Behind The Wand and Friends - Chloe Laverson

Hey, welcome to Behind the Wand and Friends! In this podcast I sit down with some of my favorite content creators from the Wizarding World community to chat about everything Harry Potter and the future of the fandom—especially when it comes to the series and what's next! Whether it's deep dives into the books, discussions about the films, or the latest updates in the Wizarding World universe, we've got it covered. Stay tuned for all kinds of magic, insight, and of course, some fun surprises along the way! Let's get into it! ✨

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Hi everyone, and welcome to Behind the wand and Friends.
If you're new here. This is a podcast where I
sit down with some of my favorite content creators from
the Wizarding World to chat about everything Harry Potter and
the fandom right now and the fandom's future, especially when

(00:31):
it comes to the series and what's next. So whether
we're deep diving into books, or we're discussing the films,
or just the latest updates about the series, you can
find all that chat here before I intro this week's guest.
I've never done this before, and I promise you I'm
not going to ask again, but if you could possibly

(00:53):
rate and review the podcast, I would really really appreciate it.
I know so many of you have done it already
and I you for that. So if you do have
a spare a few minutes today and you feel like
you could do that, I will be eternally grateful. Okay,
that's that I want to ask you to do that again.
Thank you. So this week I have Chloe Lavison on

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the podcast. I first met Chloe a lot two summers
ago in Chicago at Leaky Kon and I just gravitated
towards her straight away because she is just absolutely fantastic
and straight off the bat. We had such a great
conversation about the female characters within the Harry Potter universe,

(01:37):
and especially how they're represented in the films compared to
the books, and just from that conversation, I just knew
that Chloe was one of my people. She is just
gorgeous inside and out, and she's just really really honest
in our conversation and I just appreciate that from her
so much because it's not always easy to do. She's

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also hilarious, and we're also branding this our sexiest chat yet.
So yeah, I hope you enjoy it. So I think
what we'll do it if I just like jumped straight
into it. And my first question is going to be,

(02:20):
how did you first stumble across Harry Potter?

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Right the Harry Potter origin story. I'm pretty young for
the fandom. We're like to be super involved in the fandom.
I'm twenty five, which means that by the time Deadly
Hellos came out in two thousand and seven, I was eight.
So I stumbled across the books in Barnes and Noble,

(02:46):
which is like our huge, you know chain in America
for books, and there was a table that was like
what's popular, and Harry Potter was on it, and I
was looking for something new. I was such a reader
growing up because I didn't really have that many friends,
so books were my friends. Yeah, and my mom brought
me to Burnes and Noble and I saw Harry Potter

(03:07):
and I was like, okay, I'll give this a shot.
Immediately fell in love. I read the first book in
two days, I think, which was kind of an impressive
feed at seven, and so I bagged my mom. I'm like,
can you buy the rest of the books? So she
bought one through six for me, and I read all
of them, and obviously when the seven came out, I
was super excited and I got that one as well.

(03:29):
But I brought Harry Potter with me everywhere. Like I
reread those books so many times, from when I first
read them to when I was like even a senior
in high school. I just kept coming back to them.
And my parents were even like, Chloe, get a new books.
Funny because now I talk about it. Yeah, I was like, no,
I'm not getting a new book. You've showed them yeah, exactly,

(03:53):
Well they kind of now they're like you are right,
you've just got a new book. But I think that
Harry just became my best friend because I didn't have
anyone at the time, and then later I found friendships
through Harry Potter. So I think I'm one of those
folks that's like Harry Potter means everything to you. Harry
Potter saved my life, which is maybe dramatic, but I

(04:15):
think pretty true.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
No, I think that, like I that's not the first
time I've had that sort of like finding friendship through
the through the book. And I always say, like, I
find it like even though it's like obviously is I
got like lots of action and you know, speaking to
somebody the other day, and Harry really gets like dragged
through it. But it is almost like just Hogwarts and
that universe is like my comfort blanket. Like I can't

(04:41):
not have like a warm feeling when I think of
that like universe. Yeah, I like totally like understand that,
and I think it's just like amazing how that transcends
from you being sort of seven to twenty five and
you still have lives, like feelings and attachments to it.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Well, I think Harry Potter is still one of my
best friends, Like He's been there through with me through
like obviously when I was seven and I was struggling
with bullying and I was like a little kid and
life was hard in that way. And then also like
the worst breakup of my life, which happened a year
and a half ago, and I was struggling so much,
and of course I picked up Harry Potter again, and

(05:16):
I like deep delved back into the fandom. And I
think that's happened every difficult moment, Like I remember COVID.
Oh my god, did I dive back into Harry Potter.
I think that a lot of people did. And it's
so cozy and comfy and growing up I remember like
Harry went through so much hardship and so much trauma,

(05:39):
and I grew up in like a pretty broken home
which had similar abusive tendencies to what Harry experienced at
the Deadly or at the Dursleys. And for Harry to
then become the savior of the Wizarding world and the
amazing man and the powerful wizard that he becomes at
the end, I was like, hey, be okay, Like I'm

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gonna be okay, And Harry allowed me to see that,
so I don't think I'll ever. I think I will
always come back to Harry Potter. And obviously I've found
comfort in other searings the series at this point, like
Lord of the Rings and Like a Gatar and all
these other books that have come, but Harry. There's nothing
that will ever beat Harry Potter for me, especially since

(06:21):
I found that one first. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah, that's like your your first love.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah what oh yeah, I think like Fred Weisley was
probably my first love. Oh it was like Harry Potter.
I'm trying to think. I was such a Fred girl.
Fred and Neville. I was like, oh my god, I
loved them, and I was like, I was like a
chubby little girly when I was little. And I remember

(06:49):
watching the Harry Potter movies for the first time at
like an after school program because I had already read
the books but I hadn't watched the movies yet. And
I saw Neville a young Matthew Lewis, and I was
like him, yeah, love, And then he grew up and
I was like, oh, oh my god, yeah still him.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah, yes, I mean, like, have you've seen him recently, Like,
go Neville.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
He's so yummy. Yeah, And he was yummy. Then I
was a Neville girl from.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
The start, exactly exactly. We need to let him know
you've loved him from the beginning.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, I was. I liked him before it was cool. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
So that's really interesting because I think there's always like
almost two camps of people who are either like book
through and through or almost like film through and through.
But it sounds like you really are. I'm not saying
you don't like the films, but the book is like
your Is that fair to say the book is your
your true love and the film is like your side chick.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Oh? Interesting? Maybe I'm like on and off with both
of them. I love. I love the books because I
found them first. I did not watch the movies first.
But I think because I talk about both of them
so much, they kind of fuse in my head. And
I think everyone's scared to say this out loud. I
sometimes forget what is book canon and then what is

(08:05):
movie canon? Oh? Yeah, and yeah we got I got
a comment kind of recently. It was like, clearly this
girl hasn't read the books, and I was like, oh,
I've read these books so many times, They're so ingrained
in my brain, but I can't remember everything all the time.
Ready and the movies. I think I think everyone and

(08:27):
their mom has watched the movies. I do not think
everyone and their mom has read the books. I think obviously,
in terms of books, more people have read those books
than any other. But still I think the movies are
more accessible. I don't know, I think less people like
to read. I beg a huge generalization, but I think
it's true.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
So I kind of agree, and I feel like, especially
maybe for my age. So I'm thirty four, and I
do think a lot of people I know have read
the first few and then I set out of it,
And I think maybe that's our age that, like you said,
I think a lot of people sort of fall out
of love with reading when they get to song in seventeen.

