EP78 - RALPH SUTTON

This week, Dan Levy and Joe Filippo welcome podcast powerhouse, rock 'n' roll storyteller, and GaS Digital co-founder Ralph Sutton to the show!  From wild SDR Show moments to the Mount Rushmore of rock frontmen, Ralph brings the energy, chaos, and honesty you’d expect from a guy who’s lived it all.

We dive into podcasting highs and lows, legendary concerts, dream band mashups, and the ultimate “Would You Rather” for rockstars and podcasters alike.

If you’ve ever wanted to party with a mic in one hand and a backstage pass in the other, this episode is for you.

🎧 Listen now and bargue with us later.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Arguments is recorded in front of a live studio audience.
What's up, everybody, Welcome into another edition of Arguments once again.
I'm your host Dan Levy. Hey is Joe Philippo, and
we are joined by a former radio giant, now podcast legend,
SDR Show and part of the GAS. I don't have

(00:23):
to say it's a giant. Is that a podcast network?

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Is that what it is? Ralph? Good research on your podcast. Yeah.
So GAS Digital is a podcast network. We have about
fifteen shows on the network get about five million listeners
a week. GAS stands for Gomez and Sutton. I am
Ralph Sutton. My business partner is Lewis J. Gomez, and
we thought it sounded better than SAG, so we went

(00:45):
with GAS.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Ralph Sutton, thanks for going on the podcast. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Bud, no worries, Yeah, not at all. And I did
radio for a very long time. I had a rock
radio show called The Tour Bus and it was on
about one hundred stations syndicated nationally from nine ninety nine
to twenty sixteen, and at twenty fourteen I started the
podcast The SDR Show, Sex, Drugs and Rock and Roll
Show with a comedian named Big Jay Oakerson. We did
it for about ten years together and then recently his

(01:11):
schedule just got a little too chaotic and I brought
on a new co host named Dub David af.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
The tour bus was that ever on in Chicago?

Speaker 2 (01:19):
It was on, Yeah, it was on with it right
outside Chicago, that station WIIL, I think it is, Oh okay, Yeah,
we were on out there, and then I think we
might've been on Chicago for a hot minute as well.
You know, I mean, you're in radio, so you would
know this. But like what happens every time a new
program director, at least back then, would come in, they
would try to shake stuff up, so we're going to

(01:40):
change the programming, so we'd be on every week was
a state of flux. That's why we say about one
hundred stations. I think our max was like one oh four,
and then our lead lowesst was like you know, as
we grew with maybe like eighty. When we stopped the network,
I don't remember, but you know, it was a long
time ago. We stopped in twenty fourteen, so over ten
years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
All right, Well, I got a really dumb question for you,
but it's one that I think that a lot of
radio people even now would like to know how did
you start syndicating yourself like that? I mean, everybody in
radio is always how do I, how do I? If
I have an idea, how do I make it? And
how do ivery this? Wild? I will tell you this.
So I started. We did a show.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
At the original time of the show was called Modern Classics,
and the idea was my version of classic rock. Because
I'm fifty five now and so we're going back. I
was thirty something and they were still playing led Zeppelin
and the doors were classic rock when I was seventeen,
and it was classic rock when I was thirty, and
it just makes no sense. It's still a classic rock

(02:37):
down and so it's still a classic rock cause this day,
which is insane. But so I started a show called
Modern Classics. It was on for two hours on a
station in the middle of nowhere, New Jersey, from ten
to midnight on Sundays. And I really cliff Noted got
the job because I was a strip club DJ and
I met another strip club DJ who was a radio DJ,
and he got me an audition. That's how that started.

(02:58):
And then we did well. We moved to the number
one rock station in Jersey called WDHA, and I started
looking around and I saw discarded CDs of potential syndicated
shows that my program director had passed on. So I
took them all and mocked our show to look like
that in terms of a like a leaflet, to put

(03:19):
like a one sheet to promote the show, and I
sent the show to all of those companies that were
trying to get on my shut on my radio station,
pretending that we were a show looking for a new
syndicator home, which was total bullshit, you know, And I'm sorry,
I don't curse on this place broadcasting only because just
because I know you did radio, I don't know if
you multipurpose this. But anyway, so we eventually heard back

(03:43):
from a couple of companies and sided and signed with one.
And the first like three or four months, I didn't know.
I was so new to radio, like I'd only been
doing radio for like four or five months, and I
didn't know there was a difference between being syndicated and
being syndicatable. So we were available, but who the hell
is taking a show by some jackass in New York

(04:03):
that you've never heard of? So we weren't getting on
any other stations, and this company was taking a big
flyer for us because they were putting us up in
the satellite and nobody was taking us. So then me
and my coach. The show was Saturday nights at that
time from eight to midnight. We moved to eight to midnight.
After the show on midnight, we drove to Miami, from

(04:25):
New Jersey to Miami, all the way down listening to
the radio and if anybody was playing anything remotely on
brand with what we played. We were eighties rock. So
they're playing ACDC, the playing Guns and Roses, the're playing
def Leppard. We'd write down the station and the city
we were in. We get to Miami, we stayed there
for two three days. We called all those stations, We

(04:45):
set up about nine meetings. We snaked our way back
up the East coast and came back in a week
with five affiliates. Wow, that we did on our own.
Our syndication company couldn't get us one in three months.
We got five in a week, and we made it
back just in time to start the show again the
following Saturday, and then we started the syndication. That's a

(05:07):
hustle right there. Yeah, it was wild. That is.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
That is amazing because I also the question I was
always have, how would you even know how much to
charge these people to pay you to it.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
We had a syndication company, so we use them as
godsiness model and the basic business model then and again,
think this a long time ago. There was about a
certain amount of commercials per hour. Right. So let's say
at the time, I think it was fourteen minutes an hour, right,
which is still disgusting that a quarter of an hour
was commercials whatever. But we would own the first four

(05:37):
minutes and they would get the other ten.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
So you have but you still have to go sell
it or the syndicating company.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Would pay you to have it, would sell their ten right,
and we would sell our four nationwide. Interesting, very cool,
and so we got to keep the four they got
the ten. It's something along those lines. It would an
EBB and flowed the so it's.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
More or less a revenue share of how.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
You attet it a bartering system, so that's how we
you know, and they would be getting in theory a
show with bigger guests, better quality, and then in a turn,
they got to sell the bulk of the ads. The
other story that's really funny. We were in Jersey. We
weren't getting a lot of big guests. We couldn't get
big guests right, we were We had no listener base. Really,
we were in Jersey. I found a store that was

(06:19):
selling discarded interview CDs with rock stars right, abouns, n'
roses whatever. I edited out the answers and then I
asked the questions, so hey, tom Bojoey, what is it like?
And I played the clip and people thought we had
all these big fuckings that is straight. And so that's

