Ministers Conference 1-25-2005 Bro LD Savage "The 2nd Man"

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What I was going to talk about, but they sure are
gonna dovetail.
And uh I trust that the Lordwill help us this almost
afternoon.
And uh what time are we supposedto change it here?

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Four o'clock this afternoon?
Well I can do that.
God Brother Tracer says, Oh God.

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I'm glad to be here.
I count an honor to be here.
And uh I'm so glad to seeBrother Sister Addis this
morning.
I appreciate these people morethan words can say.
He's uh he's my senior.

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And when I get uh his age, I'dlike to be just like him.
Great people.
I'm sure glad to have my friendBrother Lee Strickler hear this
today.
Brother Strickler testified.

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We're sure glad to have him withus.
We've been friends forforty-some years, I guess.
Appreciate Brother Lee.
Uh, brother uh little Meadowsjust preached outstanding.
I mean, I mean just wonderful.

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But right now we're gonna go tothe classroom.
And uh gonna be uh probably moresubdued.
But I feel like that uh the Lorduh has laid something on our
hearts to talk to you about.

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I really do.
I wrestled with this for a whileuntil I really said I'll do it.
Uh we as holiness people howmany holiness folks do we have
here today?

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Um if we are not careful, wewill destroy ourselves.
We don't have to worry about thedevil destroying us.
We'll destroy ourselves.
And uh we'll kill each other.

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I want to talk to you thismorning for the next three and a
half, four hours as brother uhuh Joey Hyde has given me
permission.
Uh but I want to talk to youabout the second man.

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The second man.
And uh I feel like, I really do,I feel like this is probably uh
something that somebody elseshould do.
But uh holds my lot this morningto uh take this subject.

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It's uh the second man is hardlyever known much about.
Uh on this chart, there's no wayin the world we can do all this
chart.
I have no intentions to, uh,Sister Tracy.
No intentions, but I do want todeal with this area right here,

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and I trust that the Lord willhelp us this morning.
Uh we are bleeding to death, andwe are going to uh render
ourselves uh helpless andineffective if we're not

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careful.
I know I don't have the answerfor everything, and the things
that I will probably deal withthis morning and tomorrow
morning is not gonna cover thesubject only, just a small
portion of it, but you can getthe general concept.

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The second man, uh, this morningwe're gonna talk about and read
about Elisha, the servant.
And uh so have your Bibles firstof all.
Let's turn and read from 1Kings.
1 Kings chapter 19, andbeginning reading at verse 19.

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1 Kings 19 and verse 19.
So he departed thence and foundElisha the son of Shaphet, who
was ploughing with twelve yokeof oxen before him, and he with
the twelfth, and Elijah passedby him and cast his mantle upon
him.
And he left the oxen and ranafter Elijah and said, Let me, I

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pray thee, kiss my father and mymother, and then I will follow
thee.
And he said unto him, Go backagain, for what have I done to
thee?
And he returned back from himand took a yoke of oxen and slew
them and bore their flesh withthe instruments of the oxen and
gave unto the people, and theydid eat.

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Then he arose.
Now, this is, I want you to getthis.
If you don't get nothing else,you get this.
Then he arose and went afterElijah and did what?
And did what?
And ministered unto him.

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Him.
He didn't say them, he said him.
Now, this word minister orministered in this context, from
what I understand from, and I'mnot a Greek scholar, and Brother
Wyatt is uh much more capable ofthat than I, but this word

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minister is vitally important tounderstanding what the second
man is supposed to do.
This word minister in thiscontext means to attend as a
domestic servant, huh?

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To serve, to wait on.
Now, who is he waiting on?
Elijah.
Come on here, over in 2 Kingschapter 3, verse 11.

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Only want the last part of thisverse, but we read the entire
verse.
2 Kings chapter 3, verse 11.
But Jehoshaphat said, Is therenot here a prophet of the Lord
that we may inquire of the Lordby him?
And one of the king of Israel'sservants answered and said, Here

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is Elisha, the son of Shaphat,which poured water on the hands
of Elijah.
Now, I want to talk to you aboutthe second man.
And I trust that the Lord willhelp us this morning.
You probably won't get as highas you did a while ago.

