you, Know Judge.
WAFNER i remember being, like that's, awesome AND i was
like ten years. OLD i had no idea what that.
Meant and now she's like uber. Famous i'm, LIKE i
can't believe, that BUT i would still Take Judge. Rideold,
No Judge judy.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Was she was.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Mean Judge ridhold looks like a very nice. Guy he
was great in all The Beverly Hills. Cops vice versa
was a great. Movie The Fred Savage he's in the
classic scene and uh was it not a what is
the the one Was? Speccoli what's that? Movie The Fast
Times Your Ridge Gone? High Last times Of Ridge On?
High and then of course he was the close talker
(32:49):
In Seinfeld that that means all of. Judges so for,
me The JUDGE rd the better Judge judge Ride hold
will be that one for, me would you? Say and
we'll do this as the better improv, factor because we're going,
comedians the better comedy improv Actor Jim carrey Or Robin.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
WILLIAMS i gotta Go Robin, Williams.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Joey, Jojo i'm Going Robin williams as. Well that guy
classic right. There there's nothing he did that was. BAD i, Think,
well maybe a, couple BUT i will say that both
of them are hilarious and they're all. Right both of
them are, amazing but both of them can also go
too extreme where it's actually kind of annoying for. Me
Robin williams had too many WHERE i was, LIKE i
don't even know where he is right, Now like he
(33:39):
is hilarious and he's, funny but then they'll like start
doing impressions And i'm, LIKE i have no idea what's going.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
On for. Me Jim, carrey the impressions are still WHAT
i like the, most AND i still like because he
was on A Living color and he did a. LOT
i loved him. There so for, ME i would Go Jim.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Carrey.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Acevan. SURE i can watch over and over, again AND
i can watch a lot of those movies like you, Said,
Liar larry, Again, Missus Doubt fire and everything That Robert
williams did was, Unbelievable BUT i THINK i got more
more of a sample, size But Jim carrey than anything, else.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Just because you were. Younger, yeah pretty, much pretty. Much
add for our last. One they call this the CHAT
gvt question of the, day And, joe we're gonna throw
it at. You would you rather do improv with a
judge or have a heckler act as you're co counsel
in a?
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Court?
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Oh give me the heckler all. DAY i just love
when people burnt stuff out in the. CROWD i, mean
it just doesn't make any. Sense you, know you're at a,
show you pay for a. Ticket you know you got
to be. Quiet so when someone yells something, out it's
usually easy. Pickens and, uh you, know the rest of
the crowd kind of rallies around the comic and and
(34:51):
and you know supports them going after the. Guy but,
yeah hecklers are the.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
BEST i, mean your dual counselor in a courtroom and
me's just sit here talking trash to. You would you
rather have the heckler as your co? Counsel or would
rather going to do a comedy act or an improv
act with a? Judge?
Speaker 3 (35:09):
You, sorry so a heckler as a co?
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Counsel you'd either go on and do improv with a
fellow judge or someone that you know would rather be
in the court in the court, case and your cod
counselor in court is a.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Heckler SORRY i misheard. You, no, yeah probably be the
judge with with the. Improv there's actually a couple of
retired judges who are starting to do stand up now
you can. See, yeah so uh, yeah that's that's a no. Brainer.
Man you know what someone heckling you know where you're
sitting at the.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Courthouse, yeah especially your co, counselor you, know talking trash
during the whole.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Time that's enough problems at that. Point so uh, yeah easy.