(06:42):
how we got a little bit of a name for ourselves. Dude. Also,
this part's illegal, but we would give away tickets to
shows that we didn't have, and then we just put
all the phone lines on busy and then we'd say,
hey Johnny and blah blah blah, just one front row ticket.
It was total bullshit. I always felt like if we
got busted, I would just buy a pair of tickets
and tell them, no, no, know, this is a guy who

(07:03):
have a goot tickets for.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
That is the radio genius stories that I love hearing.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
That is amazing. Last part I'll tell you you know,
we were on a satellite and then that company, I
forget what year this was. The satellite was in decaying orbit,
as all satellites are, and it was coming out of
the sky, and they were trying to get everyone to
switch over to a different satellite, which was ridiculously much
more expensive. We couldn't afford it. They couldn't afford it

(07:29):
based on our listenership at the time, so they said
we had to they were going to let us go.
So I reached out to all the stations and switched
us to CD delivery, and I think we lost one
or two stations, but most of them were okay with
CD delivery. But at the time, the CD WOUD machine,
the one to eight duplicator, was like ten thousand dollars,

(07:50):
and I didn't have ten thousand dollars. So what did
I do? I went online. I found schematics on how
to build a one to eight CD burner, how to flash,
how to solder it all together, and I bought all
the equipment and built it for one thousand dollars and
then just started delivering this to CD on all the stations.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
You're kidding, I was gonna say, you are the most
forward thinking entrepreneur I've ever heard.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
In our visits. And then eight years later I sold
that CD thing for two thousand dollars, so I made
a profit on it. Eight years later when we went
to digital delivery, so elon before elon.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
A So then tell me how the transition went from
that to now podcast and that kind of side of it.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
So the radio show kind of blew up, you know.
We were on about one hundred stations, and it led
to me hosting a lot of music events and like
concerts around the country, like the Sturgis Rally, the M
three Festival, and a bunch of others. And then got
a job part time on MTV and VH one is
like a host you know, wow. And then this thing
called ship rocked, which was a music crew, and I

(08:54):
was their host for ten years. Right. I stepped down
at fifty because I felt like, I said to them,
you know, there's some twenty five year old kid that
would give their right arm to host this thing, and
I'm doing it out of a sense of obligation, Like
I didn't want to do it anymore. So I stepped
down five years ago. But first ten years I hosted
shiprock and on year three they asked me, do you

(09:15):
know anyone that would be a good comic for ship rock.
And I said, yeah, I know this dude, he's like
a rock comic. I met him on my radio show
and I brought it. I said, you should call him,
so they reached out to him. His name is Big
Ja Okerson and Big Jay did the comedy on the
boat on the third or fourth year and he says
to me, Hey, this Jay. You know I have a
thing called a podcast. It's been going well. It's called

(09:36):
Legion of Skanks and it's starting to build a following.
And I said, he goes, would you want to do
a podcast together? And I said, honestly, I don't mean
to be a jerk, but podcasting is for people that
can't do radio. This was eleven years ago, right, And
he goes, all, I appreciate it, thanks anyway, but we
stay friends whatever. And then over the course of that year,
I heard so much about podcasting that I was like,

(09:58):
you know what. Next year, I was hosting again, he
was on comic again. They had put us on a
bunch of events together and we made each other's laugh
and I said, you know, fuck it, dude, let's try
a podcast, right, and he goes, what are we going
to call it? And I was going to do a
morning show called Sex, Drugs and Rock and Roll a
few years prior, but the money was shitty, so I
didn't do it. But the concept was at the time

(10:18):
I was going to go out at night and party,
and whoever is still with me at five in the
morning was going to come do the radio show with me.
That was the idea. But so it was called sex
Shrugs and I had the logo whatever, and I said,
he goes, what are we going to call it? I
sent them the logo and he goes, perfect, let's do it.
And we just started recording in my house, which is
where I am now. I was doing the radio show
at the time. So whoever was coming to do the

(10:39):
radio show, which at the time was in my apartment,
I would say, dude, hang out because radio interviews says,
you know, we're fucking ten minutes long at Mont, you know,
and you're going to use four of those minutes if
you're lucky. So I'd say, come hang out. After the
radio interview, we'll do a podcast. Most of them were like, well,
what the hell's that. We built up a library of
like eight or ten of.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Them it's an interview after an interview. It's an interview
after the interview.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah, exactly, exactly that. And then after about eight of them,
there's a rock band from the eighties called Living Color,
and the singer is sure Corey Glover is a friend
of mine, and he says, hey, man, what happened to
that thing I did like two months ago? Like, when
is that coming out? I'm like, yeah, I should probably
learn how to release a podcast, because at the time
you had to build your own RSS feed. So I

(11:27):
learned how to do that. I made the website, and
it was ten years ago this past April that the
show started and it just built up from there. A
few years later we started the network, and that's where
brings us all full circle here.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
As part of the network. How many other shows do
you have on there? Do you recruit other shows? Do
people pitch themselves to you? We get pitched a lot.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
We At most at one point we had like twenty
two shows, which was a little unwieldy. Right now I
think we have fifteen or sixteen, and I don't like
to have too many more than that because they start
getting lost in the shuffle. But right now there's about
sixteen shows, and we own our own servers. We stream
live to private servers and then they come out time
delayed and edited with commercials five days later. When we

(12:09):
started the network, nobody there was no Patreon, nobody was
doing that. We were the first to do like a
paid early release. Nobody else was doing that. And that's
how it started ten like eight years ago.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Now I love it.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
And this all start out in your apartment, in my apartment. Yeah,
it's crazy. And what's funny is when we started, we
started with four podcasts. Three of them were on one day,
one was on the other. I was like, all right,
I have one crappy day at my house where people
are there. But then over the course of a few months,
we started signing other podcasts and then there was ten shows,

(12:43):
and every day there were people in my house, and
I was like, I'm gonna fucking lose my mind. Like
I would have a deal with people, like, look, you
have to be out by a certain time, and I'm
fifty five, but I'm still single, right, so I would
get the time. Let's say it was eight years ago,
is forty eight, forty seven whatever. I was coming home
on a date and I told the band that. I mean,

(13:03):
the podcast be out by nine thirty. Guys, I'm coming
home in ten, no problem. I bring a girl on
her first date back to my house and there's eight
dudes sitting in my living room and she thought she
was gonna get murdered or worse. And I was like, guys,
what the fuck you doing? Like, oh, we decided to
do a bonus episode like go fuck yourself man, like

(13:25):
this is my house. And then I told my partner,
if we don't find a studio soon, I'm gonna have
to shut it down. And we found studios and we
we've been doing it, uh in those studios now, I
think seven years.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
That is.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Did the lady friends stay? No, she did not. She's
down the podcast. She ended up blowing everybody. No, no,
she the site Drugs and rock and Roll is formed.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
I'm thinking of the opening scene from Old School. Here
for the gang Bang, yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
I'm here for the podcast.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, I'm here for the podcast.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
That is unbelievable. All right. So, in your journey of
doing all these things, you've had rock stars, porn stars.
What is the most what the fuck moment that almost
did not make it air or what has gone on
in your life that made you go, what the hell
was that?

