194 - Be Strong, Not Skinny

Have you ever said "Nothing tastes as good as skinny feels"? If you were around in the 80's and 90's, you likely either said this or have heard it before, thanks to some notorious fad diet programs out there. This week we are discussing the "Skinny Tok" trend that is coming back full circle and bringing with it all of the diet culture sayings and trends that we are working so hard to leave behind. There is a harmful narrative and focus in social media about being skinny again and its hard to ignore the correlation between this type of messaging and the popularity of weight loss drugs.We also rant and rave about peptide supplements and MLM companies trying to capitalize on GLP-1 drugs like Wegovy, Semaglutide, Terzepetide, and more - further proving that diet culture and the supplement industry won't rest until they squeeze every last penny out of you.Buckle up and tune in because we've got some things to say!Subscribe, stack, and save with Cured Nutrition! Never run out of your supply of Serenity or Flow gummies by subscribing and receive 20% off! In addition to that, you can stack your favorite bundle (we love the Harmony bundle!) to receive an additional 10% off. ⁠⁠Click here⁠⁠ for huge savings and don't forget to add our code 'CTC' for additional savings! Thank you Cured Nutrition for sponsoring this episode!Right now you can become an annual member of our Patreon and receive 30% off! Join now for monthly workouts, challenges, recipes, and to become part of the Cut The Crap Community! https://www.patreon.com/cutthecrappodcast⁠⁠⁠Visit our website to learn more about us, contact us, inquire about collaborating with us and more: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.cutthecrappod.com/⁠⁠⁠Follow us on Instagram: @cutthecrapwithbethandmattLike this episode? Why not share it with a friend!Send us a DM on Instagram to let us know what you think of this one, and with episode ideas! If we use your comment or suggestion, we'll give you a shoutout on the podcast!

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Speaker 1 (00:36):
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Speaker 2 (00:43):
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Speaker 2 (01:49):
Word or let's up, my friend, how are you doing well?

Speaker 4 (01:53):
Miss you man?

Speaker 2 (01:54):
He's been around. Noah, I miss you too. I'm excited
to see you in San Diego. Yeah, super excited. Maybe
we should talk about that very quickly, because we do.
We do have some more details about San Diego. Our
dates have changed. Yes, I hope that doesn't fuck everything up,
but we had to change. My father in law passed
away last December and we're having a memorial for him,

(02:16):
like a celebration of life that same weekend that we're
planning on having it. And also Matt's very best friend,
like super best friend.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Is from having grade.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, it's having a bachelor party.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
Right, Yeah, he's having a bachelor party.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah. So Matt can't miss that and I can't. I
should not miss my father in law's celebration of life
since I did know him since I was like seventeen
years old. So we have changed the dates to actually
July July tenth through. We're going to be there July
tenth through the fifteenth, but our high will be on

(02:53):
July twelfth, correct, Okay, And we have decided to hike
in Laoya, ok Lah WAYA. It's Tory Pine's Beach and
Broken Hill Loop. Tory Pines Beach and Broken Hill Loop.
It is three point one miles and it takes about
an hour and twenty minutes. You can look that up

(03:13):
on all trails. I don't know a time yet. Possibly eight,
I'm guessing maybe between. Maybe that's too early, Probably ten.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Do them early.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
I think usually we either do it either eight or ten.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah, well, we'll figure that out next. But at least
you you have the idea of where it is it's
uh takes you through Tory Pines State Natural Reserve near
San Diego. So we'll have ocean views things like that.
Pretty iconic.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Okay ic, We're going back to the best kind of
old stomping ground.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah, I know this. I'll be like, I'm like trying
to Okay, so we're trying. I'm trying to find this
an airbnb in San Diego. And so I've lived in
all different areas. I've lived on the beach, I've lived
like near downtown, I've lived in the gay area. I
have also lived like way outside of San Diego. So
I don't know. I want to ask Matt like where

(04:07):
he wants to stay because everything is relatively like close
to the Tory Pines Reserve. Yeah, so we'll have to
think about that and I haven't.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
I'll start looking and see what I find and.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Okay, yeah, maybe get an idea and then ask me
like if if this is me or anything. Yeah, Okay,
that sounds good.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Sounds good.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
I was renting for five to six people just in
case Johnny, Mandy and Christy. Oh, actually she won't be
there in San Diego. She'll be in She may come
with us too. Joshua Tree thank you afterwards. Yeah, yeah,
but she already lives in San Diego, so she wouldn't
be staying at therapy and be with us.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
Cool, all right, yeah, this is I mean, we got
too much to go for it.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
So I know, I'm so excited you guys.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
So let us know if you're coming, let us.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Know San Diego.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Pee. H Okay, great update there to start with Nerdle.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, exciting. I'm super excited. Yeah, totally all right, So
what else is new? What is on for me?

Speaker 1 (05:05):
I did my half marathon two weeks ago. We haven't
really talked about that.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
I know, talk about that because you had some little situation,
A situation, A situation.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
It was great, it was I had some GI issues
the morning of the race.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
Actually in the in the middle of.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
The race, I started experiencing some GI issues.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
I don't know if it was.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Stressed because I kept them all my food and like
everything I was eating the same leading up to it,
but I was under a little bit more stress and
just I was really wanting to crush my pr and everything.
Plus I might have even had some food food poisoning
because my mom actually was like, hey man, I saw
that you were sick, you weren't feeling great during your race,
and I was I had some food poisoning and just

(05:46):
throwing us out there because we ate at the same place.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
So interesting.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
So I don't know, I don't know what it was,
but I did the half marathon. Crushed my goal, right,
so I talked about on the podcast. My goal time
was one fifty seven to one fifty five for US
stretch goal. I made under over one fifty five one fifteen.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Fucking amazing.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yes, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
That's amazing. Forty pace or something that's like thirty minutes
faster than my my marathon pr is it. I think
my pr is like two fifteen.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
Yeah, no, dope, But who knows where you're going to
be next time you.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Do one the buck mouse. But that's awesome, Matt. Good
for you.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yeah, that was a really that was a hard race
because of the issues I was having, right, yeah, gi issues.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
So how did you get through that?

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Very carefully? No? So yeah, yeah, first and foremost, I
started feeling it around mile five and that's when I
feeled up for the first time with some gummies. I
was like, okay, well, this is this is bad. So
around mile six, I there was a fuel station in
a bathroom, so I ran into the port of gen
real quick and had I just wanted to check myself,
make sure like nothing was going to happen. And then
nothing happened then, so I was like, all right, thirty

(06:58):
seconds in there, hurry up, ran out. And then I
made the decision right then and there. I was like,
I'm not going to fuel anymore for the rest of
the break because you don't want to be eating a
bunch of gummies when you're having GI issues and things
like that. Oh no, yeah, stuff, so you know, just
have Marazon. So I didn't fuel the rest of the way,
and thankfully that saved me from exacerbating things. I think
in around mile eight I also took a quick restroom

(07:18):
break just to make sure. I tried to try to
use the restrooms. Don't have to go, so I just
I was like at that point, I was like, all right, well,
this isn't happening, so fucking pucker up. Essentially, it sucking
so and that's what I was telling myself, was like,
all right, like just figure this out, figure this out.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
And it was it was a mental game.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
It was mental game, so lots of pivoting and having
to really tap into the mental resiliency. But it's the
damn thing.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Damn yes, good for you.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
It was over training block. Really excited. Yeah, oh, a
training block. I really pushed it for like eight to
ten weeks there.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah. You don't fuck around with your training Matt. And
that's something that's inspiring about you. You take your goal
and you fucking just do what you need to do. Yeah,
you know, that's that's what you got to do. If
you want to be good at something, you have to
take it seriously. What's the point of like paying for
a race if you're not going to take it seriously
and trained for it. I don't know, And I've I've

(08:12):
actually not raced races recently because I didn't properly train
for it. And it's like, you know what, I'm not
racing this. I didn't properly train for it. What the
fuck am I doing? You know?