One give me the judge as the uh you, know the.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Improv what is the wildest thing that someone has yelled
out in? Court there's got to be, something you.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Know nothing, REALLY i, mean everybody's pretty well. Behaved you,
know there's a bailiff. THERE i, MEAN i think you
guys WATCH tv and maybe you think it's like the Wild,
west but we're. Hoping so, yeah, no it's pretty it's
it's it's just business as. Usually you go, in people
get work done and they. LEAVE i don't do criminal,
(36:20):
defense so maybe those scurt you, know they're bringing the
they get to the defendants in the, courtroom and that's
probably the videos you see, online like you, know criminal
court's gone wild or. Whatever but you, know doing personal,
injury it's you, know usually it's just the. Lawyers the
clients are at. Home they rarely come to court unless
there's a trial they'll have to come in and. Testify
but ours is pretty laid.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Back, now what is Your can you give us a
good story about a heckle that somebody tried to go
at you and you just totally dominated them.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Or, huh, yeah you, know there's so many of. Them
the last HECKLE i got was a buddy of. Mine
he had a bunch of drinks in the. Back she's
yelling how he struck me out In little, league and,
LIKE i, mean he was probably one of the worst
players in the league for. Years you, know we thought
(37:12):
he was, lefty but he ended up being a writing
where you could tell you didn't know how to throw a.
Baseball So hi laid into this guy for thirty. MINUTES i.
Stats you, know we were talking about place he had.
Made we got cut from every, team and he came
up to he was, like, oh, sorry, MAN i just
wanted to yell at. OUT i had a couple of.
Drinks he's, like but now everybody in the crowd. Knows you,
(37:33):
KNOW i abandoned ninth and played right. FIELD i, said,
well next, time you just got to be.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Quiet next, time shut the hell. Up.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Yeah, so but it's. Funny you, know usually it's your.
Buddies they're just kind of riding a little. Bit but you, know,
whatever it's part of the. Job like you guys do.
This sometimes you'll have like a you, know microphone that won't,
work or a link that ain't gonna be in a comic. Hecklers,
man it's just part of going into work every.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Day do you have a set thing that you would
say to somebody or is east heckler and come with
their own different. Circumstances, yeah you.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Know you gotta be quick on your, feet and you,
know you don't want to start an argument where they're
going to come up on stage and body slam. Them
so you gotta call them. Out but you got to
be respectful because you don't want to lose the crowd
when you say something, like oh, man that was. Mean you,
know can't poke fun at the guy for, that but.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
He's in a. Wheelchair what the hell?
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Right? Right SO i think there's a Keyan peel skit about.
That but if you walk this fine line where you
make fun of them but you don't offend them or the,
crowd and it's always not easy to do because you,
KNOW i got a set list in my. Head you,
KNOW i got twenty minutes of JOKES i want to,
tell and now this guy throws me, off AND i
(38:46):
got to go address this and then come back to
my set. List so your your mind is spinning because
you don't want to forget a joke or a. Punchline
but then you get distracted and you got to address.
It and while you're addressing, it you still have to
be professionals so that you don't come off as a.
Jerk and you, know everybody On, instagram, OH i don't
go see his. Show he made fun of this guy
for this or Mat, SO i, mean it's a, lot.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
BUT i think you might actually have more people coming
up and watch it if you Said i'm, going, yeah
shred shred.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Them it's part of the. Gig and you, know some
of these, professionals like A Bill burr or some of
these guys For teresa. O'Neil they were so good at
just calling out these, hecklers and you can watch. Him
it's an art, form, man when these guys do, it
and you, know hopefully one Day i'll be at that.
Level but for, now you, know it's usually just my
(39:36):
buddies in the crowd talking about stuff we did in
the late, nineties which has no relevance to. Anything you.
KNOW i think they just want, to, hey look at,
me look at. Me but whatever part.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Of the, JOB i love. It Joe, lower, comedian, lawyer
all things in. Shortinary you can also follow him On
instagram AT Jwl comedy and his next show is going
to Be may twenty fifth At Riddle's Comedy. Club but
if you're listening to this podcast and you're way past,
that check out his. Instagram his website is on there as,
well and you get all this future dates and all
the fun stuff up there as. Well, joe thanks for
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coming out with.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Us hey, guys thanks for having. Me have a good.
Weekend all, right all.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
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