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Well, i'll tell you what's what's funny is, first of all,
on the show. When I started it, the whole idea was,
I hate to sound cliche, but you know, as I
don't know how old you guys are, but the barometer
that all else are compared to was Howard Stern, right,
And I thought of my was like, what would we
do if Howard had no rules and we could get

(14:33):
away with anything. I didn't want to be all sex.
I wanted to do sex, drugs, and rock and roll.
I wanted to legitimately bring on comedians, rock stars, porn stars,
interesting people to talk to, so we would mix it up,
you know. And I tend to never edit the show
whatever happens happening.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
On the same way, I do not edit this show
in the least bit.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
The only time I do is if someone says to me,
I can't have that air. Yeah, yeah, I said something,
so that will tell I would say.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
That's one of the few martial laws of podcasts, Like, hey,
I said a name that's not supposed to be said, Yeah,
I will take it. I discussed it. I discussed something
that could give me in trouble.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
But the wildest things, for sure. And I've talked about
these a couple of times, so I apologize to anyone
to turn these stories before. But drugs, there are no
drug stars, you know, so you can't really bring on
I mean, I guess Charlie Sheen, but that's about it,
you know, as far as someone who's a famous drug addict,
you know, so and I don't do any drug that
had never done any drugs, so there's not much you

(15:30):
can do in that world. My co host at the time,
Jay would smoke weed and we'd drink, but that's not,
you know, for most people, not what you'd consider drugs.
And I always were just leaning to the fact that
it was just a fucking name. It's a common term,
it's a very rock it's a very rock name. It's
a set the stage of what you're listening to, right.
But I made an offhanded mark remark if we have

(15:54):
a broken million listeners, I'll start I'll try a drug
on the show, And that led to once a year,
trying a drug on the show. Wow, six different times,
and all of them real, like not bullshit. I hated
them all, but those are crazy moments. Especially with the
fact that I also started a health and wellness podcast,

(16:17):
which is hilarious. So the same week when I was
turned fifty, I thought it would be funny to snort
cocaine off of a porn star's ass for my fiftieth
birthday on the air was the same week I was
planning the episode on meditation for the Good Sugar podcast,
And so that was a moment of like, well, what
the fuck am I doing? Right?

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Ooh, who was the barn Star?

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Oh, I don't remember. It's five years ago. Now I
couldn't tell you. But I've tried Ruggs and I mean
we've done We really pushed the envelope on the show,
like especially now it's a little harder as I'm fifty five.
It does feel weirder, but we did, Like Jay and
I went on, we had a contest of who's Jiz
Wade more right? We did a contest on hiring one

(17:03):
hundred dollars and one thousand dollars escort and if you
get blindfolded blow jobs, which one would you pick? When
you take out the looks and you take out the
anything else. It was just we got our blindfolds on
headphones on and got one minute blowjobs and then had
to pick which one you like better. We both picked
one hundred dollar girl. But you know we've done We've

(17:25):
done go down on a girl contest and see which
one she liked better. We've done ridiculous things. We just
had a clip go viral we did with Shane Gillis
a few years ago where three girl we called it
Smell My Finger, and three girls played with themselves. We
smelled each girl's finger. Then we got blindfolded, and then

(17:45):
they did it again and we had to see who
could correctly identify the girl. Where are you coming up
with these ideas? I have a lot of mental problems.
But then the other side of this is we've had
Mark Cuban on, We've had Neil deGrasse Tyson on. You know,
we've had like real people on there. And then you
throw in this like I just and I find it

(18:06):
hilarious that you were just enlightened by Questions of Life
by Neil deGrasse Tyson And then you watched the blow
of Yoki episode, which was which one of us lasted
longer in a karaoke duet while we were getting blowjobs,
Like just dumb.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Shit, You know, so that to me, like where do
I where do I apply to be a part of
this network?

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Mast Yeah, And it was just all about that. I
always feel you should never be I be able to
identify yourself or describe yourself in one sentence, Like you
should have different facets to your personality. There should be
different things that make you who you are. And that's me.
I love music, I love comedy, I like being an idiot,
and I'm I also run thirty miles a week and

(18:46):
try to be healthy and eat well, you know. So
it's fun to have all those different aspects to your life.

Speaker 4 (18:53):
So I guess it's safe to say that you you
enjoyed stepping out of the radio limelight into the podcast
because you not be able to do anything.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
We've did a lot of things, but nothing that bad.
But what I think is the I mean radio, And
I'm sorry to say this, but radio does not matter anymore.
It just doesn't, you know. It's not where it was
I wish it would be. I think that radio made
a lot of mistakes. I think they could still be relevant,
but they're not right. But what I miss there is
nothing like this, which is when we were live on

(19:24):
I think The most stations we were on when we
were live was about fifty, right, So when you're live
doing radio on fifty stations across the country and you
know what's happening is only happening once. There's never going
to be a record of it, and it's there or
you miss it. That was a wild energy that doesn't
happen anymore. You know, it can't happen anymore. I mean

(19:48):
even most radio shows aren't even if they are syndicated nationally,
they're not live, you know, they're certainly, So it's just
that energy I miss. And also there was something fun
about trying to figure out how to do things with
a sensor to get away with something. It's fun when
you could just say fuck shit cockpitts like it loses

(20:10):
it's it's uh.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
It loses it fast. I uh, my buddies and I
we were one of the few people to get a
show on the Howard Stern channel in twenty eleven, and
it was on the serious one on one. It was
the Ape Cannon Show. And I remember having like we
all had the conversation like an actual you know, group
phone call with our boss, Tim Sabian, and I remember
him saying, welcome to the Howard's CTERN channel. There's just

(20:33):
one rule you can't break. Nothing can be penetrated. No penetration.
That was our one rule. And I remember for about
an hour and a half to two hours we were
trying to figure out how would we even if we
wanted to do something like that, What would we even do?
We could really figure it out. You just smashed through
about seven of those. I would have been like, that
would have been a great idea.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
We did this thing once where I it was we
got five dudes to come in that were of different races, right,
and then a girl agreed to get blindfolded and blow
each guy. And for every guy she correctly identified their race,
just based on a ten second oral, she would get
one hundred bucks and if she got all five right,
she got double the money. And we called it International

(21:16):
Street Meet.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Oh my, And how'd she do?

