June 28, 2025 • 55 mins
It’s the date that makes even skeptics shudder — but why? In this haunting episode of Chillworthy, co-hosts Talia and Brent peel back the veil on the superstition, symbolism, and real-life horrors behind Friday the 13th. From medieval betrayals and Norse mythology to secret societies and Hollywood slashers, this episode dives deep into how a seemingly ordinary day became the most feared date in Western culture.
You'll hear chilling stories of historical tragedies that occurred on Friday the 13th, the strange psychology of collective fear, and how pop culture — especially a certain hockey-masked killer — turned the superstition into a full-blown phenomenon.
Is it just an unlucky coincidence… or are we all living under a shared curse?
Dim the lights, turn up the volume, and get ready for a date with darkness. This one’s Chillworthy.
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You'll hear chilling stories of historical tragedies that occurred on Friday the 13th, the strange psychology of collective fear, and how pop culture — especially a certain hockey-masked killer — turned the superstition into a full-blown phenomenon.
Is it just an unlucky coincidence… or are we all living under a shared curse?
Dim the lights, turn up the volume, and get ready for a date with darkness. This one’s Chillworthy.
Click here to see all listening options and links
Find us on socials:
Instagram: @chillworthypodcast
Bluesky: @chillworthypodcast
Skylight: @chillworthypodcast
Youtube: @chillworthypodcast
Click here to leave a donation to support the podcast
DISCLAIMER The content presented on Chillworthy, including all episodes, transcripts, social media posts, and associated materials, is intended for informational and entertainment purposes only. The podcast does not offer legal, medical, psychological, or professional advice of any kind. While the hosts—Brent and Talia—make a good faith effort to ensure that the information shared is based on publicly available sources and is as accurate as possible at the time of recording, Chillworthy does not guarantee the completeness, timeliness, or reliability of any statements made. Listeners should be aware that cases may involve ongoing legal proceedings or developments that evolve over time. The hosts are not licensed attorneys, journalists, law enforcement professionals, or forensic experts. Opinions expressed in the podcast reflect the personal views of the hosts and do not represent factual determinations or official findings. All individuals named or discussed are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Any resemblance to real individuals or entities, outside of those explicitly named, is purely coincidental. The podcast is not affiliated with or endorsed by any legal authority, news outlet, or investigative body. By listening to Chillworthy, you acknowledge and accept these terms and agree not to hold the hosts or producers liable for any inaccuracies, misstatements, or interpretations derived from the content.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
You're listening to Chillworthy.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
A podcast we're two best friends discuss mysteries, murders, and
anything in between for your enjoyment.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
So if you're ready to hear some chilling and unsettling cases,
you're in the right place, happy listening.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hello, Hello, welcome back to our podcast, Chillworthy with Brent
and Talia.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Everybody, So, in honor of Friday the thirteenth that just
recently passed, we decided we're going to switch places in
how we speak in today's episode, just for the intro though,
don't worry, and then when we get into the topic,
(00:54):
we will go back to ourselves. So how are you
doing very well?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
And how are you fine? Good? Did you? Oh? Yes? Yes?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Okay, So okay, I forget we're going to keep this
two fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I don't want to do then, okay, So yes, I
read one book. It's by that same author, Noel Ihally
ai Lely right, just you know, just not really a
fan of this one.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
You didn't really like it?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
No, I didn't. I you know, I gave it two
point five stars. It was fine.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I'm just fine, all right. You wouldn't recommend it, I
think for like.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Maybe a new thriller writer maybe, but it was leader
you mean, yes, it was just yeah, very predictable. You know,
I knew exactly what was happening right from the beginning
like that. And I don't like it. I just I
don't like it. Man, that's fine. So yeah, and that
(02:03):
I mean, that's pretty much it. Oh okay, it's a
rainy day out, super cozy. What about you?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, I read some. I read well. I finished Golden
Girl by you did, by that author that you aren't
interested in? Yeah, Sea Shore writer Ellen Hildebrand, which I
just learned today how to actually say her name? The
(02:38):
mutual friend that I always referenced that I decided the
jig is up Erica is my friend who always identifies that.
So we always go back and forth. We both like her,
and we always go back and forth on you know,
how do you actually pronounce her name? Because of how
it's spelled, it's evil.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Water o' sorry, sorry, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
The way it's spelled. Are you okay?
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Over?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
There is everything? Okay?
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Is e l I N?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
So we thought, is it Elin?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Ellen?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I don't know, it's actually Ellen And for anyone who's
into her.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
I then realized today or discovered she has a podcast
called Book.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Speech and Beyond, and I found it on Apple Podcasts.
But it's her and this guy that she referred to
as her or husband, and I guess they interview authors,
like well known authors on there. They obviously talk about
new books, so if anybody is interested in that, also
also in this book, so I would I'd say a three.
(03:48):
Like it was interesting concept. The woman passes away, she's
talking to us from the afterlife. That's you know, that's
early on, so you know, I got the chill chill worthy.
(04:12):
But what I wanted to tell you that I thought
you would really enjoy this fun fact is that while
I was reading it, the one character goes on a
book tour to yeah, and she starts naming the different
states and I guess, like well known independent bookstores that
(04:33):
she's making what appearances in and she mentions my name.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Brows about books and that's the beach bookshit. And I
got very excited and I had to tell you about it.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Well, thank you, You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
You're very welcome.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
So the.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Audiobook The Life We by Alan Eskins finished that gave
that three stars like the other audiobook, and like I
said to you. I just don't know if audiobooks are
for me. I don't know if every audiobook is just
going to automatically get three stars. I don't know. I
think I would have enjoyed that one better as a
real book, like to read.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Sorry, I was watching the Snails. I just yeah, yeah, hey,
I mean you like.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
What you like?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Man, right, So that's it, all right.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Did you notice the full moon this week?
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Me?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
It was a strawberry moon? I didn't either. Did you
see the shirt I'm wearing?
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Yeah? I did.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
It's my Jaws shirt?
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
My mom just gone it for me. I was most excited.
You know. It's the fiftieth anniversary of job Is.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
And fifty years I know.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
And she got me the hardcover, which, like I told you,
I think last hardcover. I was just going to read it,
you know, from Libby, but it has like mentioned or
makes mentioned. I should say on the cover that it's
the fiftieth anniversary. I think I'm going to start it
this week if it's hot out.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Do you know what the weather's going to be? I
did check, and you did.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
It looks as though, you know, eighties, but some rain.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I think that'll be nice.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
All right. So we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I gotta stop it. I'm exhausted. You need to say that.
I am. I didn't stop it. I'm exhausted. I know
I'm sweating. Oh my god, I can't keep being you.
Good job, good job, thank you. Wow.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
All right, you're bet fiction. All right?
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Well that was wild, absolutely wild.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Did anything spooky happened to you on Friday the thirteenth
that you recall?
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Oh, I thought you meant while I was being you
that I recall. No, yeah, well actually yeah, well tell
me it's not, but it would be spooky to you.
Oh Jesus.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
So then somebody, I guess, knocked on the door.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Well, you know, I normally don't have marmalade sleep with me, right,
but Friday night, just for some reason, I was like,
you know, it's like I'm going to go to bed
a little bit early. It was kind of like a
little bit muggy downstairs, so I thought, And of course
I have the air on in my room, so I
was like, you know what, she's being good. She can
(07:55):
just come up and whatever, as long as I don't
get a completely used to not going into her crate
at night. Because she is a very good girl. In
her crate, right, A nice treat, right, So and so
she slumber party, right, Yeah, I said we're gonna have
a sleepover. Gosh, so you know, we go up, she's
(08:16):
in bed whatever. But she did start lowly barking at
three am, just just got the chill chid just uh,
just kind of like looking in the room. Yeah, no, no,
although I will, I'm just saying it was Friday. Well,
technically I guess it was Saturday the fourteenth. At that point, you're.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Sure it was past Oh yeah, you did just say
that the inside the room barking. I will always take
though over danger something appears to be outside that's rustling
or whatever inside the room.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I mean, I well, I was I thought you would
think it was a ghost.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Correct, right exactly, And I will take.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
You said spooky, not dangerous. Spooky.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Sorry sorry, yes.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
It's all right. Right, So, so what the hell happened
to you?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
There was some wildness on frat? I doubt it, but
it all's well, that ends well, and I'm happy you got.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
A call from an unknown number. Somebody was acting about
your car insurance.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Just had to sort through some things, and yeah, truly, Well, So,
first off, I think when I woke up that day,
I was thinking to myself, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
I'm grateful I have arms, right which we have to
do that I know we haven't and we're only nine
minutes in so far. Zip keep it moving, yes a zip? Zip?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
What was I saying? Oh? Yeah, I sort of think
of it as like forgive me, but scarre mary. Something
that has negativity associated with it, I think can be
like a positive you know, kind of like profound awakening
or like a jolt sort of to your system kind
(10:14):
of thing. And also it reminds me of like moon cycles,
Like people associate such negativity with moon cycles, especially the
full moon, and oh that's when like the crazies are out,
and this is when this is happening.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
And bad and weirdos.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
And I hate that negative connotation. And I was thinking
with rid of the thirteenth that day, like, you know,
it doesn't have to be bad.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Of course, not wild a little bit of lexus.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
So yeah, it turned out to be a fine day
that I was very.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Grateful for, well, wonderful. So do you want to take
us into whatever flow your boat?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Probably you know sharks, I think you know, we'll stay
with that theme. Do you remember the Great white Mary
Mary Lee. I'm not joking.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
I know you're not joking, but absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
All right, Well, she was a great white who is
believed to probably still be alive. I forget when I
looked it up this week, like she popped into my
head and I just wanted to check in because why
not she was She would be mentioned a lot during
Shark Weeks and like there was a tracker around.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
I never watched Shark Week ever in my life. I
don't know what goes on on Shark Week.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
None of that is of my My jaw just continuously
pops as it's gaping open, my mouth gaping open at
you saying that you have never not even like, oh.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
No whatever you're about to say, No, wow, it's not
for me.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Even when you were a kid. No, that's when it
all started. The love Well, it's basically I mean, it's
changed over the years. I will say I enjoyed it
more as a child, but really, who am I kidding?