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You might, when I get throughhere, you might wish I'd have
been done before I started, andI might be.
But uh there are many, to me,there are many titles for an
Elisha, and there may vary fromchurch to church or from

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congregation to congregation.
I've uh I put together thislist, and you could probably add
some more to it, and it's notlimited by any means, but uh an
associate, assistant, secondman, helper, youth pastor, youth

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leader, deacon, elder, ordirector.
Any of these could fit into thisarea that I want to talk about
as Elisha.
And certainly not limited tothese nine different categories.
The uh let's let let's uh let'sgo back now.

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Brother Daryl Meadows talkingabout him being nervous.
I feel like I'm about to shaketo pieces.
Let's go back and get a uhhistory lesson.
Uh some of y'all are probablybetter at this than I am, but uh
everybody knows from history whoGeorge Washington was.

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The first president of theUnited States of America.
Amen.
Elected by the Electoral Collegeand uh on Mar on February the
4th, 1789.
Unanimous, amen.
He was the first president ofthe United States, served two

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complete terms.
Now, does anybody here everybodyremember George Washington in
history?
Come on here.
How many of you know GeorgeWashington was the first
president of the United States?
Okay, how many remember who hisvice president was?

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John Adams.
John Adams was his vicepresident.
Now, John Adams went on after uhGeorge Washington ceased to be
president and became the secondpresident of the United States.
Now, it is a rare thing, go backand check history, it's a rare

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thing for a vice president tobecome president.
Hello.
It has happened, it does happen.
Amen.
George H.
Bush, H.
W.
Bush, was vice president to uhRonald Reagan.
He became president, served oneterm as president.
I don't blame him.

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Twelve years in the White Housedrive any man nuts.
But uh vice president, come onhere, is vitally important to
the president.
Vitally important.
Uh the election of 1860.
Uh Abraham Lincoln was electedpresident in his first term.

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Does anybody know who the secondman or the vice president was in
Abraham Lincoln's first term?
No.
Andrew Johnson was the vicepresident in his second term.
Hannibal Hamlin.

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Before he became vice president,he was the legislator in Maine.
He was U.S.
Representative, U.S.
Senator, Governor of Maine.
Amen.
And after he was vice president,he went back into the Senate
again.
So the second man does not seemto be a person in the limelight.

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He is not supposed to be.
Come on here.
Amen.
In Abraham Lincoln's secondterm, Brother Wyatt has
accurately said, was AndrewJohnson.
And he too served in the Houseof Representatives and Senate

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and Governor of Tennessee and etcetera, et cetera, et cetera.
And later became the 17thpresident.
Now, let's get a little morecloser to our time.
In 1952, President DwightEisenhower, everybody here

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should know who his vicepresident was.
Anybody?
Richard Nixon.
Later became the 37th president.
Now, the first American, I'mjust laying a little groundwork

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here.
Come on here.
Come on here.
The first American in space.
Does anybody here know who thatwas?
Alan Shepherd.
Amen.
May the 5th, 1961, 15 minutes insuborbital flight.

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Five of those minutes were inspaceflight.
On January the 31st, 1971,Apollo 14 spent 33 hours on the
moon.
Alan Shepard.
Who was his co-pilot?

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Anybody know?
Nobody, probably.
Edgar Mitchell.
Edgar Mitchell.
Well, now that seems allinsignificant to what our
subject matter here today is,but it's not.
It is not insignificant.
You see, help me here.

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It's vitally important in thechurch work that the second man
understands his role and whathis responsibilities are.
Now, uh, whoo, help me thismorning, Lord.
Uh the church, the church isGod's institution.

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It is God's greatestinstitution, not your
institution.
I said this in my church uh justlast Sunday.
Amen.
And uh when the one of the menin church just crawled my frame
about it.
I said, this is not my church,this is not your church, this is

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God's church.
Come on here.
I said, This is God's church.
Now, amen.
The church, oh God help me thismorning.
I'm needing help from the Lord.
The church is a theocracy.
The church is not a democracy.

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You get that?
There's a difference.
There is a vast difference.
Amen.
Webster says theocracy is agovernment of a state or an
entity by immediate divineguidance or by officials who are

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divinely guided.
God called men.
Come on here.
Your church may hire you, butyou, come on, come on, come on
here.
You must understand youremployer is not that church.