Speaker 2 (21:22):
She didn't know better than chance. I think she had
two or three right. But the funniest thing was one
of the guys was a former intern now producer on
the network. He was the first to go. He was
the white guy, and she went first with him, and
she said, I think this is the black guy, so
he liked. They weren't allowed to talk, but he like
visually was thrilled. Oh I bet that she thought he

(21:43):
was weak of it. After she did all of them,
she was allowed to go back and reassess. Oh wow,
if she went back to him, she goes, I changed
my mind. I think he's the Asian guy, which was
could not be better. That a great moment on the podcast.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
As far as all the things that you've done on
that the ridiculous challenges bats all stuff, is there one
that you would not do again? We're like, you know what,
that was a dumb one.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Well, I mean I've done thinks that. There's all these
things I would never do in real life, you know,
like I don't like doing I don't do drugs, but
for the show, I'll do it. Like I would never
do a drug again. I hate them all. I'm not
made for drugs. I you know, I don't like that
the girl's peeing in our mouths. I wouldn't do that
one again. That wasn't fun. Getting our prostage checked on

(22:26):
the air while Jay and I were in a loving
embrace was not fun. You know, there are things that
I will do because I think it's good for the show.
It doesn't mean I want to do it, but like
generally I wouldn't say no to things if the only
time I said no we were in this room is
before we moved into the studios. Jay would always have
the way of taking it one step further, Like I

(22:47):
would come up with an idea, and then he would
figure out a way to make it even worse. So
his idea was a girl that was coming in and
she was a porn star who specialized in like scatological porn,
you know, like involving shitting, And so he wanted the
girl to ship in our hands and us high five
each other. So I will do it on one condition,

(23:13):
we do it at your house, not my house. And
then he changed his mind, so we didn't do it
not my house. I don't want to have to be
cleaning shit off the walls. The contest of whose jiz
weighed more. The punishment was you had to take the
winner's jis, pour it in your hands and use it

(23:35):
like soap. And he lost Jay and he had to
do that. He almost threw up.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
That would be awful. Is there a celebrity or person
that you've interviewed where you went you know what, this
person I thought was gonna be awesome, And.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
It's an interesting mix of back and forth. There's been
countless times where I thought I would hate the person
and love them, and thought I would love the person
and hated them. I mean that happens more often than
you'd think. I'm sure you know that too. You know,
to come in with such ideas that you think something
wid that you, Oh, this person's gonna be great, or

(24:08):
this person canna be an asshole. I'll tell you an
example that sticks out. The girl that does the voice
on Rick and Morty. She's she does the sister, the Sister.
She's also Fraser Crane's daughter. What the hell's her name
and names escaping in real life? Yeah, what's Fraser Crane's
real name? Gar Spencer Grammar. That's the daughter.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Oh, I didn't realize that was his daughter.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yeah. She plays the the Rinco and Morty, the Rick
and Morty girl, the sister Summer. She plays Summer right,
and I had watched a couple of interviews with her
This is We did a Zoom episode which was during
the pandemic, and she just came off horrible. I thought,
oh my god, but it's a big show. The season
was starting, like, let's bring her on, and we bring

(24:53):
her on and she's awesome. She was so much fun
and at the end of the episode, I said, I
gotta tell you, you know, you seemed awful. And then like
the episode that she picked that I told she was
like drunk and hungover, and it was the first thing
that'd come up and ever and it changed like I
would just could not have been more off about her, right,

(25:14):
And then what's funny is and I've talked about the
three times, so no big deal. But after the show
was done, I said to my co host, I'm like,
I feel like she fucking liked me, and he goes,
you're fucking nuts, right, And I just dmd her on
Instagram And we ended up going out on a couple
of dates, which is hilarious and it's so funny. That's funny.
And another one was a bad I can't think of
the name now, but I was shitting on them so

(25:35):
badly after the interview because they came off like such
assholes and they were so much fun on our show
that they ended up calling that those people and took
the YouTube video down because it was the first result
you'd see and they came off like assholes. I was like,
I almost pulled the plug on this interview because you
seem like such jerk offs, and they but you're nice,

(25:57):
and then they ended up getting that interview taken down,
which I think it's funny. See.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
The thing I've always I found interesting. I've been in
radio and over twenty five years, and the podcasting stuff.
I've been in the space since about two thousand and seven,
but only until the last couple of years I started
doing those arguments one and I would say for a
good chunk of it, I've always shot when comedians come
on and they're not the way they are on stage,
and when they're when you're going back and forth of them,

(26:21):
I've always been like, that's interesting. I always saw the
comedians would be more. I've only had one or two
that were like, well, I can't keep up with that guy.
That one's really good.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Younger generation of comedians are much more who they are
on stage right the older generations that stage persona was
different than the real person.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Yes, and a lot.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Of that's been a that's a generational shift that I've
noticed because I came up with that. My mom used
to book comedy clubs in New York. So she got
a club in New York called The Upstairs a Green Street,
and like I saw Chris Rock, Ray Romano, all these
people that were that became huge. I was it was
cheaper than a babysitter. So it was thirteen watching these

(27:01):
comedians at a club in New York when I was
a kid, and a lot of them were different than
they were on stage and off stage. But nowadays, like
you take like a to bring them up again, like
a Shane Gillis or a Dan Soder or any of
these guys that are like the younger younger their forties,
but still the younger generation, not the other. They're very
much who they are on and off right. It's almost
as if they know how to play that part of

(27:22):
the game. The older generation.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
I've kind of found it to be more or less
like if you call them like this podcast used to
get done a lot earlier in the day. A lot
of times those guys were you know, they would they
wouldn't even wake up till one o'clock in the afternoon.
So if they got up earlier for my podcast, you
could tell they were like, wait, what show is this?
What do you got what we're doing? Weird questions and
I would throw like a random what would you rather
or mount rushmore and they're like, I don't know, I

(27:46):
don't know a lot.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Of I definitely feel it's not as much of it,
and also the amount of At the end of the
SDR Show, we ask about your first experience with sex,
drugs and rock and roll? First Country went to first
rugg you did first time you had sex? And the
old only people that ever gave me pushback on that
are rock stars, really ever? Anyone else? And I'm like, oh,
my wife's gonna hear this. I'm like, does your wife
think you were a virgin when you met? What the

(28:09):
fuck are you talking about? Or they'll say, oh, I
can't be associated with a show that says sex, drugs
and rock and roll. I'm like, it's in your game
as well, Yeah, idiots, Sorry Slash. It's just a sign
of the times. People are so worried about image. If
I could go back in time, I would never have
called the show sex, drugs and rock and roll because
it fucks our algorithm up. We have to just say