(09:06):
Maybe you stop playing hard like other things like going
out and socializing, and you know, I think when you're
younger and you're at home, Like definitely I was like
a big reader as a child. I've always been a
big reader. Actually, I love reading, So I think, yeah,
it's interesting that everyone I know seen the films but
not everyone's read the books. And I always say you
should go back and read the books, but I have

(09:26):
to be honest, I've only read the series through. I
think I've only read it through properly, like once, and then.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
You'll pick up like one bo or the other book.
I feel that I feel like I've read this series
probably through, like when I was younger a bunch, but
now as an adult, when I want to read a
Harry Potter book, I usually pick four or three or
six I like, because those are more comfy to me,
and I love like Goblet of Fire is my everything

(09:58):
book and movie, and I will just listen to it
out when I'm sad and like it is just so
much fun to reread. And I don't know that like
every I feel that way about every single one of
the books. So if I do like trivia for like
Goblet of Fire book, I'll kill that. But then Chamber
of Secrets, which I've read the least, I don't know

(10:20):
if I can pull like facts from that book out
of my.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Hat totally totally. I think that's like the same for
a lot of people. So what is it about Goblet
of Fire that you that you love?

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Okay, So I'm I am French, so flur de la
cour like she means the world to me and she's complicated,
like she's not perfect, don't get me wrong, But the
introduction of her and the French Wizarding World, I think
that is the big piece. Like growing up, I was like,
I didn't really know much about the UK, if I'm honest,

(10:55):
all of my knowledge until I made friends with you,
right and with like Emily, with Chanelle was like just
Terry Potter pretty much. And now that I have friends
in the UK and like no people, I know more.
But when I was little, I knew nothing but France,
France I knew. And when JK. Rowling introduced Boubaton, I

(11:17):
was like, oh, I could really go to this school,
like that could be me. And then when fre was
like blonde, I was like, okay, is this me?

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Thank you, thank you. She's definitely the easiest one for
me to like cose play. I'd rather be like Luna
if I'm super honest. But and it's just so fun.
There's so much action and I love the quidditche World's
Cup and they left a lot out of that movie, right,
but the energy feels so like chaotic and almost like

(11:56):
excitable all the time, and I'm not I think it
was Mike Newell that liked Remade that Happen. But I
love the both the movie and the book for different reasons.
I love the book because it expands the world so
much and it's like, wow, there's so much here. And
I actually think like fan fiction pulls a lot from

(12:17):
Goblet of Fire because there's so much there. And then
I love the movie because it's so fun and it's
always exciting and there's like it's never boring. Every single
scene is like, oh my god, what's next, what's next?
What's next? And also Fred Weasley like.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yeah, yeah, I Sally, We're coming back around to Fred.
I get it.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
It's so interesting to say it because I have never
actually thought about this before, but I think, like the
third and the fourth definitely like my favorite and films,
and I think and I honestly this is the first
time I thought about it, and I think it's because
I love world building like I love and you're seeing
a more like thorough like fleshed out universe. I really

(12:58):
really love that. So it's so interesting that actually like
the introduction of like the other schools and obviously this
like try that it's just like building that history within
the exactly it's obviously, like I can now see. That's
probably why I really enjoy the fourth one and the
third one, I think as well. I enjoy because again,
it builds like a bit of history, like bringing.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
In like serious camaradas.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah, getting like a deeper like gaze into the world
and like what it's been like years before and what
it's like now. And I think I just love that,
like the real build up of like the universe and
so yeah, but I've never thought of that.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
I'm totally that.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
I was like, yes, I completely feel that.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
I love the third and the fourth movies are so good,
and they're so good for different reasons, and I think
it's wholly because of the directors. They're obviously the one
off directors, right, because you're Christopher Columbus in the beginning
and then you have David Yeats at the end. But
Alfonso Quran, his aesthetic sensibilities, yeah, as a filmmaker are
so beautiful. And I know, we just got done with

(14:04):
Halloween and now we're like it's almost Thanksgiving in the States,
which I know that doesn't matter really in the UK,
but it's almost Christmas or like Christmas time, and there's
always debate like Halloween versus Christmas movies, and I think
that Harry Potter can be both. Like I think that
you can watch them first of all anytime, but I
think like September first starts Harry Potter season and then

(14:27):
it goes through the end of December. But I think
that the third movie is the perfect Halloween movie, yeah,
in that series, And I think the fourth is the
perfect Christmas movie in that series.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
Yeah, yeah, totally. So how did you get from Oh, actually,
I was gonna say, it's one other things, So I
was I went back for the fourth one, but I
literally only it was I didn't go with Amione's double.
I basically stopped filming and I went in just to
be like an extra. So I was like, So I
was like, yeah, but it's so interesting because all also

(15:01):
a lot of people I say to you about Mike
Newell said what he really He's like so character focused also,
like I think in a way he gave sort of
peripheral characters potentially like Fred a bit more personality and
like those characters a bit more like weight and just
a bit more quirks, and you could sort of see,
you know, like when they're doing like the practicing the dancing.

(15:23):
I love that, yeah, or like he sort of really
got the like especially the younger cast, like really dig
deepfind their character.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
I love it. Yeah, yeah, I definitely can see that.
And I think that's why I often go to the
fourth and sometimes and I think the sixth book for
that reason. It's because we get more from the peripheral characters.
I I think that we get obviously we know Harry,

(15:54):
when we know Hermione, and we know Ron so well,
like yeah, so so well, we feel like we can
like completely understand where they are and where they're at.
I so badly wish that we could get in the
heads of some of the other characters in that way.
And that's why the books are so special. And I

(16:15):
think that that's why you go to the books rather
than the movies, because you do get more of that.
We talked about this when we first met at Lea Yukon.
But the characters like Ginny, like fle like Luna, the women,
especially beyond Hermione and even Hermione, like Hermione is definitely chaotic,

(16:36):
good sometimes and we don't we get so much of
that in the in the books. She's so like I'll
do anything for justice. Whatever, like I need to do,
I'll do it, Like trapping rita skater in a jar emple. Yeah,

(16:57):
like she does a lot of things for her friends
that you're like, whoa, that's maybe a little too far hermione,
but we don't quite get there in the movies. And
then Ginny. Obviously I met Bonnie right this past year
at the Last Week econ and she is so kind,
but I think that the way that her character was
written really really waters her down, which sucks. Like Ginny

(17:21):
is such can I curse on this? Yeah, Okay, she
is such a badass, and we lose a lot of
that in the movies, Like she is sassy and fun
and charismatic and the cool girl, Like Ginny is the
cool girl, and we're missing that in the movies. Obviously
we know, oh, Ginny's pretty, but like, beyond being pretty,
what is she? And I think that we're missing we're

(17:43):
just missing like the extra stuff when we go to
the movies because it's so hard to keep that in
like there's the movies would be a billion hours long.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
So yeah, exactly, and totally, like I think for Bonnie,
I almost feel sorry for because I think there is
a lot of like book book Ginny versus film Ginny.
But I think like she was.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Only it's not her fat, she could only do what she.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Can do with like the dialogue she was given in
the scripting, And in some way I also feel like
that with Neville as well, Like there's only and it's
sort of like Neville, it's like this great like bubbling
character that's always like there and he's like really, I
don't know. And I feel like in the film he's
sort of like is there and then he sort of
disappears and then sort of has like this mega rolling

(18:31):
I just like I said, I feel like I love
world building, I love character building. I like that sort
of like growing with them that you just don't get
in the in the film. But yeah, with Ginny, I
always say, like, I think Ginny's like really electric when
you read her like sparky, like you I don't know
you just like you said, like, I think cool is

(18:52):
actually just like such a.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Good She's so cool. She's the coolest girl. She's the
it girl of Hogwarts. Everyone wants to date her, everyone
wants to be here, even Blaze Zabinie. I think in
the sixth book, like Pansy Parkinson asks Blaze and Draco
and is like, oh, well, people think she's pretty, and
Blaze is like, yeah, it doesn't matter. She's still a
like blood trader. But they still think she's cool because