Speaker 1 (08:22):
Yeah? Totally.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
The last time I think he was training for a
half marathon, your training wasn't ideal, Right, So is that
what you're talking about?

Speaker 2 (08:29):
There was just time, wrong timing. I really love like
that Mountain race, so that I've wanted you to do that.
I sponsor every year. Yeah, and it just so happened
to be the same fucking weekend as my team retreat.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
That's right, That's what it was last year.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
And I didn't pay attention to the to the dates
when I was booking it because I get a free ticket.
I'm donating again this year. And I told her I
can't run, but she said, if I know anyone that
wants to run, I can give them a ticket.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Got it?

Speaker 4 (08:56):
Cool? Yeah, Mandy didn't.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
Is Mandy going to be doing that one?

Speaker 2 (09:01):
I don't know she is. I can ask her she
wants to cool. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
So speaking of like training and stuff though, So I've
been really dialed in with with my training for my
half Marazon bets, but also you've been fucking dialed in
with your with your big prep cut, right.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Dude, Okay, I'm on week three right now, and I'll
talk about my just experience with going to the ACDC
concert in Boston. So we you know, plan this ACDC thing.
Last year, we bought tickets and of course, like my cut,
it was like two weeks in and there's no fucking
around with what I'm doing. It's not go on the

(09:36):
weekend and get back on track on Monday type thing.
It's like, no, you need to be dialed in. So
I considered not going for a minute. I did, and
then in my group chat with the girls that are
doing this with me, they're like, that's pivot, bitch, You're
the queen of Pivot, you know. They're like, you're not
going to miss this that They of course talked me
off the fucking ledge. So it's good to have a

(09:58):
support system. Let's just talk about that too, right, So
they were like, you're not missing this. You can do this,
you know, just plan and so I took a fucking
breath and I planned all my meals for each day.
I'm like, okay, how many is that? Five meals? And
I chose to have one meal out and actually chat
GPT really helped me in this situation. I was like, okay,

(10:23):
what can I eat out? First? We were going to
eat at Texas Roadhouse, so I had that all planned out.
Turns out Texas Roadhouse was too far away from the hotel.
We wouldn't have time. So I pivoted and I'm like,
what can I have with this many amount of calories?
Macros and all that, you know, carbs, and fats, and
they gave me specifics and then I also tweaked it

(10:43):
a little bit more, but it took the decision of
fatigue away from me being at that restaurant. So I
already have that in my mind planned going in. It
was already in my tracker, like, this is how diligent
I have to be because I have specific amount of
carbs that I should can't go over, not necessarily go under,
because you need as many carbs as you can get, right,

(11:03):
you know. And I have to have a specific amount
of fats because you know, not enough fats it's not
good for hormonal health and then my protein. So I
did it. I fucking did it. And it was the
hardest thing. It was harder than doing the mini cut
on the road to Florida because I'm out of my element.

(11:23):
I'm not in the car driving and just you know,
I know what I'm doing. I go into the hotel.
It's like this was a.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Walk ND prepared on standby for you other than when
you're at the hotel.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Right, So right, I have I did have food, but
I also ate at Chick fil A and you know
that was not like this about the first time. Okay,
I see, yes, right right, I was really Now I'm
really tracking the fucking macros and all that stuff and
food quality and all that. So, yeah, it's just being

(11:56):
in Boston and at a concert with other people. So
it was not just me, it was Johnny's friend and
their parents and just in a different situation like being
at a concert being out. Usually you have candy with me.
It's like one of the things that as a sober person,
I like to like have my diet coke and my
candy at the concert, you know. So I brought a

(12:17):
protein baro yeah, and was ideal. No, it sucked, honestly,
it was so uncomfortable, but I fucking did it. And
it just gives me a lot of respect for people
that really they take this, you know, bodybuilding, the ones
aren't that aren't dysmorphic and whatever about it. It's like

(12:37):
their fucking job. It's like, if you were training for
a marathon, you would train still on the days you
were out right away.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
How I was super dialed in for that block of
training for my half marathon, right, You're also your goal
is just different, but you're still fucking dialed in.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah, yeah, I was hungry. I think that was a
little bit difficult too, being hungry and you know, waiting
for that next meal. And at one point I was like,
you know, I'm actually so hungry, I'm going to add
a meal, you know, I'm going to have a protein
or a bowl of yogurt with fruit before my next meal.
And it worked out, so yeah, I made it. But

(13:13):
it was like planning all the meals, planning the meal
on the right home, making sure when I got home
my meals were ready for me. So it was like
making sure everything was No.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
Yeah, you know, now, Beth, I know I wasn't motivated
all the time during my half marathon training. Have you
been motivated for this cut that you're doing right now?

Speaker 2 (13:35):
At first, I second guess my like I'm like, is
this even worth it? I actually asked myself that, and
I was like, yeah, it is, bitch, okay, so just
shut the fuck up. It's the first two weeks or
of the hardest. But no, I mean I'm not moved
motivated all the time. I never am. Really.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, I wanted to kind of add that in about motivation.
How we did these things even though we weren't motivated
all the time because we were we were focused on
the end goal.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Right, Yeah, And my motivation is also doing this with
my teammates and showing women in our age bracket that
they can literally do anything they want to at any age.
And I just think a lot of women feel like
they can't they can't get to that next level, whatever
that next level is for them, Like this would be
my next level because I've been doing this for a while,

(14:20):
you know, like you kind of do these things. It
takes consistency and action and is it hard? Fuck? Yeah,
what I'm doing is probably the hardest thing I've ever
done in my nutrition's journey.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Okay, yeah, oh, but you also had that foundation to
fall back on too, so yeaheah, right, you didn't just
go straight to getting like super dialed in like this
and going straight to tracking macros and packing your mends.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
But if somebody was just starting out, that's not what
we would be doing.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
No, Like this is first off, we've been training for
this for a year now, you know what I'm saying.
So we've been doing all the things all through the year.
I've been intermittently like practicing macros, like it's never I've
never tracked macros. Yeah, I'm a protein in calories person.
So this is different for me.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Sure, yeah, definitely different. I like what you said too
about you know, having that support system, you know, because
they were able to talk you out and get you
refocused and convinced and not to convince you, but they
let to co sign your own bullshit. I think that's
really important identifying a support system. Is a support system
isn't somebody that's going to just say that's just going
to be there for you and be right co sign