I freaking love it as an adult. So I suppose
that's a bunch of mallarchy. But it's basically like Shark
show after Sharks show after sharkshow like different breeds of them,
(12:17):
like mannerism's behavior, how they look differently, like these marine
biologists who will go out on these boats and like
try to not catch them but like basically temporarily catch
them in order to tag them. And Mary Lee, her
battery just died, so they were It was an article
that I found that was saying, like, there's like speculation
that she died. And the man who I don't know
(12:39):
what he's like in charge of this program, he named
her after his mother. That's his mother's Mary Lee. And
he was like, no, like, I definitely think she's still
with us. And I mean she was popping up a
lot in New England, like she was, you know, all
over the place, also the Carolinas. But it's just a
shame like her, you know, the battery died. They can't
track her anymore. But he she has very distinct markings
(13:02):
on her dorsal thin and like a notch in it.
So he was saying that, you know, if they were
to find her again or come across her, she would
be pretty easy to identify.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
And she was beauty, remember oh speaking of that, Yeah,
she was beautiful. Oh my god, she has, oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
These white milky spots on her sides. She was gorgeous.
It said she was fifteen feet She was a big girl,
big o' three. No, I want to say three thousand pounds,
maybe one thousand, three hundred pounds, but I'm pretty sure
it was three thousand. She was a big girl. That
just reminded me that what you said, I did watch, well,
(13:39):
I didn't finish it, but I did start Jurassic World.
How I said, I think last time. How like it's summertime.
I'm really in the mood to watch it. It's such
a good movie. I'll be finishing it this evening anyway. Yeah,
it is, it really is. It is obviously the nod
to the very first one that is so heavy, and
that is I think why it's like my second favorite.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
And how that one of the kids on the on
the ram going into the park, like in the first
couple of scenes is reading doctor Malcolm's book Chaos Theory.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Absolutely absolutely, which reminds me real quick. You just brought
up about did we talk about that last time? How
the new Jurassic Park is, Guy, I think we did.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
We did. They don't need to hear again, right.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
So yeah, I would say I'm just grateful for sharks
I think they get a bad rap. I get why,
but I just think they're extremely misunderstood. And as I've
told you many times, I don't know if I've ever
said it on this podcast, I would love to come
into contact with one, yes, and I just I would
hope that they could sense in me I come in peace.
(14:44):
I just want to bop them like I just want
to touch their little cheeky's a nosebop and be on
my way.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
And I know if it were all the time we've gone.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
What are you thankful?
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Oh? Get out of here.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
You sure do tell a nice story. I have a story.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
What I like see you? You are something that you know,
something that I enjoy that floats my boat. Yeah, when
you're in a drive through, I'm sure when you're not here.
When you're in a drive through and they have the
first window is cut into the corner, I love that.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
I don't think I follow.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
It's like, instead of you going around the side of
the building, the corner is cut out and that's where
the window is. Do you get the hell what I'm saying.
Instead of a square of the building flush with the wall,
the corner then is diagonal. So when you turn the car.
You know you're in.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
You may have to draw this and I'm not joking.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
So all right, you order you start to drive here,
let's do this.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
This is a corner. Let's do this here with the tape. Okay,
so this is the window. No no, no, no, this
is the speaker phone. All right, so you're pulling, pulling
straight away.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Right as you start to turn, the window is there
right there?
Speaker 2 (16:17):
So you have to do it anyway.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
I'm just saying I love that they you maximize that space, right.
I don't think I've ever seen absolutely.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
You let's say that I haven't. I was like, well,
I obviously have.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Well I think the chillers will understand what I'm saying.
But I just love when the first window is cut
into the corner of the building.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
It's all about the little thing.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I think it's I think it's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Means yes, so yeah, I think that was nice. That
was a nice, unique one. I totally even think you
were going to say.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
More where that came from as you say, so all right,
now everybody, it's uh, it's Talia's turn to present case today.
So I'm just gonna sit back and let her do it.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Well, and the topic today is related to how we
started this. No, I did the I don't know mythology,
the what's the word superstition surrounding Friday the thirteenth?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
There the lure, right, Well, let's hear it all right
real quick.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I also wanted to tell you, Yeah, when I was
walking the dogs last night, I stopped, well they stopped.
I stopped, and you know, they're snurfing around and the
smell like hit me like I couldn't place it. It
wasn't like a fire that someone was having. It was
like I just couldn't place it.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
And it was cool last night, could you place it?
Speaker 2 (17:53):
And you know some people's windows were open.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Guess what it was?
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Freaking incense? Oh the windows. It was coming out the windows.
It was so lovely and refreshing. Also wanted to tell
you that I had a complete hysterical moment on Friday
evening when I was outside and I saw the first
lightning bug of the season. I was incredibly moved, raced
(18:19):
in the house, began sobbing to Ashley, and then Erica
and I are talking yesterday and she told me, did
you know they're going to be extinct?
Speaker 1 (18:33):
You freaking knew that? I did not hope not soon.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Well, she sent me an article and it had you
like sign in through like National Geographic but for your
Disney Plus account, which apparently I did do. But then
when I just tried to go into it, it's like
not letting me in. So scratch that TVD until later.
But it's like pesticide related correct, a shocker, I know exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
It's just it's I mean, it has something to do
with human ruining things. Yes, the hell out of here.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
And because I was saying to her, I told her
the story and I was like there was only one though,
like I was, you know, gawking looking for more, and
like there were none. And I do think this was
still a little early too, but how absolutely depressing.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
They should have firefly farms, agreed. I think that's one concept.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yes, yes, okay, Now related to the topic, do you
believe in Friday the thirteenth?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Do you believe in firefly? Yes? I do. I mean
I think they are among us. I think they're my
favorite bug, really, are they? No? I mean I don't.
I'm not a huge bug fan of things in general. Right, obviously,
you know there are a few exceptions, but wait, wait, wait,
(19:58):
you mean what do you mean, like, there are a
few bugs that are cool with me? Yeah, all right,
you know the butterfly, yeah, the moth, yeah, of course,
of course, the fuzzy little caterpillars. Right.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
They used to fall on my head as a child
in this cemetery that our family members were in that
I loved playing at the cemetery. There was a huge hill.
I just loved wandering around there, and they had these
freaking big, old furry boys and they would just drop
from the trees right in to your head.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Sounds magical, Uh, lady, bugs are obviously completely fine. So
but yeah, I mean that.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I think I can't believe you didn't say the praying
mantis not.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I wouldn't say that's really yeah. I mean they're okay,
but like I wouldn't want to see one on my leg.
I'll tell you that. That would be everything else I
just spoke of. I would see on my leg and
I would be cool with. Yes, I used to collect
them when I was little. I'm sorry, I mean let
them go then. Obviously I liked the gray ones. There
(21:07):
were brown ones and gray ones. Never saw gray fuzzy.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
You're talking all fuzzy though, I am talking to that. Yeah,
not non fuzzy, if you can believe it. Did you
like earthworms?
Speaker 1 (21:20):
I freaking was not particularly. The point is I think
fireflies are probably my my fave. And like I said,
I remember, I said this about a year ago, and
that was before so you know, because I did get
a tattoo from when I said, I never thought I
got a tattoo, and here's here I am with a tattoo.
But I have saved multiple pictures of fireflies in case
(21:44):
I ever do go that route of having a couple
of fireflies, you know, in the right bits and bobs around,
And I specifically looked up the one, the Pennsylvania firefly
because there are different ones. Interesting, so yeah, you know,
I'm prepared.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
What is different about that one?
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Like what does it look like? Like? It's just the
type of firefly's here? Like, you know, because they're in
the Beatle family, I guess.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
I did not know that, but anyway, you know.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
That makes sense though when you think of how their
wings open, because very similar to the ladybug, who's a beetle?
Speaker 1 (22:24):
She she is?
Speaker 4 (22:28):
So yeah, but do you remember what I was gonna say, So,
what is the actual question that you've asked me, do
I believe in Friday the Third?
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Oh, I don't want to talk about that yet. Do
you remember years ago when we were in Rehobst. I
think we we we had to have been, and there
was a praying mantis that came to me on a blanket.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Vaguely, I remember you got like beach fleas or something else.
I did not get beach flea bites. I remember that
they were on your ankles and you picked up some ticks.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
I was just going to say, I remember you and
I You and I went on a hike and then
we went to the beach and I had like my
leg up on my knees and I was like, what's this?
And yeah, I did have a tick. You're absolutely right.
So I do not remember the beach fully situation.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Wasn't that just you just had little bumps? Now I
don't think so.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
But the praying mantis came to me inside the house
on the blanket, and I think one of the guys
who was with us was about to dispose of it,
and I freaked out and like went on and on
how it's illegal, you can't And it was like a baby.
It was a smaller one and then he corrected himself
and we brought it to say together exactly exactly. It
(23:46):
was nice all right, yes, ride of the thirteenth? Now,
just like what are your thoughts on? Like when it
hit me earlier last week, like, oh my gosh, we
have a Friday the thirteenth coming, like that excites me,
Like I was like like I don't know, like it
(24:07):
just gives me a jolt, and then I don't know
what to expect. Is it going to be a crazy day?
Is it going to be a fun day? Is it
going to be a little bit of a spooky day?
Is weird shit gonna happen?
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Like?