(19:15):
she's the cool girl, like yeah, and she's good at
sports and she's smart, and like, we have to remember
that the Weasleys have a dynasty at Hogwarts right now. Yeah,
like there's so many of them. Bill Weasley was the
first one. Let's not forget. He is so cool, Like yeah, yeah,
so cool, so handsome, so smart, he was like I

(19:36):
think had boy. Charlie is, well, he freaking is a
dragon tamer. Yeah, yeah, I don't know that's the right
where Dragon Master works with dragons. Like talk about someone
they need to bring to the TV show because we
were robbed. We were robbed, Charlie Weasley. But yeah, like

(19:57):
for Jinny to come, obviously she's the only girl, so
that makes her stand out already, but for her to
come as the youngest Weasley and still make her mark, yes,
despite the fact that she's the seventh and sixth came
before her and all the Weasleys do that, And I
think that that's what Ron struggles with the most actually

(20:18):
is like they all make their own footprint on Hogwarts,
which is super cool. But Ginny, like in the books,
you really see Harry and Jinny, You're like, oh, I
get why they are both so sassy, and the banter
between the two of them when we actually get scenes
between them is so good, and the build up is great. Obviously,

(20:39):
Jkr went the I want to say, like the stereotypical
trope and like Ron and Hermione and Harry and Jenny,
and they pair off perfectly right, And they're not my
favorite ships in the books. I'll say that, yeah, but
the way that she builds the relationships is so masterfully done.
And Ginny and Harry specifically like the way that we

(21:03):
build from oh my god, Ginny has a celebrity crush
right to oh my god, Ginny is the it girl
and Harry wants her so bad. Harry is the one
yearning for her, Like, oh my god, that must feel
so good, and like Ginny did it for all of us.
Ginny went from celebrity crush to like, yeah, yeah, like
that jilly girl she is she is.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
I totally like, yeah, oh o, Clay, that was so good.
I really love that. I love that like Dynasty of
Weasley as well, like that.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
It's so true, like that school is being haunted by
freaking Weasley's And the best part is that like McGonagall
obviously watches all of them and she has such a
special place in her heart for them, and you can
tell but the fact that we get the next generation
obviously with like Rose and Hugo and James and Albus

(22:01):
and they have not only Potter blood but Weasley blood
in them. And you were talking about the third and
how much you'd love it, and the Marauder is coming in,
which is like a whole exciting new thing because gen Z,
which I'm like, I'm on the cusp of I'm in
between both of those generations, has really taken the Marauders
story and really fleshed it out. But they were crazy too,

(22:28):
and McGonagall just watching all the end being like another
headache and.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
Oh my god, that gonna start.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Well, it's so interesting because Bill probably set a standard
that was exciting. They were like, oh, Bill's great, He's
like an incredible student, he's cool. Maybe all of them
are going to be like this. And then Charlie came
and again, great student cool, he was great acquittedge he
was a beater, I believe, And then Friend and georgicab

(22:59):
and they're excited. They're like, okay, great, no, Percy, Percy
is perfect, right, he's like the perfect student whatever. Mcgonald,
God has no problem with him. And then Fred and
Georgia and she's excited at first, she's like, oh, another
great student a pair of students, and immediately she's like like, yeah,

(23:24):
it's so true.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
It's so so true. The teacher's been a mcgonigals perspective.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Well, and like teachers always compare siblings, like you can't
say that, yeah, so to have seven.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yeah, next I had that school, like my sister's like
two years two years above me. And even then is
that when you first start referred to as like, oh
you that person's sister, you're like, yes, I am.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
And you have to hope that they did like an
okay job and setting an impression because they did is
come on you completely, Yes, if.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
You like that, if you like my sister, then you're
probably gonna like like me, so it'll be okay, how
did you get from? So? I obviously like I'm obsessed
with your I love like sweet, you're esthetic and you're
like shoots that you do and you're like cous Fair
and your character, like I just obsessed. How do you
get from you know, loving Harry Potter to sort of

(24:13):
the creating the content like like you do.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yeah, well, so Harry Potter. There's seven books, which is
so much content, right, and then there's eight movies, okay,
and now there's three prequel movies with the Fantastic Beast.
So the world is big and it's expanding. We're gonna, obviously,
I think, talk about the series that's you know, coming
up kind of quickly, which is super exciting. The world

(24:38):
is expanding, obviously, and jk R has done so much
work on Potter More. Well, it's not called Pottermore anymore.
It was called Wizardingworld dot Com and now it's I
think Harry Potter dot com again. But there's so much
information on there that wasn't told in the books. So
she has already given us more in that sense. But

(24:59):
because the fandom is so obsessed, because I am so obsessed,
and because we love this world so much, we are
always like more, more, more and more, it's never enough,
never enough, whichever why that can never enough? Which is
why the conventions exist, which is why your podcast exists
so well, It's why all of the we're just like,

(25:20):
we want more. We want to talk about these books
so much, and we have so much to talk about.
And people always ask me all the time, they're like,
you still talk about those I'm like, yeah, because there's
so much too deep dive into. But now there's also
fan fiction. Now there's Harry Potter, influencers and creators, and
now there is all these people that are adding to

(25:43):
the fandom at large. And I had I felt like
I have stuff to add. I still feel that way,
right and I am like, you know this, I'm very girly.
I love fashion, I love makeup. I love expressing myself
in that way. So I decided, like the first couple
videos I did was how do I combine my love

(26:05):
of fashion and make up and all those girly things
and Harry Potter, And that has really become my m O.
Obviously it's extended to other fandoms, you know, which is
really exciting. But I love that I can express myself
in that way and also focus on the women of
the series, which I do a lot of as well.

(26:26):
Because Harry Potter as wonderful as it is, and as
wonderful as these female characters are, because don't get it twisted.
These characters, these female characters are so beautifully written and
they're not perfect, but they're so wonderful and I love, love,
love them. But they also don't play as big of

(26:48):
a role as the men, which is true of like
almost anything, if I honest, But Hermione obviously plays a
huge part, and without Hermione, Harry and Ron would have
been dead super but we really only get Hermione fleshed
out all the other women not so much, right, And
when we think about the main characters in this story

(27:09):
beyond Harry, Hermione, and Ron, we think of Dumbledore, we
think of Snape, we think of Draco, right, we think
of these men, which is again it's okay, these characters
are wonderful and we love them. But I'm interested in
the women, and especially since like I always wanted to
be a witch, like how do I be? And I

(27:31):
love how there's different types of witches and I love
exploring that, like Mollie Weasley for example. Obviously this parallel's
real life, but Mollie Weasley like she's a stay at
home which but she's so good at those spells, at
the spells that keep the home. She's such a wonderful,
wonderful mother, and she's so freaking powerful. We think about

(27:52):
how she is in the Order of the Phoenix and
how she takes charge like she is just an unstoppable force.
Then we think about and we extend that, we think
about Luna, and we think about all these women. So
there's so much to talk about when it comes to
the women. I love fanfic. I love talking about fanfic.
I think it's so cool that so many people have

(28:14):
been like, I love these stories so much, I need
more of it. Let me do it, let me take
up the pen. So I think I got into it
to really go back to your question, because I've gotten
a little bit of a rand. Is just that I
saw I wanted the content that I create, and I
think that that's true of a lot of people. It's

(28:34):
like I wanted to see girly girls owning their nerdiness
and bringing their girliness to that nerdiness. And that's what
I've been marrying or trying to marry in my cat totally.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
And it's so interesting you say that because I spoke
to Melissa, I don't know, you probably do, know how
And yeah, she sort of like was saying really similar
in a way that she sort of like likes to
think of herself as the witch that just goes to
hog Quarts and is they're just living that sort of
like almost like normal life that, yeah, and not being