(15:31):
your bone bullshit, be like, oh you're not going to
work out today, That's okay, we can right get it tomorrow.
Sometimes your support system needs to be.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Able to call you out and yeah, I mean that's
really what it comes down. I didn't want to do
it because I knew it was hard. It was inconvenient, dude.
You know, why would I want to like inconvenient myself
on a fucking trip to Boston during an ac DC concert,
you know, But it just so happens to me during
this time, and I'm like, I'm not fucking off right now,

(15:58):
Like this is totally doable if I actually take the
time and plan, which I have. So that's really what
it takes. You have to make that decision, like, you know,
my actions aligning with my goals currently my just being
a fucking lazy bitch.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah for sure, for sure. And I was kind of
a lazy bitch over the weekend. But I wasn't really
that lazy though, because it was it was Sunday morning,
and I'm outside of training right now for my half marathon,
so my running motivation is a little kind of not
there right now. I don't I'm still kind of just
relaxing after my half that was only two weeks ago. Yeah,

(16:33):
I'm going to start hitting it again next week. But
I wanted to go on a run and I felt like, I,
you know, I wanted to run. I knew it was
what it was good for me. But Sunday morning came
and it was raining, it was cold, and it was
miserable outside. Like, I don't want to go do this
right I don't want to go for it right right now.
I trained in all the elements for or the over
the winter time, in negative six degree snow and snowstorms

(16:56):
and thunderstorms and things like that. Yeah, I did those
hard things and I didn't want to do that day.
I have no fucking reason too, But I still did something.
I ran on treadmill instead. I did a run for
sixty minutes like I wanted to, but I ran almost
three miles, which is nothing.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
I hear you on that, Matt. It's funny because, like
you said, like I when I used to run a lot,
I've trained in all the elements. I ran a half
marathon in like twenty below zero. Now sometimes I'm like,
I'm not going to fucking walk in this shit. Meanwhile,
I was the person that did the crazy ass shit
at like five in the morning, fucking twenty below and
it's blackout, you know, I mean, And it's it's just funny,

(17:33):
like when you have that motivation for that specific goal,
you will fucking do anything. And that's called priorities.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
That is a funny. That is priorities. And that is
the best example we probably could give you about that. Yeah,
I would agree with that. I agree with that.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Two very real use cases of us.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yeah for sure.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yeah, something is always better than nothing, and that's really
what we want people to understand. And so I did it,
and hey felt good afterwards. You know, even though ron sucked.
I hated every fucking moment of it.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
It was not God a hamster wheel.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yeah, like none, none of that. But I did the
damn thing and I'm happy and I'm proud that I did.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
If you can run on the treadmill for more than
a certain amount of time, you could do anything, right.
I ran fucking nine miles on a treadmill once. Yeah,
okay to train for a race because we had it
was the elements outside. It was literally could not run
in like ice. So that was fun. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
I've been getting a lot of questions lately, like does
running on treadmill count, you know, and things like that,
and it's like, yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Of course run account that's happening here today.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
But we've really gone full circle with some of the
stuff that's out there and findness and nutrition.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
You guys, it is so bad out there, and I
feel like I say this all the time, but my
for you page is out of fun. I can do
a total eight minute reel on all the bullshit that
I see and just be like, look at that video.
Everyone is due the b rolls with talking about their
fucking Cortisol. I mean, wow, wow, And here's my link.

(19:11):
I feel like there's so many MLMs out there or
companies disguised as not MLMs, but truly are because.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
It really really fucking yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Pretty bad, especially that happy Juice ship that there's something
about that.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
I don't know, happy juice.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
What the fuck is happy juice? Is that that fiber
supplement cortisol?

Speaker 2 (19:33):
It's like a cortisol lowering drink or something.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Oh, my corsol belly is gone with my happy Yeah?

Speaker 4 (19:38):
Is that that one?

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Something like that?

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yeah? No, I We've gone full circle, like from where
we were just a few years ago. Like, yeah, I
would say the pandemic is when we were really fighting
a lot of this stuff with misinformation and the cortisol
and all all this bullshit with supplements and skinny talks.
Skinny talk has made is making a fucking.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
What is happening? Is that? What is that? There's like.

Speaker 4 (20:07):
This This is my opinion where it's coming from.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Now. This is just my opinion based off of experience
working with clients and just being in social media and
being a coach. But I think the skinny talk resurgence
so essentially thin as in everybody wanting to be as
skinny as possible again, right, and it's giving diet culture again.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
I think it comes down to, like.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
The GLP ones and everything that we have out there
because they're so easily accessible and readily accessible for people,
and so they're taking them. And then we see these
people then getting on social media and further perpetuating like
the skinny talk.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Miss the GLP one situation is being way overused right now.
I am truly frightened for the future of women and
they're bone and muscle health in America.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
The whole skin thin is in skinny.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Look is being is I have been again, I have
been getting to ms from women asking me if they
should take a GLP one. They want to take a
GLP one to lose ten pounds fuck that, Like, are
you fucking I'm like, are you out of your mind?
Are you fucking out of your mind? Come on, guys.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
The problem is is because the fuck you up forever then, right.
The problem is these are so easily accessible, these drugs
now because you can go to a compounding compounding pharmacy
and get them, you can get them online.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Well, the influencers are selling them.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
The influencers are selling them like.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Big okay, I know I can name a few right now, sure,
and some of them I follow and I'm like, what
the fuck is this shit? How can you sell a
GLP one?

Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yeah, right, be affiliated.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Or they're affiliated to where they get theirs and they
send their people.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
Earning earning money on that right.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Yeah. So I think because ozembic is so easily accessible
for everybody right now, Yeah, a lot of people are
taking it for sure, and they're and you can tell
usually the influencers that are taking it, they have a
certain look, right, and that's where that skinny talk is
coming from, because they're just skinny, That's what it is.
They're skinny. They're not lean, they're not toned. They don't

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have the body composition that we're talking about being healthy,
which means having more muscle, being stronger, because they're not
doing the things that it takes that are required to
have the strong, healthy body. So they're crash dieting just
like they have for all these decades, and they're just
perpetuating the cycle and they're just finding new ways to
be skinny again. It's like hooking nineties eighties weight watchers
all over.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Oh god, it'shucking wulsh wild. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, like literally the skin just hashtag skinny talk. You
open it up and it's just diet culture from the night.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Oh my god, I'm becoming so unhinged in my reels
right now because I'm just done, Matt. It's out of control,
Like people need to wake the fuck up.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
Learned nothing.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
I mean, I just don't care anymore. I don't care.
I'm just saying what I think, like I'm done trying
to make sure I'm not going to piss somebody off. Yes,
and there's a new thing like a calorie deficit doesn't
work for fat loss. There's that new thing going around too.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
Again, that's back, yeah, m but the GLP one.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Probably does right, right, And and then you know your peptides,
which is just like a GOLP one. Is that what
this is about? And you want to explain that because
I haven't seen that shit everywhere fucking peptides.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yes, So peptides are a short chain of amino acid
that can be taken in supplement form. So that's really
what we're seeing a lot of right now. So, so
peptides are are a thing, right, It's they are in
amino acids, So it's not like it's bullshit. But the
benefits and the claims people are making, as always, are
sensationalized and largely bullshit. And the research that we have