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Am I going to feel any different? How is it's
going to be? Do you think like that?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Not at all?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
So like not even on your radar or like.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Not even on your birthday?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
But like or okay, yes you woke up you realized
it was Friday the thirteenth, whatever.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Or yes, just what you said whatever? Okay, I mean
it's fine, right, no harm No, fine, that's it.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
That makes sense. You're speaking a language I understand, right,
all right, So I like knew nothing about any.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Sort of history or origins here.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I know I knew that which shook you. So it
is primarily because in Western cultures the origin stem from
a combination of historical and religious beliefs and like negative
events that have occurred associated with the date of the thirteenth,
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but also like okay, hold on, no oh, and actually
I didn't know this, that these particular superstitions are associated
with Friday the thirteenth. And I'm still not clear on
how this is exactly. But like the breaking of mirror,
thirteen years of bad luck?
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Oh? Yeah, man, walking on unless you bury a piece, Yeah,
if you bury a piece of the glass, the glass
that you broke.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Can that be my next message? Alert tone? I never
heard that?
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Have you ever heavy? Have you? I think I have
once a long long time with br I think I did,
yeah once.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Wow, where'd you bury the peace?
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Like the business? None yet? What other superstition?
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Walking under a ladder? Yeah, I've done that multiple I
have their day in the hospital. There was a ladder
this construction man. We made eye contact. I sort of
checked in, like can I do this? You didn't say anything,
so off I went and haul's well that ends well?
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Right?
Speaker 2 (26:40):
That one just never got me.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I'm assuming the black cat I thought that was.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Going to come up to in this but it didn't.
But Spilling of the Salt did.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Oh, Mac dumb and dumber when he spills it in
the nine.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
So that's where I went in my head. But I'm
still not like.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
He goes throw that over your shoulder and then he
hits that big trucker man. Yes, that's exactly the kick
assy bass. You know.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I hate humor like that, But god, I love that movie.
I love that movie since I was a kid. That
shirt I got you What does it say on it?
Speaker 1 (27:19):
I know I know what you're something? Yeah, like we
got no food, we got no money, our pet's heads
are falling off. Yes, God, that was a.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Good find and has four little soul on it.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Spelling of the Salty just sold some stuff like what peaty? Yeah?
That that blind kid down the street's petty.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I know.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
It's so pretty bird. It's it's horrible that movie, but
it is. It is a masterpiece. It is, it really is.
And I think that that what's her name, the one
with the red hair, who was married to him at
one point, like they I think they were husband and
wife when that movie was made. I thought she was
so pretty.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
It's just fine, just very moon.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Okay, anyway, well we're never going to get through.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I wait now, it was spilling over the yeah, so
that one when I have done it, which you know
how I spill literally everything, literally all the time. By
the way, one day the other week at work, I
spilled my entire freshly filled water.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Cup, all partially filled, all over my lap.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
As I was seated, this ship went through my pants.
The pull back of my thigh was soaked like some France,
some area by my ankle, and it was unfortunate. It
was nearing the end of the day. But then I
had to like leave, I get it, tons of people
walking behind me. I couldn't believe. I was so pissed
and I had just filled it with ice, and you
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know how I feel about ice. What a freaking waste
I do? Oh my god, I was so upset to
spilling salt. So when I've done that, it like occurs
to me like this isn't good. But then I never
know what shoulder. I don't know what you're supposed to do,
so I don't do anything. And I also think it's interesting,
how uts so my entire screens So.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
You were trying to do scoopy doo for a second,
that raggy I don't know how to get I don't
know what's happening over there.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
On my screen. But with salt. I also think it's
interesting how salt is protective, A ring of salt around
your property, around yourself. Are you looking at me or something?
Speaker 1 (29:47):
I'm looking at you. So what's the deal? I was
thinking about that thing. A circle of salt will protect
thy victim from thy power.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
That's what I'm saying. I'm thinking about.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Right, which she completely wasted all that salt. What a clever,
little white witch.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
We are so in the weeds. It's not even funny.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
This episode is living in the weeds. And that's it. Fine,
is there to say about it?
Speaker 2 (30:16):
I like it, all right, all right, all right, just
listen now for a minute. I know I don't do
this for you, but just listen, scary Maria.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Yeah, that's certainly all right now. So I just looked
it up. Okay, it says spilling salt, thank you. Sure.
It's often considered bad luck due to long standing superstition.
It probably originated from the high value of salt in
ancient times, interesting and its association with the devil in
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some religious contexts. Some people believe that the superstition stems
from the depiction of a spilled salt seller by Judas.
Say that three times asked, Oh, I guess there's spilled
salt by Judas in The Last Supper painting.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
That is in my freaking thing about thirteen the Last Supper. Wait, now,
I want to do a deep dive.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
I was painting and very quickly. An old English belief
has it that every grain of salt spilled represents future tears.
The Germans believe that whoever spills salt arouses nymity nmity
e n mit y mmity, because it is thought to
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be the direct act of the devil, the peace disturber.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
That is, the state or feeling of being actively opposed
or hostile to someone or something.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
So I guess it says throwing salt over the left
shoulder left it prevents evil spirits from entering the house,
which I'm assuming it's saying, when you spill the salt,
you're it has context to the devil and stuff. So
it's kind of like when you spill it, you're almost saying, hey.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Come on in, bring him like a genie in a bottle.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
I'm not sure about that, I think it's more like
a beckoning sign. But then when you throw it over
your shoulder, you're like a you know, like hate it easy.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
I just found The widespread superstition about spilling salt bringing
bad luck is widely believed to originate from Leono. From
Leonardo da Vinci's painting, the spilled salt specifically is interpreted
as a symbol of Judas's betrayal of Jesus and foreshadows
the bad luck associated with that event, because that's obviously
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the night before.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Friday, right, But I just think the Lady Gaga song
I'm in Love with Judah Judah hus I never heard
of fine.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
All right now I'm here, me too.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
We're both here, baby, yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
I'm trying to see this. I mean, God knows, my
vision's not great. There's Mary Magdalene. Well, where the hell
is the spilled Spieledel?
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Where is that spieled salt? Steven Spielberg, Spielberger, listen, you
gotta do this later, man, Oh.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Here I found it. I found it. Oh, okay, okay, okay.
He's in blue, he's got the beard and it's right
by his wrist.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Here I see it. I've been seeing it. I need
to tell me, Well, what am I hell is to do?
I'm not moving moving, I'm not moving to walk over
and show you I'm comfortable.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I see it now, all right, here we go, all right, Okay, so.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
The spilled salt came from Friday the thirteenth.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Okay, fine, So the number thirteen itself, yeah, is potentially
scene is unlucky because twelve is considered to be a
complete number. And then as in like the standard for
our months for the year twelve, there are twelves, there
(34:19):
are twelve zodiac signs. I don't really see why that
then makes thirteen unlucky, Like I think that was kind
of weak as a superstition.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
I agree with that, but I also have heard from
multiple sources. I can't name any though.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Because of confidentiality.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
No, because I don't remember that there used to be
thirteen months in the year. And something about the Romans,
because they that's the calendar we use.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Right, correct, Gregurian calendar.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
The Romans were, of course, what would the word be, pompous, arrogant, greedy,
absolutely whatever. I always loved the Greeks, but that's because Zena,
we won't go.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Down, and you we were just talking about it earlier. Oh,
you know, you should have brought that up in the
beginning for the intro with that new show. But you
in Greek mythology.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Oh, I love Greek mythology. But talking about the Romans
is that the chaos? No chaos with this k everybody.
Jeff Goldbloom plays Zeus in a Netflix show called Chaos.
It's pretty cute any way, But I guess two of
the people August well Augustus, right, Caesar.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Romans, Caesar, augusta.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Whatever, and somebody else wanted bigger months, so they took
a month and split it in half and added it
to their own months, like August august Is was named
after Augustus or whatever. Okay, so he got it like
thirty one days, and then there was another month that
(35:53):
got a lot like like added more days. And then
cutie little February, he's got twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
You know your partial to February?
Speaker 1 (36:02):
I am. I love February, right.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
You know what name I enjoy back from all of
this with Nope, Jesus's Crucifixion, punches Pilot. I always enjoyed
saying that punches Pilot, doesn't it have a nice ring?
And he's a terrible person.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
I always thought Mary Magdalene was a very.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Nice, a good one. Yes, absolutely, absolutely precisely.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Now, real quick, there's nothing real. I don't mean that.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Friday the thirteenth, Yeah, that is what we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
No, sorry, the.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Movie Jason Voorhees, isn't that right?
Speaker 1 (36:43):
In my head? Immediately, I thought you meant Freaky Friday
with Lis Lohan, which was Friday the thirteenth. Also, Now,
there was a.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Friday the thirteenth though that I loved, and it was
the older version.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Who's in that?
Speaker 2 (36:56):
No, Jamie Lee Curtis is in that one you mentioned?
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Yeah, erect, I don't even know what the hell you're
talking about.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
There was an older, older one.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
I don't know. Well, we'll find that out later.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
No, I want to know. Now. Oh, this isn't helpful.
I'm freaking typing and Friday the thirteenth, but it's Freaky
Friday lips. Here we go, Ah, here we go, Here
we go. I knew it. Nineteen seventy six. My god,
I knew it. Jodie Foster, did I ever see this?
(37:30):
Maybe I'm making this up. I thought that was the
one that I liked.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Now I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
That's all right, Yeah, I guess all right. Now back
to the horror movie though. Have you ever seen it?
No you haven't. No, I have, but many many years ago,
and I do remember being frightened.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Well, all right, all right, So.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Friday the thirteenth, you know, like we've talked about with
the Gregorian calendar, Ye, it happens at least once every year,
but can occur up to three times in the same year.
For a month. To have a Friday the thirteenth, the
first day of the month must begin on a Sunday.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Is that fat is fascinating?
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Are you being funny? No?