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Your employer is God.
I told my church some time ago,amen, and uh I've wondered about
it a few times since then, butit's still right.
Uh I said, I am here not toplease you.
I'm here to please God.
Now, come on, come on here.

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Now, if in the process ofpleasing God I please you, we
got a great thing going.
But if I have to choose betweenpleasing you and pleasing God,
I'm sorry, God comes first.
Amen.
So God's work and God's churchis a theocracy.

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Now, a democracy is vastlydifferent from a theocracy.
Amen.
Come on, come on.
I'm probably gonna get in a lotof flack or trouble before I
leave this convention.
A democracy is a government bythe people, a government in

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which the supreme power isvested in the people and
exercised by them directly.
That is a democracy.
Now, God's work does not work asa democracy.
Amen.
Come on here.

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We as the shepherds do not getour orders from the people.
Our orders come from God.
A pastor is a God humbled ordivinely humbled of God to fill,

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amen, the position in a church.
God has an order in everythingGod does, amen.
God doesn't do things like we dohaphazardly or hocus pocus.
God has a divine order foreverything that He has ever
done.

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He brought order out of chaos inGenesis 1.
In the beginning, God createdthe heavens and the earth, and
the earth was without form andvoid, and darkness was upon the
face of the deep.
Amen.
It was total chaos.
And God said, Come on here.
Woo! I'm feeling better myself,brother.

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And God said, Let there belight.
Before the sun was ever created,before the moon was ever in
existence, God said, Let therebe light, and there was light
before the sun was created.
So God has an order out of chaosevery time He does anything.

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Amen.
When things uh help me here.
I'm in be in trouble here.
But y'all are gonna have to staywith me until I get through.
Amen.
When things get out of placefrom the order in which God made
it, it makes or becomes massconfusion.

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Where there is no law, wherethere is no order, then you have
anarchy.
Every man did that which wasright in his own eyes.
No absolutes.
My opinion is just as good asyours.
Your opinion is just as good asmine.

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Come on here.
It depends on how you see it.
Man, man, man.
Amen.
There is an order in God's bookhow that a church is to be
constructed.
Amen.
There's an order among angels.

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I ain't gonna get into that, sojust leave it alone.
Don't get scared.
Amen.
There's a hierarchy angel,there's a lower angels.
Amen.
There's an archangel.
Are y'all still here?
There's messenger angels.
God has an order in everythingthat he does.
Amen.
There is an order in theuniverse.
There is laws that God put inmotion in the universe.

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It's enough.
Amen.
It's God's order of making thisthing work.
If the earth was to move onefraction, one fraction closer to
the sun or further away from thesun, amen.
We would either burn up orfreeze to death.

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Come on, put an order in theuniverse.
Hallelujah.
Amen.
There is an order in the naturallaws that God put in motion.
Gravity.
Everything goes up must comedown.
When you break the law, when youbreak this law, this is what

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happens.
Huh?
I know I'm going around Robin'sbarn to get where I want to go
this morning.
Amen.
But if you throw something up,you are breaking the law of
gravity.
Amen.
And when you throw it up,gravity gets a hold of it and

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pulls it down.
That's law.
That's order.
That's God's doings.
There is a sound barrier.
Huh?
Was that pilot's name from WestVirginia?
That broke the first soundbarrier?
Chuck Yeager, thank you.

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Amen.
Amen.
He tried so many times, so manytimes.
He failed.
He became afraid.
Amen.
And pulled his ex-rocketthrottle back.
Come on here.
Until one day he said to hiscolleagues and pilots on the
ground, his buddies, he said, Idon't know what it is out there.
When I get to a certain place ata certain speed, he said, the

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whole aircraft shakes andshudders.
Hey man, but he said, Whateverit is out there, I go up this
time, hey man, I'm going throughno matter what.
If it falls apart and the airdisintegrates, I'm going
through.
I've got the power.
Hey man, and those rocketengines.
And he did come on here.

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But he broke a law.
I said he broke a law of Godthat God had put in motion.
And when he did, there was aneffect of it.
Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
All on the ground.
Come on here.

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Because there is a natural lawthat God put in motion.

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There's an or help me here.