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on a lot of the peptides that are available over
the counter supplements are or even in a medical situation,
are done on rodents, and so we still don't have
human control studies all these things, but they're often sold
as powders or pills, and the client people are saying,
influencers are saying, your body's gonna absorb these better than

(24:07):
regular protein. It is what a lot of people is
what I'm hearing and I and I only started. This
only got brought to my attention within the last week
or so because we had some clients in our group
chat like, Hey, what's the up? Have you seen these
about peptides? And they gave me a few examples and
I'm like, back.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
It's bad.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
They linked me one. I'm like, can you give me
an example? And it's a fucking MLM multi level marketing.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Oh fuck them. I want to take all those people
down to.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
In terms of like collagen peptides, creatine peptides and things
like that.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Creatine peptides, give me a fucking break.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Now. The reason why that these peptides are becoming so
popular right now is because g LP ones are so
LP one stands for glucagon like peptide one. So that's
a peptide hormone that plays a crucial role role in
regulating our blood sugar levels, right, which is diabetics get
prescribed GLP one's helps with insulin secretion and energy homeostasis,

(25:06):
so energy balance, right, And we know these things. But
aus GLP one is a peptide, people are like, hey,
we can just start selling peptides and it'll do the
same fucking thing.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Got it.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Not how that fucking works, guys, now, not how that works. Now,
your peptide supplements that you're taking from your influencer, that's
a powder or a pill or a drink.

Speaker 4 (25:26):
That's not a LP one drug. Okay, it's not we gov.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
That's not semi glue tie, that's not tr zeppatide, it's
not manjaro. Okay. It's one that I looked up, Beth.
It's called night shred GLP one rapidly boost GLP one
production naturally while achieving the deepest sleep imaginable. Night shread
only seventy dollars for a single purchase. Night Shred GLP
one I shouldn't have been Jesus, please don't please don't
go look this product up. I shouldn't even said the

(25:53):
product name, but that's one of them, okay, And it's
just bullshit, Like you see GLP one being plastered all
over every thing peptides because people know that GLP one.
I think people realizing that GLP one is a type
of peptide, it's a hormone.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
So so marketing right theme.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
So fucking disgusted right now. Honestly with this whole die culture.
I'm really fucking just over it.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Matt.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
I feel like we have been just not only just us,
but there's so many of us on the Internet that
have been talking about scientific, evidence based nutrition and everything
to do with health and wellness, and I feel like
no one hears it. I know they do. I know
they do. I know a lot of people do. But
I feel like, when is it going to make a

(26:39):
dent on this fucking war on die culture?

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Do you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Honestly, that's like.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
I hate to say it, that's what I have. I
have size, Yeah, big old side.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Like it's almost a losing battle, but it's a battle
that needs to be done regardless. At the end of
the day, we can make it we are making an impact,
and we do make an impact. I mean our listen now,
followers are clients, people are listening, right, we know that.
But on the large scale of things, yeah, until it
needs to be better regulation and needs to come from

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the FDA actually enforcing the regulations and things like that,
and we know that's not going to happen, especially with
our current administration and everything, because that's the problem too.
And again this isn't political, but a lot of the
people that are promoting this peptides and all these other things,
like it's it's.

Speaker 4 (27:28):
Very direct in alignment with a lot of like the MAHA.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Stuff, but maybe yeah, it really is a.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Lot of the influencers that are very pro like some
of that stuff, they're also promoting peptides and things like that. Yeah,
and it just continues. The whole thing is like grifter
is going to drift people sake, oil salesmen are going
to continue to find ways to make money off of
glible people. Is really what it comes down to. Yeah, yeah,
until there, I don't know when it comes to die culture,

(27:56):
I don't know what the right answer is. I guess
just continue to do what we're doing and try our best,
try to get through two women and to young women,
especially especially when it comes to things like skinny talk,
you know, And that's really what it comes down to,
is like we starting our children early and teaching them
what a balanced approach to nutrition, exercise and everything looks like.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Right, Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
It's it's challenging because every time a new supplement comes out,
we see this come out and these aren't new supplements,
they're just being really sensationalized right now, and we have
to spend months convincing people that you'd be better off
burning your money than buying these yeah supplements.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
A lot of the time, anytime you see someone say,
fucking comment this word, so I can give you my protocol,
like a fucking supplement, immediately a red flag m h. Immediate,
red fucking flag. Okay, if they're not talking in their
video and they just have words and they're just showing
their body parts before and after fucking scroll.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
I agree. Was that?

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (28:57):
They scroll body check and they're trying to sell use
their body to.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
Sell like something. Yeah, like come on, guys, I don't
like that's that's fucking ridiculous. That just tells me they're
trying to sell you something.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Yeah, they're going to sell you their bodies. What they're
trying is what they're doing right now by doing right
And as we know, everybody's body is different. And you write,
you can't just buy this supplement or do this routine
and then have your have the body.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
You know. Let's talk about Janelle Rohner for a second. Okay,
so fucking a. I'm actually mutually friends with her. I
like her on the level of like food, and I
think she's I don't mind her. I don't know. I
see I see her as a person that was struggling
with die culture and probably still is. Absolutely she is

(29:44):
a good person. She just monetized her following like most
creators have done. Like like she was probably given a
lot of diamonds, you know, shiny fucking she She did
not get famous for being a nutrition coach or what.
I don't know exactly what she's doing. Key, She got

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famous for making keto fucking food and saying bustin'. So
you all are following someone that started in twenty twenty
saying bustin' and shit making pickle fucking cheese sandwiches, and
now you're buying her whatever she's doing and expecting it
to be fucking top notch and her not to have
not said that she was on a GLP one.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
Yeah, so for anybody that doesn't know, maybe, I'm sure
everybody probably does. We've both made that.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
It has been all over social media.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Some people don't really know her at all, so.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
So context here. Janelle wrote Roner, she keto influencer that
blew up during the mid pretty much. She came up
with like me and Beth like with us, right, yeah,
so we saw this happening.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
Now she's got five point two million followers.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
It wasn't like yeah back then, but no, I remember
I've actually stitched into added some of her videos before,
like guys like you don't need to do this as
it's bullshit Keto's boy.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yeah yeah. And and then she made that transformation from
going keto to a normal macro counting strength training, Like
she started doing.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Normal and at first I was like, I love this,
this is like growth. Yeah, I was like, you know,
wasn't sustainable for her? Yeah, she's doing this macro approach.
But unfortunately, like she became also a macro coach overnight too, right.
That rubbed me the wrong way when I first saw
that that was odd.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Right, somebody that was just diehard Keto is now a
macro coach overnight, so that's red fright right. Yeah, but
still we I didn't like whatever. You know, people learn,
people grow. I'm not gonna hold that against her, right right.
But then you know, here's a couple of years later,
now she just let it be known that she's been
taking a GLP one for better part of a year

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or something.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
And I noticed that. I was like, God, she's getting
really like ripped, like ripped, like holy shit, and I,
you know, I just scroll and I just let it go.
I don't get my like, I'm like, I don't want,
I don't need to get involved in other people's ship,
all right, scroum. And then you know this came out
and I'm like, oh, she's like, oh that makes sense.

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But you know, who am I to ask? Why?