(28:30):
the SDR show it just we We got Shadow Band
on YouTube. We were going from like ten twenty thousand
on an average episode to like fifty, Oh my god,
fifty fifty because we started getting banned on YouTube because
of the content.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
I was gonna say, it's interesting that the kind of
content you were doing that just goes out into the ether.
You don't know who's gonna watch it, who's gonna find it.
If it was done on live radio, if you were
on serious extent, it would be the most legendary of things.
But when you throw it out there in the ether world,
and unless you have Shane Gillis being one of the
guys that's getting blown, sometimes it's just going to get

(29:06):
lost in that shovel. So it's interesting to see what
the algorithm would pick up. Because what I was, we
were googling you, we were researching you. None of that
stuff came up. Otherwise these questions would have been a
lot more entertaining. No, it's fine.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
It's also that now we know it's part of the
pitch to join the network because we can't put that
stuff out anymore. So we if you want to see
the wild shit, you got to subscribe. You know that
is awesome.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
Is it easier or more difficult now? To book guests,
say when you first started, I.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Mean, does one. It's easier in the sense that the
show is somewhat known, you know, we were not in
the last like ten years. I'd say seven of them,
we were in the top two hundred of podcasts, you know.
But so that makes it somewhat easier. But if they
go and look and see that a porn star was
on a lot of the times they will walk away

(29:59):
and they say no because they don't want to be
affiliated with a porn star. But I would say, in general,
booking a show, and I'm sure you guys know this too,
it's a fucking tap dancing routine to try and figure
out not only who's good for the show, who you
want to speak to, who can do it when you
want to do it, you can record it when they
want to do it. We probably have twenty balls up

(30:19):
in the air every month until we land on the
four to six episodes that we need to record every month.
That's wild how difficult it is.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
It is funny that you mentioned that, because that kind
of the way I actually found you was that somebody
I know that worked for the Stern Channel reached out
to me and said, I started this website where we
can connect people, and I just said, you know, he goes,
did you want me to do it?

Speaker 2 (30:40):
For it?

Speaker 1 (30:40):
But like, yeah, it's arguments, you know, looking for comedians,
radio people, celebrities, blah blah blah. I got pitched so
many people that I was like, this is these are
terrible And then a couple of people they were like,
I can do it, but it has to be Monday
morning at nine am, and I'm like, that's impossible. And
then I got one for you, and I was like,
at least I've heard of you. That's the first one
I've heard of.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
That's funny. You know what's funny is that that's how
we ended up. It took us two years to book
mark Cuban, right, And how I found out was Friday,
like a Thursday or Friday night, at like eight pm,
I get a text message saying Mark and do it
tomorrow morning at nine am if that works. I'm like, well, fuck, yeah,
I guess that works well. And I could not find
a co host. No comic was willing to get up

(31:22):
at eight thirty in the morning, you know, so I
did it by myself. It was just me and Mark
for an hour. And you know, so things like that
will happen sometimes, Like we just had akon on and
that came up last minute, like and they only wanted
to give us twenty minutes. I was like, I can't
do a twenty minute interview. I just can't. It's got
to be at least forty minutes because of the way

(31:42):
the show was structured, you know. And then they find
their response was funny. They said, it's fucking Acon, dude,
He's a legend. I don't what to tell you. And
I said, I agree with you, but I can't do it,
and then they came back to forty minutes.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
I should footnote this out of it is somebody like
Mark Cuban, I will do it at whatever time they wanted.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
But if it's I just can't Eric because we have
to do two commercial books in the hour. And what
if it's Eric the improv guy, like you know, in
someplace in Poughkeepsie. I'm not going to do it at
nine am for his liking. But if it's Mark human right,
God have at it. I've also found out that, even
even just for me in radio, whenever someone says, hey,
we can only do twenty minutes of it, that person
likes what they're doing, no one is stopping them from

(32:22):
budging out it, especially if it's as I have a
story for that. So years ago, I was doing radio
and I was interviewing Sammy Hagar right, And as I'm
walking into the interview room, the publicist says, you got
twenty minutes. I said, cool, no problem, We're doing our interview.
It was my first time meeting Sammy, and we uh

(32:44):
just get along whatever reason we get along, and uh
it is like maybe my second year in radio. And
as it's like eighteen minutes, I start wrapping up the
interview because I know we got to stop at twenty
and he goes, oh, wait, no, He's like, I'm having fun.
We could go longer. Oh I was told twenty minutes,
and he said, no, no, we got He looks at
his publicist he goes, we could go longer, right, and

(33:04):
the publicist gives him a thumbs up. Yeah, so we
go thirty minutes. Great. I wrap up and leave it
as he goes, that was great. Great, and the PUBLICI goes, ah,
that was great. And as soon as we're out of
earshot of Sammy, the publicier says, I told you twenty minutes.
You just fucked my whole day. You are never going
to get one of my guests, one of.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
My Are you serious?

Speaker 2 (33:27):
I said, I didn't know because I told you twenty minutes.
And then for years we never got Sammy again. And
then he switched publicists and we did. But ever since then,
whatever they tell me, that's the time I give. And
very often I'll get emails why'd you stop the interview?
Why did you like you're Why is Ralph always ending
the show? I'm like, well, if I'm told we have
thirty minutes or we have whatever forty minutes, I keep

(33:49):
it at that. You know, it just makes life easier.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
So there was a time back in college when Dan
and I were doing our college station and I hit
him up. I'm like, Dan, Tom Rhold's going to be
at whatever bar filming the best Damnce Portraal college station.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
We have no idea what we're doing. We're just trying
to figure it out.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
We go and Dan somehow gets the number of the publicists.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Do you remember, Oh? I remember?

Speaker 1 (34:13):
That was that was when I started becoming a How
do I book a guest?