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I don't want to get it too much in this because
somebody really hates me beforeI get out of here.
But there is an order to thefamily.
The family unit has God givenorder to it.
Christ is the head of the man.

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You believe that's an amen.
The man is the head of thewoman.
The children are.
I'm not going to deal with muchof that.
Amen, because time won't permitus.
I just want you to understandthat God gave an order for
everything.

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I remember years ago, thishappened years ago.
An older preacher was pastoringat a church somewhere, as Joey
Hight would say, in the UnitedStates of America.
And he was preaching on theorder of the family.
He's talking about the man beingthe head of a woman.
Now I'm going to tell you, Goddidn't expect you to keep a

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baseball bat and hit your wifeover the head.
Your wife is your help meet.
I'm going to leave that rightthere.
But he was preaching along theselines as the order of the
family.
And the husband being the uh thehead of the wife, and this woman

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sat on the back seat with herhusband, and uh she blurted out
to that old gray-headedpreacher, and she said, Yes, but
the neck turns the head.
The wisdom of that old man, I'venever forgotten.
He looked at her and he said,Ma'am, I sorry to disappoint

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you, but the brains is not inthe neck.

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Woo!

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Glory to God.

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There has to be order in the church, for it is
God's greatest institution alongbeside the family.
The church is made up offamilies, and they too work in
harmony together.
Now, in the church, oh God helpme, and now I'm about to get
where I want to go.
In the church, the pastor, whichis the under-shepherd, under

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Christ, the great shepherd.
He is the physical head of thelocal church.
And don't fall out with me.
I know, I know, I know how somechurches operate in these United
States of America, and I ain't Iain't fussing with them.
Amen.
But they got a problem.
They're out of order with thescripture.

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The church is not to be run bythe board.
The pastor is the physical headof the local church.
Amen.
Now, if, now, if by chance thatpastor commits sin and becomes

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immoral, and sometimes it hashappened, then, amen, that
pastor has to be dealt with in alegal sense and in a scriptural
order.
Somebody say amen now.
But if he is a godly man withGod's work at his heart, then he

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must be respected and honored.
Now I want to tell you, honorand respect is not something you
get on demand.
It is earned.
The pastor is the physical headof the church.
The church, the local churchcannot have and survive with two

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heads.
Somebody said, Well, I'm theco-pastor, but you are not the
pastor.
There's a Bible principle.

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I want these brethren, each oneof these brethren, can they get
a mic?
Amen.
And I want them to read somescriptures.
And uh, I'm already past where Ineeded for them to read,
perhaps, but I want them tostart reading the verses.

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Amen.
I want uh brother to readJeremiah chapter 3 and verse 15
and chapter 23 and verse 4.
If you wanted to follow on thischart, you'll you'll notice
right here.
Hey, this is God's man.

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You believe that's amen.
The pastor is God's man for thiscongregation.
I mean, he is the head of thiswhole system.
Amen.
All right, read Jeremiah chapter3, verse 15.

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And I will give you pastors according to mine heart,
which shall feed you withknowledge and understanding.

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In chapter 23, in verse 4.

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And I will set up shepherds over them, which shall
feed them, and they shall fearno more.
Nor be dismayed, neither shallthey be lacking, saith the Lord.

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Saith the Lord.
Now I want to tell you, thankyou, brother.
I want to tell you, this isGod's doings.
This is not your doings.
This is God's shepherd.
God said, I will set shepherds,I will set pastors, I will speak

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to them.
Come on here.
Ezekiel.
Alright?
Ezekiel chapter 33, verse 7verses.

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Again the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
Son of man, speak to thechildren of thy people, and say
unto them, When I bring thesword upon a land, if the people
of the land take a man of theircoast and set him for their
watchman, if when he seeth thesword come upon the land, he
blow the trumpet and warn thepeople, then whosoever heareth

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the sound of the trumpet andtaketh not warning, if the sword
come and take him away, hisblood shall be upon his own
head.
He heard the sound of thetrumpet and took not warning,
his blood shall be upon him.
But he that taketh warning shalldeliver his soul.

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But if the watchman see thesword come and blow not the
trumpet, and the people be notwarned, if the sword come and
take away, take any person fromamong them, he is taken away in
his iniquity, but his blood willI require at the watchman's
hand.
So thou, O son of man, I haveset thee a watchman unto the

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house of Israel.
Therefore, thou shalt hear theword at my mouth and warn them
from me.
Just stay right there.