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Right? That's none of our business, like we you know
for sure. And in social media she made a video
because people were asking were like, are you taking ozembic?
And finally she came out and she made a video
and the way she went about making the.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Video, people that would watch my YouTube.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Yeah, she made a video on like TikTok and Instagram,
Go watch my YouTube, which was clearly just a way
for her to drive traffic to her YouTube, right right,
So you're you're you're just some disingenious right there, you know. Yeah,
so she made a video like yes, I have been
taking this for X amount of time, you know, And
so people were pissed, you know, And whether they're they're
right or wrong to be pissed, I'm not, that's not
for up to me to decide. But you know a

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lot of people were pissed because they felt deceived, because
they're like, you were selling a macro plan and this
image and the solusion in this lifestyle. Well now comes
out that you're taking this weight loss jug and everybody's like,
we wanted a care if you were taking if you
would have just told us, right.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Because also you need the lifestyle and the strength training
with or without the way lost drug.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Right.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
So it was just working quicker for her and made
her more consistent with whatever if she wasn't consistent, I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Yeah, yeah, I know she said that, you know, her
and her therapist and her doctor. This was a team decision.
And for like, there was mental health and there are
mental health benefits.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
To it for sure. Yeah, she may. I think she
may have struggled with binge eating, like so it could
have been something for that, which that's legitimate, like it Like, also,
it's not about the size you are. Also, you can
be unhealthy being underweight. You know, there's.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
Exactly a point with like skinny talk, this obsession with
being skin and thin is in.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
You know, that's not she She could have had in
this sense an incessant amount of food noise. We don't
know her situation. I'm not going to try to guess. Yes,
should if she have been transparent, of course, but does
it surprise you? No, That's what I'm talking about. It's like,
you guys need to stop taking advice from fucking influencers, right, Yeah,

(34:04):
Matt and I were not influencing.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
I hate influencing.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
You fucking labeled us that way. Yes, you gave us
that label. We came on here as coaches and we're
still coaches. Were nothing more, yes, okay, nothing less. We're
fucking coaches first and foremost. Why don't you take advice
from an actual fucking coach rather than an influencer that
has made fucking pickle cheese sandwiches okay, and is now

(34:28):
selling Macro plans without a coaching experience in her fucking life. Right,
Let that sink in, guys.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
The experience was she lost a bunch of weight with
with with Keto and then with Macros, and that's that. Like,
just because somebody loses weight doing something does not make
them qualified to help others do that same thing.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Stop letting someone's body be your reason to start their plan.

Speaker 4 (34:55):
Our bodies are not business cards, you know, sorry, but
they're not.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Exactly Why do you think that me and Matt Deild
tramps around and fucking you know, like, have you ever
seen me wear a fucking crop top and fucking shorts
or any of that ship on here? Nor not on here,
but on my videos you know, maybe when I'm in
the bodybuilding fucking era.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Yeah right, I may.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
But other than that.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
But you're not.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
So you're not doing all your like you're not sitting
there selling your body and trying to get them to
get I'm.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Gonna be I'm not gonna be like, you know, come
the TMBSF so you can look like this, yo, No,
because what I'm doing is not gonna last. So I
may just be like flauting around for fucking three months
and then that's it, do you know what I mean? Whatever?

Speaker 1 (35:38):
Absolutely, absolutely, yeah, So we need to start following actual professionals,
people with credentials, people with experience.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Actually work with other people who.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Actually work with people, and don't just sell meal plans
and macro plans. I'm sorry, but if any of our
if anybody's listening, that's like a sells macro plans. I'm sorry,
but like.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
That's kind of b us. Yes, that's not coaching.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Yes, it's not coaching. Giving somebody a macro plan is
not coaching. It's just the equivalent of giving somebody a
meal plan.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
And you're paying for what you get two hundred dollars
is you think is a lot, but it's actually not.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
No for quality for coaching, that doesn't mean tip discretch.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Now, that's not even the tip of the iceberg.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
So yeah, and the the reason for that because real coaching,
first of all, you're paying for people's experience and education,
and you're also paying for their time and for them
helping you work very closely with you, what hands on
one on one. Yeah, and that's not happening in a
meal plan. That's not happening, right, plan for two hundred

(36:44):
dollars from an influencer, you.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Probably don't even get to talk to a human.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Right, where's the coaching that doesn't teach you anything? So
we're just we're following influencers and doing the things that
they're doing because we want the results that that they get.
But look at the influencers that were following doing it.
They're still struggling with diet culture and yo yo dieting.
This is not nothing against Janelle, but she went from
Keto to Macros to being on a GLP one. Okay,

(37:15):
there should be a red flag. That's somebody that started
in Keto has now made this complete transformation and is
now selling you something else. Because even when she was
a Keto influencer, she was selling Keto recipes, Keto cooch
I'm sure, yeah he was. I looked back and she's
still on her website. You can still buy that shit.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Yeah. And then when I see her become a Macro
coach overnight, it's like, okay, well my radar went off,
like okay, so this is my radar. This is the
latest cash grab, you know, essent, Yeah, what I see
and what I what I think. Yeah, we gotta separate
influencers from from from coaches. I don't know many coaches

(37:55):
that have five point two million followers, Beth now me,
neither Jordan Saya reached one million.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
Oh god, he's been on the he's been on Instagram
since fucking twenty fifteen or some shit. Right, that's a
hard reach for right, you really good influencers after five years?
You know, Oh my god, Yeah, that was a mile zone.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
It's going to be a you know, really fucking hard
for you going forward because oh yeah, just like with
weight loss, the further into it you get, the harder
it becomes.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Absolutely I lose more than I gain most of the time. Yeah,
the more you have, the more you lose.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Well, just because it's also big following.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
It doesn't mean shit. Doesn't mean shit exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Except if it's me and Matt Well, I don't have
a big following, really, I guess. So. I mean on TikTok, you.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Do on TikTok, you're oh, you're almost at half a
mil there.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
Yeah, I'm trying to get back into the TikTok game.
I'm trying to, like, I'm really.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Even from there. I'm just letting. I'm just having fun
right now. I'm just doing my thing and I'm not
taking it. No, I am taking it serious, but I'm
not getting I'm just making content that I feel like
is important to me right now. I guess that's what
you know. I want people to understand that you're not
going to buy your way in supplement into your health
and all that shit, you know, implement your way to

(39:15):
get using their hormones as a fucking excuse. The victim mentality.
How many victims?

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Yeah, the victimhood mentality. Oh dude, you give me an example,
like something that you've seen. I mean, it's all over
And that's part of the reason why I'm starting to
reprioritize TikTok is because I know that's where the breeding
grounds are for this stuff.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Oh yeah, skinny talk.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
Yeah, and when I was looking up some skinny talk
stuff before this call before we start recording, it says
nine out of ten girls follow social media accounts that
make them feel less beautiful, and more than half say
they can't measure up to the beauty standards they see online. Right,
it's because we're following influencers. It's because we're following the Kardashians.
It's because we're following people that are doing unrealistic shit results,

(40:00):
so we're comparing ourselves. It goes back to the comparison syndrome.
We're comparing elves to these influencers. That's that's their job.
That's their entire fucking line is to be have a
six pack and to be shredded being lean.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Okay, you find out let's see. Oh yeah, Well, like
the video I stitch today, it's like so tired of
the condescending attitude and the fitness industry. Hormones play a
huge role in weight, and lots of people are struggling.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Of course, hormones play a factor, but that's not why
you're not losing weight.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Like, hormones don't make you gain or lose weight. It's
what they do. They cause you to either be not
hungry or super hungry. That's where the calories come in,
and I think get people get really confused because dysregulated
hormones can make you crave a lot, Like if you're
not sleeping, you're going to be more hungry. You know,

(40:52):
there's certain other things that make you not eat as well,
like maybe you're super stressed, sometitimes people don't like your
make cord is all right, maybe you're not eating. I
don't eat when I'm stressed, right.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
And that makes it worse. That makes your like, that
makes your hunger worse. So the hormones that you're combating.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Play a factor in symptoms and things like that, but
they don't play a factor and whether you gain or
lose fat from the calorie situation.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
And the way that you get control of these hormones
is not by taking supplements, right, by boring based out how.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
To get it.