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Yeah, I didn't know that. Ye.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
So having a fear of the number thirteen, just generally speaking,
is called bear with me trisc guy, decca phobia, which
the trisc means three I means and Decca ten phobia.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Four. No, you know what, I would have absolutely just
kept rolling with it.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Fear Jesusia four. So there was a Stephen King interview
I listened to or watch just this brief little bit,
and he says he has it. He was on Conan O'Brien.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Oh, I'm sure Stephen King is scared of the number thirteen. Well,
I don't think so stupid.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
It's like a little I feel like thing he subscribes to,
like I feel like it's a thing, like we all
have our things, and who would have thought he has
that as a thing.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
But that's like a deep sea diver who's scared of sharks.
I mean, that doesn't even make sense.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
He referenced hotels, and he's like, you know, how many
times do you see which I feel like this isn't
necessarily a thing like it used to be. I remember
definitely when I was little. I noticed it more on
like elevator button, Hell yeah, not having thirteen. And his
thing is like I stay, which I don't know how
this can be with how famous he is and like
(39:54):
having to go to book signings or events or whatever
surrounding his new releases that are kind of constant. He
says that, like he doesn't really like staying in hotels
because of them having Like he was saying, basically, you
can't avoid it because then if they skip the floor,
the fourteenth is the thirteenth, you know what I mean,
(40:14):
Like you're never not having the thirteenth floor.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
In a hotel, Okay, so then just don't stand the
twelfth the thirteenth or the fourteenth floor, for god sake.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
I agree. So whatever, what were you going to say?
Speaker 1 (40:22):
I remember that book that we used to have, like
in middle school, the Wayside School or whatever.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
It had like it was wobbly looking.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Yeah, and they didn't have a thirteenth floor.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
I loved that book. I remember that was on the
Scholastic book scene.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I loved.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
That freaking book. So okay. So another source of this
unlucky reputation of the number thirteen is a Norse myth
about twelve gods having a dinner party in Valhalla, and
the trickster god Loki, who was not invited, arrived as
the thirteenth guest to this dinner, which ended up being
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resulting in the death of ball Balder.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
I don't know anything about that mythology.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
He's the Joe, he's the god of joy and gladness,
and he's nice while he was shot with a missile
toe tipped arrow most fascinating. So when Balder died, that
triggered the suffering in the world, and then that's where
this number thirteen being unlooky came through in there mythology
(41:27):
certainly is then it mentions the you know, last supper
on Holy Thursday, and that there were thirteen individuals in attendance.
Judas was the thirteenth guest that was seated, and you know,
he betrayed Jesus, which led to his death. And that
(41:49):
also precipitated people thinking it's bad luck if you're going
to have a dinner party to have thirteen people in attendance,
Like that's a thing.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
That's that I had to worry about ever. Kit out
of here, just saying you've had parties here, You've had
not dinner parties, okay, and certainly not for thirteen people. Fine,
there's not a pizza big enough in the world for
me to warm up for thirteen.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Oh why youre's thatch a storyteller, like you don't cook?
Oh yeah, but that if you apparently have these thirteen people,
that it could prompt or trigger death or so I
guess wow for that, I don't know, man, all right.
(42:35):
You know, there's obviously like evidence of both the number
thirteen and Friday being associated together as unlucky, But there's
no record of these two items being referred to together
as being like that they're especially unlucky combined. Before the
nineteenth century. So there was a novel called Friday the
(42:55):
Thirteenth that was published in nineteen oh seven by T. W.
La and that contributed to popularizing the superstition. So in
the novel, an unscrupulous broker takes advantage of the superstition
and that creates a Wall Street panic that takes place
on Friday the thirteenth. So in other cultures though, it's yes,
(43:18):
the number thirteen, but not when it falls on a Friday.
For instance, in Spanish countries, instead of Friday.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
It's Tuesday the thirteenth Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
And the Greeks also consider Tuesday the thirte well, they
consider tuesdays to be unlucky, but especially if it's Tuesday
the thirteenth, that's unlucky.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Doesn't quite had the same ring to.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Tuesday is considered dominated by the influence of airis the
god of war?
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Have you?
Speaker 2 (43:53):
That's what I thought too. But it's not spelled like
aries a r ees or is that how you say it.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
It's not spelled like aries. It's spelled like aris.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Aries, Like the zodiac sign is spelled ar i ees,
not r ees. Oh well it is Aries is the
god of war, So that's that Greek mythology you.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Like, yeah, and he was all over Xena Ah so
beautiful Zena aries oh yes, right right, okay, yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
The fall of Constantinople to the Fourth Crusade occurred on Tuesday,
April thirteenth.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Well who didn't know that four?
Speaker 2 (44:41):
And this so like this wasn't the thirteenth, but it
was a Tuesday. The fall of Constantinople to the Ottomans
that happened on Tuesday, May twenty ninth, fourteen fifty three.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
But that's what the Recliner's doing during all this. I
don't even know who the hell. I don't know what
any of these things got that you're talking abo.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Because I don't know anything about history, So that makes
me feel better.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
But lazy boys that I feel like I'm giving a history.
I'm not sure what. I don't know what the overarching
thing is that we're that we're here for yet yeah okay,
so just okay, just the history of seventeenth Now it's
(45:26):
going to get good. This is what we've all been
waiting for.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
So this second fall of content just strength.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
I hope nobody's driving while they're listening to this. First
for operating having.
Speaker 5 (45:50):
Machinery the superstition about Tuesday, all right.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
In addition, in Greek, the name of the day, and
please pardon me, I'm sure I'm going to be saying
this wrong is treaty meaning the third day of the week,
adding way to the superstition. Since they say bad.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
Luck account, I feel like I'm in a college class present.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
All right.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
In Italian culture, Friday the seventeenth is considered a bad
luck day. I'm not even going to explain why that
is because it's very confusing.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
So I like, I still doesn't have the same ring
to it.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
No, it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Also back to Tuesday. Tuesday the thirteenth only happens in
months that begin on a Thursday. All right, okay, so
the people so all right? So, According to the Stress
Management Center and Phobia Institute, which is in North Carolina,
an estimated seventeen to twenty one million people in the
(47:12):
United States are affected by fear of Friday the thirteenth species.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
That's nuts.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
It is the most feared day and date in history.
They may like people who really ticket seriously might avoid
like everyday things and their normal routines like literally going
to work, getting on an airplane, or even like getting
out of their bed that day, like in fear that
the minute that they do something insane might happen. It's
(47:38):
estimated that in the US eight hundred to nine million,
one hundred, eight hundred to nine hundred million dollars is
lost in business on this date.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
That is absurd. I know, I know so soon, and
I should be going shopping. I guess avoid the crowds.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
So in terms of like air lines Delta and Continental
that now merged into United Airlines, they claim their airlines
did not suffer from any noticeable drop and revenue on
those Fridays. Okay, they don't agree. A study that took
place in nineteen ninety three by Scanlon, Lubin, Scanlon, and
(48:20):
Singleton concluded that quote the risk of hospital admission as
a result of a transport accident may be increased by
as much as fifty two percent on the thirteenth.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
Well, I'd like to interject something.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
Oh yes, yes, please yes.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
According to Google, there are not any more plane crashes
on Friday the thirteenth than any other day, and in fact, statistically,
statistically speaking, right, it suggested that actually flying on Friday
the thirteenth may be fractionally safer because there's there actually
seems to be less fatal accidents on Friday to thirteenth.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
So I was just about to say, Now, this was
a two thousand and eight study and it was like
an insurance statistics thing from the Netherlands, and they kind
of said something similar. They said, fewer accidents and reports
of fire and theft occur when the thirteenth of the
month falls on a Friday, and they feel that people
(49:25):
it's because they're staying home or they're like going out
of their way to be more careful. They're behaving obviously
for plane rides, but right also in the Netherlands, statistically speaking,
driving is slightly safer on that day. In the last
two years, Dutch insurers received reports of an average seventy
(49:47):
eight hundred traffic accidents each Friday, but the average fell
to seventy five hundred when the thirteenth fell on a Friday.
So who the hell knows what the Dutch, although there's
always at least one Friday the thirteenth per calendar year,
it can be as long as fourteen months between two
(50:08):
Friday the thirteenths There can be no more than three
Friday the thirteenths in a single calendar.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
Right, that's it. Oh, I was abrupt, it was I
feel like.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
There was one other thing I wanted to say to you.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
Hit the finish line real quick.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
This one. I don't think, Well, what is like? Who cares?
But I didn't know this, but like Friday the thirteenth
has kind of emerged as like a holiday within the
tattoo world, and they run like a lot of tattoo
shops run like specials, like sales.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
Where flash sales.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
I was just gonna say that, yes, are you being funny, Like.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
That's what it's fun I'm not trying to be funny, right,
So like the.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
Flash tattoos where you're not picking it, I mean you're
picking it out, but like you're not going in.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
With their predesigned exactly.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
And then you precisely say you a little freaking tetto
Now wow, fancy schmssy. So this I had never heard
of before.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
So you've said that about it literally everything. So I'm
going to start assuming until you tell me you have
heard about it. You've never heard about any of this.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
I'm about to be done.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
This is it.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
This is legitate. Now when I'm going to I see.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
What is it so that.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
If you incorporate the number thirteen and the tattoo that
you're getting, that's going to be a true body for Oh,
you incorporate well sorry, no whatever, you get the number
thirteen on you get a flash tattoo. Ye, the number
thirteen incorporated it whatever. Yes, that it's an antidote to
the bad luck of thirteen being an unlucky number.
Speaker 1 (51:54):
Hair of the dog basically, yes, right.
Speaker 2 (51:58):
You're essentially like you have the bad luck on your body.