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This man has an awesome responsibility.
Now it will depend upon theeternity and where these all
spend eternity as to how thisman leads and preaches and
directs these people.

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Now I want to tell you.
I am the pastor of the churchwhere I pastor.

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Absolutely.

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But I am not pastor of anybody else's church.

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Woo!

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Somebody say amen.
Now, we have, oh God help me,I'm in trouble.
We do have differences fromchurches to churches.
Well, sure.
One pastor may be tighter onsome things than another pastor.

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That's right.

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Or one pastor may be a little looser and allow some
things that I would never allowin my congregation.
And I've had some of my churchpeople question me about that.

SPEAKER_05 (32:54):
Yeah, me too.

SPEAKER_04 (32:55):
How about that, Brother Savage?
This is my answer.
I am not responsible for them ortheir congregation.
I am only responsible for thesethat are under my care.

SPEAKER_07 (33:08):
That's good.

SPEAKER_04 (33:10):
As long as they are under my care.
I appreciate what Brother Metasaid this morning.

SPEAKER_05 (33:16):
That was good.

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Amen.
All of us at some point in timehave had people to leave us and
go to other churches.
What about that?
As long as they are under mycare, I'm responsible.
But whenever they go to, Istarted to say Jack Daniels
again.

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Whenever they go to John Doe'schurch, I cease to be
responsible.
It's no longer my problem.
But I am responsible as long asthey are under my care and they
have become my responsibility.
Now I must answer to God how Ilead this block.

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Now that is an awesomeresponsibility.
Now, let's go to the same book,chapter 44, verse 23 and 24.

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And they shall teach my people the difference between
the holy and profane.

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Now wait a minute.

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They shall do what?
Teach my people.

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They shall what?
Teach.
Ah! They shall what?

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Teach.

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Teach my people the difference.
Now, here's where the rub comesin.
They shall teach my people.
A lot of folks want to betaught, but they want to be
taught what they want to betaught.
And not always what they need tobe taught.

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He said, They shall teach my people between the
difference between the holy andprofane.
And cause them to discernbetween the unclean and the
clean.

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Now, this next verse I think is vitally important.

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And in controversy, they should controversy.
In what?
Controversy.

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In controversy, when there is a question.
Come on here.
Yeah.
Amen.
When where there is a question,where something is totally
unsettled, if there is no exactscripture that you can pinpoint
and say, this is black and thisis white, in a controversy.

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Come on here.
And in a controversy, they shallstand in judgment, and they
shall judge it according to myjudgment.
And they shall keep my laws andmy statutes and in all mine
assemblies.
And they shall hallow mySabbath.
Amen.

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Now, I want I'm I'm giving you all these verses of
scripture in relation to thisman right here because I want
you to understand the importanceof this man.
This office, this position inthe church is the.
Can we say it in everyday term?
The buck stops here.

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Right there.

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Where there is a controversy.
Ben Horton is here this morning.
He he was uh my assistant and mydeacon for a number of years,
and uh a good one.
Praise God.
I'm glad to give that report.
Praise the Lord.
And uh when he was younger, uhhe went to one of my uh my board
members who uh at that time wasa pretty young man himself.

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He was probably the youngest manon the board at that time.
Uh let the other brethren comeon, come back to you.
Okay.
Amen.
Uh uh and uh he said to thisyounger board member, he said,
now what about this and this andthis and this?
And the board member said this,and I loved it.

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I've never forgotten that.
He said, as long as you come tothis church, you are responsible
to live by the way this pastorteaches.
Why man, did you get that?

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Now, if you go to somebodyelse's churches, he's no longer
responsible.
But if you go to this church,you are responsible, and you
must answer to God in the day ofjudgment how you respond to the
ministry that God has placedover you.

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Somebody say amen now.
I lost some of you right there.
Acts chapter 20 and verse 28.

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Take heed, therefore, unto yourselves and
to all the flock, over which theHoly Ghost hath made you
overseers to feed the church ofGod, which he hath purchased
with his own blood.

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Amen.
Romans chapter 10, verses 14through 17.