(29:09):
like Harry who's being like dragged through hell trying to
be that you can create like this own character. She's
a real like romance girlie, so she likes thinking she'd
be there is like her friends and like just you know,
all those sort of like normal things that happen when
you're going to high school and that she sort of like,
through her content, like creates that narrative of being just

(29:30):
like the Hogwarts student. Basically that's not love and right.
So it's like it's I think it's amazing that you
guys sort of do create this content that you want
to see, and I think that's probably what people really
like relate to and when they sort of connect with
your your content that you put out, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
It's so special. And I think that that's why this
fandom has continued to thrive. Like there's a very few
fandoms that have been able to sustain themselves in the
way that this one has. I feel like there's this
huge rise in popularity and like really really like hits
its peak and then slowly fizzles out. Even with like

(30:12):
a huge, huge fandom like Twilight, for example, you still
have the diehards, the people that know everything, that still
love it, that still are talking about it, but it's
not the same. And I think that like Star Wars,
Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter have been able
to manage that, but yeah, not many more. And I

(30:33):
think that it's because the fandom continues to feed.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Itself, so talking about wanting more Harry Potter. So yeah,
I think you know, we know the series is happening,
and I think like, well, what was your thoughts when
you first heard this happening, because I think a lot
of people were like ah and a bit hesitant, whereas
I feel like, for me, after the initial like oh, okay,

(31:00):
they're actually gonna do this, I kind of feel like
I'm never gonna not be excited about more Harry Potter
and newness basically, So that's kind of like where I stand.
But I'm always interested as to how other people feel
about it.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Yeah, no, I think my initial reaction was it's happening.
I wasn't even a little surprised, though I think some
people were like, oh my god, can you believe it?
And I was like, yeah, I can't because no new
things are coming out right now. And I think, if
we're being super super honest, Warner Brother needs this really bad,
and they know that Harry Potter will do well with

(31:37):
a caveat with like a little asterisk, the original Harry
Potter will do well, right, because we saw that fantastic Beast,
despite being in the world, despite being great, was supposed
to be. I think five movies ended in three well
we think, yeah, probably ended up not confirmed.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
But yeah, but we're not hearing any rumblings one at
the moment.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Right, So I think that they are falling back on
something that's super safe for them, because you're right, even
though people are angry from what I've seen online, they're
still going to watch it, but they're going to watch it,
and we get now so many more years right because
they're starting book one going through book seven, these kids

(32:22):
ideally are going to have the same situation right as Harry,
well as Emma Rupert and Dan, and they're going to
grow with the series ideally, so I think that people
are nervous and they should be. I think that's super valid.
I think also Rupert, Dan and Emma are Harry, Harmione

(32:43):
and Ron. They are to all of us. And for
those who grew up with the movies and grew up
going it is going to be so hard to put
new faces to those names and to those characters, and
I think that that is going to be the hardest
part for people to swallow. I think that the safest

(33:06):
route for them to go, and I think they'll probably
go this way and then I'll caveat it a little
bit is a direct screen, two page adaptation with nothing
cut out at this point, Yeah, they're doing a TV show.
If they're going to do a TV show and not
make this fans angry, they need fan advisors, which they've

(33:28):
already done. I've seen that they have hired fan advisors.
I think that's really smart. The writers need to be fans.
The showrunner needs to be a fan. And like when
I say fan, I mean fan, I mean someone that's
like in the fandom, understands what people are talking about,
has their finger on the polls, knows what fanfics are popular,
knows what to lean into, Like, if they're gonna do

(33:49):
this again, you better do it even better than the
first time, right, which is so beloved by so many people,
despite obviously the issues with the movies, But the direct
direct page to screen needs to happen. And then I
think the way that they can have wiggle room is
with flashbacks and with adding context in that sense, so

(34:12):
adding the Marauders in there, adding texture with Voltimort scenes,
adding texture the original order of the Phoenix. I think
that they can do that, and they can do that well,
but I think veering any further will get them very
in trouble.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Yeah, so you're not hoping they're going to do sort
of well, I don't think. I think they've already said
they're not. But they're not going to do an interpretation
of I.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Think that would be crazy. Listen, if they do it,
I will watch it, I will eat it up, I
will react to it, I will coseplay whatever. I think
they would be cuckoo to do it, though, Like I
think that them doing an interpretation would be a crazy decision,
given how big vast opinionated this fandom.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Is that the stories, the books like are just like
so successful, like people just like the contents there, like
we don't need to re create the wheel, like it's
there for us. So much was not influted in the exactly,
so it's like we don't need to do anything different
with it because it's hard going to be different.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Right, It's already going to be different. And I think
that they just need to include everything that wasn't included,
like that is the biggest win for them, and I
think that that's how they expand it and interpret it
in a new way. I think they are probably going
to interpret it in a new way through casting, and
I think that's going to piss a lot of people off,
like a lot of people off, and I think that

(35:46):
that is the way that they're going to do it.
I would bet so much money that Hermione is going
to be black as she should. She is now black
in the stage production of a Curse Child, and that has
been a through line. All of her kids are of
mixed race. She's going to be black, and I think
people need to just accept it and admit it and

(36:06):
let's not have this stupid conversation online that's like where
where we're Yeah, just accept it. It really doesn't matter
how you feel, because that's what's going to happen.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
And I think that would be great. And I feel
like the worst thing for me to see would be
a ten year old girl trying to do an impression
of Emma Watson to mine.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Yes, exactly like, and that's like.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
We need to move away from that and give people
a chance to.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Have their own interpretation. Right. The biggest interpretation that's going
to change is going to be the cast, and I
think that's going to be super special. Something I'm really
looking forward to is the fact that we know Dumbledore
is gay from the first first book, Yeah at this point,
So what is that going to look like? When we
talk about Grindvald, when we talk about Dumbledore's experienced as
the most powerful wizard, does that change who he is

(36:58):
and how he walks about the Wizarding World given the
fact that the Wizarding World is so much more conservative
than just the UK in general. I think that that's
going to be super interesting. I think something that they
should do, I don't know if they're going to, is
cast a transactor or actress in a role. I think
that the one that probably lends itself the best actually

(37:21):
is Luna. She's my favorite character in the whole entire
book series. She's like everything I looked up to her
my whole life. But I think that her being an
odd ball and her being like left out of things
and people not really being able to like speak to
her understand her, I think probably lends itself to that.

(37:42):
I think that it would be smart to get that
representation in their given a relationship that this series has
with trans folks. But I think the biggest thing is
going to be casting. One thing that I need them
to do that, like, if they don't do, I'm a
be paste. Is age accurate casting for the parents of

(38:05):
Harry of the Order, because it when you make them
look older. They were an old looking but they were
like in their forties, right, I see, so tragic, Like
I am older than Lily was when she died and
had Harry, right, Like that is what's so tragic. They

(38:26):
are so young Snape as well, And Snape needs to
be way more horrible because the Alan Rickman of it
all made him like likable and he's just not so
age Yeah inage appropriate yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Yeah, totally like age accuracy. Yeah. I think that's such
a good point. And actually I've never clocked it until
I think it's like Chanelle does Instagram where she's like,
this is how old they're meant to be. Like Virgunior,
I was like, what, she's really late twenties. But I think,
like I think the cast these like really prestigious actors

(39:06):
that essentially are probably that a little bit older, they
wanted to attract those names.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
To the contract.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yeah, you know, these amazing, amazing like screens and stage
actors who've been around quite a lot they saw across them,
who naturally are probably a bit older. But yeah, I
would I would love that. And I'm also like totally
fine with like unknowns taking on these parts.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Or like not.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Yeah, you know, I don't need a lot of like
names like attached to it for me.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Well, they don't need it now. They don't need it.
They needed it, I think in the nineties because Harry Potter,
despite being super popular, especially the first few movie adapt adaptations,
they needed those big names. They don't need it anymore.
I do think they should bring like really good names
for the like oldest professors. So I think people have