Speaker 4 (41:26):
Yeah, the boring basic shit. Improve your sleep quality, improve
your diet, improve your exercise, improve your daily happens. We
know that people that under eat, they typically that leads
to having hormonal problems. So when we feed them more calories,
guess what happens to their hormonal issues? They usually correct themselves, right,

(41:47):
they they.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
And I don't. I don't. I don't like to say
correct themselves because your hormones aren't broken or unbalanced, because
that's the other thing is.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
You're consistently fluctuating. You can never balance them. So stop
saying bones are something that go or trying to balance
your hormones. Okay, that's not a thing. So when you
see a hormone balancing coach, immediate, immediate.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
They're going to be selling you some lab work. They're
going to be selling you all kinds of makeups, and
then they're going to be selling you the solutions because
of what their blood works at or whatever.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Yeah, And that's another thing that I'm seeing BATH is
like coaches doing blood work consultations.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Dude, what is this?

Speaker 4 (42:23):
Like, what the fuck is going on here?

Speaker 2 (42:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
We're not ending chronologists, Like, what the fuck are you
trying to do?

Speaker 2 (42:30):
And ship?

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Yeah? No, fuck that, fuck that. You're your fucking health coach. Okay, God, yeah,
you know your scope of practice and stay within it.
I can't believe we have to say these things.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Right, I can't believe we have to say any of this.
Ship mm hmmmm.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
But you want to balance your hormones, guys, if you're
if you're hungry and you're growing hormone, well you can
get a good night's sleep and that will help you
regulate your your cortisol and you're growing.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Okay, that's why you talk about sleep. How important it is, guys,
for so many reasons, the control one of them.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Okay, stress management. Appetite control is a huge one.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Absolutely, Yes, it's a massive.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Nine times out of ten, if a client is struggling
with overeating and striking massive hunger, that's obsessive, obsessively being
hungry and things like that, it's because their sleep quality
isn't very good. They're not they're not sleeping enough, they're
not eating enough. Those are usually the two.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Biggest Yeah, and that happened to me just the other
day in Boston, And that's why I was extremely hungry
on Sundays because shitty sleep Saturday night, and I was
already in a calorie deficit, and so it seemed a
lot worse.

Speaker 4 (43:41):
M h, Yeah, you know for sure.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Yeah, you got to get that sleep, guys.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
Sleep is important. So going back to kind of skinny
talk here, I just I want to keep talking about this.
So skinny talk is a growing corner of TikTok where
some creators focus heavily on achieving and maintain extreme thinness,
often sharing restrictive eating routines, what I eat in a
day videos and body focused content. Okay, so those are

(44:07):
two kind of red flags those what and I'm not
inherently against what I eat in a day? Videos, but
I think they can be problematic, and a lot of
the times they are. You know, I post what I
eat in a day, but it's like I'm not saying, hey,
here's what you I in a day.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
You know, I'll come up with those Reddit and even.

Speaker 4 (44:24):
That doesn't track calories. Fucking like it or not, I
don't care.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
You know, you're fucking walk them in a speedo with
your fucking breakfast. Yes, what I what I eat today?
Matt vandlar fit.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
So some common types of skinny talk content to be
aware of are those what I in a day videos
that are featuring very limited meals presented as ideal motivational
posts that tie thinness to happiness and found you can
you'll be happy again or successful or gain your confidence
back once you lose this fifteen pounds. That's culture. That's
skinny talk tips framed a life hacks for avoiding food

(45:01):
or eating as little as possible. Right, That's something that
I'm seeing a lot of. How to how to curb
your appetite, how to curb hunger. Well, if you have
a craving, the best way to cure that craving is
to honor the fucking craving. Anything not denial, not restricting. Yep,
absolutely crazy. So that's why it's important to have these

(45:22):
conversations like we're having right now with each other and
other people to raise awareness to these type of things
and start using more body positive language. And I know
body positivity has got a negative wrap, but we need
to be more positive when we're talking about our bodies period,
because that's where diticulture thrives. That's where things like skinny
talk and being marketed from MLM supplements, that's where they

(45:43):
fucking thrive. Is us hating our bodies, by us being
unhappy with our bodies and constantly wanting to get wise
to be happy. If there's nothing wrong with changing our bodies,
right Beth, Now, it's why we're changing.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
That mass exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
If we're changing our body because we want to be
a skinniest post. We hate ourselves, We hate our body,
we hate our cellulate, our roles, whatever. That's a toxic
approach to it, and that's going to give you a
healthy relationship with that. You can't hate yourselves the smaller
Once you start appreciating your body and giving your giving
yourself grace and compassion, love and respect, amazing things usually

(46:19):
happen with our body. I don't know of a single
client that has ever been successful because they hated their body.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Right.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
So that's like what a lot of what we do
with our clients, right is, is that inner work, the
mental work, the mindset work is reframing our thoughts, changing shoulds. Right,
the should behavior is talking about shoulding ourselves and the
what ifs, and the all or nothing thinking and all
these type of things, the things that we talk about
being so imperative, we start addressing those things and start

(46:48):
actually like, hey, I might not like all things about
my body, but I do like some things about my body.
Here's why I like about it. It's strong, I'm beautiful,
I'm fucking whatever. Focusing on what you can do instead
of what you can't do. When you started exactly those negatives,
all those things that you're not good enough at, the
things that you can't do, that's where the supplements come
in and start creeping in. Because they're very persuasive with

(47:10):
their marketing and their language. Because they're doing things like
the body checks with their video with with their videos,
the day videos look like me and things like that,
and it's it's all emotional. They're playing on your emotions,
and they're playing you for a fucking fiddle, and they've
been doing it for your entire life for a lot
of people, just being repackaged and remarketing absolutely absolutely What

(47:31):
else are you seeing on your end of the internet,
in your corner of the internet.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Exactly everything we've been talking about and what I've been
talking about recently, and is all those fucking Cortisol videos,
the MLMs, the victim mentality, the thousands of fucking comments
on these videos that are like happy juice, and it's
it's literally frightening. Like I went through a video yesterday
that had eight thousand comments for her product bejuice. I

(48:01):
don't know exactly what it was. It was a product
only and she had like barely any likes, right, like
eight thousand of those That gets the video going is
all the comments. That's what they do.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Likes don't actually do anything for video.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
I mean, it's the comments that make them the video
because that means people are engaging in the content. So
that's a lot of the reason why they say comment this.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Word, which I let me just go out and I
fucking I agree with what you're saying. With saying commenting
the keyword, and I hate how it's being abusedcause these
people like me that actually use that as a legit strategy.
You're interested in getting some help with my coaching, comment
fucking coaching below, and I'll send you a message.