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (34:17):
And for two weeks went back and forth and all
of a sudden, the public says, yeah, he can come
on tonight. We're like, well, shoot, this is the night
that we actually are airing our show live. You know,
it's not a podcast, so like, heck, yeah, let's doo.
We made it seem like we're some major radio station.
We're just a stupid little college show.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Come on. It was.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
It was I remember vividly because you said we went
in the bar, we were drinking, we were hanging out
the whole time. And then I went right to the
publicist and I was like, how do we you know,
we work for a radio station, Coga, how do we
get him on? And I would say almost every day
I was talking to this lady about this one little,
one little interview we got and it was actually a
pretty good interview. But I remember being like, oh my god,

(34:59):
I don't know if I get deal with this for
the rest of my career, and just having to like
hound people like this, and then all of a sudden,
it just happens.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
A lot of people just by dming on Instagram. We booked,
and the ideas like seeing people you think are gonna
be get big, like Mark Ribble who became huge. He
did my show because I saw him on YouTube and
he ended up becoming He was a nobody at the time, say,
being with jelly Roll, you know, like I saw him
early on. We DMed him and he said, yeah, come on,
you know, and then he blew the fuck up. So
it's a mixture of finding people that are big and

(35:27):
then finding people you think might get big, and doing
this like I always will look up if a band
is pitched or a comic or whatever. I don't look
and see how many followers I have first. I look
and see do I like them first, and then decide
a great way to look at it.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
It's that time. Well, the podcast, the margument, so everybody
pretty much comes forward, but out here I don't know
if I even need to do any arguments. You've answered
way more what would you rather said? I could even
put together on a list, but I somehow got a
few left over for you. But so we're gonna just
throw someones at you. They don't have to make sense.

(36:14):
It's just stupid questions and arguments that we can go
back and forth on, and we just want your opinion
if that's okay with you.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Sure you know what's funny By the way. When I
was first told about the show, I assumed it was
done at a bar.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Soon soon we are actually ramping up for that. We
argue doing some live shows soon. But to be honest,
this is an idea I've had for a podcast, a
radio segment for so long that I was just you
know what, if I'm gonna do this, I wanted to
rotate the third person and just arguments and things you
would do at a bar, So for me, it'd be
just made for a fun time. But very soon Joe

(36:48):
and I will take this show on the road. So
for the first argument we're gonna throw at you, let's
give you this one. The Mount Rushmore the top four
of the most iconic radio podcast voices ever, excluding our own,
of course, who would you put as the most iconic
radio podcast voices of all time?

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Obviously Howard is number one, because if you do a
podcast or a radio show of any kind that involves
a girl in a sexuality way, they will always say, oh,
like Howard Stern. Yes, nobody would say that I'm going
to be a movie producer. You'd be like, oh, like
you know, Quentin Tarantino. No one says that, you know,
but yes, only in radio of any sign, Howard is

(37:30):
probably number one and number two.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
He is the barometer and the measuring stick that I
think every radio show and podcaster kind of goes, where
would it stand with that?

Speaker 2 (37:41):
And then for me, as far as people that stick
out that really affected me, I'm going by affected me,
it's Opie and Anthony because they were the only radio
team that I actually one time sat in my car.
I used to be a strip club DJ, and I
was sitting outside.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
I did that once. I did that one what I
did the strip club DJ once and then when I
went outside, the boss got fired before I even got done.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
But go on, I did it for ten years. But
I was sitting outside the strip club waiting for a
bit to end, which had never done that before. And
then to become friends with Anthony years later, and we
were the first guests on his when he started his
he got fired from Sirius and started his other thing.
Jay was the first guest of the I think that

(38:27):
week that's awes and it came from me not knowing them,
emailing them and saying come on our podcast and talk
about what happened. And then his I forget the guy's
name that was like running his shit, wrote back, if
Jay will come on the podcast on his show, he'll
come on yours. So we drove out to Long Island
and did that, and that's that'd be number I guess

(38:49):
do you put Opening Anthony in two? And three?

Speaker 1 (38:51):
I'll give you two though, that that duo was so
I mean, they were probably one of the only ones
that took it to Howard as well. They were the
ones hour that on that level of competing with him.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
And then number three, I would say, because I remember
I used to listen to them driving home was Ron
and Fez. Ron Bennington, I think is a one of
the best people in radio. I don't think there's anybody
better than Ron Bennington. I think he's you.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Know, that's a name I don't know about, and I'm
going to google what we had done. Ron and Fez
look up Ron Bennington. Just fucking brilliant guy.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
And then the last one, I would say, I remember
listening to them because they be on uh radio. I'm
just I'm just doing radio. I'm not doing podcasting ten
million podcasts. I used to think there's no way someone
is this funny. He is being handed info ahead of time.
But then you know, he came on my show. I've

(39:46):
done his show a few times and he's done mine,
and he is just that quick. It's Adam Carolla, even
though I'm don't necessarily.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Corolla is one of the best radio guests in the
history of radio guests. Yeah, that I would say, And
you know what, just to be on the safe side,
we can just do radio personalities. It's fine by me
because I mean, if you're gonna do podcast, there's only
one guy that would be iconic, and that's Joe Rogan.
And he can have all he can have all four
heads on that one. That guy, that guy.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
And this is not I'm not throwing shade at Joe Rogan.
I've just never made it through a three hour podcast.
I can't. I just can't do it. I don't know
how it does him so long.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
You know what, But when you only do it once
a week and it's the people that he wants to
talk to.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Still, I don't care. There's nobody I want to talk
to for three hours and he works out with them
for like two hours before then. But you know what's funny,
I give you a quick Joe Rogan story. Joe has
rented our studios once or twice Wow for free when
he's in New York. I think twice. I could be
wrong on that. But when I was in LA, this
is like probably seven years ago after he used our studios,

(40:50):
he really liked these little pop up things that I
have on the table. If you looked at their flush,
but if you pop it up, it's the plug in
the headphones, has a cough button, a dial for volume,
and then you could plug in USB source and it'll
come up on that thing.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
It's like a bouncing and open up and you like,
it's just import yeah, right, And it had our logo on.
It was really cool.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
I found the company and got it made, and his
producer reached out to me and said, Joe really liked those.
Can you tell me where to get them? And I
told him where to get them. He has them in
a studio now. But I'm in LA and he calls Lewis,
Jimmy James. Jamie called Lewis and said, hey, we have
these boxes, and he said, do you can you show
us how they work?

Speaker 4 (41:31):
It?

Speaker 2 (41:31):
I was. I went to the studios before he moved
to Austin. Wow, and I'm looking like, guys, you are
the number one podcast in the world. Do you not
have an audio guy plugging this in? Like you need
me to show you this? That's fucking crazy, and like, yeah,
we just don't know how to do it.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
That was before the one hundred million dollars a year,
we'll give you that.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
One was making. He still was they had the money
to hire a fucking audio guy anyway.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Joe, Joe, Jojo? Who would be on your mount rushmore
of radio voices?