(39:53):
been tossing around Helen Muran for McGonagall. I think that's
a really smart choice. Yeah, I forget the name of
the actor that has been rumored and probably is confirmed
to be Dumbledore is like really toald.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Yes, yes and well known so good.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Yes, he looks perfect. So like, I think that casting
those big names in the professor roles and in the
like you know, mature adult roles make so much sense,
and like they bring such a richness, like I mean,
come on, like they brought such like this dynamic and

(40:30):
level of acting to the original films that I don't
think would have been there without them. So yeah, yeah,
I mean like Maggie Smith without her, I think would
have been completely different series, despite the fact that she's
not like the biggest role in the movies. So and

(40:50):
I obviously I felt that way about Michael Gambon and
Richard Harris, So I think that they would be smart
to continue that through line. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
Yeah, and like just going back Storry, just to rewind
a little bit. It's about what you're saying about, like
casting like like people of color and like transy pople.
I actually feel like that is so important because I
just think something that especially is going to be watched
by children, it is the most important that people feel
like they can see themselves in this story more so

(41:21):
than even like I think I like things that are
just for adults. Is I just think, like, especially now
I have children, that I think, like I want my
little girl to see really like strong female characters, right mean,
And I think that as well, like you know, if
she had any sort of disability, I would want her

(41:41):
to feel like she was represented in TV. And like,
you know, there's a dance we have this show I
think you haven't in the US, but it's called like
it's called Strictly Come Dancing here. I think it might
be like Dancing with the Stars with Yes, Yes, And
there's at the moment there's like a contestant on it
and she's and she's deaf. She's like the most incredible dancer.

(42:02):
And I just always think, like, how amazing for all
the you know, little boys and girls out there who
might be deaf watching spell Dance. And I just you know,
so I just think with these these contents, which is
like family content that can be conceived by the whole family,
like representation is just so so important. And I really
hope like he's like all those things, those casting things

(42:24):
you've just said. I really hope they do that.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Me too, Me too. The diversity aspect is important, and
I do think like getting the perfect person first is
what's the most important. But I do think that we
need diversity in these roles and that that isn't just race.
Like I'm not talking about that about body type. I'm
talking about sexual orientation. I'm talking about gender. I'm talking

(42:51):
about them opening their eyes to you know, there is
this like Combo Saw that was like, well, the UK
super white, so they should all be super white and
I'm like, Babes, they're witches and wizards, like, it doesn't
it doesn't have to be accurate so the UK. I
think that all I want is that I want actors

(43:13):
and actresses, regardless of however they identify and whatever identity
boxes they check, to be so enamored with their characters
and to love this story and to want to do
it justice. And that's what matters to me the most,
because this franchise, this fandom means the world to so

(43:34):
many people, and they need to just like love, love,
love their characters. It makes me think of Wicked just
came out and Cynthia and Arianna have done such an
incredible job loving their characters and just like giving their
all to them. And I think that that's what matters

(43:55):
the most for this series, and that's really all I
want to see obviously, Like I said, I want better representation,
and I mean that in just the book, like we
talked about Genny, like versus book versus movie, right, Ginny
is a strong female character that is someone to look
up to, and she didn't necessarily come across that way

(44:18):
in the movies. Hopefully she can come across that way
in the TV series and hopefully we can grow with her, right,
because when we first see her, she's like a little
baby that's just like nervous doctarydaughter once right, exactly, by
the seventh book, she is a bad ass that is
like the leader of the rebellion at Hogwarts School, and

(44:39):
she's like the the not beyond it girl, Like she
is a hero period. And then she becomes a professional
quidditche player and becomes so so cool. She's so cool,
like give me her, give me Fough with all of
her complexities, give me give me Molly with all of
her complexities. Because in the books, she is so much

(44:59):
more complex than she is in the movies. In the movies.
She's the saint. She's the saint, she's an angel. She's
perfect and in the books she's a wonderful, wonderful mom.
But she has her moments and when it comes to
flurf like, eh, it is icky to watch, right, Like,
she's not accepting a Fleur as her daughter in law.
She thinks she's vapid and vain and shallow, and she

(45:20):
does have those moments, but she basically doesn't want Bill
to marry her and tries to get the Bill to
go with Tonks despite him already choosing Fleur, and expects
Fleur to leave him after he gets hurt, when of
course she doesn't. Of course, she's just in love with
him and wants to deal with him, and like that's
so hard to watch. Also, fle is a war hero.

(45:42):
Fleur fights in Britain despite being French, despite not really
needing to. She could have gone home, you know, I mean, yeah,
so many layers to these female characters that I hope
that they get in the TV series and if they don't,
they're doing such a disservice to all those women. And also,
like Matt Pomfrey, we don't talk about her a lot.
She heals all of hogwarts. She is such an incredible woman.

(46:08):
The fact that they have someone that we haven't tapped into, Like,
if they're going to interpret it in any sort of way,
they need to like talk about how amazing the professors are.
They need to deep dive into that. And we were
talking about diversity, JKR bless her. She didn't do their
best job when it comes to diversity when she did

(46:29):
put it in there. So when we think of Padma
and Parvety Pattil, they as wonderful as they are, we
don't really see their culture or their heritage ah come up.
And the only time it comes up is in the
Yule Ball. And like this is not jkr's fault, but
the movie Oh my God outfitted them in not a

(46:52):
great way. And like I think that that would have
probably maybe been an issue because they would have outshined
Hermione probably in Langa's in Sorry's that We're appropriate because
that South Asian clothing is so so so beautiful. So
I hope that I actually see that Cho Chang both
of her like Choe and Chang, both of her names

(47:12):
are last names. That's kind of that's hard, right, And
so like, how do we fit in diversity when it's
put in there in the initial books, but it's a
little clunky. Also the Jewish diversity, like Anthony Goldstein. She
brings the fact that Anthony Goldstein is Jewish, like later
on via tweet, she's like, oh, duh, he's Jewish. But

(47:35):
it's like, Okay, what does that even mean to be
Jewish at Hogwarts? What does that mean? To be Hindu
at Hogwarts? What does that mean to be Muslim at Hogwarts?
Like that exists, yeah, I guess, but like it's never
talked about. So if they're gonna interpret anything, I need
them to like world build and add in that sense,
not don't tell new stories, flesh out the ones that

(47:55):
are already there.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Don't have Yeah, when we talk, you know, and you're like,
this could just go.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
So let's there, and say it could also go so
right and it could surprise us.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
And like, yeah, I do think like the one the
thing that I have hope for is that David Hayman's
still attached and I do really believe he has like
Harry Potter's best interests at heart.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
And I do say, David Hayman, right, Yeah, Okay, I
didn't hear you.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Oh, sorry, David Hayman so like the producer, and I
do feel like just from the film, the film interpretations,
like when he said we were going from like Chris
Columbus to Alfonso directing, I think people were like, huh,
I'm not seeing this, even though actually now we throw

(48:49):
back to a little princess, which you can see some
parallels with like the Harry Potter story, you know, like
a girl, Yeah, totally, But like the film he'd just
done before, Harry Potter was like a serious adult film.
It was not child appropriate at all. But I think
like David Haman knew like no, that this is right,
He's going to take it in the right direction. Then
they change to Mike Newell and then onto like David James,

(49:10):
and I do think like I do trust him with
like I do to a vision for how Harry Potter
should evolve and grow, And I think, like I'm not
justifying it, but I do think like early two thousands,
things were just different, not rightly so, but it was
just of a time where things were predominantly right. Representation

(49:31):
wasn't right. But I do think he did try and
progress the stories in other ways, so hopefully he now
takes on board the like representation, diversity and can like
adapt it and like progress.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
It's no, I totally agree with you. No, it makes
so much sense. I do trust him as well, And
I think that the other thing about David Haman is
he knows these stories like the back of his hand.
He's lived in them, he understated them, and he he's
been with them for so long. Yeah, so he's so
much care I trust him. I think that he's going

(50:08):
to do incredible job. My only like worry with him
is that he's going to want it to be a
carbon copy. I think that he knows that it can't be,
but I think he might be like pushing a little
bit for it to be super super similar, and I
don't want that. I like want this to be a
true adaptation of the book to screen, but I don't
want it to feel like it did before, because I

(50:31):
think that I want to still be able to separate
it in my mind and be like, that's the movie
Harry Potter and that's the series Harry Potter, and they're
very different and I love them both, Like that's the dream.
At the end of this, I can be like, oh,
do I feel like watching the book or do I
feel like or do I feel like watching the movies
or do I.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Feel like watching?