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How then shall they call on him in whom they have
not believed?
And how shall they believe inhim of whom they have not heard?
How shall they hear without apreacher?
And how shall they preach exceptthey be sent?
God called.
God called.

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Yes, sir.
As it is written, how beautifulare the feet of them that preach
the gospel of peace and bringglad tidings of good things.
But they have not all obeyed thegospel, for Isaiah saith, Lord,
who hath believed our report, sothen faith cometh by hearing,
and hearing by the word of God.

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That's a wonderful verse.
All in our many years ago,preaching.
And uh this lady came to meafter service and kind of half
jokingly.
I guess you were joking.
She said, Brother Savage, I loveyou preaching, but you're the

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ugliest thing I ever seen.
She wasn't teasing.
I said, Sister, you're lookingat the wrong end.
The Bible said how beautiful arethe feet of them that preach the
gospel.

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Hebrews chapter 13, verse 7 andverse 17.

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Remember them which have the rule over you, who have
spoken unto you the word of God,whose faith follow, considering
the end of their conversation.
Verse 17 obey them that have therule over you, and submit
yourselves, for they watch foryour souls, as they that must
give account, that they may doit with joy and not with grief.

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For that is unprofitable foryou.
Amen.

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Thank you.
First Peter chapter 5, verses 2,3, and 4.

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Verse 2 says, Feed the flock of God.
Feed the flock of God which isamong you, taking the oversight
thereof, not by constraint, butwillingly, not for filthy lucre,
but of a ready mind.
Neither as being lords overGod's heritage, but being in
samples to the flock.

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And when the chief shepherdshall appear, you shall receive
a crown of glory that fadeth notaway.

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Amen.
Thank God.
Isn't that wonderful?
Amen.
Now, let's come back, BrotherBaker, to uh first
Thessalonians, 1 Thessalonianschapter 5, verses 12 and 13.

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And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which
labor among you and are over youin the Lord, and admonish you,
and to esteem them very highlyin love for the works' sake, and
be at peace among yourselves.
That's Bible truth.

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Now I had all these scriptures read because I want
to establish, first of all,amen, that the pastor is the
physical head of the church.
He is over all the church, overevery office, over every
officer, over every department.

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He is the head.
That is a Bible principle thatis laid down in the scripture.
And the Bible tells us here inThessalonians that they are over
you.
They are over you.
The Greek word for that, andbrother again, Brother Wyatt

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probably better at that than Imeans to set over, to be at the
head of, to be the chief.
Somebody said, You holinesspreachers, a bunch of dictators.
Well, I don't like it in thatsense.
Come on here.

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But we are the under-shepherd ofthe shepherd.
Hallelujah.
And the Bible said that we mustgive account unto God that puts
a fear in our hearts to be surethat we are right.

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To be sure that we lead youright.
To give you the principles ofScripture.
Now I want to tell yousomething.
Amen.
Recently in our country, I'm introuble.
I'm in trouble right now.
Recently in our country, ayounger pastor, amen, in a
certain uh fellowship meeting,youth or other, whatever it was,
amen, got up and said, Oh, weshould never preach anything,

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amen, to our church people thatyou cannot find a Bible verse
against it.
I said, You can't find tobaccoin the Bible.
You can't find television in theBible.
You can't find the internet inthe Bible.
Am I doing all right now?

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But there are principles.
There are divine principles.
There is divine order that Godis put in the book.
Hallelujah.
Somebody somebody.
And when you violate God'sprinciples, Hallelujah, you have

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taken the authority away fromGod.
You have taken the authorityaway from the pastor.
You have taken the authority,hey, man, away from everybody
else, and you do that which isright in your own eyes.
For their work's sake.

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For the work of the ministry andthe edifying of the church.
Now, I'm finally getting down tothe meat that I want to talk to
you about.
As the second man, whether youare an associate, assistant,
second man, helper, youthpastor, youth leader, deacon,
elder, director, or any otheroffice or officer in the church,

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the second man is to serve atthe pleasure of the first man,
the pastor.
You are under the authority ofthat pastor.
Come on here.

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Now, I want to tell you, I I maylose some of you here this
morning, but it's okay.
I've lost folks before.
Amen.