Speaker 3 (52:01):
All right, it will pass you Byash, not just pass,
but pash.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
Extra safe. Well, pash me the Sultan full of pission vinegar.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
If you listen to our last no, last two episodes.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Right, yes, oh my god. Well it's been a wild ride,
fun at times for sure.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
You know I have a book, Yeah that has I
think I told you or showed you this before, but
like it has, like he's just an entire book of
old superstitions. I feel like I should bring that over
to our studio. Absolutely, and you know that might be
something fun to explore every once in a while. I
(52:57):
don't know what when it was written, but I mean
it's seems to be like I want to say, like
back in the nineteen seventies. Maybe, Oh, I.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
Feel like something like this would be better written then,
you know what I'm saying. I'm sorry, not like written
in modern times.
Speaker 1 (53:12):
I gotcha.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
I think that'll not really hit deeper if you will,
so we'll be shook.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
I don't think we will be. But anyway, all right, well, okay,
thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
You're very welcome.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
That wraps up today's episode. Everyone, Yes, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
You're very welcome.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
I was talking to the child. Oh. Yes, for tuning
in you all, yes, and we look forward to talking
with you all in the next episode. And until then,
stay safe and stay chill.
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Bye everybody, Bye bye.
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Busting Busting
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
A podcast we're two best friends discuss mysteries, murders, and
anything in between for your enjoyment.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
So if you're ready to hear some chilling and unsettling cases,
you're in the right place, happy listening.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hello, Hello, welcome back to our podcast, Chillworthy with Brent
and Talia.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Everybody, So, in honor of Friday the thirteenth that just
recently passed, we decided we're going to switch places in
how we speak in today's episode, just for the intro though,
don't worry, and then when we get into the topic,
(00:54):
we will go back to ourselves. So how are you
doing very well?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
And how are you fine? Good? Did you? Oh? Yes? Yes?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Okay, So okay, I forget we're going to keep this
two fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I don't want to do then, okay, So yes, I
read one book. It's by that same author, Noel Ihally
ai Lely right, just you know, just not really a
fan of this one.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
You didn't really like it?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
No, I didn't. I you know, I gave it two
point five stars. It was fine.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I'm just fine, all right. You wouldn't recommend it, I
think for like.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Maybe a new thriller writer maybe, but it was leader
you mean, yes, it was just yeah, very predictable. You know,
I knew exactly what was happening right from the beginning
like that. And I don't like it. I just I
don't like it. Man, that's fine. So yeah, and that
(02:03):
I mean, that's pretty much it. Oh okay, it's a
rainy day out, super cozy. What about you?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, I read some. I read well. I finished Golden
Girl by you did, by that author that you aren't
interested in? Yeah, Sea Shore writer Ellen Hildebrand, which I
just learned today how to actually say her name? The
(02:38):
mutual friend that I always referenced that I decided the
jig is up Erica is my friend who always identifies that.
So we always go back and forth. We both like her,
and we always go back and forth on you know,
how do you actually pronounce her name? Because of how
it's spelled, it's evil.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Water o' sorry, sorry, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
The way it's spelled. Are you okay?
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Over?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
There is everything? Okay?
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Is e l I N?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
So we thought, is it Elin?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Ellen?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I don't know, it's actually Ellen And for anyone who's
into her.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
I then realized today or discovered she has a podcast
called Book.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Speech and Beyond, and I found it on Apple Podcasts.
But it's her and this guy that she referred to
as her or husband, and I guess they interview authors,
like well known authors on there. They obviously talk about
new books, so if anybody is interested in that, also
also in this book, so I would I'd say a three.
(03:48):
Like it was interesting concept. The woman passes away, she's
talking to us from the afterlife. That's you know, that's
early on, so you know, I got the chill chill worthy.
(04:12):
But what I wanted to tell you that I thought
you would really enjoy this fun fact is that while
I was reading it, the one character goes on a
book tour to yeah, and she starts naming the different
states and I guess, like well known independent bookstores that
(04:33):
she's making what appearances in and she mentions my name.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Brows about books and that's the beach bookshit. And I
got very excited and I had to tell you about it.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Well, thank you, You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
You're very welcome.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
So the.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Audiobook The Life We by Alan Eskins finished that gave
that three stars like the other audiobook, and like I
said to you. I just don't know if audiobooks are
for me. I don't know if every audiobook is just
going to automatically get three stars. I don't know. I
think I would have enjoyed that one better as a
real book, like to read.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Sorry, I was watching the Snails. I just yeah, yeah, hey,
I mean you like.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
What you like?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Man, right, So that's it, all right.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Did you notice the full moon this week?
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Me?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
It was a strawberry moon? I didn't either. Did you
see the shirt I'm wearing?
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Yeah? I did.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
It's my Jaws shirt?
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
My mom just gone it for me. I was most excited.
You know. It's the fiftieth anniversary of job Is.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
And fifty years I know.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
And she got me the hardcover, which, like I told you,
I think last hardcover. I was just going to read it,
you know, from Libby, but it has like mentioned or
makes mentioned. I should say on the cover that it's
the fiftieth anniversary. I think I'm going to start it
this week if it's hot out.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Do you know what the weather's going to be? I
did check, and you did.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
It looks as though, you know, eighties, but some rain.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I think that'll be nice.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
All right. So we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I gotta stop it. I'm exhausted. You need to say that.
I am. I didn't stop it. I'm exhausted. I know
I'm sweating. Oh my god, I can't keep being you.
Good job, good job, thank you. Wow.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
All right, you're bet fiction. All right?
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Well that was wild, absolutely wild.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Did anything spooky happened to you on Friday the thirteenth
that you recall?
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Oh, I thought you meant while I was being you
that I recall. No, yeah, well actually yeah, well tell
me it's not, but it would be spooky to you.
Oh Jesus.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
So then somebody, I guess, knocked on the door.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Well, you know, I normally don't have marmalade sleep with me, right,
but Friday night, just for some reason, I was like,
you know, it's like I'm going to go to bed
a little bit early. It was kind of like a
little bit muggy downstairs, so I thought, And of course
I have the air on in my room, so I
was like, you know what, she's being good. She can
(07:55):
just come up and whatever, as long as I don't
get a completely used to not going into her crate
at night. Because she is a very good girl. In
her crate, right, A nice treat, right, So and so
she slumber party, right, Yeah, I said we're gonna have
a sleepover. Gosh, so you know, we go up, she's
(08:16):
in bed whatever. But she did start lowly barking at
three am, just just got the chill chid just uh,
just kind of like looking in the room. Yeah, no, no,
although I will, I'm just saying it was Friday. Well,
technically I guess it was Saturday the fourteenth. At that point, you're.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Sure it was past Oh yeah, you did just say
that the inside the room barking. I will always take
though over danger something appears to be outside that's rustling
or whatever inside the room.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I mean, I well, I was I thought you would
think it was a ghost.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Correct, right exactly, And I will take.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
You said spooky, not dangerous. Spooky.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Sorry sorry, yes.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
It's all right. Right, So, so what the hell happened
to you?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
There was some wildness on frat? I doubt it, but
it all's well, that ends well, and I'm happy you got.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
A call from an unknown number. Somebody was acting about
your car insurance.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Just had to sort through some things, and yeah, truly, Well, So,
first off, I think when I woke up that day,
I was thinking to myself, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
I'm grateful I have arms, right which we have to
do that I know we haven't and we're only nine
minutes in so far. Zip keep it moving, yes a zip? Zip?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
What was I saying? Oh? Yeah, I sort of think
of it as like forgive me, but scarre mary. Something
that has negativity associated with it, I think can be
like a positive you know, kind of like profound awakening
or like a jolt sort of to your system kind
(10:14):
of thing. And also it reminds me of like moon cycles,
Like people associate such negativity with moon cycles, especially the
full moon, and oh that's when like the crazies are out,
and this is when this is happening.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
And bad and weirdos.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
And I hate that negative connotation. And I was thinking
with rid of the thirteenth that day, like, you know,
it doesn't have to be bad.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Of course, not wild a little bit of lexus.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
So yeah, it turned out to be a fine day
that I was very.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Grateful for, well, wonderful. So do you want to take
us into whatever flow your boat?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Probably you know sharks, I think you know, we'll stay
with that theme. Do you remember the Great white Mary
Mary Lee. I'm not joking.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
I know you're not joking, but absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
All right, Well, she was a great white who is
believed to probably still be alive. I forget when I
looked it up this week, like she popped into my
head and I just wanted to check in because why
not she was She would be mentioned a lot during
Shark Weeks and like there was a tracker around.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
I never watched Shark Week ever in my life. I
don't know what goes on on Shark Week.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
None of that is of my My jaw just continuously
pops as it's gaping open, my mouth gaping open at
you saying that you have never not even like, oh.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
No whatever you're about to say, No, wow, it's not
for me.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Even when you were a kid. No, that's when it
all started. The love Well, it's basically I mean, it's
changed over the years. I will say I enjoyed it
more as a child, but really, who am I kidding?
I freaking love it as an adult. So I suppose
that's a bunch of mallarchy. But it's basically like Shark
show after Sharks show after sharkshow like different breeds of them,
(12:17):
like mannerism's behavior, how they look differently, like these marine
biologists who will go out on these boats and like
try to not catch them but like basically temporarily catch
them in order to tag them. And Mary Lee, her
battery just died, so they were It was an article
that I found that was saying, like, there's like speculation
that she died. And the man who I don't know
(12:39):
what he's like in charge of this program, he named
her after his mother. That's his mother's Mary Lee. And
he was like, no, like, I definitely think she's still
with us. And I mean she was popping up a
lot in New England, like she was, you know, all
over the place, also the Carolinas. But it's just a
shame like her, you know, the battery died. They can't
track her anymore. But he she has very distinct markings
(13:02):
on her dorsal thin and like a notch in it.