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Totally, oh gosh, I hope say, Okay, I think it's
cross I think it's crossed.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Yeah, I can just say.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
I feel like I've already had Like I know they've
thought the I think is it the production designers in
place and they're crewing up the art department.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
I hope that it looks super different. That's one thing
that I want, Like, I hope that Hogwarts looks so different.
I hope that the interpretation the costumes looks different, like
that they have so much opportunity to like obviously not
like go crazy, but like they can make it so
much more whimsical. And they can make like the portrait,
like the portraits different, and like they can make the

(51:27):
classrooms more magical and like, I don't know, I think
aesthetics wise, like I do want to see like a
whole new different vibe, and.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
I think they could. I think they could do that.
I think for like, Yeah, people I've spoken to they've
said like they haven't re hired anybody so far like that,
which I think is.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Great, like give new people work tap into like all
of the UK. I know that they're continuing that and
they should to use it's a story in Britain and
should continue to get people from the UK.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
So right, I've got some I hate calling it this
and I call it the same day, I was like
fun questions, but I.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Let's go cons.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Well, yeah, no, I know I shouldn't put it fun.
The whole thing's been fun. But question okay, I got
them ran down here. My first one is if you
could brew one potion or use one spell in real life,
what would it be?

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Okay? So mine, I feel like it's so vain. The
first the first thing that came into my head, like
if I'm doing it for me, it's the there's this,
my gosh, there's a particular line of potions that is
brought up in the fourth book Goblin Fire, and Hermione

(52:50):
uses one and it's like sleek, easy for her hair,
I think, But I know, God, it starts the wonder
which products, wonder witch products? Correct me if I'm wrong,
fans people listening, Yeah, but I think that that's what
it's called. And there is one that I believe changes

(53:13):
hair color like just with a single potion or like
a single spell. And I would love love to be
able to change my hair color and the hair length
and like just decide what hair I want today with
my outfit. That sounds like such a dream and tonks
like being a metaphor metaphmorph ages. M h yeah, I

(53:37):
think I said that right. Yeah, that would be the
dream to like be able to change everything like with
a snap, because like even doing my hair in the morning,
Like I would love to be able to have a
potion for that potion for no pimples. That's a thing,
like are you kidding me? Oh, that would be so nice.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
And us blondes know that, like if we start going
in a different directions, had to come back.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
It's so hard to come back. You just keep you
got to keep being blonde, like there's no like and
you know the second because we've both been there. We've
been like, let's go dark and then we're immediately like no,
I hate this, absolutely not. So then you have to
re bleach your hair exactly. Well, that would be the
best part of being away to like of course, you know,
like oh for real, like cure cancer.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
But the silly question, so I can take that. I
know it's so true. I keep taking to my headdresser
I want to go copper, and she's like, yeah, we can.
But if you then say you want to go blonde,
it's going to take like several guys to get the
blonde back.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
And I'm like, like, cowgirl, copper or whatever it's called,
don't do it, don't do it.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
I did. I know I needed someone to say it,
don't do it. Okay, fine, I love that. Okay. If
there was one scene, either in the book or the
film that you could just watch again endlessly, but that's
only the thing you could watch, Which would it be?

Speaker 2 (54:57):
What would it be? That's such a good question. I've
never thought about that one before. No one's ever asked
me that, Oh, if I could just watch it over
and over again. I think it's the scene between Luna
and Harry, and I think it's only in the extended edition,

(55:20):
in the fifth one, and it's when they're talking well, sorry,
the scene is there, no matter what, but there's an
extended version of them when they're talking about Luna's mother's
death and Luna's barefoot, someone stole her shoes and they're
with the Festrials and they're talking about and it's such

(55:41):
a meaningful scene and I love the two of them
so much, and Luna is the friend that Harry always
needed and didn't have. Harry obviously like has so much
with Ron and Hermione, but Luna understands him in a
way that they literally never could until we get to
the seventh when they can understand. But at that point,

(56:03):
no one really understands what Harry has been through except Luna.
I think that they would have been perfect together. That's
a whole different story. I think that scene or like,
if I'm being my second choice would be the ule
Ball also extended edition with like snape like catching people
for making out in carriages and like the extended edition

(56:26):
where like Ron and here are in the bushes, like
I love that scene.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
Yeah, totally, so. I actually really feel like some of
like my favorite Harry moments are often when he's not
with Ron in her mind absolutely and how he is
with other people, And it's almost like Hermione and Ron
are real like Barrier like not burriy, like they're quite
protective of Harry. I think, yeah, they're like insular and

(56:52):
their relationships quite insular and acturally when you see like her,
like I love the scene where he's taken like the liquid.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Luck so good.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
I guess like Harry, and like Dan drops to Dan
like he did. He's like quite a comedic actor, Like
he was funny in that bit, and like so.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
We you we all know that Dan was drunk. Woyeah,
he was filming that, and like, to me, it's so
funny because if you look at like interviews of Dan,
now even that was just Dan, it wasn't Harry.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Like it's just I kind of love facts. I feel
like it was.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Not perfect, especially.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Like book Harry very different. But like especially in the
in the film, obviously Harry's going through it. We know,
like I do. Dan doing the lighter Harry moments, I really.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
So good, so good. One thing that you're oh my god,
so good. One thing that you're making me think of
is the fact that they need to have all of
sassy Harry in the series. They cut out a lot
of sassy Harry from the books to the movie, and
Dan did it so well in the moments that he
did get. But there's so much more there, Like I

(58:06):
need every single one of Harry's sassy lines from the
book in the movie like that. Yeah, no need could
call me sir, professor. He's just such Yeah, shit, I
want all of those moments it is.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Yeah, yeah, because it makes him more likable. I think,
oh my.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
God, Harry Potter is so wonderful, like the main character.
Like no one ever says like I'm sure some people do,
but it's not common for people to be like, oh yeah,
Harry Potter is my favorite character in Harry Potter, but
he's so great.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
Yeah, I agree. Okay, if you could spend one day
in any location in the Wizarding World, where would it be.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Okay, well, I'm going to shopping. Duh, you're kidding me.
Well it's shopping or Hogwarts obviously, but I think that
I would go shopping because I could go to Diagon
Alley and I could go to Madame Mulkins. I could
go to I could get a broomstick. I could go

(59:10):
to Quidditch Supply, quality quidditch supplies. I could go get
some ice cream Flora and Ford Escues. I could go
to Weasley Wizard Wheezes. Oh my god, I would spend
I would drop some major gallleons. Uh, but it would
be fun. Yeah. Also, I feel like there's so many
stores that we don't get to see that when I
read about in fanfic I'm like so excited about, but

(59:31):
like gurly pop stores and like yeah, like imagine Wizarding makeup, imagining,
imagine Wizarding clothing that like can change and alter. And
I want like a witch robe so bad. That's like
sexy and fun. Oh my god, I'd go shopping your shopping.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
Okay, okay, right now, I've got some would you rather questions?
Which I called it like a quick fire a round.
It's not actually quick fire. It's just like when I
messaged you, I was like, I'm some quick fire questions,
but not really quick fire. I'll try to like not
do a model, give them monologue. I love them, but
like don't overthink it. Okay, just silly.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Okay, that's old chat.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Would you rather? Would you rather have a pet hippogriff
or thestral?