Speaker 4 (41:59):
You know you should love growing up Lou Brutus speaking
of syndication because he was was on the.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Old rock one of three five in Chicago back in
the day.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
I know he's kind of been bounced around over the years,
but Stern always going to be on there.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
He's always the.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
Measuring stick for any podcast radio show. I mean that
goes without saying it was a Cavino. What it was
a Rich Cavino. I'm drawing a blank. Got his first name.
He's on XM for rock show, and then also on
XM there's a guy on a country show, Buzz Brainer,
because he does a show on Fridays down in Nashville

(42:33):
at Barberittaville. I would always love to go do that,
but he always seems to be pretty entertaining. He's kind
of more on the back end of it. But the
other three. I used to love Lou Brutus as a kid.
He got yeah because he used to do man he
used to have jokes segments, so he was really really good.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Loved it.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
I don't know, you don't know. He was a syndicating
guy too. I would also, I would. I would definitely
put on Howard Stern. I think that one's universally done
by both of them, by.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
All of us.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Number two I would probably put on Casey Casem because
that guy, that guy was not only like just the
giant countdown guy, he was the voice of Shaggy. I mean,
that guy was everywhere. And even now that guy is
still syndicated dead, he's got more of a syndication following
on Sirius XM and they, oh, they are constantly rerunning

(43:25):
that guy. So he is number three for me or
number two and number two I should say, uh, number three,
and I would. I've had this argument a bunch of times,
and I've said it before, and even I've taught radio classes.
I've taught a bunch of stuff, and I've always told
my audience, if you're gonna do radio or podcasting. The
best radio personality of all time, Howard Surtin is the

(43:47):
best interviewer. I would give him that. I loved him
and he was so cool with us. Rush Limbaught is
number one. Hate him or like him?

Speaker 2 (43:55):
I was.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
I was a creative director for a station out here
in Chicago WLS where I would have to use his
audio for what that was. But I've never heard of
a personality within six seconds of opening a show either
pissed off or made his audience fall in love with him.
He instantly got into it. There was no filler, no guests,
no callers for two hours. And if it was a guest,

(44:18):
it was Donald Trump, it was whoever that main person was.
And he was so calculated, so perfect, and he was
before social media. That guy got himself on NFL and
Fox made a racial issue. And then Boom was the
most viral guy when being viral wasn't even a thing.

(44:39):
That was where that guy was in terms of that one.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
And then I will tell you this. Let me interrupt
you and say the cool thing about and this says
no shade in the world of podcasting, but the cool
thing about a pre social media world when jobs were
handed out to the select few, the people that made
it in those g were usually usually there because they

(45:03):
were the best at what they did. Yes, you know, yes,
absolutely becase and also you know, you could get into
the whole racial disparity or gender disparity. Sure like there
is Sure there were a lot of people that were
phenomenal that were never heard from because of reasons. Maybe
they were gay, and that was right for whatever the fuck.
But regardless of that, the people that did make it

(45:25):
were great at what they did. No way to do that,
and that's what it is.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
If Rush Limbaugh was was the other way around him,
he was a liberal guy, he would have nailed that too.
He just knew what to say, how to say it,
and how to deliver it in such a it's a
bait right there. You clicked on it. You couldn't help yourself.
And even if you hated the guy, You're like, I
got to hear where he's going to go with this,
and from a production guy, taking his audio and making

(45:49):
promos out of it was the easiest job I'd ever
had until Donald Trump came along, and those ra even
easier because that guy was just shooting in the mouth
but in terms of what that was, that was the
next one I'll give. It's a hard one to do
because that person is so brand new. But Charlemagne the
God has already destroyed everything that I've ever heard on
urban radio before, and it's just completely have become the

(46:12):
Howard Stern of his of that format. He is so
worldly known, he is so accepted to the point where
he's also influencing elections just by the kind of person
that he's on, the kind of honesty that he gives,
and the following that he has. It is unbelievable, even
if you watch it with your favorite rap stars, your
favorite movie stars, the kind of connection that he has.

(46:33):
Even when he's on his who does podcasts with h
Andrew Schultz, everything he says is perfectly done in a
way in which you have to listen to him.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
But he did str a long time ago. Charlemagne and
Andrew shows you how it is. When we first started,
he called me and say, how do you set this up? Like,
how do you do like a wow? Just starting out,
which is pretty funny, and boy did they fucking blow
the fuck up. It's wild.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
All right, here's one for you, and I'm not sure
you can even answer this question because I think you've
already done this already. But if you could swap lives
with any rock star for twenty four hours, who is
it gonna be and why? So here's a question, is
it I can go back in time right now? I
will open it up and just say you can go
back anywhere in time, or you can do anybody right now?

Speaker 2 (47:18):
What am I my age? Is it like me right now?

Speaker 3 (47:21):
No?

Speaker 1 (47:21):
You are a rock star at their peak performance of
peak age of again.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
In these icons, because back then there were no rules.
There would be led Zeppelin or the Doors. It'd be
one of those guys where you know there there was
no negative stereotype to it. Although actually the girl I
think I'm gonna change it. I'm gonna go in the eighties.
I'll tell you why. I think the girls were hotter
in the eighties than the seventies. Yes, and there was
more self maintenance and care. So I'm gonna go U rhyme,

(47:51):
guns n' roses. I will do Axel Rose in nineteen
ninety one.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Ooh that one is good.

Speaker 4 (47:58):
Joey see. I would go, how do you knacko Gene Simmons,
I'll tell you why the kiss groupie was skewed more
male interesting Guns and Roses did not Guns N' Roses.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Was was, Yeah, I guess if you look at that,
I don't know. I mean he got a lot of
ass sure. I mean, Jean's done this show, Jean, Jean's
been right here in this apartment.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Yeah. And that was a funny side story on that
is my friend Craig Gass, who's a comic from I
know Craig. I've had before years ago on my radio show.
I knew him. We met through like poison or something
when I was hosting some event. We became friends and
he would call me and fuck around and pretend to
be Adam Sandler, pretend to be Geene Simmons like you
would do it all the time. And Jean was coming

(48:43):
on my old radio show once and he calls me
to go over the interview Jeane, and I thought it
was Craig, so I was being a jerk off. I'm like, hey, Geene,
how the fuck are you today? And he's like I'm fine,
And I was like, what's going on? Jack, as you know,

(49:05):
and then he's like, uh, just go on and go
over the interviewer now, and they never thought a million
years Jeene Simmons would be doing that, you know, And
so I fumbled through that and I didn't want to
tell him, hey, my friend sometimes calls and pretends to
be you, which seems worse, you know. So I fumbled
through it. And then he never did the show that night,
and I had not spoken him for like ten years

(49:27):
until he came and did the podcast ten years later,
and of course why would he remember that thing? But
I did tell him the story.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
The a somewhat of a similar story I've had with
that one. We were doing the Stern Channel stuff and
I was that's when I was able to book guess,
no problem. And I remember reaching out to now dearly
departed Larry Larry King, and I remember reaching out to
him and saying, you know, to his people, hey we
do this show, blah blah blah. And the publicist said,
you know, how much do you pay for your guest?
And I was like, ought to be honest, there is

(49:54):
no budget. We're just kind of shrinking this one along, like, well,
we appreciate it. I go, if anything should change, if
you should ever want to do it, you know, have
that it. And I told my buddy you know, you
know the host, Abe, I'll say, hey, this is Leake's
gonna happen. Be okay, you know whatever. And I went
to the grocery store and I was in the produce section.
I remember getting a number that no answer. My buddy,
Abe is really good at prank calls. He's one of
the better prank call guys in the country in radio shows.