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Come on here.
Now, I want to tell you, I I maylose some of you here this
morning, but it's okay.
I've lost folks before.
Amen.
If if if I, a pastor in my ownright, among my own church, at
home in Virginia, go toMissouri, come on here.

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Amen.
And sitting in the congregationin Brother Joey Heights church,
I am under him.

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Amen.
That's right.

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You are preaching.
That's right.
Absolutely.

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Help me here.

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Come on.

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That's right.
If that pastor, if Joey Hyde, heprobably wouldn't, but he might.
Knowing Joey Hyde, there'snothing Joey Hyde wouldn't do.
If Joey Hyde said, BrotherSavage, amen, and we got a
commode stopped up up there inthe men's room, would you get a
plunger, find the plunger, andgo get that unstopped?
I am under obligation to dothat.

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He's the pastor.
Is it in the closet?
Okay.

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As a line, you minister to someof him.

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And I'm there and I'm saying,praise God.
Are you all staying with me?
I've been to meetings.
Amen.
And uh I just soon not preachwhen I go to special meetings.
I really do it.
I'd just like to go and just bepreach too.
Just to be there.

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Just be in fellowship.
But there's been a few timesthat I've been to special
meetings.
And uh Pastor come by and say,Brother Savage, I'd like for you
to preach this morning, but I'dlike for you to preach on this
and this subject.

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Come on here.

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I've had lots of requests to preach on the home
and pigeon.
Come on here.
I remember going to BrotherWilliam Strickler, Brother Lee's
here this morning.
Brother William Strickler'syears ago.
And uh he was in his annualmeeting and I come in, he he got
me aside and he said, BrotherSavage, I'd like to preach on

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the home and pigeon thismorning.
Well really that wasn't on myheart.
I wonder what I really thoughtif I called on, I'd preach.
But because he's the pastor.
I lost you right there.
I lost you.

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I lost you because he's the pastor.

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I preached on the home impedance.
I am under the authority of thatlocal head of the church.
Now, if you are an associate,assistant, youth leader, deacon,
elder, helper, youth pastor,director, come on here.

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You have one responsibility, andthat is to honor and to serve at
the pleasure of the pastor.
Now, John Adams, my myadmiration when I when I studied
this uh the last couple, two orthree weeks, my admiration for
John Adams went higher than ithad ever been before.

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He was vice president.
He supported in the Senate,because the vice president is
the president of the Senate.
Are y'all still with me?
He supported in the Senate thepresident's policies.

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Although he disagreed with someof those policies personally,
but because it was thepresident's policies, he
supported it and promoted it,and the Senate never knew that
he disagreed with a pastor orwith a president.
Man! How many of y'all like tohave that kind of assistant

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pastor?
Elisha poured water on the handof Elijah.
That's all we know about Elijahuntil after Elijah was gone.

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He was never in the line.
He was never out front.
He served and waited on Elijah.
Amen.
I want to say something righthere.
Amen.
If you are a youth pastor, ayouth leader, or an associate,

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or an assistant, or the secondman, or a heifer, or a deacon,
you never know what the future'sgonna hold.
And you want to be smart andwise while you are under that
authority.
Take notes.
Observe.
Come on here.

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Observe how that pastor handlesdifficult problems and difficult
situations.
Because after a while you'regonna need them.
Huh.
Timothy allowed Pastor Paul tomentor him for a whole life.

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Luke.
Luke assisted Paul on numerousoccasions.
Amen.
And insomuch that Paul said onone occasion, only Luke is with
me.

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Demons have forsaken me.
Amen.
One winter.

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Aristarchus.
Um that's not it.
It's not right.
Went somewhere, but it wasn'tthere.
Amen.
But he said, only Luke is withme.
You never hear Luke sayanything.
You never hear Luke preaching amessage when he was with Paul.

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You never, come on here.
You never see or hear of Lukedoing anything outside of
assisting and ministering to theneeds of Paul.
Luke wrote one of the gospels.

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Come on here.
But when he was with Paul, hewas Paul's helper.
The second man, I'll say again,the second man is not supposed
to be in the limelight.

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All that Elisha ever did whileElijah was alive was pour water
on the hands of Elisha.
His day had not come.
He waited.

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Patiently.
He waited.
Someone said, Brother Sanders,well, so-and-so's got a ministry
of their own.
He waited.
Man, did I ever more appreciateBrother Meadows preaching this
one?
He waited on God.