So he was saying that, you know, if they were
to find her again or come across her, she would
be pretty easy to identify.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
And she was beauty, remember oh speaking of that, Yeah,
she was beautiful. Oh my god, she has, oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
These white milky spots on her sides. She was gorgeous.
It said she was fifteen feet She was a big girl,
big o' three. No, I want to say three thousand pounds,
maybe one thousand, three hundred pounds, but I'm pretty sure
it was three thousand. She was a big girl. That
just reminded me that what you said, I did watch, well,
(13:39):
I didn't finish it, but I did start Jurassic World.
How I said, I think last time. How like it's summertime.
I'm really in the mood to watch it. It's such
a good movie. I'll be finishing it this evening anyway. Yeah,
it is, it really is. It is obviously the nod
to the very first one that is so heavy, and
that is I think why it's like my second favorite.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
And how that one of the kids on the on
the ram going into the park, like in the first
couple of scenes is reading doctor Malcolm's book Chaos Theory.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Absolutely absolutely, which reminds me real quick. You just brought
up about did we talk about that last time? How
the new Jurassic Park is, Guy, I think we did.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
We did. They don't need to hear again, right.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
So yeah, I would say I'm just grateful for sharks
I think they get a bad rap. I get why,
but I just think they're extremely misunderstood. And as I've
told you many times, I don't know if I've ever
said it on this podcast, I would love to come
into contact with one, yes, and I just I would
hope that they could sense in me I come in peace.
(14:44):
I just want to bop them like I just want
to touch their little cheeky's a nosebop and be on
my way.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
And I know if it were all the time we've gone.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
What are you thankful?
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Oh? Get out of here.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
You sure do tell a nice story. I have a story.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
What I like see you? You are something that you know,
something that I enjoy that floats my boat. Yeah, when
you're in a drive through, I'm sure when you're not here.
When you're in a drive through and they have the
first window is cut into the corner, I love that.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
I don't think I follow.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
It's like, instead of you going around the side of
the building, the corner is cut out and that's where
the window is. Do you get the hell what I'm saying.
Instead of a square of the building flush with the wall,
the corner then is diagonal. So when you turn the car.
You know you're in.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
You may have to draw this and I'm not joking.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
So all right, you order you start to drive here,
let's do this.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
This is a corner. Let's do this here with the tape. Okay,
so this is the window. No no, no, no, this
is the speaker phone. All right, so you're pulling, pulling
straight away.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Right as you start to turn, the window is there
right there?
Speaker 2 (16:17):
So you have to do it anyway.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
I'm just saying I love that they you maximize that space, right.
I don't think I've ever seen absolutely.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
You let's say that I haven't. I was like, well,
I obviously have.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Well I think the chillers will understand what I'm saying.
But I just love when the first window is cut
into the corner of the building.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
It's all about the little thing.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I think it's I think it's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Means yes, so yeah, I think that was nice. That
was a nice, unique one. I totally even think you
were going to say.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
More where that came from as you say, so all right,
now everybody, it's uh, it's Talia's turn to present case today.
So I'm just gonna sit back and let her do it.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Well, and the topic today is related to how we
started this. No, I did the I don't know mythology,
the what's the word superstition surrounding Friday the thirteenth?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
There the lure, right, Well, let's hear it all right
real quick.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I also wanted to tell you, Yeah, when I was
walking the dogs last night, I stopped, well they stopped.
I stopped, and you know, they're snurfing around and the
smell like hit me like I couldn't place it. It
wasn't like a fire that someone was having. It was
like I just couldn't place it.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
And it was cool last night, could you place it?
Speaker 2 (17:53):
And you know some people's windows were open.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Guess what it was?
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Freaking incense? Oh the windows. It was coming out the windows.
It was so lovely and refreshing. Also wanted to tell
you that I had a complete hysterical moment on Friday
evening when I was outside and I saw the first
lightning bug of the season. I was incredibly moved, raced
(18:19):
in the house, began sobbing to Ashley, and then Erica
and I are talking yesterday and she told me, did
you know they're going to be extinct?
Speaker 1 (18:33):
You freaking knew that? I did not hope not soon.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Well, she sent me an article and it had you
like sign in through like National Geographic but for your
Disney Plus account, which apparently I did do. But then
when I just tried to go into it, it's like
not letting me in. So scratch that TVD until later.
But it's like pesticide related correct, a shocker, I know exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
It's just it's I mean, it has something to do
with human ruining things. Yes, the hell out of here.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
And because I was saying to her, I told her
the story and I was like there was only one though,
like I was, you know, gawking looking for more, and
like there were none. And I do think this was
still a little early too, but how absolutely depressing.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
They should have firefly farms, agreed. I think that's one concept.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yes, yes, okay, Now related to the topic, do you
believe in Friday the thirteenth?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Do you believe in firefly? Yes? I do. I mean
I think they are among us. I think they're my
favorite bug, really, are they? No? I mean I don't.
I'm not a huge bug fan of things in general. Right, obviously,
you know there are a few exceptions, but wait, wait, wait,
(19:58):
you mean what do you mean, like, there are a
few bugs that are cool with me? Yeah, all right,
you know the butterfly, yeah, the moth, yeah, of course,
of course, the fuzzy little caterpillars. Right.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
They used to fall on my head as a child
in this cemetery that our family members were in that
I loved playing at the cemetery. There was a huge hill.
I just loved wandering around there, and they had these
freaking big, old furry boys and they would just drop
from the trees right in to your head.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Sounds magical, Uh, lady, bugs are obviously completely fine. So
but yeah, I mean that.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I think I can't believe you didn't say the praying
mantis not.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I wouldn't say that's really yeah. I mean they're okay,
but like I wouldn't want to see one on my leg.
I'll tell you that. That would be everything else I
just spoke of. I would see on my leg and
I would be cool with. Yes, I used to collect
them when I was little. I'm sorry, I mean let
them go then. Obviously I liked the gray ones. There
(21:07):
were brown ones and gray ones. Never saw gray fuzzy.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
You're talking all fuzzy though, I am talking to that. Yeah,
not non fuzzy, if you can believe it. Did you
like earthworms?
Speaker 1 (21:20):
I freaking was not particularly. The point is I think
fireflies are probably my my fave. And like I said,
I remember, I said this about a year ago, and
that was before so you know, because I did get
a tattoo from when I said, I never thought I
got a tattoo, and here's here I am with a tattoo.
But I have saved multiple pictures of fireflies in case
(21:44):
I ever do go that route of having a couple
of fireflies, you know, in the right bits and bobs around,
And I specifically looked up the one, the Pennsylvania firefly
because there are different ones. Interesting, so yeah, you know,
I'm prepared.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
What is different about that one?
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Like what does it look like? Like? It's just the
type of firefly's here? Like, you know, because they're in
the Beatle family, I guess.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
I did not know that, but anyway, you know.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
That makes sense though when you think of how their
wings open, because very similar to the ladybug, who's a beetle?
Speaker 1 (22:24):
She she is?
Speaker 4 (22:28):
So yeah, but do you remember what I was gonna say, So,
what is the actual question that you've asked me, do
I believe in Friday the Third?
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Oh, I don't want to talk about that yet. Do
you remember years ago when we were in Rehobst. I
think we we we had to have been, and there
was a praying mantis that came to me on a blanket.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Vaguely, I remember you got like beach fleas or something else.
I did not get beach flea bites. I remember that
they were on your ankles and you picked up some ticks.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
I was just going to say, I remember you and
I You and I went on a hike and then
we went to the beach and I had like my
leg up on my knees and I was like, what's this?
And yeah, I did have a tick. You're absolutely right.
So I do not remember the beach fully situation.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Wasn't that just you just had little bumps? Now I
don't think so.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
But the praying mantis came to me inside the house
on the blanket, and I think one of the guys
who was with us was about to dispose of it,
and I freaked out and like went on and on
how it's illegal, you can't And it was like a baby.
It was a smaller one and then he corrected himself
and we brought it to say together exactly exactly. It
(23:46):
was nice all right, yes, ride of the thirteenth? Now,
just like what are your thoughts on? Like when it
hit me earlier last week, like, oh my gosh, we
have a Friday the thirteenth coming, like that excites me,
Like I was like like I don't know, like it
(24:07):
just gives me a jolt, and then I don't know
what to expect. Is it going to be a crazy day?
Is it going to be a fun day? Is it
going to be a little bit of a spooky day?
Is weird shit gonna happen?
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Like?
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Am I going to feel any different? How is it's
going to be? Do you think like that?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Not at all?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
So like not even on your radar or like.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Not even on your birthday?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
But like or okay, yes you woke up you realized
it was Friday the thirteenth, whatever.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Or yes, just what you said whatever? Okay, I mean
it's fine, right, no harm No, fine, that's it.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
That makes sense. You're speaking a language I understand, right,
all right, So I like knew nothing about any.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Sort of history or origins here.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I know I knew that which shook you. So it
is primarily because in Western cultures the origin stem from
a combination of historical and religious beliefs and like negative
events that have occurred associated with the date of the thirteenth,
(25:22):
but also like okay, hold on, no oh, and actually
I didn't know this, that these particular superstitions are associated
with Friday the thirteenth. And I'm still not clear on
how this is exactly. But like the breaking of mirror,
thirteen years of bad luck?
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Oh? Yeah, man, walking on unless you bury a piece, Yeah,
if you bury a piece of the glass, the glass
that you broke.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Can that be my next message? Alert tone? I never
heard that?
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Have you ever heavy? Have you? I think I have
once a long long time with br I think I did,
yeah once.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Wow, where'd you bury the peace?
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Like the business? None yet? What other superstition?
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Walking under a ladder? Yeah, I've done that multiple I
have their day in the hospital. There was a ladder
this construction man. We made eye contact. I sort of
checked in, like can I do this? You didn't say anything,
so off I went and haul's well that ends well?