(50:18):
And I just heard mister Levy, this is Larry King.
And I was like, oh kay, And I was like,
all right. I kind of started to mess around. Then
I figured out it was really him, and I was
just like and then for a minute there, I was like,
First of all, I went from not being able to
pay you, and second, well, okay, this is a little
bit strange. This is a little bit strange.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
And so you went with Gene Simmons of who are
you going with?

Speaker 4 (50:40):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (50:40):
For me, I'm gonna go I'm gonna go to the fifties.
I'm gonna going to Elvis Presley. Oh don't give me Elvis,
because first of all, that guy had his entire demo
was female. He was the first king of rock and roll,
and all he had to do was shake his hips
and every woman in the entire and cut tree was

(51:01):
throwing themselves at him, and that guy could mold down
man he wanted.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
He was addicted to drugs, he worked, They worked him
to death. Like so to me, she played Axel would
didn't do what the fuck you wanted to do.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
Hey, we're just talking twenty four hours, But I didn't
say what the guy's life.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Just wants his hair.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
That I would like the ability. I mean, that guy
is an icon of icon. So I mean that guy
walking around was I mean, if you were to say
to me, who's the biggest rock star between Elvis, Gene Simmons,
and and Axel Rose, Elvis Presley is number one ten
times out of ten.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Also, I think it's very telling. None of us said, well,
I do Tom Waits because I have artistic integrity and
I'd love to know what it's like.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
You know, Paul Simon was what hell of a songwriter.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
That guy was really like the you know Pollock or
some sort of artist of some sort.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
I should have I should have thrown one in there,
but like I really really enjoyed John Mayer. That guy
was really doing Tom Non stuff.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
I'd love to be able to play guitar and crew
musical epics like Neil and Neil Diamond or anyway.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
All right, so we do want to hear that's called
the chat GBT argument of the day, and this one
we're gonna throw it you as well. Would you rather
headline a sold out tour with a band you hate
or host a podcast with your eggs every week?

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Oh? Definitely tour? Who's thinking? Who's who would want to?
I mean to me, there's so much more money in that.
Why would you do? Who the fuck? Hares? We hate
each other? You just have to do the Motley Crue
thing where they'd be on separate tour buses, you know,
and they just didn't have to interact with each other
until they went on stage. That's easy, all right.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
You know what. That's probably the best argument you're gonna make,
and I have no argument against you.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Yeah, i'd say the same thing. I don't rather be
on tour.

Speaker 4 (52:43):
I mean I've seen uh was it Marilyn Manson and
Rob Zombie be segregated backstage because they don't like each
other very much? So you could avoid each other and
make a lot of money that way.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Yeah, bos, if you would have had a caveat that,
you're making the same exact amount of money. You know,
I might sit home in my underwear and do a podcast.
But my guessing is that if we're looking at the
two things, one is making you a ship ton of
money and one is not.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
That's true. Well, I don't know. If you're with your
exit you guys are fighting, she's got you a fucking
dickhead or a short dig asshole. I'd be like, you
know what, there's something to this show.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
By the way, I think I hit a little too
close to home with you. There's a specific argument.

Speaker 4 (53:26):
So you can still go on and go on stage
and have some drinks and just avoid.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
The other band. I like to narrow it. I like
to narrow down my question to you, buddy. I like
to get right into what it is that I'm looking for.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
Also, to know that feeling to go sold out every
night for a tour, that'd be unbelievable to be watching
h you know, stadium with people sing my songs or whatever.
They'd be fucking awesome. That's sure.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
That's sure. I'll give you what more to go out on,
because that was that was one we couldn't really barg
you against.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
But what would be the worst song to lose your
virginity to. Well, I'll tell you a story that checks out.
It's not that's what I lost my virginity to, but
it is a good story about having sex with a
girl with a song. I was had broken up with
my first like serious girlfriend, like you know, it's like
probably eighteen to twenty three or twenty four. We either
pay four or five years. And I was miserable. And

(54:14):
then finally I went out one night, got a little drunk,
picked up a girl, went back to we We actually
made plans to first go see I think it was
maybe the second Batman movie, right, And we're walking into
the movie theater and I all, I hear is Oh god,
and I look and it's my ex with her boyfriend
that she left me. Oh my lord, of all the
theaters in New York, you know. And we walk in.

(54:36):
Thank god, I was with a girl at least, right,
So see the movie. I'm in a bad mood. We leave,
we have a few drinks, I get drunk, We go
back to my house, we have sex, and then like
I'm sobering up a little, and I realized that the
final countdown by Europe was on. The had started again
on my playlist on my CDs CD's at the time,
and I go, oh, that's weird. The Final Countdown's playing again,

(54:59):
and she goes, it's been playing for an hour. Oh,
she thought it was my fuck song that that big
and she thought I was a lunatic. But it turned
out I was just drunk and didn't realize it. So
that's the worst song. Would be bad, Joe, do you
have one that would be the worst song?

Speaker 4 (55:20):
I don't know if I could come up with a song,
but I think something by Static Act would probably do it.
That's not bad that or maybe slip that like that
hardcore Have you met? I don't know if you could
really really get it on and something like that.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
I would think the song why Can't We Be Friends?
Would be probably the worst song. We could listen to.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
This song, I'd go, baby shark and then you tell
the girl I'm sorry. It's the only way I can
ejaculate it to that song.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
And I need we need to sing it. Uh, we
need to harmonize on that. That that one part? All right? Ralph,
thank you so much for jumping off arguments. Man. You
are a more than a pleasure. We appreciate you coming
on and taking the time.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Thanks for having me. Guys.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
This is Bargaments once again. I am Dan Levy. He
is Joe Philippo. And you can download this podcast any
platform that you want to. Go ahead and do that.
Don't forget. We're on YouTube. We have a Facebook page
where we do all kinds of arguments and it's very active.
Feel free to jump in and join in on that.
And I'm also on WGN Radio every Monday night with
John Records Landegger where we debate food. At every Friday

(56:22):
afternoon at two thirty Central, I'm on The Hammer Nigel
Show on WIBC Radio in Indianapolis. We do a bargament
weekly with them as well. Once again for Joe Filippo.
My name is Dan Levy. We'll bargue again soon.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
See ya.