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His day was not yet.
He had to wait until Godpromoted him.
The relationship.
Man, man, man.
The time's up.
I'll have to finish it tomorrow.
But let me give you this.

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I just got a got a you knowcontinued story of wet your
appetite and see what's thiswhat the next episode's gonna
be.
The relationship should be acompliment to the pastor.

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That second man shouldanticipate what the pastor's
next move is going to be.
He should know him.
I told Ben and Ricky both, amen,uh, my grandson here this
morning as well.
I told him, I said, get in mybrain.
Come on here.

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Know what makes me tick.
Amen.
Know how I think.
As long as you're locally underme in this church, you need to
know what direction I'm gettingready to take this message in.
Come on here.
You should anticipate the needsof the pastor.

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You can look at him and tell heneeds a drink of water.
I lost some of you.
Oh, let somebody else do thatlittle thing.
Elisha poured water on the handsof Elijah.

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Learn to turn out the lights.
Learn to turn on the lights.
Learn to lock the doors.
Where the pastor doesn't have todo it all.
Come on here.
I heard recently a story, amen,about a pastor in a certain

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church, and some of you may knowmore about this than I do.
I just heard it secondhand.
So if you know the real story,tell it to me after church.
Amen.
The pastor did everything, hehad to do everything.
Nobody would do anything.
They left it all up to thepastor.
Come on here.
Pull the toilet tissue in thebathrooms.

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Paper towels in the bathroom.
The pastor did it.
Turned the lights on, the pastordid it.
Unlocked the doors.
The pastor did it.
Come on, y'all stick with me.
And the pastor got sick.
And wound up in the hospital.
And the people went to church.
The doors were locked.
The light wasn't on.

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No tissue in the restrooms.
Come on, come on, come on.
Don't y'all look at me likethat.
Amen.
And they come to the realizationthe pastor needed some help.

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Me, the pastor's right hand.
Amen.
Sometimes the pastor's got somany arms in the farm, he can't
do everything.
He's just one man.
He needs a right hand.
Somebody said, but let's justpour water in the water basin

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for him.
Glory to God, look at therewards.
The Bible said, if you just givea cup of cold water, any man,
that's glory to God.
Any money you'll give him aprophet's reward.
Just by giving him a cup of coldwater.
How much more would you get ifyou washed his hands?

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You mean he's so lazy he won'teven wash his own hands?
That has nothing to do with it.
You are serving, you arefulfilling your position and
responsibility.
But the pastor needs help.

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If the pastor asked you to, goto the hospital.
But I was planning a weenieroast this evening with my
family, how many outings has apastor had to put on the back

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burner?
Come on here.
Because the demand of theministry requires first.
And if you, as an assistant oryouth leader, youth pastor,
associate, come on here, helper,amen, deacon, whoever you might

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be in the local church, amen, ifyou are asked to go to the
hospital and visit so and so,amen, drop everything.
I said, I'm not doing it.

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The nursing home needs somebodyto go to the nursing home this
week.
Oh, they stink.
Ain't many nursing homes I'veever been in that doesn't have
an odor to it.
Not a pleasant one either.

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Come on here.
Hey, Brother Savage, I'm prayingfor you Tuesday night.
I don't need you Tuesday night.
I need you to go to the nursinghome.
Be ready to serve as Elishaserved.

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And your day will come.
And God will promote you as ourbrother preached to us this
morning.
I have been an associate in mylifetime.
I have had associates, helpers.
And I'm not speaking to you thismorning as a novice.

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I'm speaking to you fromexperience that you are not the
pastor.
You are to help in any way thatyou possibly can.
You know a good way to give yourpastor a heart attack and get
him in the hospital and out ofcommission for three weeks.

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Just go up to him and say,Brother Pastor, amen.
Is there anything you want me todo?

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Just name it.

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Amen.
I'm gonna quit.
I'm gonna quit.
Amen.

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I'm already tomorrow.

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But I want to tell you.
I want to deal tomorrow.
I've talked to you about somethings, but I want to deal with
you tomorrow about somenegatives.
I've talked to you about somepositive side of the second man.
I want to talk to you about somenegatives, some things you don't

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do.
Amen.