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Right?
Speaker 2 (26:40):
That one just never got me.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I'm assuming the black cat I thought that was.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Going to come up to in this but it didn't.
But Spilling of the Salt did.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Oh, Mac dumb and dumber when he spills it in
the nine.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
So that's where I went in my head. But I'm
still not like.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
He goes throw that over your shoulder and then he
hits that big trucker man. Yes, that's exactly the kick
assy bass. You know.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I hate humor like that, But god, I love that movie.
I love that movie since I was a kid. That
shirt I got you What does it say on it?
Speaker 1 (27:19):
I know I know what you're something? Yeah, like we
got no food, we got no money, our pet's heads
are falling off. Yes, God, that was a.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Good find and has four little soul on it.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Spelling of the Salty just sold some stuff like what peaty? Yeah?
That that blind kid down the street's petty.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I know.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
It's so pretty bird. It's it's horrible that movie, but
it is. It is a masterpiece. It is, it really is.
And I think that that what's her name, the one
with the red hair, who was married to him at
one point, like they I think they were husband and
wife when that movie was made. I thought she was
so pretty.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
It's just fine, just very moon.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Okay, anyway, well we're never going to get through.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I wait now, it was spilling over the yeah, so
that one when I have done it, which you know
how I spill literally everything, literally all the time. By
the way, one day the other week at work, I
spilled my entire freshly filled water.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Cup, all partially filled, all over my lap.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
As I was seated, this ship went through my pants.
The pull back of my thigh was soaked like some France,
some area by my ankle, and it was unfortunate. It
was nearing the end of the day. But then I
had to like leave, I get it, tons of people
walking behind me. I couldn't believe. I was so pissed
and I had just filled it with ice, and you
(28:55):
know how I feel about ice. What a freaking waste
I do? Oh my god, I was so upset to
spilling salt. So when I've done that, it like occurs
to me like this isn't good. But then I never
know what shoulder. I don't know what you're supposed to do,
so I don't do anything. And I also think it's interesting,
how uts so my entire screens So.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
You were trying to do scoopy doo for a second,
that raggy I don't know how to get I don't
know what's happening over there.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
On my screen. But with salt. I also think it's
interesting how salt is protective, A ring of salt around
your property, around yourself. Are you looking at me or something?
Speaker 1 (29:47):
I'm looking at you. So what's the deal? I was
thinking about that thing. A circle of salt will protect
thy victim from thy power.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
That's what I'm saying. I'm thinking about.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Right, which she completely wasted all that salt. What a clever,
little white witch.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
We are so in the weeds. It's not even funny.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
This episode is living in the weeds. And that's it. Fine,
is there to say about it?
Speaker 2 (30:16):
I like it, all right, all right, all right, just
listen now for a minute. I know I don't do
this for you, but just listen, scary Maria.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Yeah, that's certainly all right now. So I just looked
it up. Okay, it says spilling salt, thank you. Sure.
It's often considered bad luck due to long standing superstition.
It probably originated from the high value of salt in
ancient times, interesting and its association with the devil in
(30:50):
some religious contexts. Some people believe that the superstition stems
from the depiction of a spilled salt seller by Judas.
Say that three times asked, Oh, I guess there's spilled
salt by Judas in The Last Supper painting.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
That is in my freaking thing about thirteen the Last Supper. Wait, now,
I want to do a deep dive.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
I was painting and very quickly. An old English belief
has it that every grain of salt spilled represents future tears.
The Germans believe that whoever spills salt arouses nymity nmity
e n mit y mmity, because it is thought to
(31:33):
be the direct act of the devil, the peace disturber.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
That is, the state or feeling of being actively opposed
or hostile to someone or something.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
So I guess it says throwing salt over the left
shoulder left it prevents evil spirits from entering the house,
which I'm assuming it's saying, when you spill the salt,
you're it has context to the devil and stuff. So
it's kind of like when you spill it, you're almost saying, hey.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Come on in, bring him like a genie in a bottle.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
I'm not sure about that, I think it's more like
a beckoning sign. But then when you throw it over
your shoulder, you're like a you know, like hate it easy.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
I just found The widespread superstition about spilling salt bringing
bad luck is widely believed to originate from Leono. From
Leonardo da Vinci's painting, the spilled salt specifically is interpreted
as a symbol of Judas's betrayal of Jesus and foreshadows
the bad luck associated with that event, because that's obviously
(32:44):
the night before.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Friday, right, But I just think the Lady Gaga song
I'm in Love with Judah Judah hus I never heard
of fine.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
All right now I'm here, me too.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
We're both here, baby, yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
I'm trying to see this. I mean, God knows, my
vision's not great. There's Mary Magdalene. Well, where the hell
is the spilled Spieledel?
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Where is that spieled salt? Steven Spielberg, Spielberger, listen, you
gotta do this later, man, Oh.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Here I found it. I found it. Oh, okay, okay, okay.
He's in blue, he's got the beard and it's right
by his wrist.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Here I see it. I've been seeing it. I need
to tell me, Well, what am I hell is to do?
I'm not moving moving, I'm not moving to walk over
and show you I'm comfortable.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I see it now, all right, here we go, all right, Okay, so.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
The spilled salt came from Friday the thirteenth.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Okay, fine, So the number thirteen itself, yeah, is potentially
scene is unlucky because twelve is considered to be a
complete number. And then as in like the standard for
our months for the year twelve, there are twelves, there
(34:19):
are twelve zodiac signs. I don't really see why that
then makes thirteen unlucky, Like I think that was kind
of weak as a superstition.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
I agree with that, but I also have heard from
multiple sources. I can't name any though.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Because of confidentiality.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
No, because I don't remember that there used to be
thirteen months in the year. And something about the Romans,
because they that's the calendar we use.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Right, correct, Gregurian calendar.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
The Romans were, of course, what would the word be, pompous, arrogant, greedy,
absolutely whatever. I always loved the Greeks, but that's because Zena,
we won't go.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Down, and you we were just talking about it earlier. Oh,
you know, you should have brought that up in the
beginning for the intro with that new show. But you
in Greek mythology.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Oh, I love Greek mythology. But talking about the Romans
is that the chaos? No chaos with this k everybody.
Jeff Goldbloom plays Zeus in a Netflix show called Chaos.
It's pretty cute any way, But I guess two of
the people August well Augustus, right, Caesar.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Romans, Caesar, augusta.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Whatever, and somebody else wanted bigger months, so they took
a month and split it in half and added it
to their own months, like August august Is was named
after Augustus or whatever. Okay, so he got it like
thirty one days, and then there was another month that
(35:53):
got a lot like like added more days. And then
cutie little February, he's got twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
You know your partial to February?
Speaker 1 (36:02):
I am. I love February, right.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
You know what name I enjoy back from all of
this with Nope, Jesus's Crucifixion, punches Pilot. I always enjoyed
saying that punches Pilot, doesn't it have a nice ring?
And he's a terrible person.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
I always thought Mary Magdalene was a very.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Nice, a good one. Yes, absolutely, absolutely precisely.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Now, real quick, there's nothing real. I don't mean that.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Friday the thirteenth, Yeah, that is what we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
No, sorry, the.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Movie Jason Voorhees, isn't that right?
Speaker 1 (36:43):
In my head? Immediately, I thought you meant Freaky Friday
with Lis Lohan, which was Friday the thirteenth. Also, Now,
there was a.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Friday the thirteenth though that I loved, and it was
the older version.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Who's in that?
Speaker 2 (36:56):
No, Jamie Lee Curtis is in that one you mentioned?
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Yeah, erect, I don't even know what the hell you're
talking about.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
There was an older, older one.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
I don't know. Well, we'll find that out later.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
No, I want to know. Now. Oh, this isn't helpful.
I'm freaking typing and Friday the thirteenth, but it's Freaky
Friday lips. Here we go, Ah, here we go, Here
we go. I knew it. Nineteen seventy six. My god,
I knew it. Jodie Foster, did I ever see this?
(37:30):
Maybe I'm making this up. I thought that was the
one that I liked.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Now I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
That's all right, Yeah, I guess all right. Now back
to the horror movie though. Have you ever seen it?
No you haven't. No, I have, but many many years ago,
and I do remember being frightened.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Well, all right, all right, So.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Friday the thirteenth, you know, like we've talked about with
the Gregorian calendar, Ye, it happens at least once every year,
but can occur up to three times in the same year.
For a month. To have a Friday the thirteenth, the
first day of the month must begin on a Sunday.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Is that fat is fascinating?
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Are you being funny? No?
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Yeah, I didn't know that. Ye.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
So having a fear of the number thirteen, just generally speaking,
is called bear with me trisc guy, decca phobia, which
the trisc means three I means and Decca ten phobia.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Four. No, you know what, I would have absolutely just
kept rolling with it.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Fear Jesusia four. So there was a Stephen King interview
I listened to or watch just this brief little bit,
and he says he has it. He was on Conan O'Brien.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Oh, I'm sure Stephen King is scared of the number thirteen. Well,
I don't think so stupid.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
It's like a little I feel like thing he subscribes to,
like I feel like it's a thing, like we all
have our things, and who would have thought he has
that as a thing.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
But that's like a deep sea diver who's scared of sharks.
I mean, that doesn't even make sense.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
He referenced hotels, and he's like, you know, how many
times do you see which I feel like this isn't
necessarily a thing like it used to be. I remember
definitely when I was little. I noticed it more on
like elevator button, Hell yeah, not having thirteen. And his
thing is like I stay, which I don't know how
this can be with how famous he is and like
(39:54):
having to go to book signings or events or whatever
surrounding his new releases that are kind of constant. He
says that, like he doesn't really like staying in hotels
because of them having Like he was saying, basically, you
can't avoid it because then if they skip the floor,
the fourteenth is the thirteenth, you know what I mean,
(40:14):
Like you're never not having the thirteenth floor.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
In a hotel, Okay, so then just don't stand the
twelfth the thirteenth or the fourteenth floor, for god sake.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
I agree. So whatever, what were you going to say?