Speaker 4 (48:42):
It's going to be sending a message.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
But then we have these assholes like you say, that
are doing the automations that are which are.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
A lot, and like I said, it's taking the people
that are actually doing it legitimately, but which there aren't.
They're few and far between, and people are getting pissed
off at it in general.

Speaker 4 (48:59):
So yeah, ruining a good thing, ruining it for everybody.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yeah, that's what people do. It's true, you know, I
mean they do. They take something and they fucking like
you want that's like a miracle thing. And then now
everyone's fucking taking it. When they lead, you lose five
pounds and then they're going to wonder why they fucking
can't afford it anymore than they gain one hundred million
pounds back. Their hunger is just regulated and they're all
fucked up, no muscle, no bone.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
Same thing that people did in well with the hCG
giet diet, right, Yeah, that was a big one one
in the nineties with oh my god, with all these.

Speaker 4 (49:30):
Fucking crash diets. That's they're just reprised.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
All they're doing is crashing you, putting on putting making
you low eat low calories. That's that's what they're doing,
putting you on low calories. You're not eating enough protein,
and you're going to shrivel, shrivel away and shrink into nothing.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Yeah, shrivel away and shrinking and nothing away, shrinking enough, basically,
And how are we tired yet of.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Trying to just be as small as possible and take
up as little space as possible and as skinny as possible. Right, right,
Who doesn't somebody want to be like a strong badass bitch?

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Right?

Speaker 1 (50:00):
I know I love our clients love being strong badass bitches. Yeah,
I know, I know yours do too. Oh yeah, Like
why do we want to?

Speaker 2 (50:07):
I wouldn't. I wouldn't be doing this bodybuilding thing if
I didn't think I was a strong badass bitch in
the first place. Like muscle wise, strength wise.

Speaker 4 (50:15):
You've done the work I've been.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Yeah, I've been becoming a strong ass bitch for a while.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Because if we cut down, right, if we did if
we haven't given years into strength training, at least a
few years. And you try cutting down like you're not
gonna you're cutting down to what your skeleton. You're gonna.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
People understand is that you need to if you want
a shredded, toned look, which is muscle, it's muscle you
need to build. You need to build muscle. You That's
why when people are like, well I lost all this
weight and I just don't see a difference, that's because.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
You you lost a bunch of weight because you're in
you're under muscle.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
So now you're just under muscle. Then you're just a
smaller version of.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Your other selves, smaller version of your.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Which is basically now skinny pot anything, which is the
actual term for it, and I don't like that term
so much, but it's the right term for it.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
Yeah, you don't have any definition.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
You still got that belly, right even, Yeah, you still
got that belly.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
That's the thing. Being skinny. It can be unhealthy too.
You can be diabetic, you can get diet type two
diabetes being skinny actually, because you know, your body composition
just sucks because you're under muscled and you have.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
To That's what I'm saying about the you could have
a ton of visceral fat too being skinny.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
Yeah, exactly, exactly, I see.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
I mean we see it especially in people that are
drinkers and things like that.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Right, Yeah, I can tell a drinker a mile away.
And it's unfortunate though it's skinny fast, usually women with
really big bellies and a really red face and the
rest of the body is smaller. It's odd. It's just
like alcoholism. Actually a lot where I live, Oh yeah,
for sure. Yeah, a lot of people drink here.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
I mean that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
I think it's not a lot to do.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
More rural right m h.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
So yeah, if you don't want to be a smaller
version of your current body composition, you've got to have
a base of a foundation of muscle and strength to
show when you cut down to nothing, or you're gonna
be skin bones and some fat. And I don't think
anybody wants that. Your health doesn't want it, that's for
sure for sure.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Oh, show bo, show by show by show.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
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Speaker 4 (52:33):
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Speaker 1 (52:35):
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Speaker 4 (53:06):
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Speaker 1 (53:08):
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Our personal favorites are the Flow Gummies and Serenity Gummies,
which I'm still taking flow almost every single day.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
I'm taking two few times a week.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Yeah, yeah, I missed my Serenity Gummies when I went
to Florida. I didn't bring enough, and I was fucking.

Speaker 4 (53:27):
Behind when I was getting there.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
I think, yeah, right right at the beginning, I don't
know what. I had a whole bag here too, and
I accidentally left it.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Got it.

Speaker 4 (53:35):
So you've got your supply going again.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Yeah, yeah, realizing it. It helps me relax at the
end of the day. Yeah. And I just love the
flow I take them every day. I call my pr gummies. Yeah,
I'm telling you for sure.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
I mean my best workouts recently have been with taking
flow gummies.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
That is a good This is a good episode. I hope,
I really hope that if you if you heard something
in this episode when it comes to die culture with
the skinny stuff with the peptides, and you found that helpful,
share it with the friend because I think that's one
of the best things that we can do right now
to spread of just harmful information about being as possible
and skinny and skinny does's and skinny that. No, we

(54:19):
want to be strong, we want to be healthy, okay,
And if you want to lose weight, absolutely you can
do that. Let's look at body composition changes. So if
you're hearing these things and like, share it with the friends,
share a podcast with a friend, because yeah, I think
that's the reason why this stuff is so popular is
because people share it, right, because it goes viral. So
the only way for us to combat that is to

(54:41):
fight fire with fire. So we need you guys to
share our stuff too.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
There's some I was gonna say, who says that? I
was like that. Of course I immediately went to fight
fire in my brain. Yes, yes, fucking the old school Metallica,
that was for sure.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
For sure.

Speaker 4 (54:59):
That's why I think I'm going to do a five
k this weekend.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Actually, are you fun?

Speaker 1 (55:04):
My dad asked me. I was like, well, asking me. Absolutely,
It's like a benefit I think for heart disease or
something like that, which is really cool. So I'm happy.
I'm excited to do that. I'll probably I don't know,
I'll probably just go there and run hard and run
and have.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Fun and see yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
My last five k was the day after day after Thanksgiving,
which was also like two weeks after I had done
a half marathon or that's when I said a pr
So I'm excited, I think, yeah, to see where what
I can do with my five k, because that's actually
one thing that I was that I'm going to be
doing next for my next training block is I'm going
to be doing some time spending.