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
That's so hard. I think I think a festraal because
they're so misunderstood and like not to air out my
trauma on this podcast, but I would be able to
see Astol if I was in the Wizarding World, and
I think that I would like just find kindred spirits

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with them and love them. They both can fly, so
like that's the thing, Like I want that, Like I
want the ability to ride my pet. Seems really useful
in the in the real world, like i'd want a horse.
So I think I think Astral is like the right call.
But I think I think Thatstraal also, like how convenient
would be that, Like other people don't see your pet,

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but you do. I want to see the perspective of
someone watching someone else ride a Festerraal but they look
like they're writing like nothing. Yeah, so good.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Yeah, yeah, okay, that's true. That my sense. Okay, I
think I know what you're gonna say with this, but
who would you rather have as a bestie, Harry von
or Hermione?

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
But like Harry's yours?

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Right? Or are you gonna say your friend.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Harry is my bestie. I love him. I think I
am already best friends with Hermione. I think I have
so many Hermione's in my life, Like yeah, so many
women in my life are like super organized and like
have a little bit of a stick up their bum
but we love them anyway. Yeah, yeah, I think I

(01:01:44):
would pick Harry. I think I would pick Harry because
I think we would have an understanding with each other. Yeah,
I wouldn't have with other folks.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
Yeah, totally okay. Would you rather spend a day with
Bellatrixlestrange or Dolores on Bridge?

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
Oh, oh my god, awful, awful. I hate how they
made Dolores on Bridge love pink because I love I know,
I talk about this on my socials a lot because
I feel strongly about it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
I know. I even put like my pink Sparkley peen
just like I got this one out and I'm like,
I was like, right, this is Chloe coated and so
it is.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Oh my god, the diet coke and the pink glitter,
Pa Chloe.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
I'm being so Chloe today.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Oh my god. Well love it. It's a fun thing
to channel chaotic and unhinted as well. I think I
would want to be with Bellatrix because I honestly, I
think I hate Dolores way more. I think Dolores is
the worst character in all very botter because I think
she's so real, Like I think we all know Dolores.

(01:02:51):
I think that our government is full, our governments are
full of Dolores's. Bellatrix, though, is like so unhinged, and
I would love to see like, what, like, what's a
day in her life? Yeah, exactly. I feel like it
would be ready with me with Delores, like not with
doors with Bellaticks strange like Also, she's French, which, like
I don't think about a lot, like their whole family

(01:03:12):
speaks French, like Draco's speaks French. Yeah, just the speaks French. Actually,
I don't know if that's Fannin or Cannon. I think
he probably does. But I think we could like have
like a little like tea sash in French.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
Yeah, I mean Bellatrix last strange sounds like, well.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
She married a french Man, right, so the strange is
like not her given last name. But I feel like
all pure bloods for some reasons speak French. Is that
a hot take? I don't know, I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
Okay, fine, so thatt of tricks? Okay? Would you rather
have a time turner or invisibility?

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Like I don't trust myself enough with a time turner.
I think I would like irresponsible use it, like if
I said something like really awkward and like super like
my new moment would yeah, sorry, gonna go back. I'm
not gonna say that. So like I would be so

(01:04:08):
irresponsible with a time turner, I would I would fully
like change the fabric of time and definitely alter the universe.
So we're not gonna I don't need that responsibility, uh
in my life. Invisibly Cloak, I think, yes, I think
despite being so extroverted, there's a lot of moments where

(01:04:28):
I'm like, I would love for no one to find
me right now, and that would be epic, So I think, yeah,
invisibility Cloak also just like how useful? Would that be?

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
So useful? Yeah? Yeah, I love the thought of you
just like using the type like her mind Sayak's life.
But you're like, oh, I don't really like that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Like, oh, I was awkward there. I shouldn't have said that.
I'm gonna remind wish I did that differently. Oh, I
don't love the sandwich I ordered for lunch. I'm gonna
like go back and do something different. No, I absolutely like,
do not give me a time Turner. I don't deserve
it and I'm not responsible enough. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Would you rather have a first kiss with Harry in
the Astronomy Tower under the stars or a passionate kiss
by the fire with Malfoy in the common room.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
I like how Harry's wasn't passionate.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
I know passionate.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
You like a little peck. Okay, they're both are passionate.
Both a passionate, passionate, both are passionate. I think, I mean,
I'm a Draco girl. I think I'll have to do Draco.
I read so much Jermie. My brain is like Phil
It's brain rot Jermyne in here. I think the thing
is is like Draco. I don't like blonde men. Okay, well,

(01:05:48):
I'm not going to say that. I'll be internet. Well
I'm not. I'm not as No, it's fine, you can
leave it. I'm not as attracted to blonde men as
I am to brunette men. But because I've read so
much fan fiction about Draco Malfoy, he is a completely
different character than he is in the actual books to me,
and I think I would be attracted to the bad boy.
I think I would like especially young me, especially like

(01:06:11):
sixteen year old Chloe. She'd be like, I can change him,
I can make him. It's like, no, you can't, girl,
don't do that. But I think that's what I would want.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
We all want to fix Drake, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
All, he deserved a redemption arc. You know what, there's
a change in the series that I'm okay with give
him a full redemption arc. Yeah, because he was right there.
It was right there, and we were so close, and
his story is so tragic, Like imagine Draco, how Draco
would have been if he didn't have the father that
he had and he wasn't forced to be in this

(01:06:46):
role and in this pure blood society. Like I think
that Draco's story is so so tragic, arguably even more
than Harry's at some at sometimes Also in Curse Child,
to spoiler alert for the folks that haven't or seen it,
he becomes the best parent. He's a better dad and
than Harry Potter, He's a better dad than Ron Weasley.
In my opinion, Draco malfoy becomes the best father figure

(01:07:11):
because he doesn't want to break the cycle. We miss
that entire arc like we see in Chrischild. Right, whether
or not you believe that's canon is up to you.
I'm not here to have that debate. But Chursechild, Draco
is an incredible person end of the series. Obviously, he
questions all his choices, Yeah, and what he's done, choosing

(01:07:33):
his mother truly and his family over anything else. Same
with Narsissa. Not a bad person. Just grew up in
a difficult, you know position. Where's that arc? How do
we get to the parent, the good parent that he
is in Chris Child? Are there few slight slight changes?
And honestly I think yes, The answer is yes. Are
there a few slight changes that we can make to

(01:07:54):
Draco's story in the actual like TV series that feel
authentic and like almost like JKR written it that way
JKR started. We see it. We see the pieces in
the sixth and the seventh that are like, for example,
Draco doesn't reveal that it's Harry after he gets that
stinging hecks. Draco hesitates in the sixth in the sixth

(01:08:19):
book to kill Dumbledore. He's actually it seems like he's
about to actually switch sides and be like, okay, like
how do I do this? And then he does it?
So how do we get that arc for him? But yeah,
I would kiss Draco? Okay, all right?

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Would you rather get a love patient from Fred and
George that makes you full head over heels for your
least favorite character or make makes them full head over
heels for you?

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Oh my god, Okay, my least favorite character is Dolores Umbrage.
So is that who I'm falling in love with.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
Yeah, so either you have to have a patient that
makes you fall in love with her.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Actually, I want her to fall in love with me,
because I feel like that would be like I would
use that power for good.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
Yeah, like to have.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
Dolores Umbradge fall in love with you and like make
her maybe not make the ministry round up mud blood,
you know what I mean? Like, I feel like you can, like, yeah, exactly,
I could manipulate her. Yeah, blood potions are not good though,
Like let's be clear.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Mm hmmm, we're not. Yeah, okay. Would you rather have
a Boggot turn into your most embarrassing memory or receive
a howler in the Great Hall from a Pistol family member?