Speaker 1 (40:22):
I remember that book that we used to have, like
in middle school, the Wayside School or whatever.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
It had like it was wobbly looking.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Yeah, and they didn't have a thirteenth floor.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
I loved that book. I remember that was on the
Scholastic book scene.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I loved.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
That freaking book. So okay. So another source of this
unlucky reputation of the number thirteen is a Norse myth
about twelve gods having a dinner party in Valhalla, and
the trickster god Loki, who was not invited, arrived as
the thirteenth guest to this dinner, which ended up being
(40:58):
resulting in the death of ball Balder.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
I don't know anything about that mythology.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
He's the Joe, he's the god of joy and gladness,
and he's nice while he was shot with a missile
toe tipped arrow most fascinating. So when Balder died, that
triggered the suffering in the world, and then that's where
this number thirteen being unlooky came through in there mythology
(41:27):
certainly is then it mentions the you know, last supper
on Holy Thursday, and that there were thirteen individuals in attendance.
Judas was the thirteenth guest that was seated, and you know,
he betrayed Jesus, which led to his death. And that
(41:49):
also precipitated people thinking it's bad luck if you're going
to have a dinner party to have thirteen people in attendance,
Like that's a thing.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
That's that I had to worry about ever. Kit out
of here, just saying you've had parties here, You've had
not dinner parties, okay, and certainly not for thirteen people. Fine,
there's not a pizza big enough in the world for
me to warm up for thirteen.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Oh why youre's thatch a storyteller, like you don't cook?
Oh yeah, but that if you apparently have these thirteen people,
that it could prompt or trigger death or so I
guess wow for that, I don't know, man, all right.
(42:35):
You know, there's obviously like evidence of both the number
thirteen and Friday being associated together as unlucky, But there's
no record of these two items being referred to together
as being like that they're especially unlucky combined. Before the
nineteenth century. So there was a novel called Friday the
(42:55):
Thirteenth that was published in nineteen oh seven by T. W.
La and that contributed to popularizing the superstition. So in
the novel, an unscrupulous broker takes advantage of the superstition
and that creates a Wall Street panic that takes place
on Friday the thirteenth. So in other cultures though, it's yes,
(43:18):
the number thirteen, but not when it falls on a Friday.
For instance, in Spanish countries, instead of Friday.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
It's Tuesday the thirteenth Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
And the Greeks also consider Tuesday the thirte well, they
consider tuesdays to be unlucky, but especially if it's Tuesday
the thirteenth, that's unlucky.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Doesn't quite had the same ring to.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Tuesday is considered dominated by the influence of airis the
god of war?
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Have you?
Speaker 2 (43:53):
That's what I thought too. But it's not spelled like
aries a r ees or is that how you say it.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
It's not spelled like aries. It's spelled like aris.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Aries, Like the zodiac sign is spelled ar i ees,
not r ees. Oh well it is Aries is the
god of war, So that's that Greek mythology you.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Like, yeah, and he was all over Xena Ah so
beautiful Zena aries oh yes, right right, okay, yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
The fall of Constantinople to the Fourth Crusade occurred on Tuesday,
April thirteenth.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Well who didn't know that four?
Speaker 2 (44:41):
And this so like this wasn't the thirteenth, but it
was a Tuesday. The fall of Constantinople to the Ottomans
that happened on Tuesday, May twenty ninth, fourteen fifty three.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
But that's what the Recliner's doing during all this. I
don't even know who the hell. I don't know what
any of these things got that you're talking abo.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Because I don't know anything about history, So that makes
me feel better.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
But lazy boys that I feel like I'm giving a history.
I'm not sure what. I don't know what the overarching
thing is that we're that we're here for yet yeah okay,
so just okay, just the history of seventeenth Now it's
(45:26):
going to get good. This is what we've all been
waiting for.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
So this second fall of content just strength.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
I hope nobody's driving while they're listening to this. First
for operating having.
Speaker 5 (45:50):
Machinery the superstition about Tuesday, all right.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
In addition, in Greek, the name of the day, and
please pardon me, I'm sure I'm going to be saying
this wrong is treaty meaning the third day of the week,
adding way to the superstition. Since they say bad.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
Luck account, I feel like I'm in a college class present.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
All right.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
In Italian culture, Friday the seventeenth is considered a bad
luck day. I'm not even going to explain why that
is because it's very confusing.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
So I like, I still doesn't have the same ring
to it.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
No, it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Also back to Tuesday. Tuesday the thirteenth only happens in
months that begin on a Thursday. All right, okay, so
the people so all right? So, According to the Stress
Management Center and Phobia Institute, which is in North Carolina,
an estimated seventeen to twenty one million people in the
(47:12):
United States are affected by fear of Friday the thirteenth species.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
That's nuts.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
It is the most feared day and date in history.
They may like people who really ticket seriously might avoid
like everyday things and their normal routines like literally going
to work, getting on an airplane, or even like getting
out of their bed that day, like in fear that
the minute that they do something insane might happen. It's
(47:38):
estimated that in the US eight hundred to nine million,
one hundred, eight hundred to nine hundred million dollars is
lost in business on this date.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
That is absurd. I know, I know so soon, and
I should be going shopping. I guess avoid the crowds.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
So in terms of like air lines Delta and Continental
that now merged into United Airlines, they claim their airlines
did not suffer from any noticeable drop and revenue on
those Fridays. Okay, they don't agree. A study that took
place in nineteen ninety three by Scanlon, Lubin, Scanlon, and
(48:20):
Singleton concluded that quote the risk of hospital admission as
a result of a transport accident may be increased by
as much as fifty two percent on the thirteenth.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
Well, I'd like to interject something.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
Oh yes, yes, please yes.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
According to Google, there are not any more plane crashes
on Friday the thirteenth than any other day, and in fact, statistically,
statistically speaking, right, it suggested that actually flying on Friday
the thirteenth may be fractionally safer because there's there actually
seems to be less fatal accidents on Friday to thirteenth.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
So I was just about to say, Now, this was
a two thousand and eight study and it was like
an insurance statistics thing from the Netherlands, and they kind
of said something similar. They said, fewer accidents and reports
of fire and theft occur when the thirteenth of the
month falls on a Friday, and they feel that people
(49:25):
it's because they're staying home or they're like going out
of their way to be more careful. They're behaving obviously
for plane rides, but right also in the Netherlands, statistically speaking,
driving is slightly safer on that day. In the last
two years, Dutch insurers received reports of an average seventy
(49:47):
eight hundred traffic accidents each Friday, but the average fell
to seventy five hundred when the thirteenth fell on a Friday.
So who the hell knows what the Dutch, although there's
always at least one Friday the thirteenth per calendar year,
it can be as long as fourteen months between two
(50:08):
Friday the thirteenths There can be no more than three
Friday the thirteenths in a single calendar.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
Right, that's it. Oh, I was abrupt, it was I
feel like.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
There was one other thing I wanted to say to you.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
Hit the finish line real quick.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
This one. I don't think, Well, what is like? Who cares?
But I didn't know this, but like Friday the thirteenth
has kind of emerged as like a holiday within the
tattoo world, and they run like a lot of tattoo
shops run like specials, like sales.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
Where flash sales.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
I was just gonna say that, yes, are you being funny, Like.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
That's what it's fun I'm not trying to be funny, right,
So like the.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
Flash tattoos where you're not picking it, I mean you're
picking it out, but like you're not going in.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
With their predesigned exactly.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
And then you precisely say you a little freaking tetto
Now wow, fancy schmssy. So this I had never heard
of before.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
So you've said that about it literally everything. So I'm
going to start assuming until you tell me you have
heard about it. You've never heard about any of this.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
I'm about to be done.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
This is it.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
This is legitate. Now when I'm going to I see.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
What is it so that.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
If you incorporate the number thirteen and the tattoo that
you're getting, that's going to be a true body for Oh,
you incorporate well sorry, no whatever, you get the number
thirteen on you get a flash tattoo. Ye, the number
thirteen incorporated it whatever. Yes, that it's an antidote to
the bad luck of thirteen being an unlucky number.
Speaker 1 (51:54):
Hair of the dog basically, yes, right.
Speaker 2 (51:58):
You're essentially like you have the bad luck on your body.
Speaker 3 (52:01):
All right, it will pass you Byash, not just pass,
but pash.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
Extra safe. Well, pash me the Sultan full of pission vinegar.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
If you listen to our last no, last two episodes.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Right, yes, oh my god. Well it's been a wild ride,
fun at times for sure.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
You know I have a book, Yeah that has I
think I told you or showed you this before, but
like it has, like he's just an entire book of
old superstitions. I feel like I should bring that over
to our studio. Absolutely, and you know that might be
something fun to explore every once in a while. I
(52:57):
don't know what when it was written, but I mean
it's seems to be like I want to say, like
back in the nineteen seventies. Maybe, Oh, I.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
Feel like something like this would be better written then,
you know what I'm saying. I'm sorry, not like written
in modern times.
Speaker 1 (53:12):
I gotcha.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
I think that'll not really hit deeper if you will,
so we'll be shook.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
I don't think we will be. But anyway, all right, well, okay,
thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
You're very welcome.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
That wraps up today's episode. Everyone, Yes, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
You're very welcome.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
I was talking to the child. Oh. Yes, for tuning
in you all, yes, and we look forward to talking
with you all in the next episode. And until then,
stay safe and stay chill.
Speaker 2 (53:55):
Bye everybody, Bye bye.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
The Breakfast Club
The World's Most Dangerous Morning Show, The Breakfast Club, With DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, And Charlamagne Tha God!