Speaker 4 (55:42):
I'm spending faster getting faster on five k.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
I haven't this whole time I've been training for the
last year plus, i haven't really been doing intentional speed work.
I've been working on an endurance and things like that
and length, yes exactly, and sure I've gotten faster during
that time, but it's it's been as a side product
my fitness just improving. You know, I have had a
lot of speed work. So I'm going to use this
race as a kind of a threshold to see where

(56:06):
I'm at with my five K speed and then use
that to come back to after I do a block
of training of programming to see how much I improved.
A send nice. And that's really what we talk about
a lot, right, is we did a block, we make progress,
and we come back to it later to see how
much progress we made.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Kind of yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
Yeah, especially with my dad saying like I'm going to
do it, like hell.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Yeah right, hell yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Mama and Dad Vanderlard are going to be getting back
in the gym I'm going to start.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
So it's come full circle for me too, because that's
kind of how I got started.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
That's how you started. Yeah, training was with my.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Dad twenty fifteen, and now my mom is wanting to
get involved, you know. And I'm really excited to help
my mom gets stronger. And she might probably even listening
to this podcast. So hi mom. You know, she's a
lot of the times when I post videos about diet
culture and things and struggling, she's like, yeah, I started,
Like yeah, Matt, when you were going up, like listen
to this, Like I definitely these things, you know. So

(57:02):
my mom is a typical person that we're talking to. Really,
she's done things like taking the electrolytes and the BCA's recently.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
And yeah, I remember you telling me that.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
Yeah, like Mom, what are you doing?

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Right?

Speaker 4 (57:12):
So we're going to be probably getting in the gym
like one or two days a week.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
That's oh yeah, her strength training go vandal our family.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
Yeah, she's got drank kid at home that she's yeah
right now, little iris, So she needs to be in
tip top shape, healthy moment, Yeah, chasing her around, right,
So that's that's her motivating factor. Right now is is
my little niece, and that's a good motivating factor.

Speaker 4 (57:35):
You know.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
We want to be selling for our children, for our grandchildren,
to be good role models for them, to be present
for them.

Speaker 4 (57:41):
So I'm super pumped to help my mom get healthy.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
It's exciting. Yeah, sure, it is exciting, yes, but not what.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Do you have coming up? Neurdle anything good?

Speaker 2 (57:51):
I am just in this prep face, Matt. Yeah, So
that's all what I'm all in on. And I'm just
glad to have nothing going on till San Diego. So
I'm gonna be home. I'm gonna be home for the
next few months.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Good.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
Yeah, you need it, you deserve it.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Go for you.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
My office is set up, had two workouts in here already,
so I am excited.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
That's awesome. Have you done a lot of of the
new gym yet?

Speaker 2 (58:17):
Not really, No, I've just been acclimating to it, and
just I've been really busy since I've been back. So
I'm going to start to have some more time off
here and I'll probably start making more videos in the
new little gym area. But I'm probably going to work
out here two times in that Planet Fitness two times
because I do notice and I know this about me

(58:39):
is that I get very sidetracked in my own space.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Yes, that's one of the big reasons why I don't
use my home gym as much.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
So I need to make sure that I get two
days out of here, because I really do my workouts
take too long. It's easy. I started making videos and
then you know, and with the ADHD, it could an
hour can go by and I'm like, oh fuck, I
have a meeting in fifteen minutes and I didn't finish.

(59:08):
See what I'm saying. So I can't do that. I
can't do that. And this happened when I had this
stuff downstairs. But at least I have it here. I
can make I could. It's you know, the.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Question I get a lot as a coach is like,
I've got all this stuff at home. Doesn't matter where
I work out.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
It depends, you know. You got to know yourself, right.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
And I'm like, well, for me personally, I've got to
kick ass home gym in my garage I never use.
If I relied on using that solely for my workouts,
I would be very inconsistent, right, So that's why I
go to the gym. Yeah, accountability and to be consistent,
and also I get motivated by just being around other
people that are fucking working on themselves too. Yeah, I

(59:46):
guess be real here, that's why you surround yourself with
ye build your support.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Talk about isolating myself. If I never let I would
never leave the house. I have to get out of
the house, you especially. Yeah, I will go to the
gym twice a week, no big deal, and then use
this gym twice a week. It's actually perfect because I
got to get grocery shopping done anyway, and that stuff's
all in town because I live in Maine. So I
got to leave after here and go to the grocery

(01:00:12):
store because I didn't go to the gym this morning.
I did it the gym here, but I would have
gotten that done earlier.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Got it. Yeah, Yeah, Sketch twenty two. With working out
at home, you really have to have a really disciplined
so most of the Yeah, it's like maybe you do
a hybrid of both, like you like you just talked about,
you know, so, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
That's right. That's where you have to figure out what's
working for you and not just keep doing something that's
not working. Immediately, I knew within the first week or two.
I was like, okay, I'm already starting to do this,
know thyself. Now you're only going to work out here
two days a week and you're going to work out
at Planet two days a week because you need to focus.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Yeah. Yeah. I was talking with a client on a
call last week and she was getting she's getting ready
to start her strength training plan, and we were talking
about where she's going to work out, and I was
asking her all the equipment and everything she has, and
then she started talking about going to the gym. I
was like, oh yeah, like yeah, we can definitely look
at getting a gym membership too, you know, and then
that'll workouts even more. She's like, well, I have a

(01:01:05):
gym membership, I'm just not using it. It's like, oh okay,
well then yes, let's use the gym membership that we're paying. Yeah,
and then we'll do a hybrid. You can work out
at home once or twice, and then you I'll create
your plan to go to the gym twice.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Yeah, there's always a way. And because that's what the
Planet Fitness model depends on, is you having the membership
but not to.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Go by fact. Also, my Planet Fitness just got a
fucking hack squat Okay, I have been waiting for a
gym around here to get a hack squat machine for
seven arms two. I have a hack squat machine now
in my fucking home gym. Okay, and Planet Fitness now
gets a hack squat machine. I'm pissed. And it's such
a good machine, right, so, oh my god, it's the best.

(01:01:46):
It is the best.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Development like strength, it's it's truly is incredible. It can
look intimidating, for sure. It's very humbling too.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
It is very yeah it is. It's one of my
favorite machines. But also it's brutal.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
I've been enjoying the hack squat machine at Planet Fitness,
and I've also been enjoying the press neutral grip chess.
Oh yeah, nice superine press is. So I've really been
enjoying that because that's that's a piece of newer equipment.

Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
Do they have that at your gym?

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
I heard they just did. Yeah, cool, lots of.

Speaker 4 (01:02:14):
Good equipment, And I guess say, Planet Fitness is a
great gym.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
I do. I do really enjoy.

Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
Plant Fin They're improving, yeah for sure. I've never had
any bad experiences there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Yeah you neither.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Oh yeah, well there's our hour.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Wow, that was a good call.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Yeah, good talk.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
I really quickly and then we can wrap it up.
Abby listens to our podcast. She was talking about the
main It's episode. She really enjoyed the main this episode
because' where she's at right now. She said it was
really helpful while with maintenance because she found that she's
really finding a really good groove with that. But she
said now it's more so like her how our body
has changed with weight loss. So she actually give us
a really good suggestion for a future topic, which is

(01:02:54):
talking about how your body changes after weight loss and
things like that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:58):
So what I was thinking is like, how like you
like recomp shift.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
Yeah, body recomped for sure, But then I think also
after the diet, like the mental side, And because I
think we talked, we've talked about this before about how
you require like an identity shift when you're losing weight
because you can becoming a new person because you're developing
new habits, new behaviors like that. So I think maybe
that'll be a good talk for us in the future too,
something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
Sweet, So thanks for the message out That was that
was great, awesome, Okay, nerdles right, well, we'll see you
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Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Month. Other than that, we just put it out there
about our meet and greet in July and San Diego,
so let us know, send us, send us some feelers.
What you're thinking about being able to come?

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
All right, we'll see you later.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Hi.

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