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
That's so hard? I think maybe Boggart. I think Bogart. Yeah, yeah,
I there's so many layers to the howler thing. I
think that's almost more embarrassing and also just like humiliating
on a level that is I don't even want to unpack.

(01:10:06):
Given my family and like who they are and how
angry they get, I think that my most embarrassing memory,
like my pants do fall off in public in front
of people, But now I tell it it's yeah right,
and now it's the funniest story. So I'm kind of
like whatever, like that's my bog art.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
Okay, I like it. Okay, would you rather spend the
night alone in the Forbidden Forest or the Chamber of Secrets?

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Ooh, I think that's a cheat code. I'm only use
a loophole and say Chamber of Secrets just because now
all that's down there is like a big ass vasculus
like skeleton.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Right, so I think I could probably handle that both options. Icky,
But if I went to the Forbidden Forest, could like
maybe see a unicorn?

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
Do you know what? That is? Exactly what Melissa said.
She was like, I think that in forest because I
might see a unicorn. I was like, yeah, so that
is hilarious that you've just literally said the exact same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
That's why everyonet to see a unicorn.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
Yeah, I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
But yeah, but then you could like dive your spider
or worse.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
Yeah, and also like the what's his name? Oh, I
can't remember, the half horse, half man like they're actually.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
Frenzy the center. The center Frensi is the one that's
like good and that teaches at home words. They're all
good they're all good. Listen, I would be pissed off
too if I was a centaur. Like it's basically an
analogy for like all the animals that currently are displaced
because we continue to build into their land and continue
to invade their environment, and they're pissed off. So centaurs

(01:11:47):
just are sentient, you know what I mean. They can
tell us. They can be like, we're pissed off you
keep taking away our territory. What the heck?

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
Yeah? Okay, love that. And now I've got around which
I call love potion, magic missile type. Okay, is my
hotache on?

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
It's yeah, Mary kiss, Yeah, okay, love first one.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
Even I know what you're gonna say with it. Well,
I don't know what you're gonna say, beauct I set
that before and I didn't, Okay, Harry, Cedric Malfoy.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
M okay. So here's the thing. Cedric's already dead, say
he can go. So I yeah, I think I'm gonna
ak Cedric because no harm, no foul, like he's already
got Sorry. I think I'm gonna marry Harry. I mean, listen,

(01:12:46):
he's the star of the Wizarding World. You're set for life,
Harry is old money too, Like he's not only set
for life because he's Harry Potter, but like his grandfather
Fleaman Fleamont Potter. I think it was created the sleek
easy potion and like they have money, so your set

(01:13:08):
for life. Harry Potter is so cute and he's wonderful
and yeah, there's no downsides there. And I think I
would like love Potion Draco because one night with him
sounds great. I don't want life. One night sounds good.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
Okay, perfect, Okay, Next one, ron Fred Bill, Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
You kidding me? Okay, sorry, Ron ak Ron.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
That was so quick Byron.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
Mary Mary Fred. Obviously, I love him and love Potion Bill.
It's very cool.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
Okay, serious, Okay, nice one. Serious, Lupin and Neville.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
What an interesting bunch. My god. I think Serious would
be like so good at it mm hmmmm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
Okay, it's just like a kissing kissing serious.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
Mm hmmm mm hmmm.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
I think I'm marrying Neville obviously. I think if I
weren't to choose anyone in the Wizarding World to marry,
it would be him over Fred. I think I would
like have a long, first serious relationship with Bread and
then realize that like we just want different things, and
then I marry Neville. Yeah, I think I would ak Loopin.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
That's fine, Okay. Last one Lucius, Bellatrix and Lockhart.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Oh my god, Oh my god, I don't know. I
hate this. Can I ak all of them?

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
You can? I mean I can, but like you can
like kiss and marry one of them first.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
Oh there you go. Okay. I think I would marry
Lockhart because I and he's like the best of the
worst in that situation. I like, Lucius has a lot
of benefits in terms of like money and in terms
of like security, in terms of like especially when we're

(01:15:15):
talking about Lucius in like book one, Book two, Book three,
even book four, but he's just like I just know
and like this Lucius makes me so sad, and like
the Malfoy family makes me so sad because I just
know that Lucius is so abusive and like there's no
way to leave him. It seems like for narciss Sar Draco. Yeah,

(01:15:36):
so I think Lockhart, I think I would like, Oh,
I think Belletricks is hot. I mean Helena Bonham Carter
is hot. So I think that like kiss her, like
love potioning her, and then aka Lucius because he deserves
to die.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
Great, that was all my options. Yay, that was so fun.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
This is so fun, so much fun.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Okay, that's kind of everything I had that I thought
we would talk about. Is there any well, I do
you know, I might even say this. I normally say like,
is there anything that we haven't spoken about? But I
think there is like so much we still haven't spoken about.
Maybe we need to do a part two in the
new year, what we can pick up on other stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
So down, this was so fun. I just felt like
being like a nerd with you and talking to one
of my friends. It was so good.

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
Oh well, thank you so much, honesty. I really really
appreciate you saying it speak to me, and also for
just like being really honest about how you feel and obviously,
like you know, you've been really raw with your you know,
the relationship you have with Harry Potter, So I really
appreciate you doing that because it's hard to talk about
those sorts of things, and you know, there are some
really serious undertones to Harry Potter, and.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
There are well I hope that someone listens to this
and is like, Okay, I can feel this way, I
can be all this strongly about Harry Potter, and like,
I know that there are plenty of things that I
said that are country read the fandom, but one thing
I will say is that this fandom is so special
and regardless of how involved you are, right like, maybe

(01:17:10):
you read the books once and you watch them movies
all the time, and like you love it, but you're
not like super involved. Wonderful. Maybe you like are living
in Harry Potter world and that's all you talk about
and it's all you think about. That's also wonderful. This
story connects us all and is so special and like
we were talking about before, is so cozy and comforting,
and like if you find relief, if you find comfort

(01:17:36):
in these stories, that there's no reason for you not
to keep coming back to it. I know that there
are issues with the author, I know that there are
issues with the content. I know that there are issues
with everything, but at this point, like Hogwarts is home.
Harry Potter is my best friend.

Speaker 4 (01:17:53):
And if you feel that way as well, it's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
So that was Chloe. I know you're all going to
adore her as much as I do. And I've clipped
up loads of these parts and put them on my Instagram,
so if you go on, you can also find Chloe's
account there if you don't already follow her. It is
what I can only aspire to in terms of its aesthetic.
Is absolutely gorgeous. And I even had to send her

(01:18:25):
the social clips to get her to send me cover
pictures because I wanted her to be a collaborator, but
I also didn't want to ruin her her Instagram's aesthetic
with my clunky cover pictures. So thank you Chloe for
doing that. I love you. Next week, I have another
person who I actually have known for years. We did

(01:18:46):
a live when the podcast first came out. He did
me such a favor as he had such a strong
following and he did a live with me just to
promote the podcast. And it's Trey. You might know him
as I Am Black Harry. He is just absolutely hilarious
And again we met in real life at leaki Kon
in Chicago a couple of summers ago, and yeah, his

(01:19:11):
journey from starting his account to where it is now
is just really fascinating and I actually think he has
loads of really like unique perspectives on the series and
on the fandom that I hadn't really heard before, so
it's a really really interesting chat. So I hope you
tune in. So that'll be next Tuesday. Between now and then,

(01:19:34):
it would have been Christmas. So if you're listening to
this in real time and not in the future, I
hope you have the most wonderful, magical Christmas and I'll
see

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
You next week